Subject: Re: [Healeys] current draw of wipers

From: Bob Haskell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 11:36:12 -0400

Mirek,

I believe that stall current is the load developed when the motor is not 
able to rotate - the mechanism is locked up - wipers frozen to the 
windshield.  I"m an oldish mechanical engineer, not electrical.  So 
someone else may have a better answer.

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar

On 3/14/21 10:31 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote:
>
> Happy Sunday!,  I am making some decisions on bulbs (and the LED 
> equivalent) for some Lucas Spot lamps I am fitting to my BT7, and I am 
> concerned about the total draw if I have headlamps, spot lamps and 
> wipers on.  I know it is getting close to the measly 22 amp max output 
> of the generator.
>
> The manual has specs for the wiper motor: “normal running: 2.3 to 3.1 
> amps”. Then is gives “Stall Current” for the motor hot as 8 amps and 
> for the cold motor 14 amps.  My question is, what is “Stall Current”?  
> The draw is huge compared to the normal running draw.  Also, by cold 
> motor, I assume they mean the wiper motor as I cannot see how the 
> engine temp would matter. However, although I get it that electric 
> motors generate some heat, I don’t think of them as “warming up”, or 
> running hot or cold, so the huge difference between  “hot motor” and 
> “cold motor” stall current further confuses me.
>
> Any help from the electric whizzes out there would be appreciated.
>
> BTW – regarding bulbs for the Spots, I like the idea of using LEDs as 
> the current draw is so low and the light better, but I find that 
> bright piercing light inconsistent with the character of our cars (a 
> personal preference) and the price of them is almost 3 times a BPF 48 
> W quartz halogen bulb.  I also consider that I have been driving my 
> BT7 for 46 years without spot lamps and got along OK, so I question 
> the need to go to LEDs, other than the advantage of low current draw.  
> Any experiences from those of you who have spot lamps with 
> conventional bulbs and the older low output generator (i.e. BT/BN7 and 
> earlier), would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
>
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From: Michael Salter via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 11:42:51 -0400

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Yes Bob I would agree and when the motor is cold it will pass more current
as I understand it.

M

On Sun., Mar. 14, 2021, 11:36 a.m. Bob Haskell, <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> > The manual has specs for the wiper motor: =E2=80=9Cnormal running: 2.3 =
to 3.1
> > amps=E2=80=9D. Then is gives =E2=80=9CStall Current=E2=80=9D for the mo=
tor hot as 8 amps and
> > for the cold motor 14 amps.  My question is, what is =E2=80=9CStall Cur=
rent=E2=80=9D?
> > motors generate some heat, I don=E2=80=99t think of them as =E2=80=9Cwa=
rming up=E2=80=9D, or
> > running hot or cold, so the huge difference between  =E2=80=9Chot motor=
=E2=80=9D and
> > =E2=80=9Ccold motor=E2=80=9D stall current further confuses me.
> >
> > BTW =E2=80=93 regarding bulbs for the Spots, I like the idea of using L=
EDs as
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<div dir=3D"auto">Yes Bob I would agree and when the motor is cold it will =
pass more current as I understand it.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun., Mar. 14, 2021, 11:36 a.m. Bob Haskell, &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Mirek,<br>
<br>
I believe that stall current is the load developed when the motor is not <b=
r>
able to rotate - the mechanism is locked up - wipers frozen to the <br>
windshield.=C2=A0 I&quot;m an oldish mechanical engineer, not electrical.=
=C2=A0 So <br>
someone else may have a better answer.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bob Haskell<br>
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br>
<br>
On 3/14/21 10:31 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Happy Sunday!,=C2=A0 I am making some decisions on bulbs (and the LED =
<br>
&gt; equivalent) for some Lucas Spot lamps I am fitting to my BT7, and I am=
 <br>
&gt; concerned about the total draw if I have headlamps, spot lamps and <br=
&gt; wipers on.=C2=A0 I know it is getting close to the measly 22 amp max o=
utput <br>
&gt; of the generator.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The manual has specs for the wiper motor: =E2=80=9Cnormal running: 2.3=
 to 3.1 <br>
&gt; amps=E2=80=9D. Then is gives =E2=80=9CStall Current=E2=80=9D for the m=
otor hot as 8 amps and <br>
&gt; for the cold motor 14 amps.=C2=A0 My question is, what is =E2=80=9CSta=
ll Current=E2=80=9D?=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; The draw is huge compared to the normal running draw.=C2=A0 Also, by c=
old <br>
&gt; motor, I assume they mean the wiper motor as I cannot see how the <br>
&gt; engine temp would matter. However, although I get it that electric <br=
&gt; motors generate some heat, I don=E2=80=99t think of them as =E2=80=9Cw=
arming up=E2=80=9D, or <br>
&gt; running hot or cold, so the huge difference between =C2=A0=E2=80=9Chot=
 motor=E2=80=9D and <br>
&gt; =E2=80=9Ccold motor=E2=80=9D stall current further confuses me.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Any help from the electric whizzes out there would be appreciated.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; BTW =E2=80=93 regarding bulbs for the Spots, I like the idea of using =
LEDs as <br>
&gt; the current draw is so low and the light better, but I find that <br>
&gt; bright piercing light inconsistent with the character of our cars (a <=
br>
&gt; personal preference) and the price of them is almost 3 times a BPF 48 =
<br>
&gt; W quartz halogen bulb.=C2=A0 I also consider that I have been driving =
my <br>
&gt; BT7 for 46 years without spot lamps and got along OK, so I question <b=
r>
&gt; the need to go to LEDs, other than the advantage of low current draw.=
=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; Any experiences from those of you who have spot lamps with <br>
&gt; conventional bulbs and the older low output generator (i.e. BT/BN7 and=
 <br>
&gt; earlier), would be appreciated.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Cheers, Mirek<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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From: "m.g.sharp--- via Healeys" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 12:47:26 -0400

A sign of my advancing years and arcane brain is that I often forget to just
"google it".  The inter-web says:

"Stall current is the maximum current drawn, when the motor is applying its
maximum torque, either because it is being prevented from moving entirely or
because it can no longer accelerate given the load it is under."

Given that, I imagine that the draw will increase as resistance in the wiper
mechanism increases.  So old, stiff grease, general wear, bushings in the
wheel boxes creating friction, etc., will all increase the current draw.
Unless I actually find the energy and initiative to go out and measure it, I
think I'll use something like 5-6A in my calculations.

Still happy to hear opinions/experience on bulbs (halogen vs LED) for the
spot lamps.

Cheers, Mirek

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Haskell <[email-masked]> 
Sent: March 14, 2021 11:36 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] current draw of wipers

Mirek,

I believe that stall current is the load developed when the motor is not
able to rotate - the mechanism is locked up - wipers frozen to the
windshield.  I"m an oldish mechanical engineer, not electrical.  So someone
else may have a better answer.

Cheers,

Bob Haskell

On 3/14/21 10:31 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote:
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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 12:49:24 -0400

Thank Bob and Mike, that makes intuitive sense based on the term “stall
current”, but I am surprised that they would give  that as a specification,
which is why I though it might be something else.  Why would they provide a
stall current for wipers, but not the starter motor, which can also lock up?
Also, if  the stall current for the wiper cold is 14 A, then why not put a
10A fuse on the circuit to save the motor if something jams?

Mirek

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] <[email-masked]> 
Sent: March 14, 2021 12:47 PM
To: 'Bob Haskell' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]'
<[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [Healeys] current draw of wipers

Cheers, Mirek

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Haskell <[email-masked]>
Sent: March 14, 2021 11:36 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] current draw of wipers

Mirek,

Cheers,

Bob Haskell

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-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of
[email-masked]
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 9:49 AM
To: 'Bob Haskell'; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] current draw of wipers

Thank Bob and Mike, that makes intuitive sense based on the term =
=93stall
current=94, but I am surprised that they would give  that as a =
specification,
which is why I though it might be something else.  Why would they =
provide a
stall current for wipers, but not the starter motor, which can also lock =
up?
Also, if  the stall current for the wiper cold is 14 A, then why not put =
a
10A fuse on the circuit to save the motor if something jams?

Mirek

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: March 14, 2021 12:47 PM
To: 'Bob Haskell' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]'
<[email-masked]>

A sign of my advancing years and arcane brain is that I often forget to =
just
"google it".  The inter-web says:

"Stall current is the maximum current drawn, when the motor is applying =
its
maximum torque, either because it is being prevented from moving =
entirely or
because it can no longer accelerate given the load it is under."

Given that, I imagine that the draw will increase as resistance in the =
wiper
mechanism increases.  So old, stiff grease, general wear, bushings in =
the
wheel boxes creating friction, etc., will all increase the current draw.
Unless I actually find the energy and initiative to go out and measure =
it, I
think I'll use something like 5-6A in my calculations.

Still happy to hear opinions/experience on bulbs (halogen vs LED) for =
the
spot lamps.

Cheers, Mirek

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Haskell <[email-masked]>
Sent: March 14, 2021 11:36 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] current draw of wipers

Mirek,

I believe that stall current is the load developed when the motor is not
able to rotate - the mechanism is locked up - wipers frozen to the
windshield.=A0 I"m an oldish mechanical engineer, not electrical.=A0 So =
someone
else may have a better answer.

Cheers,

Bob Haskell

On 3/14/21 10:31 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote:
>
> Happy Sunday!,=A0 I am making some decisions on bulbs (and the LED
> equivalent) for some Lucas Spot lamps I am fitting to my BT7, and I am =

> concerned about the total draw if I have headlamps, spot lamps and=20
> wipers on.=A0 I know it is getting close to the measly 22 amp max =
output=20
> of the generator.
>
> The manual has specs for the wiper motor: =93normal running: 2.3 to =
3.1=20
> amps=94. Then is gives =93Stall Current=94 for the motor hot as 8 amps =
and=20
> for the cold motor 14 amps.=A0 My question is, what is =93Stall =
Current=94?
> The draw is huge compared to the normal running draw.=A0 Also, by cold =

> motor, I assume they mean the wiper motor as I cannot see how the=20
> engine temp would matter. However, although I get it that electric=20
> motors generate some heat, I don=92t think of them as =93warming =
up=94, or=20
> running hot or cold, so the huge difference between =A0=93hot motor=94 =
and=20
> =93cold motor=94 stall current further confuses me.
>
> BTW =96 regarding bulbs for the Spots, I like the idea of using LEDs =
as=20
> the current draw is so low and the light better, but I find that=20
> bright piercing light inconsistent with the character of our cars (a=20
> personal preference) and the price of them is almost 3 times a BPF 48=20
> W quartz halogen bulb.=A0 I also consider that I have been driving my
> BT7 for 46 years without spot lamps and got along OK, so I question=20
> Any experiences from those of you who have spot lamps with=20
> conventional bulbs and the older low output generator (i.e. BT/BN7 and =

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From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 19:56:12 -0000

Yes, I got the error message too.
Simon

-----Original Message-----
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via Healeys
Sent: 14 March 2021 18:43
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] current draw of wipers

Yes:  this message

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From: Bob Haskell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:22:43 -0400

All big Healeys use the DR2 wiper motor?

See page 2 for the test data:
DR2: 
http://liblbc.info/images/Lucas/WorkshopInstructions50/secJ-5_issue2.pdf
DR3: 
http://liblbc.info/images/Lucas/WorkshopInstructions50/secJ-7_issue1.pdf

Cheers,

Bob Haskell

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 10:18:38 +0000

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Bob

Not all big Healrys fit the DR2 Wiper motor. The BN1 fits CRT.

If the full load on the dynamo/generator is a little above its full
capability then there will be a small drain on the battery. There will be a
greater load on the battery when the engine is idling when the generator
current drops. So over time if the full load you mention happens all the
time then slowly the battery will lose its charge but only if the full load
you suggest is there all the time, which is unlikely unless one only drives
at night with wipers on and never in the daytime with the lights off.

The stall current you mention is what happens if for example the wiper
blades are frozen to the windscreen. If this were to happen the high
current of about 8 to 10 amps will soon overheat and damage the motor so
inside the motor is an overcurrent thermal devfice that disconnects the
power, so there is no need to be concerned about this.

Best regards

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 20:23, Bob Haskell <[email-masked]> wrote:

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob<div><br></div><div>Not all big Healrys=C2=A0fit the DR=
2 Wiper motor. The BN1 fits CRT.</div><div><br></div><div>If the full load =
on the dynamo/generator is a little above its full capability then there wi=
ll be a small drain on the battery. There will be a greater load on the bat=
tery when the engine is idling when the generator current drops. So over ti=
me if the full load you mention happens all the time then slowly the batter=
y will lose=C2=A0its charge but only if the full load you suggest is there =
all the time, which is unlikely unless one only drives at night with wipers=
 on and never in the daytime with the lights off.</div><div><br></div><div>=
The stall current you mention is what happens if for example the wiper blad=
es are frozen to the windscreen. If this were to happen the high current of=
 about 8 to 10 amps will soon overheat and=C2=A0damage the motor so inside =
the motor is an overcurrent=C2=A0thermal devfice=C2=A0that disconnects the =
power, so there is no need to be concerned=C2=A0about this.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Best regards</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 20:23, Bob Haskell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rchaskell@ear=
thlink.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">All big Healeys use the DR2 wiper motor?=
<br>
<br>
See page 2 for the test data:<br>
DR2: <br>
<a href=3D"http://liblbc.info/images/Lucas/WorkshopInstructions50/secJ-5_is=
sue2.pdf" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://liblbc.info/images/Lu=
cas/WorkshopInstructions50/secJ-5_issue2.pdf</a><br>
DR3: <br>
<a href=3D"http://liblbc.info/images/Lucas/WorkshopInstructions50/secJ-7_is=
sue1.pdf" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://liblbc.info/images/Lu=
cas/WorkshopInstructions50/secJ-7_issue1.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bob Haskell<br>
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br>
<br>
On 3/14/21 3:56 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:<br>
&gt; Yes, I got the error message too.<br>
&gt; Simon<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; On Behalf Of sentena=
c.rw---<br>
&gt; via Healeys<br>
&gt; Sent: 14 March 2021 18:43<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">warthodson=
@aol.com</a><br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healey=
[email-masked]</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] current draw of wipers<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Yes:=C2=A0 this message<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; OFFENDING COMMAND: get<br>
&gt;&gt; STACK:<br>
&gt;&gt; /quit<br>
&gt;&gt; -dictionary-<br>
&gt;&gt; -mark<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2021 12:03 pm<br>
&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] current draw of wipers<br>
&gt; On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 17:58:26 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Did everyone get an error message when opening this attachment?Gar=
y<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;&gt; From: Harold Manifold via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">m.=
[email-masked]</a>; &#39;Bob Haskell&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rchas=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;<br>
&gt;&gt; [email-masked]: undefine<br>
&gt;&gt; This page from an old Lucas service manual may help<br>
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From: Michael Oritt via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 16:25:49 -0400

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John said:  "Not all big Healeys fit the DR2 Wiper motor. The BN1 fits CRT."
-----------------------------
If I'm not mistaken the motor in my BN1 when I acquired it was non-self
parking and it was a trick to get the blades to fall as close as possible
to the bottom of the windscreen.
I replaced my motor with a later one--perhaps the one cited--that was not
only self-parking but also two-speed (along with a different switch),
though the difference between fast and slow seems negligible.

I wonder why no one has ever made a wiper arm with a bend or kink in it
that would bring the blade, when parked, parallel to the bottom edge of the
windscreen.  Guess that would make too much sense....

Best--Michael Oritt

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">John =
said:=C2=A0 &quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Not all big Healeys=C2=
=A0fit the DR2 Wiper motor. The BN1 fits CRT.&quot;</span></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"=
>-----------------------------</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"color:#3333ff"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">If I&#39;m not mistak=
en=C2=A0the motor in my BN1 when I acquired it was non-self parking and it =
was a trick to get the blades=C2=A0to fall as close as possible to the bott=
om of the windscreen.</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"col=
or:#3333ff"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">I replaced my motor with=C2=A0=
a later one--perhaps the one cited--that was not only self-parking but also=
 two-speed (along with=C2=A0a different switch), though the difference betw=
een fast and slow seems negligible.</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><span style=3D"color:=
rgb(0,0,0)">I wonder why no one=C2=A0has ever made a wiper arm with a bend =
or kink in it that would bring the=C2=A0blade, when parked, parallel to the=
 bottom edge of the windscreen.=C2=A0 Guess that would make too much sense.=
...</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"color:#3333ff"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Best--Michael Oritt<=
/span></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 11:22 AM john harper &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob<div><br></=
div><div>Not all big Healrys=C2=A0fit the DR2 Wiper motor. The BN1 fits CRT=
.</div><div><br></div><div>If the full load on the dynamo/generator is a li=
ttle above its full capability then there will be a small drain on the batt=
ery. There will be a greater load on the battery when the engine is idling =
when the generator current drops. So over time if the full load you mention=
 happens all the time then slowly the battery will lose=C2=A0its charge but=
 only if the full load you suggest is there all the time, which is unlikely=
 unless one only drives at night with wipers on and never in the daytime wi=
th the lights off.</div><div><br></div><div>The stall current you mention i=
s what happens if for example the wiper blades are frozen to the windscreen=
. If this were to happen the high current of about 8 to 10 amps will soon o=
verheat and=C2=A0damage the motor so inside the motor is an overcurrent=C2=
=A0thermal devfice=C2=A0that disconnects the power, so there is no need to =
be concerned=C2=A0about this.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards</div><d=
iv><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 20:23, Bo=
b Haskell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex">All big Healeys use the DR2 wiper motor?<br>
<br>
See page 2 for the test data:<br>
DR2: <br>
<a href=3D"http://liblbc.info/images/Lucas/WorkshopInstructions50/secJ-5_is=
sue2.pdf" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://liblbc.info/images/Lu=
cas/WorkshopInstructions50/secJ-5_issue2.pdf</a><br>
DR3: <br>
<a href=3D"http://liblbc.info/images/Lucas/WorkshopInstructions50/secJ-7_is=
sue1.pdf" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://liblbc.info/images/Lu=
cas/WorkshopInstructions50/secJ-7_issue1.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bob Haskell<br>
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br>
<br>
On 3/14/21 3:56 PM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:<br>
&gt; Yes, I got the error message too.<br>
&gt; Simon<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; On Behalf Of sentena=
c.rw---<br>
&gt; via Healeys<br>
&gt; Sent: 14 March 2021 18:43<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">warthodson=
@aol.com</a><br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healey=
[email-masked]</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] current draw of wipers<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Yes:=C2=A0 this message<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; OFFENDING COMMAND: get<br>
&gt;&gt; STACK:<br>
&gt;&gt; /quit<br>
&gt;&gt; -dictionary-<br>
&gt;&gt; -mark<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2021 12:03 pm<br>
&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] current draw of wipers<br>
&gt; On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 17:58:26 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Did everyone get an error message when opening this attachment?Gar=
y<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;&gt; From: Harold Manifold via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">m.=
[email-masked]</a>; &#39;Bob Haskell&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rchas=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;<br>
&gt;&gt; [email-masked]: undefine<br>
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