Subject: [Fot] Seat belts

From: kkjjk--- via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 02:30:36 +0000 (UTC)

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Hello FOT-=C2=A0 Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?=C2=A0 I=
 have read here on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.=
=C2=A0 I just got new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expir=
e June 2022.=C2=A0 I thought that belts were good for 5 years? =C2=A0 Could=
 these belts be "old"(as in NOS) or are they only good for 2 years?=C2=A0 M=
y present belts are over 5 years old.=C2=A0 Yikes!-- Jay

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<div style="color:black;font: 10pt arial;"><font size="2">Hello FOT-&nbsp; Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?&nbsp; I have read here on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.&nbsp; I just got new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expire June 2022.&nbsp; I thought that belts were good for 5 years? &nbsp; Could these belts be "old"(as in NOS) or are they only good for 2 years?&nbsp; My present belts are over 5 years old.&nbsp; Yikes!-- Jay<br>
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From: David Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 02:34:17 +0000 (UTC)

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Hi Jay,
SFI belts are 2 years, FIA are 5 years, and conveniently are 2.5x more expe=
nsive...
Hope that helps!
Dave Gott

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Hi Jay,<div><br></div><div>SFI belts are 2 years, FIA are 5 years, and conveniently are 2.5x more expensive...</div><div><br></div><div>Hope that helps!</div><div><br></div><div>Dave Gott<br><br><br><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br><br><p class="yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 9:30 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote class="iosymail"><div id="yiv5463727158">
<div style="color:black;font:10pt arial;">Hello FOT-&nbsp; Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?&nbsp; I have read here on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.&nbsp; I just got new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expire June 2022.&nbsp; I thought that belts were good for 5 years? &nbsp; Could these belts be "old"(as in NOS) or are they only good for 2 years?&nbsp; My present belts are over 5 years old.&nbsp; Yikes!-- Jay<br>
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From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 22:13:48 -0500

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If your belts are certified by SFI they will be good for 2 years from the da=
te of manufacture. If they carry an FIA certification, they will be accepted=
 for 5 years from the date of manufacture. SVRA enforces the dates to the mo=
nth. SCCA will cut you some slack and let you go to the end of the calendar y=
ear in which they expire.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 4, 2020, at 9:31 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Hello FOT-  Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?  I have rea=
d here on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.  I just g=
ot new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expire June 2022.  I t=
hought that belts were good for 5 years?   Could these belts be "old"(as in N=
OS) or are they only good for 2 years?  My present belts are over 5 years ol=
d.  Yikes!-- Jay
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">If your belts are certified by SFI they wil=
l be good for 2 years from the date of manufacture. If they carry an FIA cer=
tification, they will be accepted for 5 years from the date of manufacture. S=
VRA enforces the dates to the month. SCCA will cut you some slack and let yo=
u go to the end of the calendar year in which they expire.<div>Phil Gott<br>=
<br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite">On Mar 4, 2020, at 9:31 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot &lt;fot@autox.=
team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt arial;"><font size=3D"2">Hello FOT-&nbs=
p; Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?&nbsp; I have read here=
 on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.&nbsp; I just go=
t new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expire June 2022.&nbsp=
; I thought that belts were good for 5 years? &nbsp; Could these belts be "o=
ld"(as in NOS) or are they only good for 2 years?&nbsp; My present belts are=
 over 5 years old.&nbsp; Yikes!-- Jay<br>
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From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 22:13:48 -0500

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From: kkjjk--- via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 03:19:43 +0000 (UTC)

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Understood, Phil, thanks!- Jay
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From: Phil Gott <[email-masked]>
To: kkjjk <[email-masked]>
Cc: fot <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Mar 4, 2020 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seat belts

If your belts are certified by SFI they will be good for 2 years from the d=
ate of manufacture. If they carry an FIA certification, they will be accept=
ed for 5 years from the date of manufacture. SVRA enforces the dates to the=
 month. SCCA will cut you some slack and let you go to the end of the calen=
dar year in which they expire.Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

=EF=BB=BFHello FOT-=C2=A0 Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for=
?=C2=A0 I have read here on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kas=
tner Cup.=C2=A0 I just got new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says t=
hey expire June 2022.=C2=A0 I thought that belts were good for 5 years? =C2=
=A0 Could these belts be "old"(as in NOS) or are they only good for 2 years=
?=C2=A0 My present belts are over 5 years old.=C2=A0 Yikes!-- Jay
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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt arial;">Under<font size=3D"2">stood, P=
hil, thanks!- Jay<br>
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To: kkjjk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Mar 4, 2020 10:13 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seat belts<br>
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<div>If your belts are certified by SFI they will be good for 2 years from =
the date of manufacture. If they carry an FIA certification, they will be a=
ccepted for 5 years from the date of manufacture. SVRA enforces the dates t=
o the month. SCCA will cut you some slack and let you go to the end of the =
calendar year in which they expire.
<div>Phil Gott<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 4, 202=
0, at 9:31 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8225681691yqt2614023578" id=3D"yiv8225681691yqt46815">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial;"><font size=3D"2">Hello FOT-&nbs=
p; Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?&nbsp; I have read her=
e on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.&nbsp; I just =
got new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expire June 2022.&n=
bsp; I thought that belts were good for 5 years? &nbsp; Could these belts b=
e "old"(as in NOS) or are they only good for 2 years?&nbsp; My present belt=
s are over 5 years old.&nbsp; Yikes!-- Jay<br clear=3D"none">
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From: Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 22:36:37 -0800

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Couldn't find anything specific at SVRA's site. Our group, VARA requires
rewebbing at 5 years from date of manufacture.

Crow Enterprises is courteous enough to offer a rewebbing service without
replacing the hardware on their belt systems.

Cheers,

*Brad Eells*
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*#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4*
*1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!*

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 6:30 PM kkjjk--- via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hello FOT-  Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?  I have
> read here on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.  I
> just got new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expire June
> 2022.  I thought that belts were good for 5 years?   Could these belts be
> "old"(as in NOS) or are they only good for 2 years?  My present belts are
> over 5 years old.  Yikes!-- Jay
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Couldn&#39;t find anything=C2=A0specific at SVRA&#39;s sit=
e. Our group, VARA requires rewebbing at 5 years from date of manufacture.=
=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Crow Enterprises is courteous enough=C2=A0to offe=
r a rewebbing service without replacing the hardware on their belt systems.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div><br clear=3D"all=
"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_s=
ignature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
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div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">Brad Eells</=
font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">C=
hino CA</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#=
000000">#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3</font></b></div><div style=3D"font=
-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4</font></b>=
</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">1965 Trium=
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<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial"><font size=3D"2">Hello FOT-=C2=
=A0 Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?=C2=A0 I have read he=
re on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.=C2=A0 I just=
 got new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expire June 2022.=
=C2=A0 I thought that belts were good for 5 years? =C2=A0 Could these belts=
 be &quot;old&quot;(as in NOS) or are they only good for 2 years?=C2=A0 My =
present belts are over 5 years old.=C2=A0 Yikes!-- Jay<br>
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 14:11:40 +0000 (UTC)

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 MCSCC (Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs) effective this year is SFI =
belts 2 yrs from date of manufacture, FIA is five years, both rounded to 12=
/31/?? so belts are not an issue middle of the year - newer belts with expi=
ration dates will also expire on 12/31/?? of the listed expiration year - b=
elts are cheap, they do lose effectiveness as they age, even if not exposed=
 to direct sunlight

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tox.team.net> wrote: =20
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 If your belts are certified by SFI they will be good for 2 years from the =
date of manufacture. If they carry an FIA certification, they will be accep=
ted for 5 years from the date of manufacture. SVRA enforces the dates to th=
e month. SCCA will cut you some slack and let you go to the end of the cale=
ndar year in which they expire.Phil Gott

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" data-setdir=3D"false">MCSCC (Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs) effe=
ctive this year is SFI belts 2 yrs from date of manufacture, FIA is five ye=
ars, both rounded to 12/31/?? so belts are not an issue middle of the year =
- newer belts with expiration dates will also expire on 12/31/?? of the lis=
ted expiration year - belts are cheap, they do lose effectiveness as they a=
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                <div><div id=3D"ydpeabedbd8yiv2389324755"><div>If your belt=
s are certified by SFI they will be good for 2 years from the date of manuf=
acture. If they carry an FIA certification, they will be accepted for 5 yea=
rs from the date of manufacture. SVRA enforces the dates to the month. SCCA=
 will cut you some slack and let you go to the end of the calendar year in =
which they expire.<div>Phil Gott<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 4, 2020, at 9:31 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot &lt;fo=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquo=
te></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div class=3D"ydpeabedbd8yiv2389324755yqt3933135990" id=3D"ydpeabedbd8yiv23=
89324755yqt94883"><div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial;"><font size=3D=
"2">Hello FOT-&nbsp; Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?&nbs=
p; I have read here on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner =
Cup.&nbsp; I just got new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they e=
xpire June 2022.&nbsp; I thought that belts were good for 5 years? &nbsp; C=
ould these belts be "old"(as in NOS) or are they only good for 2 years?&nbs=
p; My present belts are over 5 years old.&nbsp; Yikes!-- Jay<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 14:15:49 +0000 (UTC)

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 I forgot to mention, I have access to racing belts from a few suppliers - =
I'll get the list together later and repost what I can get, save you all so=
me $$ if I can
RalphApex2Apex [email-masked] 840 7366
    On Thursday, March 5, 2020, 08:12:00 AM CST, ralph hansen via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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  MCSCC (Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs) effective this year is SFI=
 belts 2 yrs from date of manufacture, FIA is five years, both rounded to 1=
2/31/?? so belts are not an issue middle of the year - newer belts with exp=
iration dates will also expire on 12/31/?? of the listed expiration year - =
belts are cheap, they do lose effectiveness as they age, even if not expose=
d to direct sunlight

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en via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;" dir=3D"ltr">MCSCC (Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs) ef=
fective this year is SFI belts 2 yrs from date of manufacture, FIA is five =
years, both rounded to 12/31/?? so belts are not an issue middle of the yea=
r - newer belts with expiration dates will also expire on 12/31/?? of the l=
isted expiration year - belts are cheap, they do lose effectiveness as they=
 age, even if not exposed to direct sunlight</div><div class=3D"ydp9db127fa=
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp9db127fayiv0273664469ydpeabedbd8yiv23893=
24755"><div>If your belts are certified by SFI they will be good for 2 year=
s from the date of manufacture. If they carry an FIA certification, they wi=
ll be accepted for 5 years from the date of manufacture. SVRA enforces the =
dates to the month. SCCA will cut you some slack and let you go to the end =
of the calendar year in which they expire.<div>Phil Gott<br clear=3D"none">=
<br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 4, 2020, at 9:31 PM,=
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" id=3D"ydp9db127fayiv0273664469ydpeabedbd8yiv2389324755yqt94883"><div styl=
e=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial;"><font size=3D"2">Hello FOT-&nbsp; Does a=
nyone know how long seat belts are good for?&nbsp; I have read here on FOT =
that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.&nbsp; I just got new b=
elts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expire June 2022.&nbsp; I th=
ought that belts were good for 5 years? &nbsp; Could these belts be "old"(a=
s in NOS) or are they only good for 2 years?&nbsp; My present belts are ove=
r 5 years old.&nbsp; Yikes!-- Jay<br clear=3D"none">
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 14:44:50 +0000 (UTC)

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ears, both rounded to 12/31/?? so belts are not an issue middle of the year=
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sted expiration year - belts are cheap, they do lose effectiveness as they =
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From: Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 06:28:49 +1000

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it may not be relevant to you guys in the USA, buts its worth mentioning
that our local FIA 'agent", Motorsport Australia , commissioned research &
testing into race seat belt life a few years ago. As a result, they have
extended the life of "notional" 5 year FIA approved belts to 10 years,
provided they have zero visual damage which includes extreme sun fading.
They however ratified the 2-year life on SFI approved belts. I have asked
for a copy of the technical report to support their conclusion and will
post up a link or a copy when possible. Most people i race with use FIA
approved belts. Mostly, we all tend to avoid SFI rated material as it has a
very short approval life and almost the same cost (here) as FIA approved
stuff.

The latest FIA standards require dynamic sled testing of harnesses and
components to 70g, which they claim comes from accident data and is
survivable in modern race cars. My reading suggests the SFI testing does
not include dynamic testing, simply stating maximum static failure forces,
but i'll happily be contradicted.

I would also comment that nearly everyone here has changed their belts over
the past few years with the use of HANS devices which mostly require a 2"
or narrower section in the over-shoulder belt . Nearly every race and rally
'speed" event here, now mandates HANS devices of some 'approved" form. The
harness anchor locations have also come in for a lot more attention
recently, especially as the shoulder harness angles are critical for most
versions of the HANS device to work as intended.  The use of the "crotch
strap" has also come into focus and particularly how it is mounted.
research has shown that if there is only a single crotch strap, it must be
vertical or near vertical to work successfully, Anchors placed half-way
under the seat so the strap runs backwards, are frowned upon and i know of
a couple of technical scrutineers (inspectors) that have warned racers to
fix that before their next event. There is a really good set of videos and
articles on the SCHROTH web site for anyone interested.

i'm not promoting any brand or system or rule. this is FYI only

Terry

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>it may not be relevant to you guys in the USA, buts i=
ts worth mentioning that our local FIA &#39;agent&quot;, Motorsport Austral=
ia , commissioned research &amp; testing into race seat belt life a few yea=
rs ago. As a result, they have extended the life of &quot;notional&quot; 5 =
year FIA approved=C2=A0belts to 10 years, provided they have zero visual da=
mage which includes extreme sun fading. They however ratified=C2=A0the 2-ye=
ar life on SFI approved belts. I have asked for a copy of the technical rep=
ort to support their=C2=A0conclusion and will post up a link or a copy when=
 possible. Most people i race with use FIA approved belts. Mostly, we all t=
end to avoid SFI rated material as it has a very short approval life and al=
most the same cost (here) as FIA approved stuff.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div>=
<div>The latest FIA standards require dynamic sled testing of harnesses and=
 components to 70g, which they claim comes from accident data and is surviv=
able in modern race cars. My reading suggests the SFI testing does not incl=
ude dynamic testing, simply stating maximum static failure forces, but i&#3=
9;ll happily be contradicted.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I would also c=
omment that nearly everyone here has changed their belts over the past few =
years with the use of HANS devices which mostly require a 2&quot; or narrow=
er section in the over-shoulder belt . Nearly every race and rally &#39;spe=
ed&quot; event here, now mandates HANS devices of some &#39;approved&quot; =
form. The harness anchor locations have also come in for a lot more attenti=
on recently, especially as the shoulder harness angles are critical for mos=
t versions of the HANS device to work as intended.=C2=A0 The use of the &qu=
ot;crotch strap&quot; has also come into focus and particularly how it is m=
ounted. research has shown that if there is only a single crotch strap, it =
must be vertical or near vertical to work successfully, Anchors placed half=
-way under the seat so the strap runs backwards, are frowned upon and i kno=
w of a couple of technical scrutineers (inspectors) that have warned racers=
 to fix that before their next event. There is a really good set of videos =
and articles on the SCHROTH web site=C2=A0for anyone interested.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>i&#39;m=C2=A0not promoting any brand or system or rule. this=
 is FYI only</div><div><br></div><div>Terry</div></div>

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