Subject: Re: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A

From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:41:30 -0600

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Well, my club and others simply say that ou=
r car must adhere to the 1972 GCR and PCS, which says 1 1/2=E2=80=9D over th=
e =E2=80=9Cstandard=E2=80=9D, which is listed in the PCS. It also allows for=
 a 2=E2=80=9D change in track that combined with the inch and a half wheel w=
idth adjustment does not exceed a 2=E2=80=9D wider track width. Most 6=E2=80=
=9D wheels add the extra width to the outside, using up all the allowable tr=
ack width, while the 5.5=E2=80=9D would use a spacer to get there. In my min=
d running a 6=E2=80=9D wheel isn't a big deal but the tech shed might disagr=
ee.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>BTW, rules Ialso say stock diameter. I think Tr=
iumph TR guys do a better job in sticking close to these rules, as compared t=
o 13=E2=80=9D and 14=E2=80=9D competitors that are often seen with a plus si=
ze wheels!<div><div><br></div><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature=
"><div dir=3D"ltr">You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 22, 2023, at 4:27=E2=80=
=AFPM, John H. Hasty &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote><=
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Ah such are the source for race rules=E2=80=A6 Moss specs say 4.5 after the e=
arly TS &nbsp; Numbers=E2=80=A6 who is right?=E2=80=A6 maybe we should consu=
lt the ghost=E2=80=99s of the past.<br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature=
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 22, 2023, at 5:15=E2=80=AFPM, Bob Kramer Gm=
ail &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">Not according to the SCCA, which is what most vinta=
ge organizations refer you to in their rules.
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You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.<br>
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&gt; On Dec 22, 2023, at 3:13=E2=80=AFPM, John H. Hasty via Fot &lt;fot@auto=
x.team.net&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BFHenry, Original wheels for TR3A through 4A were 4.5" + l.5" =3D=
 6"<br>
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&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; John H. Hasty<br>
&gt; Of Counsel<br>
&gt; Mullen Holland &amp; Cooper P.A.<br>
&gt; 301 S. York St.,<br>
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&gt; Gastonia, NC 28053<br>
&gt; 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)<br>
&gt; mhc-law.com | [email-masked]<br>
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&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; On Behalf Of yellow04 via =
Fot<br>
&gt; Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 11:33 PM<br>
&gt; To: FOT Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A<br>
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&gt; Bob Kramer is spot on, we play by the 1 1/2" over stock rule here out e=
ast, and for a TR3 that means your are limited at 5 1/2" width. When Bill De=
ntinger finally stopped running (and cracking!) his collection of ARE Silver=
stones on Old Blue, he put a set
 of the 5 1/2 X 15 Panasports on the '56 TR3. He ran Hoosier Vintage TD's, a=
nd when I got the car I switched to Hoosier Speedsters. Knowing Jeff Snook w=
on a pair of Kastner Cups with his TR3A running 195X65R15 Speedsters, and re=
membering hearing Kas compliment
 Jeff on his choice for tire size, I went with the narrower tire. It fits th=
e 5 1/2" wheel better, plus I don't have clearance issues with fenders.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If you had witnessed Don Brick and the red wire wheels on his TR4 up cl=
ose and at speed, you also would never go on track at speed on wire wheels. W=
ith sticky race tires, the front hubs followed Don's hands on the wheel, but=
 the spokes flexed so much you
 could plainly see the rims and tires lagging behind! I wish we had cheap in=
-car cameras back then, video of that would be priceless.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Now all I need to do is mention Bob Wismer, and there we have it, the o=
riginal Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team! I miss you guys...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Henry F<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; On 2023-12-21 17:09, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2" over the stock sized wheel as=
<br>
&gt;&gt; listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2" by 15"s on a TR3. 15x6=
's<br>
&gt;&gt; are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2's. I had=
 to<br>
&gt;&gt; go with Panasport to get 5 1/2's.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46=E2=80=AFPM, Ken Hollar via Fot &lt;fot=
@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi All,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not se=
en the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; track since 1979.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.&nbsp; Not now howeve=
r.&nbsp; Which<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?=
<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I will also need tire recommendations.&nbsp; Brand, Style and S=
ize info<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; would be appreciated.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April=
 next<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; year.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks for the help,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Ken Hollar<br>
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From: Joe via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 11:29:42 -0500

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Looking in the Original Triumph TR book, it shows that at TS1869 in May 1954=
, wheels were changed from 4=E2=80=9D to 4.5=E2=80=9D.  JoeB

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> On Dec 22, 2023, at 10:39 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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> =EF=BB=BF Ah such are the source for race rules=E2=80=A6 Moss specs say 4.=
5 after the early TS   Numbers=E2=80=A6 who is right?=E2=80=A6 maybe we shou=
ld consult the ghost=E2=80=99s of the past.
> Sent from my iPhone

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