Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overheating

From: Alan Seigrist via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 12:09:44 +0800

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Darryl -

A very good idea.  My '59 Jag Mk IX has this plate below the radiator and I
can confirm that car never overheats.  The downside is you have to remove
it to drain the radiator, so Jag installed a little lever on the radiator
to open the spigot... but idiot radiator shops always remove these levers
so now are hard to find.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:01 PM Deejay2650 via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> G'day to All,
> I live in the Riverina district of New South Wales where temperatures go
> from minus 3 degrees C (24 degrees F) in winter to 42 degrees C (104
> degrees F) in summer which, I think you will agree, is a large variance.
>
> My '67 BJ8 is running the original radiator,  Texas cooler fan, sleeved
> thermostat, original water pump, Lucas D25 distributor and standard coil.
> The engine is standard although 30 thou oversize. I run a 7lb psi radiator
> cap.
>
> I run de-mineralised water and Penrite Classic coolant (which contains no
> anti-freeze) but has the ability to coat *all cooling surfaces* and make
> (I know this sounds silly) the water *wetter *and a electric fan in front
> of the radiator.Which, I may add, I have used very rarely over 6 years of
> ownership.
> My temps usually run from160 F to 190 F all year round with of course an
> increase to 210-212C on heat soak.
>
> The one thing that I have fitted, (which is definitely not original) is a
> thin metal plate, a great idea made by a Healey mate of mine, that fits
> from the bottom edge of the lower front beaver tail to the front of the
> main cross-member with tech screws attaching it. It covers the entire
> bottom surface underneath of the radiator and part of the sump.
> The idea being is the fan draws cool air through the radiator, heats it
> and then pushes the heated air down which can lead to the radiator
> re-breathing the hot air again. The idea apparently is not new, DHMC
> apparently used it on some of the Sebring cars.
>
> I can tell you that it definitely works and allows your Healey to keep its
> cool!
> Happy Healeying,
> Darryl
> '67 HBJ8L41258
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Darryl -<br><br>A very good idea.=C2=A0 My &#39;59 Jag Mk =
IX has this plate below the radiator and I can confirm that car never overh=
eats.=C2=A0 The downside is you have to remove it to drain the radiator, so=
 Jag installed a little lever on the radiator to open the spigot... but idi=
ot radiator shops always remove these levers so now are hard to find.</div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue=
, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:01 PM Deejay2650 via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heal=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>G&#39;day t=
o All,</div><div>I live in the Riverina district of New South Wales where t=
emperatures go from minus 3 degrees C (24 degrees F) in winter to 42 degree=
s C (104 degrees F) in summer which, I think you will agree, is a large var=
iance. <br></div><div><br></div><div>My &#39;67 BJ8 is running the original=
 radiator,=C2=A0 Texas cooler fan, sleeved thermostat, original water pump,=
 Lucas D25 distributor and standard coil. The engine is standard although 3=
0 thou oversize. I run a 7lb psi radiator cap.<br></div><div><br></div><div=
>I run de-mineralised water and Penrite Classic coolant (which contains no =
anti-freeze) but has the ability to coat <b>all cooling surfaces</b> and ma=
ke (I know this sounds silly) the water <b>wetter </b>and a electric fan in=
 front of the radiator.Which, I may add, I have used very rarely over 6 yea=
rs of ownership.</div><div>My temps usually run from160 F to 190 F all year=
 round with of course an increase to 210-212C on heat soak.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>The one thing that I have fitted, (which is definitely not origin=
al) is a thin metal plate, a great idea made by a Healey mate of mine, that=
 fits from the bottom edge of the lower front beaver tail to the front of t=
he main cross-member with tech screws attaching it. It covers the entire bo=
ttom surface underneath of the radiator and part of the sump.</div><div>The=
 idea being is the fan draws cool air through the radiator, heats it and th=
en pushes the heated air down which can lead to the radiator re-breathing t=
he hot air again. The idea apparently is not new, DHMC apparently used it o=
n some of the Sebring cars.</div><div><br></div><div>I can tell you that it=
 definitely works and allows your Healey to keep its cool!</div><div>Happy =
Healeying,</div><div> Darryl</div><div>&#39;67 HBJ8L41258<br></div><div><br=
></div><div><br></div></div>
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From: Reinhart Rosner via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 12:09:14 +0100

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Hi Darryl,

Here in Vienna in Austria the highest temperatures in summer stay =
between 35 and 38 deg. C, but may go down to minus 15 deg C in winter. =
Therefore the temperature range is even higher. But I have to admit, =
that my BN1 stays in the garage from the day of the first ice or snow =
every year until sand and salt are gone in spring. But the lowest =
temperatures at which I have driven the Healey were around 0 deg. C.

Of course regarding overheating your higher temperatures are the bigger =
problem. Here the combination of summer temperatures and driving up into =
the mountains might be a similar challenge for every car.

=20

Nevertheless I only had overheating issues due to problems with settings =
on the carbs or the distributor or in the time before I had to rebuild =
the motor (bearing at crankshaft and the rockers were the main reason). =
During the work on the engine I had a high efficiency net installed in =
the radiator and run our usual antifreeze. Everything else is standard.

=20

Your solution with the metal plate sounds very interesting. Do you have =
pictures? What kind of metal did you use and how thin is it?

=20

Regards

=20

Reinhart

=20

=20

=20

Reinhart Rosner

55 AH 100 BN 1

Vienna =E2=80=93 Austria

=20

=20

Von: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] Im Auftrag von =
Deejay2650 via Healeys
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. M=C3=A4rz 2021 05:00
An: [email-masked]
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Overheating

=20

G'day to All,

I live in the Riverina district of New South Wales where temperatures go =
from minus 3 degrees C (24 degrees F) in winter to 42 degrees C (104 =
degrees F) in summer which, I think you will agree, is a large variance. =

=20

My '67 BJ8 is running the original radiator,  Texas cooler fan, sleeved =
thermostat, original water pump, Lucas D25 distributor and standard =
coil. The engine is standard although 30 thou oversize. I run a 7lb psi =
radiator cap.

=20

I run de-mineralised water and Penrite Classic coolant (which contains =
no anti-freeze) but has the ability to coat all cooling surfaces and =
make (I know this sounds silly) the water wetter and a electric fan in =
front of the radiator.Which, I may add, I have used very rarely over 6 =
years of ownership.

My temps usually run from160 F to 190 F all year round with of course an =
increase to 210-212C on heat soak.

=20

The one thing that I have fitted, (which is definitely not original) is =
a thin metal plate, a great idea made by a Healey mate of mine, that =
fits from the bottom edge of the lower front beaver tail to the front of =
the main cross-member with tech screws attaching it. It covers the =
entire bottom surface underneath of the radiator and part of the sump.

The idea being is the fan draws cool air through the radiator, heats it =
and then pushes the heated air down which can lead to the radiator =
re-breathing the hot air again. The idea apparently is not new, DHMC =
apparently used it on some of the Sebring cars.

=20

I can tell you that it definitely works and allows your Healey to keep =
its cool!

Happy Healeying,

Darryl

'67 HBJ8L41258

=20

=20

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lang=3DEN-GB =
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D'>Hi Darryl,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Here in Vienna in Austria the highest temperatures in summer stay =
between 35 and 38 deg. C, but may go down to minus 15 deg C in winter. =
Therefore the temperature range is even higher. But I have to admit, =
that my BN1 stays in the garage from the day of the first ice or snow =
every year until sand and salt are gone in spring. But the lowest =
temperatures at which I have driven the Healey were around 0 deg. =
C.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Of course regarding overheating your higher temperatures are the =
bigger problem. Here the combination of summer temperatures and driving =
up into the mountains might be a similar challenge for every =
car.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Nevertheless I only had overheating issues due to problems with =
settings on the carbs or the distributor or in the time before I had to =
rebuild the motor (bearing at crankshaft and the rockers were the main =
reason). During the work on the engine I had a high efficiency net =
installed in the radiator and run our usual antifreeze. Everything else =
is standard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Your solution with the metal plate sounds very interesting. Do you =
have pictures? What kind of metal did you use and how thin is =
it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Reinhart<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Reinhart Rosner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>55 AH 100 BN 1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Vienna =E2=80=93 Austria<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys =
[mailto:[email-masked]] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Deejay2650 =
via Healeys<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 09. M=C3=A4rz 2021 =
05:00<br><b>An:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Overheating<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>G'day to All,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I live in the Riverina district of New South Wales =
where temperatures go from minus 3 degrees C (24 degrees F) in winter to =
42 degrees C (104 degrees F) in summer which, I think you will agree, is =
a large variance. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My '67 BJ8 is running the original radiator,&nbsp; =
Texas cooler fan, sleeved thermostat, original water pump, Lucas D25 =
distributor and standard coil. The engine is standard although 30 thou =
oversize. I run a 7lb psi radiator cap.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
run de-mineralised water and Penrite Classic coolant (which contains no =
anti-freeze) but has the ability to coat <b>all cooling surfaces</b> and =
make (I know this sounds silly) the water <b>wetter </b>and a electric =
fan in front of the radiator.Which, I may add, I have used very rarely =
over 6 years of ownership.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My temps usually run from160 F to 190 F all year round =
with of course an increase to 210-212C on heat =
soak.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The one thing that I have fitted, (which is definitely =
not original) is a thin metal plate, a great idea made by a Healey mate =
of mine, that fits from the bottom edge of the lower front beaver tail =
to the front of the main cross-member with tech screws attaching it. It =
covers the entire bottom surface underneath of the radiator and part of =
the sump.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The idea being =
is the fan draws cool air through the radiator, heats it and then pushes =
the heated air down which can lead to the radiator re-breathing the hot =
air again. The idea apparently is not new, DHMC apparently used it on =
some of the Sebring cars.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
can tell you that it definitely works and allows your Healey to keep its =
cool!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Happy =
Healeying,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Darryl<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'67 HBJ8L41258<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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