Subject: Re: [Fot] Suspension bushings

From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:17:25 -0400

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On my TR4A I run the stock set up at the trunnion. For the lower control arm=
 inner pivots I use the factory Nylon/Delrin bushings for a TR3 lower inner c=
ontrol arm bushings. I install grease fittings on the a arm and keep these g=
reased.=20
On the upper inner control arm I also use the same TR3B lower inner control a=
rm
Bushings. They replace the rubber inserts perfectly. I keep them well liubed=
 with oil.=20
We also did a TR6 this way. Works very well and quite robust.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
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> =EF=BB=BFIn my GT6 I run the bushings with steel inserts I got from Scott H=
arper at Team Triumph.  I don=E2=80=99t know what they are - black hard plas=
tic with steel inserts - but they=E2=80=99ve been on the car for at least ei=
ght years with no signs of play and 5-6 race weekends a year.  I take things=
 apart very regularly to inspect - these have worked well.
>=20
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Wright via Fot <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>=20
> Hello FOT,
>=20
> I am looking for recommendations on suspension bushings for my racecar. A l=
ittle Formula VEE spun into me and took out my front right upright/trunion t=
his weekend at willow springs, so while I'm replacing the upright assembly, I=
 figured it would be a good time to replace the old worn suspension bushings=
. I have been told a number of different opinions from "poly bushings would b=
e an improvement over your old worn out bushings" to "nylon is the only way t=
o go" to "poly and nylon are terrible you need delrin bushings." So in my la=
ck of experience as a vintage triumph racecar driver, I'm asking you seasone=
d vets your opinions on the matter and why, what you are currently running, a=
nd if you could please provide me with where I can source the bushings you r=
ecommend. Up until now, I haven't had any complaints with the handling chara=
cteristics of the car, but I know the bushings are ready for replacement. I h=
aven't taken them out yet, so I'm not sure what is currently in there. Addit=
ionally, if you would be kind enough to spell it out for me what type of bus=
hings you run in which locations I would appreciate it.
>=20
> Kas's catch phrase is "never be beaten by equipment" but that Formula VEE'=
s equipment beat me up pretty good as it was spinning across the track takin=
g me out with him...=20
>=20
> Thanks!
> Jonathan Wright
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">On my TR4A I run the stock set up at the tr=
unnion. For the lower control arm inner pivots I use the factory Nylon/Delri=
n bushings for a TR3 lower inner control arm bushings. I install grease fitt=
ings on the a arm and keep these greased.&nbsp;<div>On the upper inner contr=
ol arm I also use the same TR3B lower inner control arm</div><div>Bushings. T=
hey replace the rubber inserts perfectly. I keep them well liubed with oil.&=
nbsp;</div><div>We also did a TR6 this way. Works very well and quite robust=
.</div><div>Phil Gott</div><div><div><div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent fro=
m my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 10, 2=
020, at 11:20 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br>=
<br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<=
meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">In m=
y GT6 I run the bushings with steel inserts I got from Scott Harper at Team T=
riumph. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t know what they are - black hard plastic with s=
teel inserts - but they=E2=80=99ve been on the car for at least eight years w=
ith no signs of play and 5-6 race weekends a year. &nbsp;I take things apart=
 very regularly to inspect - these have worked well.<div class=3D""><div><br=
 class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 10, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Wright vi=
a Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hello FOT,</div><div class=3D"=
"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I am looking for recommendations on s=
uspension bushings for my racecar. A little Formula VEE spun into me and too=
k out my front right upright/trunion this weekend at willow springs, so whil=
e I'm replacing the upright assembly, I figured it would be a good time to r=
eplace the old worn suspension bushings. I have been told a number of differ=
ent opinions from "poly bushings would be an improvement over your old worn o=
ut bushings" to "nylon is the only way to go" to "poly and nylon are terribl=
e you need delrin bushings." So in my lack of experience as a vintage triump=
h racecar driver, I'm asking you seasoned vets your opinions on the matter a=
nd why, what you are currently running, and if you could please provide me w=
ith where I can source the bushings you recommend. Up until now, I haven't h=
ad any complaints with the handling characteristics of the car, but I know t=
he bushings are ready for replacement. I haven't taken them out yet, so I'm n=
ot sure what is currently in there. Additionally, if you would be kind enoug=
h to spell it out for me what type of bushings you run in which locations I w=
ould appreciate it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"=
">Kas's catch phrase is "never be beaten by equipment" but that Formula VEE'=
s equipment beat me up pretty good as it was spinning across the track takin=
g me out with him...&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div cl=
ass=3D"">Thanks!</div><div class=3D"">Jonathan Wright</div></div>
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From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
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From: ralph hansen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:23:40 +0000 (UTC)

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 I ran solid on my Spit - poly are good and much better than rubber but, so=
lid is best for turn-in, stability and consistency at the limit
Ralph
    On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:18:07 AM CDT, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 On my TR4A I run the stock set up at the trunnion. For the lower control a=
rm inner pivots I use the factory Nylon/Delrin bushings for a TR3 lower inn=
er control arm bushings. I install grease fittings on the a arm and keep th=
ese greased.=C2=A0On the upper inner control arm I also use the same TR3B l=
ower inner control armBushings. They replace the rubber inserts perfectly. =
I keep them well liubed with oil.=C2=A0We also did a TR6 this way. Works ve=
ry well and quite robust.Phil Gott
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 10, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:

=EF=BB=BF
In my GT6 I run the bushings with steel inserts I got from Scott Harper at =
Team Triumph. =C2=A0I don=E2=80=99t know what they are - black hard plastic=
 with steel inserts - but they=E2=80=99ve been on the car for at least eigh=
t years with no signs of play and 5-6 race weekends a year. =C2=A0I take th=
ings apart very regularly to inspect - these have worked well.
On Mar 10, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Wright via Fot <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
Hello FOT,
I am looking for recommendations on suspension bushings for my racecar. A l=
ittle Formula VEE spun into me and took out my front right upright/trunion =
this weekend at willow springs, so while I'm replacing the upright assembly=
, I figured it would be a good time to replace the old worn suspension bush=
ings. I have been told a number of different opinions from "poly bushings w=
ould be an improvement over your old worn out bushings" to "nylon is the on=
ly way to go" to "poly and nylon are terrible you need delrin bushings." So=
 in my lack of experience as a vintage triumph racecar driver, I'm asking y=
ou seasoned vets your opinions on the matter and why, what you are currentl=
y running, and if you could please provide me with where I can source the b=
ushings you recommend. Up until now, I haven't had any complaints with the =
handling characteristics of the car, but I know the bushings are ready for =
replacement. I haven't taken them out yet, so I'm not sure what is currentl=
y in there. Additionally, if you would be kind enough to spell it out for m=
e what type of bushings you run in which locations I would appreciate it.
Kas's catch phrase is "never be beaten by equipment" but that Formula VEE's=
 equipment beat me up pretty good as it was spinning across the track takin=
g me out with him...=C2=A0
Thanks!Jonathan Wright_______________________________________________
[email-masked]

m

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ly:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">I ran solid on my Spit - poly are good and much bet=
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                    On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:18:07 AM CDT, Phil Gott =
via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888"><div>On my TR4A I=
 run the stock set up at the trunnion. For the lower control arm inner pivo=
ts I use the factory Nylon/Delrin bushings for a TR3 lower inner control ar=
m bushings. I install grease fittings on the a arm and keep these greased.&=
nbsp;<div>On the upper inner control arm I also use the same TR3B lower inn=
er control arm</div><div>Bushings. They replace the rubber inserts perfectl=
y. I keep them well liubed with oil.&nbsp;</div><div>We also did a TR6 this=
 way. Works very well and quite robust.</div><div>Phil Gott</div><div><div>=
<div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888yqt7892766248" id=3D"ydp=
6c617b71yiv0825707888yqtfd58742"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e">On Mar 10, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;[email-masked]=
t&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div></div>=
<div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888yqt7892766248" id=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv08=
25707888yqtfd30083"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF</d=
iv></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"ydp6c617b=
71yiv0825707888yqt7892766248" id=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888yqtfd36177"></d=
iv><div><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888yqt7892766248" id=3D"ydp6c617=
b71yiv0825707888yqtfd31137">In my GT6 I run the bushings with steel inserts=
 I got from Scott Harper at Team Triumph. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t know what t=
hey are - black hard plastic with steel inserts - but they=E2=80=99ve been =
on the car for at least eight years with no signs of play and 5-6 race week=
ends a year. &nbsp;I take things apart very regularly to inspect - these ha=
ve worked well.<div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888"><div><br class=3D"yd=
p6c617b71yiv0825707888" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv08257078=
88">On Mar 10, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Wright via Fot &lt;<a class=3D"y=
dp6c617b71yiv0825707888" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><=
br class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888Apple-interchange-newline" clear=3D"non=
e"><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888"><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825=
707888" dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888">Hello FOT,</div=
><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888"><br class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707=
888" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888">I am look=
ing for recommendations on suspension bushings for my racecar. A little For=
mula VEE spun into me and took out my front right upright/trunion this week=
end at willow springs, so while I'm replacing the upright assembly, I figur=
ed it would be a good time to replace the old worn suspension bushings. I h=
ave been told a number of different opinions from "poly bushings would be a=
n improvement over your old worn out bushings" to "nylon is the only way to=
 go" to "poly and nylon are terrible you need delrin bushings." So in my la=
ck of experience as a vintage triumph racecar driver, I'm asking you season=
ed vets your opinions on the matter and why, what you are currently running=
, and if you could please provide me with where I can source the bushings y=
ou recommend. Up until now, I haven't had any complaints with the handling =
characteristics of the car, but I know the bushings are ready for replaceme=
nt. I haven't taken them out yet, so I'm not sure what is currently in ther=
e. Additionally, if you would be kind enough to spell it out for me what ty=
pe of bushings you run in which locations I would appreciate it.</div><div =
class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888"><br class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888" c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888">Kas's catch phr=
ase is "never be beaten by equipment" but that Formula VEE's equipment beat=
 me up pretty good as it was spinning across the track taking me out with h=
im...&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888"><br class=3D"ydp6c=
617b71yiv0825707888" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv08257=
07888">Thanks!</div><div class=3D"ydp6c617b71yiv0825707888">Jonathan Wright=
</div></div>
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Orders the set from Scott Harper at team triumph, he said he thinks they are=
 delrin but he isn=E2=80=99t sure. I=E2=80=99ll take Scott Janzens word that=
 they work well enough for him should be better than what I have.=20

Thanks for the help guys

Jon

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> On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Orders the set from Scott Harper at team tr=
iumph, he said he thinks they are delrin but he isn=E2=80=99t sure. I=E2=80=99=
ll take Scott Janzens word that they work well enough for him should be bett=
er than what I have.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the help guys</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Jon<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Sco=
tt Janzen &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" c=
ontent=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">In my GT6 I run the bushings with stee=
l inserts I got from Scott Harper at Team Triumph. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t kno=
w what they are - black hard plastic with steel inserts - but they=E2=80=99v=
e been on the car for at least eight years with no signs of play and 5-6 rac=
e weekends a year. &nbsp;I take things apart very regularly to inspect - the=
se have worked well.<div class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On M=
ar 10, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Wright via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@=
autox.team.net" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D=
"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div=
 class=3D"">Hello FOT,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D=
"">I am looking for recommendations on suspension bushings for my racecar. A=
 little Formula VEE spun into me and took out my front right upright/trunion=
 this weekend at willow springs, so while I'm replacing the upright assembly=
, I figured it would be a good time to replace the old worn suspension bushi=
ngs. I have been told a number of different opinions from "poly bushings wou=
ld be an improvement over your old worn out bushings" to "nylon is the only w=
ay to go" to "poly and nylon are terrible you need delrin bushings." So in m=
y lack of experience as a vintage triumph racecar driver, I'm asking you sea=
soned vets your opinions on the matter and why, what you are currently runni=
ng, and if you could please provide me with where I can source the bushings y=
ou recommend. Up until now, I haven't had any complaints with the handling c=
haracteristics of the car, but I know the bushings are ready for replacement=
. I haven't taken them out yet, so I'm not sure what is currently in there. A=
dditionally, if you would be kind enough to spell it out for me what type of=
 bushings you run in which locations I would appreciate it.</div><div class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Kas's catch phrase is "never be beat=
en by equipment" but that Formula VEE's equipment beat me up pretty good as i=
t was spinning across the track taking me out with him...&nbsp;</div><div cl=
ass=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks!</div><div class=3D"">J=
onathan Wright</div></div>
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