Subject: Re: [Healeys] gas/alcohol

From: Richard Collins <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:03:51 +0000

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From: Engl <[email-masked]>
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I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol) already, bu=
t that=E2=80=99s maybe not the case yet.  I found a Shell station in Saskato=
on that had a =E2=80=9Ccontains alcohol=E2=80=9D on silver and bronze at the=
 pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and it was th=
e same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, but the signs use=
d to say =E2=80=9C contains no alcohol=E2=80=9D on premium.=20

A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said =E2=80=9C ma=
y contain alcohol=E2=80=9D, so dunno.=20

Didn=E2=80=99t there used to be an app??

Bob England

> On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56=E2=80=AFAM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys <hea=
[email-masked]> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BF A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running=
 my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in all=
 grades of gas.
> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with t=
his?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I thought that all our gas had to have the c=
orn filler (alcohol) already, but that=E2=80=99s maybe not the case yet. &nb=
sp;I found a Shell station in Saskatoon that had a =E2=80=9Ccontains alcohol=
=E2=80=9D on silver and bronze at the pump, but no label on their premium ga=
s - checked other pumps and it was the same I was hoping their premium did n=
ot contain alcohol, but the signs used to say =E2=80=9C contains no alcohol=E2=
=80=9D on premium.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>A Shell in Regina had just a gen=
eral note on the pump that said =E2=80=9C may contain alcohol=E2=80=9D, so d=
unno.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Didn=E2=80=99t there used to be an app?=
?<br><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob England</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56=E2=80=AFAM, carl and g=
erry rubino via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></block=
quote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6 on=
 93 gas with no alcohol.<div>In its infinite wisdom our government is going t=
o legislate alcohol in all grades of gas.</div><div>Other than stealing gas f=
rom an airport any recommendations to deal with this?</div><span>___________=
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From: HealeyRick <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:19:07 -0400

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Here's the app: https://www.pure-gas.org/

HealeyRick

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 12:05=E2=80=AFPM Engl <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol) already,
> but that=E2=80=99s maybe not the case yet.  I found a Shell station in Sa=
skatoon
> that had a =E2=80=9Ccontains alcohol=E2=80=9D on silver and bronze at the=
 pump, but no
> label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and it was the same I wa=
s
> hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, but the signs used to say =
=E2=80=9C
> contains no alcohol=E2=80=9D on premium.
>
> A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said =E2=80=9C=
 may
> contain alcohol=E2=80=9D, so dunno.
>
> On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56=E2=80=AFAM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been runnin=
g my
> 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in al=
l
> grades of gas.
> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with
> this?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Here&#39;s the app: <a href=3D"https://www.pure-gas.org/">=
https://www.pure-gas.org/</a><br><div><br></div><div>HealeyRick</div></div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon=
, Sep 2, 2024 at 12:05=E2=80=AFPM Engl &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscom=
m.ca">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I thought that all our gas had to=
 have the corn filler (alcohol) already, but that=E2=80=99s maybe not the c=
ase yet.=C2=A0 I found a Shell station in Saskatoon that had a =E2=80=9Ccon=
tains alcohol=E2=80=9D on silver and bronze at the pump, but no label on th=
eir premium gas - checked other pumps and it was the same I was hoping thei=
r premium did not contain alcohol, but the signs used to say =E2=80=9C cont=
ains no alcohol=E2=80=9D on premium.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>A Shell in Re=
gina had just a general note on the pump that said =E2=80=9C may contain al=
cohol=E2=80=9D, so dunno.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Didn=E2=80=99t the=
re used to be an app??<br><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob England<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56=
=E2=80=AFAM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healey=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF

A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6 o=
n 93 gas with no alcohol.<div>In its infinite wisdom our government is goin=
g to legislate alcohol in all grades of gas.</div><div>Other than stealing =
gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with this?</div><span>_____=
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From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 09:40:03 -0700

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Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars 
longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to 
buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the octane 
was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured before and 
after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 10% ethanol; 
standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).

I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, and 
there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on starting 
when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line that had 
been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it being a little 
stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I put a new 
carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also no visible 
degradation. Rubber components sold since the introduction of gasahol 
are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically, due to its oxygen content 
gasahol could cause an engine to run a little lean, and at least one 
knowledgeable person recommends changing to rich carb needles, but both 
my cars have long since been tuned to run on it with std. needles. The 
BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M 
and has the 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys 
will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on the cam 
and timing.

Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes I 
would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to be 
enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 'road 
tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't breathe any 
of it and don't let it get on your skin).

* not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and cavitates 
the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some stumbling for a mile 
or so.

Bob

On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys wrote:
> A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 
> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in 
> all grades of gas.
> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal 
> with this?
>
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    Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars
    longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able
    to buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the
    octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured
    before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it
    was 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).<br>
    <br>
    I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol,
    and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on
    starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line
    that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it
    being a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years
    ago I put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also
    no visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the
    introduction of gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically,
    due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an engine to run a
    little lean, and at least one knowledgeable person recommends
    changing to rich carb needles, but both my cars have long since been
    tuned to run on it with std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to
    standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M and has the
    'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys will run
    fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on the cam and
    timing. <br>
    <br>
    Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes
    I would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely
    to be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would
    owe 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't
    breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin). <br>
    <br>
    * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and
    cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some
    stumbling for a mile or so.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry
      rubino via Healeys wrote:<br>
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      A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running
      my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
      <div>In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate
        alcohol in all grades of gas.</div>
      <div>Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations
        to deal with this?</div>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
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From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:22:50 -0700

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I'm a (sort of) farmer living in a farm area; farm equipment is almost 
exclusively run on diesel. Most have (gov't size-limited) 500g tanks and 
have diesel delivered from the nearest distributor; any gasoline needed 
is bought at the pump. We used to have a 500g above-ground gas tank for 
our cars and old Ford tractors, but the regs got so onerous we got rid 
of it.

Anybody thinks we can farm on batteries is delusional.

On 9/2/2024 8:03 AM, Richard Collins wrote:
> Maybe Marinas ? Or Farm areas where tractors fuel ?
> Regards,
> Richard C
>
>
>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 09:54, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys 
>> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol 
>> in all grades of gas.
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    I'm a (sort of) farmer living in a farm area; farm equipment is
    almost exclusively run on diesel. Most have (gov't size-limited)
    500g tanks and have diesel delivered from the nearest distributor;
    any gasoline needed is bought at the pump. We used to have a 500g
    above-ground gas tank for our cars and old Ford tractors, but the
    regs got so onerous we got rid of it.<br>
    <br>
    Anybody thinks we can farm on batteries is delusional. <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/2/2024 8:03 AM, Richard Collins
      wrote:<br>
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      Maybe Marinas ? Or Farm areas where tractors fuel ?<br
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      <div dir="ltr">Regards,
        <div>Richard C</div>
        <div><br>
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        <blockquote type="cite">On Sep 2, 2024, at 09:54, carl and gerry
          rubino via Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
          <br>
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          message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running
          my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
          <div>In its infinite wisdom our government is going to
            legislate alcohol in all grades of gas.</div>
          <div>Other than stealing gas from an airport any
            recommendations to deal with this?</div>
          <br>
        </div>
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From: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:28:40 +0200

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Bob is absolutely right. Very little if any ill effects from E10. I have 
been driving E5/E10/E15 for decades without any problems, no rust in 
tank, no degenerating of rubber hoses or diaphragms. These rubber parts 
always have/had to be replaced periodically anyway, just the normal 
maintenance.
At some point I even tanked E85 (full tank) by mistake and the car 
(although a relative modern Subaru Forester 2006) took it in its stride 
without any ill effects. It ran fine, although a bit underpowered. As 
the ethanol has good cleaning properties the car even ran better 
afterwards on the usual E10.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 2-9-2024 om 18:40 schreef Bob Spidell via Healeys:
> buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the 
> before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 
> 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).
>
> that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it being 
> a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I 
> put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also no 
> visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the introduction of 
> gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically, due to its oxygen 
> content gasahol could cause an engine to run a little lean, and at 
> least one knowledgeable person recommends changing to rich carb 
> needles, but both my cars have long since been tuned to run on it with 
> std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, 
> the BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've 
> been told Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, 
> depending on the cam and timing.
>
> would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to 
> be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 
> 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't 
> breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin).
>
> stumbling for a mile or so.
>
> Bob
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    <p>Bob is absolutely right. Very little if any ill effects from E10.
      I have been driving E5/E10/E15 for decades without any problems,
      no rust in tank, no degenerating of rubber hoses or diaphragms.
      These rubber parts always have/had to be replaced periodically
      anyway, just the normal maintenance.<br>
      At some point I even tanked E85 (full tank) by mistake and the car
      (although a relative modern Subaru Forester 2006) took it in its
      stride without any ill effects. It ran fine, although a bit
      underpowered. As the ethanol has good cleaning properties the car
      even ran better afterwards on the usual E10.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 2-9-2024 om 18:40 schreef Bob
      Spidell via Healeys:<br>
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      Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars
      longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able
      to buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what:
      the octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and
      measured before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I
      figured it was 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be
      about 8%).<br>
      <br>
      I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane
      gasahol, and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor
      lock*' on starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to
      carburettor flex line that had been on the car for a couple
      decades and, except for it being a little stiff there was no
      visible degradation. About 8 years ago I put a new carb jet in
      pure/denatured ethanol and there is also no visible degradation.
      Rubber components sold since the introduction of gasahol are
      impervious to the stuff. Theoretically, due to its oxygen content
      gasahol could cause an engine to run a little lean, and at least
      one knowledgeable person recommends changing to rich carb needles,
      but both my cars have long since been tuned to run on it with std.
      needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 compression ratio,
      the BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons.
      I've been told Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1
      compression, depending on the cam and timing. <br>
      <br>
      Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned
      airplanes I would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers
      aren't likely to be enthusiastic about selling it to you.
      Technically, you would owe 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of
      TEL and highly toxic (don't breathe any of it and don't let it get
      on your skin). <br>
      <br>
      * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and
      cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some
      stumbling for a mile or so.<br>
      <br>
      Bob<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry
        rubino via Healeys wrote:<br>
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        A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running
        my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
        <div>In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate
          alcohol in all grades of gas.</div>
        <div>Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations
          to deal with this?</div>
        <br>
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Guys, first, its ethanol that is being added, not alcohol.  I am no chemist,=
 but I am sure they are different.  Here in Ontario, Shell did not add ethan=
ol to their premium up to last October, now they do and I imagine that is na=
tion-wide.  They "got away" with this because of the way the ethanol content=
 is, or at least was, measured.  I understand (i.e., not 100% positive) it w=
as an average across total sales.  So they could add a bit more in regular g=
rades and not add it to premium.  It was something like that anyhow.  It was=
 a corporate decision to start adding it to premium, not a change in governm=
ent mandate.  It is a real mess in my opinion as the ethanol can in time, wi=
th the addition of moisture in the storage tank (e.g., condensation) separat=
e from the gas.  Its called "phase separation" (google it).  The ethanol can=
 combine with the water molecules and being heavier sinks to the bottom of t=
he storage tank, where of course the pump pick-up is located.  So although t=
he tanker may put fuel in which has only up to 10% ethanol, what comes out t=
he nozzle could be different.  That all said, I have not noticed any problem=
 with my BT7.  I think the most you would have to do is adjust your timing a=
s the ethanol has a slower burn rate than gas.  It is a totally different is=
sue with my air-cooled classic bikes.  The gas in those helps (minimally) wi=
th cooling and we generally run them a little richer than optimum.  But it r=
eally creates timing issues when you have a high dome piston and the plug to=
 one side - its a relatively long way over the dome and the slower burn rate=
 creates timing issues.  BTW, I've been told that avgas has a different form=
ula and is not necessary a good alternative, and is certainly inconvenient. =
 Some speed shops cell good gas, but again, super inconvenient, and as I not=
ed, I don't think it is an issue with a Healey.  There are several apps that=
 tell you the nearest ethanol free gas - just google it.  There are also add=
itives that claim to neutralize the ethanol.  I'll be experimenting with the=
se in the bikes.

Sent from my alternative

> On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Engl <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol) a=
lready, but that=E2=80=99s maybe not the case yet.  I found a Shell station i=
n Saskatoon that had a =E2=80=9Ccontains alcohol=E2=80=9D on silver and bron=
ze at the pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and i=
t was the same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, but the s=
igns used to say =E2=80=9C contains no alcohol=E2=80=9D on premium.=20
>=20
> A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said =E2=80=9C m=
ay contain alcohol=E2=80=9D, so dunno.=20
>>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56=E2=80=AFAM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys <h=
>> =EF=BB=BF A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been runnin=
g my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in al=
l grades of gas.
his?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Guys, first, its ethanol that is being adde=
d, not alcohol. &nbsp;I am no chemist, but I am sure they are different. &nb=
sp;Here in Ontario, Shell did not add ethanol to their premium up to last Oc=
tober, now they do and I imagine that is nation-wide. &nbsp;They "got away" w=
ith this because of the way the ethanol content is, or at least was, measure=
d. &nbsp;I understand (i.e., not 100% positive) it was an average across tot=
al sales. &nbsp;So they could add a bit more in regular grades and not add i=
t to premium. &nbsp;It was something like that anyhow. &nbsp;It was a corpor=
ate decision to start adding it to premium, not a change in government manda=
te. &nbsp;It is a real mess in my opinion as the ethanol can in time, with t=
he addition of moisture in the storage tank (e.g., condensation) separate fr=
om the gas. &nbsp;Its called "phase separation" (google it). &nbsp;The ethan=
ol can combine with the water molecules and being heavier sinks to the botto=
m of the storage tank, where of course the pump pick-up is located. &nbsp;So=
 although the tanker may put fuel in which has only up to 10% ethanol, what c=
omes out the nozzle could be different. &nbsp;That all said, I have not noti=
ced any problem with my BT7. &nbsp;I think the most you would have to do is a=
djust your timing as the ethanol has a slower burn rate than gas. &nbsp;It i=
s a totally different issue with my air-cooled classic bikes. &nbsp;The gas i=
n those helps (minimally) with cooling and we generally run them a little ri=
cher than optimum. &nbsp;But it really creates timing issues when you have a=
 high dome piston and the plug to one side - its a relatively long way over t=
he dome and the slower burn rate creates timing issues. &nbsp;BTW, I've been=
 told that avgas has a different formula and is not necessary a good alterna=
tive, and is certainly inconvenient. &nbsp;Some speed shops cell good gas, b=
ut again, super inconvenient, and as I noted, I don't think it is an issue w=
ith a Healey. &nbsp;There are several apps that tell you the nearest ethanol=
 free gas - just google it. &nbsp;There are also additives that claim to neu=
tralize the ethanol. &nbsp;I'll be experimenting with these in the bikes.<br=
><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my alternative</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Engl &lt;engl@accesscomm=
.ca&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; chars=
et=3Dutf-8">I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol)=
 already, but that=E2=80=99s maybe not the case yet. &nbsp;I found a Shell s=
tation in Saskatoon that had a =E2=80=9Ccontains alcohol=E2=80=9D on silver a=
nd bronze at the pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pum=
ps and it was the same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, b=
ut the signs used to say =E2=80=9C contains no alcohol=E2=80=9D on premium.&=
nbsp;<div><br></div><div>A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pu=
mp that said =E2=80=9C may contain alcohol=E2=80=9D, so dunno.&nbsp;</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Didn=E2=80=99t there used to be an app??<br><div><br></div=
><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob England</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite">On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56=E2=80=AFAM, carl and gerry rubino via Hea=
leys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6 on=
 93 gas with no alcohol.<div>In its infinite wisdom our government is going t=
o legislate alcohol in all grades of gas.</div><div>Other than stealing gas f=
rom an airport any recommendations to deal with this?</div><span>___________=
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*Check out the gas stations near the local dirt track, one or more of 
them is bound to be selling alcohol free fuel (100+ Oct or Av Gas at 
some of them).*

*Alcohol fuel has been the rule here in NY, it seems like forever now, 
but Alcohol Free has always been available if you know where to look.*

*https://www.pure-gas.org/*

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        more of them is bound to be selling alcohol free fuel (100+ Oct
        or Av Gas at some of them).</b></p>
    <p><b>Alcohol fuel has been the rule here in NY, it seems like
        forever now, but Alcohol Free has always been available if you
        know where to look.</b></p>
    <p><b><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.pure-gas.org/">https://www.pure-gas.org/</a></b></p>
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Wonder whether today=E2=80=99s ethanol fuel contributes to the run-on (dies=
eling) many Healey owners experience. If you=E2=80=99re lucky (and have set=
 carbs and timing correctly), you can solve the problem by flooring=C2=A0th=
e gas pedal after turning off the ignition and inundate the cylinders with =
air, especially on a BJ8 with its larger HD8 SUs. Otherwise, as on my BN7, =
you must stall the engine by lifting the clutch pedal in fourth to keep it =
from running on. Am trying Techron combustion chamber/fuel system cleaner o=
n the chance removing built up deposits will do the trick, but we will see =
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 Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars longer =
than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to buy higher-o=
ctane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the octane was boosted wi=
th ethanol (added water to some and measured before and after; don't recall=
 the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 10% ethanol; standard from the pum=
p seems to be about 8%).
=20
 I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, and th=
ere have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on starting when =
hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line that had been on the=
 car for a couple decades and, except for it being a little stiff there was=
 no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I put a new carb jet in pure/den=
atured ethanol and there is also no visible degradation. Rubber components =
sold since the introduction of gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoret=
ically, due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an engine to run a li=
ttle lean, and at least one knowledgeable person recommends changing to ric=
h carb needles, but both my cars have long since been tuned to run on it wi=
th std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, t=
he BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've been to=
ld Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on t=
he cam and timing.=20
=20
 Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes I woul=
d occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to be enthusi=
astic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 'road tax,' and t=
he stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't breathe any of it and don't=
 let it get on your skin).=20
=20
 * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and cavitates th=
e fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some stumbling for a mile or s=
o.
=20
 Bob
=20
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Wonder whether today=E2=80=99s ethanol fuel contributes to the run-on (dies=
eling) many Healey owners experience. If you=E2=80=99re lucky (and have set=
 carbs and timing correctly), you can solve the problem by flooring&nbsp;th=
e gas pedal after turning off the ignition and inundate the cylinders with =
air, especially on a BJ8 with its larger HD8 SUs. Otherwise, as on my BN7, =
you must stall the engine by lifting the clutch pedal in fourth to keep it =
from running on. Am trying Techron combustion chamber/fuel system cleaner o=
n the chance removing built up deposits will do the trick, but we will see =
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    Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars
    longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able
    to buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the
    octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured
    before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it
    was 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).<br clear=
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    I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol,
    and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on
    starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line
    that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it
    being a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years
    ago I put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also
    no visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the
    introduction of gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically,
    due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an engine to run a
    little lean, and at least one knowledgeable person recommends
    changing to rich carb needles, but both my cars have long since been
    tuned to run on it with std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to
    standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M and has the
    'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys will run
    fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on the cam and
    timing. <br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes
    I would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely
    to be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would
    owe 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't
    breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin). <br clear=3D"none=
">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and
    cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some
    stumbling for a mile or so.<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    Bob<br clear=3D"none">
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erry
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      A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running
      my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
      <div>In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate
        alcohol in all grades of gas.</div>
      <div>Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations
        to deal with this?</div>
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There's methanol (wood), ethanol (booze) and isopropyl (rubbing). All 
are alcohols; methanol and ethanol are suitable ICE fuels.

It's a large group of chemicals:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_(chemistry)

On 9/2/2024 10:56 AM, Mirek Sharp wrote:
> Guys, first, its ethanol that is being added, not alcohol.  I am no 
> chemist, but I am sure they are different.  Here in Ontario, Shell did 
> not add ethanol to their premium up to last October, now they do and I 
> imagine that is nation-wide.  They "got away" with this because of the 
> way the ethanol content is, or at least was, measured.  I understand 
> (i.e., not 100% positive) it was an average across total sales.  So 
> they could add a bit more in regular grades and not add it to premium. 
>  It was something like that anyhow.  It was a corporate decision to 
> start adding it to premium, not a change in government mandate.  It is 
> a real mess in my opinion as the ethanol can in time, with the 
> addition of moisture in the storage tank (e.g., condensation) separate 
> from the gas.  Its called "phase separation" (google it).  The ethanol 
> can combine with the water molecules and being heavier sinks to the 
> bottom of the storage tank, where of course the pump pick-up is 
> located.  So although the tanker may put fuel in which has only up to 
> 10% ethanol, what comes out the nozzle could be different.  That all 
> said, I have not noticed any problem with my BT7.  I think the most 
> you would have to do is adjust your timing as the ethanol has a slower 
> burn rate than gas.  It is a totally different issue with my 
> air-cooled classic bikes.  The gas in those helps (minimally) with 
> cooling and we generally run them a little richer than optimum.  But 
> it really creates timing issues when you have a high dome piston and 
> the plug to one side - its a relatively long way over the dome and the 
> slower burn rate creates timing issues.  BTW, I've been told that 
> avgas has a different formula and is not necessary a good alternative, 
> and is certainly inconvenient.  Some speed shops cell good gas, but 
> again, super inconvenient, and as I noted, I don't think it is an 
> issue with a Healey.  There are several apps that tell you the nearest 
> ethanol free gas - just google it.  There are also additives that 
> claim to neutralize the ethanol.  I'll be experimenting with these in 
> the bikes.
>
> Sent from my alternative
>
>>  I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol) 
>> already, but that’s maybe not the case yet.  I found a Shell station 
>> in Saskatoon that had a “contains alcohol” on silver and bronze at 
>> the pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and 
>> it was the same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, 
>> but the signs used to say “ contains no alcohol” on premium.
>>
>> A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said “ may 
>> contain alcohol”, so dunno.
>>
>> Didn’t there used to be an app??
>>
>> Bob England
>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys 
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
>>
>
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    There's methanol (wood), ethanol (booze) and isopropyl (rubbing).
    All are alcohols; methanol and ethanol are suitable ICE fuels. <br>
    <br>
    It's a large group of chemicals:<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_(chemistry)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_(chemistry)</a><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/2/2024 10:56 AM, Mirek Sharp
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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      Guys, first, its ethanol that is being added, not alcohol.  I am
      no chemist, but I am sure they are different.  Here in Ontario,
      Shell did not add ethanol to their premium up to last October, now
      they do and I imagine that is nation-wide.  They "got away" with
      this because of the way the ethanol content is, or at least was,
      measured.  I understand (i.e., not 100% positive) it was an
      average across total sales.  So they could add a bit more in
      regular grades and not add it to premium.  It was something like
      that anyhow.  It was a corporate decision to start adding it to
      premium, not a change in government mandate.  It is a real mess in
      my opinion as the ethanol can in time, with the addition of
      moisture in the storage tank (e.g., condensation) separate from
      the gas.  Its called "phase separation" (google it).  The ethanol
      can combine with the water molecules and being heavier sinks to
      the bottom of the storage tank, where of course the pump pick-up
      is located.  So although the tanker may put fuel in which has only
      up to 10% ethanol, what comes out the nozzle could be different.
       That all said, I have not noticed any problem with my BT7.  I
      think the most you would have to do is adjust your timing as the
      ethanol has a slower burn rate than gas.  It is a totally
      different issue with my air-cooled classic bikes.  The gas in
      those helps (minimally) with cooling and we generally run them a
      little richer than optimum.  But it really creates timing issues
      when you have a high dome piston and the plug to one side - its a
      relatively long way over the dome and the slower burn rate creates
      timing issues.  BTW, I've been told that avgas has a different
      formula and is not necessary a good alternative, and is certainly
      inconvenient.  Some speed shops cell good gas, but again, super
      inconvenient, and as I noted, I don't think it is an issue with a
      Healey.  There are several apps that tell you the nearest ethanol
      free gas - just google it.  There are also additives that claim to
      neutralize the ethanol.  I'll be experimenting with these in the
      bikes.<br>
      <br>
      <div dir="ltr">Sent from my alternative</div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
        <blockquote type="cite">On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Engl
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
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          I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler
          (alcohol) already, but that’s maybe not the case yet.  I found
          a Shell station in Saskatoon that had a “contains alcohol” on
          silver and bronze at the pump, but no label on their premium
          gas - checked other pumps and it was the same I was hoping
          their premium did not contain alcohol, but the signs used to
          say “ contains no alcohol” on premium. 
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump
            that said “ may contain alcohol”, so dunno. </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Didn’t there used to be an app??<br>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>
              <div dir="ltr">Bob England</div>
              <div dir="ltr"><br>
                <blockquote type="cite">On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56 AM, carl
                  and gerry rubino via Healeys
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                  A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have
                  been running my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
                  <div>In its infinite wisdom our government is going to
                    legislate alcohol in all grades of gas.</div>
                  <div>Other than stealing gas from an airport any
                    recommendations to deal with this?</div>
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Running on may be the result of several different factors including
incorrect timing, carbon in the combustion chamber and high engine
temperature.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 4:34=E2=80=AFPM Robert Markovich via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Wonder whether today=E2=80=99s ethanol fuel contributes to the run-on (di=
eseling)
> many Healey owners experience. If you=E2=80=99re lucky (and have set carb=
s and
> timing correctly), you can solve the problem by flooring the gas pedal
> after turning off the ignition and inundate the cylinders with air,
> especially on a BJ8 with its larger HD8 SUs. Otherwise, as on my BN7, you
> must stall the engine by lifting the clutch pedal in fourth to keep it fr=
om
> running on. Am trying Techron combustion chamber/fuel system cleaner on t=
he
> chance removing built up deposits will do the trick, but we will see =E2=
=80=A6
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661>
>
> On Monday, September 2, 2024, 1:01 PM, Bob Spidell via Healeys <
> Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars longer
> than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to buy
> higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the octane was
> boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured before and after;
> don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 10% ethanol; standar=
d
> from the pump seems to be about 8%).
>
> when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line that had been
> on the car for a couple decades and, except for it being a little stiff
> there was no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I put a new carb jet =
in
> pure/denatured ethanol and there is also no visible degradation. Rubber
> components sold since the introduction of gasahol are impervious to the
> stuff. Theoretically, due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an
> engine to run a little lean, and at least one knowledgeable person
> recommends changing to rich carb needles, but both my cars have long sinc=
e
> been tuned to run on it with std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standar=
d
> 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression'
> 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 11:=
1
> compression, depending on the cam and timing.
>
> tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't breathe any of
> it and don't let it get on your skin).
>
> the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some stumbling for a mile =
or
> so.
> A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6
> on 93 gas with no alcohol.
l
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Runni=
ng on may be the result of several different factors including incorrect ti=
ming, carbon in the combustion chamber and high engine temperature.</div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 4:34=E2=80=AFPM Robert Markovich via Healeys &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
Wonder whether today=E2=80=99s ethanol fuel contributes to the run-on (dies=
eling) many Healey owners experience. If you=E2=80=99re lucky (and have set=
 carbs and timing correctly), you can solve the problem by flooring=C2=A0th=
e gas pedal after turning off the ignition and inundate the cylinders with =
air, especially on a BJ8 with its larger HD8 SUs. Otherwise, as on my BN7, =
you must stall the engine by lifting the clutch pedal in fourth to keep it =
from running on. Am trying Techron combustion chamber/fuel system cleaner o=
n the chance removing built up deposits will do the trick, but we will see =
=E2=80=A6<br><br><br><div><a style=3D"font-size:12px" href=3D"https://apps.=
apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661" target=3D"_blank=
">Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS</a><br></div><br><p style=3D"font-s=
ize:15px;color:rgb(132,115,255);padding-top:15px;margin-top:0px">On Monday,=
 September 2, 2024, 1:01 PM, Bob Spidell via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:</p><blockquote><div id=3D"m_6777466826901163723yiv8790107236"><div>
    Living in California, I have been running &#39;gasahol&#39; in all my c=
ars
    longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able
    to buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the
    octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured
    before and after; don&#39;t recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it
    was 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).<br clear=
=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol,
    and there have been no negative effects save some &#39;vapor lock*&#39;=
 on
    starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line
    that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it
    being a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years
    ago I put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also
    no visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the
    introduction of gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically,
    due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an engine to run a
    little lean, and at least one knowledgeable person recommends
    changing to rich carb needles, but both my cars have long since been
    tuned to run on it with std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to
    standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M and has the
    &#39;high compression&#39; 8.7:1 pistons. I&#39;ve been told Healeys wi=
ll run
    fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on the cam and
    timing. <br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    Good luck trying to &#39;steal&#39; from an airport--when I owned airpl=
anes
    I would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren&#39;t likely
    to be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would
    owe &#39;road tax,&#39; and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (=
don&#39;t
    breathe any of it and don&#39;t let it get on your skin). <br clear=3D"=
none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    * not technically &#39;vapor lock,&#39; but the alcohol vaporizes and
    cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some
    stumbling for a mile or so.<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    Bob<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div id=3D"m_6777466826901163723yiv8790107236yqt69298"><div>On 9/2/2024=
 7:45 AM, carl and gerry
      rubino via Healeys wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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      A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running
      my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
      <div>In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate
        alcohol in all grades of gas.</div>
      <div>Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations
        to deal with this?</div>
      <br clear=3D"none">
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Thank you. Engine runs cool and timing and carburetor mixture are spot on. =
That leaves carbon as the likely culprit tho I may try cooler plugs as well=
 =E2=80=A6

On Monday, September 2, 2024, 8:25 PM, Michael Oritt <[email-masked]=
om> wrote:

Running on may be the result of several different factors including incorre=
ct timing, carbon in the combustion chamber and high engine temperature.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 4:34=E2=80=AFPM Robert Markovich via Healeys <healey=
[email-masked]> wrote:

 A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6 =
on 93 gas with no alcohol. In its infinite wisdom our government is going t=
o legislate alcohol in all grades of gas. Other than stealing gas from an a=
irport any recommendations to deal with this?=20

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Thank you. Engine runs cool and timing and carburetor mixture are spot on. =
That leaves carbon as the likely culprit tho I may try cooler plugs as well=
 =E2=80=A6<br><br><br><div class=3D"yahoo-signature"><a style=3D"font-size:=
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=3D"color:#3333ff;" class=3D"yiv0857949366gmail_default">Running on may be =
the result of several different factors including incorrect timing, carbon =
in the combustion chamber and high engine temperature.</div></div><br clear=
=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv0857949366gmail_quote"><div id=3D"yiv0857949366y=
qt84453" class=3D"yiv0857949366yqt8389481143"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"yiv=
0857949366gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 4:34=E2=80=AFPM Robert Markovi=
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Wonder whether today=E2=80=99s ethanol fuel contributes to the run-on (dies=
eling) many Healey owners experience. If you=E2=80=99re lucky (and have set=
 carbs and timing correctly), you can solve the problem by flooring&nbsp;th=
e gas pedal after turning off the ignition and inundate the cylinders with =
air, especially on a BJ8 with its larger HD8 SUs. Otherwise, as on my BN7, =
you must stall the engine by lifting the clutch pedal in fourth to keep it =
from running on. Am trying Techron combustion chamber/fuel system cleaner o=
n the chance removing built up deposits will do the trick, but we will see =
=E2=80=A6<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div><a r=
el=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" style=3D"font-size:12px;=
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iv8790107236"><div>
    Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars
    longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able
    to buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the
    octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured
    before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it
    was 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).<br clear=
=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol,
    and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on
    starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line
    that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it
    being a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years
    ago I put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also
    no visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the
    introduction of gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically,
    due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an engine to run a
    little lean, and at least one knowledgeable person recommends
    changing to rich carb needles, but both my cars have long since been
    tuned to run on it with std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to
    standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M and has the
    'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys will run
    fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on the cam and
    timing. <br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes
    I would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely
    to be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would
    owe 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't
    breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin). <br clear=3D"none=
">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and
    cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some
    stumbling for a mile or so.<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    Bob<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div id=3D"yiv0857949366m_6777466826901163723yiv8790107236yqt69298"><di=
v>On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry
      rubino via Healeys wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"yiv0857949366m_677746682690116372=
3yiv8790107236yqt30855"><div>
      A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running
      my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
      <div>In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate
        alcohol in all grades of gas.</div>
      <div>Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations
        to deal with this?</div>
      <br clear=3D"none">
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