Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solder joints

From: Jim Ryan <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2023 09:01:00 -0400

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Simon,

I didn't see a link or attachment.

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 3:39 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Has anyone used these? And, if so, are they any good?
>
> I saw them on some car show and was impressed. Seems like they=E2=80=99d =
make a
> pretty decent joint if they=E2=80=99re as good as they=E2=80=99re cracked=
 up to be. Not
> very original in their appearance but sound enough??
> Touch wood, I don=E2=80=99t have many (any?) connections to make in the 3=
000, but
> for general use?
> Simon
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<div dir=3D"auto">Simon,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I did=
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><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 3:39 AM Simon L=
achlan via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">healeys@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
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ng=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_34690699674=
76860525WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has anyone used these? And, if=
 so, are they any good?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I saw them =
on some car show and was impressed. Seems like they=E2=80=99d make a pretty=
 decent joint if they=E2=80=99re as good as they=E2=80=99re cracked up to b=
e. Not very original in their appearance but sound enough?? <br>Touch wood,=
 I don=E2=80=99t have many (any?) connections to make in the 3000, but for =
general use?<br>Simon<u></u><u></u></p></div></div>________________________=
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From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2023 15:46:50 +0100

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Ah, yes. Good point!

200PCs Solderstick Waterproof Solder Wire Connector Kit Original =
Connector Tools | eBay <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404496927584>=20

=20

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From: Jim Ryan <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: 01 October 2023 14:01
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Healeys <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solder joints

=20

Simon,

=20

=20

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 3:39 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys =

I saw them on some car show and was impressed. Seems like they=E2=80=99d =
make a pretty decent joint if they=E2=80=99re as good as they=E2=80=99re =
cracked up to be. Not very original in their appearance but sound =
enough??=20
Touch wood, I don=E2=80=99t have many (any?) connections to make in the =
3000, but for general use?
Simon

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cracked up to be. Not very original in their appearance but sound =
enough?? <br>Touch wood, I don=E2=80=99t have many (any?) connections to =
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I've never used these--in fact, this is the first I've heard of 
them--but, of course, that never stopped me from having an opinion or 
two. My 'hot take' (heh):

1) there may be solder formulations that a heat gun could melt, but 
calling this 'solder' seems to be a mis-characterization: the 'fine 
print' says it's 'hot melt adhesive.' I didn't see anything about its 
conductivity, nor it's strength (though the shrink wrap part would be 
reinforcing).

2) when I was maintaining my own aircraft, I subscribed to a magazine 
called 'Light Plane Maintenance.' It didn't take any advertising, and 
never shied away from 'calling it like it is.' They did exhaustive 
research and experimentation on the benefit/risk of solder joints vs. 
crimp joints and came to the conclusion that crimping was superior to 
soldering (and easier, to boot). But, it has to be done properly; e.g.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIfoSSmlQR8

3) I only see them as being used for splices; apparently, you still need 
to employ crimping or soldering for terminals (loop, spade, etc.). I'd 
prefer all my wiring to be consistent.

4) the advert claims they are 'waterproof;' that, I think, is a stretch. 
Most similar ads only claim 'water resistant' (for liability, I suspect; 
water will eventually get into almost everything).

5) for most solder joints you want to twist the bare ends together; that 
doesn't seem possible with these.

So, no dice for me.

bs

On 10/1/2023 7:46 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:
>
> Ah, yes. Good point!
>
> 200PCs Solderstick Waterproof Solder Wire Connector Kit Original 
> Connector Tools | eBay <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404496927584>
>
> *From:*Jim Ryan <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* 01 October 2023 14:01
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Cc:* Healeys <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Solder joints
>
> Simon,
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 3:39 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys 
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     I saw them on some car show and was impressed. Seems like they’d
>     make a pretty decent joint if they’re as good as they’re cracked
>     up to be. Not very original in their appearance but sound enough??
>     Touch wood, I don’t have many (any?) connections to make in the

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    I've never used these--in fact, this is the first I've heard of
    them--but, of course, that never stopped me from having an opinion
    or two. My 'hot take' (heh):<br>
    <br>
    1) there may be solder formulations that a heat gun could melt, but
    calling this 'solder' seems to be a mis-characterization: the 'fine
    print' says it's 'hot melt adhesive.' I didn't see anything about
    its conductivity, nor it's strength (though the shrink wrap part
    would be reinforcing). <br>
    <br>
    2) when I was maintaining my own aircraft, I subscribed to a
    magazine called 'Light Plane Maintenance.' It didn't take any
    advertising, and never shied away from 'calling it like it is.' They
    did exhaustive research and experimentation on the benefit/risk of
    solder joints vs. crimp joints and came to the conclusion that
    crimping was superior to soldering (and easier, to boot). But, it
    has to be done properly; e.g.:<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIfoSSmlQR8">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIfoSSmlQR8</a><br>
    <br>
    3) I only see them as being used for splices; apparently, you still
    need to employ crimping or soldering for terminals (loop, spade,
    etc.). I'd prefer all my wiring to be consistent.<br>
    <br>
    4) the advert claims they are 'waterproof;' that, I think, is a
    stretch. Most similar ads only claim 'water resistant' (for
    liability, I suspect; water will eventually get into almost
    everything).<br>
    <br>
    5) for most solder joints you want to twist the bare ends together;
    that doesn't seem possible with these.<br>
    <br>
    So, no dice for me.<br>
    <br>
    bs<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/1/2023 7:46 AM, Simon Lachlan via
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ah,
            yes. Good point!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><a
            href="https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404496927584"
            moz-do-not-send="true">200PCs Solderstick Waterproof Solder
            Wire Connector Kit Original Connector Tools | eBay</a><span
            style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
            lang="EN-US"> Jim Ryan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <br>
            <b>Sent:</b> 01 October 2023 14:01<br>
            <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Solder joints<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Simon,<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 3:39 AM Simon
              Lachlan via Healeys &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Has
                  anyone used these? And, if so, are they any good?<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                  saw them on some car show and was impressed. Seems
                  like they’d make a pretty decent joint if they’re as
                  good as they’re cracked up to be. Not very original in
                  their appearance but sound enough?? <br>
                  Touch wood, I don’t have many (any?) connections to
                  make in the 3000, but for general use?<br>
                  Simon<o:p></o:p></p>
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I used them on my Healey. Heat gun is safer than a soldering iron in tight
spots.

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
1967 MGB Roadster

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 8:30 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Ah, yes. Good point!
>
> 200PCs Solderstick Waterproof Solder Wire Connector Kit Original Connecto=
r
> Tools | eBay <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404496927584>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Ryan <[email-masked]>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I used them on my Healey. Heat gun is safer than a solder=
ing iron in tight spots.<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Ira=
 Erbs<br>Milwaukie, OR<br>1959 Austin Healey 100-6<br>1967 MGB Roadster</di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 8:30 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"p=
urple"><div class=3D"m_-3691071534035922681WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span>Ah, yes. Good point!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><a href=3D"https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404496927584" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">200PCs Solderstick Waterproof Solder Wire Connector Kit O=
riginal Connector Tools | eBay</a><span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From=
:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Jim Ryan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ryan@jimry=
an.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><=
b>Sent:</b> 01 October 2023 14:01<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:simon.lac=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">simon.lachla=
[email-masked]</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heale=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Solder joints<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">Simon,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I didn&#39;t see a link or attac=
hment.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 3:39 AM Simon=
 Lachlan via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u>=
<u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc=
 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has anyone used these? And, if so, are they any =
good?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I saw them on some car show a=
nd was impressed. Seems like they=E2=80=99d make a pretty decent joint if t=
hey=E2=80=99re as good as they=E2=80=99re cracked up to be. Not very origin=
al in their appearance but sound enough?? <br>Touch wood, I don=E2=80=99t h=
ave many (any?) connections to make in the 3000, but for general use?<br>Si=
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From: Michael Oritt via Healeys <[email-masked]>
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I did literally thousands of inline and terminal connections while building
and rewiring the main and sub panels of my boat and always used
*proper* cutters,
strippers and crimping tools with quality tinned terminal
fittings--sometimes resin-filled and sometimes not depending upon location
and service, etc.  If there was ever a failure it was only due to a bad
crimp, etc.

In addition to what Bob says re these fittings only being for inline butt
joints there is always the risk of damaging adjacent wiring with careless
or too much heat, etc.
They look slick but I think I'd agree with Bob.

Best--Michael

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

> I've never used these--in fact, this is the first I've heard of them--but=
,
> of course, that never stopped me from having an opinion or two. My 'hot
> take' (heh):
>
> calling this 'solder' seems to be a mis-characterization: the 'fine print=
'
> says it's 'hot melt adhesive.' I didn't see anything about its
> called 'Light Plane Maintenance.' It didn't take any advertising, and nev=
er
> shied away from 'calling it like it is.' They did exhaustive research and
> experimentation on the benefit/risk of solder joints vs. crimp joints and
> came to the conclusion that crimping was superior to soldering (and easie=
r,
> to boot). But, it has to be done properly; e.g.:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeIfoSSmlQR8
>
r
> *From:* Jim Ryan <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Healeys <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I did=
 literally=C2=A0thousands of inline and terminal connections while building=
 and rewiring the main and sub panels of my boat and always used <i><b><u>p=
roper</u></b></i>=C2=A0cutters, strippers and crimping tools with quality t=
inned terminal fittings--sometimes resin-filled and sometimes not depending=
 upon location and service, etc.=C2=A0 If there was ever a failure it was o=
nly=C2=A0due to a bad crimp, etc.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div>I<font color=3D"#0000ff">n addit=
ion to what Bob says re these fittings only being for inline butt joints th=
ere is always the risk of damaging adjacent wiring with careless or too muc=
h heat, etc.</font><br><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"=
>They look slick but I think=C2=A0I&#39;d agree with Bob.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div></div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct =
1, 2023 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comca=
st.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    I&#39;ve never used these--in fact, this is the first I&#39;ve heard of
    them--but, of course, that never stopped me from having an opinion
    or two. My &#39;hot take&#39; (heh):<br>
    <br>
    1) there may be solder formulations that a heat gun could melt, but
    calling this &#39;solder&#39; seems to be a mis-characterization: the &=
#39;fine
    print&#39; says it&#39;s &#39;hot melt adhesive.&#39; I didn&#39;t see =
anything about
    its conductivity, nor it&#39;s strength (though the shrink wrap part
    would be reinforcing). <br>
    <br>
    2) when I was maintaining my own aircraft, I subscribed to a
    magazine called &#39;Light Plane Maintenance.&#39; It didn&#39;t take a=
ny
    advertising, and never shied away from &#39;calling it like it is.&#39;=
 They
    did exhaustive research and experimentation on the benefit/risk of
    solder joints vs. crimp joints and came to the conclusion that
    crimping was superior to soldering (and easier, to boot). But, it
    has to be done properly; e.g.:<br>
    <br>
    <a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeIfoSSmlQR8" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeIfoSSmlQR8</a><br>
    <br>
    3) I only see them as being used for splices; apparently, you still
    need to employ crimping or soldering for terminals (loop, spade,
    etc.). I&#39;d prefer all my wiring to be consistent.<br>
    <br>
    4) the advert claims they are &#39;waterproof;&#39; that, I think, is a
    stretch. Most similar ads only claim &#39;water resistant&#39; (for
    liability, I suspect; water will eventually get into almost
    everything).<br>
    <br>
    5) for most solder joints you want to twist the bare ends together;
    that doesn&#39;t seem possible with these.<br>
    <br>
    So, no dice for me.<br>
    <br>
    bs<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 10/1/2023 7:46 AM, Simon Lachlan via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
     =20
     =20
      <div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Ah,
            yes. Good point!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404496=
927584" target=3D"_blank">200PCs Solderstick Waterproof Solder
            Wire Connector Kit Original Connector Tools | eBay</a><span><u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US"> Jim Ryan <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <br>
            <b>Sent:</b> 01 October 2023 14:01<br>
            <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Solder joints<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
        <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon,<u></u><u></u></p>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I didn&#39;t see a link or attachment.<u=
></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 3:39 AM Simon
              Lachlan via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bot=
tom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;mar=
gin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
            <div>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has
                  anyone used these? And, if so, are they any good?<u></u><=
u></u></p>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I
                  saw them on some car show and was impressed. Seems
                  like they=E2=80=99d make a pretty decent joint if they=E2=
=80=99re as
                  good as they=E2=80=99re cracked up to be. Not very origin=
al in
                  their appearance but sound enough?? <br>
                  Touch wood, I don=E2=80=99t have many (any?) connections =
to
                  make in the 3000, but for general use?<br>
                  Simon<u></u><u></u></p>
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I have always used the method recommended by Chrysler in their Workshop
Manuals.
Never let me down.

On Mon., Oct. 2, 2023, 11:19 a.m. Michael Oritt via Healeys, <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I did literally thousands of inline and terminal connections while
> building and rewiring the main and sub panels of my boat and always used
> *proper* cutters, strippers and crimping tools with quality tinned
> terminal fittings--sometimes resin-filled and sometimes not depending upo=
n
> location and service, etc.  If there was ever a failure it was only due t=
o
> a bad crimp, etc.
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>> them--but, of course, that never stopped me from having an opinion or tw=
o.
>> My 'hot take' (heh):
>> calling this 'solder' seems to be a mis-characterization: the 'fine prin=
t'
>> called 'Light Plane Maintenance.' It didn't take any advertising, and ne=
ver
>> shied away from 'calling it like it is.' They did exhaustive research an=
d
>> experimentation on the benefit/risk of solder joints vs. crimp joints an=
d
>> came to the conclusion that crimping was superior to soldering (and easi=
er,
>> I saw them on some car show and was impressed. Seems like they=E2=80=99d=
 make a
>> pretty decent joint if they=E2=80=99re as good as they=E2=80=99re cracke=
d up to be. Not
>> Touch wood, I don=E2=80=99t have many (any?) connections to make in the =
3000, but
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<div dir=3D"auto">I have always used the method recommended by Chrysler in =
their Workshop Manuals.<div dir=3D"auto">Never let me down.</div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon., O=
ct. 2, 2023, 11:19 a.m. Michael Oritt via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:he=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"color:#3333ff">I did literally=C2=A0thousands of inline and terminal c=
onnections while building and rewiring the main and sub panels of my boat a=
nd always used <i><b><u>proper</u></b></i>=C2=A0cutters, strippers and crim=
ping tools with quality tinned terminal fittings--sometimes resin-filled an=
d sometimes not depending upon location and service, etc.=C2=A0 If there wa=
s ever a failure it was only=C2=A0due to a bad crimp, etc.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div>I<font =
color=3D"#0000ff">n addition to what Bob says re these fittings only being =
for inline butt joints there is always the risk of damaging adjacent wiring=
 with careless or too much heat, etc.</font><br><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"color:#3333ff">They look slick but I think=C2=A0I&#39;d agree wi=
th Bob.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bspid=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    I&#39;ve never used these--in fact, this is the first I&#39;ve heard of
    them--but, of course, that never stopped me from having an opinion
    or two. My &#39;hot take&#39; (heh):<br>
    <br>
    1) there may be solder formulations that a heat gun could melt, but
    calling this &#39;solder&#39; seems to be a mis-characterization: the &=
#39;fine
    print&#39; says it&#39;s &#39;hot melt adhesive.&#39; I didn&#39;t see =
anything about
    its conductivity, nor it&#39;s strength (though the shrink wrap part
    would be reinforcing). <br>
    <br>
    2) when I was maintaining my own aircraft, I subscribed to a
    magazine called &#39;Light Plane Maintenance.&#39; It didn&#39;t take a=
ny
    advertising, and never shied away from &#39;calling it like it is.&#39;=
 They
    did exhaustive research and experimentation on the benefit/risk of
    solder joints vs. crimp joints and came to the conclusion that
    crimping was superior to soldering (and easier, to boot). But, it
    has to be done properly; e.g.:<br>
    <br>
    <a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeIfoSSmlQR8" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeIfoSSmlQR8</a><b=
r>
    <br>
    3) I only see them as being used for splices; apparently, you still
    need to employ crimping or soldering for terminals (loop, spade,
    etc.). I&#39;d prefer all my wiring to be consistent.<br>
    <br>
    4) the advert claims they are &#39;waterproof;&#39; that, I think, is a
    stretch. Most similar ads only claim &#39;water resistant&#39; (for
    liability, I suspect; water will eventually get into almost
    everything).<br>
    <br>
    5) for most solder joints you want to twist the bare ends together;
    that doesn&#39;t seem possible with these.<br>
    <br>
    So, no dice for me.<br>
    <br>
    bs<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 10/1/2023 7:46 AM, Simon Lachlan via
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927584" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">200PCs Solderstick Waterproof =
Solder
            Wire Connector Kit Original Connector Tools | eBay</a><span><u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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From: "m.g.sharp--- via Healeys" <[email-masked]>
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I too use solder and follow the protocol that is outlined in the =
Chrysler manual that Mike attached.  HOWEVER, I am on the fence a bit on =
this one.  I struggle to get just enough heat to melt the solder fully =
into the twisted wires without melting the adjacent plastic insulation =
and, worse, over-heating the wire for an inch or so either side of the =
joint.  Over-heating the wire makes it brittle and prone to failure =
(i.e. breakage), especially if it is in a position where is it is =
vibrating or subject to flexing.  The mechanic who services my BMW, and =
who is a fully qualified Bosch technician (a few years ago he re-wired a =
DeLorean from scratch without a manual), swears by crimping because of =
the embrittlement caused by heating.  He services older Porches and =
English cars like ours, as well as new stuff, and has noticed that when =
wires break, it is usually within an inch or so of a solder joint.

=20

For now, I am staying with the solder and being very careful, but I take =
 the point of the crimping advocates.

=20

Cheers, Mirek

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Michael =
Salter
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2023 4:17 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solder joints

=20

I have always used the method recommended by Chrysler in their Workshop =
Manuals.

Never let me down.

=20

On Mon., Oct. 2, 2023, 11:19 a.m. Michael Oritt via Healeys, =

I did literally thousands of inline and terminal connections while =
building and rewiring the main and sub panels of my boat and always used =
proper cutters, strippers and crimping tools with quality tinned =
terminal fittings--sometimes resin-filled and sometimes not depending =
upon location and service, etc.  If there was ever a failure it was only =
due to a bad crimp, etc. =20

=20

In addition to what Bob says re these fittings only being for inline =
butt joints there is always the risk of damaging adjacent wiring with =
careless or too much heat, etc.

=20

Best--Michael  =20

=20

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell <[email-masked] =

I've never used these--in fact, this is the first I've heard of =
them--but, of course, that never stopped me from having an opinion or =
two. My 'hot take' (heh):

1) there may be solder formulations that a heat gun could melt, but =
calling this 'solder' seems to be a mis-characterization: the 'fine =
print' says it's 'hot melt adhesive.' I didn't see anything about its =
conductivity, nor it's strength (though the shrink wrap part would be =
reinforcing).=20

2) when I was maintaining my own aircraft, I subscribed to a magazine =
called 'Light Plane Maintenance.' It didn't take any advertising, and =
never shied away from 'calling it like it is.' They did exhaustive =
research and experimentation on the benefit/risk of solder joints vs. =
crimp joints and came to the conclusion that crimping was superior to =
soldering (and easier, to boot). But, it has to be done properly; e.g.:

3) I only see them as being used for splices; apparently, you still need =
to employ crimping or soldering for terminals (loop, spade, etc.). I'd =
prefer all my wiring to be consistent.

4) the advert claims they are 'waterproof;' that, I think, is a stretch. =
Most similar ads only claim 'water resistant' (for liability, I suspect; =
water will eventually get into almost everything).

5) for most solder joints you want to twist the bare ends together; that =
doesn't seem possible with these.

So, no dice for me.

bs

Ah, yes. Good point!

=20

=20

=20

Sent: 01 October 2023 14:01
To: [email-masked] =
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solder joints

=20

Simon,

=20

=20

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I too use solder and follow the =
protocol that is outlined in the Chrysler manual that Mike =
attached.=C2=A0 HOWEVER, I am on the fence a bit on this one.=C2=A0 I =
struggle to get just enough heat to melt the solder fully into the =
twisted wires without melting the adjacent plastic insulation and, =
worse, over-heating the wire for an inch or so either side of the =
joint.=C2=A0 Over-heating the wire makes it brittle and prone to failure =
(i.e. breakage), especially if it is in a position where is it is =
vibrating or subject to flexing.=C2=A0 The mechanic who services my BMW, =
and who is a fully qualified Bosch technician (a few years ago he =
re-wired a DeLorean from scratch without a manual), swears by crimping =
because of the embrittlement caused by heating.=C2=A0 He services older =
Porches and English cars like ours, as well as new stuff, and has =
noticed that when wires break, it is usually within an inch or so of a =
solder joint.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>For now, I =
am staying with the solder and being very careful, but I take=C2=A0 the =
point of the crimping advocates.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers, =
Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael =
Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 2, 2023 4:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Solder =
joints<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have =
always used the method recommended by Chrysler in their Workshop =
Manuals.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Never let me =
down.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon., Oct. 2, 2023, 11:19 a.m. Michael Oritt via Healeys, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>I did =
literally&nbsp;thousands of inline and terminal connections while =
building and rewiring the main and sub panels of my boat and always used =
<b><i><u>proper</u></i></b>&nbsp;cutters, strippers and crimping tools =
with quality tinned terminal fittings--sometimes resin-filled and =
sometimes not depending upon location and service, etc.&nbsp; If there =
was ever a failure it was only&nbsp;due to a bad crimp, =
etc.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I<span style=3D'color:blue'>n addition to what Bob =
says re these fittings only being for inline butt joints there is always =
the risk of damaging adjacent wiring with careless or too much heat, =
etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>They look slick but I think&nbsp;I'd agree with =
Bob.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Best--Michael&nbsp; =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I've never used these--in fact, this is =
the first I've heard of them--but, of course, that never stopped me from =
having an opinion or two. My 'hot take' (heh):<br><br>1) there may be =
solder formulations that a heat gun could melt, but calling this =
'solder' seems to be a mis-characterization: the 'fine print' says it's =
'hot melt adhesive.' I didn't see anything about its conductivity, nor =
it's strength (though the shrink wrap part would be reinforcing). =
<br><br>2) when I was maintaining my own aircraft, I subscribed to a =
magazine called 'Light Plane Maintenance.' It didn't take any =
advertising, and never shied away from 'calling it like it is.' They did =
exhaustive research and experimentation on the benefit/risk of solder =
joints vs. crimp joints and came to the conclusion that crimping was =
superior to soldering (and easier, to boot). But, it has to be done =
properly; e.g.:<br><br><a =
href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeIfoSSmlQR8" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeIfoSSmlQR8</a><br><b=
r>3) I only see them as being used for splices; apparently, you still =
need to employ crimping or soldering for terminals (loop, spade, etc.). =
I'd prefer all my wiring to be consistent.<br><br>4) the advert claims =
they are 'waterproof;' that, I think, is a stretch. Most similar ads =
only claim 'water resistant' (for liability, I suspect; water will =
eventually get into almost everything).<br><br>5) for most solder joints =
you want to twist the bare ends together; that doesn't seem possible =
with these.<br><br>So, no dice for =
me.<br><br>bs<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
10/1/2023 7:46 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ah, yes. =
Good point!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404496927584" =
target=3D"_blank">200PCs Solderstick Waterproof Solder Wire Connector =
Kit Original Connector Tools | eBay</a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Jim Ryan <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> 01 =
October 2023 14:01<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Cc:</b> =
Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Healeys] Solder joints</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Simon,<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I didn't =
see a link or attachment.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, Oct =
1, 2023, 3:39 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Has anyone =
used these? And, if so, are they any good?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I saw them =
on some car show and was impressed. Seems like they=E2=80=99d make a =
pretty decent joint if they=E2=80=99re as good as they=E2=80=99re =
cracked up to be. Not very original in their appearance but sound =
enough?? <br>Touch wood, I don=E2=80=99t have many (any?) connections to =
make in the 3000, but for general =
use?<br>Simon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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I don't know if any of the suppliers of wiring harnesses offer tinned wire
but if so that would be a real advantage both to cut down on corrosion and
to make soldering easier.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:56=E2=80=AFAM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I too use solder and follow the protocol that is outlined in the Chrysler
> manual that Mike attached.  HOWEVER, I am on the fence a bit on this one.
> I struggle to get just enough heat to melt the solder fully into the
> twisted wires without melting the adjacent plastic insulation and, worse,
> over-heating the wire for an inch or so either side of the joint.
> Over-heating the wire makes it brittle and prone to failure (i.e.
> breakage), especially if it is in a position where is it is vibrating or
> subject to flexing.  The mechanic who services my BMW, and who is a fully
> qualified Bosch technician (a few years ago he re-wired a DeLorean from
> scratch without a manual), swears by crimping because of the embrittlemen=
t
> caused by heating.  He services older Porches and English cars like ours,
> as well as new stuff, and has noticed that when wires break, it is usuall=
y
> within an inch or so of a solder joint.
>
>
>
> For now, I am staying with the solder and being very careful, but I take
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Salter
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2023 4:17 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I don=
&#39;t know if any of the suppliers of wiring harnesses offer tinned wire b=
ut if so that would be a real advantage both to cut down on corrosion and t=
o make soldering easier.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:56=E2=80=AFAM m.g.sh=
arp--- via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">healeys@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg-1234665678268470450"><div lang=3D"EN-CA" styl=
e=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"m_-1234665678268470450WordSe=
ction1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I too use solder and follow the protoc=
ol that is outlined in the Chrysler manual that Mike attached.=C2=A0 HOWEVE=
R, I am on the fence a bit on this one.=C2=A0 I struggle to get just enough=
 heat to melt the solder fully into the twisted wires without melting the a=
djacent plastic insulation and, worse, over-heating the wire for an inch or=
 so either side of the joint.=C2=A0 Over-heating the wire makes it brittle =
and prone to failure (i.e. breakage), especially if it is in a position whe=
re is it is vibrating or subject to flexing.=C2=A0 The mechanic who service=
s my BMW, and who is a fully qualified Bosch technician (a few years ago he=
 re-wired a DeLorean from scratch without a manual), swears by crimping bec=
ause of the embrittlement caused by heating.=C2=A0 He services older Porche=
s and English cars like ours, as well as new stuff, and has noticed that wh=
en wires break, it is usually within an inch or so of a solder joint.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>For now, I am staying with the solder and =
being very careful, but I take=C2=A0 the point of the crimping advocates.<u=
></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Cheers, Mirek<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"b=
order-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid r=
gb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday=
, October 2, 2023 4:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Solder joints<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have always used th=
e method recommended by Chrysler in their Workshop Manuals.<u></u><u></u></=
p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Never let me down.<u></u><u></u></p></div></d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">On Mon., Oct. 2, 2023, 11:19 a.m. Michael Oritt via Healeys, &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top=
:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">I did literal=
ly=C2=A0thousands of inline and terminal connections while building and rew=
iring the main and sub panels of my boat and always used <b><i><u>proper</u=
></i></b>=C2=A0cutters, strippers and crimping tools with quality tinned te=
rminal fittings--sometimes resin-filled and sometimes not depending upon lo=
cation and service, etc.=C2=A0 If there was ever a failure it was only=C2=
=A0due to a bad crimp, etc.=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I<span style=3D"color:blue">n =
addition to what Bob says re these fittings only being for inline butt join=
ts there is always the risk of damaging adjacent wiring with careless or to=
o much heat, etc.</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">They look slick but I think=C2=A0I&#39;d ag=
ree with Bob.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Best--Michael=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 =
at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none=
;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left=
:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom=
:12pt">I&#39;ve never used these--in fact, this is the first I&#39;ve heard=
 of them--but, of course, that never stopped me from having an opinion or t=
wo. My &#39;hot take&#39; (heh):<br><br>1) there may be solder formulations=
 that a heat gun could melt, but calling this &#39;solder&#39; seems to be =
a mis-characterization: the &#39;fine print&#39; says it&#39;s &#39;hot mel=
t adhesive.&#39; I didn&#39;t see anything about its conductivity, nor it&#=
39;s strength (though the shrink wrap part would be reinforcing). <br><br>2=
) when I was maintaining my own aircraft, I subscribed to a magazine called=
 &#39;Light Plane Maintenance.&#39; It didn&#39;t take any advertising, and=
 never shied away from &#39;calling it like it is.&#39; They did exhaustive=
 research and experimentation on the benefit/risk of solder joints vs. crim=
p joints and came to the conclusion that crimping was superior to soldering=
 (and easier, to boot). But, it has to be done properly; e.g.:<br><br><a hr=
ef=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeIfoSSmlQR8" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeIfoSSmlQR8</a><br><br>3) I only see them as =
being used for splices; apparently, you still need to employ crimping or so=
ldering for terminals (loop, spade, etc.). I&#39;d prefer all my wiring to =
be consistent.<br><br>4) the advert claims they are &#39;waterproof;&#39; t=
hat, I think, is a stretch. Most similar ads only claim &#39;water resistan=
t&#39; (for liability, I suspect; water will eventually get into almost eve=
rything).<br><br>5) for most solder joints you want to twist the bare ends =
together; that doesn&#39;t seem possible with these.<br><br>So, no dice for=
 me.<br><br>bs<br><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On =
10/1/2023 7:46 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">Ah, yes. Good point!<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a hre=
f=3D"https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404496927584" target=3D"_blank">200PCs Sold=
erstick Waterproof Solder Wire Connector Kit Original Connector Tools | eBa=
y</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></=
b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Jim Ryan <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> 01 October 2023 1=
4:01<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">&lt;healeys@aut=
ox.team.net&gt;</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Solder joints</span><u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">Simon,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I didn&#39;t see a link =
or attachment.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u=
></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 3:39 =
AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:no=
ne;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5p=
t 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has anyone used these? An=
d, if so, are they any good?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I saw =
them on some car show and was impressed. Seems like they=E2=80=99d make a p=
retty decent joint if they=E2=80=99re as good as they=E2=80=99re cracked up=
 to be. Not very original in their appearance but sound enough?? <br>Touch =
wood, I don=E2=80=99t have many (any?) connections to make in the 3000, but=
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