Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets

From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:27:30 -0500

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Joe;
We=E2=80=99ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Pe=
rmatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases.
In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it=
 may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that=
 issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really g=
ood stuff!  Thanks to Ken Knight for  the recommendation.
We=E2=80=99ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well.=
 Much easier than soaked felt....
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Thanks David.  Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, bu=
t they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution.  They did suggest not=
 to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents=
 (which is what gasoline is).  I looked at the instructions for Permatex Ind=
ian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic s=
olvents.  The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aro=
matic solvents.  Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using I=
ndian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). =20
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> Thanks for bringing this issue to light.  Joe B.
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> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott <triumphsix@yahoo=
.com> wrote:
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> Hi Joe,
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> Here=E2=80=99s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed c=
lean by Driven XP3.  You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon r=
emoval, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap.   Neve=
r happened before running the oil.  Hondabond held up just fine afterwards.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Joe;<div>We=E2=80=99ve used the two of them=
 together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the re=
ar main seal cap sides in both cases.<div>In fairness, in that application i=
t takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely befor=
e we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synt=
hetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! &nbsp;Thanks to Ken Kn=
ight for &nbsp;the recommendation.</div><div>We=E2=80=99ve switched to Perma=
tex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt..=
..</div><div>Phil Gott<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe B=
oruch &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydp8ac71bcbyahoo-sty=
le-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;f=
ont-size:13px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Thanks David.&nbsp; Driven sa=
ys that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have a=
n issue with fuel dilution.&nbsp; They did suggest not to use the Aviation P=
ermatex, since it can be affected by <span><span style=3D"color: rgb(38, 40,=
 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">aromatic s=
olvents (which is what gasoline is)</span></span>.&nbsp; I looked at the ins=
tructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that i=
t is affected by aromatic solvents.&nbsp; The instructions for Aviation Perm=
atex say that is affected by aromatic solvents.&nbsp; Looks like for my next=
 build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed t=
o be un PC by then).&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Thanks for bringing this i=
ssue to light.&nbsp; Joe B.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data=
-setdir=3D"false"><br></div>
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                    On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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Hi Joe,<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Here=E2=80=99s some pictures of th=
e felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. &nbsp;You can s=
ee the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex=
 parted along the seam of the block/cap. &nbsp; Never happened before runnin=
g the oil. &nbsp;Hondabond held up just fine afterwards.</div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div><div class=3D"ydp1c628845yiv9309541554yqt3639321438" id=
=3D"ydp1c628845yiv9309541554yqt29763"><blockquote class=3D"ydp1c628845yiv930=
9541554iosymail"><div class=3D"ydp1c628845yiv9309541554yqt8099896322" id=3D"=
ydp1c628845yiv9309541554yqtfd01941"><br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote></b=
lockquote></blockquote></div></div>
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From: Joe Boruch via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 22:02:35 +0000 (UTC)

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 Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, o=
r are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic sealan=
t?=C2=A0 =C2=A0JoeB.
    On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@au=
tox.team.net> wrote: =20
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 Joe;We=E2=80=99ve used the two of them together in two different engines. =
The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both case=
s.In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so=
 it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had =
that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be re=
ally good stuff! =C2=A0Thanks to Ken Knight for =C2=A0the recommendation.We=
=E2=80=99ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. =
Much easier than soaked felt....Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

=EF=BB=BF Thanks David.=C2=A0 Driven says that their oils should not cause =
your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution.=C2=A0 =
They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected=
 by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is).=C2=A0 I looked at the in=
structions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that=
 it is affected by aromatic solvents.=C2=A0 The instructions for Aviation P=
ermatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents.=C2=A0 Looks like for my =
next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been dee=
med to be un PC by then).=C2=A0=C2=A0
Thanks for bringing this issue to light.=C2=A0 Joe B.

    On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott <triumphsix@ya=
hoo.com> wrote: =20
=20
 Hi Joe,
Here=E2=80=99s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed c=
lean by Driven XP3. =C2=A0You can see the cement is washed out of the felts=
 upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap=
. =C2=A0 Never happened before running the oil. =C2=A0Hondabond held up jus=
t fine afterwards.

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Phil, how are you using the =
Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, or are you filling the gap whe=
re the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant?&nbsp; &nbsp;JoeB.</div><di=
v><br></div>
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                    On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott=
 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226"><div>Joe;<div>We=
=E2=80=99ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Per=
matex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases.<div>=
In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so i=
t may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had th=
at issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be real=
ly good stuff! &nbsp;Thanks to Ken Knight for &nbsp;the recommendation.</di=
v><div>We=E2=80=99ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works ve=
ry well. Much easier than soaked felt....</div><div>Phil Gott<br clear=3D"n=
one"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226yqt4161954403" id=3D"ydp6edb=
2764yiv6266475226yqtfd09427"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">O=
n Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br =
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"yd=
p6edb2764yiv6266475226yqt4161954403" id=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226yqtfd792=
68"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydp6e=
db2764yiv6266475226ydp8ac71bcbyahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvet=
ica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks David.&nbsp; Driven says that their oils sh=
ould not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel d=
ilution.&nbsp; They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it =
can be affected by <span><span style=3D"color:rgb(38, 40, 42);font-family:H=
elvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">aromatic solvents (which is w=
hat gasoline is)</span></span>.&nbsp; I looked at the instructions for Perm=
atex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by =
aromatic solvents.&nbsp; The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is=
 affected by aromatic solvents.&nbsp; Looks like for my next build that I w=
ill go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by =
then).&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Thanks for bringing this issue to light.&nbsp; Joe B.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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                    On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Got=
t &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226ydp1c628845yiv93095=
41554"><div>
Hi Joe,<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Here=E2=80=99s some pictures of t=
he felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. &nbsp;You can=
 see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the perma=
tex parted along the seam of the block/cap. &nbsp; Never happened before ru=
nning the oil. &nbsp;Hondabond held up just fine afterwards.</div><div><br =
clear=3D"none"></div><div><div class=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226ydp1c628845=
yiv9309541554yqt3639321438" id=3D"ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226ydp1c628845yiv930=
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