Subject: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing

From: Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2019 08:05:54 -0600

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Two feet in has its advantages=20

https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet dow=
n.
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> Merry Christmas.
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> Bill
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> On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote:
>> Whenever you start to spin it=E2=80=99s two feet in. I=E2=80=99ve been in=
 a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not follo=
wing this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards fol=
lowing an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers al=
ong the way.  Always go two feet in.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div><br></div><div>Two feet in has its adv=
antages&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><a href=3D"https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0">h=
ttps://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0</a><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07=
 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquot=
e></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
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    <p>Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both
      feet down.</p>
    <p>Merry Christmas.</p>
    <p>Bill<br>
    </p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via
      Fot wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      Whenever you start to spin it=E2=80=99s two feet in. I=E2=80=99ve been=
 in a few
      situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not
      following this advice and they always come rolling across the
      track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting
      a few unsuspecting racers along the way. &nbsp;Always go two feet in.&=
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From: Scottie Dalziel via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 12:47:35 -0500

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Aye Legge had a big one there=20
But a few decades earlier, long before that fencing was installed Teo Fabi
And a huge off near there in the can Am qualifying .  He left his machine up=
 in the trees =F0=9F=8C=B2 minus wheels . He climbed out of that one .
I asked him about that . Years latter ,when working the Detroit G P. =20
He thought a wee bit then a big grin came over his face and he offered  in h=
is  soft Italian  accent .=E2=80=9C yea that was a big one =E2=80=9C
It=E2=80=99s good when we can laugh at this stuff

Awrabest Scottie
Yep the kink had a big pucker factor=20

> On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> Yes, and if I recall I sure didn't expect her to walk away from that one..=
.but she did.
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> Bill Dentinger
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kramer <[email-masked]>
> To: Bill Dentinger <[email-masked]>
> Cc: Mike Harmuth <[email-masked]>; Greg Blake <[email-masked]>;=
 Fot <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2019 4:56 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing
>=20
> Wasn't there fence ripping accident on the back straight at RA? I think th=
at that was the Katherine Legge.
>=20
> Bob Kramer
>=20
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> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:13 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
> Mike...
>=20
> Great point.  Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, the trac=
ks were 'forgiving'.  If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing the lawn or=
 creating a dust cloud.  The only penalty was embarrassment.  I'll never for=
get then one first spring event I showed up for at Road America and it was l=
ike I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link Fencing.
>=20
> I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded it.=
  CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/snow fenc=
ing and crash into the crowd. =20
>=20
> No question that was a potential issue.  The change was a good idea...but d=
rivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' tracks.
>=20
> Bill Dentinger
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Harmuth via Fot <[email-masked]>
> To: Greg Blake <[email-masked]>
> Cc: FoTTriumph <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:42 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing
>=20
> You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it easier to avoid s=
tuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car width off the track=
, it's more like
> " If you spin, they're towing you in"
>=20
> mike h
>=20
>> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>> One of my experiences watching what happens when you don=E2=80=99t go two=
 in.=20
>>=20
>> https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c
>>=20
>> The MGB behind me was not so fortunate=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both feet d=
own.
>>>> Whenever you start to spin it=E2=80=99s two feet in. I=E2=80=99ve been i=
n a few situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not foll=
owing this advice and they always come rolling across the track backwards fo=
llowing an unpredictable path usually collecting a few unsuspecting racers a=
long the way.  Always go two feet in.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Aye Legge had a big one there&nbsp;<div>But=
 a few decades earlier, long before that fencing was installed Teo Fabi</div=
><div>And a huge off near there in the can Am qualifying . &nbsp;He left his=
 machine up in the trees =F0=9F=8C=B2 minus wheels . He climbed out of that o=
ne .</div><div>I asked him about that . Years latter ,when working the Detro=
it G P. &nbsp;</div><div>He thought a wee bit then a big grin came over his f=
ace and he offered &nbsp;in his &nbsp;soft Italian &nbsp;accent .=E2=80=9C y=
ea that was a big one =E2=80=9C</div><div>It=E2=80=99s good when we can laug=
h at this stuff</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Awrabest Scottie</div><div id=
=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Yep the kink had a big pucker factor&nbs=
p;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 26, 2019, at 1=
2:35 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></b=
lockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt arial;">
<div>Yes, and if I recall I sure didn't expect her to walk away from that on=
e...but she did.</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Bill Dentinger</div>

<div><br>
</div>
<br>
<br>

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riginal Message-----<br>
From: Bob Kramer &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Bill Dentinger &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: Mike Harmuth &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Greg Blake &lt;gblake58tr3@iclou=
d.com&gt;; Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2019 4:56 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Two feet in. Re: A-Type Overdrive Testing<br>
<br>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Wasn't there fence ripping accident on the back straight at=
 RA? I think that that was the Katherine Legge.
<div><br clear=3D"all">
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv3134218386gmail_signature" dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv3134218386gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1=
:13 PM Bill Dentinger via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:f=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div=
<blockquote class=3D"yiv3134218386gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">

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<div>Mike...</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div>Great point.&nbsp; Many years ago when I first started Vintage Racing, t=
he tracks were 'forgiving'.&nbsp; If you made a mistake, you spun off mowing=
 the lawn or creating a dust cloud.&nbsp; The only penalty was embarrassment=
.&nbsp; I'll never forget then one first spring event I showed up for at Roa=
d America and it was like I was in a street race, surrounded by Century Link=
 Fencing.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div>I was told that as far as Road America was concerned CART had demanded i=
t.&nbsp; CART was afraid one of their cars would leap the cement barriers/sn=
ow fencing and crash into the crowd. &nbsp;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div>No question that was a potential issue.&nbsp; The change was a good ide=
a...but drivers like me (prone to make errors) missed those 'forgiving' trac=
ks.</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

<div>Bill Dentinger</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>

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From: Mike Harmuth via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@au=
tox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
To: Greg Blake &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">You guys have a lot of nothing down there, sure makes it ea=
sier to avoid stuff. At Watkins Glen, with the guardrails about one car widt=
h off the track, it's more like

<div>" If you spin, they're towing you in"</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>mike h</div>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM Greg Blake via Fot &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener noreferr=
er" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div>

<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex;">

<div>One of my experiences watching what happens when you don=E2=80=99t go t=
wo in.&nbsp;

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div><a href=3D"https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noope=
ner noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">https://youtu.be/T7vsqHKaR7c</a></div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>The MGB behind me was not so fortunate&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">

<div><br clear=3D"none">

<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 25, 201=
9, at 8:06 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><b=
r clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div>

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<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>Two feet in has its advantages&nbsp;</div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<a href=3D"https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener n=
oreferrer" shape=3D"rect">https://youtu.be/p27lXSehRY0</a><br clear=3D"none"=
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9, at 6:07 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><b=
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<div>Another variation on the saying: If you're going around it's both
      feet down.</div>

   =20

<div>Merry Christmas.</div>

   =20

<div>Bill<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>

   =20

<div>On 12/24/2019 7:00 PM, Greg Blake via
      Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>

    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
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      Whenever you start to spin it=E2=80=99s two feet in. I=E2=80=99ve been=
 in a few
      situations where other drivers have tried to save a spin by not
      following this advice and they always come rolling across the
      track backwards following an unpredictable path usually collecting
      a few unsuspecting racers along the way.&nbsp; Always go two feet in.&=
nbsp;<br clear=3D"none">

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