Subject: Re: [Fot] Canopy question

From: Bill Dentinger <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 20:12:48 +0000 (UTC)

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I always thought the=C2=A0EZ-up Canopy was convenient,=C2=A0looked nice, bu=
t was wimpy. =C2=A0Even a flatuance issue could cause a problem.
We preferred the traditional set up using HD electrical conduit for poles. =
=C2=A0We had three sets, serving 2, 4, and 6 cars. =C2=A0We used HD stakes =
(custom made from rebar, with HD washers welded to the side). =C2=A0Serious=
 stuff.

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I always thought the&nbsp;EZ-up Canopy was convenient,&nbsp;looked nice, bu=
t was wimpy. &nbsp;Even a flatuance issue could cause a problem.<div><br></=
div><div>We preferred the traditional set up using HD electrical conduit fo=
r poles. &nbsp;We had three sets, serving 2, 4, and 6 cars. &nbsp;We used H=
D stakes (custom made from rebar, with HD washers welded to the side). &nbs=
p;Serious stuff.<br><div><br></div><div>Bill Dentinger<br><br><div id=3D"__=
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From: Tony Drews <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 15:34:24 -0500

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I used to have a cheapie 10 x 20 from Farm and Fleet that was the poles 
/ canopy arrangement.  Was a pain to set up but it handled all weather 
like a champ.  I use strong stakes in the ground, don't rely on weights 
because I live in the land of thunderstorms.

Went to EZ-up brand for ease of setup, but found that it likes to catch 
the wind more than my prior setup.  It doesn't pull the stakes out of 
the ground but the wind load is a problem for the frame attachment 
points (this is not the most expensive EZ-up, but not a cheapie), one of 
them broke and I've taken it down in driving rain concerned about it 
trying to make itself into something airborn.  Also water pools in the 
canopy.  But it's great for shading from the sun.  The whole point is to 
NOT have to go out in the driving rain because of my rain protection.  :)

What I'm hoping for is the durability of what you described but the ease 
of setup (one person) of the EZ-up.  The EurMax is looking promising - 
it seems like it would help if it had air vents in the dome to release 
some of the wind load though.  Looks to be on sale for a reasonable 
price at the moment.  Still pricey, but probably worth it in the long run.

- Tony

On 7/2/2020 3:12 PM, Bill Dentinger wrote:
> I always thought the EZ-up Canopy was convenient, looked nice, but was 
> wimpy.  Even a flatuance issue could cause a problem.
>
> We preferred the traditional set up using HD electrical conduit for 
> poles.  We had three sets, serving 2, 4, and 6 cars.  We used HD 
> stakes (custom made from rebar, with HD washers welded to the side). 
>  Serious stuff.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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    <p>I used to have a cheapie 10 x 20 from Farm and Fleet that was the
      poles / canopy arrangement.  Was a pain to set up but it handled
      all weather like a champ.  I use strong stakes in the ground,
      don't rely on weights because I live in the land of thunderstorms.</p>
    <p>Went to EZ-up brand for ease of setup, but found that it likes to
      catch the wind more than my prior setup.  It doesn't pull the
      stakes out of the ground but the wind load is a problem for the
      frame attachment points (this is not the most expensive EZ-up, but
      not a cheapie), one of them broke and I've taken it down in
      driving rain concerned about it trying to make itself into
      something airborn.  Also water pools in the canopy.  But it's
      great for shading from the sun.  The whole point is to NOT have to
      go out in the driving rain because of my rain protection.  :)<br>
    </p>
    <p>What I'm hoping for is the durability of what you described but
      the ease of setup (one person) of the EZ-up.  The EurMax is
      looking promising - it seems like it would help if it had air
      vents in the dome to release some of the wind load though.  Looks
      to be on sale for a reasonable price at the moment.  Still pricey,
      but probably worth it in the long run.<br>
    </p>
    <p>- Tony<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2020 3:12 PM, Bill Dentinger
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      I always thought the EZ-up Canopy was convenient, looked nice, but
      was wimpy.  Even a flatuance issue could cause a problem.
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      <div>We preferred the traditional set up using HD electrical
        conduit for poles.  We had three sets, serving 2, 4, and 6 cars.
         We used HD stakes (custom made from rebar, with HD washers
        welded to the side).  Serious stuff.<br>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Bill Dentinger<br>
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In many years of motorcross, supercross and car racing I think =
I=E2=80=99ve gone through about ten of them. Even if you can weight or =
tie them down enough

the lift from the fabric just tears them apart. I pretty much gave up =
since I bought an enclosed trailer. Now I have the EMT conduit type with =
fabricated corners

that attaches to the trailer like Jason Ostrowski=E2=80=99s. =
It=E2=80=99s pretty impressive how much wind it can take.

We get some pretty wicked wind at times along the front range of the =
rockies.

Jim g

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From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 2:34 PM
To: Bill Dentinger <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] Canopy question

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I used to have a cheapie 10 x 20 from Farm and Fleet that was the poles =
/ canopy arrangement.  Was a pain to set up but it handled all weather =
like a champ.  I use strong stakes in the ground, don't rely on weights =
because I live in the land of thunderstorms.

Went to EZ-up brand for ease of setup, but found that it likes to catch =
the wind more than my prior setup.  It doesn't pull the stakes out of =
the ground but the wind load is a problem for the frame attachment =
points (this is not the most expensive EZ-up, but not a cheapie), one of =
them broke and I've taken it down in driving rain concerned about it =
trying to make itself into something airborn.  Also water pools in the =
canopy.  But it's great for shading from the sun.  The whole point is to =
NOT have to go out in the driving rain because of my rain protection.  =
:)

What I'm hoping for is the durability of what you described but the ease =
of setup (one person) of the EZ-up.  The EurMax is looking promising - =
it seems like it would help if it had air vents in the dome to release =
some of the wind load though.  Looks to be on sale for a reasonable =
price at the moment.  Still pricey, but probably worth it in the long =
run.

- Tony

I always thought the EZ-up Canopy was convenient, looked nice, but was =
wimpy.  Even a flatuance issue could cause a problem.=20

=20

We preferred the traditional set up using HD electrical conduit for =
poles.  We had three sets, serving 2, 4, and 6 cars.  We used HD stakes =
(custom made from rebar, with HD washers welded to the side).  Serious =
stuff.

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>In many =
years of motorcross, supercross and car racing I think I=E2=80=99ve gone =
through about ten of them. Even if you can weight or tie them down =
enough<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>the lift from the fabric just =
tears them apart. I pretty much gave up since I bought an enclosed =
trailer. Now I have the EMT conduit type with fabricated =
corners<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>that attaches to the trailer =
like Jason Ostrowski=E2=80=99s. It=E2=80=99s pretty impressive how much =
wind it can take.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>We get some pretty =
wicked wind at times along the front range of the =
rockies.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jim g<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Fot =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony =
Drews<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 2, 2020 2:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bill =
Dentinger &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Canopy =
question<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>I used to have a cheapie 10 x =
20 from Farm and Fleet that was the poles / canopy arrangement.&nbsp; =
Was a pain to set up but it handled all weather like a champ.&nbsp; I =
use strong stakes in the ground, don't rely on weights because I live in =
the land of thunderstorms.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Went to EZ-up brand for ease =
of setup, but found that it likes to catch the wind more than my prior =
setup.&nbsp; It doesn't pull the stakes out of the ground but the wind =
load is a problem for the frame attachment points (this is not the most =
expensive EZ-up, but not a cheapie), one of them broke and I've taken it =
down in driving rain concerned about it trying to make itself into =
something airborn.&nbsp; Also water pools in the canopy.&nbsp; But it's =
great for shading from the sun.&nbsp; The whole point is to NOT have to =
go out in the driving rain because of my rain protection.&nbsp; =
:)<o:p></o:p></p><p>What I'm hoping for is the durability of what you =
described but the ease of setup (one person) of the EZ-up.&nbsp; The =
EurMax is looking promising - it seems like it would help if it had air =
vents in the dome to release some of the wind load though.&nbsp; Looks =
to be on sale for a reasonable price at the moment.&nbsp; Still pricey, =
but probably worth it in the long run.<o:p></o:p></p><p>- =
Tony<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 7/2/2020 3:12 PM, Bill =
Dentinger wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
always thought the&nbsp;EZ-up Canopy was convenient,&nbsp;looked nice, =
but was wimpy. &nbsp;Even a flatuance issue could cause a problem. =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>We preferred the traditional set up using HD =
electrical conduit for poles. &nbsp;We had three sets, serving 2, 4, and =
6 cars. &nbsp;We used HD stakes (custom made from rebar, with HD washers =
welded to the side). &nbsp;Serious stuff.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Bill Dentinger<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"__aol_mail_signature__"><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On&nbsp;Thursday, July 2, 2020,&nbsp;Allen =
Washatko&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>&nbsp;=
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>See Paul Ricco<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>&gt; =
On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Tony Drews &lt;<a =
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wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =EF=BB=BFHas anyone run across a EZ-up style =
canopy that can actually handle wind and rain?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks, =
Tony Drews<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =
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I live in the Columbia Gorge, one of the windiest inland places on =
earth. People who don=E2=80=99t live here come and set up their EZ Ups =
with stakes, buckets of concrete, dirt screws, whatever. If the wind =
comes up to what we call =E2=80=9Cnuking=E2=80=9D the canopy will wind =
up somewhere in Idaho. The power of the wind increases as the square of =
velocity.  You could get a Cirque de Soleil style circus tent and a crew =
of twenty to stake it down, or just take your EZ down. EZ-up--EZ down. =
If I=E2=80=99m using it as a car cover I lower it and tie it to the roll =
bar. So far, Peyote hasn=E2=80=99t blown to any nearby states. Nothing i =
know will prevent the canopy from dumping a bucket of ice cold water =
down your back when you=E2=80=99re trying to push the water belly out =
with a broom.=20
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Jim Gray <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> In many years of motorcross, supercross and car racing I think I=E2=80=99=
ve gone through about ten of them. Even if you can weight or tie them =
down enough
> that attaches to the trailer like Jason Ostrowski=E2=80=99s. It=E2=80=99=
s pretty impressive how much wind it can take.
rockies.
> I used to have a cheapie 10 x 20 from Farm and Fleet that was the =
poles / canopy arrangement.  Was a pain to set up but it handled all =
weather like a champ.  I use strong stakes in the ground, don't rely on =
weights because I live in the land of thunderstorms.
> Went to EZ-up brand for ease of setup, but found that it likes to =
catch the wind more than my prior setup.  It doesn't pull the stakes out =
of the ground but the wind load is a problem for the frame attachment =
points (this is not the most expensive EZ-up, but not a cheapie), one of =
them broke and I've taken it down in driving rain concerned about it =
trying to make itself into something airborn.  Also water pools in the =
canopy.  But it's great for shading from the sun.  The whole point is to =
NOT have to go out in the driving rain because of my rain protection.  =
:)
> What I'm hoping for is the durability of what you described but the =
ease of setup (one person) of the EZ-up.  The EurMax is looking =
promising - it seems like it would help if it had air vents in the dome =
to release some of the wind load though.  Looks to be on sale for a =
reasonable price at the moment.  Still pricey, but probably worth it in =
the long run.
>> I always thought the EZ-up Canopy was convenient, looked nice, but =
was wimpy.  Even a flatuance issue could cause a problem.=20
>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com =
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>> On Thursday, July 2, 2020, Allen Washatko <[email-masked]> =
>> =20
>>> See Paul Ricco
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>> > =EF=BB=BFHas anyone run across a EZ-up style canopy that can =
actually handle wind and rain?
>>> > http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>
>>> >=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
live in the Columbia Gorge, one of the windiest inland places on earth. =
People who don=E2=80=99t live here come and set up their EZ Ups with =
stakes, buckets of concrete, dirt screws, whatever. If the wind comes up =
to what we call =E2=80=9Cnuking=E2=80=9D the canopy will wind up =
somewhere in Idaho. The power of the wind increases as the square of =
velocity. &nbsp;You could get a Cirque de Soleil style circus tent and a =
crew of twenty to stake it down, or just take your EZ down. EZ-up--EZ =
down. If I=E2=80=99m using it as a car cover I lower it and tie it to =
the roll bar. So far, Peyote hasn=E2=80=99t blown to any nearby states. =
Nothing i know will prevent the canopy from dumping a bucket of ice cold =
water down your back when you=E2=80=99re trying to push the water belly =
out with a broom.&nbsp;<div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 2, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Jim Gray &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 18px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">In many =
years of motorcross, supercross and car racing I think I=E2=80=99ve gone =
through about ten of them. Even if you can weight or tie them down =
enough<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">the lift from the fabric just tears them apart. I pretty much =
gave up since I bought an enclosed trailer. Now I have the EMT conduit =
type with fabricated corners<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">that attaches to the trailer like Jason =
Ostrowski=E2=80=99s. It=E2=80=99s pretty impressive how much wind it can =
take.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">We get =
some pretty wicked wind at times along the front range of the =
rockies.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Jim g<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b><span=
 class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Tony Drews<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, July 2, 2020 2:34 =
PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Bill Dentinger &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Canopy =
question<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D"">I used to =
have a cheapie 10 x 20 from Farm and Fleet that was the poles / canopy =
arrangement.&nbsp; Was a pain to set up but it handled all weather like =
a champ.&nbsp; I use strong stakes in the ground, don't rely on weights =
because I live in the land of thunderstorms.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D"">Went to EZ-up brand for ease of =
setup, but found that it likes to catch the wind more than my prior =
setup.&nbsp; It doesn't pull the stakes out of the ground but the wind =
load is a problem for the frame attachment points (this is not the most =
expensive EZ-up, but not a cheapie), one of them broke and I've taken it =
down in driving rain concerned about it trying to make itself into =
something airborn.&nbsp; Also water pools in the canopy.&nbsp; But it's =
great for shading from the sun.&nbsp; The whole point is to NOT have to =
go out in the driving rain because of my rain protection.&nbsp; :)<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D"">What I'm hoping for is the =
durability of what you described but the ease of setup (one person) of =
the EZ-up.&nbsp; The EurMax is looking promising - it seems like it =
would help if it had air vents in the dome to release some of the wind =
load though.&nbsp; Looks to be on sale for a reasonable price at the =
moment.&nbsp; Still pricey, but probably worth it in the long run.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D"">- Tony<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">On 7/2/2020 3:12 PM, Bill Dentinger wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; =
margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I always thought the&nbsp;EZ-up Canopy was =
convenient,&nbsp;looked nice, but was wimpy. &nbsp;Even a flatuance =
issue could cause a problem.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">We preferred the traditional set up =
using HD electrical conduit for poles. &nbsp;We had three sets, serving =
2, 4, and 6 cars. &nbsp;We used HD stakes (custom made from rebar, with =
HD washers welded to the side). &nbsp;Serious stuff.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Bill Dentinger<o:p =
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class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On&nbsp;Thursday, July 2, =
2020,&nbsp;Allen Washatko&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>&nbsp;wrote:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-left: 6.75pt; =
margin-right: 0in;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">See Paul Ricco<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&gt; On Jul =
2, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Tony Drews &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">&gt; =EF=BB=BF=
Has anyone run across a EZ-up style canopy that can actually handle wind =
and rain?<br class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">&gt; Thanks, =
Tony Drews<br class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">&gt; =
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On 7/2/2020 3:24 PM, Ponostyle wrote:
> The power of the wind increases as the square of velocity.

Umm, actually, wind power increases with the cube of the velocity.

Double the wind speed and the power goes up by a factor of eight.  It's 
why hurricanes and tornadoes are so damned destructive.

*Total wind power, P_t = (ρAC_i ^3 )/2*

Where, ρ = density of air
A = swept area perpendicular to wind direction
C_i = incoming wind velocity

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2020 3:24 PM, Ponostyle wrote:<br>
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      The power of the wind increases as the square of velocity.</blockquote>
    <p>Umm, actually, wind power increases with the cube of the
      velocity.</p>
    <p>Double the wind speed and the power goes up by a factor of
      eight.  It's why hurricanes and tornadoes are so damned
      destructive.</p>
    <p><strong>Total wind power, P<sub>t</sub> = (ρAC<sub>i</sub><sup>3</sup>)/2</strong><br>
       <br>
      Where, ρ = density of air<br>
      A = swept area perpendicular to wind direction<br>
      C<sub>i</sub> = incoming wind velocity</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Cheers.<br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 

Michael Porter
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 Ci =3D incoming wind velocity=20

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      The power of the wind increases as the square of velocity.
    <p>Umm, actually, wind power increases with the cube of the
      velocity.</p>
    <p>Double the wind speed and the power goes up by a factor of
      eight.&nbsp; It's why hurricanes and tornadoes are so damned
      destructive.</p>
    <p><strong>Total wind power, P<sub>t</sub> =3D (=CF=81AC<sub>i</sub><su=
p>3</sup>)/2</strong><br clear=3D"none">
      &nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">
      Where, =CF=81 =3D density of air<br clear=3D"none">
      A =3D swept area perpendicular to wind direction</p><div class=3D"yiv=
1762374144yqt6227062676" id=3D"yiv1762374144yqtfd87755"><br clear=3D"none">
      C<sub>i</sub></div> =3D incoming wind velocity
    <p><br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>Cheers.<br clear=3D"none">
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