Subject: Re: [Healeys] Indicator fault

From: i erbs <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 06:01:42 -0800

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There is a silver box on the left fender well in the engine compartment.
There are point in there that are part of the indicator light circuit.
Moisture can muck up the contacts. I just had mine cleaned and my lights
work fine.
Mr. Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
On Feb 26, 2016 5:47 AM, "John Rowe" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I am looking for some wisdom about an indicator problem. Unfortunately the
> wisdom in my garage is not up to the task.
>
> My left hand indicator works perfectly.
>
> My right hand indicator lights both front and rear lights but does not
> blink.
>
> I have followed the trouble shooting guide in the Workshop Manual but it
> does not cover this situation.
>
> The flasher can appears to be OK as the LHS works normally.
>
> I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay as per the Workshop
> manual trouble shooting guide and there is no change.
>
> I am at a lost at to what the problem is and the appropriate solution.
>
> As all ways any help would be appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> John Rowe
> Perth
> Western Australia
> 1959 3000 BT7
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">There is a silver box on the left fender well in the engine =
compartment. There are point in there that are part of the indicator light =
circuit. Moisture can muck up the contacts. I just had mine cleaned and my =
lights work fine.<br>
Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
Portland,OR</p>
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    <font face=3D"Arial">Hi All<br>
      <br>
      I am looking for some wisdom about an indicator problem. Unfortunatel=
y
      the wisdom in my garage is not up to the task.<br>
      <br>
      My left hand indicator works perfectly. <br>
      <br>
      My right hand indicator lights both front and rear lights but does
      not blink.<br>
      <br>
      I have followed the trouble shooting guide in the Workshop Manual
      but it does not cover this situation.<br>
      <br>
      The flasher can appears to be OK as the LHS works normally.<br>
      <br>
      I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay as per the
      Workshop manual trouble shooting guide and there is no change.<br>
      <br>
      I am at a lost at to what the problem is and the appropriate
      solution.<br>
      <br>
      As all ways any help would be appreciated.<br>
      <br>
      Regards<br>
      <br>
      John Rowe<br>
      Perth<br>
      Western Australia<br>
      1959 3000 BT7<br>
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Depending on the flasher relay, but most period Lucas relays only 
operate correctly if the Voltage is sufficiently high, i.e. around 13V,  
correct wattage bulbs are fitted and all connections, also to earth, are 
clean.
If the car is left standing for a while the indicator lights will come 
on, but often won't blink. After driving for a few minutes they will 
start operating normally again.
Most garages will start replacing the relay, unnecessary.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 26-2-2016 om 14:46 schreef John Rowe:
> Hi All
>
> I am looking for some wisdom about an indicator problem. Unfortunately 
> the wisdom in my garage is not up to the task.
>
> I have followed the trouble shooting guide in the Workshop Manual but 
> it does not cover this situation.
>
> Workshop manual trouble shooting guide and there is no change.
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      most period Lucas relays only operate correctly if the Voltage is
      sufficiently high, i.e. around 13V,  correct wattage bulbs are
      fitted and all connections, also to earth, are clean. <br>
      If the car is left standing for a while the indicator lights will
      come on, but often won't blink. After driving for a few minutes
      they will start operating normally again.<br>
      Most garages will start replacing the relay, unnecessary.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
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      Op 26-2-2016 om 14:46 schreef John Rowe:<br>
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      Hi All<br>
      <br>
      I am looking for some wisdom about an indicator problem.
      Unfortunately the wisdom in my garage is not up to the task.<br>
      <br>
      My left hand indicator works perfectly. <br>
      <br>
      My right hand indicator lights both front and rear lights but does
      not blink.<br>
      <br>
      I have followed the trouble shooting guide in the Workshop Manual
      but it does not cover this situation.<br>
      <br>
      The flasher can appears to be OK as the LHS works normally.<br>
      <br>
      I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay as per the
      Workshop manual trouble shooting guide and there is no change.<br>
      <br>
      I am at a lost at to what the problem is and the appropriate
      solution.<br>
      <br>
      As all ways any help would be appreciated.<br>
      <br>
      Regards<br>
      <br>
      John Rowe<br>
      Perth<br>
      Western Australia<br>
      1959 3000 BT7<br>
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John,

have you done anything to the wiring of the rear/brake lights in the back, 
side lights/flashers in the front? Perhaps you did here something wrong, 
mixed flashers with side/rear light filaments in the bulbs on the right 
hand side.

Josef Eckert

Germany

 

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Betreff: [Healeys] Indicator fault

Datum: 2016-02-26T14:47:53+0100

Von: "John Rowe" <[email-masked]>

An: "Healey List" <[email-masked]>

Hi All

Regards

John Rowe
Perth
Western Australia
1959 3000 BT7

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<p><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">John,<br /></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">have you done anything to the wiring of the rear/brake lights in the back, side lights/flashers in the front? Perhaps you did here something wrong, mixed flashers with side/rear light filaments in the bulbs on the right hand side. </span></p>
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<p>Betreff: [Healeys] Indicator fault</p>
<p>Datum: 2016-02-26T14:47:53+0100</p>
<p>Von: "John Rowe" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</p>
<p>An: "Healey List" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</p>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial;">Hi All<br /> <br /> I am looking for some wisdom about an indicator problem. Unfortunately the wisdom in my garage is not up to the task.<br /> <br /> My left hand indicator works perfectly. <br /> <br /> My right hand indicator lights both front and rear lights but does not blink.<br /> <br /> I have followed the trouble shooting guide in the Workshop Manual but it does not cover this situation.<br /> <br /> The flasher can appears to be OK as the LHS works normally.<br /> <br /> I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay as per the Workshop manual trouble shooting guide and there is no change.<br /> <br /> I am at a lost at to what the problem is and the appropriate solution.<br /> <br /> As all ways any help would be appreciated.<br /> <br /> Regards<br /> <br /> John Rowe<br /> Perth<br /> Western Australia<br /> 1959 3000 BT7<br /> </span></div></body></html>
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 08:14:20 -0800

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The front and rear turn lights are separate circuits from the flasher =
box. The only way that both will not work is if there is a problem in =
the flasher box.

The rear flasher is actually the rear brake light circuit on one side =
so.

Does both of your brake lights work ???

David Nock
British Car Specialists
209-948-8767
www.britishcarspecialists.com

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John,

have you done anything to the wiring of the rear/brake lights in the =
back, side lights/flashers in the front? Perhaps you did here something =
wrong, mixed flashers with side/rear light filaments in the bulbs on the =
right hand side.=20

Josef Eckert

Germany

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Hi All

I am looking for some wisdom about an indicator problem. Unfortunately =
the wisdom in my garage is not up to the task.

My left hand indicator works perfectly.=20

My right hand indicator lights both front and rear lights but does not =
blink.

I have followed the trouble shooting guide in the Workshop Manual but it =
does not cover this situation.

I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay as per the =
Workshop manual trouble shooting guide and there is no change.

Regards

John Rowe
Perth
Western Australia
1959 3000 BT7

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<P>Betreff: [Healeys] Indicator fault</P>
<P>Datum: 2016-02-26T14:47:53+0100</P>
<P>Von: "John Rowe" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</P>
<P>An: "Healey List" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</P>
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<DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial">Hi All<BR><BR>I am looking for =
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about an indicator problem. Unfortunately the wisdom in my garage is not =
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the task.<BR><BR>My left hand indicator works perfectly. <BR><BR>My =
right hand=20
indicator lights both front and rear lights but does not blink.<BR><BR>I =
have=20
followed the trouble shooting guide in the Workshop Manual but it does =
not cover=20
this situation.<BR><BR>The flasher can appears to be OK as the LHS works =

normally.<BR><BR>I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay =
as per=20
the Workshop manual trouble shooting guide and there is no =
change.<BR><BR>I am=20
at a lost at to what the problem is and the appropriate =
solution.<BR><BR>As all=20
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I had a similar issue, and the problem was the relay box that Ira =
mentions.  This was used in the earlier cars to allow the rear turn =
signals and brake lamps to function simultaneously.  In the April 2007 =
Healy Marque, Jean Caron submitted an article on how to replace the old =
point relays with modern electronic ones.  I=E2=80=99m no electrical =
wizard, but with care I was able to do the rebuild, and the modern =
relays work fine.  I=E2=80=99ve attached that article.  Alternatively, =
you can buy a new electronic box for a couple hundred bucks.

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Brea, CA

1960 BN7

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Hi All

Regards

John Rowe
Perth
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similar issue, and the problem was the relay box that Ira =
mentions.=C2=A0 This was used in the earlier cars to allow the rear turn =
signals and brake lamps to function simultaneously.=C2=A0 In the April =
2007 Healy Marque, Jean Caron submitted an article on how to replace the =
old point relays with modern electronic ones.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m no =
electrical wizard, but with care I was able to do the rebuild, and the =
modern relays work fine. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve attached that article. =
=C2=A0Alternatively, you can buy a new electronic box for a couple =
hundred bucks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Bruce Steele<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Brea, CA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>1960 BN7<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowte=
xt'> Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>John Rowe<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 26, 2016 5:47 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Healey List =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Indicator =
fault<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hi All<br><br>I am looking for =
some wisdom about an indicator problem. Unfortunately the wisdom in my =
garage is not up to the task.<br><br>My left hand indicator works =
perfectly. <br><br>My right hand indicator lights both front and rear =
lights but does not blink.<br><br>I have followed the trouble shooting =
guide in the Workshop Manual but it does not cover this =
situation.<br><br>The flasher can appears to be OK as the LHS works =
normally.<br><br>I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay =
as per the Workshop manual trouble shooting guide and there is no =
change.<br><br>I am at a lost at to what the problem is and the =
appropriate solution.<br><br>As all ways any help would be =
appreciated.<br><br>Regards<br><br>John Rowe<br>Perth<br>Western =
Australia<br>1959 3000 BT7</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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From: i erbs <[email-masked]>
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The new boxes are of suspect build quality. We took mine apart and cleaned
and de-rusted it. It works great. Thanks Geno for the hard work saving my
OEM part.

Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Bruce Steele <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I had a similar issue, and the problem was the relay box that Ira
> mentions.  This was used in the earlier cars to allow the rear turn signa=
ls
> and brake lamps to function simultaneously.  In the April 2007 Healy
> Marque, Jean Caron submitted an article on how to replace the old point
> relays with modern electronic ones.  I=E2=80=99m no electrical wizard, bu=
t with
> care I was able to do the rebuild, and the modern relays work fine.  I=E2=
=80=99ve
> attached that article.  Alternatively, you can buy a new electronic box f=
or
> a couple hundred bucks.
>
>
>
> Bruce Steele
>
> Brea, CA
>
> 1960 BN7
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *Jo=
hn
> Rowe
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 5:47 AM
> *To:* Healey List <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Indicator fault
>
>
>
> Hi All
>
> I am looking for some wisdom about an indicator problem. Unfortunately th=
e
> I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay as per the Worksho=
p
> As all ways any help would be appreciated.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">The new boxes are of suspect build quality. We took mine a=
part and cleaned and de-rusted it. It works great. Thanks Geno for the hard=
 work saving my OEM part.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"=
><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______</span><br style=3D"font-famil=
y:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times Ne=
w Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)=
</span><br style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)</span></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes</div></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Bruce Stee=
le <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1=
" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:=
&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">I had a similar issue=
, and the problem was the relay box that Ira mentions.=C2=A0 This was used =
in the earlier cars to allow the rear turn signals and brake lamps to funct=
ion simultaneously.=C2=A0 In the April 2007 Healy Marque, Jean Caron submit=
ted an article on how to replace the old point relays with modern electroni=
c ones.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m no electrical wizard, but with care I was able to=
 do the rebuild, and the modern relays work fine.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve attach=
ed that article.=C2=A0 Alternatively, you can buy a new electronic box for =
a couple hundred bucks.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Bruce Steel=
e<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Brea, CA<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet=
 MS&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">1960 BN7<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:windowtext"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=
=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext=
"> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Ro=
we<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 26, 2016 5:47 AM<br><b>To:</b> Healey L=
ist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healeys=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Indicator fault<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-=
serif">Hi All<br><br>I am looking for some wisdom about an indicator proble=
m. Unfortunately the wisdom in my garage is not up to the task.<br><br>My l=
eft hand indicator works perfectly. <br><br>My right hand indicator lights =
both front and rear lights but does not blink.<br><br>I have followed the t=
rouble shooting guide in the Workshop Manual but it does not cover this sit=
uation.<br><br>The flasher can appears to be OK as the LHS works normally.<=
br><br>I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay as per the Wo=
rkshop manual trouble shooting guide and there is no change.<br><br>I am at=
 a lost at to what the problem is and the appropriate solution.<br><br>As a=
ll ways any help would be appreciated.<br><br>Regards<br><br>John Rowe<br>P=
erth<br>Western Australia<br>1959 3000 BT7</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></=
div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 08:51:05 +1300

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Hi John,
The fact that all the indicator bulbs illuminate at the correct times indic=
ates to me that everything is wired correctly and that the relay box is wor=
king correctly.
I would suspect that the current draw of the RHS bulbs is slightly differen=
t to that of the LHS bulbs.
The flasher units are very sensitive to current draw and won't flash or fla=
sh very quickly when the draw is not correct.
First check that the lamps are wired correctly with the higher current bulb=
s being used for the signals / brake lights.
Next try putting the LHS bulbs in the RHS to see if things change.
A word of caution....be very careful to avoid shorting the flasher output s=
ide to ground.... They are delicate units and it is easy to "let the smoke =
leak out".
Michael S
BN1 #174

-----Original Message-----
From: "John Rowe" <[email-masked]>
Sent: =E2=80=8E27/=E2=80=8E02/=E2=80=8E2016 2:47 a.m.
To: "Healey List" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Healeys] Indicator fault

Hi All

I am looking for some wisdom about an indicator problem. Unfortunately the =
wisdom in my garage is not up to the task.

My right hand indicator lights both front and rear lights but does not blin=
k.

I have followed the trouble shooting guide in the Workshop Manual but it do=
es not cover this situation.

I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay as per the Workshop =
manual trouble shooting guide and there is no change.

Regards

John Rowe
Perth
Western Australia
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: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Hi John,<br>The fact that all the i=
ndicator bulbs illuminate at the correct times indicates to me that everyth=
ing is wired correctly and that the relay box is working correctly.<br>I wo=
uld suspect that the current draw of the RHS bulbs is slightly different to=
 that of the LHS bulbs.<br>The flasher units are very sensitive to current =
draw and won't flash or flash very quickly when the draw is not correct.<br=
>First check that the lamps are wired correctly with the higher current bul=
bs being used for the signals / brake lights.<br>Next try putting the LHS b=
ulbs in the RHS to see if things change.<br>A word of caution....be very ca=
reful to avoid shorting the flasher output side to ground.... They are deli=
cate units and it is easy to "let the smoke leak out".<br>Michael S<br>BN1 =
#174</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><hr><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,sa=
ns-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">From: </span><span style=3D"=
font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href=3D"mailto:jarowe=
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Good Morning John=2C
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I had the identical problem recently.
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I purchased a replacement flasher can at the local auto supply store here i=
n Australia=2C and it was less than $10. Type: Narva Flashers (Thermal Flas=
her) P/No 68203BL.
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Original Lucas can terminals were labeled B=2C P and L.
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Replacement can terminals are labeled X=2C P and L.
=20
Installed it=3B everything back to normal. (Kept the original can for futur=
e refurbishment).
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I wouldn't assume your flasher can is serviceable=2C if one side of the car=
 is not flashing.
=20
Hope that helps you.
=20
Cheers=2C Graham Wilkie.
BJ8 Moruya NSW Australia.
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To: [email-masked]
From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri=2C 26 Feb 2016 21:46:49 +0800
Subject: [Healeys] Indicator fault

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=3B<BR>Cheers=2C Graham Wilkie.<BR>BJ8 Moruya NSW Australia.<br>&nbsp=3B<BR=
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Many thanks to all who replied with their wisdom.

It turns out it was a corrosion problem. I just had to dig deeper with 
the wirebrush and emery paper.

The earth connection from the right front indicator light joins the 
wiring harness behind the LHS splash guard under the LHS mudguard.
Cleaned that connection and VOILA Lucas was back in charge. (If you will 
excuse the pun).

We now have all indicators working correctly but an non working 
overdrive problem to solve.

All these problems after 15 years since a full restoration.

Regards from West OZ

John Rowe
1959 3000 #110

> As all ways any help would be appreciated.

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    Many thanks to all who replied with their wisdom.<br>
    <br>
    It turns out it was a corrosion problem. I just had to dig deeper
    with the wirebrush and emery paper.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    The earth connection from the right front indicator light joins the
    wiring harness behind the LHS splash guard under the LHS mudguard.<br>
    Cleaned that connection and VOILA Lucas was back in charge. (If you
    will excuse the pun).<br>
    <br>
    We now have all indicators working correctly but an non working
    overdrive problem to solve.<br>
    <br>
    All these problems after 15 years since a full restoration.<br>
    <br>
    Regards from West OZ<br>
    <br>
    John Rowe<br>
    1959 3000 #110<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/02/2016 9:46 PM, John Rowe wrote:<br>
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      <font face="Arial">Hi All<br>
        <br>
        I am looking for some wisdom about an indicator problem.
        Unfortunately the wisdom in my garage is not up to the task.<br>
        <br>
        My left hand indicator works perfectly. <br>
        <br>
        My right hand indicator lights both front and rear lights but
        does not blink.<br>
        <br>
        I have followed the trouble shooting guide in the Workshop
        Manual but it does not cover this situation.<br>
        <br>
        The flasher can appears to be OK as the LHS works normally.<br>
        <br>
        I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay as per
        the Workshop manual trouble shooting guide and there is no
        change.<br>
        <br>
        I am at a lost at to what the problem is and the appropriate
        solution.<br>
        <br>
        As all ways any help would be appreciated.<br>
        <br>
        Regards<br>
        <br>
        John Rowe<br>
        Perth<br>
        Western Australia<br>
        1959 3000 BT7<br>
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From: richard mayor <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:19:41 -0800

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I have a similar problem but with a different car of the same era, and I
think you just gave me the right answer:  "dig deeper with a wire brush and
emery paper".  Thank you John!

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Rowe <[email-masked]> wrote:

> It turns out it was a corrosion problem. I just had to dig deeper with the
> wirebrush and emery paper.
>
>
> The earth connection from the right front indicator light joins the wiring
> harness behind the LHS splash guard under the LHS mudguard.
> We now have all indicators working correctly but an non working overdrive
> problem to solve.
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have a similar problem but with a different car of the s=
ame era, and I think you just gave me the right answer:=C2=A0 &quot;dig dee=
per with a wire brush and emery paper&quot;.=C2=A0 Thank you John!<br>=C2=
=A0<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On M=
on, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Rowe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<=
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ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    Many thanks to all who replied with their wisdom.<br>
    <br>
    It turns out it was a corrosion problem. I just had to dig deeper
    with the wirebrush and emery paper.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    The earth connection from the right front indicator light joins the
    wiring harness behind the LHS splash guard under the LHS mudguard.<br>
    Cleaned that connection and VOILA Lucas was back in charge. (If you
    will excuse the pun).<br>
    <br>
    We now have all indicators working correctly but an non working
    overdrive problem to solve.<br>
    <br>
    All these problems after 15 years since a full restoration.<br>
    <br>
    Regards from West OZ<br>
    <br>
    John Rowe<br>
    1959 3000 #110<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 26/02/2016 9:46 PM, John Rowe wrote:<br>
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      <font face=3D"Arial">Hi All<br>
        <br>
        I am looking for some wisdom about an indicator problem.
        Unfortunately the wisdom in my garage is not up to the task.<br>
        <br>
        My left hand indicator works perfectly. <br>
        <br>
        My right hand indicator lights both front and rear lights but
        does not blink.<br>
        <br>
        I have followed the trouble shooting guide in the Workshop
        Manual but it does not cover this situation.<br>
        <br>
        The flasher can appears to be OK as the LHS works normally.<br>
        <br>
        I have connected the RHS wires of the Stop light relay as per
        the Workshop manual trouble shooting guide and there is no
        change.<br>
        <br>
        I am at a lost at to what the problem is and the appropriate
        solution.<br>
        <br>
        As all ways any help would be appreciated.<br>
        <br>
        Regards<br>
        <br>
        John Rowe<br>
        Perth<br>
        Western Australia<br>
        1959 3000 BT7<br>
      </font> <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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