Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets

From: Dan Cronin via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 14:06:18 -0500

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Folks
Looking for some background information and recommendations on the =
preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each =
of you in your various engine re-builds.  And  any comments / =
observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am =
building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello =
rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a =
ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with =
diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife =
4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover.  Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 =
oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy =
pedestals.  BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed =
mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections.  The head =
chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even =
things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each.  I am =
planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 =
=E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D compression rings on the head side of the gasket =
that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side.  Gasket Works =
sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a =
liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003.  Am aiming at a compression ratio =
of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as =
possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right =
as I can.
DC

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and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that =
seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. =
&nbsp;And &nbsp;any comments / observations you choose to share either =
on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit =
from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank =
connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a =
Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with =
alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. =
&nbsp;Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. =
Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. &nbsp;BPNW 270 =
duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things =
up and remove prior imperfections. &nbsp;The head chambers have been =
mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a =
resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. &nbsp;I am planning on =
installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 =E2=80=9CO=E2=
=80=9D compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be =
sprayed with a copper coating on each side. &nbsp;Gasket Works sent a =
set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner =
protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. &nbsp;Am aiming at a compression ratio of =
around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible =
to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I =
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From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 07:33:08 -0500

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I agree with Marcel regarding the o-rings and liner protrusion dimensions. I=
 use the steel fo8 gaskets with no sealant. Just be sure everything is super=
 clean.=20
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2021, at 7:10 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:
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> Hi Dan,
> I've experience with the plain copper gaskets of Mordy Dunst, with or with=
out his stainless steel O-rings. In my opinion, there is no need of using O-=
rings on a wet liner engine because the liners are protruding above the engi=
ne block.
> If the liners are not protruding evenly (0.005-0.0075"), the O-rings will n=
ot make things better. I've used the  copper gaskets with the stainless stee=
l O-rings in a 4-cyl TR engine with welded liners  and also on a 6-cylinder T=
R engine with evenly spaced cylinders : as the liners are not protruding in t=
hese engines, the O-rings are useful and are working very well (together wit=
h the copper gaskets). As for the Fo8 gaskets : nothing is wrong with the co=
pper and aluminium gaskets that are available nowadays, there is a small dif=
ference in thickness. Of course, leaks can occur because of corrosion or whe=
n moving the crankshaft when the liners are not fixed.
> Marcel
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> Van: "fot" <[email-masked]>
> Aan: "Triumph List" <[email-masked]>, "fot" <[email-masked]>
> Verzonden: Vrijdag 5 februari 2021 20:06:18
> Onderwerp: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
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> Folks
> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferr=
ed Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in y=
our various engine re-builds.  And  any comments / observations you choose t=
o share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston an=
d liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy mai=
n crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a =
Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy d=
rive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover.  Stainless Steel v=
alves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rocker=
s on alloy pedestals.  BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 re=
moved mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections.  The head cha=
mbers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out w=
ith a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each.  I am planning on installing G=
asket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D compres=
sion rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper=
 coating on each side.  Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets th=
at has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003.  Am aimin=
g at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many=
 responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as clos=
e to right as I can.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I agree with Marcel regarding the o-rings a=
nd liner protrusion dimensions. I use the steel fo8 gaskets with no sealant.=
 Just be sure everything is super clean.&nbsp;<div>Phil Gott<br><br><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite">On Feb 6, 2021, at 7:10 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot &lt;fot@autox=
.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,=
 sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>Hi Dan,</div><div>I've ex=
perience with the plain copper gaskets of Mordy Dunst, with or without his s=
tainless steel O-rings. In my opinion, there is no need of using O-rings on a=
 wet liner engine because the liners are protruding above the engine block.<=
/div><div>If the liners are not protruding evenly (0.005-0.0075"), the O-rin=
gs will not make things better. I've used the&nbsp; copper gaskets with the s=
tainless steel O-rings in a 4-cyl TR engine with welded liners&nbsp; and als=
o on a 6-cylinder TR engine with evenly spaced cylinders : as the liners are=
 not protruding in these engines, the O-rings are useful and are working ver=
y well (together with the copper gaskets). As for the Fo8 gaskets : nothing i=
s wrong with the copper and aluminium gaskets that are available nowadays, t=
here is a small difference in thickness. Of course, leaks can occur because o=
f corrosion or when moving the crankshaft when the liners are not fixed.</di=
v><div>Marcel</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER_=
_"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"fot" &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;<br><b>Aan: </b>"Triumph List" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;, "fot" &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>Vrijdag 5 februari 2021 20:06:=
18<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>[Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets<br></div><div><br=
></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__">Folks<div class=3D"">Looking for=
 some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket=
 sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various e=
ngine re-builds. &nbsp;And &nbsp;any comments / observations you choose to s=
hare either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and l=
iner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main c=
rank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fid=
anza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy dri=
ve shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. &nbsp;Stainless Stee=
l valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller roc=
kers on alloy pedestals. &nbsp;BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0=
.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. &nbsp;=
The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even=
 things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. &nbsp;I am plann=
ing on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 =E2=80=9C=
O=E2=80=9D compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be spr=
ayed with a copper coating on each side. &nbsp;Gasket Works sent a set of Fo=
8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0=
025 to 0.003. &nbsp;Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- .=
 Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get=
 this critical step as close to right as I can.</div><div class=3D"">DC</div=
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From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
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Bob;
Thanks. I didn=E2=80=99t know about the JD sealant.=20
As far as drying, I ran a test and the anaerobic works best when it is not e=
xposed to air. As with Loctite, it sets up when isolated from air. I tried t=
o send some photos to Joe and all but I gather they didn=E2=80=99t make it. I=
=E2=80=99ll attach them in a smaller size to a separate email and hope for t=
he best.
Regards,
Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2021, at 8:14 AM, Bob Kramer <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Phil
>=20
> That anaerobic gasket maker may work but I think it is risky. I doubt it w=
ill ever dry out, with the outer layer setting up and sealing the inner laye=
rs. Maybe engine heat wil help. One man's opinion and we all know that every=
one got one........
>=20
> If I was going to try something I'd be tempted to use the Hylomar 101.  It=
 is ivory in color and is a room temperature vulcanising (RTV) silicone comp=
ound. They advertise that Hylosil 101 has good resistance to oils and aqueou=
s anti-freeze agents. Unlike general-purpose silicone
> sealants, Hylosil 101 contains no solvents and does not give off acetic ac=
id during cure.
>=20
> I used to use it to fill the gaps in the transmission mount, for better vi=
bration resistance and to hold it together when it inevitably split.  Now we=
 have the ARE trans mount.=20
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> This stuff is most easily acquired from a John Deere Dealership.
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> Bob Kramer
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>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:16 PM Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>> Joe:
>> We fill the gap completely with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all=
 surfaces well I use the tapered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the t=
rapezoid and then put a washer over the end to seal it up. Then I use one of=
 those toothpaste tube keys to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel int=
o the trapezoid. Keep squeezing until I see the gel come out of the chamfere=
d area at the base of the rear main cap. That way I know the trapezoidal vol=
ume is full.
>>=20
>> It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a caulk=
ing gun, but that=E2=80=99s kinda pricey (~$50).
>>=20
>> One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze,=
 even with the key, when they get near the end.
>>=20
>> Because it is anaerobic, the gel won=E2=80=99t set up near the oil pan su=
rface if you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works=
 well. You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or instal=
l the pan immediately. I have laid some =E2=80=9CUltra=E2=80=9D black rtv ri=
ght on top of the uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or with=
out gasket as you prefer) and had it all set up just fine.
>>=20
>> Hope this helps.
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Phil
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt,=
 or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic seala=
nt?   JoeB.
>>>=20
>>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Joe;
>>> We=E2=80=99ve used the two of them together in two different engines. Th=
e Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases.
>>> In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and s=
o it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had t=
hat issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be real=
ly good stuff!  Thanks to Ken Knight for  the recommendation.
>>> We=E2=80=99ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very w=
ell. Much easier than soaked felt....
>>> Phil Gott
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>> Thanks David.  Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue,=
 but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution.  They did suggest n=
ot to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solven=
ts (which is what gasoline is).  I looked at the instructions for Permatex I=
ndian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromati=
c solvents.  The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by a=
romatic solvents.  Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using=
 Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks for bringing this issue to light.  Joe B.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott <triumphsix@ya=
hoo.com> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>=20
>>>> Here=E2=80=99s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being wash=
ed clean by Driven XP3.  You can see the cement is washed out of the felts u=
pon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap.  =
 Never happened before running the oil.  Hondabond held up just fine afterwa=
rds.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Bob;<div>Thanks. I didn=E2=80=99t know abou=
t the JD sealant.&nbsp;</div><div>As far as drying, I ran a test and the ana=
erobic works best when it is not exposed to air. As with Loctite, it sets up=
 when isolated from air. I tried to send some photos to Joe and all but I ga=
ther they didn=E2=80=99t make it. I=E2=80=99ll attach them in a smaller size=
 to a separate email and hope for the best.</div><div>Regards,</div><div>Phi=
l<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 9, 2021, at 8:14 AM, Bob Kramer &lt;rkramer56@g=
mail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Phil</div><div><br></div><div>Th=
at anaerobic gasket maker may work but I think&nbsp;it is risky. I doubt it w=
ill ever dry out, with the outer layer setting up and sealing the inner laye=
rs.=20

Maybe engine heat wil help.

One man's opinion and we all know that everyone got one........</div><div><b=
r></div><div>If I was going to try something I'd be tempted to use the Hylom=
ar 101.&nbsp; It is ivory in color and is a room temperature vulcanising (RT=
V) silicone compound. They advertise that <i>Hylosil 101 has good resistance=
 to oils and aqueous&nbsp;anti-freeze agents. Unlike general-purpose silicon=
e</i></div><i>sealants, Hylosil 101 contains no solvents and does&nbsp;not g=
ive off acetic acid during cure.</i><div><i><br></i></div><div>I used to use=
 it to fill the gaps in the transmission mount, for better vibration resista=
nce and to hold it together when it inevitably split.&nbsp; Now we have the A=
RE trans mount.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>This stuff is most easily acq=
uired&nbsp;from a John Deere Dealership.<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv><br><img alt=3D"image.png" width=3D"308" height=3D"490" src=3D"cid:ii_kky=
0cuqv0"><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5=
:16 PM Phil Gott via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Joe:<div>We fill the gap complete=
ly with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all surfaces well I use the ta=
pered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the trapezoid and then put a wa=
sher over the end to seal it up. Then I use one of those toothpaste tube key=
s to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel into the trapezoid. Keep sque=
ezing until I see the gel come out of the chamfered area at the base of the r=
ear main cap. That way I know the trapezoidal volume is full.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with=
 a caulking gun, but that=E2=80=99s kinda pricey (~$50).</div><div><br></div=
><div>One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squee=
ze, even with the key, when they get near the end.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Because it is anaerobic, the gel won=E2=80=99t set up near the oil pan surfa=
ce if you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works we=
ll. You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install t=
he pan immediately. I have laid some =E2=80=9CUltra=E2=80=9D black rtv right=
 on top of the uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without=
 gasket as you prefer) and had it all set up just fine.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Hope this helps.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Phil</div>=
<div><br></div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helv=
etica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are y=
ou still using felt, or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with=
 the Anearobic sealant?&nbsp; &nbsp;JoeB.</div><div><br></div>
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                    On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott v=
ia Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"gmail-m_3167281562972523742gmail-m_-47894751=
45238406134ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226"><div>Joe;<div>We=E2=80=99ve used the tw=
o of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away fr=
om the rear main seal cap sides in both cases.<div>In fairness, in that appl=
ication it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set complet=
ely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Dr=
iven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff!&nbsp; Thanks t=
o Ken Knight for &nbsp;the recommendation.</div><div>We=E2=80=99ve switched t=
o Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked=
 felt....</div><div>Phil Gott<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"gmail-m_316728156=
2972523742gmail-m_-4789475145238406134ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226yqtfd09427"><b=
r clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe B=
oruch &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jaboruch@y=
ahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></=
div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_3167281562972523742gmail-m_-4789475145238406134=
ydp6edb2764yiv6266475226yqtfd79268"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,A=
rial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks David.&nbsp; Driven says that their oils sho=
uld not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dil=
ution.&nbsp; They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can=
 be affected by <span><span style=3D"color:rgb(38,40,42);font-family:&quot;H=
elvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">aromatic solvents (which is w=
hat gasoline is)</span></span>.&nbsp; I looked at the instructions for Perma=
tex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by ar=
omatic solvents.&nbsp; The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is af=
fected by aromatic solvents.&nbsp; Looks like for my next build that I will g=
o back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then).=
&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>Thanks for bringing this issue to light.&nbsp; Joe B.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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                    On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triumphsix@ya=
hoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
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Hi Joe,<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Here=E2=80=99s some pictures of th=
e felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3.&nbsp; You can s=
ee the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex=
 parted along the seam of the block/cap. &nbsp; Never happened before runnin=
g the oil.&nbsp; Hondabond held up just fine afterwards.</div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_3167281562972523742gmail-m_-47894751=
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