Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive not releasing

From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 17:26:30 +0100

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Back in mid-April I posted a long and detailed question with regard to my
OD, how it didn't appear to be coming out of overdrive. This being
subsequent to it frying its solenoid.

I received a LOT of detailed suggestions and advice for which I am, as ever,
very grateful.

I thought that I'd bring you up to date with the issue which is, cross
fingers, resolved.

So..I was able to determine that it was not stuck in overdrive so that was a
relief.

I was further able to determine that I could set it by every means from a
dial gauge, the drill bit, guesstimates, whatever. I'd set it and it would
seem to be "just right". But when I got the engine running and the box in
3rd or 4th and running at +/- 500psi, it all went wrong.

I tried everything, spent hours on it. Could NOT get the bloody thing to
work. 

In the end, I took the gearbox out and lugged it up to OD Spares about 190
miles away. Not a huge distance, I know, but a PITA with our congested
motorways. The deal was that they'd start on it as soon as I arrived, 08:30,
and keep going until it was fixed.

Dave - he's pretty much The Man on ODs over here - found two issues which,
together, were causing the problem:-

1)      The solenoid had an intermittent failure which was internal ie no
amount of dicking around with the points could fix it. (Brand new, just out
of the box).

2)      More interestingly - and first time I've ever heard of this one -
the pinch lever thingie that's hooked onto the solenoid's plunger and which
turns the shaft.that could not be tightened up enough. What was happening
was this.it would do the business when there was no pressure in the OD and
I'd get it set. ie there was no resistance from the 500psi and the pinch was
just tight enough. Then, under pressure, it would slip and not be able to
move the rod that lifts the ball.

Particularly when taken together, I think that's a sensible synopsis of what
was going on.

Dave said what we all know.that the new "Lucas" solenoids are not really
Lucas at all..just made to look like Lucas. He gave me a used one out of
stock, genuine article. And he swapped my new pinch lever thingie for an
NOS. That last item was also brand new so you might look carefully at any
new ones that you buy. May be a bad batch out there..Simple enough to fix
it. Just run a hack saw through the split and make it a fraction wider.

Anyhow, the box is still on the garage floor and I just hope it'll all work
when I get it all back together.

Simon Lachlan

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link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Back in mid-April I posted a long and detailed =
question with regard to my OD, how it didn&#8217;t appear to be coming =
out of overdrive. This being subsequent to it frying its =
solenoid.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I received a LOT of =
detailed suggestions and advice for which I am, as ever, very =
grateful.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I thought that I&#8217;d =
bring you up to date with the issue which is, cross fingers, =
resolved.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So&#8230;&#8230;I was able to determine that it was =
not stuck in overdrive so that was a relief.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I was further able to determine that I could set it by =
every means from a dial gauge, the drill bit, guesstimates, whatever. =
I&#8217;d set it and it would seem to be &#8220;just right&#8221;. But =
when I got the engine running and the box in 3<sup>rd</sup> or =
4<sup>th</sup> and running at +/- 500psi, it all went =
wrong.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I tried everything, spent =
hours on it. Could NOT get the bloody thing to work. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In the end, I took the gearbox out and lugged it up to =
OD Spares about 190 miles away. Not a huge distance, I know, but a PITA =
with our congested motorways. The deal was that they&#8217;d start on it =
as soon as I arrived, 08:30, and keep going until it was =
fixed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dave =
&#8211; he&#8217;s pretty much The Man on ODs over here &#8211; found =
two issues which, together, were causing the problem:-<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-=
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>The solenoid had an intermittent =
failure which was internal ie no amount of dicking around with the =
points could fix it. (Brand new, just out of the =
box).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-=
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>More interestingly &#8211; and =
first time I&#8217;ve ever heard of this one &#8211; the pinch lever =
thingie that&#8217;s hooked onto the solenoid&#8217;s plunger and which =
turns the shaft&#8230;that could not be tightened up enough. What was =
happening was this&#8230;it would do the business when there was no =
pressure in the OD and I&#8217;d get it set. ie there was no resistance =
from the 500psi and the pinch was just tight enough. Then, under =
pressure, it would slip and not be able to move the rod that lifts the =
ball.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Particularly when taken together, I =
think that&#8217;s a sensible synopsis of what was going =
on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Dave said what we all =
know&#8230;that the new &#8220;Lucas&#8221; solenoids are not really =
Lucas at all&#8230;.just made to look like Lucas. He gave me a used one =
out of stock, genuine article. And he swapped my new pinch lever thingie =
for an NOS. That last item was also brand new so you might look =
carefully at any new ones that you buy. May be a bad batch out =
there&#8230;.Simple enough to fix it. Just run a hack saw through the =
split and make it a fraction wider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Anyhow, the box is still on the =
garage floor and I just hope it&#8217;ll all work when I get it all back =
together.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Simon =
Lachlan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></body></html>
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> On May 4, 2022, at 13:44, Roland Wilhelmy via Healeys <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Simon, you deserve a medal
>=20
>> On Wed, May 4, 2022, 9:29 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:
>> Back in mid-April I posted a long and detailed question with regard to my=
 OD, how it didn=E2=80=99t appear to be coming out of overdrive. This being s=
ubsequent to it frying its solenoid.
>>=20
>> I received a LOT of detailed suggestions and advice for which I am, as ev=
er, very grateful.
>>=20
>> I thought that I=E2=80=99d bring you up to date with the issue which is, c=
ross fingers, resolved.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> So=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6I was able to determine that it was not stuck in over=
drive so that was a relief.
>>=20
>> I was further able to determine that I could set it by every means from a=
 dial gauge, the drill bit, guesstimates, whatever. I=E2=80=99d set it and i=
t would seem to be =E2=80=9Cjust right=E2=80=9D. But when I got the engine r=
unning and the box in 3rd or 4th and running at +/- 500psi, it all went wron=
g.
>>=20
>> I tried everything, spent hours on it. Could NOT get the bloody thing to w=
ork.
>>=20
>> In the end, I took the gearbox out and lugged it up to OD Spares about 19=
0 miles away. Not a huge distance, I know, but a PITA with our congested mot=
orways. The deal was that they=E2=80=99d start on it as soon as I arrived, 0=
8:30, and keep going until it was fixed.
>>=20
>> Dave =E2=80=93 he=E2=80=99s pretty much The Man on ODs over here =E2=80=93=
 found two issues which, together, were causing the problem:-
>>=20
>> 1)      The solenoid had an intermittent failure which was internal ie no=
 amount of dicking around with the points could fix it. (Brand new, just out=
 of the box).
>>=20
>> 2)      More interestingly =E2=80=93 and first time I=E2=80=99ve ever hea=
rd of this one =E2=80=93 the pinch lever thingie that=E2=80=99s hooked onto t=
he solenoid=E2=80=99s plunger and which turns the shaft=E2=80=A6that could n=
ot be tightened up enough. What was happening was this=E2=80=A6it would do t=
he business when there was no pressure in the OD and I=E2=80=99d get it set.=
 ie there was no resistance from the 500psi and the pinch was just tight eno=
ugh. Then, under pressure, it would slip and not be able to move the rod tha=
t lifts the ball.
>>=20
>> Particularly when taken together, I think that=E2=80=99s a sensible synop=
sis of what was going on.
>>=20
>> Dave said what we all know=E2=80=A6that the new =E2=80=9CLucas=E2=80=9D s=
olenoids are not really Lucas at all=E2=80=A6.just made to look like Lucas. H=
e gave me a used one out of stock, genuine article. And he swapped my new pi=
nch lever thingie for an NOS. That last item was also brand new so you might=
 look carefully at any new ones that you buy. May be a bad batch out there=E2=
=80=A6.Simple enough to fix it. Just run a hack saw through the split and ma=
ke it a fraction wider.
>>=20
>> Anyhow, the box is still on the garage floor and I just hope it=E2=80=99l=
l all work when I get it all back together.
>>=20
>>=20
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=9F=91=8D</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 4, 2022=
, at 13:44, Roland Wilhelmy via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote=
:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<div dir=3D"auto">Simon, you deserve a medal</div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 4, 2022, 9:29 AM S=
imon Lachlan via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">heale=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div l=
ang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_-8669040587=
305027159WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Back in mid-April I posted a l=
ong and detailed question with regard to my OD, how it didn=E2=80=99t appear=
 to be coming out of overdrive. This being subsequent to it frying its solen=
oid.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I received a LOT of detailed su=
ggestions and advice for which I am, as ever, very grateful.<u></u><u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I thought that I=E2=80=99d bring you up to date wit=
h the issue which is, cross fingers, resolved.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=
I was able to determine that it was not stuck in overdrive so that was a rel=
ief.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was further able to determine=
 that I could set it by every means from a dial gauge, the drill bit, guesst=
imates, whatever. I=E2=80=99d set it and it would seem to be =E2=80=9Cjust r=
ight=E2=80=9D. But when I got the engine running and the box in 3<sup>rd</su=
p> or 4<sup>th</sup> and running at +/- 500psi, it all went wrong.<u></u><u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I tried everything, spent hours on it. Could N=
OT get the bloody thing to work. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In=
 the end, I took the gearbox out and lugged it up to OD Spares about 190 mil=
es away. Not a huge distance, I know, but a PITA with our congested motorway=
s. The deal was that they=E2=80=99d start on it as soon as I arrived, 08:30,=
 and keep going until it was fixed.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Dave =E2=80=93 he=E2=80=99s pretty much The Man on ODs over here =E2=80=93 f=
ound two issues which, together, were causing the problem:-<u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"m_-8669040587305027159MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span><span>1)<s=
pan style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; </span></span></span><u></u><span>The solenoid had an intermittent f=
ailure which was internal ie no amount of dicking around with the points cou=
ld fix it. (Brand new, just out of the box).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"m_-8669040587305027159MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span><span>2)<span styl=
e=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <=
/span></span></span><u></u><span>More interestingly =E2=80=93 and first time=
 I=E2=80=99ve ever heard of this one =E2=80=93 the pinch lever thingie that=E2=
=80=99s hooked onto the solenoid=E2=80=99s plunger and which turns the shaft=
=E2=80=A6that could not be tightened up enough. What was happening was this=E2=
=80=A6it would do the business when there was no pressure in the OD and I=E2=
=80=99d get it set. ie there was no resistance from the 500psi and the pinch=
 was just tight enough. Then, under pressure, it would slip and not be able t=
o move the rod that lifts the ball.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span>Particularly when taken together, I think that=E2=80=99s a sens=
ible synopsis of what was going on.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span>Dave said what we all know=E2=80=A6that the new =E2=80=9CLucas=E2=
=80=9D solenoids are not really Lucas at all=E2=80=A6.just made to look like=
 Lucas. He gave me a used one out of stock, genuine article. And he swapped m=
y new pinch lever thingie for an NOS. That last item was also brand new so y=
ou might look carefully at any new ones that you buy. May be a bad batch out=
 there=E2=80=A6.Simple enough to fix it. Just run a hack saw through the spl=
it and make it a fraction wider.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span>Anyhow, the box is still on the garage floor and I just hope it=E2=
=80=99ll all work when I get it all back together.<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Simon Lachlan<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
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