Subject: [Healeys] Holes in Painted Surface

From: "Simon Lachlan" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:28:35 +0100

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Well, I=E2=80=99ve always done this.

1)      Put a piece of masking tape over the drilling point. Then =
another over that. Push them down  tight so they=E2=80=99re making close =
fit.

2)      Mark the start position through the tapes with a bradawl.

3)      Start drilling with a hand drill and a small, sharp(!!) drill =
bit. Sharp bit. Slow, steady pressure. Nice and straight so no skidding.

4)      Drill a nice little pilot hole. You should be OK by hand and, =
I=E2=80=99m guessing, that the metal isn=E2=80=99t too thick if =
it=E2=80=99s painted.

5)      Go up a size drill bit and drill with an electric drill, nice =
and steady does it. Keep it slow and straight so it won=E2=80=99t want =
to jump out.

6)      Keep going up in size until you get the right size hole.

Don=E2=80=99t forget what may be lurking on the other side of the =
painted surface...it may not like being drilled!

Simon

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D'>Put a piece of masking tape over the drilling point. Then another =
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D'>Mark the start position through the tapes with a =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Start drilling with a hand drill and a small, sharp(!!) drill bit. =
Sharp bit. Slow, steady pressure. Nice and straight so no =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Drill a nice little pilot hole. You should be OK by hand and, =
I=E2=80=99m guessing, that the metal isn=E2=80=99t too thick if =
it=E2=80=99s painted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Go up a size drill bit and drill with an electric drill, nice and =
steady does it. Keep it slow and straight so it won=E2=80=99t want to =
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D'>Keep going up in size until you get the right size =
hole.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>Don=E2=80=99t forget what may be lurking on the other side of the =
painted surface...it may not like being drilled!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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If I want to drill thru sheet metal I use one of the stepped, cone shaped "unibits". They make much better, rounder holes than standard drill bits in sheet metal. I would buy a new one if I was drilling thru a painted surface. If you have never used one, I suggest  drilling a few test holes in a similar thickness piece of scrap sheet metal, just to get the feel of using it. Also, when drilling it is not always obvious which step is the correct step to stop the drilling. So, I put a clear mark on the step with a felt tip marker before starting to drill. 
Gary Hodson  

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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
To: Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>; Healeys Help <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2016 8:19 am
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Holes in Painted Surface

    I suspect it would depend on type of material, type of paint,    condition of both, etc. but have always assumed applying some kind    of tape--electrical, masking, etc.--over and under--if the    underneath is painted, too--the area to be drilled is about all you    can do to prevent chipping.  Make sure you use a sharp bit, and a    variable speed drill so you can start slow to drill through the    paint.
    
    Begs the question: do you use a punch to 'prime' the hole--with or    without tape--before drilling?
    
    Bob

On 4/12/2016 12:29 AM, Michael MacLean      wrote:

        
What's the best          way to drill holes in a painted surface?
        
Mike MacLean

  

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<div>If I&nbsp;want to drill&nbsp;thru sheet metal I use one of the stepped, cone shaped "unibits". They make much better, rounder holes than standard drill bits in sheet metal. I would buy a new one if I was drilling thru a painted surface. If you have never used one, I suggest&nbsp; drilling a few test holes in a similar thickness piece of scrap sheet metal, just to get the feel of using it. Also, when drilling it is not always obvious which step is the correct step to stop the drilling. So, I put a clear mark on the step with a felt tip marker before starting to drill. </div>

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<div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Bob Spidell &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Michael MacLean &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Healeys Help &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2016 8:19 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Holes in Painted Surface<br>
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    I suspect it would depend on type of material, type of paint,
    condition of both, etc. but have always assumed applying some kind
    of tape--electrical, masking, etc.--over and under--if the
    underneath is painted, too--the area to be drilled is about all you
    can do to prevent chipping.&nbsp; Make sure you use a sharp bit, and a
    variable speed drill so you can start slow to drill through the
    paint.<br>

    <br>

    Begs the question: do you use a punch to 'prime' the hole--with or
    without tape--before drilling?<br>

    <br>

    Bob<br>

    <br>

<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/12/2016 12:29 AM, Michael MacLean
      wrote:<br>

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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:55:36 +0000 (UTC)

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I did not know such a simple question would bring such a huge response.=C2=
=A0 Thank you all very much, but of course we can all tell when the subject=
 is starting to peter out.=C2=A0 The comedians come out.=C2=A0 Always good =
for a laugh though. Thanks guys.Mike MacLean
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    On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 1:30 PM, Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@ho=
tmail.com> wrote:
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 But you can find Spit at most swim and dive shops.=C2=A0 :-)

Regards,
Richard C

> On Apr 13, 2016, at 07:36, Mark J Bradakis <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>> The blue stuff removes easily and doe snot [...]
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> Doe snot makes an excellent cutting lubricant. Hard to find at=20

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estion would bring such a huge response.&nbsp; Thank you all very much, but=
 of course we can all tell when the subject is starting to peter out.&nbsp;=
 The comedians come out.&nbsp; Always good for a laugh though. Thanks guys.=
</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460574356871_103007" dir=3D"ltr">Mike M=
acLean<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460574356871_103006"><span></=
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From: Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 03:20:31 +0000 (UTC)

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I don't know where you are going for Deer nuts at $1.75
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l.com> wrote:
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 No winners. =C2=A0
And the answer is that while Deer nuts usually cost about $1.75 Deer nuts a=
re always under a buck.
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......which reminds me of a real groaner:=C2=A0
Does anyone know the difference between Beer Nuts and Deer Nuts?
Best--Michael Oritt
On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:08 AM, John Sims <[email-masked]> wrote:

I have a family of five in the woods behind me -- buck doe and three young
ones. I'll try to catch them and have them blow their nose on a paper towel=
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Any bidders?

John Sims
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-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Mark J
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Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 1:04 AM
To: Healeys Help
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Holes in Painted Surface

> The blue stuff removes easily and doe snot [...]

Doe snot makes an excellent cutting lubricant. Hard to find at the local
hardware store, though.

mjb.

$12.75

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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px">I don't =
know where you are going for Deer nuts at $1.75<br><div><span></span></div>=
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class=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new yor=
k, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeu=
e, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: =
16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> On Wednesday, Apr=
il 13, 2016 8:13 PM, Michael Oritt &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<b=
r></font></div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255=
); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div cl=
ass=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv1217867055"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v class=3D"yiv1217867055gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff;">No winners.=
 &nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv1217867055gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333=
ff;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv1217867055gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"color:#3333ff;">And the answer is that while Deer nuts usually cost a=
bout $1.75 Deer nuts are always under a buck.</div><div class=3D"yiv1217867=
055gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv1217867055gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff;">Name withheld</=
div></div><div class=3D"yiv1217867055yqt6156825601" id=3D"yiv1217867055yqt9=
4840"><div class=3D"yiv1217867055gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=
=3D"yiv1217867055gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Michael Orit=
t <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@g=
mail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><=
blockquote class=3D"yiv1217867055gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"=
yiv1217867055gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff;">......which reminds me=
 of a real groaner:&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv1217867055gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"color:#3333ff;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv1217867055=
gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff;">Does anyone know the difference bet=
ween Beer Nuts and Deer Nuts?</div><div class=3D"yiv1217867055gmail_default=
" style=3D"color:#3333ff;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv121786=
7055gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff;">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div>=
<div class=3D"yiv1217867055HOEnZb"><div class=3D"yiv1217867055h5"><div clas=
s=3D"yiv1217867055gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv12178670=
55gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:08 AM, John Sims <span dir=3D"ltr"=
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l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex;">I have a family of five in the woods behind me -- buck doe and three=
 young<br clear=3D"none">
ones. I'll try to catch them and have them blow their nose on a paper towel=
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Any bidders?<br clear=3D"none">
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Doe snot makes an excellent cutting lubricant. Hard to find at the local<br=
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