Subject: Re: [Healeys] get a load of this one..

From: Alan Seigrist <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 21:58:30 +0800

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I felt his post, whilst political, certainly revolved around classic cars
and wasn't just some Trump/Sanders rant.  I didn't see any profanity
either.  He apologized, maybe cut him a teeny weeny bit of slack.

Speaking of California cars and politics - why is it that no one in
California seems to care that the State of California took 24 years to
build the East Bay span of the Bay Bridge... A job that would have taken
only 24 to 36 months in the rest of the US & world?  Not a single breath or
sneeze about corruption in California, amazing!  Maybe it would be good if
more people did speak up.

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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 06:15:39 -0800

We care.  And, don't get us started on the fact that when the span was 
completed, it was defective.   I'm not aware of any (proven) corruption, 
just the usual bureaucratic inertia and backroom dealing you find 
everywhere.  There is a lot of obstructionism from greenies, who would 
if they could do away with cars and roads altogether (a lot of our roads 
are being put on 'diets,' where ato lanes are replaced by bike paths 
wide enough to drive a semi through).

To answer your question, Alan, it just goes along with the fact the the 
US is no longer a 'can do' nation.  We're overextended--militarily, 
economically, you name it--and one gets the feeling our citizens are 
just hanging in, getting what we can while we can, and aren't interested 
in accomplishing 'big things,' or even just fixing what we have.  IIRC, 
you live in or near China, which has a different model and much more 
concentrated political control; it will be interesting to see if that 
model works better in the long run (my bet: it won't).

And, while the problems are often national, California gets the bulk of 
the heat because we're usually in the forefront of all change, for 
better or worse.

Don't worry, we can handle it.

Cheers,
Bob

On 2/15/2016 5:34 AM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
> I felt his post, whilst political, certainly revolved around 
> classic cars and wasn't just some Trump/Sanders rant.  I didn't see 
> any profanity either.  He apologized, maybe cut him a teeny weeny bit 
> of slack.
>
> build the East Bay span of the Bay Bridge... A job that would have 
> taken only 24 to 36 months in the rest of the US & world?  Not a 
> single breath or sneeze about corruption in California, amazing!  
> Maybe it would be good if more people did speak up.
>
>

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From: "J. Armour" <[email-masked]>
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Can someone remind me why Healeys were not able to be sold in the USA? Did
this issue of 'safety regulation' ( obviously for our own good so we were
not all killed ) not start out in California?
Am I being politically incorrect or just stating history
Joe

Mike wrote;

Subject:  Re: [Healeys] get a load of this one..

Sorry. Used to the Spridgets list where we can say anything we want.
Mike

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US smog and bumper height regulations.

Mr. Ira Erbs
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<p dir=3D"ltr">US smog and bumper height regulations.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
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sold in the USA? Did this issue of &#39;safety regulation&#39; ( obviously =
for our own good so we were not all killed ) not start out in California?</=
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In the late sixties compulsory crash tests, amongst others, were 
introduced all over the world which meant that some cars with a separate 
chassis could not comply or economically made to comply with the set 
standards. Also the old engine design did not allow better emission 
values together with sufficient power. It would have meant a complete 
redesign. This led to the intended successor of the Austin Healey 3000, 
the Healey designed Jensen-Healey, based on Vauxhall Viva HC/GM 
underpinnings, which was seriously compromised by the hurry of Kjell 
Qvale (the main importer of Austin-Healey in the USA, who had bought 
Jensen in the late sixties as they were the builders of the bodies and 
frames of the big Austin-Healey's) to put the car in production.
Sadly they f****d up in a big way because the Jensen Healey MKI 
(1972-1973) was very underdeveloped at the introduction as the Lotus 
engine showed serious short comings and the build quality was atrocious. 
The much better finished MkII introduced in late 1973 dealt with most of 
the earlier short comings and was a good piece of kit. By then it was 
however to late to restore confidence to the public and the story ended 
in 1975/1976.
Lighter at 970kg, than the big Healey with similar power (144HP, which 
could simply be increased to around 160HP and if you went all the way to 
250+HP), it had better performance, comfort, ride, road holding/handling 
and had very low emission values.
The looks are a bit of an acquired taste to put it mildly, the interior 
is bland, but the under bonnet looks are terrific. It was the sole 
reason I bought my Jensen-Healey MkII.
Kees Oudesluijs

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">In the late sixties compulsory crash
      tests, amongst others, were introduced all over the world which
      meant that some cars with a separate chassis could not comply or
      economically made to comply with the set standards. Also the old
      engine design did not allow better emission values together with
      sufficient power. It would have meant a complete redesign. This
      led to the intended successor of the Austin Healey 3000, the
      Healey designed Jensen-Healey, based on Vauxhall Viva HC/GM
      underpinnings, which was seriously compromised by the hurry of
      Kjell Qvale (the main importer of Austin-Healey in the USA, who
      had bought Jensen in the late sixties as they were the builders of
      the bodies and frames of the big Austin-Healey's) to put the car
      in production.<br>
      Sadly they f****d up in a big way because the Jensen Healey MKI
      (1972-1973) was very underdeveloped at the introduction as the
      Lotus engine showed serious short comings and the build quality
      was atrocious. The much better finished MkII introduced in late
      1973 dealt with most of the earlier short comings and was a good
      piece of kit. By then it was however to late to restore confidence
      to the public and the story ended in 1975/1976.<br>
      Lighter at 970kg, than the big Healey with similar power (144HP,
      which could simply be increased to around 160HP and if you went
      all the way to 250+HP), it had better performance, comfort, ride,
      road holding/handling and had very low emission values.<br>
      The looks are a bit of an acquired taste to put it mildly, the
      interior is bland, but the under bonnet looks are terrific. It was
      the sole reason I bought my Jensen-Healey MkII.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
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        our own good so we were not all killed ) not start out in
        California?</div>
      <div>Am I being politically incorrect or just stating history</div>
      <div>Joe</div>
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was nasty old BL that killed the Healey
rather than the safety and emission requirements.  From what I've read, the
Healey 4000 would have met the US requirements for 1968 (
http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/ah4000.htm) but it was the decision to badge
engineer the MGC in favor of a new Healey that was the death knell.  MGBs
managed to soldier on for several years after 1967 with the same chrome
bumpers.  That's not to say the Healey that we know and love could've
soldiered on forever in light of more stringent US standards, just that I
don't think they were the immediate cause of death.

Happy Healeying,
Rick Neville

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but it was nasty old BL that =
killed the Healey rather than the safety and emission requirements.=C2=A0 F=
rom what I&#39;ve read, the Healey 4000 would have met the US requirements =
for 1968 (<a href=3D"http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/ah4000.htm">http://www.e=
wilkins.com/wilko/ah4000.htm</a>) but it was the decision to badge engineer=
 the MGC in favor of a new Healey that was the death knell.=C2=A0 MGBs mana=
ged to soldier on for several years after 1967 with the same chrome bumpers=
.=C2=A0 That&#39;s not to say the Healey that we know and love could&#39;ve=
 soldiered on forever in light of more stringent US standards, just that I =
don&#39;t think they were the immediate cause of death.<div><br></div><div>=
Happy Healeying,</div><div>Rick Neville</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 1:43 AM, i erbs <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
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quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">US smog and bumper height regulations.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 20, 2016 2:35 AM, &quot;J. Armour&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">sebring3000=
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ft:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;=
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div>Can someone remind me why Healeys were=
 not able to be sold in the USA? Did this issue of &#39;safety regulation&#=
39; ( obviously for our own good so we were not all killed ) not start out =
in California?</div><div>Am I being politically incorrect or just stating h=
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I think it's a bit more complicated.=20
Austin and Morris internal rivalries eventually killed the BMC C series engi=
ne. The C series should have continued development along the Healey Westlake=
 Rally path, alloy head etc (the path Datsun went down with the Z cars and s=
edan engines) Instead, BMC committed to the financial disaster that was the M=
GC 3 litre, and then distracted itself with the 4 litre RR engine.
See http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/cars/mg-cars/mgb/engines-c-series/ for a=
 great overview.=20
So the engine strategy was going down the toilet....
Meanwhile, Ralph Nader destroyed the body / chassis designs & aesthetics and=
 effectively threatened sales into the largest single export market without a=
 huge redesign.=20
I think by the time the British Leyland Merger  came along, Austin was just a=
ll too hard....=20
Best
Chris=20
Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Feb 2016, at 12:25 PM, HealeyRick <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was nasty old BL that killed the Healey ra=
ther than the safety and emission requirements.  =46rom what I've read, the H=
ealey 4000 would have met the US requirements for 1968 (http://www.ewilkins.=
com/wilko/ah4000.htm) but it was the decision to badge engineer the MGC in f=
avor of a new Healey that was the death knell.  MGBs managed to soldier on f=
or several years after 1967 with the same chrome bumpers.  That's not to say=
 the Healey that we know and love could've soldiered on forever in light of m=
ore stringent US standards, just that I don't think they were the immediate c=
ause of death.
>>> Can someone remind me why Healeys were not able to be sold in the USA? D=
id this issue of 'safety regulation' ( obviously for our own good so we were=
 not all killed ) not start out in California?
>>> Am I being politically incorrect or just stating history

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I think it's a bit more complicated.&n=
bsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Austin and Morris internal rivalrie=
s eventually killed the BMC C series engine. The C series should have contin=
ued development along the Healey Westlake Rally path, alloy head etc (the pa=
th Datsun went down with the Z cars and sedan engines) Instead, BMC committe=
d to the financial disaster that was the MGC 3 litre, and then distracted it=
self with the 4 litre RR engine.</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">See&nbs=
p;<a href=3D"http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/cars/mg-cars/mgb/engines-c-seri=
es/">http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/cars/mg-cars/mgb/engines-c-series/</a> f=
or a great overview.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">So the engine=
 strategy was going down the toilet....</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">=
Meanwhile, Ralph Nader destroyed the body / chassis designs &amp; aesthetics=
 and effectively threatened sales into the largest single export market with=
out a huge redesign.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">I think by th=
e time the British Leyland Merger &nbsp;came along, Austin was just all too h=
ard....&nbsp;<br>Best</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Chris&nbsp;<br>Sen=
t from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 21 Feb 2016, at 12:25 PM, HealeyRick &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Correct me if I'm wrong=
, but it was nasty old BL that killed the Healey rather than the safety and e=
mission requirements.&nbsp; =46rom what I've read, the Healey 4000 would hav=
e met the US requirements for 1968 (<a href=3D"http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko=
/ah4000.htm">http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/ah4000.htm</a>) but it was the de=
cision to badge engineer the MGC in favor of a new Healey that was the death=
 knell.&nbsp; MGBs managed to soldier on for several years after 1967 with t=
he same chrome bumpers.&nbsp; That's not to say the Healey that we know and l=
ove could've soldiered on forever in light of more stringent US standards, j=
ust that I don't think they were the immediate cause of death.<div><br></div=
><div>Happy Healeying,</div><div>Rick Neville</div></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 1:43 AM, i er=
bs <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">US smog and bumper height regulations.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
Portland,OR</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 20, 2016 2:35 AM, "J. Armour" &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div sty=
le=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calib=
ri,sans-serif"><div>Can someone remind me why Healeys were not able to be so=
ld in the USA? Did this issue of 'safety regulation' ( obviously for our own=
 good so we were not all killed ) not start out in California?</div><div>Am I=
 being politically incorrect or just stating history</div><div>Joe</div><div=
><br></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></=
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BL wanted to name the mgc A Healey, but Donald would have none of that. And
yes I think the wider,  more plush Healey 4000 would have sold better than
the slug mgc. Btw, both came with aotumatic transmission options. I saw a

Mr. Ira Erbs
Portland,OR

Happy Healeying,
Rick Neville

>> Sorry. Used to the Spridgets list where we can say anything we want.

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<p dir=3D"ltr">BL wanted to name the mgc A Healey, but Donald would have no=
ne of that. And yes I think the wider,=C2=A0 more plush Healey 4000 would h=
ave sold better than the slug mgc. Btw, both came with aotumatic transmissi=
on options. I saw a</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
Portland,OR</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quot&lt;blockquote class=3D" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Correct me i=
f I&#39;m wrong, but it was nasty old BL that killed the Healey rather than=
 the safety and emission requirements.=C2=A0 From what I&#39;ve read, the H=
ealey 4000 would have met the US requirements for 1968 (<a href=3D"http://w=
ww.ewilkins.com/wilko/ah4000.htm" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ewilkins.com=
/wilko/ah4000.htm</a>) but it was the decision to badge engineer the MGC in=
 favor of a new Healey that was the death knell.=C2=A0 MGBs managed to sold=
ier on for several years after 1967 with the same chrome bumpers.=C2=A0 Tha=
t&#39;s not to say the Healey that we know and love could&#39;ve soldiered =
on forever in light of more stringent US standards, just that I don&#39;t t=
hink they were the immediate cause of death.<div><br></div><div>Happy Heale=
ying,</div><div>Rick Neville</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 1:43 AM, i erbs <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">eyera300=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=
=3D"ltr">US smog and bumper height regulations.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
Portland,OR</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 20, 2016 2:35 AM, &quot;J. Armour&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">sebring3000=
@bigpond.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;=
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div>Can someone remind me why Healeys were=
 not able to be sold in the USA? Did this issue of &#39;safety regulation&#=
39; ( obviously for our own good so we were not all killed ) not start out =
in California?</div><div>Am I being politically incorrect or just stating h=
istory</div><div>Joe</div><div><br></div><span><div style=3D"font-family:Ca=
libri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;=
BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0=
in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt"><=
b>Mike wrote;</b></div></span><div><br></div><span><div style=3D"font-famil=
y:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium n=
one;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIG=
HT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3p=
t"><b><br></b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [Healey=
s] get a load of this one..<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>
   =20
<div>Sorry. Used to the Spridgets list where we can say anything we want.</=
div><div>Mike</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></span></div>
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From: HealeyRick <[email-masked]>
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Just got a chance to read the link you posted, Chris.  Very interesting,
thanks for posting.  And you're correct, the handwriting was already on the
wall under BMC, not BL.

Happy Healeying,
Rick Neville

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Chris Dimmock <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I think it's a bit more complicated.
> Austin and Morris internal rivalries eventually killed the BMC C series
> engine. The C series should have continued development along the Healey
> Westlake Rally path, alloy head etc (the path Datsun went down with the Z
> cars and sedan engines) Instead, BMC committed to the financial disaster
> that was the MGC 3 litre, and then distracted itself with the 4 litre RR
> engine.
> See http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/cars/mg-cars/mgb/engines-c-series/
> for a great overview.
> Meanwhile, Ralph Nader destroyed the body / chassis designs & aesthetics
> and effectively threatened sales into the largest single export market
> without a huge redesign.
> I think by the time the British Leyland Merger  came along, Austin was
> just all too hard....
> Best
> Chris
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/ah4000.htm) but it was the decision to
> badge engineer the MGC in favor of a new Healey that was the death knell.
> MGBs managed to soldier on for several years after 1967 with the same
> chrome bumpers.  That's not to say the Healey that we know and love
> could've soldiered on forever in light of more stringent US standards, just
> that I don't think they were the immediate cause of death.
>
> Happy Healeying,
> Rick Neville
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Just got a chance to read the link you posted, Chris.=C2=
=A0 Very interesting, thanks for posting.=C2=A0 And you&#39;re correct, the=
 handwriting was already on the wall under BMC, not BL. =C2=A0<div><br></di=
v><div>Happy Healeying,</div><div>Rick Neville</div></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 4:28 PM, C=
hris Dimmock <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>I think it&#39;s a bit mor=
e complicated.=C2=A0</div><div>Austin and Morris internal rivalries eventua=
lly killed the BMC C series engine. The C series should have continued deve=
lopment along the Healey Westlake Rally path, alloy head etc (the path Dats=
un went down with the Z cars and sedan engines) Instead, BMC committed to t=
he financial disaster that was the MGC 3 litre, and then distracted itself =
with the 4 litre RR engine.</div><div>See=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.aronli=
ne.co.uk/blogs/cars/mg-cars/mgb/engines-c-series/" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/cars/mg-cars/mgb/engines-c-series/</a> for a grea=
t overview.=C2=A0</div><div>So the engine strategy was going down the toile=
t....</div><div>Meanwhile, Ralph Nader destroyed the body / chassis designs=
 &amp; aesthetics and effectively threatened sales into the largest single =
export market without a huge redesign.=C2=A0</div><div>I think by the time =
the British Leyland Merger =C2=A0came along, Austin was just all too hard..=
..=C2=A0<br>Best</div><div>Chris=C2=A0<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br=
>On 21 Feb 2016, at 12:25 PM, HealeyRick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but=
 it was nasty old BL that killed the Healey rather than the safety and emis=
sion requirements.=C2=A0 From what I&#39;ve read, the Healey 4000 would hav=
e met the US requirements for 1968 (<a href=3D"http://www.ewilkins.com/wilk=
o/ah4000.htm" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/ah4000.htm</a=
>) but it was the decision to badge engineer the MGC in favor of a new Heal=
ey that was the death knell.=C2=A0 MGBs managed to soldier on for several y=
ears after 1967 with the same chrome bumpers.=C2=A0 That&#39;s not to say t=
he Healey that we know and love could&#39;ve soldiered on forever in light =
of more stringent US standards, just that I don&#39;t think they were the i=
mmediate cause of death.<div><br></div><div>Happy Healeying,</div><div>Rick=
 Neville</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 1:43 AM, i erbs <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">US smog and =
bumper height regulations.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
Portland,OR</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 20, 2016 2:35 AM, &quot;J. Armour&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">sebring3000=
@bigpond.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;=
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div>Can someone remind me why Healeys were=
 not able to be sold in the USA? Did this issue of &#39;safety regulation&#=
39; ( obviously for our own good so we were not all killed ) not start out =
in California?</div><div>Am I being politically incorrect or just stating h=
istory</div><div>Joe</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></blockqu=
ote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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From: Bob Haskell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:07:35 -0500

I was going to ask if anyone had read the book "British Leyland Motor 
Corporation 1968-2005: The Story from Inside".  But I would guess that 
the decision to stop production of the big Healey took place before the 
time period of that book.

Bob Haskell
AHCA 3000 Mk I registrar
http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php

On 02/21/2016 04:15 PM, HealeyRick wrote:
> thanks for posting.  And you're correct, the handwriting was already on
> the wall under BMC, not BL.
>
> Happy Healeying,
> Rick Neville
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Chris Dimmock <[email-masked]
>
>     Austin and Morris internal rivalries eventually killed the BMC C
>     series engine. The C series should have continued development along
>     the Healey Westlake Rally path, alloy head etc (the path Datsun went
>     down with the Z cars and sedan engines) Instead, BMC committed to
>     the financial disaster that was the MGC 3 litre, and then distracted
>     itself with the 4 litre RR engine.
>     See
>     http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/cars/mg-cars/mgb/engines-c-series/
>     for a great overview.
>     Meanwhile, Ralph Nader destroyed the body / chassis designs &
>     aesthetics and effectively threatened sales into the largest single
>     export market without a huge redesign.
>     I think by the time the British Leyland Merger  came along, Austin
>     was just all too hard....
>     Best
>     Chris
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>     On 21 Feb 2016, at 12:25 PM, HealeyRick <[email-masked]
>
>>     Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was nasty old BL that killed the
>>     Healey rather than the safety and emission requirements.  From
>>     what I've read, the Healey 4000 would have met the US requirements
>>     for 1968 (http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/ah4000.htm) but it was the
>>     decision to badge engineer the MGC in favor of a new Healey that
>>     was the death knell.  MGBs managed to soldier on for several years
>>     after 1967 with the same chrome bumpers.  That's not to say the
>>     Healey that we know and love could've soldiered on forever in
>>     light of more stringent US standards, just that I don't think they
>>     were the immediate cause of death.
>>
>>     Happy Healeying,
>>     Rick Neville
>>
>>     On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 1:43 AM, i erbs <[email-masked]
>>
>>         On Feb 20, 2016 2:35 AM, "J. Armour" <[email-masked]
>>
>>             Can someone remind me why Healeys were not able to be sold
>>             in the USA? Did this issue of 'safety regulation' (
>>             obviously for our own good so we were not all killed ) not
>>             start out in California?
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 08:19:40 -0800

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I still think the 4000 would have been a helluva car

Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:27 AM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Also, the evolution of the Austin-Healey we all know & love had good long
> run but was nearing the end of its popularity.  A major redesign would have
> been necessary. Because it is rarely successful, I am glad they didn't
> really try.
> Gary Hodson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HealeyRick <[email-masked]>
> To: i erbs <[email-masked]>
> Cc: Ahealey help <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 20, 2016 7:43 pm

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I still think the 4000 would have been a helluva car</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signa=
ture"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>=
Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,=
serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0_______</span><br style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,seri=
f"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</span><br style=3D"font-famil=
y:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times Ne=
w Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (____________________=
_____)</span></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and d=
isk brakes</div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:27 AM,  <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">wartho=
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<div>Also, the evolution of the Austin-Healey we all know &amp; love had go=
od long run but was nearing the end of its popularity.=C2=A0 A major redesi=
gn would have been necessary. Because it is rarely successful, I am glad th=
ey didn&#39;t really try.=C2=A0</div>

<div>Gary Hodson</div>

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From: HealeyRick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: i erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">eye=
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Cc: Ahealey help &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Sat, Feb 20, 2016 7:43 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] get a load of this one..<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but it was nasty old BL that =
killed the Healey rather than the safety and emission requirements.=C2=A0 F=
rom what I&#39;ve read, the Healey 4000 would have met the US requirements =
for 1968 (<a href=3D"http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/ah4000.htm" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/ah4000.htm</a>) but it was the decision=
 to badge engineer the MGC in favor of a new Healey that was the death knel=
l.=C2=A0 MGBs managed to soldier on for several years after 1967 with the s=
ame chrome bumpers.=C2=A0 That&#39;s not to say the Healey that we know and=
 love could&#39;ve soldiered on forever in light of more stringent US stand=
ards, just that I don&#39;t think they were the immediate cause of death.
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<div>Happy Healeying,</div>

<div>Rick Neville</div>
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From: richard mayor <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:49:52 -0800

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I had the opportunity to sit in the driver's seat of the 4000 in the Healey
Museum when I visited a couple of years ago.  It's definitely a more
luxurious experience.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 8:19 AM, i erbs <[email-masked]> wrote:

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he 4000 in the Healey Museum when I visited a couple of years ago.=C2=A0 It=
&#39;s definitely a more luxurious experience. <br></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 8:19 AM, i =
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gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I still think the 4000 would have been a helluva=
 car</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><div dir=
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od long run but was nearing the end of its popularity.=C2=A0 A major redesi=
gn would have been necessary. Because it is rarely successful, I am glad th=
ey didn&#39;t really try.=C2=A0</div>

<div>Gary Hodson</div>

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<div>Rick Neville</div>
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From: Wilko2 <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:59:55 -0800

As long as there was an XKE, there was no place in the BMC/BL lineup for a 4 liter Healey.

On Feb 28, 2016, at 4:49 PM, richard mayor wrote:

> I had the opportunity to sit in the driver's seat of the 4000 in the Healey Museum when I visited a couple of years ago.  It's definitely a more luxurious experience. 

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