Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips

From: warthodson--- via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2024 19:11:23 +0000 (UTC)

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30W non-detergent ONLY-no synthetics or expect leaks. Hank
For that to be true, you must have a gap in the seal larger than synthetic =
oil molecule & smaller that the conventional oil molecule.=C2=A0Gary
    On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 01:14:07 PM CDT, Hank Leach via Heal=
eys <[email-masked]> wrote:  =20

 Yes, Harold has the best method! It is important to get some sealer onto t=
he threads-use a Q-tip if necessary but that is where the seal takes place =
or leaks. That hard gasket really does not seal well and oil won't soak int=
o it like as if it was cork. The gasket is just there to give you some sque=
eze movement.=C2=A0Permatex Aircraft is the best for that as it starts out =
liquid but then hardens to each surface. Often the "ears" get distorted fro=
m what Bob described as the chisel/hammer method of tightening and then the=
 plug does not go all the way home. Then you need to get out the file.=C2=
=A0And thank you Harold!!! 30W non-detergent ONLY-no synthetics or expect l=
eaks. Hank
--------------------=20

From: "Harold Manifold" <[email-masked]>=20
To: "Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: September 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM PDT=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips Don,=C2=A0I had a leak in the large OD drai=
n plug plug as well. After several failed attempts with magic sealers to st=
op the leak I discovered the flange on the brass nut had a slight wave. I c=
arefully filed the flange until flat and dressed the OD opening=C2=A0as wel=
l. I applied Permatex Aviation Form-a-Gasket to the fiber washer and the bo=
ttom half of the threads. So far no leaks. I am using 30W non-detergent oil=
, synthetic gear oils will leak more readily=C2=A0than the 30W.=C2=A0Lesson=
 learned is there can't be the slightest gap between the flange and the sea=
t. Try assembling=C2=A0dry without the gasket and see if the nut seats all =
the way around.=C2=A0Harold=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0On Sat, Sep 28, 20=
24 at 8:07=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell via Healeys <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's gotten =
worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully flat-filed t=
he O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to help. But, afte=
r the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried a new gasket and =
a sealer that's worked well for me in other places--Permatex Seal&Lock--and=
 still get some drips. I can't say for sure, since I don't have one of the =
old gaskets, but I think the newer ones offered are thinner around the peri=
meter (not thickness, the width of the 'rim' of the gasket; i.e. OD minus I=
D). That could be part of the problem, plus those fiber washers, used elsew=
here, are always tricky to get a good seal (S.U. went from the fiber gasket=
s to O-rings on their fuel pumps--you don't suppose?). Soaking with a light=
 oil before installing helps; I don't recall if I did that last attempt.=20

I have a 'correct tool' as well, but it's still hard to get a lot of torque=
 on the brass nut in situ. Back in the day, I'd take a drift and a 2-lb ham=
mer to it, but since getting a new plug I'm loathe to do that (but in despe=
ration I might try it). Another alternative would be to forgo the gasket an=
d just use the sealant, which worked well to seal a mis-sized plug on an 'u=
prated' water pump (thanks Steve K.). But, it could be that that sealant ma=
y not work as well on an oily surface (hard to get all oil off the hole as =
it keeps dripping for days).=20

Bob

On 9/28/2024 6:45 AM, Don via Healeys wrote:
Good morning all=20
    Two days ago I installed a new washer on the large brass drain plug on =
the 67 BJ8 . Filled the transmission up . Looked at it in the morning and i=
t had drips on the bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool and trie=
d to tighten it up . Then this morning looked again and there was those dri=
ps. When I installed it the surface didn=E2=80=99t look gouged or anything.=
 So what=E2=80=99s the fix to stop the drips ?  Remove the big brass plug ,=
 get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of gasket sealer on the gasket, =
reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe add two gaskets ?=20
      Thanks as always, Don=20
Sent from my iPhone

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n-left:20px"><strong>30W non-detergent ONLY-</strong>no synthetics or expec=
t leaks. Hank</blockquote><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">For that t=
o be true, you must have a gap in the seal larger than synthetic oil molecu=
le &amp; smaller that the conventional oil molecule.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Gary</div></div><div><br></div>
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                        On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 01:14:07 PM CDT,=
 Hank Leach via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp328d89fcyiv3049956844"><div><div>Yes, Ha=
rold has the best method! It is important to get some sealer onto the threa=
ds-use a Q-tip if necessary but that is where the seal takes place or leaks=
. That hard gasket really does not seal well and oil won't soak into it lik=
e as if it was cork. The gasket is just there to give you some squeeze move=
ment.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Permatex Aircraft is the best for that as it starts out liquid but the=
n hardens to each surface. Often the "ears" get distorted from what Bob des=
cribed as the chisel/hammer method of tightening and then the plug does not=
 go all the way home. Then you need to get out the file.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>And thank you Harold!!! <strong>30W non-detergent ONLY-</strong>no syn=
thetics or expect leaks. Hank</div>
<div id=3D"ydp328d89fcyiv3049956844yqt40493" class=3D"ydp328d89fcyiv3049956=
844yqt5166265488"><div><br clear=3D"none">-------------------- <br clear=3D=
"none"><br clear=3D"none">From: "Harold Manifold" &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
; <br clear=3D"none">To: "Bob Spidell" &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br cle=
ar=3D"none">Cc: &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br clear=3D"none">Sent: Sep=
tember 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM PDT <br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD=
 drips </div>
<div>Don,
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I had a leak in the large OD drain plug plug as well. After several fa=
iled attempts with magic sealers to stop the leak I discovered the flange o=
n the brass nut had a slight wave. I carefully filed the flange until flat =
and dressed the OD opening&nbsp;as well. I applied Permatex Aviation Form-a=
-Gasket to the fiber washer and the bottom half of the threads. So far no l=
eaks. I am using 30W non-detergent oil, synthetic gear oils will leak more =
readily&nbsp;than the 30W.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Lesson learned is there can't be the slightest gap between the flange =
and the seat. Try assembling&nbsp;dry without the gasket and see if the nut=
 seats all the way around.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Harold</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"ydp328d89fcyiv3049956844gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 8=
:07=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell via Healeys &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydp328d89fcyiv3049956844gmail_quote">
<div>I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's go=
tten worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully flat-fi=
led the O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to help. But,=
 after the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried a new gasket=
 and a sealer that's worked well for me in other places--Permatex Seal&amp;=
Lock--and still get some drips. I can't say for sure, since I don't have on=
e of the old gaskets, but I think the newer ones offered are thinner around=
 the perimeter (not thickness, the width of the 'rim' of the gasket; i.e. O=
D minus ID). That could be part of the problem, plus those fiber washers, u=
sed elsewhere, are always tricky to get a good seal (S.U. went from the fib=
er gaskets to O-rings on their fuel pumps--you don't suppose?). Soaking wit=
h a light oil before installing helps; I don't recall if I did that last at=
tempt. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I have a 'correct tool' as wel=
l, but it's still hard to get a lot of torque on the brass nut in situ. Bac=
k in the day, I'd take a drift and a 2-lb hammer to it, but since getting a=
 new plug I'm loathe to do that (but in desperation I might try it). Anothe=
r alternative would be to forgo the gasket and just use the sealant, which =
worked well to seal a mis-sized plug on an 'uprated' water pump (thanks Ste=
ve K.). But, it could be that that sealant may not work as well on an oily =
surface (hard to get all oil off the hole as it keeps dripping for days). <=
br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Bob<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e">
<div>On 9/28/2024 6:45 AM, Don via Healeys wrote:</div>
<blockquote>
<pre>Good morning all=20
    Two days ago I installed a new washer on the large brass drain plug on =
the 67 BJ8 . Filled the transmission up . Looked at it in the morning and i=
t had drips on the bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool and trie=
d to tighten it up . Then this morning looked again and there was those dri=
ps. When I installed it the surface didn=E2=80=99t look gouged or anything.=
 So what=E2=80=99s the fix to stop the drips ?  Remove the big brass plug ,=
 get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of gasket sealer on the gasket, =
reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe add two gaskets ?=20
      Thanks as always, Don=20
Sent from my iPhone

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Use non-hardening Hylomar on the threads and gasket.

=20

John

=E2=80=9962 BT7

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From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of =
warthodson--- via Healeys
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2024 12:11 PM
To: Harold Manifold <[email-masked]>; Bob Spidell =
<[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips

=20

=20

For that to be true, you must have a gap in the seal larger than =
synthetic oil molecule & smaller that the conventional oil molecule.=20

Gary

=20

On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 01:14:07 PM CDT, Hank Leach via =

=20

=20

Yes, Harold has the best method! It is important to get some sealer onto =
the threads-use a Q-tip if necessary but that is where the seal takes =
place or leaks. That hard gasket really does not seal well and oil won't =
soak into it like as if it was cork. The gasket is just there to give =
you some squeeze movement.

=20

Permatex Aircraft is the best for that as it starts out liquid but then =
hardens to each surface. Often the "ears" get distorted from what Bob =
described as the chisel/hammer method of tightening and then the plug =
does not go all the way home. Then you need to get out the file.

=20

And thank you Harold!!! 30W non-detergent ONLY-no synthetics or expect =
leaks. Hank

--------------------=20

Sent: September 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM PDT=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD drips=20

Don,=20

=20

I had a leak in the large OD drain plug plug as well. After several =
failed attempts with magic sealers to stop the leak I discovered the =
flange on the brass nut had a slight wave. I carefully filed the flange =
until flat and dressed the OD opening as well. I applied Permatex =
Aviation Form-a-Gasket to the fiber washer and the bottom half of the =
threads. So far no leaks. I am using 30W non-detergent oil, synthetic =
gear oils will leak more readily than the 30W.

=20

Lesson learned is there can't be the slightest gap between the flange =
and the seat. Try assembling dry without the gasket and see if the nut =
seats all the way around.

=20

Harold

=20

=20

=20

=20

=20

On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 8:07=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell via Healeys =

I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's =
gotten worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully =
flat-filed the O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to =
help. But, after the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried =
a new gasket and a sealer that's worked well for me in other =
places--Permatex Seal&Lock--and still get some drips. I can't say for =
sure, since I don't have one of the old gaskets, but I think the newer =
ones offered are thinner around the perimeter (not thickness, the width =
of the 'rim' of the gasket; i.e. OD minus ID). That could be part of the =
problem, plus those fiber washers, used elsewhere, are always tricky to =
get a good seal (S.U. went from the fiber gaskets to O-rings on their =
fuel pumps--you don't suppose?). Soaking with a light oil before =
installing helps; I don't recall if I did that last attempt.=20

I have a 'correct tool' as well, but it's still hard to get a lot of =
torque on the brass nut in situ. Back in the day, I'd take a drift and a =
2-lb hammer to it, but since getting a new plug I'm loathe to do that =
(but in desperation I might try it). Another alternative would be to =
forgo the gasket and just use the sealant, which worked well to seal a =
mis-sized plug on an 'uprated' water pump (thanks Steve K.). But, it =
could be that that sealant may not work as well on an oily surface (hard =
to get all oil off the hole as it keeps dripping for days).=20

Bob

Good morning all=20
    Two days ago I installed a new washer on the large brass drain plug =
on the 67 BJ8 . Filled the transmission up . Looked at it in the morning =
and it had drips on the bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool =
and tried to tighten it up . Then this morning looked again and there =
was those drips. When I installed it the surface didn=E2=80=99t look =
gouged or anything. So what=E2=80=99s the fix to stop the drips ?  =
Remove the big brass plug , get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of =
gasket sealer on the gasket, reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe =
add two gaskets ?=20
      Thanks as always, Don=20
Sent from my iPhone
=20

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class=3DMsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=9962 =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>warthodson--- =
via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 28, 2024 12:11 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Harold Manifold &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Bob Spidell =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] OD =
drips<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #0F69FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
8.0pt;margin-left:15.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>30W non-detergent =
ONLY-</span></strong><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'>no synthetics or expect leaks. =
Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>For that to be =
true, you must have a gap in the seal larger than synthetic oil molecule =
&amp; smaller that the conventional oil =
molecule.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'>Gary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydp328d89fcyahoo_quoted_7759625268"><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 01:14:07 PM CDT, Hank Leach via =
Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydp328d89fcyiv3049956844><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Yes, Harold has the best method! It is important to get some sealer =
onto the threads-use a Q-tip if necessary but that is where the seal =
takes place or leaks. That hard gasket really does not seal well and oil =
won't soak into it like as if it was cork. The gasket is just there to =
give you some squeeze movement.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Permatex Aircraft is the best for that as it starts out liquid but =
then hardens to each surface. Often the &quot;ears&quot; get distorted =
from what Bob described as the chisel/hammer method of tightening and =
then the plug does not go all the way home. Then you need to get out the =
file.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>And thank you Harold!!! <strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>30W non-detergent =
ONLY-</span></strong>no synthetics or expect leaks. =
Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3Dydp328d89fcyiv3049956844yqt40493><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><br>-------------------- <br><br>From: &quot;Harold Manifold&quot; =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br>To: &quot;Bob Spidell&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br>Cc: &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br>Sent: September 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM PDT <br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =
OD drips <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Don, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I had a leak in the large OD drain plug plug as well. After several =
failed attempts with magic sealers to stop the leak I discovered the =
flange on the brass nut had a slight wave. I carefully filed the flange =
until flat and dressed the OD opening&nbsp;as well. I applied Permatex =
Aviation Form-a-Gasket to the fiber washer and the bottom half of the =
threads. So far no leaks. I am using 30W non-detergent oil, synthetic =
gear oils will leak more readily&nbsp;than the =
30W.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Lesson learned is there can't be the slightest gap between the flange =
and the seat. Try assembling&nbsp;dry without the gasket and see if the =
nut seats all the way around.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Harold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 8:07=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell via Healeys =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's =
gotten worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully =
flat-filed the O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to =
help. But, after the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried =
a new gasket and a sealer that's worked well for me in other =
places--Permatex Seal&amp;Lock--and still get some drips. I can't say =
for sure, since I don't have one of the old gaskets, but I think the =
newer ones offered are thinner around the perimeter (not thickness, the =
width of the 'rim' of the gasket; i.e. OD minus ID). That could be part =
of the problem, plus those fiber washers, used elsewhere, are always =
tricky to get a good seal (S.U. went from the fiber gaskets to O-rings =
on their fuel pumps--you don't suppose?). Soaking with a light oil =
before installing helps; I don't recall if I did that last attempt. =
<br><br>I have a 'correct tool' as well, but it's still hard to get a =
lot of torque on the brass nut in situ. Back in the day, I'd take a =
drift and a 2-lb hammer to it, but since getting a new plug I'm loathe =
to do that (but in desperation I might try it). Another alternative =
would be to forgo the gasket and just use the sealant, which worked well =
to seal a mis-sized plug on an 'uprated' water pump (thanks Steve K.). =
But, it could be that that sealant may not work as well on an oily =
surface (hard to get all oil off the hole as it keeps dripping for =
days). <br><br>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On 9/28/2024 6:45 AM, Don via Healeys =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Good morning all =
<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Two days ago I installed =
a new washer on the large brass drain plug on the 67 BJ8 . Filled the =
transmission up . Looked at it in the morning and it had drips on the =
bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool and tried to tighten it =
up . Then this morning looked again and there was those drips. When I =
installed it the surface didn=E2=80=99t look gouged or anything. So =
what=E2=80=99s the fix to stop the drips ?=C2=A0 Remove the big brass =
plug , get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of gasket sealer on the =
gasket, reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe add two gaskets ? =
<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Thanks as =
always, Don <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre></blockquote></div>=
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I=E2=80=99ve got a MkII BT7 so had the big flat monstrosity on my car. =
I=E2=80=99ve seldom met something so ill-suited to its role or =
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I attach something I cobbled together some years back. You can forget =
most of the article if you just consider the bit about using a length of =
hardwood instead of, say, a screwdriver to beat upon. And give a thought =
to swapping to the earlier plug as fitted to the 100/4s. 30mm socket and =
you=E2=80=99re away=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.

Simon

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Cc: [email-masked]
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I=E2=80=99ve got a MkII BT7 so =
had the big flat monstrosity on my car. I=E2=80=99ve seldom met =
something so ill-suited to its role or environment. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I attach something I cobbled =
together some years back. You can forget most of the article if you just =
consider the bit about using a length of hardwood instead of, say, a =
screwdriver to beat upon. And give a thought to swapping to the earlier =
plug as fitted to the 100/4s. 30mm socket and you=E2=80=99re =
away=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
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0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>JSARCH via =
Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> 28 September 2024 22:02<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]; 'Harold Manifold' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Bob =
Spidell' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] OD =
drips<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Use non-hardening Hylomar on the threads and =
gasket.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>=E2=80=9962 BT7<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>warthodson--- via =
Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 28, 2024 12:11 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Harold Manifold &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Bob =
Spidell &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Cc:</b>=
 <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Healeys] OD drips<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #0F69FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
8.0pt;margin-left:15.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><strong><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>30W non-detergent =
ONLY-</span></strong><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>no synthetics or =
expect leaks. Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>For that to be =
true, you must have a gap in the seal larger than synthetic oil molecule =
&amp; smaller that the conventional oil =
molecule.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>Gary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydp328d89fcyahoo_quoted_7759625268"><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 01:14:07 PM CDT, Hank Leach via =
Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydp328d89fcyiv3049956844><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Yes, Harold has the best method! It is important to get some sealer =
onto the threads-use a Q-tip if necessary but that is where the seal =
takes place or leaks. That hard gasket really does not seal well and oil =
won't soak into it like as if it was cork. The gasket is just there to =
give you some squeeze movement.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Permatex Aircraft is the best for that as it starts out liquid but =
then hardens to each surface. Often the &quot;ears&quot; get distorted =
from what Bob described as the chisel/hammer method of tightening and =
then the plug does not go all the way home. Then you need to get out the =
file.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>And thank you Harold!!! <strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>30W non-detergent =
ONLY-</span></strong>no synthetics or expect leaks. =
Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3Dydp328d89fcyiv3049956844yqt40493><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><br>-------------------- <br><br>From: &quot;Harold Manifold&quot; =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br>To: &quot;Bob Spidell&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br>Cc: &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br>Sent: September 28, 2024 at 9:31 AM PDT <br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =
OD drips <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Don, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I had a leak in the large OD drain plug plug as well. After several =
failed attempts with magic sealers to stop the leak I discovered the =
flange on the brass nut had a slight wave. I carefully filed the flange =
until flat and dressed the OD opening&nbsp;as well. I applied Permatex =
Aviation Form-a-Gasket to the fiber washer and the bottom half of the =
threads. So far no leaks. I am using 30W non-detergent oil, synthetic =
gear oils will leak more readily&nbsp;than the =
30W.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Lesson learned is there can't be the slightest gap between the flange =
and the seat. Try assembling&nbsp;dry without the gasket and see if the =
nut seats all the way around.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Harold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 8:07=E2=80=AFAM Bob Spidell via Healeys =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I'm having the same problem Don (well, I've always had it, but it's =
gotten worse). Years ago, when I had the gearbox/OD out I'd carefully =
flat-filed the O/D, as there was some roughness to it, and it seemed to =
help. But, after the latest intervention the dripping increased. I tried =
a new gasket and a sealer that's worked well for me in other =
places--Permatex Seal&amp;Lock--and still get some drips. I can't say =
for sure, since I don't have one of the old gaskets, but I think the =
newer ones offered are thinner around the perimeter (not thickness, the =
width of the 'rim' of the gasket; i.e. OD minus ID). That could be part =
of the problem, plus those fiber washers, used elsewhere, are always =
tricky to get a good seal (S.U. went from the fiber gaskets to O-rings =
on their fuel pumps--you don't suppose?). Soaking with a light oil =
before installing helps; I don't recall if I did that last attempt. =
<br><br>I have a 'correct tool' as well, but it's still hard to get a =
lot of torque on the brass nut in situ. Back in the day, I'd take a =
drift and a 2-lb hammer to it, but since getting a new plug I'm loathe =
to do that (but in desperation I might try it). Another alternative =
would be to forgo the gasket and just use the sealant, which worked well =
to seal a mis-sized plug on an 'uprated' water pump (thanks Steve K.). =
But, it could be that that sealant may not work as well on an oily =
surface (hard to get all oil off the hole as it keeps dripping for =
days). <br><br>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On 9/28/2024 6:45 AM, Don via Healeys =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Good morning all =
<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Two days ago I installed =
a new washer on the large brass drain plug on the 67 BJ8 . Filled the =
transmission up . Looked at it in the morning and it had drips on the =
bottom of the plug . So I used the correct tool and tried to tighten it =
up . Then this morning looked again and there was those drips. When I =
installed it the surface didn=E2=80=99t look gouged or anything. So =
what=E2=80=99s the fix to stop the drips ?&nbsp; Remove the big brass =
plug , get a new gasket for it , apply some kind of gasket sealer on the =
gasket, reinstall it and tighten as needed? Maybe add two gaskets ? =
<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks as =
always, Don <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre></blockquote></div>=
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