Subject: [Healeys] It's not the starter

From: Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 21:26:16 +1000

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Hello

A problem to consider.

Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder.
Rebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no use.

Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery so
charged it, but no change.  Tried a brand new battery, but still no
movement.

Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on
the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?

It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels not
fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after
removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no
more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon
lose interest in this manoeuvre. 

What's up? Why won't the engine turn over? Thinking cap on and perhaps it's
something at the top of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there is a
bent valve?

Any opinions out there?

Many thanks

Patrick Quinn

Blue Mountains, Australia

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1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hello<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A problem to consider.<o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Went to turn the en=
gine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five ye=
ars back, but seen next to no use.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Solenoid clicks, but no movement from =
the engine. Must be the battery so charged it, but no change.&nbsp; Tried a=
 brand new battery, but still no movement.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Out comes the starter and conn=
ect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the floor. Perhaps the origin=
al Lucas starter is breaking down under load?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>It occurs to me to try and =
turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels not fitted so easy to wield a=
 large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after removing the spark plugs. =
It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no more. It moves back the s=
ame in the other direction, but no further. Soon lose interest in this mano=
euvre. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>What&#8217;s up? Why won&#8217;t the engine turn over? Thinking c=
ap on and perhaps it&#8217;s something at the top of the engine such as val=
ve gear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Any opinions out there?<o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Many th=
anks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal>Patrick Quinn<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Blue Mountains, Aus=
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Patrick- whenever I set an engine away for a time I remove the plugs=0Aa=
nd spray some "fogging oil" into the cylinders-keeps rings and bore=0Afr=
om oxidation. Then when starting, it is free to move without=0Aresistanc=
e. A good place to turn over the engine by hand is the crank=0Apully nut=
 using a socket and long bar. If too wide, use a big 1 -7/16=0Aopen wren=
ch (spanner). You should be able to rotate it thru=0Acompression each st=
roke.=0AIf all that works. then I agree with everyone else that there is=
=0Aresistance or corrosion on the electrical connections. Don't know if=
=0Athe BN3 had a master switch but that is one source of issues. I find=
=0Aon my 100, 2-six volt connections, that the rear crossover cable=0Ahe=
lmet must be in perfect contact or it will click the solenoid.=0AYes, on=
ly two issue-one mechanical and the other electrical-hope for=0Apoor con=
nections. Regards, Hank=0A=0A=09----------------------------------------=
-From: "Bob Spidell" =0ATo: "jim"=0ACc: [email-masked]=0ASent: S=
unday May 22 2022 10:24:17AM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] It's not the start=
er=0A=0A  Just thought of another possibility: I=E2=80=99ve had solenoid=
s going bad=0Athat exhibited similar symptoms. Try bypassing the solenoi=
d (can be=0Adone with a couple large screwdrivers or jumper cable). =0AO=
n May 22, 2022, at 9:32 AM, jim via Healeys  wrote:=0A=0A   =EF=BB=BF  H=
igh resistance in heavy current path from battery to starter=0A(likely c=
orrosion) to ground=0A=0A  (battery)-->>--(solenoid)-->>--starter-->>--(=
ground)measure voltage=0Aacross solenoid (could have high resistance con=
tacts when operated) =0A Jim =0A=0A connect voltmeter between battery an=
d solenoid, note voltage (should=0Abe zero) try start, note voltage (sho=
uld still be zero), section out=0Aheavy current path accordingly ...=0A=
=0A    On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick & Caroline Quin=
n=0Avia Healeys  wrote: =0A=0A=09Hello =0A=0A=09A problem to consider.=
 =0A=0A=09Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series=0As=
ix-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no use. =0A=
=0A=09Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the batt=
ery=0Aso charged it, but no change. Tried a brand new battery, but still=
 no=0Amovement. =0A=0A=09Out comes the starter and connect it straight t=
o the battery. Whirr=0Aaway on the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas sta=
rter is breaking down=0Aunder load? =0A=0A=09It occurs to me to try and=
 turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox=0Atunnels not fitted so easy to w=
ield a large screwdriver to leaver the=0Aflywheel, after removing the sp=
ark plugs. It moves about six teeth of=0Athe ring gear, but no more. It=
 moves back the same in the other=0Adirection, but no further. Soon lose=
 interest in this manoeuvre. =0A=0A=09What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=
=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on and=0Aperhaps it=E2=80=99s so=
mething at the top of the engine such as valve gear.=0APerhaps there is=
 a bent valve? =0A=0A=09Any opinions out there? =0A=0A=09Many thanks =0A=
=0A=09Patrick Quinn =0A=0A=09Blue Mountains, Australia =0A=0A=09=09 [1]=
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<html><body>Patrick- whenever I set an engine away for a time I remove t=
he plugs and spray some "fogging oil" into the cylinders-keeps rings and=
 bore from oxidation. Then when starting, it is free to move without res=
istance.&nbsp; A good place to turn over the engine by hand is the crank=
 pully nut using a socket and long bar. If too wide, use a big 1 -7/16 o=
pen wrench (spanner). You should be able to rotate it thru compression e=
ach stroke.<div><br></div><div>If all that works. then I agree with ever=
yone else that there is resistance or corrosion on the electrical connec=
tions. Don't know if the BN3 had a master switch but that is one source=
 of issues. I find on my 100, 2-six volt connections, that the rear cros=
sover cable helmet must be in perfect contact or it will click the solen=
oid.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, only two issue-one mechanical and the=
 other electrical-hope for poor connections. Regards, Hank<br><br><div c=
lass=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>----------------------------------=
-------</p>From: "Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]><br>To: "jim"<br>Cc=
: [email-masked]<br>Sent: Sunday May 22 2022 10:24:17AM<br>Subje=
ct: Re: [Healeys] It's not the starter<br><br>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr"></div>=
=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Just thought of another possibility: I=E2=80=99ve ha=
d=0Asolenoids going bad that exhibited similar symptoms. Try bypassing=
=0Athe solenoid (can be done with a couple large screwdrivers or=0Ajumpe=
r cable).</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote>On May 22, 2022, at 9=
:32 AM, jim via=0AHealeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br><=
/blockquote>=0A</div>=0A<blockquote>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=0A<div=
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eue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">=
High resistance in heavy current=0Apath from battery to starter (likely=
 corrosion) to ground<br></div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=0A<div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">=0A(battery)--&gt;&gt;--(solenoid=
)--&gt;&gt;--starter--&gt;&gt;--(ground)measure=0Avoltage across solenoi=
d (could have high resistance contacts when=0Aoperated)</div>=0A<div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Jim</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">connect voltmete=
r between=0Abattery and solenoid, note voltage (should be zero) try star=
t, note=0Avoltage (should still be zero), section out heavy current path=
=0Aaccordingly ...<br></div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A</div>=0A<div class=3D"=
ydp8c107327yahoo_quoted">=0A<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',=
 Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">=0A<div>On=
 Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick &amp; Caroline=0AQuinn v=
ia Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div>=0A<div><br></div>=
=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<div class=3D"ydp8c107327yi=
v3792055204WordSection1">=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNorma=
l">Hello</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=
=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">A problem to=0Aconside=
r.</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p=
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ver in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt=0Aabout five yea=
rs back, but seen next to no use.</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv379205=
5204MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNorma=
l">Solenoid clicks, but=0Ano movement from the engine. Must be the batte=
ry so charged it, but=0Ano change.&nbsp; Tried a brand new battery, but=
 still no=0Amovement.</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNorma=
l">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Out comes=
 the starter=0Aand connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the=
 floor.=0APerhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load=
?</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p c=
lass=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">It occurs to me to try=0Aand=
 turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels not fitted so=0Aeasy to w=
ield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after=0Aremoving the sp=
ark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring=0Agear, but no more. It=
 moves back the same in the other direction,=0Abut no further. Soon lose=
 interest in this manoeuvre.</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204M=
soNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Wh=
at=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t=0Athe engine turn over? Thinking cap=
 on and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at=0Athe top of the engine such a=
s valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent=0Avalve?</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c10=
7327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv37920=
55204MsoNormal">Any opinions out=0Athere?</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327y=
iv3792055204MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204=
MsoNormal">Many thanks</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNorm=
al">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Patrick=
 Quinn</p>=0A<p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Blue Mountai=
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