Subject: Re: [Healeys] It's not the starter

From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 05:44:46 -0700

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Something to consider, which might be germane:

My dad and I rebuilt our BN2's engine, having the head done by a pro. 
When we reassembled the drivetrain, I put a good, thick coat of Moss's 
'Healey Engine Green' on all parts, painting the engine and gearbox/OD 
separately. Once we got the drivetrain in the car, and at least had a 
'running' chassis I would drive it short distances, then the car was put 
on hold while Dad endured throat cancer treatment. I'm not sure when the 
problem started, but at some point the car became difficult to start at 
times; sometimes it would start right up--though I did think it cranked 
a bit slow--and others it would barely turn over, if at all. We charged 
the batteries repeatedly--one time Dad cross-wired the jumpers somehow 
and actually got a hydrogen gas explosion, only sheepishly only 
admitting 'It needed new batteries' (I got the whole story later)--but 
there was no improvement. Dad suspected we didn't have good connections 
on the battery/starter cable; we had to use oxy/acetylene to get what 
appeared to be good solder connections but, eventually, after Dad died, 
I pulled the starter and sent it to Mike Martinez at Star Auto Electric 
for a rebuild, but that didn't help either. My thinking on fasteners 
keeps evolving, but when I'd first fitted the starter to the engine 
backplate I'd used grade 8 flat washers under split washers, but at some 
point I decided to just use the split washers and, to my amazement it's 
cranked beautifully since then. Apparently, the thick coat of paint 
under the flat washers created enough resistance to hinder starter 
operation, and the sharp ends of the split washers pierced the paint and 
gave good ground. It's not surprising you can't move the starter ring 
much, if you're on the bottom of a compression stroke.

TL;DR: check all your grounds. You might have some unseen corrosion from 
sitting.

Bob

On 5/22/2022 4:26 AM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> A problem to consider.
>
> Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series 
> six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no use.
>
> Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery 
> so charged it, but no change. Tried a brand new battery, but still no 
> movement.
>
> Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr 
> away on the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down 
> under load?
>
> It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox 
> tunnels not fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the 
> flywheel, after removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of 
> the ring gear, but no more. It moves back the same in the other 
> direction, but no further. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvre.
>
> What’s up? Why won’t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on and perhaps 
> it’s something at the top of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps 
> there is a bent valve?
>
> Any opinions out there?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Patrick Quinn
>
> Blue Mountains, Australia
>
>

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    Something to consider, which might be germane: <br>
    <br>
    My dad and I rebuilt our BN2's engine, having the head done by a
    pro. When we reassembled the drivetrain, I put a good, thick coat of
    Moss's 'Healey Engine Green' on all parts, painting the engine and
    gearbox/OD separately. Once we got the drivetrain in the car, and at
    least had a 'running' chassis I would drive it short distances, then
    the car was put on hold while Dad endured throat cancer treatment.
    I'm not sure when the problem started, but at some point the car
    became difficult to start at times; sometimes it would start right
    up--though I did think it cranked a bit slow--and others it would
    barely turn over, if at all. We charged the batteries
    repeatedly--one time Dad cross-wired the jumpers somehow and
    actually got a hydrogen gas explosion, only sheepishly only
    admitting 'It needed new batteries' (I got the whole story
    later)--but there was no improvement. Dad suspected we didn't have
    good connections on the battery/starter cable; we had to use
    oxy/acetylene to get what appeared to be good solder connections
    but, eventually, after Dad died, I pulled the starter and sent it to
    Mike Martinez at Star Auto Electric for a rebuild, but that didn't
    help either. My thinking on fasteners keeps evolving, but when I'd
    first fitted the starter to the engine backplate I'd used grade 8
    flat washers under split washers, but at some point I decided to
    just use the split washers and, to my amazement it's cranked
    beautifully since then. Apparently, the thick coat of paint under
    the flat washers created enough resistance to hinder starter
    operation, and the sharp ends of the split washers pierced the paint
    and gave good ground. It's not surprising you can't move the starter
    ring much, if you're on the bottom of a compression stroke.<br>
    <br>
    TL;DR: check all your grounds. You might have some unseen corrosion
    from sitting.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An
          early C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back,
          but seen next to no use.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the
          engine. Must be the battery so charged it, but no change. 
          Tried a brand new battery, but still no movement.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Out comes the starter and connect it
          straight to the battery. Whirr away on the floor. Perhaps the
          original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">It occurs to me to try and turn the engine
          over by hand. Gearbox tunnels not fitted so easy to wield a
          large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after removing the
          spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no
          more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no
          further. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvre. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">What’s up? Why won’t the engine turn over?
          Thinking cap on and perhaps it’s something at the top of the
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Any opinions out there?<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Blue Mountains, Australia<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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From: Bob Begani via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 08:52:10 -0400

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Patrick:

Started many old cars with 6 cylinder and V8 engines as a teenager by taking
out the spark plugs and putting light machine oil in the cylinders.  Then
with 2 or 3 friends pushing the car down the driveway to gain speed they
will turn over.  Sometimes they even start.  Once we had to use more oil and
push the car very slowly with another car several blocks as the engine
frozen.  Afterwards, it ran well. As your pistons move it should start
easily. If it turns over with the starter afterward but, does not start you
have more to do.

Regards,

Bob Begani 

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Patrick &
Caroline Quinn via Healeys
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2022 7:26 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Healeys] It's not the starter

Hello

A problem to consider.

Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder.
Rebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no use.

Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery so
charged it, but no change.  Tried a brand new battery, but still no
movement.

Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on
the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?

It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels not
fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after
removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no
more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon
lose interest in this manoeuvre. 

What's up? Why won't the engine turn over? Thinking cap on and perhaps it's
something at the top of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there is a
bent valve?

Any opinions out there?

Many thanks

Patrick Quinn

 

 
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p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Started many =
old cars with 6 cylinder and V8 engines as a teenager by taking out the =
spark plugs and putting light machine oil in the cylinders.&nbsp; Then =
with 2 or 3 friends pushing the car down the driveway to gain speed they =
will turn over.&nbsp; Sometimes they even start.&nbsp; Once we had to =
use more oil and push the car very slowly with another car several =
blocks as the engine frozen.&nbsp; Afterwards, it ran well. As your =
pistons move it should start easily. If it turns over with the starter =
afterward but, does not start you have more to =
do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May =
22, 2022 7:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[Healeys] It's not the starter<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>Hello<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-AU><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>A problem to consider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-AU><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-AU>Went to turn the engine over in the =
BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back, but =
seen next to no use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-AU><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be =
the battery so charged it, but no change.&nbsp; Tried a brand new =
battery, but still no movement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-AU><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-AU>Out comes the starter and connect =
it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the floor. Perhaps the =
original Lucas starter is breaking down under =
load?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-AU><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. =
Gearbox tunnels not fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to =
leaver the flywheel, after removing the spark plugs. It moves about six =
teeth of the ring gear, but no more. It moves back the same in the other =
direction, but no further. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvre. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-AU><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>What&#8217;s up? Why won&#8217;t the engine turn over? =
Thinking cap on and perhaps it&#8217;s something at the top of the =
engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent =
valve?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-AU><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>Any opinions out there?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-AU><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-AU>Many thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-AU><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-AU>Patrick =
Quinn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-AU>Blue =
Mountains, Australia<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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When you reinstalled the flywheel, did you use the same bolts or did you re=
place them? If you replace them, did you use bolts of the same length, if n=
ot they could be too long  and prevent the flywheel to turn and it is jammi=
ng.

Jean

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Sent: May 22, 2022 6:27 AM
Subject: [Healeys] It's not the starter

Hello

A problem to consider.

Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Re=
built about five years back, but seen next to no use.

Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery so ch=
arged it, but no change.  Tried a brand new battery, but still no movement.

Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on=
 the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?

It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels no=
t fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after=
 removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but n=
o more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon=
 lose interest in this manoeuvre.

What=92s up? Why won=92t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on and perhaps =
it=92s something at the top of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there=
 is a bent valve?

Any opinions out there?

Many thanks

Patrick Quinn

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">When you reinstalled the flywheel, did you use the s=
ame bolts or did you replace them? If you replace them, did you use bolts o=
f the same length, if not they could be too long&nbsp; and prevent the flyw=
heel to turn and it is jamming.</p>
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<b>Sent: </b>May 22, 2022 6:27 AM<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>[Healeys] It's not the starter</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">A problem to consider.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylind=
er. Rebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no use.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery=
 so charged it, but no change.&nbsp; Tried a brand new battery, but still n=
o movement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr a=
way on the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under=
 load?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunn=
els not fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel,=
 after removing the spark plugs. It moves
 about six teeth of the ring gear, but no more. It moves back the same in t=
he other direction, but no further. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvre.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">What=92s up? Why won=92t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on and pe=
rhaps it=92s something at the top of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps=
 there is a bent valve?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Any opinions out there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Many thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
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Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 16:31:19 +0000 (UTC)

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 High resistance in heavy current path from battery to starter (likely corr=
osion) to ground

(battery)-->>--(solenoid)-->>--starter-->>--(ground)measure voltage across =
solenoid (could have high resistance contacts when operated)
Jim

connect voltmeter between battery and solenoid, note voltage (should be zer=
o) try start, note voltage (should still be zero), section out heavy curren=
t path accordingly ...

    On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via =
Healeys <[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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=20
Hello

 =C2=A0

A problem to consider.

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery so ch=
arged it, but no change.=C2=A0 Tried a brand new battery, but still no move=
ment.

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 lose interest in this manoeuvre.=20

 =C2=A0

What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on =
and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve g=
ear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?

 =C2=A0

Any opinions out there?

 =C2=A0

Many thanks

 =C2=A0

Patrick Quinn

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">High resistance in heavy cur=
rent path from battery to starter (likely corrosion) to ground<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">(battery)--&gt;=
&gt;--(solenoid)--&gt;&gt;--starter--&gt;&gt;--(ground)measure voltage acro=
ss solenoid (could have high resistance contacts when operated)</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"=
false">Jim</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">connect voltmeter between battery and solenoid, note voltage (should b=
e zero) try start, note voltage (should still be zero), section out heavy c=
urrent path accordingly ...<br></div><div><br></div>
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                <div>
                    On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 04:35:44 AM PDT, Patrick &amp;=
 Caroline Quinn via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055=
204MsoNormal">Hello</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbs=
p;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">A problem to consider.=
</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"y=
dp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. =
An early C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back, but seen nex=
t to no use.</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><=
p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Solenoid clicks, but no movem=
ent from the engine. Must be the battery so charged it, but no change.&nbsp=
; Tried a brand new battery, but still no movement.</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107=
327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204M=
soNormal">Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whi=
rr away on the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down u=
nder load?</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p =
class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">It occurs to me to try and turn=
 the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels not fitted so easy to wield a lar=
ge screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after removing the spark plugs. It m=
oves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no more. It moves back the same =
in the other direction, but no further. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvr=
e. </p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=
=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t=
 the engine turn over? Thinking cap on and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something a=
t the top of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?<=
/p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yd=
p8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Any opinions out there?</p><p class=3D"ydp=
8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv379205=
5204MsoNormal">Many thanks</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal=
"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn</=
p><p class=3D"ydp8c107327yiv3792055204MsoNormal">Blue Mountains, Australia<=
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Do you have a horoscope? You could take a look in the cylinders.

If they look good, consider checking the starter contactor. If the battery
is good, starter is good and no obvious issues in the cylinders, maybe try
pulling the spark plugs and see if you can turn it over.

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> Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away
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> not fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel,
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<div dir=3D"auto">Do you have a horoscope? You could take a look in the cyl=
inders.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If they look good, con=
sider checking the starter contactor. If the battery is good, starter is go=
od and no obvious issues in the cylinders, maybe try pulling the spark plug=
s and see if you can turn it over.<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_sign=
ature" dir=3D"auto">________________<br>Best Regards,<br>Al Fuller</div></d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Sun, May 22, 2022, 7:27 AM Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn via Healeys &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-AU" link=3D=
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A problem to consider.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Went to turn the engine over in the BN=
3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back, but seen =
next to no use.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engin=
e. Must be the battery so charged it, but no change.=C2=A0 Tried a brand ne=
w battery, but still no movement.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Out comes the starter and con=
nect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the floor. Perhaps the origi=
nal Lucas starter is breaking down under load?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It occurs to me =
to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels not fitted so easy=
 to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after removing the sp=
ark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no more. It moves=
 back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon lose interest i=
n this manoeuvre. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the eng=
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p of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?<u></u><u=
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6 teeth sounds like a seized cam or something else preventing it from
turning.  I would remove the front cover an take a look there first.

M

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> If they look good, consider checking the starter contactor. If the batter=
y
> is good, starter is good and no obvious issues in the cylinders, maybe tr=
y
>> after removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gea=
r,
>> but no more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no furth=
er.
>> What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap =
on and perhaps
>> it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve gear. Perh=
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<div dir=3D"auto">6 teeth sounds like a seized cam or something else preven=
ting it from turning.=C2=A0 I would remove the front cover an take a look t=
here first.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon., Ma=
y 23, 2022, 5:00 a.m. Al Fuller via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@=
autox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Do you have a horoscope? You could tak=
e a look in the cylinders.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If =
they look good, consider checking the starter contactor. If the battery is =
good, starter is good and no obvious issues in the cylinders, maybe try pul=
ling the spark plugs and see if you can turn it over.<br><br><div data-smar=
tmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto">________________<br>Best Regards,<br=
>Al Fuller</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 22, 2022, 7:27 AM Patrick &amp; Caroline =
Quinn via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-AU" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"=
#954F72" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">A problem to consider.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Went to turn the engine over =
in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back, =
but seen next to no use.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
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the engine. Must be the battery so charged it, but no change.=C2=A0 Tried a=
 brand new battery, but still no movement.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Out comes the starte=
r and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the floor. Perhaps =
the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It occu=
rs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels not fitte=
d so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after removi=
ng the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no more.=
 It moves back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon lose i=
nterest in this manoeuvre. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99=
t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something =
at the top of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?=
<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
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Patrick

The first test is to switch on the headlight. If they go partially out when
you get the 'click' then the starter is receiving power. Then you can look
for a jammed starter or an engine that will not turn. Occasionally starters
will jam and that is why there is a square end under a pull-off cover that
can be turned to release the jam. If it is a bad connection but not an open
circuit then leave the 'click' on for a while you can then feel all the
connections for bad contacts. They might be hot so be careful.  Another
check is, does the starter move and engages but does not turn the engine.
This is hard to tell because it is hard to see. However, you can turn the
starter back to make sure it is not engaged so that when you 'click' you
will see the starter rotate.

If the lights don't change then it might be a fault in the starter where
the brushes have worn down too much. All this assumes that the battery is
good and fully charged.

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>> If they look good, consider checking the starter contactor. If the
>> battery is good, starter is good and no obvious issues in the cylinders,
>> maybe try pulling the spark plugs and see if you can turn it over.
>>
>> ________________
>> Best Regards,
>> Al Fuller
>>
>>> Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder=
.
>>> Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery s=
o
>>> Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr awa=
y
>>> It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnel=
s
>>> after removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring ge=
ar,
>>> but no more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no furt=
her.
>>> What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap=
 on and perhaps
>>> it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve gear. Per=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Patrick<div><br></div><div>The first test is to switch=C2=
=A0on the headlight. If they go partially out when you get the &#39;click&#=
39; then the starter is receiving=C2=A0power. Then you can look for a jamme=
d starter or an engine that will not turn. Occasionally=C2=A0starters will =
jam and that is why there is a square=C2=A0end under a pull-off cover that =
can be turned to release the jam. If it is a bad connection but not an open=
 circuit then leave the &#39;click&#39; on for a while you can then feel al=
l the connections for bad contacts. They might be hot so be careful.=C2=A0 =
Another check is, does the starter move and engages but does not turn the e=
ngine. This is hard to tell because it is hard to see. However, you can tur=
n the starter back to make sure it is not engaged so that when you &#39;cli=
ck&#39; you will see the starter rotate.</div><div><br></div><div>If the li=
ghts don&#39;t change then it might be a fault in the starter where the bru=
shes=C2=A0have worn down too much. All this assumes that the battery is goo=
d and fully charged.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 23 May 2022=
 at 09:07, Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mi=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">6 teeth sounds like a seized cam or =
something else preventing it from turning.=C2=A0 I would remove the front c=
over an take a look there first.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Mon., May 23, 2022, 5:00 a.m. Al Fuller via Healeys, &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
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n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"auto">Do you have a horoscope? You could take a look in the c=
ylinders.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If they look good, c=
onsider checking the starter contactor. If the battery is good, starter is =
good and no obvious issues in the cylinders, maybe try pulling the spark pl=
ugs and see if you can turn it over.<br><br><div dir=3D"auto">_____________=
___<br>Best Regards,<br>Al Fuller</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 22, 2022, 7:27 AM =
Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div=
 lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Hello<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A problem to consider.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Went to turn the=
 engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five=
 years back, but seen next to no use.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Solenoid clicks, but no m=
ovement from the engine. Must be the battery so charged it, but no change.=
=C2=A0 Tried a brand new battery, but still no movement.<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Out co=
mes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the f=
loor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?<u></u=
><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tun=
nels not fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel=
, after removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear=
, but no more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no furthe=
r. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvre. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What=E2=80=99s up? Wh=
y won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on and perhaps it=E2=80=
=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there i=
s a bent valve?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Any opinions out there?<u></u><u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Many thanks=
<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
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From: Al Fuller via Healeys <[email-masked]>
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LoL, darn autocorrect!

________________
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 12:54 AM David Leong via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Yes. I=E2=80=99m a Capricorn, but I still can=E2=80=99t see into the cyli=
nders
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dave*
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 22, 2022 8:00 PM
> *To:* Patrick & Caroline Quinn <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* AH Mail List <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] It's not the starter
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<div dir=3D"auto">LoL, darn autocorrect!<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmai=
l_signature">________________<br>Best Regards,<br>Al Fuller</div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Ma=
y 23, 2022, 12:54 AM David Leong via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@=
autox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">

<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_443248347341170333WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Yes. I=E2=80=99m a Capricorn, but I s=
till can=E2=80=99t see into the cylinders<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:20.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Brush Script MT&quot;;color:#2626d4">Dave</span></i></b><span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healey=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 22, 2022 8:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.=
com.au" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br=
<b>Cc:</b> AH Mail List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] It&#39;s not the starter<u></u><u></u></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you have a horoscope? You could take a look in th=
e cylinders.
<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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Hello

Thank you to all who replied.

It remains a mystery. I had an AH owning mechanic here today to trying a
work out what's happening with the engine of the BN3.

Plugs are out as is the starter. By putting a mark on the harmonic balancer
and the use of a large screwdriver we found out that the engine will turn a
quarter turn and back the other way a quarter turn before it stops solid.

So it will be a process of elimination starting with an endoscope in a few
days. The radiator has been removed (no mean feat as it comes out via the
grille opening) to gain access to the crankshaft nut and timing cover.

Will keep you informed.

Hoo Roo

Patrick Quinn

Sent: Sunday, 22 May 2022 9:26 PM

Hello

A problem to consider.

Any opinions out there?

Many thanks

Patrick Quinn

 

 

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hello<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you to =
all who replied.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>It remains a =
mystery. I had an AH owning mechanic here today to trying a work out =
what&#8217;s happening with the engine of the BN3.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Plugs are =
out as is the starter. By putting a mark on the harmonic balancer and =
the use of a large screwdriver we found out that the engine will turn a =
quarter turn and back the other way a quarter turn before it stops =
solid.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So it will be a process of elimination starting with =
an endoscope in a few days. The radiator has been removed (no mean feat =
as it comes out via the grille opening) to gain access to the crankshaft =
nut and timing cover.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Will keep =
you informed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hoo Roo<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Patrick =
Quinn<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Blue Mountains, =
Australia<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick &amp; =
Caroline Quinn via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 22 May 2022 9:26 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] =
It's not the starter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hello<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A problem to =
consider.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early =
C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back, but seen next to =
no use.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must =
be the battery so charged it, but no change.&nbsp; Tried a brand new =
battery, but still no movement.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Out comes =
the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the =
floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under =
load?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by =
hand. Gearbox tunnels not fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to =
leaver the flywheel, after removing the spark plugs. It moves about six =
teeth of the ring gear, but no more. It moves back the same in the other =
direction, but no further. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvre. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What&#8217;s up? Why won&#8217;t the engine turn over? =
Thinking cap on and perhaps it&#8217;s something at the top of the =
engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent =
valve?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Any opinions out there?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Many =
thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Patrick Quinn<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Blue =
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