Subject: Re: [Healeys] clutch slave cylinder

From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:47:47 -0400

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Hi Ed,
My first guess would be that you have installed a bearing which is too high
so that even with the slave cylinder fully retracted and the correct length
push rod (check that you have the correct length push rod as well) the
bearing is still pressing on the clutch.
As you probably know there should be free play on that push rod once the
clutch is installed.
Michael S
BN1 #174

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Ed O'Neal <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Gents,
>
>
>
> About 15K miles ago I replaced the clutch (1960 BT7) and put in a new
> throw out bearing.  Recently I heard the dreaded metal-on-metal sound whe=
n
> depressing the clutch peddle.  Upon removing the trans, I found the throw
> out bearing completely worn down to the steel casting =E2=80=93 hence the
> metal-on-metal sound.  On reassembly, I noted that the clutch slave
> cylinder put constant thrust on the push rod keeping the bearing in conta=
ct
> with the pressure plate release arms.  Obviously this is what caused the
> throw out bearing to ware out so fast.  I replaced the master cylinder an=
d
> blead the system extensively =E2=80=93 absolutely no air in the system.  =
Yet the
> slave cylinder continues to press the throw out bearing into the pressure
> plate.  Any ideas as to why this is happening????
>
>
>
> Ed O=E2=80=99Neal
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Ed,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">My first=
 guess would be that you have installed a bearing which is too high so that=
 even with the slave cylinder fully retracted and the correct length push r=
od (check that you have the correct length push rod as well) the bearing is=
 still pressing on the clutch.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">As you probably k=
now there should be free play on that push rod once the clutch is installed=
.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,=
sans-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">BN1 #174<br=
></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
hu, Apr 14, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Ed O&#39;Neal <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Gents,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">About 15K miles ago I replaced the clutch=
 (1960 BT7) and put in a new throw out bearing.=C2=A0 Recently I heard the =
dreaded metal-on-metal sound when depressing the clutch peddle.=C2=A0
 Upon removing the trans, I found the throw out bearing completely worn dow=
n to the steel casting =E2=80=93 hence the metal-on-metal sound.=C2=A0 On r=
eassembly, I noted that the clutch slave cylinder put constant thrust on th=
e push rod keeping the bearing in contact with
 the pressure plate release arms.=C2=A0 Obviously this is what caused the t=
hrow out bearing to ware out so fast.=C2=A0 I replaced the master cylinder =
and blead the system extensively =E2=80=93 absolutely no air in the system.=
=C2=A0 Yet the slave cylinder continues to press the throw
 out bearing into the pressure plate.=C2=A0 Any ideas as to why this is hap=
pening????<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><u></u><u></u></fo=
nt></span></span></p><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:06:05 +0000 (UTC)

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I'll be the first of many to say: Clutch flex line is collapsed internally.=
=20

Bob=20

Gents,=20

About 15K miles ago I replaced the clutch (1960 BT7) and put in a new throw=
 out bearing. Recently I heard the dreaded metal-on-metal sound when depres=
sing the clutch peddle. Upon removing the trans, I found the throw out bear=
ing completely worn down to the steel casting =E2=80=93 hence the metal-on-=
metal sound. On reassembly, I noted that the clutch slave cylinder put cons=
tant thrust on the push rod keeping the bearing in contact with the pressur=
e plate release arms. Obviously this is what caused the throw out bearing t=
o ware out so fast. I replaced the master cylinder and blead the system ext=
ensively =E2=80=93 absolutely no air in the system. Yet the slave cylinder =
continues to press the throw out bearing into the pressure plate. Any ideas=
 as to why this is happening????=20

Ed O=E2=80=99Neal=20

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">About 15K miles ago I replaced the clutch=
 (1960 BT7) and put in a new throw out bearing.&nbsp; Recently I heard the =
dreaded metal-on-metal sound when depressing the clutch peddle.&nbsp;
 Upon removing the trans, I found the throw out bearing completely worn dow=
n to the steel casting =E2=80=93 hence the metal-on-metal sound.&nbsp; On r=
eassembly, I noted that the clutch slave cylinder put constant thrust on th=
e push rod keeping the bearing in contact with
 the pressure plate release arms.&nbsp; Obviously this is what caused the t=
hrow out bearing to ware out so fast.&nbsp; I replaced the master cylinder =
and blead the system extensively =E2=80=93 absolutely no air in the system.=
&nbsp; Yet the slave cylinder continues to press the throw
 out bearing into the pressure plate.&nbsp; Any ideas as to why this is hap=
pening????</span></p>
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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:33:41 -0700

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Either the wrong combination of clutch cover and throw out bearing. Or =
the push rod on the slave cylinder is to long

David Nock
British Car Specialists
209-948-8767
www.britishcarspecialists.com

From: Ed O'Neal=20
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 2:14 PM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: [Healeys] clutch slave cylinder

Gents,

=20

About 15K miles ago I replaced the clutch (1960 BT7) and put in a new =
throw out bearing.  Recently I heard the dreaded metal-on-metal sound =
when depressing the clutch peddle.  Upon removing the trans, I found the =
throw out bearing completely worn down to the steel casting =E2=80=93 =
hence the metal-on-metal sound.  On reassembly, I noted that the clutch =
slave cylinder put constant thrust on the push rod keeping the bearing =
in contact with the pressure plate release arms.  Obviously this is what =
caused the throw out bearing to ware out so fast.  I replaced the master =
cylinder and blead the system extensively =E2=80=93 absolutely no air in =
the system.  Yet the slave cylinder continues to press the throw out =
bearing into the pressure plate.  Any ideas as to why this is =
happening????

=20

Ed O=E2=80=99Neal

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miles ago I=20
replaced the clutch (1960 BT7) and put in a new throw out bearing.&nbsp; =

Recently I heard the dreaded metal-on-metal sound when depressing the =
clutch=20
peddle.&nbsp; Upon removing the trans, I found the throw out bearing =
completely=20
worn down to the steel casting =E2=80=93 hence the metal-on-metal =
sound.&nbsp; On=20
reassembly, I noted that the clutch slave cylinder put constant thrust =
on the=20
push rod keeping the bearing in contact with the pressure plate release=20
arms.&nbsp; Obviously this is what caused the throw out bearing to ware =
out so=20
fast.&nbsp; I replaced the master cylinder and blead the system =
extensively =E2=80=93=20
absolutely no air in the system.&nbsp; Yet the slave cylinder continues =
to press=20
the throw out bearing into the pressure plate.&nbsp; Any ideas as to why =
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From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 23:47:06 +0000

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Another cause could be that the master cylinder doesn't have any free play.=
 The actuating rod (connection from the pedal) needs to have about 1/16" of=
 clearance from the master cylinder piston when it is released or the bleed=
 port in the end of the  cylinder may not open and the fluid pressure in th=
e line won't bleed off.

Bill Lawrence

________________________________
From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Ed O'Neal <Ed@w=
adsworthoneal.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 9:14 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Healeys] clutch slave cylinder

Gents,

About 15K miles ago I replaced the clutch (1960 BT7) and put in a new throw=
 out bearing.  Recently I heard the dreaded metal-on-metal sound when depre=
ssing the clutch peddle.  Upon removing the trans, I found the throw out be=
aring completely worn down to the steel casting - hence the metal-on-metal =
sound.  On reassembly, I noted that the clutch slave cylinder put constant =
thrust on the push rod keeping the bearing in contact with the pressure pla=
te release arms.  Obviously this is what caused the throw out bearing to wa=
re out so fast.  I replaced the master cylinder and blead the system extens=
ively - absolutely no air in the system.  Yet the slave cylinder continues =
to press the throw out bearing into the pressure plate.  Any ideas as to wh=
y this is happening????

Ed O'Neal

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<p>Another cause could be that the master cylinder doesn't have any free pl=
ay. The actuating rod (connection from the pedal)&nbsp;needs to have about =
1/16&quot; of clearance from the master cylinder piston when it is released=
&nbsp;or the bleed port in the end of the &nbsp;cylinder
 may not&nbsp;open and the&nbsp;fluid&nbsp;pressure in the line&nbsp;won't =
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erif&quot;">About 15K miles ago I replaced the clutch (1960 BT7) and put in=
 a new throw out bearing.&nbsp; Recently I heard the dreaded metal-on-metal=
 sound when depressing the clutch peddle.&nbsp; Upon removing the
 trans, I found the throw out bearing completely worn down to the steel cas=
ting &#8211; hence the metal-on-metal sound.&nbsp; On reassembly, I noted t=
hat the clutch slave cylinder put constant thrust on the push rod keeping t=
he bearing in contact with the pressure plate
 release arms.&nbsp; Obviously this is what caused the throw out bearing to=
 ware out so fast.&nbsp; I replaced the master cylinder and blead the syste=
m extensively &#8211; absolutely no air in the system.&nbsp; Yet the slave =
cylinder continues to press the throw out bearing into
 the pressure plate.&nbsp; Any ideas as to why this is happening????</span>=
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;">Ed O&#8217;Neal</span></p>
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