Subject: Re: [Fot] Used / dated racing belts

From: Brian Schirano via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 16:33:14 -0400

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I started that question in the winter months. I think Terry was looking for
two red sets to match her car. I gave away three sets to various people for
purposes that didn't require the date code restrictions we have.

Brian

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> I=E2=80=99ve got two five point cam lock.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I started that question in the winter months. I think Terr=
y was looking for two red sets to match her car. I gave away three sets to =
various people for purposes that didn&#39;t require the date code restricti=
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ote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:22 PM S=
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1ex">I can=E2=80=99t remember- is there a good way to pass on outdated raci=
ng harness? I=E2=80=99ve got two five point cam lock.<br>
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From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 13:45:19 -0700

On 6/3/21 1:33 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote:
> I started that question in the winter months. I think Terry was 
> looking for two red sets to match her car. I gave away three sets to 
> various people for purposes that didn't require the date code 
> restrictions we have.

I'm looking for a pair of black latch and link type lap belts, 
preferably 3" wide. Money has been tight so very good condition out of 
date will be OK.

TeriAnn

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From: "John H. Hasty via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 22:05:11 +0000

Maybe I’m just paranoid from 51 years of defending law suits, but I would be very cautious about giving/selling outdated safety equipment.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> I can’t remember- is there a good way to pass on outdated racing harness? I’ve got two five point cam lock.
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From: Rocky Entriken via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:38:26 -0500

IMHO, depends on whom it's sold to. As in, what are the rules of the 
activity your buyer intends?

I have sold outdated racing harnesses to autocrossers, rules for which have 
no expiration dates. The harness is still dated (don't take the tag off!). 
If the guy tries to take it racing, a tech inspector will (should) check it. 
Caveat emptor! Many times the autocrosser just wants to "update" from the 
car's OEM belts.

FWIW, I went racing (SCCA) in 1977-80. Then "life" intruded and I didn’t 
race again until 1995. I autocrossed that whole time using belts dated 1977. 
Had to buy new ones in '95, and every three years after that.

--Rocky Entriken

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Used / dated racing belts

Maybe I’m just paranoid from 51 years of defending law suits, but I would be 
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From: Chip Collingwood via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 18:39:00 -0400

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Scott,

I usually just got my belts re-webbed unless I was for some reason changing
the latching. More reasonable than buying a new set. I believe most re-web
services get you new eyelets as well, so all new except for latch.

Chip

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<div dir=3D"auto">Scott,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I usu=
ally just got my belts re-webbed unless I was for some=C2=A0reason changing=
 the latching. More reasonable than buying a new set. I believe most re-web=
 services get you new eyelets as well, so all new except for latch.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Chip</div></div><br><div class=
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uld be very cautious about giving/selling outdated safety equipment.<br>
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From: Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 09:28:28 -0400

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Chip - in the past, I=E2=80=99ve done what you suggested.  This time =
around, Pyrotect seemed to have some staffing/logistics issues, so after =
getting they got it wrong twice I just had them ship me new belts.

John - having just had a conversation with my lawyer/litigator neighbor =
on another subject, he mentioned the issue of seller liability.  I think =
I=E2=80=99ll heed your advice and just ditch these.  The odds of them =
fitting any other car are slim anyway.

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Scott,

I usually just got my belts re-webbed unless I was for some reason =
changing the latching. More reasonable than buying a new set. I believe =
most re-web services get you new eyelets as well, so all new except for =
latch.

Chip

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Maybe I=E2=80=99m just paranoid from 51 years of defending law suits, =
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