Subject: [Healeys] New clutch query

From: Tim Davis BN7 <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 19:43:22 -0400 (EDT)

Did you have a jack under the rear of he engine to lift or lower it while 

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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 15:41:22 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query

To revert to the problem I've being having with my gearbox not wanting to
reinstall to my new clutch..

Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I'd not
lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome.

The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch.

Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic
alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I
suppose they would have anyhow unless they'd been miles out?? The new clutch
slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should.

See attached file..Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good shape
and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone! It's
been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few
discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don't think
these would matter????

Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but,
seemingly, not to me!

I haven't taken out the flywheel. Didn't see why? It's in; it's
straight/vertical and works.

People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the
black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more
precise, but harder to use surely? 

I'm reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process..

Any suggestion?

Thanks,

Simon

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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 09:39:09 -0700
From: richard mayor <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked], Healeys <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query
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	<[email-masked]>

One suggestion:  When you use the centering tool (plastic or otherwise),
tilt the tool all the way up then all the way down, then do the same from
side to side, then split the difference with the tool in place when you
tighten the pressure plate bolts.  I personally go through this routine at
least 2 or 3 times to make sure I am as close to the center position as
possible.

One question: Why do you think the metal input shaft is harder to use than
the plastic tool?   The input shaft is much longer than the plastic tool
and you can get a better feel for finding the center position when moving
it through its range of motion as you align the disc.

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

>
>
> To revert to the problem I?ve being having with my gearbox not wanting to
> reinstall to my new clutch??
>
>
>
> Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I?d
> not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome.
>
>
>
> The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch.
>
>
>
> Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic
> alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I
> suppose they would have anyhow unless they?d been miles out?? The new
> clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should.
>
>
>
> See attached file??Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good
> shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone!
> It?s been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few
> discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don?t think
> these would matter????
>
>
>
> Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but,
> seemingly, not to me!
>
>
>
> I haven?t taken out the flywheel. Didn?t see why? It?s in; it?s
> straight/vertical and works.
>
>
>
> People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the
> black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more
> precise, but harder to use surely?
>
>
>
> I?m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process?.
>
>
>
> Any suggestion?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Simon
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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 09:55:40 -0700
From: richard mayor <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked], Healeys <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query
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One more thing.  Be sure to loosen all of the pressure plates bolts so that
as you move the tool through its range of motion the clutch disc will move
around easily as well.

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

>
>
> To revert to the problem I?ve being having with my gearbox not wanting to
> reinstall to my new clutch??
>
>
>
> Bleeding it made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure I?d
> not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome.
>
>
>
> The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch.
>
>
>
> Before removing the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares plastic
> alignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any trouble but I
> suppose they would have anyhow unless they?d been miles out?? The new
> clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just as it should.
>
>
>
> See attached file??Seems to me that the old clutch was in pretty good
> shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might have left well alone!
> It?s been in there for 27 years that I know of. There were/are a few
> discrepancies between the old and new clutches. See attached. I don?t think
> these would matter????
>
>
>
> Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious, but,
> seemingly, not to me!
>
>
>
> I haven?t taken out the flywheel. Didn?t see why? It?s in; it?s
> straight/vertical and works.
>
>
>
> People state a preference for alignment with a spare shaft rather than the
> black plastic tool. I can see that the metal shaft might be somewhat more
> precise, but harder to use surely?
>
>
>
> I?m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole sorry process?.
>
>
>
> Any suggestion?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Simon
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From: Henry G Leach via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:31:39 +0000 WdxLUJx4QHBsHrtoqlqnaVMzZVulHjGl02Xzt/nLM0SYphoPviwXQcsHNu4ahf5p/tROYrXwOnOvEwN/9YWUNPqK8M35dh2wzWY=

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I don't like the different look, and Simon's measurements, of the=0Aclut=
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e. If it fits, its correct bush and core. Then I would load up the=0Agea=
rbox shaft with the clutch disc and position the cover to approx.=0Ainst=
alled location to see if there is any interference with the=0Acasing. If=
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hten the bolts, stick in the shaft or plastic guide and as=0ARichard ind=
icated, work the unit carefully. concentrically. to insure=0Ait is cente=
red. Tighten bolts to spec, LIGHTLY grease the spline and=0Anose of inpu=
t, put box in 4th, position and jiggle the output to=0A"feel" it fit the=
 spline of the clutch disc, before pushing it home=0Aand button it up. H=
ank=0A=0A=09-----------------------------------------From: "Bob Spidell"=
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:26:59AM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query=0A=0A Since we're gra=
sping at input shafts, er, straws ... Did you lube the=0Asplines with an=
ything? I know it's a slight risk given grease could be=0Aslung onto the=
 disk or cover plate--although engine oil will likely=0Aend up in the vi=
cinity sooner or later--I've always done it with no=0Aissues (if anybody=
 cares, my favorite product for things like this is=0ARedline's wheel be=
aring grease).=0A=0A I'm probably wrong, but I don't think 'centering' i=
s the issue, as I=0Athink Simon was probably pretty careful about it, an=
d I've never heard=0Aof anybody having trouble with a centering tool or=
 input shaft.=0A=0AOn 9/27/2021 8:02 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote:=
=0A=0A=09I agree with Richard =E2=80=93 I go through the same =E2=80=9Cm=
icro=E2=80=9D centering=0Aprocess. =0A=0A=09FROM: richard mayor =0ASENT:=
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C: [email-masked]; Healeys =0ASUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch=
 query  =0A=0A=09One suggestion: When you use the centering tool (plasti=
c or=0Aotherwise), tilt the tool all the way up then all the way down, t=
hen=0Ado the same from side to side, then split the difference with the=
 tool=0Ain place when you tighten the pressure plate bolts. I personally=
 go=0Athrough this routine at least 2 or 3 times to make sure I am as cl=
ose=0Ato the center position as possible.   =0A=0A=09One question: Why d=
o you think the metal input shaft is harder to use=0Athan the plastic to=
ol? The input shaft is much longer than the plastic=0Atool and you can g=
et a better feel for finding the center position=0Awhen moving it throug=
h its range of motion as you align the disc.   =0A=0A=09On Sun, Sep 26,=
 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys  wrote:    =0A=0A=0A=09To rev=
ert to the problem I=E2=80=99ve being having with my gearbox not=0Awanti=
ng to reinstall to my new clutch=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =0A=0A=09Bleeding it=
 made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure=0AI=E2=80=99d=
 not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. =0A=0A=09The gearbo=
x is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. =0A=0A=09Before removin=
g the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares=0Aplastic alignment=
 tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any=0Atrouble but I suppo=
se they would have anyhow unless they=E2=80=99d been=0Amiles out?? The n=
ew clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just=0Aas it should. =0A=
=0A=09See attached file=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6Seems to me that the old clutch=
 was in pretty=0Agood shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one mi=
ght have left=0Awell alone! It=E2=80=99s been in there for 27 years that=
 I know of. There=0Awere/are a few discrepancies between the old and new=
 clutches. See=0Aattached. I don=E2=80=99t think these would matter????=
 =0A=0A=09Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious,=
 but,=0Aseemingly, not to me! =0A=0A=09I haven=E2=80=99t taken out the f=
lywheel. Didn=E2=80=99t see why? It=E2=80=99s in;=0Ait=E2=80=99s straigh=
t/vertical and works. =0A=0A=09People state a preference for alignment w=
ith a spare shaft rather=0Athan the black plastic tool. I can see that t=
he metal shaft might be=0Asomewhat more precise, but harder to use surel=
y? =0A=0A=09I=E2=80=99m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole=
 sorry=0Aprocess=E2=80=A6. =0A=0A=09Any suggestion? =0A=0A=09Thanks, =0A=
=0A=09Simon   =0A=0A

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<html><body>I don't like the different look, and Simon's measurements, o=
f the clutch disc. First I would take the spare old input shaft-if the s=
ame as the one in the trans, and stick it in the pilot bushing and clutc=
h plate.&nbsp; If it fits, its correct bush and core. Then I would load=
 up the gearbox shaft with the clutch disc and position the cover to app=
rox. installed location to see if there is any interference with the cas=
ing. If it looks clear, mount the disc and cover on the flywheel and han=
d tighten the bolts, stick in the shaft or plastic guide and as Richard=
 indicated, work the unit carefully. concentrically. to insure it is cen=
tered. Tighten bolts to spec, LIGHTLY grease the spline and nose of inpu=
t, put box in 4th, position and jiggle the output to "feel" it fit the s=
pline of the clutch disc, before pushing it home and button it up. Hank<=
br><br><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>---------------------=
--------------------</p>From: "Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]><br>To=
: [email-masked]<br>Cc: <br>Sent: Monday September 27 2021 8:26:=
59AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query<br><br>=0ASince we're gr=
asping at input shafts, er, straws ... Did you lube=0Athe splines with a=
nything? I know it's a slight risk given grease=0Acould be slung onto th=
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v class=3D"WordSection1">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I=0Aagree with=
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ng=0Aprocess.</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p=
>=0A<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1pt;padding:3pt 0=
cm 0cm 0cm;">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"en-us">From:</sp=
an></b>=0A<span lang=3D"en-us">richard mayor <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rf=
c2396E">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br><b>Sent:</b> September 26,=
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[email-masked]</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-=
abbreviated">[email-masked]</a>; Healeys=0A<a class=3D"moz-txt-l=
ink-rfc2396E">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re:=
 [Healeys] New Clutch query</span></p>=0A</div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>&nbsp;</p>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">One suggestion:&nbs=
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/p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">One question: Why do you t=
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=80=A6</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</=
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n></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">See attached file=
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"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"en-gb">I haven=E2=80=99t taken out the flywheel. Didn=
=E2=80=99t see why? It=E2=80=99s in;=0Ait=E2=80=99s straight/vertical an=
d works.</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;=
</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">People state a=
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n lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
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g=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-=
gb">Any suggestion?</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en=
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nks,</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">Simon</spa=
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