Subject: Re: [Healeys] It's not the starter

From: David Nock <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 06:38:08 -0700

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Which transmission is in the BN3. If you put a later clutch cover in a 3 spe=
ed trans. The cover will hit the bell housing, only allowing the engine to m=
ove a little turn. Same problem on the early BN4 transmission. There is a ca=
sting inside the housing that if you installed the later 3000 style clutch c=
over. It will hit and cause the problem you are explaining.=20

David Nock

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2022, at 11:38 PM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn <[email-masked]=
u> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hello
> =20
> Thank you to all who replied.
> =20
> It remains a mystery. I had an AH owning mechanic here today to trying a w=
ork out what=E2=80=99s happening with the engine of the BN3.
> =20
> Plugs are out as is the starter. By putting a mark on the harmonic balance=
r and the use of a large screwdriver we found out that the engine will turn a=
 quarter turn and back the other way a quarter turn before it stops solid.
> =20
> So it will be a process of elimination starting with an endoscope in a few=
 days. The radiator has been removed (no mean feat as it comes out via the g=
rille opening) to gain access to the crankshaft nut and timing cover.
> =20
> Will keep you informed.
> =20
> Hoo Roo
> =20
> Patrick Quinn
> Blue Mountains, Australia
> =20
> From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Patrick & Caro=
line Quinn via Healeys
> Sent: Sunday, 22 May 2022 9:26 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [Healeys] It's not the starter
> =20
> Hello
> =20
> A problem to consider.
> =20
> Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. R=
ebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no use.
> =20
> Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery so c=
harged it, but no change.  Tried a brand new battery, but still no movement.=

> =20
> Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away o=
n the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?=

> =20
> It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels n=
ot fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after=
 removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no=
 more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon l=
ose interest in this manoeuvre.
> =20
> What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on=
 and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve g=
ear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?
> =20
> Any opinions out there?
> =20
> Many thanks
> =20
> Patrick Quinn
> Blue Mountains, Australia
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Which transmission is in the BN3. If you pu=
t a later clutch cover in a 3 speed trans. The cover will hit the bell housi=
ng, only allowing the engine to move a little turn. Same problem on the earl=
y BN4 transmission. There is a casting inside the housing that if you instal=
led the later 3000 style clutch cover. It will hit and cause the problem you=
 are explaining.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>David Nock</div><div><br=
></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e">On May 27, 2022, at 11:38 PM, Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn &lt;p_cquinn@t=
pg.com.au&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
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oNormal">Hello<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you to all who replied.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It remains a mystery. I=
 had an AH owning mechanic here today to trying a work out what=E2=80=99s ha=
ppening with the engine of the BN3.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Plugs are out as is the starter. By=
 putting a mark on the harmonic balancer and the use of a large screwdriver w=
e found out that the engine will turn a quarter turn and back the other way a=
 quarter turn before it stops solid.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So it will be a process of elimina=
tion starting with an endoscope in a few days. The radiator has been removed=
 (no mean feat as it comes out via the grille opening) to gain access to the=
 crankshaft nut and timing cover.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Will keep you informed.<o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hoo Roo<=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Patrick Quinn<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Blue Mountains, Aust=
ralia<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div st=
yle=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-languag=
e:EN-AU">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:=
EN-AU"> Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>P=
atrick &amp; Caroline Quinn via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 22 May 2022 9=
:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] It'=
s not the starter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A problem to consider.<=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder=
. Rebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no use.<o:p></o:p></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Solenoid clic=
ks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery so charged it, but n=
o change.&nbsp; Tried a brand new battery, but still no movement.<o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Out c=
omes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the f=
loor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=
t occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels not f=
itted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after rem=
oving the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but no mor=
e. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon lose i=
nterest in this manoeuvre. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the en=
gine turn over? Thinking cap on and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the to=
p of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?<o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Any o=
pinions out there?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Many thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn<o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">Blue Mountains, Australia<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
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Hello

Thank you David.

It is a 100S gearbox with a grafted overdrive. It=E2=80=99s been like that =
since it was built by the DHMC in the early 1950s. Plus a BJ8 clutch and pr=
essure plate which was there when I bought it in 1974, so heavens knows whe=
re that came from.

No problems with that previously.

Hoo Roo

Patrick

From: David Nock <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Saturday, 28 May 2022 11:38 PM
To: Patrick & Caroline Quinn <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] It's not the starter

Which transmission is in the BN3. If you put a later clutch cover in a 3 sp=
eed trans. The cover will hit the bell housing, only allowing the engine to=
 move a little turn. Same problem on the early BN4 transmission. There is a=
 casting inside the housing that if you installed the later 3000 style clut=
ch cover. It will hit and cause the problem you are explaining. 

David Nock

Sent from my iPhone

On May 27, 2022, at 11:38 PM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn <[email-masked]=

=EF=BB=BF

Hello

It remains a mystery. I had an AH owning mechanic here today to trying a wo=
rk out what=E2=80=99s happening with the engine of the BN3.

Plugs are out as is the starter. By putting a mark on the harmonic balancer=
 and the use of a large screwdriver we found out that the engine will turn =
a quarter turn and back the other way a quarter turn before it stops solid.=

So it will be a process of elimination starting with an endoscope in a few =
days. The radiator has been removed (no mean feat as it comes out via the g=
rille opening) to gain access to the crankshaft nut and timing cover.

Will keep you informed.

Hoo Roo

Patrick Quinn

=2Eteam.net> > On Behalf Of Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys
Sent: Sunday, 22 May 2022 9:26 PM
Subject: [Healeys] It's not the starter

Hello

A problem to consider.

Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Re=
built about five years back, but seen next to no use.

Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery so ch=
arged it, but no change.  Tried a brand new battery, but still no movement.=

Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on=
 the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?=

It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnels no=
t fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel, after=
 removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear, but n=
o more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no further. Soon=
 lose interest in this manoeuvre. 

What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on =
and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve g=
ear. Perhaps there is a bent valve?

Any opinions out there?

Many thanks

Patrick Quinn

 

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David.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It is a 100S gearbox with a grafted overdrive. =
It=E2=80=99s been like that since it was built by the DHMC in the early =
1950s. Plus a BJ8 clutch and pressure plate which was there when I =
bought it in 1974, so heavens knows where that came =
from.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>No problems with that previously.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hoo =
Roo<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Patrick<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> David Nock =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 28 May 2022 11:38 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] It's not the =
starter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Which transmission is in the BN3. If you =
put a later clutch cover in a 3 speed trans. The cover will hit the bell =
housing, only allowing the engine to move a little turn. Same problem on =
the early BN4 transmission. There is a casting inside the housing that =
if you installed the later 3000 style clutch cover. It will hit and =
cause the problem you are explaining.&nbsp;<span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>David Nock<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent =
from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On May 27, 2022, at 11:38 PM, Patrick =
&amp; Caroline Quinn &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hello<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you to =
all who replied.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>It remains a =
mystery. I had an AH owning mechanic here today to trying a work out =
what=E2=80=99s happening with the engine of the BN3.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Plugs are =
out as is the starter. By putting a mark on the harmonic balancer and =
the use of a large screwdriver we found out that the engine will turn a =
quarter turn and back the other way a quarter turn before it stops =
solid.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So it will be a process of elimination starting with =
an endoscope in a few days. The radiator has been removed (no mean feat =
as it comes out via the grille opening) to gain access to the crankshaft =
nut and timing cover.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Will keep =
you informed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hoo Roo<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Patrick =
Quinn<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Blue Mountains, =
Australia<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn via =
Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 22 May 2022 9:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> [Healeys] It's not the =
starter</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hello<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A problem to =
consider.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early =
C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five years back, but seen next to =
no use.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must =
be the battery so charged it, but no change.&nbsp; Tried a brand new =
battery, but still no movement.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Out comes =
the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the =
floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under =
load?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by =
hand. Gearbox tunnels not fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to =
leaver the flywheel, after removing the spark plugs. It moves about six =
teeth of the ring gear, but no more. It moves back the same in the other =
direction, but no further. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvre. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn =
over? Thinking cap on and perhaps it=E2=80=99s something at the top of =
the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there is a bent =
valve?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Any opinions out there?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Many =
thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Patrick Quinn<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Blue =
Mountains, Australia<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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