Subject: Re: [Healeys] Rear shroud rivets

From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 17:08:48 -0700

I don’t know or recall what kind of rivets were originally used on the Healeys, but it sounds like you are trying to avoid having to 'buck' traditional rivets to make the shop head. If so, and you want pulled rivets that have no hole left after the mandrel is pulled out - then maybe you want to look into "Closed-End Blind Rivets"....

If you want to have traditional rivets, you can find the local Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA) chapter near you. Most likely there will be person or persons who are or have built aircraft requiring bucking lots and lots of rivets - and who would most likely be happy to take the 20 minutes to do yours!

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All the best,

Al Fuller

-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Donald Tate
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 10:24 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Healeys] Rear shroud rivets

Getting ready to install the rivets in the rear shroud. Is there a ‘modern’ alternative to the peened factory rivets? 
Or a modern way to peen the rivets by hand?  I assume the factory had a special tool for this purpose. 

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The rivets along the rear lip of the shroud are not too difficult. I use
modified Vicegrips.
The ones along the bottom edge of the boot lid opening are a little more
difficult.
I made this special tool from a tie rod end separator. It does a great job.

Michael S

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> Getting ready to install the rivets in the rear shroud. Is there a
> =E2=80=98modern=E2=80=99 alternative to the peened factory rivets?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:small">The rivets along the rear lip of the shroud are n=
ot too difficult. I use modified Vicegrips.</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">The ones along th=
e bottom edge of the boot lid opening are a little more difficult.</div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:s=
mall">I made this special tool from a tie rod end separator. It does a grea=
t job.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-=
size:small"><img src=3D"cid:ii_lo3mqf8b0" alt=3D"image.png" width=3D"504" h=
eight=3D"348"><br><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 7:00=E2=80=AFPM Donal=
d Tate &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Getting re=
ady to install the rivets in the rear shroud. Is there a =E2=80=98modern=E2=
=80=99 alternative to the peened factory rivets? <br>
Or a modern way to peen the rivets by hand?=C2=A0 I assume the factory had =
a special tool for this purpose. <br>
<br>
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From: warthodson--- via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:07:26 +0000 (UTC)

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 The shop that did my metal work found a novel approach. They used a die to=
 create threads on the shaft of the rivet & used a nut on the underside of =
the rivet to tighten it down. They did have to create a special tool=C2=A0o=
ut of a set of plyers to hold the rivet from turning while tightening the n=
ut. The result is completely original in appearance.Gary Hodson
    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 12:51:08 AM CDT, [email-masked] =
<[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 I don=E2=80=99t know or recall what kind of rivets were originally used on=
 the Healeys, but it sounds like you are trying to avoid having to 'buck' t=
raditional rivets to make the shop head. If so, and you want pulled rivets =
that have no hole left after the mandrel is pulled out - then maybe you wan=
t to look into "Closed-End Blind Rivets"....

If you want to have traditional rivets, you can find the local Experimental=
 Aircraft Association (EAA) chapter near you. Most likely there will be per=
son or persons who are or have built aircraft requiring bucking lots and lo=
ts of rivets - and who would most likely be happy to take the 20 minutes to=
 do yours!

----------------
All the best,

Al Fuller

-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Donald Tate
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 10:24 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Healeys] Rear shroud rivets

Getting ready to install the rivets in the rear shroud. Is there a =E2=80=
=98modern=E2=80=99 alternative to the peened factory rivets?=20
Or a modern way to peen the rivets by hand?=C2=A0 I assume the factory had =
a special tool for this purpose.=20

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of the rivet &amp; used a nut on the underside of the rivet to tighten it d=
own. They did have to create a special tool&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">I don=E2=80=99t know or recall what k=
ind of rivets were originally used on the Healeys, but it sounds like you a=
re trying to avoid having to 'buck' traditional rivets to make the shop hea=
d. If so, and you want pulled rivets that have no hole left after the mandr=
el is pulled out - then maybe you want to look into "Closed-End Blind Rivet=
s"....<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">If you want to have traditional=
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pter near you. Most likely there will be person or persons who are or have =
built aircraft requiring bucking lots and lots of rivets - and who would mo=
st likely be happy to take the 20 minutes to do yours!<br clear=3D"none"><b=
r clear=3D"none">----------------<br clear=3D"none">All the best,<br clear=
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From: Jake V <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:40:18 -0400

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What you're describing is very similar to a Hi-Lok or Hi-Lite fastener we
use in the aerospace industry. Flat head that looks like a rivet with a
thread and a hex key recess in the end of the pin to keep it from spinning
while installing either a lock nut, or a special collar that shears off
when a certain torque is reached.
They're not cheap, but they are available and they go down to =C3=98 1/8".

https://jet-tek.com/hl11/

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:24=E2=80=AFAM warthodson--- via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> The shop that did my metal work found a novel approach. They used a die t=
o
> create threads on the shaft of the rivet & used a nut on the underside of
> the rivet to tighten it down. They did have to create a special tool
> out of a set of plyers to hold the rivet from turning while tightening th=
e
> nut. The result is completely original in appearance.
> Gary Hodson
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 12:51:08 AM CDT, [email-masked] <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> I don=E2=80=99t know or recall what kind of rivets were originally used o=
n the
> Healeys, but it sounds like you are trying to avoid having to 'buck'
> traditional rivets to make the shop head. If so, and you want pulled rive=
ts
> that have no hole left after the mandrel is pulled out - then maybe you
> want to look into "Closed-End Blind Rivets"....
>
> If you want to have traditional rivets, you can find the local
> Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA) chapter near you. Most likely the=
re
> will be person or persons who are or have built aircraft requiring buckin=
g
> lots and lots of rivets - and who would most likely be happy to take the =
20
> minutes to do yours!
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
>
>
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">What you&#39;re describing is very similar to a Hi-Lok or =
Hi-Lite fastener we use in the aerospace industry. Flat head that looks lik=
e a rivet with a thread and a hex key recess in the end of the pin to keep =
it from spinning while installing either a lock nut, or a special collar th=
at shears off when a certain torque is reached.<div>They&#39;re not cheap, =
but they are available and they go down to =C3=98 1/8&quot;.</div><div><br>=
</div><div><a href=3D"https://jet-tek.com/hl11/">https://jet-tek.com/hl11/<=
/a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:24=E2=80=AFAM warthodson--- via Hea=
leys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size=
:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">The shop that did my metal work found a novel appr=
oach. They used a die to create threads on the shaft of the rivet &amp; use=
d a nut on the underside of the rivet to tighten it down. They did have to =
create a special tool=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">out of a set of plyers to=
 hold the rivet from turning while tightening the nut. The result is comple=
tely original in appearance.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gary Hodson</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div>
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/a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">alfuller=
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">I don=E2=80=99t know or recall what k=
ind of rivets were originally used on the Healeys, but it sounds like you a=
re trying to avoid having to &#39;buck&#39; traditional rivets to make the =
shop head. If so, and you want pulled rivets that have no hole left after t=
he mandrel is pulled out - then maybe you want to look into &quot;Closed-En=
d Blind Rivets&quot;....<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">If you want t=
o have traditional rivets, you can find the local Experimental Aircraft Ass=
ociation (EAA) chapter near you. Most likely there will be person or person=
s who are or have built aircraft requiring bucking lots and lots of rivets =
- and who would most likely be happy to take the 20 minutes to do yours!<br=
 clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">----------------<br clear=3D"none">All t=
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ear=3D"none">Getting ready to install the rivets in the rear shroud. Is the=
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