Subject: Re: [Healeys] QH King Pins

From: Perry Small via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 09:21:57 -0400

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">If I may comment on a topic in this kingpin=
 discussion, the folks who have spent their lives dedicated to our favorite c=
ars, our Austin Healeys.&nbsp;<div>Roger Moments name was mentioned. Roger i=
s one of the many giants that have made the ownership of Austin Healeys over=
 the years, 58 years for me, more informed, and memorable. There are plenty o=
f folks that have donated their time and wisdom to making it a much more enj=
oyable ride. Thanks to all including you folks on this list!<div>Perry<br><b=
r><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">On Oct 29, 2023, at 7:11 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys &lt;he=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Well, I did a bit more r=
esearch=E2=80=A6actually in my own files and came up with this, below, from R=
oger Moment:-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso=
-fareast-language:EN-US">QUOTE<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style=3D"mso-elemen=
t:para-border-div;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:1.0pt 1.0pt 1.0pt 1.=
0pt;background:#CCCCCC"><p class=3D"MsoMessageHeader" style=3D"background:#C=
CCCCC"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">From:&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><a href=3D"mailto:owne=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"> on behalf of </span><a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoMessageHea=
der">Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 17 March 2002 16:02<o:p=
></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoMessageHeader"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif">To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;,serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoMessageHeader">Subject:&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; king pins<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoBodyText">A while back I posted a note alerting f=
olks to the problem with some =E2=80=9Cgeneric=E2=80=9D kingpins that Moss w=
as selling at the time.&nbsp; They were a BEAR to install and required much m=
odification of the bushings to even provide proper lubrication.<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3D"MsoBodyText">I spoke with Michael Grant at Moss and he was ver=
y concerned about the problem.&nbsp; Subsequently he has re-sourced their ki=
ngpins from someone in England who has the tooling and, I believe, supplied Q=
uintin Hazel.&nbsp; That is, the product the new source is providing is EXAC=
TLY like the Q-H kingpins that had been available in the past.<o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3D"MsoBodyText">I have just finished installing one of these new s=
ets and am happy to report that they are really GREAT!!!&nbsp; They have the=
 properly machined bushings, sized to go in with just the proper =E2=80=9Ccr=
ush=E2=80=9D, and the correct cork rings.&nbsp; Plus the zirc fittings have t=
he correct size threads and hex.&nbsp; The fulcrum pins even fit the bottom h=
ole in the king pin properly and don=E2=80=99t require additional fussing.<o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoBodyText">The new box these king pins come in is=
 still plain brown, but it has the following markings on it:<o:p></o:p></p><=
p class=3D"MsoList">1) a blue-white-red Union Jack with MADE IIN GREAT BRITA=
IN<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoList">2) a white tag with QHQP295TCF and KIN=
G PIN SET BIG HEA and MADE IN :U.K.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoBodyText">I believe Moss has replaced their=
 older, poor-quality stock and the new ones are what you=E2=80=99ll receive i=
f you order now.&nbsp; If you have some of the bad ones that you haven=E2=80=
=99t installed, I suggest you contact Moss about trying to exchange them.<o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoBodyText">And finally, for those of you who like t=
o flame suppliers when parts aren=E2=80=99t perfect, be aware that many time=
 suppliers do care, but need to get proper input as to problems.&nbsp; I am v=
ery impressed with the way Moss responded to this issue.<o:p></o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoBodyText">Remember that the parts business is very competitive reg=
arding price, which drives suppliers to look for the cheapest parts to sell.=
&nbsp; Many of you will change suppliers over a few cents savings and that h=
urts those who may have better parts at higher prices.&nbsp; You often get w=
hat you pay for.&nbsp; Just remember.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoBodyText"=
>Roger<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoBodyText">UNQUOTE<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3D"MsoPlainText">That just about covers it!?!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"Mso=
PlainText">As to using a QH part number..debatable but not too serious.<o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Simon<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoPlain=
Text"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast=
-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Heal=
eyRick &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> 28 October 2023 16:28<br=
><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys &lt;heal=
[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] QH King Pins<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">Hi Simon,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you google that QH part number, y=
ou'll see that it's not just Moss that uses it, but a number of other suppli=
ers as well. Would be interesting to see what packaging they come in and whe=
re it says "Made in ..."&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Happy Healeying,<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"<o:p></o:p></p></div=
></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 1:57=E2=80=AFPM Simon Lachlan via Healeys &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid=
 #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;=
margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:50pt"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi, I was browsi=
ng UK eBay the other day when I saw a King Pin set for sale from Moss Europe=
.:- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;m=
so-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href=3D"https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/17369341636=
1" target=3D"_blank">Austin-Healey 100-4 100-6 3000 - King pin &amp;amp; Bus=
h set - 1953-1968 BN1-BJ8 | eBay</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" st=
yle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Or just enter <sp=
an style=3D"color:#333333;background:white">173693416361.</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom=
-alt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#333333;background:white">This item caught m=
y attention because, after reading Roger=E2=80=99s book, I was reminded that=
 QH King Pins are hard to find and was pleased to find some at the big Beaul=
ieu autojumble some weeks ago. I doubted that any big suppliers would have Q=
H sets on their shelf and I furthermore doubted that, if they did have them,=
 they=E2=80=99d need to flog them on eBay=E2=80=A6..</span><o:p></o:p></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto">Anyhow, you=E2=80=99ll see that they=E2=80=99re giving it a Quentin Ha=
zell part number which I don=E2=80=99t think is appropriate as I suspect tha=
t it=E2=80=99s not QH.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-mar=
gin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I queried:- =E2=80=9C<span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#23=
1F20">Is this a genuine Q Hazell item? Thanks=E2=80=9D</span><o:p></o:p></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:#231F20">They replied:- =E2=80=9C</span><span style=3D"color:=
#231F20">QH PART NUMBER, BUT NOT BOXED IN QH PACKAGING. rEGARDS=E2=80=9D</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#231F20">I replied:- =E2=80=9C=
Thank you for this. But not very helpful. Is it a genuine QH part?</span><o:=
p></o:p></p><table class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" c=
ellpadding=3D"0" align=3D"left" style=3D"background:white"><tbody><tr><td va=
lign=3D"top" style=3D"padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:14.25pt;mso-element=
:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:2.25pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-a=
nchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rul=
e:exactly"><span style=3D"color:#231F20;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">They rep=
lied:-</span><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p></td></tr></tbody></table><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-a=
lt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#231F20">=E2=80=9CI=
 dont believe so, I have no data to confirm QH we just use the part number.=E2=
=80=9D</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-a=
lt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#231F20">&nbsp;</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#231F20">Naturally, I=E2=80=99=
m not accusing anyone, not hoping to be sued here=E2=80=A6.but I think it=E2=
=80=99s careless to say the least. Anybody got anything to add?? I suppose I=
=E2=80=99m just curious=E2=80=A6..does Moss have form for this?</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-=
bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#231F20">Doubt I=E2=80=99ll pester eBa=
y about this as I expect they=E2=80=99d not be too bothered.</span><o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bot=
tom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#231F20">Simon</span><o:p></o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"color:#231F20">&nbsp;</span><o:p></=
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 16:18:58 +0000

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