Subject: Re: [Fot] My Video from the Kastner Cup

From: Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2025 10:03:17 +0200

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Cool racing!

=20

What would disturb me a lot is the left pointing of the steering wheel.

And save your engine on down shifts=E2=80=A6..far too high revs =
bothering the engine without any need.

=20

Cheers

Chris

=20

From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Bob Kramer via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2025 4:32 AM
To: Fot <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Fot] My Video from the Kastner Cup

=20

I've finally got my video uploaded from the Kastner Cup. Never having =
been to Lime Rock previously I foolishly skipped the Test and Tune =
session and I tried to shorten the learning curve. I think I started =
24th and ended up 15th, so you'll see me passing and being passed!

=20

https://youtu.be/Wria1llOAJ8?si=3DMattiUd2LaHKUse0

=20

Bob Kramer

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Cool racing!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>What would disturb me =
a lot is the left pointing of the steering =
wheel.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>And save your engine on down =
shifts=E2=80=A6..far too high revs bothering the engine without any =
need.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Fot =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Kramer via =
Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2025 4:32 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] My Video from =
the Kastner Cup<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I've =
finally got my video uploaded&nbsp;from the Kastner Cup. Never having =
been to Lime Rock previously I foolishly skipped the Test and Tune =
session and I tried to shorten the learning curve. I think I started =
24th and ended up 15th, so you'll see me passing and being =
passed!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://youtu.be/Wria1llOAJ8?si=3DMattiUd2LaHKUse0">https://youtu=
.be/Wria1llOAJ8?si=3DMattiUd2LaHKUse0</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bob =
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From: Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2025 08:01:42 -0500

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I have no issues with the steering wheel so I've never fixed it, but I look
at it every time I sit in the car and think I should. I tend to use the
engine to help braking way too much, and after this experience at Lime
Rock, and watching myself screw up,  I spent my next racing weekend at
Eagles Canyon focusing on not using engine braking, with some success. Old
habits die hard.

I just can't get myself to trust the brakes on this car. The pulsating I
get through the front pads is pretty extreme so I find myself overreacting.
I should just give in and replace the heavy B Series calipers with later
TR6 ones, but the car is so original I have kept it that way.

After the Lime Rock weekend I looked at the brakes and should probably have
replaced the rotors but decided to get one more weekend out of them.  After
the ECR weekend, which is much harder on the brakes than LRP, I went
through the brakes. The Carbotech front pads had eaten through a third set
of rotors and they are still only halfway used up, and the rear shoe
friction materials were all beginning to crack. They must be made of
granite. I've got a set of Porterfields ordered to replace them.

All the best,
Bob

On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 3:03=E2=80=AFAM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> And save your engine on down shifts=E2=80=A6..far too high revs bothering=
 the
> engine without any need.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Bob Kramer via Fo=
t
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2025 4:32 AM
> *To:* Fot <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Fot] My Video from the Kastner Cup
>
>
>
> I've finally got my video uploaded from the Kastner Cup. Never having bee=
n
> to Lime Rock previously I foolishly skipped the Test and Tune session and=
 I
> tried to shorten the learning curve. I think I started 24th and ended up
> 15th, so you'll see me passing and being passed!
>
>
>

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think I should. I tend to use the engine to help braking way too much, and =
after this experience at Lime Rock, and watching myself screw up,=C2=A0 I s=
pent my next racing=C2=A0weekend at Eagles Canyon focusing on not using eng=
ine=C2=A0braking, with=C2=A0some success. Old habits die hard.<div><br></di=
v><div>I just can&#39;t get myself to trust the brakes on this car. The pul=
sating I get through the front pads is pretty extreme so I find myself=C2=
=A0overreacting. I should just give in and replace=C2=A0the heavy B Series =
calipers with later TR6 ones, but the car is so original I have kept it tha=
t way.<div><br></div><div>After the Lime Rock weekend I looked at the brake=
s and should probably have replaced the rotors but decided to get one more =
weekend out of them.=C2=A0 After the ECR weekend, which is much harder on t=
he=C2=A0brakes than LRP, I went through the brakes. The Carbotech front pad=
s had eaten through a third set of rotors and they are still only halfway u=
sed up, and the rear shoe friction materials were all beginning=C2=A0to cra=
ck. They must be made of granite. I&#39;ve got a set of Porterfields ordere=
d to replace them.=C2=A0</div></div><div><br></div><div>All the best,</div>=
<div>Bob</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 3:03=E2=80=AFAM=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv class=3D"msg-6098233439660510902"><div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-=
wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"m_-6098233439660510902WordSection1"><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:11pt">Cool racing!<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"fon=
t-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt">What would disturb me a lot is the left pointing of =
the steering wheel.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt">And save your engine on down shifts=E2=80=A6..far to=
o high revs bothering the engine without any need.<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">Cheers<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">C=
hris<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
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ng:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-s=
ize:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"DE" =
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Fot &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Kramer via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednes=
day, September 17, 2025 4:32 AM<br><b>To:</b> Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject=
:</b> [Fot] My Video from the Kastner Cup<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&#=
39;ve finally got my video uploaded=C2=A0from the Kastner Cup. Never having=
 been to Lime Rock previously I foolishly skipped the Test and Tune session=
 and I tried to shorten the learning curve. I think I started 24th and ende=
d up 15th, so you&#39;ll see me passing and being passed!<u></u><u></u></p>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://youtu.be/Wria1llOAJ8?si=3DMattiUd2LaHKUse0" t=
arget=3D"_blank">https://youtu.be/Wria1llOAJ8?si=3DMattiUd2LaHKUse0</a><u><=
/u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><di=
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From: Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2025 15:25:05 +0200

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Dear Bob,

=20

I know how hard is to work on bad habbits. I do this all the time =
myself.

=20

If I approach a corner I brake and short before turning in I shift down =
gears to be easy on the drivetrain and the engine and not unsettling the =
car.

See my mistake last year at Dijon when I damaged the IMSA TR8 when I =
unsettled the car on downshift in the rain on slicks and lost it.

=20

I use on the TR4 original calipers with the cheapest type brake disc =
from the Bastuck company. They last long.

As brake pad I use Pagid racing pads with RSL1 compund. I get along one =
season with a set of pads and about 8 seasons on the discs.

=20

Cheers

Chris

=20

From: Bob Kramer <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2025 3:02 PM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Fot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] My Video from the Kastner Cup

=20

I have no issues with the steering wheel so I've never fixed it, but I =
look at it every time I sit in the car and think I should. I tend to use =
the engine to help braking way too much, and after this experience at =
Lime Rock, and watching myself screw up,  I spent my next racing weekend =
at Eagles Canyon focusing on not using engine braking, with some =
success. Old habits die hard.

=20

I just can't get myself to trust the brakes on this car. The pulsating I =
get through the front pads is pretty extreme so I find myself =
overreacting. I should just give in and replace the heavy B Series =
calipers with later TR6 ones, but the car is so original I have kept it =
that way.

=20

After the Lime Rock weekend I looked at the brakes and should probably =
have replaced the rotors but decided to get one more weekend out of =
them.  After the ECR weekend, which is much harder on the brakes than =
LRP, I went through the brakes. The Carbotech front pads had eaten =
through a third set of rotors and they are still only halfway used up, =
and the rear shoe friction materials were all beginning to crack. They =
must be made of granite. I've got a set of Porterfields ordered to =
replace them.=20

=20

All the best,

Bob

=20

On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 3:03=E2=80=AFAM <[email-masked] =

Cool racing!

=20

=20

Cheers

Chris

=20

From: Fot <[email-masked] =
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2025 4:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] My Video from the Kastner Cup

=20

=20

=20

Bob Kramer

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style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Dear =
Bob,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I know how hard is to =
work on bad habbits. I do this all the time =
myself.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>If I approach a =
corner I brake and short before turning in I shift down gears to be easy =
on the drivetrain and the engine and not unsettling the =
car.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>See my mistake last year at Dijon when I =
damaged the IMSA TR8 when I unsettled the car on downshift in the rain =
on slicks and lost it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I use on the TR4 =
original calipers with the cheapest type brake disc from the Bastuck =
company. They last long.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>As brake pad I use Pagid racing pads with =
RSL1 compund. I get along one season with a set of pads and about 8 =
seasons on the discs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Bob Kramer =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 22, 2025 =
3:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> Fot =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] My Video from =
the Kastner Cup<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have =
no issues with the steering wheel so I've never fixed it,&nbsp;but I =
look at&nbsp;it every time I sit in the&nbsp;car and think I should. I =
tend to use the engine to help braking way too much, and after this =
experience at Lime Rock, and watching myself screw up,&nbsp; I spent my =
next racing&nbsp;weekend at Eagles Canyon focusing on not using =
engine&nbsp;braking, with&nbsp;some success. Old habits die =
hard.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
just can't get myself to trust the brakes on this car. The pulsating I =
get through the front pads is pretty extreme so I find =
myself&nbsp;overreacting. I should just give in and replace&nbsp;the =
heavy B Series calipers with later TR6 ones, but the car is so original =
I have kept it that way.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>After the Lime Rock weekend I looked at the brakes and =
should probably have replaced the rotors but decided to get one more =
weekend out of them.&nbsp; After the ECR weekend, which is much harder =
on the&nbsp;brakes than LRP, I went through the brakes. The Carbotech =
front pads had eaten through a third set of rotors and they are still =
only halfway used up, and the rear shoe friction materials were all =
beginning&nbsp;to crack. They must be made of granite. I've got a set of =
Porterfields ordered to replace =
them.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>All the best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bob<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 3:03<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=AF</span>AM &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DDE style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Cool =
racing!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DDE style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>What would disturb me a lot is the left =
pointing of the steering wheel.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>And save your engine on down =
shifts=E2=80=A6..far too high revs bothering the engine without any =
need.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Bob Kramer via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2025 =
4:32 AM<br><b>To:</b> Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] My =
Video from the Kastner Cup</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I've =
finally got my video uploaded&nbsp;from the Kastner Cup. Never having =
been to Lime Rock previously I foolishly skipped the Test and Tune =
session and I tried to shorten the learning curve. I think I started =
24th and ended up 15th, so you'll see me passing and being =
passed!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"https://youtu.be/Wria1llOAJ8?si=3DMattiUd2LaHKUse0" =
target=3D"_blank">https://youtu.be/Wria1llOAJ8?si=3DMattiUd2LaHKUse0</a><=
o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bob =
Kramer<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></d=
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