Subject: Re: [Fot] Seat belts

From: robert bownes via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 23:23:49 -0500

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My dad=E2=80=99s Fisher Body Ltd factory (outside Belfast, N. Ireland) made s=
eat belts for Opel and Vauxhall (and Holden iirc).

I got to see firsthand the crash test dummy in the sled in the testing depar=
tment. They were mostly testing mechanisms, but they also tested the UV effe=
ct on batches of webbing. Let us just say, despite my cheap nature, I have n=
ever, ever, been tempted to push the dates on seatbelts.  At 5 years exposur=
e, the extra stretch was about 25%, which was enough to hit a steering wheel=
. After that, it fell off dramatically. At 10 years, they were pretty much u=
seless, the dummy was in the safety net. And this met regulations at the tim=
e!

By the way, the safety net had to be replaced regularly too. The dent in the=
 cinder block wall spoke volumes. :)

> On Mar 4, 2020, at 22:19, kkjjk--- via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Understood, Phil, thanks!- Jay
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> From: Phil Gott <[email-masked]>
> To: kkjjk <[email-masked]>
> Cc: fot <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 4, 2020 10:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Seat belts
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> If your belts are certified by SFI they will be good for 2 years from the d=
ate of manufacture. If they carry an FIA certification, they will be accepte=
d for 5 years from the date of manufacture. SVRA enforces the dates to the m=
onth. SCCA will cut you some slack and let you go to the end of the calendar=
 year in which they expire.
> Phil Gott
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Mar 4, 2020, at 9:31 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:=

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>> Hello FOT-  Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?  I have re=
ad here on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.  I just g=
ot new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expire June 2022.  I t=
hought that belts were good for 5 years?   Could these belts be "old"(as in N=
OS) or are they only good for 2 years?  My present belts are over 5 years ol=
d.  Yikes!-- Jay
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">My dad=E2=80=99s Fisher Bo=
dy Ltd factory (outside Belfast, N. Ireland) made seat belts for Opel and Va=
uxhall (and Holden iirc).</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I=
 got to see firsthand the crash test dummy in the sled in the testing depart=
ment. They were mostly testing mechanisms, but they also tested the UV effec=
t on batches of webbing. Let us just say, despite my cheap nature, I have ne=
ver, ever, been tempted to push the dates on seatbelts. &nbsp;At 5 years exp=
osure, the extra stretch was about 25%, which was enough to hit a steering w=
heel. After that, it fell off dramatically. At 10 years, they were pretty mu=
ch useless, the dummy was in the safety net. And this met regulations at the=
 time!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">By the way, the safe=
ty net had to be replaced regularly too. The dent in the cinder block wall s=
poke volumes. :)</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 4, 2020, at 22:19, kkj=
jk--- via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt arial;">Under<font size=3D"2">stood, Ph=
il, thanks!- Jay<br>
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From: Phil Gott &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: kkjjk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Mar 4, 2020 10:13 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seat belts<br>
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<div>If your belts are certified by SFI they will be good for 2 years from t=
he date of manufacture. If they carry an FIA certification, they will be acc=
epted for 5 years from the date of manufacture. SVRA enforces the dates to t=
he month. SCCA will cut you some slack and let you go to the end of the cale=
ndar year in which they expire.
<div>Phil Gott<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 4, 2020=
, at 9:31 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D=
"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8225681691yqt2614023578" id=3D"yiv8225681691yqt46815">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial;"><font size=3D"2">Hello FOT-&nbsp=
; Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?&nbsp; I have read here o=
n FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.&nbsp; I just got n=
ew belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expire June 2022.&nbsp; I=
 thought that belts were good for 5 years? &nbsp; Could these belts be "old"=
(as in NOS) or are they only good for 2 years?&nbsp; My present belts are ov=
er 5 years old.&nbsp; Yikes!-- Jay<br clear=3D"none">
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From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:32:55 -0500

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Thank you Robert!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 4, 2020, at 11:23 PM, robert bownes <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> My dad=E2=80=99s Fisher Body Ltd factory (outside Belfast, N. Ireland) mad=
e seat belts for Opel and Vauxhall (and Holden iirc).
>=20
> I got to see firsthand the crash test dummy in the sled in the testing dep=
artment. They were mostly testing mechanisms, but they also tested the UV ef=
fect on batches of webbing. Let us just say, despite my cheap nature, I have=
 never, ever, been tempted to push the dates on seatbelts.  At 5 years expos=
ure, the extra stretch was about 25%, which was enough to hit a steering whe=
el. After that, it fell off dramatically. At 10 years, they were pretty much=
 useless, the dummy was in the safety net. And this met regulations at the t=
ime!
>=20
> By the way, the safety net had to be replaced regularly too. The dent in t=
he cinder block wall spoke volumes. :)
>> If your belts are certified by SFI they will be good for 2 years from the=
 date of manufacture. If they carry an FIA certification, they will be accep=
ted for 5 years from the date of manufacture. SVRA enforces the dates to the=
 month. SCCA will cut you some slack and let you go to the end of the calend=
ar year in which they expire.

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>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> Hello FOT-  Does anyone know how long seat belts are good for?  I have r=
ead here on FOT that SVRA will be checking belts at the Kastner Cup.  I just=
 got new belts from Summit Racing, and the tag says they expire June 2022.  I=
 thought that belts were good for 5 years?   Could these belts be "old"(as i=
n NOS) or are they only good for 2 years?  My present belts are over 5 years=
 old.  Yikes!-- Jay
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thank you Robert!<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">S=
ent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Ma=
r 4, 2020, at 11:23 PM, robert bownes &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br=
></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<met=
a http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">My dad=E2=80=99s Fisher Body Ltd factory (outside Belfast, N. Irel=
and) made seat belts for Opel and Vauxhall (and Holden iirc).</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I got to see firsthand the crash test dummy=
 in the sled in the testing department. They were mostly testing mechanisms,=
 but they also tested the UV effect on batches of webbing. Let us just say, d=
espite my cheap nature, I have never, ever, been tempted to push the dates o=
n seatbelts. &nbsp;At 5 years exposure, the extra stretch was about 25%, whi=
ch was enough to hit a steering wheel. After that, it fell off dramatically.=
 At 10 years, they were pretty much useless, the dummy was in the safety net=
. And this met regulations at the time!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">By the way, the safety net had to be replaced regularly too. Th=
e dent in the cinder block wall spoke volumes. :)</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te">On Mar 4, 2020, at 22:19, kkjjk--- via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wr=
ote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=
=BB=BF
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt arial;">Under<font size=3D"2">stood, Ph=
il, thanks!- Jay<br>
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Thank you Robert!

Sent from my iPhone

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From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:40:56 -0700

Back in my climbing days when I had my sewing business, I was interested 
in how nylon ropes and webbing deteriorated.  The number 1 killer was UV 
light.  And climbing gear, aat least when being used and not gathering 
dust in the basement, gets a LOT of exposure to sunlight.  The second 
major cause of wear was abrasion.  Obviously having a climbing rope 
slide over a rough edge is bad for it, but the less obvious and more 
common case is gritty dust particles getting trapped in the weave, 
causing a little bit of abrasion every time it moves.

Luckily, though, it is always cloudy and raining at racetracks, so seat 
belts never see sunshine, and there is never any dust blowing around 
that can settle on the webbing as the cars sit in the paddock.

mjb.

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