Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened Flywheel

From: "Bruce Steele" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:46:18 -0800

I used a DWR flywheel.

Bruce Steele
Brea, CA
1960 BN7

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Subject: [Healeys] Lightened Flywheel

Hello,
Anybody lightening and balancing flywheels ?………TOMS TOYS use to…. but no more

Thanks
Mitch
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 13:22:14 -0800

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Any automotive machine shop can do it.  There is nothing unique about a
Healey flywheel.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Any automotive machine shop can do it.=C2=A0 There is noth=
ing unique about a Healey flywheel.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:34 AM mit=
chell simmons &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dayton21@comcast.=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x">Hello,<br>
Anybody lightening and balancing flywheels ?=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6TOMS=
 TOYS use to=E2=80=A6. but no more<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
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From: Harold Manifold via Healeys <[email-masked]>
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Mitchell,
 
Here is a picture of the flywheel for my car I recently had lightened at a
local engine rebuilding shop. Most good engine shops should be able to do
something similar.
 
Harold

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Lightened Flywheel

Hello,
Anybody lightening and balancing flywheels ?...TOMS TOYS use to.. but no
more

Thanks
Mitch

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From: John Spaur via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 22:41:14 -0800

I have a DWR lightened flywheel but I wish I had known more before installing it. A lightened flywheel reduces the torque. Also the OD functions differently. There is not a lot of difference between the RPM's in third and fourth gears. I am not sure how to explain it but hopefully someone else will.

John

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Hello,

Thanks
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From: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:21:02 +0100

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A lightened flywheel does _/*not*/_ reduce the torque the engine 
delivers, It reduces the inertia of the engine which will result in the 
engine revving up or slowing down faster to enable quicker shifts (gears 
and overdrive) and a slightly acceleration. It also means that when 
starting of from standstill you may stall easy initially and the gear 
changes are effected as you have to operate the clutch pedal with much 
more feel. Drive-ability will suffer.

Kees Oudesluijs

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    <p>A lightened flywheel does <u><i><b>not</b></i></u> reduce the
      torque the engine delivers, It reduces the inertia of the engine
      which will result in the engine revving up or slowing down faster
      to enable quicker shifts (gears and overdrive) and a slightly
      acceleration. It also means that when starting of from standstill
      you may stall easy initially and the gear changes are effected as
      you have to operate the clutch pedal with much more feel.
      Drive-ability will suffer. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
    <p><br>
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    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 11-3-2021 om 07:41 schreef John
      Spaur via Healeys:<br>
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      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I have a DWR lightened flywheel but I wish I had known more before installing it. A lightened flywheel reduces the torque. Also the OD functions differently. There is not a lot of difference between the RPM's in third and fourth gears. I am not sure how to explain it but hopefully someone else will.

John

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Hello,

Thanks
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My goodness "negative confirmation bias" not often seen on the net.

M

On Thu., Mar. 11, 2021, 1:41 a.m. John Spaur via Healeys, <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I have a DWR lightened flywheel but I wish I had known more before
> installing it. A lightened flywheel reduces the torque. Also the OD
> functions differently. There is not a lot of difference between the RPM's
> in third and fourth gears. I am not sure how to explain it but hopefully
> someone else will.
>
> John
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">My goodness &quot;negative confirmation bias&quot; not of=
ten seen on the net.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
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to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I have a DWR lightened flywheel but I wish I =
had known more before installing it. A lightened flywheel reduces the torqu=
e. Also the OD functions differently. There is not a lot of difference betw=
een the RPM&#39;s in third and fourth gears. I am not sure how to explain i=
t but hopefully someone else will.<br>
<br>
John<br>
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Falls more into the category of 'disappointment.'

I've sometimes wished I had a lightened flywheel in my BJ8, but I think 
the lower inertia/torque would be even more of an issue with its 3.54 
rear end (yes, it takes a tad more finessing of the clutch pedal than 
the 3.91). This is the classic argument of torque vs. horsepower (John 
and Kees are both correct, there's inertia and torque, both give more 
pulling power, which is what we're talking about off idle). In my BJ8, I 
can let out the clutch slowly and it will creep away from a standing 
stop, if I do that in my Mustang, with 475HP and 425lb-ft of torque 
it'll stall every time; it doesn't start really pulling until over 
3,000RPM (but will pull in a straight line to the rev limiter at 7,400). 
Yes, the Mustang is heavier, by a little over 50%, but has more than 
three times the HP of a stock BJ8). But, if you want torque, my dad's 
old 4-banger Ford tractors would best them both in a tug-of-war.

I can't however, think of a reason why the OD would be affected; it's 
either engaged or it isn't. If the cone clutch was slipping that would 
certainly cause issues.

Bob

On 3/11/2021 5:09 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
> On Thu., Mar. 11, 2021, 1:41 a.m. John Spaur via Healeys, 
>
>     installing it. A lightened flywheel reduces the torque. Also the
>     OD functions differently. There is not a lot of difference between
>     the RPM's in third and fourth gears. I am not sure how to explain
>     it but hopefully someone else will.
>
>     John
>
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    Falls more into the category of 'disappointment.'<br>
    <br>
    I've sometimes wished I had a lightened flywheel in my BJ8, but I
    think the lower inertia/torque would be even more of an issue with
    its 3.54 rear end (yes, it takes a tad more finessing of the clutch
    pedal than the 3.91). This is the classic argument of torque vs.
    horsepower (John and Kees are both correct, there's inertia and
    torque, both give more pulling power, which is what we're talking
    about off idle). In my BJ8, I can let out the clutch slowly and it
    will creep away from a standing stop, if I do that in my Mustang,
    with 475HP and 425lb-ft of torque it'll stall every time; it doesn't
    start really pulling until over 3,000RPM (but will pull in a
    straight line to the rev limiter at 7,400). Yes, the Mustang is
    heavier, by a little over 50%, but has more than three times the HP
    of a stock BJ8). But, if you want torque, my dad's old 4-banger Ford
    tractors would best them both in a tug-of-war.<br>
    <br>
    I can't however, think of a reason why the OD would be affected;
    it's either engaged or it isn't. If the cone clutch was slipping
    that would certainly cause issues.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I have a DWR
          lightened flywheel but I wish I had known more before
          installing it. A lightened flywheel reduces the torque. Also
          the OD functions differently. There is not a lot of difference
          between the RPM's in third and fourth gears. I am not sure how
          to explain it but hopefully someone else will.<br>
          <br>
          John<br>
          <br>
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          On Behalf Of mitchell simmons<br>
          Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 11:30 AM<br>
          To: <a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
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          Subject: [Healeys] Lightened Flywheel<br>
          <br>
          Hello,<br>
          Anybody lightening and balancing flywheels ?………TOMS TOYS use
          to…. but no more<br>
          <br>
          Thanks<br>
          Mitch<br>
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From: Roger Grace via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:11:11 -0800

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As Harold says it is easily done.
I have just had mine recently done by a local machine shop with a decent
size lathe - BTW non automotive shop
No holes and most of the metal removed from the periphery - where you get
the most bang for the buck.
Weight was reduced from 28.6 lbs to 22 lbs
Have photos but neglected to take any post surgery measurements.
Had the flywheel plus clutch assembly balanced afterwards.
Facts are that this will reduce acceleration and deceleration times. Does
not affect the output or reactive torque but times are reduced.
Kinder to OD clutch too.
I was worried that the idle smoothness might be affected but can hardly
notice any difference.
Shuts down quicker too.
No doubt that car is livelier.
Good value for $65 (machining - not balancing)
rg

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:45 PM Harold Manifold via Healeys <
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> Mitchell,
>
> Here is a picture of the flywheel for my car I recently had lightened at =
a
> ------------------------------
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chard
> mayor
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:22 PM
> *To:* mitchell simmons
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Lightened Flywheel
>
>> Anybody lightening and balancing flywheels ?=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6T=
OMS TOYS use to=E2=80=A6. but no
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>As Harold says it is easily done. <br></div><div>I ha=
ve just had mine recently done by a local machine shop with a decent size l=
athe - BTW non automotive shop<br></div><div>No holes and most of the metal=
 removed from the periphery - where you get the most bang for the buck.</di=
v><div>Weight was reduced from 28.6 lbs to 22 lbs</div><div>Have photos but=
 neglected to take any post surgery measurements.</div><div>Had the flywhee=
l plus clutch assembly balanced afterwards.<br></div><div>Facts are that th=
is will reduce acceleration and deceleration times. Does not affect the out=
put or reactive torque but times are reduced.</div><div>Kinder to OD clutch=
 too.</div><div>I was worried that the idle smoothness might be affected bu=
t can hardly notice any difference.</div><div>Shuts down quicker too.<br></=
div><div>No doubt that car is livelier.</div><div>Good value for $65 (machi=
ning - not balancing)<br></div><div>rg<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:45 PM Harold Manifold via Heale=
ys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healeys@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" color=
=3D"#0000ff">Mitchell,</font></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" color=
=3D"#0000ff"></font></span>=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" color=
=3D"#0000ff">Here is a picture of the flywheel for my car I recently had=20
lightened at a local engine rebuilding shop. Most good engine shops should =
be=20
able to do something similar.</font></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" color=
=3D"#0000ff"></font></span>=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" color=
=3D"#0000ff">Harold</font></span></div><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" align=3D"left">
<hr>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Healeys=20
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>richard=20
mayor<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> mitch=
ell=20
simmons<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]=20
Lightened Flywheel<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Any automotive machine shop can do it.=C2=A0 There is noth=
ing=20
unique about a Healey flywheel.<br></div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:34 AM mitc=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">Hello,<br>Anybody=20
  lightening and balancing flywheels ?=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6TOMS TOYS =
use to=E2=80=A6. but no=20
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From: mitchell simmons <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 14:20:44 -0500

Thanks to all……for your input,

Cheers
Mitch

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:29 PM, mitchell simmons <[email-masked]> wrote:
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