Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

From: Tony Drews via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 13:17:58 -0500

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You don't say what kind of car.  I had a similar issue in my TR-4, 
changed head gasket 3 times and then discovered I had a crack in the 
head in the combustion chamber.

Sure sounds like a leak from combustion chamber into cooling system from 
the description.  Temperature spikes after pushing out water is a 
classic symptom, the rapid pressurization is a classic symptom.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 9/23/2023 10:02 AM, Anthony Parker via Fot wrote:
> I'm having cooling problems.
> Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.
>
> Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.
>
> Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator 
> hoses and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will 
> cool and coolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high 
> coolant temps.
>
> Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I 
> opened the radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) 
> pressurized air and coolant shot everywhere.
>
> No thermostat and I have confirmed three times that system is 
> completely full
>
> Seems I have combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles 
> eventually removing pump prime.
>
> Don't know what else it could be.
>
> Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying 
> some "stop leak" product?
>
> Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?
>
> I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been 
> checked by two different trusted engine machinists.
>
> Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.
>
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    <p>You don't say what kind of car.  I had a similar issue in my
      TR-4, changed head gasket 3 times and then discovered I had a
      crack in the head in the combustion chamber.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Sure sounds like a leak from combustion chamber into cooling
      system from the description.  Temperature spikes after pushing out
      water is a classic symptom, the rapid pressurization is a classic
      symptom.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Regards, Tony Drews<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/23/2023 10:02 AM, Anthony Parker
      via Fot wrote:<br>
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          <span style="margin:0px" class="ContentPasted0">I'm having
            cooling problems.</span></div>
        <div style="font-size: 15px; font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;,
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          Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want
          to do.</div>
        <div style="font-size: 15px; font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;,
          &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe
          UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto,
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          Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and
          radiator.<br>
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          </div>
          <div style="margin:0px" class="ContentPasted0">Over three
            trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator
            hoses and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and
            radiator will cool and coolant temp will spike to 230+.
            Radiator cold with sky high coolant temps.</div>
          <div dir="ltr" style="margin:0px"><br class="ContentPasted0">
          </div>
          <div style="margin:0px" class="ContentPasted0">Two more clues,
            hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the
            radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night)
            pressurized air and coolant shot everywhere.</div>
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          <div style="margin:0px" class="ContentPasted0"><span
              style="display: inline !important; background-color:
              rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="ContentPasted1">No thermostat
              and I have confirmed three times that system is completely
              full</span><br>
          </div>
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          </div>
          <div style="margin:0px" class="ContentPasted0">Seems I have
            combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles
            eventually removing pump prime.</div>
          <div dir="ltr" style="margin:0px"><br class="ContentPasted0">
          </div>
          Don't know what else it could be.</div>
        <div style="font-size: 15px; font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;,
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          <br>
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          Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in
          trying some "stop leak" product?</div>
        <div style="font-size: 15px; font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;,
          &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe
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          Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or
          gasket leak?</div>
        <div style="font-size: 15px; font-family: &quot;Segoe UI&quot;,
          &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe
          UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto,
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          <br>
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          I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has
          been checked by two different trusted engine machinists.</div>
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          Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.</div>
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From: David Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 18:18:57 +0000 (UTC)

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Anthony,
Is this a wet liner triumph engine? =C2=A0It does sound like a cracked line=
r issue we had on one of our engines; no smoking gun and leak down pressuri=
zing cooling system didn=E2=80=99t show it; only when it got hot did the le=
ak show=E2=80=A6
Dave Gott

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Saturday, September 23, 2023, 1:53 PM, Anthony Parker via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net> wrote:

 #yiv0505834595 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I'm having cooling problem=
s.Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.
Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.

Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses=
 and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and c=
oolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high coolant temps.
Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the=
 radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and co=
olant shot everywhere.
No thermostat and I have confirmed three times that system is completely fu=
ll

Seems I have combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventua=
lly removing pump prime.
Don't know what else it could be.
Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some "=
stop leak" product?
Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?
I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked b=
y two different trusted engine machinists.
Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony._________________________=
______________________
[email-masked]

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Anthony,<div><br></div><div>Is this a wet liner triumph engine? &nbsp;It do=
es sound like a cracked liner issue we had on one of our engines; no smokin=
g gun and leak down pressurizing cooling system didn=E2=80=99t show it; onl=
y when it got hot did the leak show=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div>Dave =
Gott<br><br><br><div class=3D"yahoo-signature"><a href=3D"https://mail.onel=
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oted-begin" style=3D"font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; ma=
rgin-top: 0">On Saturday, September 23, 2023, 1:53 PM, Anthony Parker via F=
ot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"iosymail"><div=
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<span style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPasted0">I'm havin=
g cooling problems.</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:15px;font-family:UI Web -apple-system, BlinkMacSyst=
emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
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Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:15px;font-family:UI Web -apple-system, BlinkMacSyst=
emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
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ementToProof">
<br>
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r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPasted0 yiv0505834595el=
ementToProof">
Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px;"><br class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPas=
ted0">
</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPasted0">Over three=
 trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses and radia=
tor warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and coolant tem=
p will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high
 coolant temps.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px;"><br class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPas=
ted0">
</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPasted0">Two more c=
lues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the radiator =
cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and coolant shot=
 everywhere.</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPasted0"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPasted0"><span styl=
e=3D"display:inline !important;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=
=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPasted1">No thermostat and I have confirmed three t=
imes that system is completely full</span><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px;"><br class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPas=
ted0">
</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPasted0">Seems I ha=
ve combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventually removi=
ng pump prime.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px;"><br class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPas=
ted0">
</div>
Don't know what else it could be.</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:15px;font-family:UI Web -apple-system, BlinkMacSyst=
emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
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<br>
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r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPasted0 yiv0505834595el=
ementToProof">
Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some "=
stop leak" product?</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:15px;font-family:UI Web -apple-system, BlinkMacSyst=
emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
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<br>
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Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:15px;font-family:UI Web -apple-system, BlinkMacSyst=
emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
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ementToProof">
<br>
</div>
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r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"yiv0505834595ContentPasted0 yiv0505834595el=
ementToProof">
I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked b=
y two different trusted engine machinists.</div>
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emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
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Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.</div>
</div>
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From: Anthony Parker via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 18:27:10 +0000

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Thanks Tony,

It's a GT6.

I understand and agree with you.

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From: Tony Drews <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 2:17 PM
To: Anthony Parker <[email-masked]>; FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

You don't say what kind of car.  I had a similar issue in my TR-4, changed =
head gasket 3 times and then discovered I had a crack in the head in the co=
mbustion chamber.

Sure sounds like a leak from combustion chamber into cooling system from th=
e description.  Temperature spikes after pushing out water is a classic sym=
ptom, the rapid pressurization is a classic symptom.

Regards, Tony Drews

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It's a GT6.</div>
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I understand and agree with you.</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Tony Drews &lt;tony@t=
onydrews.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 2:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Anthony Parker &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; FOT Triumph &lt;fot=
@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div style=3D"background-color:#FFFFFF">
<p>You don't say what kind of car.&nbsp; I had a similar issue in my TR-4, =
changed head gasket 3 times and then discovered I had a crack in the head i=
n the combustion chamber.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Sure sounds like a leak from combustion chamber into cooling system from=
 the description.&nbsp; Temperature spikes after pushing out water is a cla=
ssic symptom, the rapid pressurization is a classic symptom.<br>
</p>
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<p>Regards, Tony Drews<br>
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<p><br>
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<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0" style=3D""><span class=3D"x_ContentPasted0"=
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<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0 x_elementToProof" style=3D"">Need help being=
 convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0 x_elementToProof" style=3D""><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0 x_elementToProof" style=3D"">Brand new short=
 block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<br>
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</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px">Over three trials, the=
 engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses and radiator warming =
properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and coolant temp will spike=
 to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high
 coolant temps.</div>
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</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px">Two more clues, hoses =
seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the radiator cap this mor=
ning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and coolant shot everywhere.=
</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px"><br>
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<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px"><span class=3D"x_Conte=
ntPasted1" style=3D"display:inline!important; background-color:rgb(255,255,=
255)">No thermostat and I have confirmed three times that system is complet=
ely full</span><br>
</div>
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</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px">Seems I have combustio=
n gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventually removing pump prim=
e.</div>
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</div>
Don't know what else it could be.</div>
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</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0 x_elementToProof" style=3D"">Given the appar=
ent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some &quot;stop leak&=
quot; product?</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0 x_elementToProof" style=3D""><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0 x_elementToProof" style=3D"">Is it time to p=
ull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0 x_elementToProof" style=3D""><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0 x_elementToProof" style=3D"">I suppose it co=
uld be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked by two different=
 trusted engine machinists.</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0 x_elementToProof" style=3D""><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_ContentPasted0 x_elementToProof" style=3D"">Desperately try=
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Thanks Dave,

GT6 engine. Not wet lined. Only 0.01" over bore.

I understand your scenario.

________________________________
From: David Gott <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 2:18 PM
To: Anthony Parker <[email-masked]>; FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

Anthony,

Is this a wet liner triumph engine?  It does sound like a cracked liner iss=
ue we had on one of our engines; no smoking gun and leak down pressurizing =
cooling system didn=92t show it; only when it got hot did the leak show=85

Dave Gott

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Thanks Dave,</div>
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GT6 engine. Not wet lined. Only 0.01&quot; over bore.</div>
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I understand your scenario.</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> David Gott &lt;triump=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 2:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Anthony Parker &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; FOT Triumph &lt;fot=
@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>Anthony,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is this a wet liner triumph engine? &nbsp;It does sound like a cracked=
 liner issue we had on one of our engines; no smoking gun and leak down pre=
ssurizing cooling system didn=92t show it; only when it got hot did the lea=
k show=85</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dave Gott<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Saturday, September 23, 2023, 1:53 PM, Anthony Parker via Fot &lt;fot@au=
tox.team.net&gt; wrote:</p>
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<span class=3D"x_yiv0505834595ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px">I'm havi=
ng cooling problems.</span></div>
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style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,36); background-color:=
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Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.</div>
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style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,36); background-color:=
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style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,36); background-color:=
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Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px"><br class=3D"x_yiv0505834595ContentPa=
sted0">
</div>
<div class=3D"x_yiv0505834595ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px">Over thre=
e trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses and radi=
ator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and coolant te=
mp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold
 with sky high coolant temps.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px"><br class=3D"x_yiv0505834595ContentPa=
sted0">
</div>
<div class=3D"x_yiv0505834595ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px">Two more =
clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the radiator=
 cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and coolant sho=
t everywhere.</div>
<div class=3D"x_yiv0505834595ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_yiv0505834595ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px"><span cla=
ss=3D"x_yiv0505834595ContentPasted1" style=3D"display:inline!important; bac=
kground-color:rgb(255,255,255)">No thermostat and I have confirmed three ti=
mes that system is completely full</span><br>
</div>
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sted0">
</div>
<div class=3D"x_yiv0505834595ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px">Seems I h=
ave combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventually remov=
ing pump prime.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px"><br class=3D"x_yiv0505834595ContentPa=
sted0">
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Don't know what else it could be.</div>
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style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,36); background-color:=
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Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some &=
quot;stop leak&quot; product?</div>
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Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?</div>
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I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked b=
y two different trusted engine machinists.</div>
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Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.</div>
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Anthony:
I realize you have a GT6, but it is behaving very much like my TR4 when I ha=
d a crack in a cylinder. It would hold pressure during a pressure test, and i=
t even held a vacuum, yet it would push water out and replace it with =E2=80=
=9Cair=E2=80=9D ( combustion gases) when running. Assuming your head is ok, t=
here could be a crack in a cylinder that the machine shop missed.  Given the=
 high pressures in the combustion chamber i would not think that that any so=
rt of =E2=80=9Cstop leak=E2=80=9D would work.
Let us know what you find out.
Phil=20

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> On Sep 23, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Anthony Parker via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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> Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hose=
s and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and c=
oolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high coolant temps.
>=20
> Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened th=
e radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and co=
olant shot everywhere.
>=20
> No thermostat and I have confirmed three times that system is completely f=
ull
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> Seems I have combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventu=
ally removing pump prime.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Anthony:<div>I realize you=
 have a GT6, but it is behaving very much like my TR4 when I had a crack in a=
 cylinder. It would hold pressure during a pressure test, and it even held a=
 vacuum, yet it would push water out and replace it with =E2=80=9Cair=E2=80=9D=
 ( combustion gases) when running. Assuming your head is ok, there could be a=
 crack in a cylinder that the machine shop missed. &nbsp;Given the high pres=
sures in the combustion chamber i would not think that that any sort of =E2=80=
=9Cstop leak=E2=80=9D would work.</div><div>Let us know what you find out.</=
div><div>Phil&nbsp;</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 23, 2023, at 2:19 PM, A=
nthony Parker via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote>=
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<span style=3D"margin:0px" class=3D"ContentPasted0">I'm having cooling probl=
ems.</span></div>
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Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.</div>
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e UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMa=
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<br>
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Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<br>
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</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px" class=3D"ContentPasted0">Over three trials, the en=
gine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses and radiator warming prop=
erly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and coolant temp will spike to 2=
30+. Radiator cold with sky high
 coolant temps.</div>
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</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px" class=3D"ContentPasted0">Two more clues, hoses see=
m to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the radiator cap this morning=
 (after cooling all night) pressurized air and coolant shot everywhere.</div=
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ted1">No thermostat and I have confirmed three times that system is complete=
ly full</span><br>
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</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px" class=3D"ContentPasted0">Seems I have combustion g=
ases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventually removing pump prime.</=
div>
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</div>
Don't know what else it could be.</div>
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Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some "s=
top leak" product?</div>
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tPasted0 elementToProof">
Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?</div>
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e UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMa=
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I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked by=
 two different trusted engine machinists.</div>
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e UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMa=
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Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.</div>
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 The cooling of the radiator and temp spike seem to indicate an air bubble in the system. It could get there from spot temps causing localized boiling or it could come from a pressure leak from the combustion chamber or head gasket.

If you think you have a cracked head or bad head gasket, try pressurizing the system and see if the pressure holds. Stant makes a tool like, there are probably others, but buy or borrow this tool. It takes all the guess work out of such problems. My rule of thumb is to bring it up to cap pressure and see if it holds for at last 30 minutes (plus or minus a couple of lb is okay, but loosing half or more in less than 30 minutes is a dead giveaway.

I would also verify that the ignition timing is not too far advanced. Not that I ever had that problem. :-)
Note that you can also use the Stant gauge to verify "normal" system pressure - you want to do that to make sure your cap pressure will keep the coolant from boiling.
Good luck figuring out the problem.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 02:05:24 PM EDT, Anthony Parker via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:  
 
  I'm having cooling problems.Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.
Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.

Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and coolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high coolant temps.
Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and coolant shot everywhere.
No thermostat and I have confirmed three times that system is completely full

Seems I have combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventually removing pump prime.
Don't know what else it could be.
Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some "stop leak" product?
Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?
I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked by two different trusted engine machinists.
Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony._______________________________________________
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The cooling of the radiator =
and temp spike seem to indicate an air bubble in the system. It could get t=
here from spot temps causing localized boiling or it could come from a pres=
sure leak from the combustion chamber or head gasket.<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"=
>If you think you have a cracked head or bad head gasket, try pressurizing =
the system and see if the pressure holds. Stant makes a tool like, there ar=
e probably others, but buy or borrow this tool. It takes all the guess work=
 out of such problems. My rule of thumb is to bring it up to cap pressure a=
nd see if it holds for at last 30 minutes (plus or minus a couple of lb is =
okay, but loosing half or more in less than 30 minutes is a dead giveaway.<=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false">I would also verify that the ignition timing is not t=
oo far advanced. Not that I ever had that problem. :-)</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">No=
te that you can also use the Stant gauge to verify "normal" system pressure=
 - you want to do that to make sure your cap pressure will keep the coolant=
 from boiling.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Good luck figuring out the problem.</div><=
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r=3D"false">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<b=
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emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0">
<span style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0=
">I'm having cooling problems.</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:15px;font-family:UI Web -apple-system, BlinkMacSyst=
emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 ydpf=
09cc1feyiv8718614122elementToProof">
Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:15px;font-family:UI Web -apple-system, BlinkMacSyst=
emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 ydpf=
09cc1feyiv8718614122elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
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emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 ydpf=
09cc1feyiv8718614122elementToProof">
Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px;"><br class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv871861412=
2ContentPasted0">
</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0"=
>Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hose=
s and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and =
coolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high
 coolant temps.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px;"><br class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv871861412=
2ContentPasted0">
</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0"=
>Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened th=
e radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and c=
oolant shot everywhere.</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0"=
><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0"=
><span style=3D"display:inline !important;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 25=
5);" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted1">No thermostat and I h=
ave confirmed three times that system is completely full</span><br>
</div>
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2ContentPasted0">
</div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0"=
>Seems I have combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventu=
ally removing pump prime.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px;"><br class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv871861412=
2ContentPasted0">
</div>
Don't know what else it could be.</div>
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emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
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<br>
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r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 ydpf=
09cc1feyiv8718614122elementToProof">
Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some "=
stop leak" product?</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:15px;font-family:UI Web -apple-system, BlinkMacSyst=
emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
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09cc1feyiv8718614122elementToProof">
<br>
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emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 ydpf=
09cc1feyiv8718614122elementToProof">
Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:15px;font-family:UI Web -apple-system, BlinkMacSyst=
emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 ydpf=
09cc1feyiv8718614122elementToProof">
<br>
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emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 ydpf=
09cc1feyiv8718614122elementToProof">
I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked b=
y two different trusted engine machinists.</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:15px;font-family:UI Web -apple-system, BlinkMacSyst=
emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 ydpf=
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<br>
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emFont, Roboto, sans-serif;margin:0px;color:rgb(36, 36, 36);background-colo=
r:rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 ydpf=
09cc1feyiv8718614122elementToProof">
Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.</div>
</div>
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Thanks Rich, Robert, and everyone else.

More digging..

White sludge in valve cover.
Watery oil in tappets.

Head is off and stripped, ready for the machine shop.

Strange that this morning before the third test, the oil was clear and clea=
n.

We'll see if the head or the block is the problem.
With my recent luck, it could be both.

________________________________
From: Robert Lang <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:45 PM
To: FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>; Anthony Parker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

The cooling of the radiator and temp spike seem to indicate an air bubble i=
n the system. It could get there from spot temps causing localized boiling =
or it could come from a pressure leak from the combustion chamber or head g=
asket.

If you think you have a cracked head or bad head gasket, try pressurizing t=
he system and see if the pressure holds. Stant makes a tool like, there are=
 probably others, but buy or borrow this tool. It takes all the guess work =
out of such problems. My rule of thumb is to bring it up to cap pressure an=
d see if it holds for at last 30 minutes (plus or minus a couple of lb is o=
kay, but loosing half or more in less than 30 minutes is a dead giveaway.

I would also verify that the ignition timing is not too far advanced. Not t=
hat I ever had that problem. :-)

Note that you can also use the Stant gauge to verify "normal" system pressu=
re - you want to do that to make sure your cap pressure will keep the coola=
nt from boiling.

Regards,
Bob Lang

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 02:05:24 PM EDT, Anthony Parker via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

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More digging..</div>
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<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
White sludge in valve cover.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Watery oil in tappets.</div>
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 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Head is off and stripped, ready for the machine shop.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
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 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Strange that this morning before the third test, the oil was clear and clea=
n.</div>
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<br>
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 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
We'll see if the head or the block is the problem.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
With my recent luck, it could be both.</div>
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Robert Lang &lt;rober=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOT Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Anthony Parker &lt;solar=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</font>
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<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The cooling of the radiator and temp=
 spike seem to indicate an air bubble in the system. It could get there fro=
m spot temps causing localized boiling or it could come from a pressure lea=
k from the combustion chamber or head
 gasket.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">If you think you have a cracked head=
 or bad head gasket, try pressurizing the system and see if the pressure ho=
lds. Stant makes a tool like, there are probably others, but buy or borrow =
this tool. It takes all the guess work
 out of such problems. My rule of thumb is to bring it up to cap pressure a=
nd see if it holds for at last 30 minutes (plus or minus a couple of lb is =
okay, but loosing half or more in less than 30 minutes is a dead giveaway.<=
br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I would also verify that the ignitio=
n timing is not too far advanced. Not that I ever had that problem. :-)</di=
v>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Note that you can also use the Stant=
 gauge to verify &quot;normal&quot; system pressure - you want to do that t=
o make sure your cap pressure will keep the coolant from boiling.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Good luck figuring out the problem.<=
/div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Regards,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<br>
</div>
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<div>On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 02:05:24 PM EDT, Anthony Parker via=
 Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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y:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" style=3D"font-size:=
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<span class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0p=
x">I'm having cooling problems.</span></div>
<div class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718=
614122elementToProof" style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,=
36); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.</div>
<div class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718=
614122elementToProof" style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,=
36); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br>
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<div class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0 x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718=
614122elementToProof" style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,=
36); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<br>
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22ContentPasted0">
</div>
<div class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px=
">Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hos=
es and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and=
 coolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator
 cold with sky high coolant temps.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px"><br class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv87186141=
22ContentPasted0">
</div>
<div class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px=
">Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened t=
he radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and =
coolant shot everywhere.</div>
<div class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px=
"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px=
"><span class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted1" style=3D"display=
:inline!important; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">No thermostat and I h=
ave confirmed three times that system is
 completely full</span><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin:0px"><br class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv87186141=
22ContentPasted0">
</div>
<div class=3D"x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0px=
">Seems I have combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles event=
ually removing pump prime.</div>
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22ContentPasted0">
</div>
Don't know what else it could be.</div>
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614122elementToProof" style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,=
36); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br>
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614122elementToProof" style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,=
36); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some &=
quot;stop leak&quot; product?</div>
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614122elementToProof" style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,=
36); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br>
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614122elementToProof" style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,=
36); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?</div>
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614122elementToProof" style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,=
36); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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614122elementToProof" style=3D"font-size:15px; margin:0px; color:rgb(36,36,=
36); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked b=
y two different trusted engine machinists.</div>
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Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.</div>
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Hi,

had this once on a fellow racer car.

Turned out a clogged radiator that closed few remaining open pipes on
temperature.

We replaced the radiator on the track (someone brought a new one) and from
that time never a problem again.

Cheers

Chris

From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Anthony Parker via Fot
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:03 PM
To: FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses
and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and
coolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high coolant temps.

Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the
radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and
coolant shot everywhere.

No thermostat and I have confirmed three times that system is completely
full

Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some
"stop leak" product?

I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked by
two different trusted engine machinists.

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lang=3DDE><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>had this once =
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clogged radiator that closed few remaining open pipes on =
temperature.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>We replaced the radiator =
on the track (someone brought a new one) and from that time never a =
problem again.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DDE> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Anthony Parker via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 =
5:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> FOT Triumph =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Coolant =
conundrum<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span class=3Dcontentpasted0><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'>I'm having cooling =
problems.</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'>Need help being convinced that I have to =
do what I don't want to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'>Brand new short block, same old head, =
water pump, and radiator.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'>Over three trials, the engine will run =
fine and warm up with radiator hoses and radiator warming properly. Then =
the hoses and radiator will cool and coolant temp will spike to 230+. =
Radiator cold with sky high coolant =
temps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'>Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize =
very quickly and when I opened the radiator cap this morning (after =
cooling all night) pressurized air and coolant shot =
everywhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
class=3Dcontentpasted1><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424;background:white'>No thermostat and I have =
confirmed three times that system is completely full</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'>Seems I have combustion gases getting into =
coolant and then bubbles eventually removing pump =
prime.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'>Don't know what else it could =
be.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'>Given the apparent direction of the leak, =
is there any use in trying some &quot;stop leak&quot; =
product?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'>Is it time to pull the head again to look =
for warping or gasket leak?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
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class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'>I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, =
but this block has been checked by two different trusted engine =
machinists.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:#242424'>Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, =
Anthony.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 08:06:21 +0000

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What Chris said, me too. Turned out my rad had most of its tubes plugged, o=
nly at least I didn't have to fix it at the track. Local radiator shop diag=
nosed it, and "rodded it out." That is, he took the top off and ran a rod t=
hrough most of the tubes. Some were so plugged he could not get the rod thr=
ough, but it was enough to fix the problem. This was actually the original =
radiator in my '64 Spitfire and then some 25-30 years old. I later replaced=
 it with a lighter one for weight.

--Rocky Entriken

From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:17 AM
To: 'Anthony Parker' <[email-masked]>; 'FOT Triumph' <[email-masked].=
net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

Hi,

had this once on a fellow racer car.
Turned out a clogged radiator that closed few remaining open pipes on tempe=
rature.
We replaced the radiator on the track (someone brought a new one) and from =
that time never a problem again.

Cheers
Chris

n Behalf Of Anthony Parker via Fot
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:03 PM
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What Chris said, me too. Turned out my rad had most =
of its tubes plugged, only at least I didn&#8217;t have to fix it at the tr=
ack. Local radiator shop diagnosed it, and &#8220;rodded it out.&#8221; Tha=
t is, he took the top off and ran a rod through most
 of the tubes. Some were so plugged he could not get the rod through, but i=
t was enough to fix the problem. This was actually the original radiator in=
 my &#8217;64 Spitfire and then some 25-30 years old. I later replaced it w=
ith a lighter one for weight.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">--Rocky Entriken<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Chris Marx via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Anthony Parker' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'FOT Triumph' &lt=
;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">had this once on a fellow racer car.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Turned out a clogged radiator that closed few remain=
ing open pipes on temperature.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We replaced the radiator on the track (someone broug=
ht a new one) and from that time never a problem again.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chris<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"DE">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"D=
E"> Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fot-bounces@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Parker via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOT Triumph &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fot@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Coolant conundrum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span class=3D"contentpas=
ted0"><span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:#242424">I'm having cooling problems.</span></span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242=
424"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Need help=
 being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Brand new=
 short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Over thre=
e trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses and radi=
ator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator
 will cool and coolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high=
 coolant temps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Two more =
clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the radiator=
 cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized
 air and coolant shot everywhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span class=3D"contentpas=
ted1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:#242424;background:white">No thermostat and I have confirmed t=
hree times that system is completely full</span></span><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Seems I h=
ave combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventually remov=
ing pump prime.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Don't kno=
w what else it could be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Given the=
 apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some &quot;stop=
 leak&quot; product?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Is it tim=
e to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">I suppose=
 it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked by two dif=
ferent trusted engine machinists.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Desperate=
ly trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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From: Anthony Parker via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 00:54:13 +0000

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Well...

Finally took the five minutes that I should have weeks ago.

Put a straight edge across the head.
The squish zone above the #2 cylinder is literally squished.
As much at 0.01" toward the center of the cylinder, but more importantly, 0=
.007" between the coolant passages and the gasket sealing ring.

Cost myself a lot of time, money, and frustration.

Live and learn.

Will try to get the head surfaced tomorrow first thing and then go from the=
re.
Could be cracked inside the water jacket and the valve seats could be warpe=
d for all I know.
Though, I did lap the intake and exhaust in that cylinder and everything se=
emed to be seating properly.

Thanks for everyone's feedback,

________________________________
From: Fot <[email-masked]> on behalf of Anthony Parker via Fot =
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 8:02 PM
To: Robert Lang <[email-masked]>; FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

More digging..

Regards,
Bob Lang

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Finally took the five minutes that I should have weeks ago.</div>
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Put a straight edge across the head.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
The squish zone above the #2 cylinder is literally squished.</div>
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As much at 0.01&quot; toward the center of the cylinder, but more important=
ly, 0.007&quot; between the coolant passages and the gasket sealing ring.</=
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
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Cost myself a lot of time, money, and frustration.</div>
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<br>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
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Live and learn.</div>
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Will try to get the head surfaced tomorrow first thing and then go from the=
re.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Could be cracked inside the water jacket and the valve seats could be warpe=
d for all I know.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Though, I did lap the intake and exhaust in that cylinder and everything se=
emed to be seating properly.</div>
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Thanks for everyone's feedback,</div>
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utox.team.net&gt; on behalf of Anthony Parker via Fot &lt;[email-masked]=
t&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 8:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Lang &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; FOT Triumph &lt;fot=
@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</font>
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White sludge in valve cover.</div>
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Watery oil in tappets.</div>
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Head is off and stripped, ready for the machine shop.</div>
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Strange that this morning before the third test, the oil was clear and clea=
n.</div>
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We'll see if the head or the block is the problem.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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With my recent luck, it could be both.</div>
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color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Robert Lang &lt;rob=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOT Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Anthony Parker &lt;solar=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</font>
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<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The cooling of the radiator and temp=
 spike seem to indicate an air bubble in the system. It could get there fro=
m spot temps causing localized boiling or it could come from a pressure lea=
k from the combustion chamber or head
 gasket.<br>
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">If you think you have a cracked head=
 or bad head gasket, try pressurizing the system and see if the pressure ho=
lds. Stant makes a tool like, there are probably others, but buy or borrow =
this tool. It takes all the guess work
 out of such problems. My rule of thumb is to bring it up to cap pressure a=
nd see if it holds for at last 30 minutes (plus or minus a couple of lb is =
okay, but loosing half or more in less than 30 minutes is a dead giveaway.<=
br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I would also verify that the ignitio=
n timing is not too far advanced. Not that I ever had that problem. :-)</di=
v>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Note that you can also use the Stant=
 gauge to verify &quot;normal&quot; system pressure - you want to do that t=
o make sure your cap pressure will keep the coolant from boiling.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Good luck figuring out the problem.<=
/div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Regards,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<br>
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<div>On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 02:05:24 PM EDT, Anthony Parker via=
 Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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0px">I'm having cooling problems.</span></div>
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Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.</div>
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Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<br>
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4122ContentPasted0">
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<div class=3D"x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0=
px">Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator h=
oses and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool a=
nd coolant temp will spike to 230+.
 Radiator cold with sky high coolant temps.</div>
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<div class=3D"x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0=
px">Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened=
 the radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air an=
d coolant shot everywhere.</div>
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px"><br>
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<div class=3D"x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0=
px"><span class=3D"x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted1" style=3D"dis=
play:inline!important; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">No thermostat and=
 I have confirmed three times that system
 is completely full</span><br>
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<div class=3D"x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" style=3D"margin:0=
px">Seems I have combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eve=
ntually removing pump prime.</div>
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Don't know what else it could be.</div>
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Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some &=
quot;stop leak&quot; product?</div>
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Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?</div>
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I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked b=
y two different trusted engine machinists.</div>
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Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.</div>
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If the head has collapsed there, the head is toast.

Cheers

Chris

From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Anthony Parker via Fot
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 2:54 AM
To: FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

Well...

As much at 0.01" toward the center of the cylinder, but more importantly,
0.007" between the coolant passages and the gasket sealing ring.

Live and learn.

Will try to get the head surfaced tomorrow first thing and then go from
there.

Could be cracked inside the water jacket and the valve seats could be warped
for all I know.

Though, I did lap the intake and exhaust in that cylinder and everything
seemed to be seating properly.

 

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on behalf of Anthony Parker via Fot <[email-masked]
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum 

More digging..

Watery oil in tappets.

Strange that this morning before the third test, the oil was clear and
clean.

 

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The cooling of the radiator and temp spike seem to indicate an air bubble in
the system. It could get there from spot temps causing localized boiling or
it could come from a pressure leak from the combustion chamber or head
gasket.

If you think you have a cracked head or bad head gasket, try pressurizing
the system and see if the pressure holds. Stant makes a tool like, there are
probably others, but buy or borrow this tool. It takes all the guess work
out of such problems. My rule of thumb is to bring it up to cap pressure and
see if it holds for at last 30 minutes (plus or minus a couple of lb is
okay, but loosing half or more in less than 30 minutes is a dead giveaway.

I would also verify that the ignition timing is not too far advanced. Not
that I ever had that problem. :-)

Note that you can also use the Stant gauge to verify "normal" system
pressure - you want to do that to make sure your cap pressure will keep the
coolant from boiling.

Regards,

Bob Lang

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>If the head has collapsed =
there, the head is toast.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DDE> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Anthony Parker via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 25, 2023 =
2:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> FOT Triumph =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant =
conundrum<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Well...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Finally took the five minutes =
that I should have weeks ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Put a straight edge across the =
head.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The squish zone above the #2 =
cylinder is literally squished.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>As much =
at 0.01&quot; toward the center of the cylinder, but more importantly, =
0.007&quot; between the coolant passages and the gasket sealing =
ring.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Cost myself a lot of time, money, =
and frustration.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Live and =
learn.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Will try to get the head surfaced =
tomorrow first thing and then go from =
there.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Could be cracked inside the water =
jacket and the valve seats could be warped for all I =
know.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Though, I did lap the intake and =
exhaust in that cylinder and everything seemed to be seating =
properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Thanks for everyone's =
feedback,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr =
size=3D2 width=3D"98%" align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3DdivRplyFwdMsg><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'> Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; on behalf of Anthony Parker via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:=
</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 8:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Robert Lang =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; =
FOT Triumph &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Thanks =
Rich, Robert, and everyone else.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>More =
digging..<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>White sludge in valve =
cover.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Watery oil in =
tappets.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Head is off and stripped, ready =
for the machine shop.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Strange that this morning before =
the third test, the oil was clear and =
clean.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>We'll see if the head or the =
block is the problem.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>With my =
recent luck, it could be both.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr =
size=3D2 width=3D"98%" align=3Dcenter></div><div =
id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'> =
Robert Lang &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> FOT =
Triumph &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Anthony =
Parker &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The =
cooling of the radiator and temp spike seem to indicate an air bubble in =
the system. It could get there from spot temps causing localized boiling =
or it could come from a pressure leak from the combustion chamber or =
head gasket.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>If you =
think you have a cracked head or bad head gasket, try pressurizing the =
system and see if the pressure holds. Stant makes a tool like, there are =
probably others, but buy or borrow this tool. It takes all the guess =
work out of such problems. My rule of thumb is to bring it up to cap =
pressure and see if it holds for at last 30 minutes (plus or minus a =
couple of lb is okay, but loosing half or more in less than 30 minutes =
is a dead giveaway.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I would =
also verify that the ignition timing is not too far advanced. Not that I =
ever had that problem. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Note that =
you can also use the Stant gauge to verify &quot;normal&quot; system =
pressure - you want to do that to make sure your cap pressure will keep =
the coolant from boiling.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Good luck =
figuring out the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Bob =
Lang<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"x_x_ydpf09cc1feyahoo_quoted_6336859216"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 02:05:24 PM EDT, Anthony Parker =
via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3D"x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122"><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
class=3Dxxydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122contentpasted0><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>I'm having cooling =
problems.</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Need help being convinced that =
I have to do what I don't want to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Brand new short block, same old =
head, water pump, and radiator.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Over three trials, the engine =
will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses and radiator warming =
properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and coolant temp will =
spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high coolant =
temps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Two more clues, hoses seem to =
pressurize very quickly and when I opened the radiator cap this morning =
(after cooling all night) pressurized air and coolant shot =
everywhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
class=3Dxxydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122contentpasted1><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424;background:white'>No thermostat =
and I have confirmed three times that system is completely =
full</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Seems I have combustion gases =
getting into coolant and then bubbles eventually removing pump =
prime.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Don't know what else it could =
be.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Given the apparent direction of =
the leak, is there any use in trying some &quot;stop leak&quot; =
product?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Is it time to pull the head =
again to look for warping or gasket =
leak?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>I suppose it could be a cracked =
cylinder, but this block has been checked by two different trusted =
engine machinists.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424'>Desperately trying to get to =
the RunOffs, Anthony.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p =
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 12:13:13 +0000 (UTC)

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I had the same problem back in 2016-2017. =C2=A0I tried everything includin=
g crack checking the head. Changing out the head solved=C2=A0the problem. H=
opefully you have an extra race prepared head.I have seen casting leak on o=
ther cars due to lack of casting density.

Mike Munson #28 EP TR6

On Monday, September 25, 2023, 1:40 AM, Anthony Parker via Fot <[email-masked]=
eam.net> wrote:

#yiv6354514897 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Well...
Finally took the five minutes that I should have weeks ago.
Put a straight edge across the head.The squish zone above the #2 cylinder i=
s literally squished.As much at 0.01" toward the center of the cylinder, bu=
t more importantly, 0.007" between the coolant passages and the gasket seal=
ing ring.
Cost myself a lot of time, money, and frustration.
Live and learn.
Will try to get the head surfaced tomorrow first thing and then go from the=
re.Could be cracked inside the water jacket and the valve seats could be wa=
rped for all I know.Though, I did lap the intake and exhaust in that cylind=
er and everything seemed to be seating properly.
Thanks for everyone's feedback,

From: Fot <[email-masked]> on behalf of Anthony Parker via Fot =
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 8:02 PM
To: Robert Lang <[email-masked]>; FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum=C2=A0<!--#yiv6354514897 p {margin-top:=
0;margin-bottom:0;}-->Thanks Rich, Robert, and everyone else.
More digging..
White sludge in valve cover.Watery oil in tappets.
Head is off and stripped, ready for the machine shop.
Strange that this morning before the third test, the oil was clear and clea=
n.
We'll see if the head or the block is the problem.=C2=A0=C2=A0With my recen=
t luck, it could be both.

From: Robert Lang <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:45 PM
To: FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>; Anthony Parker <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum=C2=A0The cooling of the radiator and t=
emp spike seem to indicate an air bubble in the system. It could get there =
from spot temps causing localized boiling or it could come from a pressure =
leak from the combustion chamber or head gasket.

I'm having cooling problems.Need help being convinced that I have to do wha=
t I don't want to do.
Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.

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I had the same problem back in 2016-2017. &nbsp;I tried everything includin=
g crack checking the head. Changing out the head solved&nbsp;the problem. H=
opefully you have an extra race prepared head.<div>I have seen casting leak=
 on other cars due to lack of casting density.<br><br><br><div class=3D"yah=
oo-signature">Mike Munson #28 EP TR6</div><br><p class=3D"yahoo-quoted-begi=
n" style=3D"font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top:=
 0">On Monday, September 25, 2023, 1:40 AM, Anthony Parker via Fot &lt;fot@=
autox.team.net&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv6=
354514897"><style type=3D"text/css">#yiv6354514897 P {margin-top:0;margin-b=
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
Well...</div>
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
Finally took the five minutes that I should have weeks ago.</div>
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
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</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
Put a straight edge across the head.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
The squish zone above the #2 cylinder is literally squished.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
As much at 0.01" toward the center of the cylinder, but more importantly, 0=
.007" between the coolant passages and the gasket sealing ring.</div>
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
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</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
Cost myself a lot of time, money, and frustration.</div>
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
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</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
Live and learn.</div>
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
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</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
Will try to get the head surfaced tomorrow first thing and then go from the=
re.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
Could be cracked inside the water jacket and the valve seats could be warpe=
d for all I know.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
Though, I did lap the intake and exhaust in that cylinder and everything se=
emed to be seating properly.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
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</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
Thanks for everyone's feedback,</div>
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"yiv6354514897elementToProof">
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</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 8:02 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Robert Lang &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; FOT Triumph &lt;fot=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum
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Thanks Rich, Robert, and everyone else.</div>
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More digging..</div>
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White sludge in valve cover.</div>
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Watery oil in tappets.</div>
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Head is off and stripped, ready for the machine shop.</div>
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Strange that this morning before the third test, the oil was clear and clea=
n.</div>
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We'll see if the head or the block is the problem.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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With my recent luck, it could be both.</div>
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ng &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:45 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> FOT Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Anthony Parker &lt;solar=
[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The cooling of the radiator and temp spike seem to indicat=
e an air bubble in the system. It could get there from spot temps causing l=
ocalized boiling or it could come from a pressure leak from the combustion =
chamber or head
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If you think you have a cracked head or bad head gasket, t=
ry pressurizing the system and see if the pressure holds. Stant makes a too=
l like, there are probably others, but buy or borrow this tool. It takes al=
l the guess work
 out of such problems. My rule of thumb is to bring it up to cap pressure a=
nd see if it holds for at last 30 minutes (plus or minus a couple of lb is =
okay, but loosing half or more in less than 30 minutes is a dead giveaway.<=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I would also verify that the ignition timing is not too fa=
r advanced. Not that I ever had that problem. :-)</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Note that you can also use the Stant gauge to verify "norm=
al" system pressure - you want to do that to make sure your cap pressure wi=
ll keep the coolant from boiling.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Good luck figuring out the problem.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,</div>
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<div>On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 02:05:24 PM EDT, Anthony Parker via=
 Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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<span style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"yiv6354514897x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614=
122ContentPasted0">I'm having cooling problems.</span></div>
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Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.</div>
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Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<br clear=3D=
"none">
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<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"yiv6354514897x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv87186141=
22ContentPasted0">Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up w=
ith radiator hoses and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiat=
or will cool and coolant temp will spike to 230+.
 Radiator cold with sky high coolant temps.</div>
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22ContentPasted0">Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and=
 when I opened the radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) pres=
surized air and coolant shot everywhere.</div>
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rgb(255,255,255);" class=3D"yiv6354514897x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122Conten=
tPasted1">No thermostat and I have confirmed three times that system
 is completely full</span><br clear=3D"none">
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22ContentPasted0">Seems I have combustion gases getting into coolant and th=
en bubbles eventually removing pump prime.</div>
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Don't know what else it could be.</div>
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Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some "=
stop leak" product?</div>
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Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?</div>
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I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked b=
y two different trusted engine machinists.</div>
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Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.</div>
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 That's not uncommon, depending on which head & how much has been taken off=
 it; the thickness of the flat in the squish varies...
Glen Efinger

    On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 01:42:19 AM EDT, Anthony Parker via Fo=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">That's not uncommon, dependi=
ng on which head &amp; how much has been taken off it; the thickness of the=
 flat in the squish varies...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><=
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Well...</div>
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Finally took the five minutes that I should have weeks ago.</div>
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Put a straight edge across the head.</div>
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The squish zone above the #2 cylinder is literally squished.</div>
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As much at 0.01" toward the center of the cylinder, but more importantly, 0=
.007" between the coolant passages and the gasket sealing ring.</div>
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Cost myself a lot of time, money, and frustration.</div>
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Live and learn.</div>
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Will try to get the head surfaced tomorrow first thing and then go from the=
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Could be cracked inside the water jacket and the valve seats could be warpe=
d for all I know.</div>
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Though, I did lap the intake and exhaust in that cylinder and everything se=
emed to be seating properly.</div>
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Thanks for everyone's feedback,</div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</font>
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Thanks Rich, Robert, and everyone else.</div>
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More digging..</div>
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White sludge in valve cover.</div>
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Watery oil in tappets.</div>
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Head is off and stripped, ready for the machine shop.</div>
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Strange that this morning before the third test, the oil was clear and clea=
n.</div>
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We'll see if the head or the block is the problem.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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With my recent luck, it could be both.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:45 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> FOT Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Anthony Parker &lt;solar=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The cooling of the radiator and temp spike seem to indicat=
e an air bubble in the system. It could get there from spot temps causing l=
ocalized boiling or it could come from a pressure leak from the combustion =
chamber or head
 gasket.<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If you think you have a cracked head or bad head gasket, t=
ry pressurizing the system and see if the pressure holds. Stant makes a too=
l like, there are probably others, but buy or borrow this tool. It takes al=
l the guess work
 out of such problems. My rule of thumb is to bring it up to cap pressure a=
nd see if it holds for at last 30 minutes (plus or minus a couple of lb is =
okay, but loosing half or more in less than 30 minutes is a dead giveaway.<=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I would also verify that the ignition timing is not too fa=
r advanced. Not that I ever had that problem. :-)</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Note that you can also use the Stant gauge to verify "norm=
al" system pressure - you want to do that to make sure your cap pressure wi=
ll keep the coolant from boiling.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Good luck figuring out the problem.</div>
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<div>On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 02:05:24 PM EDT, Anthony Parker via=
 Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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<span style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"ydp340dfabfyiv6152279711x_x_ydpf09cc1f=
eyiv8718614122ContentPasted0">I'm having cooling problems.</span></div>
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r:rgb(255,255,255);" class=3D"ydp340dfabfyiv6152279711x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv871=
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Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.</div>
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Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<br clear=3D=
"none">
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<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"ydp340dfabfyiv6152279711x_x_ydpf09cc1fe=
yiv8718614122ContentPasted0">Over three trials, the engine will run fine an=
d warm up with radiator hoses and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses=
 and radiator will cool and coolant temp will spike to 230+.
 Radiator cold with sky high coolant temps.</div>
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<div style=3D"margin:0px;" class=3D"ydp340dfabfyiv6152279711x_x_ydpf09cc1fe=
yiv8718614122ContentPasted0">Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very =
quickly and when I opened the radiator cap this morning (after cooling all =
night) pressurized air and coolant shot everywhere.</div>
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ound-color:rgb(255,255,255);" class=3D"ydp340dfabfyiv6152279711x_x_ydpf09cc=
1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted1">No thermostat and I have confirmed three ti=
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 is completely full</span><br clear=3D"none">
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yiv8718614122ContentPasted0">Seems I have combustion gases getting into coo=
lant and then bubbles eventually removing pump prime.</div>
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Don't know what else it could be.</div>
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Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some "=
stop leak" product?</div>
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Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?</div>
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I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked b=
y two different trusted engine machinists.</div>
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Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.</div>
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Spare race prepped head???

What is that?

This is my first season in the GT6 after a 15-year build.  Haven't had the =
time or money to make spares yet.
That's what winter in NH is for.

Got the head shaved this morning.  Everything back together and running nor=
mally.

Thanks for everyone's help and wish me luck, Anthony.

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From: Mike Munson <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 8:13 AM
To: Anthony Parker <[email-masked]>; FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

I had the same problem back in 2016-2017.  I tried everything including cra=
ck checking the head. Changing out the head solved the problem. Hopefully y=
ou have an extra race prepared head.
I have seen casting leak on other cars due to lack of casting density.

Mike Munson #28 EP TR6

Well...

Live and learn.

More digging..

Regards,
Bob Lang

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Spare race prepped head???</div>
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What is that?</div>
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This is my first season in the GT6 after a 15-year build.&nbsp; Haven't had=
 the time or money to make spares yet.</div>
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That's what winter in NH is for.</div>
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Got the head shaved this morning.&nbsp; Everything back together and runnin=
g normally.</div>
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Thanks for everyone's help and wish me luck, Anthony.</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Mike Munson &lt;fastt=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 25, 2023 8:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Anthony Parker &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; FOT Triumph &lt;fot=
@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum</font>
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<div>I had the same problem back in 2016-2017. &nbsp;I tried everything inc=
luding crack checking the head. Changing out the head solved&nbsp;the probl=
em. Hopefully you have an extra race prepared head.
<div>I have seen casting leak on other cars due to lack of casting density.=
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On Monday, September 25, 2023, 1:40 AM, Anthony Parker via Fot &lt;fot@auto=
x.team.net&gt; wrote:</p>
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Well...</div>
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Finally took the five minutes that I should have weeks ago.</div>
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Put a straight edge across the head.</div>
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The squish zone above the #2 cylinder is literally squished.</div>
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As much at 0.01&quot; toward the center of the cylinder, but more important=
ly, 0.007&quot; between the coolant passages and the gasket sealing ring.</=
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Cost myself a lot of time, money, and frustration.</div>
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Live and learn.</div>
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Will try to get the head surfaced tomorrow first thing and then go from the=
re.</div>
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Could be cracked inside the water jacket and the valve seats could be warpe=
d for all I know.</div>
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Though, I did lap the intake and exhaust in that cylinder and everything se=
emed to be seating properly.</div>
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Thanks for everyone's feedback,</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"x_yiv6354514897divRplyFwdMsg"><b>From:</b> Fot &lt;f=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Anthony Parker via Fot &lt;fot@a=
utox.team.net&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 8:02 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Robert Lang &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; FOT Triumph &lt;fot=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum
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Thanks Rich, Robert, and everyone else.</div>
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More digging..</div>
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White sludge in valve cover.</div>
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Watery oil in tappets.</div>
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Head is off and stripped, ready for the machine shop.</div>
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Strange that this morning before the third test, the oil was clear and clea=
n.</div>
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We'll see if the head or the block is the problem.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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With my recent luck, it could be both.</div>
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Lang &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:45 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> FOT Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Anthony Parker &lt;solar=
[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The cooling of the radiator and temp spike seem to indicat=
e an air bubble in the system. It could get there from spot temps causing l=
ocalized boiling or it could come from a pressure leak from the combustion =
chamber or head gasket.<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If you think you have a cracked head or bad head gasket, t=
ry pressurizing the system and see if the pressure holds. Stant makes a too=
l like, there are probably others, but buy or borrow this tool. It takes al=
l the guess work out of such problems.
 My rule of thumb is to bring it up to cap pressure and see if it holds for=
 at last 30 minutes (plus or minus a couple of lb is okay, but loosing half=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I would also verify that the ignition timing is not too fa=
r advanced. Not that I ever had that problem. :-)</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Note that you can also use the Stant gauge to verify &quot=
;normal&quot; system pressure - you want to do that to make sure your cap p=
ressure will keep the coolant from boiling.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Good luck figuring out the problem.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,</div>
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<div>On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 02:05:24 PM EDT, Anthony Parker via=
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<span class=3D"x_yiv6354514897x_x_ydpf09cc1feyiv8718614122ContentPasted0" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px">I'm having cooling problems.</span></div>
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Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.</div>
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Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<br clear=3D=
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Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses=
 and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and c=
oolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high coolant temps.<=
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Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the=
 radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and co=
olant shot everywhere.</div>
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Seems I have combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventua=
lly removing pump prime.</div>
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Don't know what else it could be.</div>
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Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some &=
quot;stop leak&quot; product?</div>
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I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked b=
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Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.</div>
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