Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question

From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 19:46:37 +0200 (MEST)

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Hello Bill,
I suspect you have the original 3speed gearbox installed.
The gearbox has a design fault, as there is no real vent in the gearbox=20
casing, so higher inside pressure when oil gets hot can=C2=B4t evaporate as=
 its=20
should. So oil moves through any gap to find. When you get your leak closed=
=20
at the clutch ring it will press out somewhere else. You can=C2=B4t avoid i=
t.=20
The usual way out for the oil is at the clutch ring.
=20
Josef Eckert
54BN1, 62BT7, 65Sprite
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=20
=20
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
Datum: 2016-10-24T12:57:15+0200
Von: "WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" <[email-masked]>
An: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
=20
=20
=20
Before everyone leaves and the lights are turned off I have a question I'd=
=20
like to ask about the Laycock De Normanville  overdrive. I have my=20
transmission out out and realize I need to do a certain amount of=20
disassembly of the OD because it is seeping oil at the clutch ring. There=
=20
are no gaskets, but I would like to smear some Hylomar on the joint faces=
=20
to stop the leak. If I remove the rear OD housing will there be enough=20
clearance between the clutch ring and the clutch lining to allow me to move=
=20
the ring away from the casing far enough to clean and seal the front=20
surface without removing the entire OD and disassembling it?
=20
I started out to rebuild the engine and just keep finding more work needing=
=20
to be done...
=20
Thanks.
=20
Bill Lawrence
BN1#554
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xt-decoration:none">Hello Bill,<br /></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">I suspect you have =
the original 3speed gearbox installed.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">The gearbox has a d=
esign fault, as there is no real vent in the gearbox casing, so higher insi=
de pressure when oil gets hot can&acute;t evaporate as its should. So oil m=
oves through any gap to find. When you get your leak closed at the clutch r=
ing it will press out somewhere else. You can&acute;t avoid it. The usual w=
ay out for the oil is at the clutch ring.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef Eckert</span>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">54BN1, 62BT7, 65Spr=
ite</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: [Healeys] Overdrive Question</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2016-10-24T12:57:15+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
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font-family: Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Before everyone leaves and the lights are turned =
off I have a question I'd like to ask about the Laycock De&nbsp;Normanville=
 &nbsp;overdrive. I have my transmission out out and realize I&nbsp;need to=
 do a certain amount of disassembly&nbsp;of the OD&nbsp;because it is seepi=
ng oil at the clutch ring. There are no gaskets, but I would like to smear&=
nbsp;some Hylomar on the joint faces to stop the leak. If I remove the rear=
 OD housing will there be enough clearance between the clutch ring and the =
clutch lining to allow me to move the ring away from the casing far enough =
to&nbsp;clean and seal the front surface without removing the entire OD and=
 disassembling it?</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">I started out to rebuild the engine and just keep=
 finding more work needing to be done...</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Thanks.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Bill Lawrence</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">BN1#554</p>
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From: Henry Morrison <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 00:57:33 +0000

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Bill, ya gotta get in there and replace all the seals including the little =
ones on the cross shaft...............

Henry Morrison

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________________________________
From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of WILLIAM B LAWRE=
NCE <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 9:26 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Question

Before everyone leaves and the lights are turned off I have a question I'd =
like to ask about the Laycock De Normanville  overdrive. I have my transmis=
sion out out and realize I need to do a certain amount of disassembly of th=
e OD because it is seeping oil at the clutch ring. There are no gaskets, bu=
t I would like to smear some Hylomar on the joint faces to stop the leak. I=
f I remove the rear OD housing will there be enough clearance between the c=
lutch ring and the clutch lining to allow me to move the ring away from the=
 casing far enough to clean and seal the front surface without removing the=
 entire OD and disassembling it?

Thanks.

Bill Lawrence

BN1#554

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<p>Bill, ya gotta get in there and replace all the seals including the litt=
le ones on the cross shaft...............</p>
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<p>Henry Morrison<br>
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<p>Before everyone leaves and the lights are turned off I have a question I=
'd like to ask about the Laycock De&nbsp;Normanville &nbsp;overdrive. I hav=
e my transmission out out and realize I&nbsp;need to do a certain amount of=
 disassembly&nbsp;of the OD&nbsp;because it is seeping oil
 at the clutch ring. There are no gaskets, but I would like to smear&nbsp;s=
ome Hylomar on the joint faces to stop the leak. If I remove the rear OD ho=
using will there be enough clearance between the clutch ring and the clutch=
 lining to allow me to move the ring
 away from the casing far enough to&nbsp;clean and seal the front surface w=
ithout removing the entire OD and disassembling it?</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I started out to rebuild the engine and just keep finding more work need=
ing to be done...</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p><br>
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<p>Bill Lawrence</p>
<p>BN1#554</p>
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Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 20:27:53 -0700

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In my experiences neither of the two types Hylomar will not seal that joint.

John Spaur

San Jose

From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of WILLIAM B
LAWRENCE
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Question

.disassembly of the OD because it is seeping oil at the clutch ring. There
are no gaskets, but I would like to smear some Hylomar on the joint faces to
stop the leak. 

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Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>WILLIAM B LAWRENCE<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] =
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pan =
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f the OD&nbsp;because it is seeping oil at the clutch ring. There are no =
gaskets, but I would like to smear&nbsp;some Hylomar on the joint faces =
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 13:40:33 +0000 (UTC)

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Soooooooo ... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the joint?=20

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From: "John Spaur" <[email-masked]>=20
To: "WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" <[email-masked]>, "healeys" <[email-masked]=
et>=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:27:53 PM=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question=20

In my experiences neither of the two types Hylomar will not seal that joint=
.=20

John Spaur=20

San Jose=20

From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of WILLIAM =
B LAWRENCE=20
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 PM=20
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Question=20

=E2=80=A6 disassembly of the OD because it is seeping oil at the clutch rin=
g. There are no gaskets, but I would like to smear some Hylomar on the join=
t faces to stop the leak.=20

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00"><div>Soooooooo ... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the joint?</div><div=
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ial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"John Spaur" &lt;jmsdarch@sbcg=
lobal.net&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;, "=
healeys" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 25=
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 Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>WILLIA=
M B LAWRENCE<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 PM<br><b>To:</b>=
 [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Overdrive Question</sp=
an></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div id=3D"divtagdefaul=
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r:#1F497D">=E2=80=A6</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black">disassembly&nbsp;of the OD&nbsp;because it is seepin=
g oil at the clutch ring. There are no gaskets, but I would like to smear&n=
bsp;some Hylomar on the joint faces to stop the leak. </span></p></div></di=
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seems like any RTV that is oil compliant will work. There is no internal 
pressure that will force oil out. The oil level in the OD is just above 
the operating shaft level, hence the need for the o-rings on the shaft.

DaveP adding to the wisdom....

On 10/26/2016 7:40 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:
> Soooooooo ... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the joint?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"John Spaur" <[email-masked]>
> *To: *"WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" <[email-masked]>, "healeys" 
> <[email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:27:53 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of 
> *WILLIAM B LAWRENCE
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Overdrive Question
>
> …disassembly of the OD because it is seeping oil at the clutch ring. 
> There are no gaskets, but I would like to smear some Hylomar on the 
> joint faces to stop the leak.
>
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    <p>seems like any RTV that is oil compliant will work. There is no
      internal pressure that will force oil out. The oil level in the OD
      is just above the operating shaft level, hence the need for the
      o-rings on the shaft.</p>
    <p>DaveP adding to the wisdom....<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/26/2016 7:40 AM, Bob Spidell
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        <div>Soooooooo ... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the joint?</div>
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          </b>"John Spaur" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          <b>To: </b>"WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>,
          "healeys" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:27:53 PM<br>
          <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question<br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In
                my experiences neither of the two types Hylomar will not
                seal that joint.</span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                    Healeys [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <b>On
                      Behalf Of </b>WILLIAM B LAWRENCE<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Overdrive Question</span></p>
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                  style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">…</span><span
style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">disassembly of
                  the OD because it is seeping oil at the clutch ring.
                  There are no gaskets, but I would like to smear some
                  Hylomar on the joint faces to stop the leak. </span></p>
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