Subject: Re: [Healeys] It's not the starter

From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 10:23:00 -0700

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Just thought of another possibility: I=E2=80=99ve had solenoids going bad th=
at exhibited similar symptoms. Try bypassing the solenoid (can be done with a=
 couple large screwdrivers or jumper cable).

> On May 22, 2022, at 9:32 AM, jim via Healeys <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> High resistance in heavy current path from battery to starter (likely corr=
osion) to ground
>=20
>=20
> (battery)-->>--(solenoid)-->>--starter-->>--(ground)measure voltage across=
 solenoid (could have high resistance contacts when operated)
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> Jim
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> connect voltmeter between battery and solenoid, note voltage (should be ze=
ro) try start, note voltage (should still be zero), section out heavy curren=
t path accordingly ...
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> On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Hea=
leys <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
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> Hello
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> =20
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> A problem to consider.
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> =20
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> Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. R=
ebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no use.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery so c=
harged it, but no change.  Tried a brand new battery, but still no movement.=

>=20
> =20
>=20
> Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away o=
n the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?=

>=20
> =20
>=20
> It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels n=
ot fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after=
 removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no=
 more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon l=
ose interest in this manoeuvre.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on=
 and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve g=
ear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Any opinions out there?
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> =20
>=20
> Many thanks
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> =20
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> Patrick Quinn
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> Blue Mountains, Australia
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> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jus=
t thought of another possibility: I=E2=80=99ve had solenoids going bad that e=
xhibited similar symptoms. Try bypassing the solenoid (can be done with a co=
uple large screwdrivers or jumper cable).</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite">On May 22, 2022, at 9:32 AM, jim via Healeys &lt;healeys@a=
utox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydp65a6404ayahoo-style-wrap" style=3D=
"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><=
div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">High resistance in heavy curr=
ent path from battery to starter (likely corrosion) to ground<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f=
alse"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">(battery)--&gt;&gt;--=
(solenoid)--&gt;&gt;--starter--&gt;&gt;--(ground)measure voltage across sole=
noid (could have high resistance contacts when operated)</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Ji=
m</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">connect v=
oltmeter between battery and solenoid, note voltage (should be zero) try sta=
rt, note voltage (should still be zero), section out heavy current path acco=
rdingly ...<br></div><div><br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"ydp8c107327yahoo_quoted_3764966578" class=3D"ydp8c1=
07327yahoo_quoted">
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ns-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick &amp; C=
aroline Quinn via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204"><div><div class=3D=
"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204M=
soNormal">Hello</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p=
><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">A problem to consider.</p><p=
 class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107=
327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early=
 C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no u=
se.</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D=
"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Solenoid clicks, but no movement from th=
e engine. Must be the battery so charged it, but no change.&nbsp; Tried a br=
and new battery, but still no movement.</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055=
204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Out c=
omes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the f=
loor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?</p><p c=
lass=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c10732=
7yiv3792055204MsoNormal">It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by h=
and. Gearbox tunnels not fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leav=
er the flywheel, after removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of=
 the ring gear, but no more. It moves back the same in the other direction, b=
ut no further. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvre. </p><p class=3D"ydp8c10=
7327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204M=
soNormal">What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinkin=
g cap on and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as=
 valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv379=
2055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">=
Any opinions out there?</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &=
nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Many thanks</p><p cl=
ass=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327=
yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv379205520=
4MsoNormal">Blue Mountains, Australia</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv379205520=
4MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp=
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From: jim via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 04:44:45 +0000 (UTC)

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 Yep.=C2=A0 Heavy contacts can arc and corrode as well.

    On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 10:23:36 AM PDT, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast=
.net> wrote: =20
=20
 Just thought of another possibility: I=E2=80=99ve had solenoids going bad =
that exhibited similar symptoms. Try bypassing the solenoid (can be done wi=
th a couple large screwdrivers or jumper cable).

On May 22, 2022, at 9:32 AM, jim via Healeys <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

=EF=BB=BF High resistance in heavy current path from battery to starter (li=
kely corrosion) to ground

(battery)-->>--(solenoid)-->>--starter-->>--(ground)measure voltage across =
solenoid (could have high resistance contacts when operated)
Jim

connect voltmeter between battery and solenoid, note voltage (should be zer=
o) try start, note voltage (should still be zero), section out heavy curren=
t path accordingly ...

    On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via =
Healeys <[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
=20
Hello

 =C2=A0

A problem to consider.

 =C2=A0

Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Re=
built about five years back, but seen next to no use.

 =C2=A0

Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery so ch=
arged it, but no change.=C2=A0 Tried a brand new battery, but still no move=
ment.

 =C2=A0

Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on=
 the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?

 =C2=A0

It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels no=
t fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after=
 removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but n=
o more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon=
 lose interest in this manoeuvre.=20

 =C2=A0

What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on =
and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve g=
ear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?

 =C2=A0

Any opinions out there?

 =C2=A0

Many thanks

 =C2=A0

Patrick Quinn

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

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;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Yep.&nbsp; Heavy contacts ca=
n arc and corrode as well.<br></div><div><br></div>
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6800bcyahoo_quoted">
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                    On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 10:23:36 AM PDT, Bob Spidell &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Just thought of another possibility: I=E2=80=99=
ve had solenoids going bad that exhibited similar symptoms. Try bypassing t=
he solenoid (can be done with a couple large screwdrivers or jumper cable).=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180yqtfd09713" class=
=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180yqt5435803136"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">On May 22, 2022, at 9:32 AM, jim via Healeys &lt;healeys@autox=
.team.net&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></di=
v></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"ydp7f6800bcyi=
v9773775180yqtfd66100" class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180yqt5435803136">=EF=
=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-seri=
f;font-size:13px;" class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp65a6404ayahoo-style-=
wrap"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">High resistance in heavy current path from battery=
 to starter (likely corrosion) to ground<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">(battery)--&gt;&gt;--(solenoid)--&gt;&gt;--starter--&gt;&=
gt;--(ground)measure voltage across solenoid (could have high resistance co=
ntacts when operated)</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Jim</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">connect voltmeter between bat=
tery and solenoid, note voltage (should be zero) try start, note voltage (s=
hould still be zero), section out heavy current path accordingly ...<br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yahoo_quoted_37=
64966578" class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick &amp;=
 Caroline Quinn via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv37920=
55204"><div><div class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv3792055204W=
ordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv3792055204Ms=
oNormal">Hello</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv3792055=
204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv=
3792055204MsoNormal">A problem to consider.</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv97=
73775180ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800=
bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Went to turn the engine o=
ver in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years ba=
ck, but seen next to no use.</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c10=
7327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180=
ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Solenoid clicks, but no movement from th=
e engine. Must be the battery so charged it, but no change.&nbsp; Tried a b=
rand new battery, but still no movement.</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv97737=
75180ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcy=
iv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Out comes the starter and co=
nnect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the floor. Perhaps the orig=
inal Lucas starter is breaking down under load?</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcy=
iv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp7f=
6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">It occurs to me to tr=
y and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels not fitted so easy to w=
ield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after removing the spark p=
lugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no more. It moves back=
 the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon lose interest in thi=
s manoeuvre. </p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv37920552=
04MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv3=
792055204MsoNormal">What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn ov=
er? Thinking cap on and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the en=
gine such as valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?</p><p class=3D"ydp7=
f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=
=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Any opinions=
 out there?</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv3792055204=
MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c107327yiv379=
2055204MsoNormal">Many thanks</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv9773775180ydp8c1=
07327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800bcyiv977377518=
0ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn</p><p class=3D"ydp7f6800b=
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