Subject: Re: [Fot] Doug Still Guides Me...

From: Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 21:20:11 -0400

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It can be done in eastern Pa, last i checked.

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> On Mar 23, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Greg Blake via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
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> =EF=BB=BFEspecially if you want cam bearings in a TR6 block. Frustrating i=
ndeed.=20
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
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>> =EF=BB=BF
>> I'm in a pretty big metro area in Austin and we have no local line boring=
 available.  Very frustrating.
>> =20
>> Bob Kramer
>>=20
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>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:36 AM Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>>> Interesting...I thought that would be a standard machine shop operation,=
 like resizing rods.
>>>=20
>>> Apparently not...
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Brad Eells
>>> Chino CA
>>> #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3
>>> #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4
>>> 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
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>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:30 AM Bud Rolofson <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>>>> Speaking of main caps I bought a block that turned out to not have the o=
riginal main caps. The caps on there did not match up with the block but I=E2=
=80=99ve been unable to find a machine shop that can machine them so there=E2=
=80=99s a round hole for the crank. The shop I had do my last block (and the=
y do 427 race engines among others and are well respected) told me that the r=
esult would be ovaled out holes (not round) which obviously is not good.
>>>> Certainly there=E2=80=99s a way to make this work but I haven=E2=80=99t=
 found it. I checked out another block shop but said they subcontract line-b=
oring to the the shop that said they couldn=E2=80=99t do it.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Has anyone else encountered this problem? I=E2=80=99ve heard that steel=
 mains might be an answer but they=E2=80=99d still have to be line-bored to m=
ake them match. I hate to ship a block to get this done before I have reassu=
rances that they can make it work but does anyone know of that has successfu=
lly made main caps match the block? Given I=E2=80=99m spending a lot of time=
 these days staying home and catching up on car projects in the shop I figur=
ed it would be a good time to start building the next engine.
>>>>=20
>>>> Solutions or recommendations?
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Bud
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Amici,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> In typically rookie race engine builder mode with the block I selected=
 for rebuild, I pulled the main bearing caps (with my new fancy DeWalt 20V I=
mpact Wrench) and then couldn't remember which way around they went.=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This led to visions of catastrophic failure somewhere down the road. Y=
et, I had several other blocks I could flip over and make a determination if=
 need be.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I was examining one of the caps when I discovered the faintest engravi=
ng on the surface of each cap:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Eng #2 Front Fwd
>>>>> Eng #2 Mid Fwd
>>>>> Eng #2 Rr Fwd
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Doug Brown, my original owner/builder/driver extraordinaire had engrav=
ed each cap for me to make sure a mistake didn't occur. He rotated 3 engines=
 during each season in a quest for Divisional and National Championships.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I guess that is the way a aeronautical/mechanical engineer and very su=
ccessful racer thinks.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thanks again Doug!
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Brad Eells
>>>>> Chino CA
>>>>> #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3
>>>>> #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4
>>>>> 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!
>>>>>=20
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>>>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>>>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>>>> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">It can be done in eastern Pa, last i checke=
d.<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 23, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Greg Blake via Fot &lt;f=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"=
text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Especially if you want cam bearings in a TR6 blo=
ck. Frustrating indeed.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 23, 2020, at 2:21 P=
M, Bob Kramer via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote>=
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">I=
'm in a pretty big metro area in Austin and we have no local line boring ava=
ilable.&nbsp; Very frustrating.<div>&nbsp;<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:36 AM B=
rad Eells via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Interesting...I thought that would be a standard machine sh=
op operation, like resizing rods.<div><br></div><div>Apparently not...</div>=
<div><br></div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12=
.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">Brad Eells</font></b></div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">Chino CA</font></b></div><div sty=
le=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitf=
ire Mk3</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#0=
00000">#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8p=
x"><b><font color=3D"#000000">1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!</font></=
b><br></div></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000"=
><img src=3D"https://docs.google.com/uc?export=3Ddownload&amp;id=3D1HyYLxa1_=
Lz_Q0kLM3GRJryNDgfOwZyUc&amp;revid=3D0B9vVTDWaFCqFVmR6Q1FsMExZTHVLcHpja3BpSC=
9ucGcveHdJPQ" width=3D"96" height=3D"94" data-unique-identifier=3D""><br></f=
ont></b></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div=
></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 23, 20=
20 at 8:30 AM Bud Rolofson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Speaking of main caps I bought a block tha=
t turned out to not have the original main caps. The caps on there did not m=
atch up with the block but I=E2=80=99ve been unable to find a machine shop t=
hat can machine them so there=E2=80=99s a round hole for the crank. The shop=
 I had do my last block (and they do 427 race engines among others and are w=
ell respected) told me that the result would be ovaled out holes (not round)=
 which obviously is not good.<div>Certainly there=E2=80=99s a way to make th=
is work but I haven=E2=80=99t found it. I checked out another block shop but=
 said they subcontract line-boring to the the shop that said they couldn=E2=80=
=99t do it.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Has anyone else encountered this p=
roblem? I=E2=80=99ve heard that steel mains might be an answer but they=E2=80=
=99d still have to be line-bored to make them match. I hate to ship a block t=
o get this done before I have reassurances that they can make it work but do=
es anyone know of that has successfully made main caps match the block? Give=
n I=E2=80=99m spending a lot of time these days staying home and catching up=
 on car projects in the shop I figured it would be a good time to start buil=
ding the next engine.</div><div><br></div><div>Solutions or recommendations?=
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div>Bud<br><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;=
<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 22, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Brad Ee=
lls via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fot@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Amici,<div><br>=
</div><div>In typically rookie race engine builder mode with the block I sel=
ected for rebuild, I pulled the main bearing caps (with my new fancy DeWalt 2=
0V Impact Wrench) and then couldn't remember which way around they went.&nbs=
p;</div><div><br></div><div>This led to visions of catastrophic failure some=
where down the road. Yet, I had several other blocks I could flip over and m=
ake a determination if need be.</div><div><br></div><div>I was examining one=
 of the caps when I discovered the faintest engraving on the surface of each=
 cap:<br><br>Eng #2 Front Fwd</div><div>Eng #2 Mid Fwd</div><div>Eng #2 Rr Fw=
d</div><div><br></div><div>Doug Brown, my original owner/builder/driver extr=
aordinaire had engraved each cap for me to make sure a mistake didn't occur.=
 He rotated 3 engines during each season in a quest for Divisional and Natio=
nal Championships.</div><div><br></div><div>I guess that is the way a aerona=
utical/mechanical engineer and very successful&nbsp;racer thinks.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Thanks again Doug!</div><div><br></div><div><div><span id=3D"=
gmail-m_-572788421225712968gmail-m_3153764041718801694cid:ii_k83wus460">&lt;=
IMG_8745.jpg&gt;</span><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br><=
/div><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font>Br=
ad Eells</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font>Chino CA</=
font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font>#72 FP 1969 Triumph S=
pitfire Mk3</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font>#35 DP 1=
962 Triumph TR4</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font>196=
5 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!</font></b><br></div></div><div style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.8px"><b><font><img src=3D"https://docs.google.com/uc?export=3Ddo=
wnload&amp;id=3D1HyYLxa1_Lz_Q0kLM3GRJryNDgfOwZyUc&amp;revid=3D0B9vVTDWaFCqFV=
mR6Q1FsMExZTHVLcHpja3BpSC9ucGcveHdJPQ" width=3D"96" height=3D"94" data-uniqu=
e-identifier=3D""><br></font></b></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
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From: yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:27:14 -0400

Very frustrating indeed!

I have used Richard Good for the service, he can bore out the 6 cylinder 
block for cam bearings in his shop.

On 2020-03-23 21:20, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Greg Blake via Fot <[email-masked]>
>> wrote:
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>> Especially if you want cam bearings in a TR6 block. Frustrating
>> indeed.

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From: Spitfire Racing via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:26:15 -0400

Precision Automotive in Cortland NY has done cam bearings for 6 cylinder TRs for me. It sounds like it's a PITA for them but I've had them do two for me. Both were perfect.

Russ
Spitfire #49

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Very frustrating indeed!

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From: Jim Gray via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:32:18 -0600

There are a few different shops in Colorado that do line bores. The Block Shop is one and HiPro Engines is the other.
I built a GT6 motor about 5 years ago and British Sports Werks in Estes Park got the cam bearings drilled for me.
http://britishsportswerks.com/

Jim G

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Very frustrating indeed!

I have used Richard Good for the service, he can bore out the 6 cylinder block for cam bearings in his shop.

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To the best of my knowledge the the 6 cylinder blocks were bored for a
larger camshaft bearing size and this diameter is what is needed to
install  the Spitfire 1296 cc cam bearings.  In the many many 6 cylinder
engines I built, I never once had to have anything line bored for
installing cam bearings, but the camshafts were not useable for reginding
as the bearings surfaces were too large. My very earliest little books in
the 60's detailed  how to install the cam bearingsI normally used for the
Spitfire 1296 engines. No machining was necessary for this procedure. i
discovered this in my very first work on the TR 250 engine in 1966 which
was supplied without cam bearings and the larger camshaft surfaces.

*Never be beaten by equipment.*

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<div dir=3D"ltr">To the best=C2=A0of my knowledge the the 6 cylinder=C2=A0b=
locks=C2=A0were bored for a larger camshaft bearing size and this diameter =
is what is needed to install=C2=A0 the Spitfire 1296 cc cam bearings.=C2=A0=
 In the many many 6 cylinder=C2=A0 engines I built, I never once had to hav=
e anything=C2=A0line bored for installing cam bearings, but the camshafts w=
ere not useable for reginding as the bearings surfaces were too large. My v=
ery earliest little books in the 60&#39;s detailed=C2=A0 how to install the=
=C2=A0cam bearingsI normally used for the Spitfire 1296 engines. No machini=
ng was necessary for this procedure. i discovered this in my very first wor=
k on the=C2=A0TR 250 engine in 1966 which was supplied without cam bearings=
 and the larger camshaft surfaces.<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><p><strong><fon=
t color=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by equipment.</font></strong></p></div>=
</div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:27 AM yellow04 via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Very frustrating indeed!<br>
<br>
I have used Richard Good for the service, he can bore out the 6 cylinder <b=
r>
block for cam bearings in his shop.<br>
<br>
On 2020-03-23 21:20, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:<br>
&gt; It can be done in eastern Pa, last i checked.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br>
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&gt;&gt; On Mar 23, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Greg Blake via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
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&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BFEspecially if you want cam bearings in a TR6 block. Frust=
rating<br>
&gt;&gt; indeed.<br>
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