Subject: Re: [Healeys] brake fluid

From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 21:44:26 -0700

Anybody tried test strips?

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Dunno why there'd be copper in BF, unless you have cupronickel lines.

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> a few years back at one of the Rendezvous i remember Dave Nock checking fluid cannisters and saying if you could not see
> the bottom of the cannister time to replace the fluid.  been working for me since then.
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water is a huge problem here in HK if you leave your car sitting too long,
unless everything is converted to SS liners, etc.,

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> > a few years back at one of the Rendezvous i remember Dave Nock checking
> fluid cannisters and saying if you could not see
> > the bottom of the cannister time to replace the fluid.  been working fo=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">water is a huge problem here in HK if you leave your car s=
itting too long, unless everything is converted to SS liners, etc.,<div><br=
></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:45 PM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:b=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Anybody tried test strips?<br>
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Dunno why there&#39;d be copper in BF, unless you have cupronickel lines.<b=
r>
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&gt; a few years back at one of the Rendezvous i remember Dave Nock checkin=
g fluid cannisters and saying if you could not see<br>
&gt; the bottom of the cannister time to replace the fluid.=C2=A0 been work=
ing for me since then.<br>
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From: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:45:40 +0100

I rather replace the brake fluid every two years including flushing the 
full system.

Kees Oudesluijs

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Any opinions on these electronic brake fluid moisture detectors ?

https://www.amazon.com/BELEY-Automotive-Moisture-Detection-Detector/dp/B07K=
CWKC5Y/ref=3Dsr_1_9?dchild=3D1&keywords=3Dbrake+fluid+tester&qid=3D16160017=
60&sr=3D8-9

There are also numerous cheaper pen style ones too - tried one a few years
back but batt compartment corroded ....
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> water is a huge problem here in HK if you leave your car sitting too long=
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> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:45 PM Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote=
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>> > a few years back at one of the Rendezvous i remember Dave Nock checkin=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Any opinions on these electronic brake fluid moisture=
 detectors ?</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/BEL=
EY-Automotive-Moisture-Detection-Detector/dp/B07KCWKC5Y/ref=3Dsr_1_9?dchild=
=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dbrake+fluid+tester&amp;qid=3D1616001760&amp;sr=3D8-9">h=
ttps://www.amazon.com/BELEY-Automotive-Moisture-Detection-Detector/dp/B07KC=
WKC5Y/ref=3Dsr_1_9?dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dbrake+fluid+tester&amp;qid=3D1=
616001760&amp;sr=3D8-9</a></div><div><br></div><div>There are also numerous=
 cheaper pen style ones too - tried one a few years back but batt compartme=
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 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">water is a huge problem here in HK if you leave your car sitting too =
long, unless everything is converted to SS liners, etc.,<div><br></div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On W=
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Dunno why there&#39;d be copper in BF, unless you have cupronickel lines.<b=
r>
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From: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <[email-masked]>
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Fairly useless, when you want to use it the battery will be empty 
empty/corroded or you cannot find the damn thing. Water absorption may 
not be evenly distributed throughout the system.

Another bit of kit to be stored and to get lost. I have shelves full of 
such "useful" items but rarely use them.

Just change the brake fluid every two years and you are OK. Brake fluid 
(DOT4) is inexpensive and widely available. Do not buy in bulk, just get 
1/2 litre for the change and keep the remainder for topping up. Get rid 
of the spare fluid after the two years with the next change.

Kees Oudesluijs

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> https://www.amazon.com/BELEY-Automotive-Moisture-Detection-Detector/dp/B07KCWKC5Y/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=brake+fluid+tester&qid=1616001760&sr=8-9 
> <https://www.amazon.com/BELEY-Automotive-Moisture-Detection-Detector/dp/B07KCWKC5Y/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=brake+fluid+tester&qid=1616001760&sr=8-9>
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> There are also numerous cheaper pen style ones too - tried one a few 
> years back but batt compartment corroded ....
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>     water is a huge problem here in HK if you leave your car sitting
>     too long, unless everything is converted to SS liners, etc.,
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    <p>Fairly useless, when you want to use it the battery will be empty
      empty/corroded or you cannot find the damn thing. Water absorption
      may not be evenly distributed throughout the system.</p>
    <p>Another bit of kit to be stored and to get lost. I have shelves
      full of such "useful" items but rarely use them. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Just change the brake fluid every two years and you are OK. Brake
      fluid (DOT4) is inexpensive and widely available. Do not buy in
      bulk, just get 1/2 litre for the change and keep the remainder for
      topping up. Get rid of the spare fluid after the two years with
      the next change.</p>
    <p><br>
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    <p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 17-3-2021 om 18:28 schreef Roger
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        <div>Any opinions on these electronic brake fluid moisture
          detectors ?</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div><a
href="https://www.amazon.com/BELEY-Automotive-Moisture-Detection-Detector/dp/B07KCWKC5Y/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&amp;keywords=brake+fluid+tester&amp;qid=1616001760&amp;sr=8-9"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.amazon.com/BELEY-Automotive-Moisture-Detection-Detector/dp/B07KCWKC5Y/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&amp;keywords=brake+fluid+tester&amp;qid=1616001760&amp;sr=8-9</a></div>
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        <div>There are also numerous cheaper pen style ones too - tried
          one a few years back but batt compartment corroded ....</div>
        <div>rg<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">water is a huge problem here in HK if you leave
            your car sitting too long, unless everything is converted to
            SS liners, etc.,
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              Dunno why there'd be copper in BF, unless you have
              cupronickel lines.<br>
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              Dave Nock checking fluid cannisters and saying if you
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              fluid.  been working for me since then.<br>
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From: Bob Begani via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 14:20:46 -0400

Kees:

How do you and what do you use to flush the brake system.

Bob Begani

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Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 3:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] brake fluid

I rather replace the brake fluid every two years including flushing the full
system.

Kees Oudesluijs

Op 17-3-2021 om 03:52 schreef healeymanjim via Healeys:
> a few years back at one of the Rendezvous i remember Dave Nock 
> checking fluid cannisters and saying if you could not see the bottom of
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I have used the pencil style moisture meter but it lasted about a year.  It=
 did work and I discovered the fluid was usually good for three years or so=
. Shade tree mechanics like to change your fluid based on guess and gullibi=
lity. I just bleed my brakes every two years or so but my track cars I do a=
fter nearly every event. I use DOT 3 or 4 (high temp on the track cars). Do=
ing it also helps keep the bleeder valves from freezing up and breaking off=
.  I rebuilt the Healey brakes last year when the left front caliper starte=
d hanging up causing the hub to get hot. All new lines from Moss and a cali=
perrebuilt and paint by White Post over in Virginia. My hoses and lines wer=
e virtually blocked with crud and I'm surprised they even stopped me. The r=
ear drums were OK but I needed new seals on the pistons. Not a difficult DI=
Y task. My bad for not being smart on doing it sooner.

Regards,
Richard C
BN7 440

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Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 10:56 AM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] brake fluid

Fairly useless, when you want to use it the battery will be empty empty/cor=
roded or you cannot find the damn thing. Water absorption may not be evenly=
 distributed throughout the system.

Another bit of kit to be stored and to get lost. I have shelves full of suc=
h "useful" items but rarely use them.

Just change the brake fluid every two years and you are OK. Brake fluid (DO=
T4) is inexpensive and widely available. Do not buy in bulk, just get 1/2 l=
itre for the change and keep the remainder for topping up. Get rid of the s=
pare fluid after the two years with the next change.

Kees Oudesluijs

There are also numerous cheaper pen style ones too - tried one a few years =
back but batt compartment corroded ....
rg

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water is a huge problem here in HK if you leave your car sitting too long, =
unless everything is converted to SS liners, etc.,

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> a few years back at one of the Rendezvous i remember Dave Nock checking f=
luid cannisters and saying if you could not see
> the bottom of the cannister time to replace the fluid.  been working for =
me since then.

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I have used the pencil style moisture meter but it lasted about a year.&nbs=
p; It did work and I discovered the fluid was usually good for three years =
or so. Shade tree mechanics like to change your fluid based on guess and gu=
llibility. I just bleed my brakes every
 two years or so but my track cars I do after nearly every event. I use DOT=
 3 or 4 (high temp on the track cars). Doing it also helps keep the bleeder=
 valves from freezing up and breaking off.&nbsp; I rebuilt the Healey brake=
s last year when the left front caliper
 started hanging up causing the hub to get hot. All new lines from Moss and=
 a caliperrebuilt and paint by White Post over in Virginia. My hoses and li=
nes were virtually blocked with crud and I'm surprised they even stopped me=
. The rear drums were OK but I needed
 new seals on the pistons. Not a difficult DIY task. My bad for not being s=
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<p>Fairly useless, when you want to use it the battery will be empty empty/=
corroded or you cannot find the damn thing. Water absorption may not be eve=
nly distributed throughout the system.</p>
<p>Another bit of kit to be stored and to get lost. I have shelves full of =
such &quot;useful&quot; items but rarely use them.
<br>
</p>
<p>Just change the brake fluid every two years and you are OK. Brake fluid =
(DOT4) is inexpensive and widely available. Do not buy in bulk, just get 1/=
2 litre for the change and keep the remainder for topping up. Get rid of th=
e spare fluid after the two years
 with the next change.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
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Detector/dp/B07KCWKC5Y/ref=3Dsr_1_9?dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3Dbrake+fluid+t=
ester&amp;qid=3D1616001760&amp;sr=3D8-9">https://www.amazon.com/BELEY-Autom=
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<div>There are also numerous cheaper pen style ones too - tried one a few y=
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Dunno why there'd be copper in BF, unless you have cupronickel lines.<br>
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From: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 20:48:16 +0100

Bob,

I have used a Gunson Eezibleed Kit for donkeys years. The first kit was 
bought around 1965, later was ones followed as these were constantly 
improved upon. However you can improvise on this with a bicycle inner tyre.

Basically you pressurize the brake fluid reservoir and open the bleed 
nipples one by one until clear and bubble free liquid appears. You need 
to get used to the system to avoid spillages and you have to top up the 
brake fluid reservoir after flushing each line.

Others use a vacuum hand pump to draw the fluid through the bleed nipples.

Kees Oudesluijs

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The vacuum hand pumps don't work well with drum brakes, especially on the
100.  Better to go with ezibleed.

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<br>
I have used a Gunson Eezibleed Kit for donkeys years. The first kit was <br=
bought around 1965, later was ones followed as these were constantly <br>
improved upon. However you can improvise on this with a bicycle inner tyre.=
<br>
<br>
Basically you pressurize the brake fluid reservoir and open the bleed <br>
nipples one by one until clear and bubble free liquid appears. You need <br=
to get used to the system to avoid spillages and you have to top up the <br=
brake fluid reservoir after flushing each line.<br>
<br>
Others use a vacuum hand pump to draw the fluid through the bleed nipples.<=
br>
<br>
Kees Oudesluijs<br>
<br>
<br>
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Op 17-3-2021 om 19:20 schreef <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
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&gt; Kees:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; How do you and what do you use to flush the brake system.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Bob Begani<br>
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From: Charley Braum via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 23:25:28 -0400

I changed over to Silicone Fluid many years ago whilst ignoring
the 'degraded performance' warnings (as in - it will fade/fail
in "spirited driving" situations) and my realised expectation of
dodging (increasingly expensive, then and now) repairs to painted
surfaces due to spilled fluid damage.

I cannot attribute any issue with my brakes since to the fluid change.

That said, I set up an experiment (years ago). I put enough Silicone
Fluid in a glass baby bottle to fill it to half-way. I put the bottle, 
without
a cap (open to the air) on a shelf in my unheated garage.

After six months (and two season changes) I asked a business
acquaintance to analyze my test sample, especially with regards
to H2O content. His assessment was H2O was less than 1%.

With a closed hydraulic system (our Healeys), once the system is
charged and the bleeders are closed, the only interaction with
the atmosphere is through the reservoir cap vent, I think.

How does all this water get in the system?

Best to all,

Charley

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I haven't the foggiest but I can tell you in Humid Hong Kong, water can get
in there if you don't drive the car and it will screw everything up.  I
think the little hole in the cap is good enough, the moss replacement cap
seal is fiddly, but I think it does a good job of stopping water from
getting into the system.  If you drive the car all the time, the water
should work its way out of the fluid with each drive, so the trick it to
drive the car regularly if you can.

> How does all this water get in the system?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I haven&#39;t the foggiest but I can tell you in Humid Hon=
g Kong, water can get in there if you don&#39;t drive the car and it will s=
crew everything up.=C2=A0 I think the little hole in the cap is good enough=
, the moss replacement cap seal is fiddly, but I think it does a good job o=
f stopping water from getting into the system.=C2=A0 If you drive the car a=
ll the time, the water should work its way out of the fluid with each drive=
, so the trick it to drive the car regularly=C2=A0if you can.<div><br></div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 11:29 AM Charley Braum via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I changed over to Sili=
cone Fluid many years ago whilst ignoring<br>
the &#39;degraded performance&#39; warnings (as in - it will fade/fail<br>
in &quot;spirited driving&quot; situations) and my realised expectation of<=
br>
dodging (increasingly expensive, then and now) repairs to painted<br>
surfaces due to spilled fluid damage.<br>
<br>
I cannot attribute any issue with my brakes since to the fluid change.<br>
<br>
That said, I set up an experiment (years ago). I put enough Silicone<br>
Fluid in a glass baby bottle to fill it to half-way. I put the bottle, <br>
without<br>
a cap (open to the air) on a shelf in my unheated garage.<br>
<br>
After six months (and two season changes) I asked a business<br>
acquaintance to analyze my test sample, especially with regards<br>
to H2O content. His assessment was H2O was less than 1%.<br>
<br>
With a closed hydraulic system (our Healeys), once the system is<br>
charged and the bleeders are closed, the only interaction with<br>
the atmosphere is through the reservoir cap vent, I think.<br>
<br>
How does all this water get in the system?<br>
<br>
Best to all,<br>
<br>
Charley<br>
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From: "sentenac.rw--- via Healeys" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 21:12:16 -0700

Does anyone know if the current Eezibleed Kit includes a cap that will
fit the Girling reservoirs on BN1 & 2s?  I know there is a brute force
method of buying a spare cap ($22 from Moss) and drilling a 13mm hole
in it for Gunson's plumbing.
-Roland

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From: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:04:18 +0100

The water gets in because of condensation (small bit by small bit) in 
the reservoir over the years. There will always be temperature changes 
and the relative humidity in the reservoir is the same as in the ambient 
air. In very hot and humid conditions there is a lot of water vapour in 
the air so when the temp drops condensation in the reservoir is very 
possible.

Kees Oudesluijs

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From: Alan Seigrist via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 16:21:35 +0800

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Hi Roland -

I get around this problem by fitting the ezibleed plastic cap, then
cinching it down with two medium sized speed clamps that clamp at the
ezibleed lid and at the bottom of the reservoir.  Doing this, however,
seems I need to double up the lid seal to get a good seal.    Also,
using something to keep the upper tips of the clamps holding above the
reservoir cap is helpful as they can slide off,  but not necessary.  This
keeps the lid from leaking or popping off.

Best,

Alan

> >> Others use a vacuum hand pump to draw the fluid through the bleed

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Roland -<div><br></div><div>I get around this problem b=
y fitting the ezibleed plastic cap, then cinching it down with two medium s=
ized speed clamps that clamp at the ezibleed lid and at the bottom of the r=
eservoir.=C2=A0 Doing this, however, seems I need to double up the lid seal=
 to get a good seal.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Also, using=C2=A0something to keep the up=
per tips of the clamps holding above the reservoir cap is helpful as they c=
an slide off,=C2=A0 but not necessary.=C2=A0 This keeps the lid from leakin=
g or popping off.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>A=
lan</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 12:12 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sentenac.rw=
@gmail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Does anyone know if the current Eezibleed =
Kit includes a cap that will<br>
fit the Girling reservoirs on BN1 &amp; 2s?=C2=A0 I know there is a brute f=
orce<br>
method of buying a spare cap ($22 from Moss) and drilling a 13mm hole<br>
in it for Gunson&#39;s plumbing.<br>
-Roland<br>
<br>
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:38:17 +0800, you wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;The vacuum hand pumps don&#39;t work well with drum brakes, especially =
on the<br>
&gt;100.=C2=A0 Better to go with ezibleed.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 3:49 AM Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys &lt;<br>
&gt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healeys@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Bob,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I have used a Gunson Eezibleed Kit for donkeys years. The first ki=
t was<br>
&gt;&gt; bought around 1965, later was ones followed as these were constant=
ly<br>
&gt;&gt; improved upon. However you can improvise on this with a bicycle in=
ner tyre.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Basically you pressurize the brake fluid reservoir and open the bl=
eed<br>
&gt;&gt; nipples one by one until clear and bubble free liquid appears. You=
 need<br>
&gt;&gt; to get used to the system to avoid spillages and you have to top u=
p the<br>
&gt;&gt; brake fluid reservoir after flushing each line.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Others use a vacuum hand pump to draw the fluid through the bleed =
nipples.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Kees Oudesluijs<br>
<br>
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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:37:32 -0000

My kit did no have a cap that fitted. (AH 3000). I cannot recall the exact
sequence, but I telephoned Gunson's and they sent me a selection which
included the correct one.
So, they are out there; they fit and they're available.
I suppose you could just order an extra cap(s) when you order the kit...
I like the Eezibleed. I overpressurized the first time that I used it and
probably put more air into the system than I took out. You only need enough
psi to push the fluid from one end of the car to the other.
Simon

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via Healeys
Sent: 18 March 2021 04:12
To: Alan Seigrist <[email-masked]>
Cc: Austin Healey list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] brake fluid

Does anyone know if the current Eezibleed Kit includes a cap that will fit
the Girling reservoirs on BN1 & 2s?  I know there is a brute force method of
buying a spare cap ($22 from Moss) and drilling a 13mm hole in it for
Gunson's plumbing.
-Roland

On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:38:17 +0800, you wrote:

>The vacuum hand pumps don't work well with drum brakes, especially on 
>the 100.  Better to go with ezibleed.
>
>
>> I have used a Gunson Eezibleed Kit for donkeys years. The first kit 
>> was bought around 1965, later was ones followed as these were 
>> constantly improved upon. However you can improvise on this with a
bicycle inner tyre.
>> nipples one by one until clear and bubble free liquid appears. You 
>> need to get used to the system to avoid spillages and you have to top 
>> up the brake fluid reservoir after flushing each line.
>>

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From: "sentenac.rw--- via Healeys" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 21:11:33 -0700

On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:38:17 +0800, you wrote:
thank you, Alan and Simon for your replies.  I think I will be trying
the clamps like the ones that Alan used, and test carefully for leaks
before adding brake fluid to the mix.

-Roland

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