Subject: Re: [Healeys] Radiator flush

From: "David Nock BCS" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 12:42:40 -0700

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If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water.=20

The water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows thru the =
heater from the lower hose thru the heater returning to the head.=20

Water will not flow backwards thru the heater valve.

David Nock
British Car Specialists
209-948-8767
www.britishcarspecialists.com

From: i erbs=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 11:10 AM
To: Ahealey help=20
Subject: [Healeys] Radiator flush

Hello all,=20
Preparing to install my alum radiator. Thought I would flush the cooling =
system.
Which diretion direction does water flow? From block though=20
Shut off vavle into heater core, or through pipe and back into block =
through the shut off valve?
Is my valve in open ir closed position? Heater controls not reinstalled =
yet. Unit get hot so Ill asume open, but want to confirm. Removed =
thermostat to help water flush ststem easier. Im going to add extra hose =
and splice in a water hose bib. That way I can remove it and put system =
back in place.
Im off this week, but the rain gods are laughing at me. So I'm just =
getting everything ready for the sweet spot of having time and sunshine =
so I can back the car out of the garage and flush the system. I plan to =
drain the anti freeze and fill with flush chemicals and water when I'm =
ready to flush. Bought new anti freeze for my new radiator.
Driving season is fast approaching.
Happy roads and saftey fast

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR
typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone

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<DIV>If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled =
water.=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows thru the =
heater=20
from the lower hose thru the heater returning to the head. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Water will not flow backwards thru the heater valve.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">David=20
Nock<BR>British Car=20
Specialists<BR>209-948-8767<BR>www.britishcarspecialists.com</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">i erbs</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 03, 2019 11:10 AM</DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Ahealey help</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Healeys] Radiator flush</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
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<DIV>Hello all,=20
<DIV>Preparing to install my alum radiator. Thought I would flush the =
cooling=20
system.</DIV>
<DIV>Which diretion direction does water flow? From block though =
<BR>Shut off=20
vavle into heater core, or through pipe and back into block through the =
shut off=20
valve?</DIV>
<DIV>Is my valve in open ir closed position? Heater controls not =
reinstalled=20
yet. Unit get hot so Ill asume open, but want to confirm. Removed =
thermostat to=20
help water flush ststem easier. Im going to add extra hose and splice in =
a water=20
hose bib. That way I can remove it and put system back in place.</DIV>
<DIV>Im off this week, but the rain gods are laughing at me. So I'm just =
getting=20
everything ready for the sweet spot of having time and sunshine so I can =
back=20
the car out of the garage and flush the system. I plan to drain the anti =
freeze=20
and fill with flush chemicals and water when I'm ready to flush. Bought =
new anti=20
freeze for my new radiator.</DIV>
<DIV>Driving season is fast approaching.</DIV>
<DIV>Happy roads and saftey fast<BR>
<DIV data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Ira Erbs<BR>Portland, =
OR<BR>typos and=20
artifacts are the fault of my phone</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 17:50:51 -0400

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" If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water"
Those are definitely the words of someone who "has suffered the
consequences" ...

M

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:47 PM David Nock BCS <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water.
>
> The water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows thru the heater
> from the lower hose thru the heater returning to the head.
>
> *From:* i erbs <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2019 11:10 AM
> *To:* Ahealey help <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Radiator flush
>
> Hello all,
> Preparing to install my alum radiator. Thought I would flush the cooling
> system.
> Which diretion direction does water flow? From block though
> Shut off vavle into heater core, or through pipe and back into block
> Is my valve in open ir closed position? Heater controls not reinstalled
> yet. Unit get hot so Ill asume open, but want to confirm. Removed
> thermostat to help water flush ststem easier. Im going to add extra hose
> and splice in a water hose bib. That way I can remove it and put system
> back in place.
> Im off this week, but the rain gods are laughing at me. So I'm just
> getting everything ready for the sweet spot of having time and sunshine so
> I can back the car out of the garage and flush the system. I plan to drain
> the anti freeze and fill with flush chemicals and water when I'm ready to
> flush. Bought new anti freeze for my new radiator.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">&quot;
If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water&quot=
;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans=
-serif;font-size:small">Those are definitely the words of someone who &quot=
;has suffered the consequences&quot; ...</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:small">M<br>

</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:47 PM David Nock BCS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,=
0)">
<div>If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water=
.=20
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>The water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows thru the hea=
ter=20
from the lower hose thru the heater returning to the head. </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Water will not flow backwards thru the heater valve.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,=
0)">David=20
Nock<br>British Car=20
Specialists<br>209-948-8767<br><a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.=
com" target=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inlin=
e">
<div style=3D"font:10pt tahoma">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"background:rgb(245,245,245) none repeat scroll 0% 0%">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:eyera3000=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">i erbs</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 03, 2019 11:10 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:healeys@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Ahealey help</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Radiator flush</div></div></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inlin=
e">
<div>Hello all,=20
<div>Preparing to install my alum radiator. Thought I would flush the cooli=
ng=20
system.</div>
<div>Which diretion direction does water flow? From block though <br>Shut o=
ff=20
vavle into heater core, or through pipe and back into block through the shu=
t off=20
valve?</div>
<div>Is my valve in open ir closed position? Heater controls not reinstalle=
d=20
yet. Unit get hot so Ill asume open, but want to confirm. Removed thermosta=
t to=20
help water flush ststem easier. Im going to add extra hose and splice in a =
water=20
hose bib. That way I can remove it and put system back in place.</div>
<div>Im off this week, but the rain gods are laughing at me. So I&#39;m jus=
t getting=20
everything ready for the sweet spot of having time and sunshine so I can ba=
ck=20
the car out of the garage and flush the system. I plan to drain the anti fr=
eeze=20
and fill with flush chemicals and water when I&#39;m ready to flush. Bought=
 new anti=20
freeze for my new radiator.</div>
<div>Driving season is fast approaching.</div>
<div>Happy roads and saftey fast<br>
<div>Ira Erbs<br>Portland, OR<br>typos and=20
artifacts are the fault of my phone</div></div></div>
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From: i erbs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 14:51:50 -0700

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heard and will be respected.
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB  

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

>> Water will not flow backwards thru the heater valve.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">heard and will be respected.<br clear=3D"all"><div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:&=
#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______</span><br style=3D"font-family:&#39;=
Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman=
&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</span>=
<br style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=
=A0 (_________________________)</span></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>1967 MGB =C2=A0<img src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/i=
mages/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3D"MG"></div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:14px">A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustme=
nts. Mario Andretti</span><br></div><div>Please excuse random auto corrects=
 and misspelled words</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>=
</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at =
2:51 PM Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mich=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:small">&quot;
If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water&quot=
;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans m=
s&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:small">Those are definitely the words of someo=
ne who &quot;has suffered the consequences&quot; ...</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-=
size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br>

[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
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<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 11:18:23 -0400

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Back to the matter of using Distilled Water.  I discussed this comment =
with my German/American friend who was installing a aluminum radiator in =
his Lagonda Drop Head Coup.  He has owned various European Vehicles with =
aluminum radiators, and classic cars with aluminum radiators.  He cannot =
understand the need for distilled water if you are using antifreeze =
which includes anti-corrosion additives or using such additive =
separately.  Furthermore, the biggest problem with alloy radiators is =
the matter of a good grounded engine.  His experience the failure of the =
alloy radiator is a poorly grounded engine which causes the electric =
current to run to ground via the water in coolant system  hence destroy =
the aluminum being dissimilar metal.   So check the soundness of the =
ground.

=20

Bob Begani

BJ8 67

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked] =
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:51 PM
To: David Nock BCS <[email-masked] =
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Radiator flush

=20

" If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled =
water"

Those are definitely the words of someone who "has suffered the =
consequences" ...

=20

M

=20

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:47 PM David Nock BCS <[email-masked] =

=20

=20

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David Nock
British Car Specialists
209-948-8767
www.britishcarspecialists.com <http://www.britishcarspecialists.com>=20

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Hello all,=20

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>B=
ack to the matter of using Distilled Water.&nbsp; I discussed this =
comment with my German/American friend who was installing a aluminum =
radiator in his Lagonda Drop Head Coup.&nbsp; He has owned various =
European Vehicles with aluminum radiators, and classic cars with =
aluminum radiators.&nbsp; He cannot understand the need for distilled =
water if you are using antifreeze which includes anti-corrosion =
additives or using such additive separately.&nbsp; Furthermore, the =
biggest problem with alloy radiators is the matter of a good grounded =
engine.&nbsp; His experience the failure of the alloy radiator is a =
poorly grounded engine which causes the electric current to run to =
ground via the water in coolant system &nbsp;hence destroy the aluminum =
being dissimilar metal.&nbsp; &nbsp;So check the soundness of the =
ground.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>B=
ob Begani<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>B=
J8 67<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Nock BCS &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; i =
erbs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Radiator flush<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'>&quot; If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use =
Distilled water&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'>Those are definitely the words of someone who &quot;has =
suffered the consequences&quot; ...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS"'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:47 PM David Nock BCS &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>If =
you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>The =
water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows thru the heater =
from the lower hose thru the heater returning to the head. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>Water =
will not flow backwards thru the heater =
valve.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:black'>David =
Nock<br>British Car Specialists<br>209-948-8767<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>=
</div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Fr=
om:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"[email-masked]">i erbs</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Se=
nt:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Wednesday, April 03, 2019 11:10 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To=
:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"[email-masked]">Ahealey help</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Su=
bject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
[Healeys] Radiator flush<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
</div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hello all, =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Preparing to install my alum =
radiator. Thought I would flush the cooling =
system.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Which diretion direction does =
water flow? From block though <br>Shut off vavle into heater core, or =
through pipe and back into block through the shut off =
valve?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Is my valve in open ir closed =
position? Heater controls not reinstalled yet. Unit get hot so Ill asume =
open, but want to confirm. Removed thermostat to help water flush ststem =
easier. Im going to add extra hose and splice in a water hose bib. That =
way I can remove it and put system back in =
place.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Im off this week, but the rain =
gods are laughing at me. So I'm just getting everything ready for the =
sweet spot of having time and sunshine so I can back the car out of the =
garage and flush the system. I plan to drain the anti freeze and fill =
with flush chemicals and water when I'm ready to flush. Bought new anti =
freeze for my new radiator.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Driving =
season is fast approaching.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Happy =
roads and saftey fast<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Ira =
Erbs<br>Portland, OR<br>typos and artifacts are the fault of my =
phone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=3DMsoNormal =
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From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
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Much and all as that sounds like a good theory I am having difficulty with
the logic.
A starter won't work if an engine isn't adequately grounded and a ground of
sufficient size to operate a starter will definitely be big enough to
eliminate any EMF difference between the engine and the chassis.
I've had an aluminum radiator corrode to worthlessness after only 3 years,
with corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to hear a realistic
explanation for why it happened.

M

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 11:56 AM Robert Begani, <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
>
> Back to the matter of using Distilled Water.  I discussed this comment
> with my German/American friend who was installing a aluminum radiator in
> his Lagonda Drop Head Coup.  He has owned various European Vehicles with
> aluminum radiators, and classic cars with aluminum radiators.  He cannot
> understand the need for distilled water if you are using antifreeze which
> includes anti-corrosion additives or using such additive separately.
> Furthermore, the biggest problem with alloy radiators is the matter of a
> good grounded engine.  His experience the failure of the alloy radiator is
> a poorly grounded engine which causes the electric current to run to ground
> via the water in coolant system  hence destroy the aluminum being
> dissimilar metal.   So check the soundness of the ground.
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
> BJ8 67
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Salter
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:51 PM
> *To:* David Nock BCS <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Ahealey help <[email-masked]>; i erbs <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Radiator flush
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Much and all as that sounds like a good theory I am havin=
g difficulty with the logic.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">A starter won&#39;t wor=
k if an engine isn&#39;t adequately grounded and a ground of sufficient siz=
e to operate a starter will definitely be big enough to eliminate any EMF d=
ifference between the engine and the chassis.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
I&#39;ve had an aluminum radiator corrode to worthlessness after only 3 yea=
rs, with corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to hear a realis=
tic explanation for why it happened.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 11:56 AM Robert Begani, &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlin=
k=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_3815811086204272847WordSection1"><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Back =
to the matter of using Distilled Water.=C2=A0 I discussed this comment with=
 my German/American friend who was installing a aluminum radiator in his La=
gonda Drop Head Coup.=C2=A0 He has owned various European Vehicles with alu=
minum radiators, and classic cars with aluminum radiators.=C2=A0 He cannot =
understand the need for distilled water if you are using antifreeze which i=
ncludes anti-corrosion additives or using such additive separately.=C2=A0 F=
urthermore, the biggest problem with alloy radiators is the matter of a goo=
d grounded engine.=C2=A0 His experience the failure of the alloy radiator i=
s a poorly grounded engine which causes the electric current to run to grou=
nd via the water in coolant system =C2=A0hence destroy the aluminum being d=
issimilar metal.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So check the soundness of the ground.<u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Bob Begani<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">BJ8 67<u></u><u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, A=
pril 3, 2019 5:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Nock BCS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hea=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeydoc@sbcglo=
bal.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;; i erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Hea=
leys] Radiator flush<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&quot; If you are installing a alloy=
 radiator be sure and use Distilled water&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Those are definitely the words of someone who &q=
uot;has suffered the consequences&quot; ...<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans=
 MS&quot;">M<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 a=
t 5:47 PM David Nock BCS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cc=
cccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;mar=
gin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;co=
lor:black">If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled=
 water. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">Th=
e water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows thru the heater fro=
m the lower hose thru the heater returning to the head. <u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">Water will not flow backwards=
 thru the heater valve.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,seri=
f;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;=
color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;co=
lor:black">David Nock<br>British Car Specialists<br>209-948-8767<br><a href=
=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
/div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" title=3D"[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">i erb=
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 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
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u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></di=
v></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;co=
lor:black">Hello all, <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Preparing to install my alum r=
adiator. Thought I would flush the cooling system.<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:bla=
ck">Which diretion direction does water flow? From block though <br>Shut of=
f vavle into heater core, or through pipe and back into block through the s=
hut off valve?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Is my valve in open ir closed po=
sition? Heater controls not reinstalled yet. Unit get hot so Ill asume open=
, but want to confirm. Removed thermostat to help water flush ststem easier=
. Im going to add extra hose and splice in a water hose bib. That way I can=
 remove it and put system back in place.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Im off=
 this week, but the rain gods are laughing at me. So I&#39;m just getting e=
verything ready for the sweet spot of having time and sunshine so I can bac=
k the car out of the garage and flush the system. I plan to drain the anti =
freeze and fill with flush chemicals and water when I&#39;m ready to flush.=
 Bought new anti freeze for my new radiator.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dr=
iving season is fast approaching.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Happy roads a=
nd saftey fast<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
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that is an interesting take on the issue.
Thanks
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB  

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 9:18 AM Robert Begani <[email-masked]> wrote:

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<div dir=3D"ltr">that is an interesting take on the issue.<div>Thanks<br cl=
ear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=
=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div><=
span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______</span><b=
r style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font=
-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1=
959 BN4____/ _______)</span><br style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#=
39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)</span></div><div=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>1967 MGB =C2=A0<img src=3D"http://www.britishca=
rspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3D"MG"></div><div><br></d=
iv><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue=
&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">A racing car is an animal=
 with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span><br></div><div>Please ex=
cuse random auto corrects and misspelled words</div></div></div></div></div=
></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><b=
r></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 9:18 AM Robert Begani &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gma=
il-m_-5394139935368622243WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family=
:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Back to the matter of using Distill=
ed Water.=C2=A0 I discussed this comment with my German/American friend who=
 was installing a aluminum radiator in his Lagonda Drop Head Coup.=C2=A0 He=
 has owned various European Vehicles with aluminum radiators, and classic c=
ars with aluminum radiators.=C2=A0 He cannot understand the need for distil=
led water if you are using antifreeze which includes anti-corrosion additiv=
es or using such additive separately.=C2=A0 Furthermore, the biggest proble=
m with alloy radiators is the matter of a good grounded engine.=C2=A0 His e=
xperience the failure of the alloy radiator is a poorly grounded engine whi=
ch causes the electric current to run to ground via the water in coolant sy=
stem =C2=A0hence destroy the aluminum being dissimilar metal.=C2=A0 =C2=A0S=
o check the soundness of the ground.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:r=
gb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=
Bob Begani<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">BJ8 67<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heal=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, Apr=
il 3, 2019 5:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Nock BCS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heale=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Cc:</b> Ahealey help &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; i erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ey=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subj=
ect:</b> Re: [Healeys] Radiator flush<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&quot; If you are ins=
talling a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water&quot;<u></u><u></u=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Those are definitely the words of s=
omeone who &quot;has suffered the consequences&quot; ...<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-=
family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Com=
ic Sans MS&quot;">M<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 3,=
 2019 at 5:47 PM David Nock BCS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u><=
/p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bott=
om:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;marg=
in:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century,serif;color:black">If you are insta=
lling a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water. <u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-=
family:Century,serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century,s=
erif;color:black">The water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows=
 thru the heater from the lower hose thru the heater returning to the head.=
 <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:12pt;font-family:Century,serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;f=
ont-family:Century,serif;color:black">Water will not flow backwards thru th=
e heater valve.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century,serif;color:black">=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12pt;font-family:Century,serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:Century,serif;color:black">David Nock<br>British Car Specialists<b=
r>209-948-8767<br><a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com" target=
=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div=
><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-f=
amily:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">From:</spa=
n></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:bla=
ck"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">i erbs</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10p=
t;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"> Wednesday, Apri=
l 03, 2019 11:10 AM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@=
autox.team.net" title=3D"[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Ahealey =
help</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tah=
oma,sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10p=
t;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"> [Healeys] Radiator flush<u></=
u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></di=
v><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:blac=
k">Hello all, <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Preparing to install my alum radiator. T=
hought I would flush the cooling system.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Which di=
retion direction does water flow? From block though <br>Shut off vavle into=
 heater core, or through pipe and back into block through the shut off valv=
e?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:12pt;color:black">Is my valve in open ir closed position? Heater=
 controls not reinstalled yet. Unit get hot so Ill asume open, but want to =
confirm. Removed thermostat to help water flush ststem easier. Im going to =
add extra hose and splice in a water hose bib. That way I can remove it and=
 put system back in place.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Im off this week, but =
the rain gods are laughing at me. So I&#39;m just getting everything ready =
for the sweet spot of having time and sunshine so I can back the car out of=
 the garage and flush the system. I plan to drain the anti freeze and fill =
with flush chemicals and water when I&#39;m ready to flush. Bought new anti=
 freeze for my new radiator.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Driving season is fa=
st approaching.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Happy roads and saftey fast<u></u=
><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;color:black">Ira Erbs<br>Portland, OR<br>typos and artifacts are the faul=
t of my phone<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><span style=3D"font-size=
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I have to agree with the theory that grounding can affect an alloy radiator=
. If you have a problem with corrosion despite using corrosion inhibitors t=
hen the problem is not the fluid component of the system it is more likely =
electrolytic corrosion. Maybe the problem isn't engine to chassis grounding=
, but radiator to chassis grounding. It sounds like some effort needs to be=
 made to isolate the radiator (electrically) from the chassis. or to neutra=
lize the electrolytic forces in the system.

Either keeping the radiator out of the electrical loop or assuring it is on=
 the cathode side seems to be a good idea since aluminum is much lower on t=
he noble scale than iron. In a positive ground system the chassis is the an=
ode and if the radiator is grounded to the chassis it will also be an anode=
 and will thus be subject to electrolytic corrosion. (The anode, positive p=
ole, in any circuit gives up electrons which carry the electrical current. =
Loss of large numbers of electrons weakens the atomic structure of anode ma=
terial and causes it to break down or corrode.)

I don't think that distilled water is necessary and as a matter of fact dis=
tilled water should be considered more corrosive than tap water. Water has =
the propensity to oxidize most other types of materials (universal solvent =
and all that) and distilled water has more of that propensity than harder w=
ater because in that case it has been partially saturated by dissolved mine=
rals. The argument for distilled water is that it carries no calcium or oth=
er minerals into the cooling system which might eventually foul the heat ex=
change surfaces. That is a minor danger and would only be a problem if you =
were adding large volumes of water on a regular basis. If your cooling syst=
em is tight it should never be a problem.

Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
________________________________
From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Michael Salter =
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 5:34 PM
To: Robert Begani
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush

Much and all as that sounds like a good theory I am having difficulty with =
the logic.
A starter won't work if an engine isn't adequately grounded and a ground of=
 sufficient size to operate a starter will definitely be big enough to elim=
inate any EMF difference between the engine and the chassis.
I've had an aluminum radiator corrode to worthlessness after only 3 years, =
with corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to hear a realistic =
explanation for why it happened.

M

[email-masked]>> wrote:

Back to the matter of using Distilled Water.  I discussed this comment with=
 my German/American friend who was installing a aluminum radiator in his La=
gonda Drop Head Coup.  He has owned various European Vehicles with aluminum=
 radiators, and classic cars with aluminum radiators.  He cannot understand=
 the need for distilled water if you are using antifreeze which includes an=
ti-corrosion additives or using such additive separately.  Furthermore, the=
 biggest problem with alloy radiators is the matter of a good grounded engi=
ne.  His experience the failure of the alloy radiator is a poorly grounded =
engine which causes the electric current to run to ground via the water in =
coolant system  hence destroy the aluminum being dissimilar metal.   So che=
ck the soundness of the ground.

Bob Begani

BJ8 67

team.net>> On Behalf Of Michael Salter
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:51 PM

Those are definitely the words of someone who "has suffered the consequence=
s" ...

M

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:47 PM David Nock BCS <[email-masked]<mail=
to:[email-masked]>> wrote:

The water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows thru the heater f=
rom the lower hose thru the heater returning to the head.

David Nock
British Car Specialists
209-948-8767
www.britishcarspecialists.com<http://www.britishcarspecialists.com>

Hello all,

Preparing to install my alum radiator. Thought I would flush the cooling sy=
stem.

Which diretion direction does water flow? From block though
Shut off vavle into heater core, or through pipe and back into block throug=
h the shut off valve?

Is my valve in open ir closed position? Heater controls not reinstalled yet=
. Unit get hot so Ill asume open, but want to confirm. Removed thermostat t=
o help water flush ststem easier. Im going to add extra hose and splice in =
a water hose bib. That way I can remove it and put system back in place.

Im off this week, but the rain gods are laughing at me. So I'm just getting=
 everything ready for the sweet spot of having time and sunshine so I can b=
ack the car out of the garage and flush the system. I plan to drain the ant=
i freeze and fill with flush chemicals and water when I'm ready to flush. B=
ought new anti freeze for my new radiator.

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR

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I have to agree with the theory that grounding can affect an alloy radiator=
. If you have a problem with corrosion despite using corrosion inhibitors t=
hen the problem is not the fluid component of the system it is more likely =
electrolytic corrosion. Maybe the
 problem isn't engine to chassis grounding, but radiator to chassis groundi=
ng. It sounds like some effort needs to be made to isolate the radiator (el=
ectrically) from the chassis. or to neutralize the electrolytic forces in t=
he system.&nbsp;</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Either keeping the radiator out of the electrical loop or assuring it is on=
 the cathode side seems to be a good idea since aluminum is much lower on t=
he noble scale than iron. In a positive ground system the chassis is the an=
ode and if the radiator is grounded
 to the chassis it will also be an anode and will thus be subject to electr=
olytic corrosion. (The anode, positive pole, in any circuit gives up electr=
ons which carry the electrical current. Loss of large numbers of electrons =
weakens the atomic structure of
 anode material and causes it to break down or corrode.)</div>
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I don't think that distilled water is necessary and as a matter of fact dis=
tilled water should be considered more corrosive than tap water. Water has =
the propensity to oxidize most other types of materials (universal solvent =
and all that) and distilled water
 has more of that propensity than harder water because in that case it has =
been partially saturated by dissolved minerals. The argument for distilled =
water is that it carries no calcium or other minerals into the cooling syst=
em which might eventually foul the
 heat exchange surfaces. That is a minor danger and would only be a problem=
 if you were adding large volumes of water on a regular basis. If your cool=
ing system is tight it should never be a problem.</div>
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Bill Lawrence</div>
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BN1 #554</div>
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-b=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Michael Salter &lt;michael.salter@gm=
ail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 8, 2019 5:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Begani<br>
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Much and all as that sounds like a good theory I am havin=
g difficulty with the logic.&nbsp;
<div dir=3D"auto">A starter won't work if an engine isn't adequately ground=
ed and a ground of sufficient size to operate a starter will definitely be =
big enough to eliminate any EMF difference between the engine and the chass=
is.&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I've had an aluminum radiator corrode to worthlessness af=
ter only 3 years, with corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to=
 hear a realistic explanation for why it happened.&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">M</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 11:56 AM Rober=
t Begani, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left=
:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"x_m_3815811086204272847WordSection1">
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">Back to the matter of using Distill=
ed Water.&nbsp; I discussed this comment with my German/American friend who=
 was installing a aluminum radiator in his Lagonda
 Drop Head Coup.&nbsp; He has owned various European Vehicles with aluminum=
 radiators, and classic cars with aluminum radiators.&nbsp; He cannot under=
stand the need for distilled water if you are using antifreeze which includ=
es anti-corrosion additives or using such
 additive separately.&nbsp; Furthermore, the biggest problem with alloy rad=
iators is the matter of a good grounded engine.&nbsp; His experience the fa=
ilure of the alloy radiator is a poorly grounded engine which causes the el=
ectric current to run to ground via the water
 in coolant system &nbsp;hence destroy the aluminum being dissimilar metal.=
&nbsp; &nbsp;So check the soundness of the ground.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">Bob Begani<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">BJ8 67<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys-bounc=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Nock BCS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; i erbs &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Radiator flush<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&quot; If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure=
 and use Distilled water&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Those are definitely the words of someone who &quot;h=
as suffered the consequences&quot; ...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Comic Sans MS&quot;">M<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:47 PM David Nock BCS &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefer=
rer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt; padding:=
0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; margin-left:4.8pt; margin-top:5.0pt; margin-right:0in; m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">If you are installing a alloy radiator b=
e sure and use Distilled water.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">The water flows thru the radiator top to=
 bottom. It flows thru the heater from the lower hose thru the heater retur=
ning to the head.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">Water will not flow backwards thru the h=
eater valve.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">David Nock<br>
British Car Specialists<br>
209-948-8767<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">F=
rom:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&qu=
ot;,sans-serif; color:black">
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">
i erbs</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">S=
ent:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&qu=
ot;,sans-serif; color:black"> Wednesday, April 03, 2019 11:10
 AM<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">T=
o:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot=
;,sans-serif; color:black">
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">
Ahealey help</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">S=
ubject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma=
&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"> [Healeys] Radiator flush<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbs=
p;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Hell=
o all, <u>
</u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Prep=
aring to install my alum radiator. Thought I would flush the cooling system=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Whic=
h diretion direction does water flow? From block though
<br>
Shut off vavle into heater core, or through pipe and back into block throug=
h the shut off valve?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Is m=
y valve in open ir closed position? Heater controls not reinstalled yet. Un=
it get hot so Ill asume open, but want to confirm. Removed thermostat to he=
lp water flush ststem easier. Im going
 to add extra hose and splice in a water hose bib. That way I can remove it=
 and put system back in place.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Im o=
ff this week, but the rain gods are laughing at me. So I'm just getting eve=
rything ready for the sweet spot of having time and sunshine so I can back =
the car out of the garage and flush
 the system. I plan to drain the anti freeze and fill with flush chemicals =
and water when I'm ready to flush. Bought new anti freeze for my new radiat=
or.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Driv=
ing season is fast approaching.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Happ=
y roads and saftey fast<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Ira =
Erbs<br>
Portland, OR<br>
typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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an style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">
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Interesting. In all the research and comments I read before buying the
radiator I never heard about rapid distruction. Only about how great they
were.  Was planning to keep my oem unit. Now convinced I should.
Thanks all.

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 1:28 PM Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
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> A starter won't work if an engine isn't adequately grounded and a ground
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<div dir=3D"auto">Interesting. In all the research and comments I read befo=
re buying the radiator I never heard about rapid distruction. Only about ho=
w great they were.=C2=A0 Was planning to keep my oem unit. Now convinced I =
should.<div dir=3D"auto">Thanks all.<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_si=
gnature" dir=3D"auto">Ira Erbs<br>Portland, OR<br>typos and artifacts are t=
he fault of my phone</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 1:28 PM Michael Salter=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Muc=
h and all as that sounds like a good theory I am having difficulty with the=
 logic.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">A starter won&#39;t work if an engine isn&#3=
9;t adequately grounded and a ground of sufficient size to operate a starte=
r will definitely be big enough to eliminate any EMF difference between the=
 engine and the chassis.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;ve had an alumi=
num radiator corrode to worthlessness after only 3 years, with corrosion in=
hibitors in the coolant, and have yet to hear a realistic explanation for w=
hy it happened.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M<=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 11:56 AM Robert Begani, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfb=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" li=
nk=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_7915477274180046550m_381581108=
6204272847WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Back to the matter of using Distilled Water=
.=C2=A0 I discussed this comment with my German/American friend who was ins=
talling a aluminum radiator in his Lagonda Drop Head Coup.=C2=A0 He has own=
ed various European Vehicles with aluminum radiators, and classic cars with=
 aluminum radiators.=C2=A0 He cannot understand the need for distilled wate=
r if you are using antifreeze which includes anti-corrosion additives or us=
ing such additive separately.=C2=A0 Furthermore, the biggest problem with a=
lloy radiators is the matter of a good grounded engine.=C2=A0 His experienc=
e the failure of the alloy radiator is a poorly grounded engine which cause=
s the electric current to run to ground via the water in coolant system =C2=
=A0hence destroy the aluminum being dissimilar metal.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So check =
the soundness of the ground.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f=
497d">Bob Begani<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d=
">BJ8 67<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of=
 </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:51 PM<br><b>=
To:</b> David Nock BCS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;<br><b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
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gt;; i erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Healeys] Radiator flush<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">&quot; If you are installing=
 a alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water&quot;<u></u><u></u></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Those are definitely the words of someon=
e who &quot;has suffered the consequences&quot; ...<u></u><u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Comi=
c Sans MS&quot;">M<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 3, =
2019 at 5:47 PM David Nock BCS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;bord=
er-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;mar=
gin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Centu=
ry&quot;,serif;color:black">If you are installing a alloy radiator be sure =
and use Distilled water. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,se=
rif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,seri=
f;color:black">The water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows th=
ru the heater from the lower hose thru the heater returning to the head. <u=
></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">Water will n=
ot flow backwards thru the heater valve.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
entury&quot;,serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cen=
tury&quot;,serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Centu=
ry&quot;,serif;color:black">David Nock<br>British Car Specialists<br>209-94=
8-8767<br><a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com" rel=3D"noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><u></u><u>=
</u></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
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=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]" rel=3D"norefe=
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ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Hello all, <u=
></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:12.0pt;color:black">Preparing to install my alum radiator. Thought I would=
 flush the cooling system.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Which diretion direc=
tion does water flow? From block though <br>Shut off vavle into heater core=
, or through pipe and back into block through the shut off valve?<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;color:black">Is my valve in open ir closed position? Heater controls =
not reinstalled yet. Unit get hot so Ill asume open, but want to confirm. R=
emoved thermostat to help water flush ststem easier. Im going to add extra =
hose and splice in a water hose bib. That way I can remove it and put syste=
m back in place.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Im off this week, but the rain=
 gods are laughing at me. So I&#39;m just getting everything ready for the =
sweet spot of having time and sunshine so I can back the car out of the gar=
age and flush the system. I plan to drain the anti freeze and fill with flu=
sh chemicals and water when I&#39;m ready to flush. Bought new anti freeze =
for my new radiator.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
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'Interesting,' to say the least.  Tap water is electrically conductive 
due to its dissolved salts (ions); distilled or deionized water has its 
salts--hence its ions--removed so is non-conductive.  Ethylene glycol, 
being an organic compound is not, to my knowledge, conductive.  The main 
reason for using distilled water is to avoid scale buildup from the 
dissolved salts (sometimes called 'boiler scale').

We covered aluminium alloys today in welding class.  There are many 
types of alloys, some of which may not be suitable for radiators (some 
alloys cannot be welded, and can only be mechanically attached; e.g. 
riveted).

bs

On 4/8/2019 10:35 AM, i erbs wrote:
> 1967 MGB MG
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 9:18 AM Robert Begani <[email-masked] 
>
>     Back to the matter of using Distilled Water.  I discussed this
>     comment with my German/American friend who was installing a
>     aluminum radiator in his Lagonda Drop Head Coup.  He has owned
>     various European Vehicles with aluminum radiators, and classic
>     cars with aluminum radiators.  He cannot understand the need for
>     distilled water if you are using antifreeze which includes
>     anti-corrosion additives or using such additive separately. 
>     Furthermore, the biggest problem with alloy radiators is the
>     matter of a good grounded engine.  His experience the failure of
>     the alloy radiator is a poorly grounded engine which causes the
>     electric current to run to ground via the water in coolant system
>      hence destroy the aluminum being dissimilar metal.   So check the
>     soundness of the ground.
>
>     Bob Begani
>
>     BJ8 67
>
>     *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]
>     *To:* David Nock BCS <[email-masked]
>     *Cc:* Ahealey help <[email-masked]
>     On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:47 PM David Nock BCS
>
>         The water flows thru the radiator top to bottom. It flows thru
>         the heater from the lower hose thru the heater returning to
>         the head.
>
>         <http://www.britishcarspecialists.com>
>
>
>         *Sent:*Wednesday, April 03, 2019 11:10 AM
>
>
>         *Subject:*[Healeys] Radiator flush
>
>         Hello all,
>
>         Preparing to install my alum radiator. Thought I would flush
>         the cooling system.
>
>         Shut off vavle into heater core, or through pipe and back into
>         block through the shut off valve?
>
>         Is my valve in open ir closed position? Heater controls not
>         reinstalled yet. Unit get hot so Ill asume open, but want to
>         confirm. Removed thermostat to help water flush ststem easier.
>         Im going to add extra hose and splice in a water hose bib.
>         That way I can remove it and put system back in place.
>
>         Im off this week, but the rain gods are laughing at me. So I'm
>         just getting everything ready for the sweet spot of having
>         time and sunshine so I can back the car out of the garage and
>         flush the system. I plan to drain the anti freeze and fill
>         with flush chemicals and water when I'm ready to flush. Bought
>         new anti freeze for my new radiator.
>
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    <p>'Interesting,' to say the least.  Tap water is electrically
      conductive due to its dissolved salts (ions); distilled or
      deionized water has its salts--hence its ions--removed so is
      non-conductive.  Ethylene glycol, being an organic compound is
      not, to my knowledge, conductive.  The main reason for using
      distilled water is to avoid scale buildup from the dissolved salts
      (sometimes called 'boiler scale'). <br>
    </p>
    <p>We covered aluminium alloys today in welding class.  There are
      many types of alloys, some of which may not be suitable for
      radiators (some alloys cannot be welded, and can only be
      mechanically attached; e.g. riveted).</p>
    <p>bs<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">that is an interesting take on the issue.
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Back
                  to the matter of using Distilled Water.  I discussed
                  this comment with my German/American friend who was
                  installing a aluminum radiator in his Lagonda Drop
                  Head Coup.  He has owned various European Vehicles
                  with aluminum radiators, and classic cars with
                  aluminum radiators.  He cannot understand the need for
                  distilled water if you are using antifreeze which
                  includes anti-corrosion additives or using such
                  additive separately.  Furthermore, the biggest problem
                  with alloy radiators is the matter of a good grounded
                  engine.  His experience the failure of the alloy
                  radiator is a poorly grounded engine which causes the
                  electric current to run to ground via the water in
                  coolant system  hence destroy the aluminum being
                  dissimilar metal.   So check the soundness of the
                  ground.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Bob
                  Begani</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">BJ8
                  67</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:51 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> David Nock BCS &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
                i erbs &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Radiator flush</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                      MS&quot;">" If you are installing a alloy radiator
                      be sure and use Distilled water"</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                      MS&quot;">Those are definitely the words of
                      someone who "has suffered the consequences" ...</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:47 PM
                    David Nock BCS &lt;<a
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Century,serif;color:black">If
                              you are installing a alloy radiator be
                              sure and use Distilled water. </span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Century,serif;color:black">The
                              water flows thru the radiator top to
                              bottom. It flows thru the heater from the
                              lower hose thru the heater returning to
                              the head. </span></p>
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                              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Century,serif;color:black">Water
                              will not flow backwards thru the heater
                              valve.</span></p>
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                              style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Century,serif;color:black">David
                              Nock<br>
                              British Car Specialists<br>
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                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a></span></p>
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                                    [Healeys] Radiator flush</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Preparing
                                  to install my alum radiator. Thought I
                                  would flush the cooling system.</span></p>
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                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Which
                                  diretion direction does water flow?
                                  From block though <br>
                                  Shut off vavle into heater core, or
                                  through pipe and back into block
                                  through the shut off valve?</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Is
                                  my valve in open ir closed position?
                                  Heater controls not reinstalled yet.
                                  Unit get hot so Ill asume open, but
                                  want to confirm. Removed thermostat to
                                  help water flush ststem easier. Im
                                  going to add extra hose and splice in
                                  a water hose bib. That way I can
                                  remove it and put system back in
                                  place.</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Im
                                  off this week, but the rain gods are
                                  laughing at me. So I'm just getting
                                  everything ready for the sweet spot of
                                  having time and sunshine so I can back
                                  the car out of the garage and flush
                                  the system. I plan to drain the anti
                                  freeze and fill with flush chemicals
                                  and water when I'm ready to flush.
                                  Bought new anti freeze for my new
                                  radiator.</span></p>
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                                    style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Ira
                                    Erbs<br>
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                                    typos and artifacts are the fault of
                                    my phone</span></p>
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To be totally a-retentive, water is called the 'Universal Solvent' 
because it will dissolve many /inorganic/ compounds--esp. 'salts'--as 
they are polar compounds (one side of the molecule is positive, and one 
side is negative, and the H+/OH- ions in water will 'pull' the salt 
apart into its constituent ions and dissolve it).  Water is a 
particularly lousy solvent of organic (non-polar) compounds; try mixing 
vegetable or motor oil with it sometime.

Water is not an oxidizing agent--it is the product of an 
oxidation/reduction reaction itself between hydrogen and oxygen--but 
when it has polar salts dissolved in it it does conduct current, which 
facilitates oxidation-reduction reactions (e.g. 'rust').  Distilled 
water will dissolve more salts than (most) tap water, as the tap water 
is already further along in saturation.  I've heard people say distilled 
water is 'ion hungry,' which, for the life of me I don't understand 
(unless they mean it will dissolve a bigger pile of salt than really 
hard water, which is true).

bs

On 4/8/2019 3:32 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wrote:
> I have to agree with the theory that grounding can affect an alloy 
> radiator. If you have a problem with corrosion despite using corrosion 
> inhibitors then the problem is not the fluid component of the system 
> it is more likely electrolytic corrosion. Maybe the problem isn't 
> engine to chassis grounding, but radiator to chassis grounding. It 
> sounds like some effort needs to be made to isolate the radiator 
> (electrically) from the chassis. or to neutralize the electrolytic 
> forces in the system.
>
> Either keeping the radiator out of the electrical loop or assuring it 
> is on the cathode side seems to be a good idea since aluminum is much 
> lower on the noble scale than iron. In a positive ground system the 
> chassis is the anode and if the radiator is grounded to the chassis it 
> will also be an anode and will thus be subject to electrolytic 
> corrosion. (The anode, positive pole, in any circuit gives up 
> electrons which carry the electrical current. Loss of large numbers of 
> electrons weakens the atomic structure of anode material and causes it 
> to break down or corrode.)
>
> I don't think that distilled water is necessary and as a matter of 
> fact distilled water should be considered more corrosive than tap 
> water. Water has the propensity to oxidize most other types of 
> materials (universal solvent and all that) and distilled water has 
> more of that propensity than harder water because in that case it has 
> been partially saturated by dissolved minerals. The argument for 
> distilled water is that it carries no calcium or other minerals into 
> the cooling system which might eventually foul the heat exchange 
> surfaces. That is a minor danger and would only be a problem if you 
> were adding large volumes of water on a regular basis. If your cooling 
> system is tight it should never be a problem.
>
> Bill Lawrence
> BN1 #554
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Michael 
> Salter <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 8, 2019 5:34 PM
> *To:* Robert Begani
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush
> Much and all as that sounds like a good theory I am having difficulty 
> with the logic.
> A starter won't work if an engine isn't adequately grounded and a 
> ground of sufficient size to operate a starter will definitely be big 
> enough to eliminate any EMF difference between the engine and the 
> chassis.
> I've had an aluminum radiator corrode to worthlessness after only 3 
> years, with corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to hear 
> a realistic explanation for why it happened.
>
> M
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    <p>To be totally a-retentive, water is called the 'Universal
      Solvent' because it will dissolve many <i>inorganic</i>
      compounds--esp. 'salts'--as they are polar compounds (one side of
      the molecule is positive, and one side is negative, and the H+/OH-
      ions in water will 'pull' the salt apart into its constituent ions
      and dissolve it).  Water is a particularly lousy solvent of
      organic (non-polar) compounds; try mixing vegetable or motor oil
      with it sometime.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Water is not an oxidizing agent--it is the product of an
      oxidation/reduction reaction itself between hydrogen and
      oxygen--but when it has polar salts dissolved in it it does
      conduct current, which facilitates oxidation-reduction reactions
      (e.g. 'rust').  Distilled water will dissolve more salts than
      (most) tap water, as the tap water is already further along in
      saturation.  I've heard people say distilled water is 'ion
      hungry,' which, for the life of me I don't understand (unless they
      mean it will dissolve a bigger pile of salt than really hard
      water, which is true).<br>
    </p>
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    <p>bs</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/8/2019 3:32 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE
      wrote:<br>
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        I have to agree with the theory that grounding can affect an
        alloy radiator. If you have a problem with corrosion despite
        using corrosion inhibitors then the problem is not the fluid
        component of the system it is more likely electrolytic
        corrosion. Maybe the problem isn't engine to chassis grounding,
        but radiator to chassis grounding. It sounds like some effort
        needs to be made to isolate the radiator (electrically) from the
        chassis. or to neutralize the electrolytic forces in the
        system. </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        <br>
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        Either keeping the radiator out of the electrical loop or
        assuring it is on the cathode side seems to be a good idea since
        aluminum is much lower on the noble scale than iron. In a
        positive ground system the chassis is the anode and if the
        radiator is grounded to the chassis it will also be an anode and
        will thus be subject to electrolytic corrosion. (The anode,
        positive pole, in any circuit gives up electrons which carry the
        electrical current. Loss of large numbers of electrons weakens
        the atomic structure of anode material and causes it to break
        down or corrode.)</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        I don't think that distilled water is necessary and as a matter
        of fact distilled water should be considered more corrosive than
        tap water. Water has the propensity to oxidize most other types
        of materials (universal solvent and all that) and distilled
        water has more of that propensity than harder water because in
        that case it has been partially saturated by dissolved minerals.
        The argument for distilled water is that it carries no calcium
        or other minerals into the cooling system which might eventually
        foul the heat exchange surfaces. That is a minor danger and
        would only be a problem if you were adding large volumes of
        water on a regular basis. If your cooling system is tight it
        should never be a problem.</div>
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        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
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      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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        Bill Lawrence</div>
      <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        BN1 #554</div>
      <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1">
      <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
          face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
          Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> on behalf of
          Michael Salter <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 8, 2019 5:34 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Robert Begani<br>
          <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush</font>
        <div> </div>
      </div>
      <div>
        <div dir="auto">Much and all as that sounds like a good theory I
          am having difficulty with the logic. 
          <div dir="auto">A starter won't work if an engine isn't
            adequately grounded and a ground of sufficient size to
            operate a starter will definitely be big enough to eliminate
            any EMF difference between the engine and the chassis. </div>
          <div dir="auto">I've had an aluminum radiator corrode to
            worthlessness after only 3 years, with corrosion inhibitors
            in the coolant, and have yet to hear a realistic explanation
            for why it happened. </div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">M</div>
        </div>
        <br>
        <div class="x_gmail_quote">
          <div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 11:56
            AM Robert Begani, &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
              moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;
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                <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
                    font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;
                    color:#1f497d">Back to the matter of using Distilled
                    Water.  I discussed this comment with my
                    German/American friend who was installing a aluminum
                    radiator in his Lagonda Drop Head Coup.  He has
                    owned various European Vehicles with aluminum
                    radiators, and classic cars with aluminum
                    radiators.  He cannot understand the need for
                    distilled water if you are using antifreeze which
                    includes anti-corrosion additives or using such
                    additive separately.  Furthermore, the biggest
                    problem with alloy radiators is the matter of a good
                    grounded engine.  His experience the failure of the
                    alloy radiator is a poorly grounded engine which
                    causes the electric current to run to ground via the
                    water in coolant system  hence destroy the aluminum
                    being dissimilar metal.   So check the soundness of
                    the ground.</span></p>
                <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
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                    color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
                    font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;
                    color:#1f497d">Bob Begani</span></p>
                <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
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                    color:#1f497d">BJ8 67</span></p>
                <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;
                    font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;
                    color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="x_MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:51 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> David Nock BCS &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
                    rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
                  i erbs &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Radiator flush</p>
                <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot;Comic
                        Sans MS&quot;">" If you are installing a alloy
                        radiator be sure and use Distilled water"</span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot;Comic
                        Sans MS&quot;">Those are definitely the words of
                        someone who "has suffered the consequences" ...</span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot;Comic
                        Sans MS&quot;"> </span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot;Comic
                        Sans MS&quot;">M</span></p>
                  </div>
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                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="x_MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:47
                      PM David Nock BCS &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                        target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                      wrote:</p>
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                            <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;
                                font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;
                                color:black">If you are installing a
                                alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled
                                water.
                              </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;
                                font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;
                                color:black"> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;
                                font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;
                                color:black">The water flows thru the
                                radiator top to bottom. It flows thru
                                the heater from the lower hose thru the
                                heater returning to the head.
                              </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;
                                font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;
                                color:black"> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;
                                font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;
                                color:black">Water will not flow
                                backwards thru the heater valve.</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;
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                            <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;
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                                color:black">David Nock<br>
                                British Car Specialists<br>
                                209-948-8767<br>
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                                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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                                      style="font-size:10.0pt;
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                                      color:black"> [Healeys] Radiator
                                      flush</span></p>
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                                  all, <u>
                                  </u></span></p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:12.0pt;
                                    color:black">Preparing to install my
                                    alum radiator. Thought I would flush
                                    the cooling system.</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:12.0pt;
                                    color:black">Which diretion
                                    direction does water flow? From
                                    block though
                                    <br>
                                    Shut off vavle into heater core, or
                                    through pipe and back into block
                                    through the shut off valve?</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:12.0pt;
                                    color:black">Is my valve in open ir
                                    closed position? Heater controls not
                                    reinstalled yet. Unit get hot so Ill
                                    asume open, but want to confirm.
                                    Removed thermostat to help water
                                    flush ststem easier. Im going to add
                                    extra hose and splice in a water
                                    hose bib. That way I can remove it
                                    and put system back in place.</span></p>
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                                <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-size:12.0pt;
                                    color:black">Im off this week, but
                                    the rain gods are laughing at me. So
                                    I'm just getting everything ready
                                    for the sweet spot of having time
                                    and sunshine so I can back the car
                                    out of the garage and flush the
                                    system. I plan to drain the anti
                                    freeze and fill with flush chemicals
                                    and water when I'm ready to flush.
                                    Bought new anti freeze for my new
                                    radiator.</span></p>
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Call it what you will, distilled water eats steel. In steam heating plants =
the steel condensate handling piping often needs to be inspected and replac=
ed because the condensate water will wear longitudinal grooves in the botto=
m portions of the pipe where it runs. In plants that have been in service o=
ver long periods without proper levels of corrosion inhibitor injected into=
 the condensate stream the piping will often wear through and begin to leak=
 along the bottom of the pipes due to this effect.

Distilled water is theoretically neutral with a Ph of 7, but exposure to ai=
r causes it to combine with CO2 turning it into a mild carbonic acid with a=
 Ph of about 5.8. That will dissolve limestone and cause ferric metals to r=
ust. (oxidize?)

Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
________________________________
From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Bob Spidell <bs=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 1:48 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush

To be totally a-retentive, water is called the 'Universal Solvent' because =
it will dissolve many inorganic compounds--esp. 'salts'--as they are polar =
compounds (one side of the molecule is positive, and one side is negative, =
and the H+/OH- ions in water will 'pull' the salt apart into its constituen=
t ions and dissolve it).  Water is a particularly lousy solvent of organic =
(non-polar) compounds; try mixing vegetable or motor oil with it sometime.

Water is not an oxidizing agent--it is the product of an oxidation/reductio=
n reaction itself between hydrogen and oxygen--but when it has polar salts =
dissolved in it it does conduct current, which facilitates oxidation-reduct=
ion reactions (e.g. 'rust').  Distilled water will dissolve more salts than=
 (most) tap water, as the tap water is already further along in saturation.=
  I've heard people say distilled water is 'ion hungry,' which, for the lif=
e of me I don't understand (unless they mean it will dissolve a bigger pile=
 of salt than really hard water, which is true).

bs

Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
[email-masked]>

M

[email-masked]>> wrote:

Bob Begani

BJ8 67

M

David Nock
British Car Specialists
209-948-8767

Hello all,

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR

@sbcglobal.net

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Call it what you will, distilled water eats steel. In steam heating plants =
the steel condensate handling piping often needs to be inspected and replac=
ed because the condensate water will wear longitudinal grooves in the botto=
m portions of the pipe where it
 runs. In plants that have been in service over long periods without proper=
 levels of corrosion inhibitor injected into the condensate stream the pipi=
ng will often wear through and begin to leak along the bottom of the pipes =
due to this effect.&nbsp;</div>
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 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Distilled water is theoretically neutral with a Ph of 7, but exposure to ai=
r causes it to combine with CO2 turning it into a mild carbonic acid with a=
 Ph of about 5.8. That will dissolve limestone and cause ferric metals to r=
ust. (oxidize?)</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
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Bill Lawrence</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
BN1 #554</div>
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-b=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Bob Spidell &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 9, 2019 1:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div style=3D"background-color:#FFFFFF">
<p>To be totally a-retentive, water is called the 'Universal Solvent' becau=
se it will dissolve many
<i>inorganic</i> compounds--esp. 'salts'--as they are polar compounds (one =
side of the molecule is positive, and one side is negative, and the H&#43;/=
OH- ions in water will 'pull' the salt apart into its constituent ions and =
dissolve it).&nbsp; Water is a particularly
 lousy solvent of organic (non-polar) compounds; try mixing vegetable or mo=
tor oil with it sometime.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Water is not an oxidizing agent--it is the product of an oxidation/reduc=
tion reaction itself between hydrogen and oxygen--but when it has polar sal=
ts dissolved in it it does conduct current, which facilitates oxidation-red=
uction reactions (e.g. 'rust').&nbsp;
 Distilled water will dissolve more salts than (most) tap water, as the tap=
 water is already further along in saturation.&nbsp; I've heard people say =
distilled water is 'ion hungry,' which, for the life of me I don't understa=
nd (unless they mean it will dissolve
 a bigger pile of salt than really hard water, which is true).<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>bs</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">On 4/8/2019 3:32 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wr=
ote:<br>
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I have to agree with the theory that grounding can affect an alloy radiator=
. If you have a problem with corrosion despite using corrosion inhibitors t=
hen the problem is not the fluid component of the system it is more likely =
electrolytic corrosion. Maybe the
 problem isn't engine to chassis grounding, but radiator to chassis groundi=
ng. It sounds like some effort needs to be made to isolate the radiator (el=
ectrically) from the chassis. or to neutralize the electrolytic forces in t=
he system.&nbsp;</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
Either keeping the radiator out of the electrical loop or assuring it is on=
 the cathode side seems to be a good idea since aluminum is much lower on t=
he noble scale than iron. In a positive ground system the chassis is the an=
ode and if the radiator is grounded
 to the chassis it will also be an anode and will thus be subject to electr=
olytic corrosion. (The anode, positive pole, in any circuit gives up electr=
ons which carry the electrical current. Loss of large numbers of electrons =
weakens the atomic structure of
 anode material and causes it to break down or corrode.)</div>
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I don't think that distilled water is necessary and as a matter of fact dis=
tilled water should be considered more corrosive than tap water. Water has =
the propensity to oxidize most other types of materials (universal solvent =
and all that) and distilled water
 has more of that propensity than harder water because in that case it has =
been partially saturated by dissolved minerals. The argument for distilled =
water is that it carries no calcium or other minerals into the cooling syst=
em which might eventually foul the
 heat exchange surfaces. That is a minor danger and would only be a problem=
 if you were adding large volumes of water on a regular basis. If your cool=
ing system is tight it should never be a problem.</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
Bill Lawrence</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
BN1 #554</div>
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<div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" =
color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Healeys
<a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> on behalf of Michael Sa=
lter
<a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 8, 2019 5:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Begani<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:healeys@a=
utox.team.net">
[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Much and all as that sounds like a good theory I am havin=
g difficulty with the logic.&nbsp;
<div dir=3D"auto">A starter won't work if an engine isn't adequately ground=
ed and a ground of sufficient size to operate a starter will definitely be =
big enough to eliminate any EMF difference between the engine and the chass=
is.&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I've had an aluminum radiator corrode to worthlessness af=
ter only 3 years, with corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to=
 hear a realistic explanation for why it happened.&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">M</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_x_gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 11:56 AM Rob=
ert Begani, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"x_x_m_3815811086204272847WordSection1">
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">Back to the matter of using Disti=
lled Water.&nbsp; I discussed this comment with my German/American friend w=
ho was installing a aluminum radiator in his Lagonda
 Drop Head Coup.&nbsp; He has owned various European Vehicles with aluminum=
 radiators, and classic cars with aluminum radiators.&nbsp; He cannot under=
stand the need for distilled water if you are using antifreeze which includ=
es anti-corrosion additives or using such
 additive separately.&nbsp; Furthermore, the biggest problem with alloy rad=
iators is the matter of a good grounded engine.&nbsp; His experience the fa=
ilure of the alloy radiator is a poorly grounded engine which causes the el=
ectric current to run to ground via the water
 in coolant system &nbsp;hence destroy the aluminum being dissimilar metal.=
&nbsp; &nbsp;So check the soundness of the ground.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">Bob Begani</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">BJ8 67</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heale=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys-bou=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Nock BCS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; i erbs &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Radiator flush</p>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">&quot; If you are installing a =
alloy radiator be sure and use Distilled water&quot;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">Those are definitely the words =
of someone who &quot;has suffered the consequences&quot; ...</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">M</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 5:47 PM David Nock BCS &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noref=
errer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none; border-left:solid
                    #cccccc 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; margin-left:4=
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">If you are installing a alloy radiator=
 be sure and use Distilled water.
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">The water flows thru the radiator top =
to bottom. It flows thru the heater from the lower hose thru the heater ret=
urning to the head.
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">Water will not flow backwards thru the=
 heater valve.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Century&quot;,serif; color:black">David Nock<br>
British Car Specialists<br>
209-948-8767<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&qu=
ot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif; color:blac=
k">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahom=
a&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">
i erbs</a> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif; color:blac=
k">Sent:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahom=
a&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"> Wednesday, April 03, 2019 11:10
 AM</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif; color:blac=
k">To:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,sans-serif; color:black">
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" title=3D"[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">
Ahealey help</a> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif; color:blac=
k">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Ta=
homa&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"> [Healeys] Radiator flush</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&n=
bsp;</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">He=
llo all, <u>
</u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Pr=
eparing to install my alum radiator. Thought I would flush the cooling syst=
em.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Wh=
ich diretion direction does water flow? From block though
<br>
Shut off vavle into heater core, or through pipe and back into block throug=
h the shut off valve?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Is=
 my valve in open ir closed position? Heater controls not reinstalled yet. =
Unit get hot so Ill asume open, but want to confirm. Removed thermostat to =
help water flush ststem easier. Im going
 to add extra hose and splice in a water hose bib. That way I can remove it=
 and put system back in place.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Im=
 off this week, but the rain gods are laughing at me. So I'm just getting e=
verything ready for the sweet spot of having time and sunshine so I can bac=
k the car out of the garage and flush
 the system. I plan to drain the anti freeze and fill with flush chemicals =
and water when I'm ready to flush. Bought new anti freeze for my new radiat=
or.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Dr=
iving season is fast approaching.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Ha=
ppy roads and saftey fast</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Ir=
a Erbs<br>
Portland, OR<br>
typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone</span></p>
</div>
</div>
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More on electricity in the automobile.  The same friend has been working =
to get his classic Lagonda automobile in top operating condition and =
noticed that the starting was weak so he cleaned the cables contacts =
etc.  Still not satisfactory, so he had the batteries checked with a =
load test.  They were in good condition.  Then he began to look at the =
ground strap.  It was not what he expected, small diameter and screwed =
to the firewall.  So he ran a large gauge copper wire directly to the =
engine and bolted the new ground wire directly to the frame. Voila, the =
engine turns over rapidly.  Now he will consider reinstalling his =
Aluminum Radiator. We AH owners are fortunate to have a heavy ground =
strap from the engine to the frame, so our stray electric problems could =
be largely eliminated.  However, it is good to check to see if it has a =
clean and secure connection to both sides thereby insuring constant flow =
of electricity. A weak flow can create a problem that you will attribute =
to a weak battery etc.

=20

Next question to start a thread, what is a Lagonda British Car for the =
next trivia question?

I never heard of it until Hermann bought one and brought it to the U.S.  =
Probably, it is the only one in North America!

=20

Bob Begani

BJ8

=20

Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 7:02 PM
To: Michael Salter <[email-masked] =
Subject: Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush

=20

Interesting. In all the research and comments I read before buying the =
radiator I never heard about rapid distruction. Only about how great =
they were.  Was planning to keep my oem unit. Now convinced I should.

Thanks all.

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR

=20

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 1:28 PM Michael Salter <[email-masked] =

Much and all as that sounds like a good theory I am having difficulty =
with the logic.=20

A starter won't work if an engine isn't adequately grounded and a ground =
of sufficient size to operate a starter will definitely be big enough to =
eliminate any EMF difference between the engine and the chassis.=20

I've had an aluminum radiator corrode to worthlessness after only 3 =
years, with corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to hear a =
realistic explanation for why it happened.=20

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and noticed that the starting was weak so he cleaned the cables contacts =
etc.=C2=A0 Still not satisfactory, so he had the batteries checked with =
a load test.=C2=A0 They were in good condition.=C2=A0 Then he began to =
look at the ground strap.=C2=A0 It was not what he expected, small =
diameter and screwed to the firewall.=C2=A0 So he ran a large gauge =
copper wire directly to the engine and bolted the new ground wire =
directly to the frame. Voila, the engine turns over rapidly.=C2=A0 Now =
he will consider reinstalling his Aluminum Radiator. We AH owners are =
fortunate to have a heavy ground strap from the engine to the frame, so =
our stray electric problems could be largely eliminated.=C2=A0 However, =
it is good to check to see if it has a clean and secure connection to =
both sides thereby insuring constant flow of electricity. A weak flow =
can create a problem that you will attribute to a weak battery =
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><=
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next trivia question?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I=
 never heard of it until Hermann bought one and brought it to the =
U.S.=C2=A0 Probably, it is the only one in North =
America!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>B=
ob Begani<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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J8<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> i erbs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 8, 2019 7:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael =
Salter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Cc:</b> Robert Begani &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Ahealey =
help &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Interesting. In all the research and comments I read =
before buying the radiator I never heard about rapid distruction. Only =
about how great they were.&nbsp; Was planning to keep my oem unit. Now =
convinced I should.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thanks all.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ira Erbs<br>Portland, OR<br>typos and artifacts are =
the fault of my phone<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 1:28 PM Michael Salter &lt;<a =
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theory I am having difficulty with the =
logic.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A starter won't =
work if an engine isn't adequately grounded and a ground of sufficient =
size to operate a starter will definitely be big enough to eliminate any =
EMF difference between the engine and the =
chassis.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I've had an =
aluminum radiator corrode to worthlessness after only 3 years, with =
corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to hear a realistic =
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Old British car manufacturer which was incorporated in Aston Martin. 
There was a spectacular Lagonda in the 70´s, the ultimate wedge with 
fully electronic dashboard which turned out to be a nightmare.

Kees Oudesluijs

Op 9-4-2019 om 15:12 schreef Robert Begani:
>
> More on electricity in the automobile.  The same friend has been 
> working to get his classic Lagonda automobile in top operating 
> condition and noticed that the starting was weak so he cleaned the 
> cables contacts etc.  Still not satisfactory, so he had the batteries 
> checked with a load test.  They were in good condition.  Then he began 
> to look at the ground strap.  It was not what he expected, small 
> diameter and screwed to the firewall.  So he ran a large gauge copper 
> wire directly to the engine and bolted the new ground wire directly to 
> the frame. Voila, the engine turns over rapidly.  Now he will consider 
> reinstalling his Aluminum Radiator. We AH owners are fortunate to have 
> a heavy ground strap from the engine to the frame, so our stray 
> electric problems could be largely eliminated. However, it is good to 
> check to see if it has a clean and secure connection to both sides 
> thereby insuring constant flow of electricity. A weak flow can create 
> a problem that you will attribute to a weak battery etc.
>
> Next question to start a thread, what is a Lagonda British Car for the 
> next trivia question?
>
> I never heard of it until Hermann bought one and brought it to the 
> U.S.  Probably, it is the only one in North America!
>
> Bob Begani
>
> BJ8
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 8, 2019 7:02 PM
> *To:* Michael Salter <[email-masked] 
> radiator I never heard about rapid distruction. Only about how great 
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 1:28 PM Michael Salter <[email-masked] 
>
>     Much and all as that sounds like a good theory I am having
>     difficulty with the logic.
>
>     ground of sufficient size to operate a starter will definitely be
>     big enough to eliminate any EMF difference between the engine and
>     the chassis.
>
>     I've had an aluminum radiator corrode to worthlessness after only
>     3 years, with corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to
>     hear a realistic explanation for why it happened.
>
>     M
>
>
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
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    <p>Old British car manufacturer which was incorporated in Aston
      Martin. There was a spectacular Lagonda in the 70´s, the ultimate
      wedge with fully electronic dashboard which turned out to be a
      nightmare.</p>
    <p><img
src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/1986_Aston_Martin_Lagonda_%289014216671%29.jpg/1200px-1986_Aston_Martin_Lagonda_%289014216671%29.jpg"
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    <p>Kees Oudesluijs<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 9-4-2019 om 15:12 schreef Robert
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">More
            on electricity in the automobile.  The same friend has been
            working to get his classic Lagonda automobile in top
            operating condition and noticed that the starting was weak
            so he cleaned the cables contacts etc.  Still not
            satisfactory, so he had the batteries checked with a load
            test.  They were in good condition.  Then he began to look
            at the ground strap.  It was not what he expected, small
            diameter and screwed to the firewall.  So he ran a large
            gauge copper wire directly to the engine and bolted the new
            ground wire directly to the frame. Voila, the engine turns
            over rapidly.  Now he will consider reinstalling his
            Aluminum Radiator. We AH owners are fortunate to have a
            heavy ground strap from the engine to the frame, so our
            stray electric problems could be largely eliminated. 
            However, it is good to check to see if it has a clean and
            secure connection to both sides thereby insuring constant
            flow of electricity. A weak flow can create a problem that
            you will attribute to a weak battery etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Next
            question to start a thread, what is a Lagonda British Car
            for the next trivia question?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
            never heard of it until Hermann bought one and brought it to
            the U.S.  Probably, it is the only one in North America!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bob
            Begani<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">BJ8<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> i erbs &lt;<a
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          <br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 8, 2019 7:02 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Michael Salter &lt;<a
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
          <b>Cc:</b> Robert Begani &lt;<a
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;;
          Ahealey help &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
            moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] FW: Radiator flush<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Interesting. In all the research and
            comments I read before buying the radiator I never heard
            about rapid distruction. Only about how great they were. 
            Was planning to keep my oem unit. Now convinced I should.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks
              all.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Ira Erbs<br>
                Portland, OR<br>
                typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 1:28 PM Michael
              Salter &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Much and all as that sounds like a
                good theory I am having difficulty with the logic. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">A starter won't work if an engine
                  isn't adequately grounded and a ground of sufficient
                  size to operate a starter will definitely be big
                  enough to eliminate any EMF difference between the
                  engine and the chassis. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">I've had an aluminum radiator
                  corrode to worthlessness after only 3 years, with
                  corrosion inhibitors in the coolant, and have yet to
                  hear a realistic explanation for why it happened. <o:p></o:p></p>
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