Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 air cleaner decals

From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 11:05:25 -0400

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Hi Andy,
Like you I too have been regularly frustrated by the quality of parts
available.

How hard it it to make it RIGHT!!!!!!!
However, I recommend that unless you have money to burn, tread lightly.
*First* check this reproduction
http://www.ahead4healeys.co.uk/DECAL---AIR-FILTER-id4963.aspx
It looks a lot better that the ones that I have purchased in the past
(above).
*Second* consider what happened to me with the reproduction of early horn
rims. (Not my first experience in this BTW).
http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=1335
I have been completely unsuccessful in trying to sell these to the usual
suspects at below my cost (too expensive they say) they want to pay no more
than 20% of the retail price for parts!!!
*Third* consider where the filter decals are installed on the car. They are
almost impossible to see when fitted and it would take a contortionist to
actually distinguish a repro from an original during a concours inspection.
Unfortunately, to my cost, I have learned that the vast majority of people
are far from discerning when it comes to the fine details, not how it
should be perhaps, but how it is!!!
Just sayin,

Michael S
BN1 #174

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[email-masked]> wrote:

> [resend as my Yahoo account appears to be blocked]
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I couldn't find anyone with decent reproduction Burgess air cleaner
> decals so am looking to have some reproduced from an original. The
> per-unit cost to make just a few is very high compared to the cost to
> make a thousand so I'm wondering if there is any demand to justify
> making more than I need.
>
> Would anyone be interested in buying/redistributing a large quantity?
> They will be indistinguishable from the original in both artwork and
> production method.
>
> Andy.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Andy,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Like y=
ou I too have been regularly frustrated by the quality of parts available.<=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:small"><br><img src=3D"cid:ii_15785e156e142fe4" alt=3D"I=
nline image 1" width=3D"368" height=3D"172"><br>How hard it it to make it R=
IGHT!!!!!!!<br>However, I recommend that unless you have money to burn, tre=
ad lightly.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comi=
c sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><b>First</b> c=
heck this reproduction <a href=3D"http://www.ahead4healeys.co.uk/DECAL---AI=
R-FILTER-id4963.aspx">http://www.ahead4healeys.co.uk/DECAL---AIR-FILTER-id4=
963.aspx</a><br>It looks a lot better that the ones that I have purchased i=
n the past (above).<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><b>Second</b> consider what h=
appened to me with the reproduction of early horn rims. (Not my first exper=
ience in this BTW).<br><a href=3D"http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=3D13=
35">http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=3D1335</a><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:smal=
l">I have been completely unsuccessful in trying to sell these to the usual=
 suspects at below my cost (too expensive they say) they want to pay no mor=
e than 20% of the retail price for parts!!!<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><b>Th=
ird</b> consider where the filter decals are installed on the car. They are=
 almost impossible to see when fitted and it would take a contortionist to =
actually distinguish a repro from an original during a concours inspection.=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,s=
ans-serif;font-size:small">Unfortunately, to my cost, I have learned that t=
he vast majority of people are far from discerning when it comes to the fin=
e details, not how it should be perhaps, but how it is!!!<br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:small">Just sayin,<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-=
size:small">BN1 #174<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">=C2=A0<br></div></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at =
4:44 PM, Austin Healeys List <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:austin=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">[resend as my Yahoo accou=
nt appears to be blocked]<br>
<br>
Hi Guys,<br>
<br>
I couldn&#39;t find anyone with decent reproduction Burgess air cleaner<br>
decals so am looking to have some reproduced from an original. The<br>
per-unit cost to make just a few is very high compared to the cost to<br>
make a thousand so I&#39;m wondering if there is any demand to justify<br>
making more than I need.<br>
<br>
Would anyone be interested in buying/redistributing a large quantity?<br>
They will be indistinguishable from the original in both artwork and<br>
production method.<br>
<br>
Andy.<br>
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From: Austin Healeys List <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 09:22:01 +1300

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Hi Michael,

Yes, how hard is it indeed. I have followed your saga with the horn
rims and feel your frustration. Some might say there is a small
fortune to be made in accurately reproducing old car parts, the only
proviso is that you have a much bigger fortune to begin with.

I must confess that I'm not making these for a 100, nor even a Healey.
There was an aluminium head conversion called a "Raymond Mays"
available for the Dagenham six cylinder and it used Healey 100 air
cleaners on the carbs tipped up at 45 degrees so they are the first
thing you see. It will bug me far more than the cost of doing a proper
repro if I have to look at the current offerings every time I open the
lid.

The cost to make a thousand is a bit under $2/each, the cost to make
ten is a bit under $30/each. Although I have had a few requests for
small quantities, I'm only interested in selling them all as one
shipment. I'll try some of the suppliers suggested but I think it will
be just a few that get made in the end.

Cheers,
Andy.

> should be perhaps, but how it is!!!

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From: Curtis Arndt <[email-masked]>
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Andy,

I don't know where you got your quote for $2 a piece for a thousand of
these, but that is absolute nonsense.  A gentleman I know had just a few
decal transfers made up for the early BN1 Tecalemit oil filter and I know
he didn't have a thousand made, nor did they cost that much.  This may be a
much cheaper option, have the decals made and then have a few dozen of the
flat aluminum washers made up. You'll also need to find a punch set to put
in the "175/CG".

Curt

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Austin Healeys List <
[email-masked]> wrote:

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<br><br></div>Andy,<br><br></div>I don&#39;t know where you got your quote =
for $2 a piece for a thousand of these, but that is absolute nonsense.=C2=
=A0 A gentleman I know had just a few decal transfers made up for the early=
 BN1 Tecalemit oil filter and I know he didn&#39;t have a thousand made, no=
r did they cost that much.=C2=A0 This may be a much cheaper option, have th=
e decals made and then have a few dozen of the flat aluminum washers made u=
p. You&#39;ll also need to find a punch set to put in the &quot;175/CG&quot=
;.<br><br></div>Curt<br><div><br><img src=3D"cid:ii_1578854fb9d6440b" alt=
=3D"Inline image 2" width=3D"480" height=3D"360"><br><br><br></div></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 2, 2016=
 at 1:22 PM, Austin Healeys List <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:au=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Michael,<br>
<br>
Yes, how hard is it indeed. I have followed your saga with the horn<br>
rims and feel your frustration. Some might say there is a small<br>
fortune to be made in accurately reproducing old car parts, the only<br>
proviso is that you have a much bigger fortune to begin with.<br>
<br>
I must confess that I&#39;m not making these for a 100, nor even a Healey.<=
br>
There was an aluminium head conversion called a &quot;Raymond Mays&quot;<br=
available for the Dagenham six cylinder and it used Healey 100 air<br>
cleaners on the carbs tipped up at 45 degrees so they are the first<br>
thing you see. It will bug me far more than the cost of doing a proper<br>
repro if I have to look at the current offerings every time I open the<br>
lid.<br>
<br>
The cost to make a thousand is a bit under $2/each, the cost to make<br>
ten is a bit under $30/each. Although I have had a few requests for<br>
small quantities, I&#39;m only interested in selling them all as one<br>
shipment. I&#39;ll try some of the suppliers suggested but I think it will<=
br>
be just a few that get made in the end.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andy.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
On 10/3/16, Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">m=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Andy,<br>
&gt; Like you I too have been regularly frustrated by the quality of parts<=
br>
&gt; available.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; How hard it it to make it RIGHT!!!!!!!<br>
&gt; However, I recommend that unless you have money to burn, tread lightly=
.<br>
</span>&gt; *First* check this reproduction<br>
<span class=3D"">&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ahead4healeys.co.uk/DECAL---AIR=
-FILTER-id4963.aspx" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ahead4=
healeys.co.<wbr>uk/DECAL---AIR-FILTER-id4963.<wbr>aspx</a><br>
&gt; It looks a lot better that the ones that I have purchased in the past<=
br>
&gt; (above).<br>
</span>&gt; *Second* consider what happened to me with the reproduction of =
early horn<br>
<span class=3D"">&gt; rims. (Not my first experience in this BTW).<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=3D1335" rel=3D"norefer=
rer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.netbug.net/<wbr>blogmichael/?p=3D1335</a>=
<br>
&gt; I have been completely unsuccessful in trying to sell these to the usu=
al<br>
&gt; suspects at below my cost (too expensive they say) they want to pay no=
 more<br>
&gt; than 20% of the retail price for parts!!!<br>
</span>&gt; *Third* consider where the filter decals are installed on the c=
ar. They are<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">&gt; almost impossible to see when =
fitted and it would take a contortionist to<br>
&gt; actually distinguish a repro from an original during a concours inspec=
tion.<br>
&gt; Unfortunately, to my cost, I have learned that the vast majority of pe=
ople<br>
&gt; are far from discerning when it comes to the fine details, not how it<=
br>
&gt; should be perhaps, but how it is!!!<br>
&gt; Just sayin,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Michael S<br>
&gt; BN1 #174<br>
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From: i erbs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:17:59 -0700

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Is this what you mean?

Ira Erbs
1959 100-6
MKI engine and disc brakes
Portland,OR

On Oct 2, 2016 6:06 PM, "Austin Healeys List" <[email-masked]>
wrote:

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<p dir=3D"ltr">Is this what you mean?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<br>
1959 100-6<br>
MKI engine and disc brakes<br>
Portland,OR</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 2, 2016 6:=
06 PM, &quot;Austin Healeys List&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:austinhealeysl=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attrib=
ution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Michael,<br>
<br>
Yes, how hard is it indeed. I have followed your saga with the horn<br>
rims and feel your frustration. Some might say there is a small<br>
fortune to be made in accurately reproducing old car parts, the only<br>
proviso is that you have a much bigger fortune to begin with.<br>
<br>
I must confess that I&#39;m not making these for a 100, nor even a Healey.<=
br>
There was an aluminium head conversion called a &quot;Raymond Mays&quot;<br=
available for the Dagenham six cylinder and it used Healey 100 air<br>
cleaners on the carbs tipped up at 45 degrees so they are the first<br>
thing you see. It will bug me far more than the cost of doing a proper<br>
repro if I have to look at the current offerings every time I open the<br>
lid.<br>
<br>
The cost to make a thousand is a bit under $2/each, the cost to make<br>
ten is a bit under $30/each. Although I have had a few requests for<br>
small quantities, I&#39;m only interested in selling them all as one<br>
shipment. I&#39;ll try some of the suppliers suggested but I think it will<=
br>
be just a few that get made in the end.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andy.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/3/16, Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">m=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Andy,<br>
&gt; Like you I too have been regularly frustrated by the quality of parts<=
br>
&gt; available.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; How hard it it to make it RIGHT!!!!!!!<br>
&gt; However, I recommend that unless you have money to burn, tread lightly=
.<br>
&gt; *First* check this reproduction<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ahead4healeys.co.uk/DECAL---AIR-FILTER-id4963.as=
px" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ahead4healeys.co.<wbr>u=
k/DECAL---AIR-FILTER-id4963.<wbr>aspx</a><br>
&gt; It looks a lot better that the ones that I have purchased in the past<=
br>
&gt; (above).<br>
&gt; *Second* consider what happened to me with the reproduction of early h=
orn<br>
&gt; rims. (Not my first experience in this BTW).<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=3D1335" rel=3D"norefer=
rer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.netbug.net/<wbr>blogmichael/?p=3D1335</a>=
<br>
&gt; I have been completely unsuccessful in trying to sell these to the usu=
al<br>
&gt; suspects at below my cost (too expensive they say) they want to pay no=
 more<br>
&gt; than 20% of the retail price for parts!!!<br>
&gt; *Third* consider where the filter decals are installed on the car. The=
y are<br>
&gt; almost impossible to see when fitted and it would take a contortionist=
 to<br>
&gt; actually distinguish a repro from an original during a concours inspec=
tion.<br>
&gt; Unfortunately, to my cost, I have learned that the vast majority of pe=
ople<br>
&gt; are far from discerning when it comes to the fine details, not how it<=
br>
&gt; should be perhaps, but how it is!!!<br>
&gt; Just sayin,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Michael S<br>
&gt; BN1 #174<br>
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