Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons

From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:28:25 +0000 (UTC)

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I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins =
in the pistons.=C2=A0 The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and =
most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.=C2=
=A0 These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can sq=
ueeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pis=
tons.=C2=A0 The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the hol=
es in the ends.=C2=A0 See attached picture.
These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.=C2=A0 =
I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have=
.=C2=A0 Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to instal=
l these?=C2=A0 Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing th=
em?=C2=A0 Thanks.
Jack Wheeler

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=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I am trying to install the snap rings which =
hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings I have =
used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, ha=
ve small holes in the ends.&nbsp; These allow you to insert snap ring plier=
s into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the groove=
s in the piston bores.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC eng=
ine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings that ca=
me with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.&nbsp; See attached=
 picture.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squ=
eeze them in by hand.&nbsp; I also can't figure out a way to grip them with=
 the snap ring pliers I have.&nbsp; Does anyone know if there is a special =
tool I need to use to install these?&nbsp; Or any suggestions about how I s=
hould go about installing them?&nbsp; Thanks.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jack Wheele=
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From: Tony Drews via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 12:45:17 -0600

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I've been able to use a small thin screwdriver to work them in. Put the 
end in the wrist pin hole and angle the blade to compress the ring.  
Hard to describe.  I go as far as I can by hand and then use the 
screwdriver to get more leverage.  There's got to be a special purpose 
tool too.

- Tony Drews

On 1/22/2023 11:28 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote:
> I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) 
> pins in the pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines 
> and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the 
> ends.  These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so 
> you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston 
> bores.
>
> I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought 
> new pistons.  The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have 
> the holes in the ends.  See attached picture.
>
> These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  
> I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I 
> have.  Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to 
> install these?  Or any suggestions about how I should go about 
> installing them?  Thanks.
>
> Jack Wheeler
>
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    <p>I've been able to use a small thin screwdriver to work them in. 
      Put the end in the wrist pin hole and angle the blade to compress
      the ring.  Hard to describe.  I go as far as I can by hand and
      then use the screwdriver to get more leverage.  There's got to be
      a special purpose tool too.</p>
    <p>- Tony Drews<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/22/2023 11:28 AM, Jack Wheeler via
      Fot wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I am trying to install the
          snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the
          pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and
          most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in
          the ends.  These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the
          holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the
          grooves in the piston bores.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I am assembling a Ford 1600
          CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.  The snap
          rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in
          the ends.  See attached picture.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">These snap rings are very
          stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  I also can't
          figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I
          have.  Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to
          use to install these?  Or any suggestions about how I should
          go about installing them?  Thanks.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Jack Wheeler<br>
        </div>
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From: Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 20:42:10 +0000 (UTC)

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 Jack,I have these style clips on the Wiseco pistons I've recently purchase=
d for TR3, TR6 and Sprite engines. I didn't have any issue getting them in =
or out (to quote Tony "don't ask me why I know this"). I put one end in and=
 then just press it in as I push it towards the center. I used a piece of w=
ood dowel with a slot sawn into it to help. A small scribe in the notch wor=
ked fine to get them started out and didn't damage the piston or coating.
Hope this helps!Jake
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM CST, Jack Wheeler via Fot <f=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins=
 in the pistons.=C2=A0 The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and=
 most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.=C2=
=A0 These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can sq=
ueeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pis=
tons.=C2=A0 The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the hol=
es in the ends.=C2=A0 See attached picture.
These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.=C2=A0 =
I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have=
.=C2=A0 Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to instal=
l these?=C2=A0 Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing th=
em?=C2=A0 Thanks.
Jack Wheeler
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jack,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false">I have these style clips on the Wiseco pistons I've r=
ecently purchased for TR3, TR6 and Sprite engines. I didn't have any issue =
getting them in or out (to quote Tony "don't ask me why I know this"). I pu=
t one end in and then just press it in as I push it towards the center. I u=
sed a piece of wood dowel with a slot sawn into it to help. A small scribe =
in the notch worked fine to get them started out and didn't damage the pist=
on or coating.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hope this helps!</div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false">Jake</div><div><br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"ydp4b8a9921yahoo_quoted_4461441811" class=3D"ydp4b=
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM CST, Jack Wh=
eeler via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp4b8a9921yiv3236318112"><div><div style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px=
;" class=3D"ydp4b8a9921yiv3236318112yahoo-style-wrap"><div dir=3D"ltr">I am=
 trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in t=
he pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most=
 of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.&nbsp; T=
hese allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze=
 the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine =
for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings that came w=
ith these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.&nbsp; See attached pic=
ture.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">These snap rings are=
 very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.&nbsp; I also can't figure =
out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.&nbsp; Does anyone =
know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?&nbsp; Or an=
y suggestions about how I should go about installing them?&nbsp; Thanks.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jack Wheeler<br></div></div>=
</div></div>_______________________________________________<br><a href=3D"m=
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From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 21:47:23 +0000 (UTC)

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I would recommend Spirolox if the grooves are wide enough to take them.
Phil Gott

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>; Jack Wheeler <[email-masked]>
Cc: J.S. Zimmerman <[email-masked]>; Eva Golding <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2023 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons

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lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">I would recommend Spirolox if the grooves are wide enough to =
take them.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:10pt;color:black;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Phil Gott<br><br><br>-----Original =
Message-----<br>From: Erik Jacobsen via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>T=
o: FOT Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Jack Wheeler &lt;jwheeler1947@ya=
hoo.com&gt;<br>Cc: J.S. Zimmerman &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Eva Golding &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2023 3:57 pm<br>Subject: Re: =
[Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv8104587892"><div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-si=
ze:16px;" class=3D"yiv8104587892ydpd18d26fbyahoo-style-wrap"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Jack,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I have these style cli=
ps on the Wiseco pistons I've recently purchased for TR3, TR6 and Sprite en=
gines. I didn't have any issue getting them in or out (to quote Tony "don't=
 ask me why I know this"). I put one end in and then just press it in as I =
push it towards the center. I used a piece of wood dowel with a slot sawn i=
nto it to help. A small scribe in the notch worked fine to get them started=
 out and didn't damage the piston or coating.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hope this helps!</div><div dir=3D"ltr">J=
ake</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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                    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM CST, Jack Wh=
eeler via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><div id=3D"yiv8104587892ydp4b8a9921yiv3236318112"><div=
><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;" class=3D"yiv8104587892ydp4b8a9921yiv3236318112yahoo-style-wra=
p"><div dir=3D"ltr">I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wr=
ist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings I have used on the=
 TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small ho=
les in the ends.&nbsp; These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the =
holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the pi=
ston bores.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pi=
stons.&nbsp; The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the ho=
les in the ends.&nbsp; See attached picture.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">These snap rings are very stiff and I can=
't squeeze them in by hand.&nbsp; I also can't figure out a way to grip the=
m with the snap ring pliers I have.&nbsp; Does anyone know if there is a sp=
ecial tool I need to use to install these?&nbsp; Or any suggestions about h=
ow I should go about installing them?&nbsp; Thanks.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jack Wheeler<br clear=3D"none"></d=
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From: fubog1 via Fot <[email-masked]>
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 It's likely that you'll find a rounded/radiused-cut groove in the piston t=
o accomodate the round clip, a square-section substitute circlip won't seat=
 properly.A tiny screwdriver & some patience will do the job but yeah they =
suck!
Glen Efinger=20
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From: Steve Yott via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: Jack Wheeler <[email-masked]>; FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
Cc: J.S. Zimmerman <[email-masked]>; Eva Golding <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2023 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons

I have seen a ton of retaining rings in my life but those take the dumb cak=
e.=C2=A0 I would recommend measuring the needed size and order them from Mc=
Master Carr.=C2=A0 Even if you install those the next person will need to b=
ugger up the pistons to get them out!
Steve Yott

Steve Yott

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m.net> Date: 1/22/23 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph <[email-masked]=
et> Cc: "J.S. Zimmerman" <[email-masked]>, Eva Golding <[email-masked]=
m> Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons=20
I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins =
in the pistons.=C2=A0 The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and =
most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.=C2=
=A0 These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can sq=
ueeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pis=
tons.=C2=A0 The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the hol=
es in the ends.=C2=A0 See attached picture.
These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.=C2=A0 =
I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have=
.=C2=A0 Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to instal=
l these?=C2=A0 Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing th=
em?=C2=A0 Thanks.
Jack Wheeler
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<div> <font size="2">It's likely that you'll find a rounded/radiused-cut groove in the piston to accomodate the round clip, a square-section substitute circlip won't seat properly.</font></div>

<div><font size="2">A tiny screwdriver &amp; some patience will do the job but yeah they suck!</font></div>

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Cc: J.S. Zimmerman &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Eva Golding &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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<div>I have seen a ton of retaining rings in my life but those take the dumb cake.&nbsp; I would recommend measuring the needed size and order them from McMaster Carr.&nbsp; Even if you install those the next person will need to bugger up the pistons to get them out!</div>

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<div dir="ltr">I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.&nbsp; These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.</div>

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<div dir="ltr">I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.&nbsp; See attached picture.</div>

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<div dir="ltr">These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.&nbsp; I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.&nbsp; Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?&nbsp; Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?&nbsp; Thanks.</div>

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Yes, push the side of the ring that is 180 degrees from the opening in with=
 a screwdriver or something small with a notch. Once inserted, rotate into =
place.

Thanks,

Chuck Watson
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 1:45:17 PM
To: Jack Wheeler <[email-masked]>; FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
Cc: J.S. Zimmerman <[email-masked]>; Eva Golding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons

I've been able to use a small thin screwdriver to work them in.  Put the en=
d in the wrist pin hole and angle the blade to compress the ring.  Hard to =
describe.  I go as far as I can by hand and then use the screwdriver to get=
 more leverage.  There's got to be a special purpose tool too.

- Tony Drews

On 1/22/2023 11:28 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote:
I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins =
in the pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most =
of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.  These a=
llow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the s=
nap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.

I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pis=
tons.  The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in=
 the ends.  See attached picture.

These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  I als=
o can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.  Do=
es anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?  =
Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?  Thanks.

Jack Wheeler

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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 22, 2023 1:45:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jack Wheeler &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; FOT Triumph &lt;fot=
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<p>I've been able to use a small thin screwdriver to work them in.&nbsp; Pu=
t the end in the wrist pin hole and angle the blade to compress the ring.&n=
bsp; Hard to describe.&nbsp; I go as far as I can by hand and then use the =
screwdriver to get more leverage.&nbsp; There's got
 to be a special purpose tool too.</p>
<p>- Tony Drews<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">On 1/22/2023 11:28 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fo=
t wrote:<br>
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tica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:13px">
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I am trying to install the snap ring=
s which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings=
 I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have reb=
uilt, have small holes in the ends.&nbsp; These
 allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the=
 snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engin=
e for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings that came=
 with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.&nbsp; See attached p=
icture.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">These snap rings are very stiff and =
I can't squeeze them in by hand.&nbsp; I also can't figure out a way to gri=
p them with the snap ring pliers I have.&nbsp; Does anyone know if there is=
 a special tool I need to use to install these?&nbsp;
 Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?&nbsp; Than=
ks.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
</div>
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Hi Jack,
I purchased the same style clips from Wiseco for good used 87mm Hepolite pistons when I first built my TR3 engine.  I don't recall having any problems installing them.  But, on a recent tear down, there was no way I was going to get the clips out without damaging the pistons.  Luckily everything was in great condition, so I just kept them on the rods and they'll go back in the engine.  It was even suggested that the rods bearing could be reused as they looked excellent.  However, I did renew the bearings and a new set of rings will be used.  The engine had 19 race weekends on it and over 5,500 miles of street use.  The stock crank was crack checked and polished and same main bearings are going back in.  
Dave H. 

>     On 01/22/2023 12:42 PM Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Jack,
>     I have these style clips on the Wiseco pistons I've recently purchased for TR3, TR6 and Sprite engines. I didn't have any issue getting them in or out (to quote Tony "don't ask me why I know this"). I put one end in and then just press it in as I push it towards the center. I used a piece of wood dowel with a slot sawn into it to help. A small scribe in the notch worked fine to get them started out and didn't damage the piston or coating.
> 
>     Hope this helps!
>     Jake
> 
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>     I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.  These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
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>     I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.  The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.  See attached picture.
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>     These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.  Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?  Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?  Thanks.
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   <span style="font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I purchased the same style clips from Wiseco for good used 87mm Hepolite pistons when I first built my TR3 engine.&nbsp; I don't recall having any problems installing them.&nbsp; But, on a recent tear down, there was no way I was going to get the clips out without damaging the pistons.&nbsp; Luckily everything was in great condition, so I just kept them on the rods and they'll go back in the engine.&nbsp; It was even suggested that the rods bearing could be reused as they looked excellent.&nbsp; However, I did renew the bearings and a new set of rings will be used.&nbsp; The engine had 19 race weekends on it and over 5,500 miles of street use.&nbsp; The stock crank was crack checked and polished and same main bearings are going back in.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
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          I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.&nbsp; These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
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          I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.&nbsp; See attached picture.
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          These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.&nbsp; I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.&nbsp; Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?&nbsp; Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?&nbsp; Thanks.
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Yes, the rounded groove for the retaining clip is why I used the round wire clip from Wiseco.  It was one I could find that was the same thickness as the original factory clips.  But this design, without an easy way to grab it, is for pistons that have a recess that allows a tool to get behind the clip just enough to remove it.  
In my case, this will most likely be the last service for these pistons, so damage to them during the next disassembly won't be a problem. 
Dave H.

>     On 01/22/2023 2:10 PM fubog1 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>     It's likely that you'll find a rounded/radiused-cut groove in the piston to accomodate the round clip, a square-section substitute circlip won't seat properly.
>     A tiny screwdriver & some patience will do the job but yeah they suck!
> 
>     Glen Efinger
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>     I have seen a ton of retaining rings in my life but those take the dumb cake.  I would recommend measuring the needed size and order them from McMaster Carr.  Even if you install those the next person will need to bugger up the pistons to get them out!
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   <span style="font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Yes, the rounded groove for the retaining clip is why I used the round wire clip from Wiseco.&nbsp; It was one I could find that was the same thickness as the original factory clips.&nbsp; But this design, without an easy way to grab it, is for pistons that have a recess that allows a tool to get behind the clip just enough to remove it.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
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          I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.&nbsp; These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
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          I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.&nbsp; See attached picture.
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          These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.&nbsp; I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.&nbsp; Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?&nbsp; Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?&nbsp; Thanks.
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Generally pistons have a slot machined into the bottom edge of the =
piston pin hole that is intended to allow a very small srewdriver to be =
inserted under the clip. If there isn=E2=80=99t one (as with some =
motorcycles) you can push an exacto blade under the clip near the open =
end and lever the clip out. Easier to do than to explain. The clip will =
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> On Jan 22, 2023, at 11:36 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked]> =
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> Hi Jack,=20
> I purchased the same style clips from Wiseco for good used 87mm =
Hepolite pistons when I first built my TR3 engine.  I don't recall =
having any problems installing them.  But, on a recent tear down, there =
was no way I was going to get the clips out without damaging the =
pistons.  Luckily everything was in great condition, so I just kept them =
on the rods and they'll go back in the engine.  It was even suggested =
that the rods bearing could be reused as they looked excellent.  =
However, I did renew the bearings and a new set of rings will be used.  =
The engine had 19 race weekends on it and over 5,500 miles of street =
use.  The stock crank was crack checked and polished and same main =
bearings are going back in. =20
> Dave H.=20
>> On 01/22/2023 12:42 PM Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]> =
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>> Jack,
>> I have these style clips on the Wiseco pistons I've recently =
purchased for TR3, TR6 and Sprite engines. I didn't have any issue =
getting them in or out (to quote Tony "don't ask me why I know this"). I =
put one end in and then just press it in as I push it towards the =
center. I used a piece of wood dowel with a slot sawn into it to help. A =
small scribe in the notch worked fine to get them started out and didn't =
damage the piston or coating.
>>=20
>> Hope this helps!
>> Jake
>>=20
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM CST, Jack Wheeler via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) =
pins in the pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines =
and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the =
ends.  These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you =
can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston =
bores.
>>=20
>> I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought =
new pistons.  The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have =
the holes in the ends.  See attached picture.
>>=20
>> These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  =
I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I =
have.  Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to =
install these?  Or any suggestions about how I should go about =
installing them?  Thanks.
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purchased the same style clips from Wiseco for good used 87mm Hepolite =
pistons when I first built my TR3 engine.&nbsp; I don't recall having =
any problems installing them.&nbsp; But, on a recent tear down, there =
was no way I was going to get the clips out without damaging the =
pistons.&nbsp; Luckily everything was in great condition, so I just kept =
them on the rods and they'll go back in the engine.&nbsp; It was even =
suggested that the rods bearing could be reused as they looked =
excellent.&nbsp; However, I did renew the bearings and a new set of =
rings will be used.&nbsp; The engine had 19 race weekends on it and over =
5,500 miles of street use.&nbsp; The stock crank was crack checked and =
polished and same main bearings are going back in.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
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    On 01/22/2023 12:42 PM Erik Jacobsen via Fot &lt;<a =
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     Jack,
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     I have these style clips on the Wiseco pistons I've recently =
purchased for TR3, TR6 and Sprite engines. I didn't have any issue =
getting them in or out (to quote Tony "don't ask me why I know this"). I =
put one end in and then just press it in as I push it towards the =
center. I used a piece of wood dowel with a slot sawn into it to help. A =
small scribe in the notch worked fine to get them started out and didn't =
damage the piston or coating.
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     Hope this helps!
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     Jake
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      On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM CST, Jack Wheeler via =
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          I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist =
(gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings I have used on the =
TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small =
holes in the ends.&nbsp; These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into =
the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in =
the piston bores.
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          I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have =
bought new pistons.&nbsp; The snap rings that came with these pistons do =
not have the holes in the ends.&nbsp; See attached picture.
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          These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by =
hand.&nbsp; I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap =
ring pliers I have.&nbsp; Does anyone know if there is a special tool I =
need to use to install these?&nbsp; Or any suggestions about how I =
should go about installing them?&nbsp; Thanks.
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