Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

From: Steve Yott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 11:06:25 -0600

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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 20:28:06 -0800

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/div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dad flew Corsairs, in WWII=E2=80=A6 &nbsp;perhaps we w=
as spoiled as a teenager by being an officer with his own pit crew of sorts?=
 &nbsp;He had a story of having his commander rip him a new one for taking o=
ff his shirt, and encouraging some other pilots to do the same, to help the e=
nlisted men with the dirty job of cleaning the cosmoline off a newly shipped=
 Corsair. &nbsp;(Officers don=E2=80=99t do that!)</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I don=E2=80=99t know where he got the idea that old c=
ars shouldn=E2=80=99t be on freeways, etc.!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Scott, we were both fortunate!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;&lt; &nbsp;my dad . . . was already very uncomfor=
table with me driving a car =E2=80=9CThat should only be used in parades.=E2=
=80=9D &nbsp;&nbsp;&gt;&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">And, once again, I am reminded of how fortunate I was=
 to have Jerry Barr as my dad.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Scott (B.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <=
b>On Behalf Of
</b>J Wagner via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 20, 2023 12:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Harmuth &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; fubog1 &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">When I was 16, &nbsp;I was backing my TR4A into a par=
king space at my high school and I was jolted to a stop. &nbsp;I was quite c=
onfused as I was surely still a few feet away from the car parked behind me!=
 &nbsp;I got out to look. &nbsp;=E2=80=9CNope, nothing there!=E2=80=9D<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So I pulled forward a little and tried again. &nbsp;B=
ang! I was brought to a stop again!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was 16 and knew nothing about broken gears locking u=
p in a differential, but I instinctively put it together in my mind and knew=
 that was the only possibility! &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I limped it home very slowly without incident. &nbsp;=
I found a used IRS differential and switch them out. &nbsp;Then I opened up t=
he old one and there it was, a big broken tooth rolling around the bottom an=
d scars on the case where it had wedged.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your images remind me how lucky I was that it didn=E2=
=80=99t happen at speed. &nbsp;And so glad that my dad was never aware of th=
e whole affair and what could have happened, as he was already very uncomfor=
table with me driving a car =E2=80=9CThat should only
 be used in parades.=E2=80=9D (They were like Model A=E2=80=99s to him, even=
 though the car was only 11 years old in 1978!)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for sharing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=94Justin&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jan 20, 2023, at 10=
:39 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fot@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have a close ratio set from a TR7 in a Spitfire 3 r=
ail box. John at Quantium makes them up. He has the input shaft cut down and=
 hardened to match whatever Triumph they're attached to. I'm using a 10 spli=
ne version to fit a 1296 SJ engine
 but he makes them for GT6 and 1500's as well. Full syncro, the only downsid=
e is,&nbsp;while&nbsp;close ratio rearing, 3rd gear isn't the optimum&nbsp;r=
ange for the torque curve of my engine.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rock solid, the only problem I had was when&nbsp;the d=
iff chipped a tooth. It locked up at speed and among&nbsp;other fun stuff tw=
isted the driveshaft, broke the tailpiece and bent the output shaft. The sam=
e gears are still in it, 15 years later.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">mike h<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;P1010697.JPG&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;tranny crack.jpg&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 12:03 PM Scott Janzen via Fot=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I use them, and have had occasion to replace them onc=
e due to clearance issues..<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jan 17, 2023, at 10:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">I'm using one.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">Wouldn't mind having another one.&nbs=
p; Should have bought one when they were available at $600 or what ever it w=
as.&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">It's difficult to understand the reas=
oning behind not letting a more modern and available option to be used.&nbsp=
; Toyota, Miata, T5 or what ever.&nbsp; Had I known that
 to date, absolutely no tech inspector would ever even look at or question m=
y gear box or if I was using rack and pinion steering, I may have gone that r=
oute in the first place.&nbsp; I don't think these items make the car or dri=
ver go much faster and spoil the
 competition.&nbsp; Some are using these already anyhow.&nbsp; I've heard th=
e argument many times, that basically the original option with over-drive ha=
d 7 gears.&nbsp; Why wouldn't any 5-speed be allowed.&nbsp;
<a href=3D"http://Thegridsaregettingsmaller.com" target=3D"_blank">Thegridsa=
regettingsmaller.com</a>.&nbsp; I like to add .com. to anything.&nbsp; And, I=
'<a href=3D"http://mnotsleepingverywellthesedays.com" target=3D"_blank">mnot=
sleepingverywellthesedays.com</a>.&nbsp; That sort
 of thing...com.&nbsp; &nbsp;Gdamn$<a href=3D"http://85sycrorings.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">85sycrorings.com</a>.&nbsp;
<a href=3D"http://Hehehe.com" target=3D"_blank">Hehehe.com</a>. <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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