Subject: [Healeys] 123 Tune - timing settings

From: "Roger Grace" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 11:29:51 -0700

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I recently installed a 123 Tune distributor on my BJ8, replacing a =
Pertronix =E2=80=93 mainly for ease of adjustments, repeatability, and =
to eliminate the mechanical weights springs and vacuum advance; and not =
be constrained by the mechanical limits of the Lucas/Pertronix; a crank =
fired system was appealing but too much hassle to fit the toothed wheel =
!

Works OK - now after realising you have to be ultra diligent about =
taking up the rotor drive freeplay before closing the cap.
Timing curves are set via a USB connection to a PC.
Checked with a timing light and the advance you set is what you get at =
the crank.

Hoping some other listers have installed a 123 Tune and would share the =
settings/curves that have worked best for them on AH 3000 engines and =
not being constrained by mechanical advance. Also vacuum settings that =
have worked.

My manual gives 10 deg. static advance and 15 deg strobe at 600 RPM then =
34-38 deg at 6400 RPM.
I used max of 35 deg at 6400 RPM
When I use these settings the timing was too retarded.
Checked with a vacuum gauge that was very jittery at 700 RPM and way =
down at about 7-10 ins

To get a sensible vacuum reading (18ins) have to use around 22 deg at =
600 RPM.=20
Did some road testing =E2=80=93 the 123 software has a nice RPM =
stopwatch feature.
Around 22 deg seems to give best results. Went from 1200 RPM to 2800 RPM =
in 4th and 3rd gears. Interesting - reducing advance to 17 deg made a =
big difference =E2=80=93 lot worse. Use 94 octane Chevron and no =
pinging. Believe it is a standard cam. Only mod I have is  a Maniflow =
exhaust header. Compression is OK at 155 psi ave.

So why are these advance setting so different to what the manual gives =
for the Lucas 25D ?
(I find some of the manual advance data to be confusing particularly the =
decelerating and vacuum settings)=20
Unfortunately didn=E2=80=99t take a note of the settings I used before I =
made the distributor change as had just set it =E2=80=9Cby ear=E2=80=9D.

Also wonder if anyone has tried manifold vacuum for advance instead of =
the ported take off ? With the flexibility of the 123 it sort of makes =
sense to deviate from the standard settings.

rg=20

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distributor=20
on my BJ8, replacing a Pertronix =E2=80=93 mainly for ease of =
adjustments,=20
repeatability, and to eliminate the mechanical weights springs and =
vacuum=20
advance; and not be constrained by the mechanical limits of the =
Lucas/Pertronix;=20
a crank fired system was appealing but too much hassle to fit the =
toothed wheel=20
!</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">Works OK - now after realising you =
have to be=20
ultra diligent about taking up the rotor drive freeplay before closing =
the=20
cap.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">Timing curves are set via a USB =
connection to=20
a PC.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">Checked with a timing light and the =
advance=20
you set is what you get at the crank.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">Hoping some other listers have =
installed a=20
123 Tune and would share the settings/curves that have worked best for =
them on=20
AH 3000 engines and not being constrained by mechanical advance. Also =
vacuum=20
settings that have worked.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">My manual gives 10 deg. static =
advance and 15=20
deg strobe at 600 RPM then 34-38 deg at 6400 RPM.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">I used max of 35 deg at 6400 =
RPM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">When I use these settings the =
timing was too=20
retarded.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">Checked with a vacuum gauge that =
was very=20
jittery at 700 RPM and way down at about 7-10 ins</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">To get a sensible vacuum reading =
(18ins) have=20
to use around 22 deg at 600 RPM. </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">Did some road testing =E2=80=93 the =
123 software has=20
a nice RPM stopwatch feature.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">Around 22 deg seems to give best =
results.=20
Went from 1200 RPM to 2800 RPM in 4th and 3rd gears. Interesting - =
reducing=20
advance to 17 deg made a big difference =E2=80=93 lot worse. Use 94 =
octane Chevron and=20
no pinging. Believe it is a standard cam. Only mod I have is&nbsp; a =
Maniflow=20
exhaust header. Compression is OK at 155 psi ave.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">So why are these advance setting so =
different=20
to what the manual gives for the Lucas 25D ?</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">(I find some of the manual advance =
data to be=20
confusing particularly the decelerating and vacuum settings) </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">Unfortunately didn=E2=80=99t take a =
note of the=20
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<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">Also wonder if anyone has tried =
manifold=20
vacuum for advance instead of the ported take off ? With the flexibility =
of the=20
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The ported vacuum takeoff is located ahead of the throttle butterflies so t=
hey are separated from manifold vacuum when the butterflies are closed. tha=
t means the vacuum advance comes into play when the throttle is opened and =
not at idle. Taking the signal from the manifold would mean the advance wou=
ld occur when the throttle is closed, which is the opposite of what the eng=
ine needs.

Bill Lawrence

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From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Roger Grace <ro=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:29 PM
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Subject: [Healeys] 123 Tune - timing settings

I recently installed a 123 Tune distributor on my BJ8, replacing a Pertroni=
x - mainly for ease of adjustments, repeatability, and to eliminate the mec=
hanical weights springs and vacuum advance; and not be constrained by the m=
echanical limits of the Lucas/Pertronix; a crank fired system was appealing=
 but too much hassle to fit the toothed wheel !

Works OK - now after realising you have to be ultra diligent about taking u=
p the rotor drive freeplay before closing the cap.
Timing curves are set via a USB connection to a PC.
Checked with a timing light and the advance you set is what you get at the =
crank.

Hoping some other listers have installed a 123 Tune and would share the set=
tings/curves that have worked best for them on AH 3000 engines and not bein=
g constrained by mechanical advance. Also vacuum settings that have worked.

My manual gives 10 deg. static advance and 15 deg strobe at 600 RPM then 34=
-38 deg at 6400 RPM.
I used max of 35 deg at 6400 RPM
When I use these settings the timing was too retarded.
Checked with a vacuum gauge that was very jittery at 700 RPM and way down a=
t about 7-10 ins

To get a sensible vacuum reading (18ins) have to use around 22 deg at 600 R=
PM.
Did some road testing - the 123 software has a nice RPM stopwatch feature.
Around 22 deg seems to give best results. Went from 1200 RPM to 2800 RPM in=
 4th and 3rd gears. Interesting - reducing advance to 17 deg made a big dif=
ference - lot worse. Use 94 octane Chevron and no pinging. Believe it is a =
standard cam. Only mod I have is  a Maniflow exhaust header. Compression is=
 OK at 155 psi ave.

So why are these advance setting so different to what the manual gives for =
the Lucas 25D ?
(I find some of the manual advance data to be confusing particularly the de=
celerating and vacuum settings)
Unfortunately didn't take a note of the settings I used before I made the d=
istributor change as had just set it "by ear".

Also wonder if anyone has tried manifold vacuum for advance instead of the =
ported take off ? With the flexibility of the 123 it sort of makes sense to=
 deviate from the standard settings.

rg

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<p>The ported vacuum takeoff is located ahead of the throttle butterflies s=
o they are separated from manifold vacuum when the butterflies are closed. =
that means the vacuum advance comes into play when the throttle is opened a=
nd not at idle. Taking the signal
 from the manifold would mean the advance would&nbsp;occur when the throttl=
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<p>Bill Lawrence</p>
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<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">I recently installed a 123 Tune distrib=
utor on my BJ8, replacing a Pertronix &#8211; mainly for ease of adjustment=
s, repeatability, and to eliminate the mechanical weights springs and vacuu=
m advance; and not be constrained by the
 mechanical limits of the Lucas/Pertronix; a crank fired system was appeali=
ng but too much hassle to fit the toothed wheel !</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Works OK - now after realising you have=
 to be ultra diligent about taking up the rotor drive freeplay before closi=
ng the cap.</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Timing curves are set via a USB connect=
ion to a PC.</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Checked with a timing light and the adv=
ance you set is what you get at the crank.</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hoping some other listers have installe=
d a 123 Tune and would share the settings/curves that have worked best for =
them on AH 3000 engines and not being constrained by mechanical advance. Al=
so vacuum settings that have worked.</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">My manual gives 10 deg. static advance =
and 15 deg strobe at 600 RPM then 34-38 deg at 6400 RPM.</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">I used max of 35 deg at 6400 RPM</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">When I use these settings the timing wa=
s too retarded.</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Checked with a vacuum gauge that was ve=
ry jittery at 700 RPM and way down at about 7-10 ins</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">To get a sensible vacuum reading (18ins=
) have to use around 22 deg at 600 RPM.
</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Did some road testing &#8211; the 123 s=
oftware has a nice RPM stopwatch feature.</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Around 22 deg seems to give best result=
s. Went from 1200 RPM to 2800 RPM in 4th and 3rd gears. Interesting - reduc=
ing advance to 17 deg made a big difference &#8211; lot worse. Use 94 octan=
e Chevron and no pinging. Believe it is
 a standard cam. Only mod I have is&nbsp; a Maniflow exhaust header. Compre=
ssion is OK at 155 psi ave.</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">So why are these advance setting so dif=
ferent to what the manual gives for the Lucas 25D ?</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">(I find some of the manual advance data=
 to be confusing particularly the decelerating and vacuum settings)
</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Unfortunately didn&#8217;t take a note =
of the settings I used before I made the distributor change as had just set=
 it &#8220;by ear&#8221;.</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Also wonder if anyone has tried manifol=
d vacuum for advance instead of the ported take off ? With the flexibility =
of the 123 it sort of makes sense to deviate from the standard settings.</d=
iv>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">rg </div>
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