Subject: Re: [Fot] Daytona Runoffs 1969

From: dustin nicholson via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:59:53 +0000 (UTC)

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That=E2=80=99s Jerry?!? How cool.
That photo was taken at a practice session, I got it from a Hemings article=
 a few years ago =E2=80=9CThe Last Dance at Daytona=E2=80=9D with an amusin=
g caption about how primitive and crude those cars were (mine was painted w=
ith a brush), see attached article.=C2=A0 It also shows the Group 44 GT6+ t=
hat won the championship (the same car restored by Tim Suddard).
Note, it says the Spitfire is driven by Terry Barker=E2=80=A6 Jerry=E2=80=
=99s alter ego?
Dusty Nicholson=C2=A0281-871-9623

On Sep 24, 2023, at 10:49 PM, Bert Brown <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF Off topic, but that's FOT member Jerry Barker in the black Spitfi=
re #2 behind your TR3 in the Daytona photo!
Bert Brown    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 03:36:11 PM PDT, dustin nich=
olson via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 Speaking of Bill Boemler, I have his 1955 TR3 racecar. He ran it in the ru=
noffs a couple times in the 60=E2=80=99s, Car last ran in 1973 and has been=
 untouched since, someday I=E2=80=99ll get it back on track. I=E2=80=99m no=
t surprised to learn about his overdrive mods, this car has a lot slick cus=
tomizations that I=E2=80=99ve never seen before.
Photos attached of it at Daytona 1969 and now.

Dusty Nicholson=C2=A0281-871-9623

On Sep 21, 2023, at 11:52 PM, R. John Lye via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

=EF=BB=BF=20
Wow, Bill Boemmler is a name that I recognize from my time in St. Louis.=C2=
=A0 He was indeed
a skilled machinist and did some really cool tricks just like Jack describe=
d.

Thanks,
John =C2=A0=20

On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 19:35:35 +0000 (UTC), Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]=
eam.net> wrote:
=C2=A0=C2=A0I've read a number of responses to this and all are good ideas.=
=C2=A0 When I was racing with an A-Type overdrive, I met a guy from St. Lou=
is named Bill Boemmler, a TR-3 racer from the 50's & 60's.=C2=A0 Bill was a=
lso a skilled machinist and had a small machine shop behind his house.=C2=
=A0 Everything I know about the A-Type overdrive, I learned from Bill.=C2=
=A0The bottom of the adapter plate is fastened by 2 studs, one in each corn=
er.=C2=A0 It generally leaks between these 2 studs.=C2=A0 Bill would drill =
and tap for two additional small bolts (about 1/2" long), spaced evenly bet=
ween the 2 studs.=C2=A0 Two holes were drilled in the adapter plate, aligne=
d with two holes which were drilled and tapped into the overdrive housing f=
or a 1/4" - 20 hex bolt.=C2=A0 This, of course, has to be done when the ove=
rdrive is apart, and the holes are drilled and tapped into the rear of the =
O/D housing.=C2=A0 When assembling, it is a tight fit to get these two bolt=
s in between the gearbox housing and the adapter plate, so the bolts need t=
o be short. just long enough to get a firm threading into the O/D housing.=
=C2=A0 They should be secured with either lock tight or safety wire.=C2=A0T=
his process is a little hard to explain, so if you want a better descriptio=
n either call me or contact me offline.=C2=A0 I had Bill perform this modif=
ication on all of my race and street car overdrives, and after this modific=
ation, I never had a leak in this area.=C2=A0Cheers,=C2=A0Jack=C2=A0On Thur=
sday, September 21, 2023 at 12:17:01 AM EDT, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@autox.=
team.net> wrote:=C2=A0=C2=A0I have a leaky a-type OD in my street TR4 that =
looks like it's leaking from near the adapter plate.=C2=A0 I have never tak=
en one apart.=C2=A0 Can I just separate the OD from the trans and replace t=
he gaskets or the adapter plate (I've heard that Quantum Mechanics sells an=
 uprated plate and am checking with John to see if he has one) and then rea=
ssemble without needing to take the OD apart further?=C2=A0 There is a yout=
ube video that shows an OD being separated and it looks like it is do able.=
=C2=A0 Thoughts?=C2=A0 JoeB_______________________________________________
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=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px=
;"><div id=3D"ydp76e7edcfyiv3781854101"><div>That=E2=80=99s Jerry?!? How co=
ol.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Tha=
t photo was taken at a practice session, I got it from a Hemings article a =
few years ago =E2=80=9CThe Last Dance at Daytona=E2=80=9D with an amusing c=
aption about how primitive and crude those cars were (mine was painted with=
 a brush), see attached article.&nbsp; It also shows the Group 44 GT6+ that=
 won the championship (the same car restored by Tim Suddard).</div><div><br=
 clear=3D"none"></div><div>Note, it says the Spitfire is driven by Terry Ba=
rker=E2=80=A6 Jerry=E2=80=99s alter ego?</div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Dusty Nicholson&nbsp;<div>281-871-9623</div></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 24, 2023, at 10:49 =
PM, Bert Brown &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br cl=
ear=3D"none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;" class=3D"ydp76e7edcfyiv3781854101ydp9e33992yahoo-styl=
e-wrap"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Off topic, but that's FOT member Jerry Barker in t=
he black Spitfire #2 behind your TR3 in the Daytona photo!</div><div><br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bert Brown</div>
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                    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 03:36:11 PM PDT, dusti=
n nicholson via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp76e7edcfyiv3781854101"><div>Speaking of =
Bill Boemler, I have his 1955 TR3 racecar. He ran it in the runoffs a coupl=
e times in the 60=E2=80=99s, Car last ran in 1973 and has been untouched si=
nce, someday I=E2=80=99ll get it back on track. I=E2=80=99m not surprised t=
o learn about his overdrive mods, this car has a lot slick customizations t=
hat I=E2=80=99ve never seen before.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Photo=
s attached of it at Daytona 1969 and now.</div><div><div>&lt;image1.jpeg&gt=
;</div><br clear=3D"none"><div>&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</div></div></div></div><=
/div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div id=3D"ydp76e7edcf=
yiv3781854101yqt24748" class=3D"ydp76e7edcfyiv3781854101yqt3135485563"><br =
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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        <div>&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</div></div><=
/div></div><div id=3D"ydpe38c9366yiv3781854101yqtfd46016" class=3D"ydpe38c9=
366yiv3781854101yqt7571495295"><div><span><br clear=3D"none"></span><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Dusty Nicholson&nbsp;<div>281-871-9623</div></div><div id=3D"ydpe=
38c9366yiv3781854101yqt57484" class=3D"ydpe38c9366yiv3781854101yqt313548556=
3"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 21,=
 2023, at 11:52 PM, R. John Lye via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<b=
r clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
=09</div></blockquote></div></div></div><div id=3D"ydpe38c9366yiv3781854101=
yqtfd92270" class=3D"ydpe38c9366yiv3781854101yqt7571495295"><div id=3D"ydpe=
38c9366yiv3781854101yqt91500" class=3D"ydpe38c9366yiv3781854101yqt313548556=
3"></div></div><div id=3D"ydpe38c9366yiv3781854101yqtfd85090" class=3D"ydpe=
38c9366yiv3781854101yqt7571495295"></div><div id=3D"ydpe38c9366yiv378185410=
1yqtfd40156" class=3D"ydpe38c9366yiv3781854101yqt7571495295"><div><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" class=3D"ydpe38c9366y=
iv3781854101userStyles">Wow, Bill Boemmler is a name that I recognize from =
my time in St. Louis.&nbsp; He was indeed<br clear=3D"none">
a skilled machinist and did some really cool tricks just like Jack describe=
d.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Thanks,<br clear=3D"none">
John
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<span>On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 19:35:35 +0000 (UTC), Jack Wheeler via Fot &lt;fo=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</span><br clear=3D"none">
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<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I've read a number of responses to this and all are good i=
deas.&nbsp; When I was racing with an A-Type overdrive, I met a guy from St=
. Louis named Bill Boemmler, a TR-3 racer from the 50's &amp; 60's.&nbsp; B=
ill was also a skilled machinist and had a small machine shop behind his ho=
use.&nbsp; Everything I know about the A-Type overdrive, I learned from Bil=
l.</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">The bottom of the adapter plate is fastened by 2 studs, on=
e in each corner.&nbsp; It generally leaks between these 2 studs.&nbsp; Bil=
l would drill and tap for two additional small bolts (about 1/2" long), spa=
ced evenly between the 2 studs.&nbsp; Two holes were drilled in the adapter=
 plate, aligned with two holes which were drilled and tapped into the overd=
rive housing for a 1/4" - 20 hex bolt.&nbsp; This, of course, has to be don=
e when the overdrive is apart, and the holes are drilled and tapped into th=
e rear of the O/D housing.&nbsp; When assembling, it is a tight fit to get =
these two bolts in between the gearbox housing and the adapter plate, so th=
e bolts need to be short. just long enough to get a firm threading into the=
 O/D housing.&nbsp; They should be secured with either lock tight or safety=
 wire.</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">This process is a little hard to explain, so if you want a=
 better description either call me or contact me offline.&nbsp; I had Bill =
perform this modification on all of my race and street car overdrives, and =
after this modification, I never had a leak in this area.</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Cheers,</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Jack</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:17:01 AM EDT, Joe Boruch via Fot=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div>

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it's leaking from near the adapter plate.&nbsp; I have never taken one apar=
t.&nbsp; Can I just separate the OD from the trans and replace the gaskets =
or the adapter plate (I've heard that Quantum Mechanics sells an uprated pl=
ate and am checking with John to see if he has one) and then reassemble wit=
hout needing to take the OD apart further?&nbsp; There is a youtube video t=
hat shows an OD being separated and it looks like it is do able.&nbsp; Thou=
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