Subject: Re: [Healeys] Vanishing Brake Fluid

From: i erbs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:50:46 -0800

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Have you checked the carpet under where your pedal pushrod goes into the
master cyl?

Mr. Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
On Feb 27, 2016 1:36 PM, "R. Price Lindsay" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> After finding my brake reservoir empty of fluid a few months ago and
> checking all the lines and connections which were sound, I sent my servo =
to
> be rebuilt.  The repair shop told me there was fuel in the servo causing
> the gaskets to dry out and leak.  OK, they rebuilt it, gave me a check
> valve, sent it back, I installed it with the new valve and I bled the
> system.  I=E2=80=99ve had it out on a few local runs, maybe 50 miles or s=
o.  Oddly,
> on my last trip, I smelled something like anti freeze escaping but the
> system is full.
>
> I just checked the brake reservoir and it=E2=80=99s about 20% down.  So I
> rechecked all of the lines and connections and I couldn=E2=80=99t find an=
y leaks -
> everything is dry.
>
> Should I expect some loss of fluid when the servo is newly installed, the
> system is fully bled and I have a strong petal?  Is there a =E2=80=9Cmyst=
erious
> place=E2=80=9D that brake fluid goes not to be detected?  I=E2=80=99ve he=
ard that the
> master cylinder could cause such an issue but I don=E2=80=99t see any flu=
id around
> it or the connections and how much fluid could it hold?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Price Lindsay
> 67 BJ8
>
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Have you checked the carpet under where your pedal pushrod g=
oes into the master cyl?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
Portland,OR</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 27, 2016 1:36 PM, &quot;R. Price Lindsay&=
quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"w=
ord-wrap:break-word">After finding my brake reservoir empty of fluid a few =
months ago and checking all the lines and connections which were sound, I s=
ent my servo to be rebuilt.=C2=A0 The repair shop told me there was fuel in=
 the servo causing the gaskets to dry out and leak.=C2=A0 OK, they rebuilt =
it, gave me a check valve, sent it back, I installed it with the new valve =
and I bled the system.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve had it out on a few local runs, m=
aybe 50 miles or so.=C2=A0 Oddly, on my last trip, I smelled something like=
 anti freeze escaping but the system is full. =C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I j=
ust checked the brake reservoir and it=E2=80=99s about 20% down.=C2=A0 So I=
 rechecked all of the lines and connections and I couldn=E2=80=99t find any=
 leaks - everything is dry.<div><div><br></div><div>Should I expect some lo=
ss of fluid when the servo is newly installed, the system is fully bled and=
 I have a strong petal?=C2=A0 Is there a =E2=80=9Cmysterious place=E2=80=9D=
 that brake fluid goes not to be detected?=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve heard that th=
e master cylinder could cause such an issue but I don=E2=80=99t see any flu=
id around it or the connections and how much fluid could it hold?</div><div=
><br></div><div>Thank you for your help.<br><div>
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 18:04:13 -0500

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Hi Price,
I'm pretty sure that your servo is still leaking internally. The fluid
leaks past the servo cylinder seal and into the vacuum chamber from whence
it eventually finds its way to the inlet manifold and is burned by the
engine and comes out the exhaust pipe.
To check loosen a few of the nuts and bolts on the bottom of the servo
chest and pry the cover back a little keeping the gasket  against the
cover. If fluid leaks out retain it and add a few drops of water to it. If
the that fluid turns milky around the water it is brake fluid and the servo
seals are leaking.
Hope that helps.

Michael S
BN1 #174

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to
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Price,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I&#39=
;m pretty sure that your servo is still leaking internally. The fluid leaks=
 past the servo cylinder seal and into the vacuum chamber from whence it ev=
entually finds its way to the inlet manifold and is burned by the engine an=
d comes out the exhaust pipe.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">To check loosen a=
 few of the nuts and bolts on the bottom of the servo chest and pry the cov=
er back a little keeping the gasket=C2=A0 against the cover. If fluid leaks=
 out retain it and add a few drops of water to it. If the that fluid turns =
milky around the water it is brake fluid and the servo seals are leaking. <=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:small">Hope that helps.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Mi=
chael S <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic s=
ans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">BN1 #174<br></div></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 4:36 PM, =
R. Price Lindsay <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">After finding my brak=
e reservoir empty of fluid a few months ago and checking all the lines and =
connections which were sound, I sent my servo to be rebuilt.=C2=A0 The repa=
ir shop told me there was fuel in the servo causing the gaskets to dry out =
and leak.=C2=A0 OK, they rebuilt it, gave me a check valve, sent it back, I=
 installed it with the new valve and I bled the system.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve =
had it out on a few local runs, maybe 50 miles or so.=C2=A0 Oddly, on my la=
st trip, I smelled something like anti freeze escaping but the system is fu=
ll. =C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I just checked the brake reservoir and it=E2=
=80=99s about 20% down.=C2=A0 So I rechecked all of the lines and connectio=
ns and I couldn=E2=80=99t find any leaks - everything is dry.<div><div><br>=
</div><div>Should I expect some loss of fluid when the servo is newly insta=
lled, the system is fully bled and I have a strong petal?=C2=A0 Is there a =
=E2=80=9Cmysterious place=E2=80=9D that brake fluid goes not to be detected=
?=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve heard that the master cylinder could cause such an iss=
ue but I don=E2=80=99t see any fluid around it or the connections and how m=
uch fluid could it hold?</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for your help.<=
br><div>
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From: Price Lindsay <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 18:26:24 -0500

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Ira - I think you may have hit the nail on the head!  I pulled the carpet ba=
ck and there the moisture was!!  I'll replace the unit and hopefully my prob=
lem will be solved.=20

Thank you, thank you!!!

Price Lindsay

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2016, at 6:08 PM, R. Price Lindsay <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Thanks Ira.  I=E2=80=99ll look at that in the next day or two.
>=20
> Price Lindsay
>=20
> 239-596-8518 (Home)
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>> On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:50 PM, i erbs <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>> Have you checked the carpet under where your pedal pushrod goes into the m=
aster cyl?
>>=20
>>=20
>>> After finding my brake reservoir empty of fluid a few months ago and che=
cking all the lines and connections which were sound, I sent my servo to be r=
ebuilt.  The repair shop told me there was fuel in the servo causing the gas=
kets to dry out and leak.  OK, they rebuilt it, gave me a check valve, sent i=
t back, I installed it with the new valve and I bled the system.  I=E2=80=99=
ve had it out on a few local runs, maybe 50 miles or so.  Oddly, on my last t=
rip, I smelled something like anti freeze escaping but the system is full. =20=

>>>=20
>>> I just checked the brake reservoir and it=E2=80=99s about 20% down.  So I=
 rechecked all of the lines and connections and I couldn=E2=80=99t find any l=
eaks - everything is dry.
>>>=20
>>> Should I expect some loss of fluid when the servo is newly installed, th=
e system is fully bled and I have a strong petal?  Is there a =E2=80=9Cmyste=
rious place=E2=80=9D that brake fluid goes not to be detected?  I=E2=80=99ve=
 heard that the master cylinder could cause such an issue but I don=E2=80=99=
t see any fluid around it or the connections and how much fluid could it hol=
d?
>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Ira - I think you may have hit the nai=
l on the head! &nbsp;I pulled the carpet back and there the moisture was!! &=
nbsp;I'll replace the unit and hopefully my problem will be solved.&nbsp;</d=
iv><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">T=
hank you, thank you!!!<br><br>Price Lindsay<div><div><br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div></div><div><br>On Feb 27, 2016, at 6:0=
8 PM, R. Price Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">050.rpl@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-=
equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8">Thanks Ira. &nb=
sp;I=E2=80=99ll look at that in the next day or two.<br class=3D""><div appl=
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""><br class=3D"">239-596-8518 (Home)<br class=3D"">630-841-6300 (Cell)<br c=
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<br class=3D""><div style=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div cla=
ss=3D"">On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:50 PM, i erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@=
gmail.com" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"A=
pple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><p dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Have you=
 checked the carpet under where your pedal pushrod goes into the master cyl?=
</p><p dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Mr. Ira Erbs<br class=3D"">
Portland,OR</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 27, 2016 1:36 PM, "R. Price Lindsay" &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br type=3D"attribution" class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div st=
yle=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"">After finding my brake reservoir emp=
ty of fluid a few months ago and checking all the lines and connections whic=
h were sound, I sent my servo to be rebuilt.&nbsp; The repair shop told me t=
here was fuel in the servo causing the gaskets to dry out and leak.&nbsp; OK=
, they rebuilt it, gave me a check valve, sent it back, I installed it with t=
he new valve and I bled the system.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve had it out on a few l=
ocal runs, maybe 50 miles or so.&nbsp; Oddly, on my last trip, I smelled som=
ething like anti freeze escaping but the system is full. &nbsp;<div class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I just checked the brake reservoir a=
nd it=E2=80=99s about 20% down.&nbsp; So I rechecked all of the lines and co=
nnections and I couldn=E2=80=99t find any leaks - everything is dry.<div cla=
ss=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Should I expect=
 some loss of fluid when the servo is newly installed, the system is fully b=
led and I have a strong petal?&nbsp; Is there a =E2=80=9Cmysterious place=E2=
=80=9D that brake fluid goes not to be detected?&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve heard th=
at the master cylinder could cause such an issue but I don=E2=80=99t see any=
 fluid around it or the connections and how much fluid could it hold?</div><=
div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thank you for your help.=
<br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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Always glad to help. Be sure you get the mc for servo assistance cars.
Cheers

Mr. Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
On Feb 27, 2016 3:26 PM, "Price Lindsay" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Ira - I think you may have hit the nail on the head!  I pulled the carpet
> back and there the moisture was!!  I'll replace the unit and hopefully my
> problem will be solved.
>
> Thank you, thank you!!!
>
> Price Lindsay
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> checking all the lines and connections which were sound, I sent my servo=
 to
>> system.  I=E2=80=99ve had it out on a few local runs, maybe 50 miles or =
so.  Oddly,
>> I just checked the brake reservoir and it=E2=80=99s about 20% down.  So =
I
>> rechecked all of the lines and connections and I couldn=E2=80=99t find a=
ny leaks -
>> Should I expect some loss of fluid when the servo is newly installed, th=
e
>> system is fully bled and I have a strong petal?  Is there a =E2=80=9Cmys=
terious
>> place=E2=80=9D that brake fluid goes not to be detected?  I=E2=80=99ve h=
eard that the
>> master cylinder could cause such an issue but I don=E2=80=99t see any fl=
uid around
>> it or the connections and how much fluid could it hold?

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<p dir=3D"ltr">Always glad to help. Be sure you get the mc for servo assist=
ance cars.<br>
Cheers</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
Portland,OR</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 27, 2016 3:26 PM, &quot;Price Lindsay&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
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<div>Ira - I think you may have hit the nail on the head!=C2=A0 I pulled th=
e carpet back and there the moisture was!!=C2=A0 I&#39;ll replace the unit =
and hopefully my problem will be solved.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Tha=
nk you, thank you!!!<br><br>Price Lindsay<div><div><br></div><div><br></div=
><div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div></div><div><br>On Feb 27, 2016, at 6:0=
8 PM, R. Price Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
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te"><div>Thanks Ira.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll look at that in the next day or two=
.<br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:50 PM, i erbs=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">eyera3000@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><p dir=3D"ltr">Have you checked the car=
pet under where your pedal pushrod goes into the master cyl?</p><p dir=3D"l=
tr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
Portland,OR</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 27, 2016 1:36 PM, &quot;R. Price Lindsay&=
quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">050.rpl@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">After finding my brake reservoir emp=
ty of fluid a few months ago and checking all the lines and connections whi=
ch were sound, I sent my servo to be rebuilt.=C2=A0 The repair shop told me=
 there was fuel in the servo causing the gaskets to dry out and leak.=C2=A0=
 OK, they rebuilt it, gave me a check valve, sent it back, I installed it w=
ith the new valve and I bled the system.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve had it out on a=
 few local runs, maybe 50 miles or so.=C2=A0 Oddly, on my last trip, I smel=
led something like anti freeze escaping but the system is full. =C2=A0<div>=
<br></div><div>I just checked the brake reservoir and it=E2=80=99s about 20=
% down.=C2=A0 So I rechecked all of the lines and connections and I couldn=
=E2=80=99t find any leaks - everything is dry.<div><div><br></div><div>Shou=
ld I expect some loss of fluid when the servo is newly installed, the syste=
m is fully bled and I have a strong petal?=C2=A0 Is there a =E2=80=9Cmyster=
ious place=E2=80=9D that brake fluid goes not to be detected?=C2=A0 I=E2=80=
=99ve heard that the master cylinder could cause such an issue but I don=E2=
=80=99t see any fluid around it or the connections and how much fluid could=
 it hold?</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for your help.<br><div>
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Check the clutch master too. Pull the rubber cap back and check for
moisture

Mr. Ira Erbs
Portland,OR

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