Subject: Re: [Fot] Solid Six?

From: Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:01:57 -0500

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It=E2=80=99s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over e=
ach bay. It comes in terribly handy.=20

Don=E2=80=99t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don=E2=80=99=
t forget you may need that.=20

On that note, I=E2=80=99ve been accumulating Real  Machine Tools of late tha=
t all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those a=
nd the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work=
 to the welder sometimes.=20

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an ove=
rhead run 20' in.  Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the=
 lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 3=
0 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose re=
el but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan.=20
>=20
> Bob Kramer
>=20
>=20
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop.=
 Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses=
 and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe o=
n wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially a=
s we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small=
 room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface grinder=
.
>>=20
>> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs!=

>>=20
>> Ask me how I learned all this stuff!
>>=20
>> Happy New Year everyone.
>>=20
>> Cheers Bill
>>=20
>> On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote:
>>> Is that a 50 x 30?=20
>>>=20
>>> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfit=
ted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches and ai=
r lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide where to=
 put a lift.
>>>=20
>>> Bob Kramer
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:
>>>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member t=
hat is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track=
 for my TR3.  This will be my next project after outfitting my new headquart=
ers.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:
>>>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking.  The TR4 was based on a modified TR3=20=

>>>>> frame.  The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to eith=
er=20
>>>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.  The TR6 used basically the sam=
e=20
>>>>> frame.  Are there solid axle TR6s out there?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> mjb.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>It=E2=80=99s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over=
 each bay. It comes in terribly handy.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Don=E2=80=99t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220=
VAC, so don=E2=80=99t forget you may need that.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On that note, I=E2=80=99ve been accumulating Real=
 &nbsp;Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are goin=
g in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the w=
elder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes.&nbsp;</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer=
 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Those are grea=
t ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' in=
.&nbsp; Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts woul=
d be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circu=
it up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but drop=
ping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div=
><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">B=
ob Kramer</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tob=
in via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fot@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">
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   =20
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    <p>Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in
      the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this
      eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a
      workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also
      never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and
      eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small
      room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe
      surface grinder.</p>
    <p>While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the
      original specs!<br>
    </p>
    <p>Ask me how I learned all this stuff!</p>
    <p>Happy New Year everyone.</p>
    <p>Cheers Bill<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via
      Fot wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Is that a 50 x 30?&nbsp;
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to
          get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical,
          lighting, work benches&nbsp;and air lines. With a 12' front door o=
n
          a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift.</div>
        <div><br clear=3D"all">
          <div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div>
            </div>
          </div>
          <br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04
          PM John Styduhar via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div dir=3D"ltr">
            <div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I
              recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA
              club member that is in decent shape and have all the
              necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.&nbsp; This
              will be my next project after outfitting my new
              headquarters.&nbsp;</div>
          </div>
          <br>
          <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
            <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at
              10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">This TR3 Beta g=
ot me
              thinking.&nbsp; The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 <br>
              frame.&nbsp; The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and
              adaptable to either <br>
              the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.&nbsp; The TR6 used
              basically the same <br>
              frame.&nbsp; Are there solid axle TR6s out there?<br>
              <br>
              mjb.<br>
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From: Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:36:25 -0600

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Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose to run most
everything down the middle at 20'.  The welder and compressor 220V are on
the opposite wall from the breaker box..  I have another tip that I can
pass on from Robert MacKenzie,  I plan on a free floor lift and getting the
arms under teh car is always a pain.  Robert puts his car on a set of
dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze.
Bob Kramer

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

>
> It=E2=80=99s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel ov=
er each
> bay. It comes in terribly handy.
>
> Don=E2=80=99t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don=E2=
=80=99t forget you
> may need that.
>
> On that note, I=E2=80=99ve been accumulating Real  Machine Tools of late =
that all
> need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those and
> the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work
> to the welder sometimes.
>
> Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an
> overhead run 20' in.  Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts =
of
> the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an
> extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electr=
ic
> hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan.
>
> Bob Kramer
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop=
.
>> Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing ho=
ses
>> and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; mayb=
e
>> on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting
>> especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And ma=
ybe
>> have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe
>> surface grinder.
>>
>> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs=
!
>> Is that a 50 x 30?
>> I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it
>> outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work
>> benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can=
't
>> decide where to put a lift.
>>
>> Bob Kramer
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot <
>> [email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>> I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member
>>> that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide
>>> track for my TR3.  This will be my next project after outfitting my new
>>> headquarters.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <
>>> [email-masked]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This TR3 Beta got me thinking.  The TR4 was based on a modified TR3
>>>> frame.  The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to
>>>> either
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choo=
se=C2=A0to run most everything down the middle at 20&#39;.=C2=A0 The welder=
=C2=A0and compressor 220V are on the opposite=C2=A0wall from the breaker bo=
x..=C2=A0 I have another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie,=C2=
=A0 I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is alway=
s a pain.=C2=A0 Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the ar=
m swing a breeze.<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_sig=
nature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div=
></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">It=E2=80=99s overkill, but I have an el=
ectrical reel and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy.=
=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Don=E2=80=99t know =
about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don=E2=80=99t forget you may=
 need that.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On that =
note, I=E2=80=99ve been accumulating Real =C2=A0Machine Tools of late that =
all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for those an=
d the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the work=
 to the welder sometimes.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing syste=
m and I have an overhead run 20&#39; in.=C2=A0 Dropping a line down and mou=
nting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think=
 ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using=
 a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might=
 be a better plan.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52=
 AM Bill Tobin via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex">
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   =20
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    <p>Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in
      the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this
      eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a
      workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also
      never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and
      eyesight isn&#39;t quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small
      room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe
      surface grinder.</p>
    <p>While you&#39;re at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the
      original specs!<br>
    </p>
    <p>Ask me how I learned all this stuff!</p>
    <p>Happy New Year everyone.</p>
    <p>Cheers Bill<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via
      Fot wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Is that a 50 x 30?=C2=A0
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to
          get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical,
          lighting, work benches=C2=A0and air lines. With a 12&#39; front d=
oor on
          a 30&#39; front, I still can&#39;t decide where to put a lift.</d=
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            <div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I
              recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA
              club member that is in decent shape and have all the
              necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.=C2=A0 This
              will be my next project after outfitting my new
              headquarters.=C2=A0</div>
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 got me
              thinking.=C2=A0 The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 <br>
              frame.=C2=A0 The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and
              adaptable to either <br>
              the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.=C2=A0 The TR6 used
              basically the same <br>
              frame.=C2=A0 Are there solid axle TR6s out there?<br>
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Bob, I usually drive my race cars up onto wood ramps to allow the arms to=
 swing under. =C2=A0They=E2=80=99re made of doubled 2X8s with staggered 4=
5=CB=9A angles at one end (so I can drive up the first 1-1/2=E2=80=9D and=
 have the tire completely on the board already before going up the second=
 1-1/2=E2=80=9D rise) and scraps of inner tube stapled to the bottom to k=
eep them from sliding on the floor as I drive on.

Duncan
On Dec 31, 2019, 11:36 AM -0600, Bob Kramer via =46ot <fot=40autox.team.n=
et>, wrote:
> Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose=C2=A0to ru=
n most everything down the middle at 20'.=C2=A0 The welder=C2=A0and compr=
essor 220V are on the opposite=C2=A0wall from the breaker box..=C2=A0 I h=
ave another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie,=C2=A0 I plan on=
 a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain.=C2=
=A0 Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a =
breeze.
> Bob Kramer
>
>
> > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri <bownes=40seiri.co=
m> wrote:
> > >
> > > It=E2=80=99s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose r=
eel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy.
> > >
> > > Don=E2=80=99t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so d=
on=E2=80=99t forget you may need that.
> > >
> > > On that note, I=E2=80=99ve been accumulating Real =C2=A0Machine Too=
ls of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the=
 shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to th=
e work than the work to the welder sometimes.
> > >
> > > > On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via =46ot <fot=40autox.team=
.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I ha=
ve an overhead run 20' in.=C2=A0 Dropping a line down and mounting it on =
both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and=
 wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retra=
ctable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a =
better plan.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Kramer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via =46ot <fot=40aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot =
in the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates =
stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the =
lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or=
 lighting especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to b=
e=21 And maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling mac=
hine and maybe surface grinder.
> > > > > > While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the ori=
ginal specs=21
> > > > > > Ask me how I learned all this stuff=21
> > > > > > Happy New Year everyone.
> > > > > > Cheers Bill
> > > > > > On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via =46ot wrote:
> > > > > > > Is that a 50 x 30=3F
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to =
get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, wor=
k benches=C2=A0and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I sti=
ll can't decide where to put a lift.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bob Kramer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via =46ot =
<fot=40autox.team.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow W=
PTA club member that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits t=
o build a wide track for my TR3.=C2=A0 This will be my next project after=
 outfitting my new headquarters.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via =
=46ot <fot=40autox.team.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > This TR3 Beta got me thinking.=C2=A0 The TR4 was ba=
sed on a modified TR3
> > > > > > > > > > > frame.=C2=A0 The TR4A frame was a totally new desig=
n, and adaptable to either
> > > > > > > > > > > the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.=C2=A0 The TR=
6 used basically the same
> > > > > > > > > > > frame.=C2=A0 Are there solid axle TR6s out there=3F=

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<div dir=3D=22auto=22>Bob, I usually drive my race cars up onto wood ramp=
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ed 2X8s with staggered 45=CB=9A angles at one end (so I can drive up the =
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<div name=3D=22messageReplySection=22>On Dec 31, 2019, 11:36 AM -0600, Bo=
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<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth =
I choose&=23160;to run most everything down the middle at 20'.&=23160; Th=
e welder&=23160;and compressor 220V are on the opposite&=23160;wall from =
the breaker box..&=23160; I have another tip that I can pass on from Robe=
rt MacKenzie,&=23160; I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms un=
der teh car is always a pain.&=23160; Robert puts his car on a set of dol=
lies first. makes the arm swing a breeze.<br clear=3D=22all=22 />
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<div dir=3D=22ltr=22 class=3D=22gmail=5Fattr=22>On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1=
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<div dir=3D=22ltr=22><br /></div>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>It=E2=80=99s overkill, but I have an electrical reel=
 and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy.&=23160;</di=
v>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22><br /></div>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Don=E2=80=99t know about the planned lift, but mine =
is 220VAC, so don=E2=80=99t forget you may need that.&=23160;</div>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22><br /></div>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>On that note, I=E2=80=99ve been accumulating Real &=23=
160;Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are goin=
g in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move t=
he welder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes.&=23160;</div=
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22><br />
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in: 5px 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: thin solid =233498db;=22>On=
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<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing sy=
stem and I have an overhead run 20' in.&=23160; Dropping a line down and =
mounting it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did =
think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning o=
n using a retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the po=
sts might be a better plan.&=23160;
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<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Bob Kramer</div>
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<p>Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the sh=
op. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing=
 hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area=
; maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting=
 especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be=21 And =
maybe have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and =
maybe surface grinder.</p>
<p>While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original spe=
cs=21<br /></p>
<p>Ask me how I learned all this stuff=21</p>
<p>Happy New Year everyone.</p>
<p>Cheers Bill<br /></p>
<div>On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via =46ot wrote:<br /></div>
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<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Is that a 50 x 30=3F&=23160;
<div><br /></div>
<div>I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it ou=
tfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches=
&=23160;and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can'=
t decide where to put a lift.</div>
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<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Bob Kramer</div>
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<div dir=3D=22ltr=22 class=3D=22gmail=5Fattr=22>On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 1=
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net=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22>fot=40autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br /><=
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<div class=3D=22gmail=5Fdefault=22 style=3D=22font-size:small=22>I recent=
ly picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in=
 decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for m=
y TR3.&=23160; This will be my next project after outfitting my new headq=
uarters.&=23160;</div>
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<div dir=3D=22ltr=22 class=3D=22gmail=5Fattr=22>On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 1=
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frame.&=23160; The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to =
either<br />
the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.&=23160; The TR6 used basically the=
 same<br />
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I did that for years and I am looking for a better way!
Bob Kramer

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:13 PM Duncan Charlton <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Bob, I usually drive my race cars up onto wood ramps to allow the arms to
> swing under.  They=E2=80=99re made of doubled 2X8s with staggered 45=CB=
=9A angles at one
> end (so I can drive up the first 1-1/2=E2=80=9D and have the tire complet=
ely on the
> board already before going up the second 1-1/2=E2=80=9D rise) and scraps =
of inner
> tube stapled to the bottom to keep them from sliding on the floor as I
> drive on.
>
> Duncan
> On Dec 31, 2019, 11:36 AM -0600, Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>,
> wrote:
>
> pass on from Robert MacKenzie,  I plan on a free floor lift and getting t=
he
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> It=E2=80=99s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel o=
ver each
>> Don=E2=80=99t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don=E2=
=80=99t forget
>> you may need that.
>>
>> On that note, I=E2=80=99ve been accumulating Real  Machine Tools of late=
 that all
>> the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than the wor=
k
>> to the welder sometimes.
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>> overhead run 20' in.  Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts=
 of
>> extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable elect=
ric
>>> Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the
>>> shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates strin=
ging
>>> hoses and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift are=
a;
>>> maybe on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting
>>> especially as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And m=
aybe
>>> have a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and mayb=
e
>>> surface grinder.
>>>
>>> While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original spec=
s!
>>> benches and air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still ca=
n't
>>>> that is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wid=
e
>>>> track for my TR3.  This will be my next project after outfitting my ne=
w
>>>>> the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.  The TR6 used basically the sa=
me
t
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I did that for years and I am looking for a better way!<br=
 clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartma=
il=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:13 PM Duncan Charlton &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:duncan.=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div name=3D"messageBodySection">
<div dir=3D"auto">Bob, I usually drive my race cars up onto wood ramps to a=
llow the arms to swing under.=C2=A0 They=E2=80=99re made of doubled 2X8s wi=
th staggered 45=CB=9A angles at one end (so I can drive up the first 1-1/2=
=E2=80=9D and have the tire completely on the board already before going up=
 the second 1-1/2=E2=80=9D rise) and scraps of inner tube stapled to the bo=
ttom to keep them from sliding on the floor as I drive on.</div>
</div>
<div name=3D"messageSignatureSection"><br>
<div>Duncan</div>
</div>
<div name=3D"messageReplySection">On Dec 31, 2019, 11:36 AM -0600, Bob Kram=
er via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fot@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt;, wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"margin:5px;padding-left:10px;border-left=
:thin solid rgb(26,188,156)">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choo=
se=C2=A0to run most everything down the middle at 20&#39;.=C2=A0 The welder=
=C2=A0and compressor 220V are on the opposite=C2=A0wall from the breaker bo=
x..=C2=A0 I have another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie,=C2=
=A0 I plan on a free floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is alway=
s a pain.=C2=A0 Robert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the ar=
m swing a breeze.<br clear=3D"all">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob =
Bownes -Seiri &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">bow=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:5px;padding-left:10px;bor=
der-left:thin solid rgb(230,126,34)">
<div dir=3D"auto">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">It=E2=80=99s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and a=
ir hose reel over each bay. It comes in terribly handy.=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Don=E2=80=99t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220=
VAC, so don=E2=80=99t forget you may need that.=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On that note, I=E2=80=99ve been accumulating Real =C2=A0Ma=
chine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in aro=
und the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder =
to the work than the work to the welder sometimes.=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"margin:5px;padding-left:10px;border-left=
:thin solid rgb(52,152,219)">On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div dir=3D"ltr">Those are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system a=
nd I have an overhead run 20&#39; in.=C2=A0 Dropping a line down and mounti=
ng it on both posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ah=
ead and wired in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a =
retractable electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be=
 a better plan.=C2=A0
<div><br></div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill =
Tobin via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">f=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:5px;padding-left:10px;bor=
der-left:thin solid rgb(211,84,0)">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop=
. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hos=
es and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; mayb=
e on wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especia=
lly as we age and eyesight isn&#39;t quite what is used to be! And maybe ha=
ve a small room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surf=
ace grinder.</p>
<p>While you&#39;re at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original s=
pecs!<br></p>
<p>Ask me how I learned all this stuff!</p>
<p>Happy New Year everyone.</p>
<p>Cheers Bill<br></p>
<div>On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"margin:5px;padding-left:10px;border-left=
:thin solid rgb(52,73,94)">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Is that a 50 x 30?=C2=A0
<div><br></div>
<div>I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outf=
itted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches=C2=
=A0and air lines. With a 12&#39; front door on a 30&#39; front, I still can=
&#39;t decide where to put a lift.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div>
</div>
</div>
<br></div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John=
 Styduhar via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:5px;padding-left:10px;bor=
der-left:thin solid rgb(46,204,113)">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I recently picked up=
 an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member that is in decent shape =
and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.=C2=A0 Thi=
s will be my next project after outfitting my new headquarters.=C2=A0</div>
</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark=
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ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:5px;padding-left:10px;bor=
der-left:thin solid rgb(155,89,182)">This TR3 Beta got me thinking.=C2=A0 T=
he TR4 was based on a modified TR3<br>
frame.=C2=A0 The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to eith=
er<br>
the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.=C2=A0 The TR6 used basically the sam=
e<br>
frame.=C2=A0 Are there solid axle TR6s out there?<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
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 Ditto for issues getting the lift swing arms under a low car.=C2=A0 I usua=
lly run mine up on some square patio stones which takes a lot less time tha=
n getting it on the 4 dollies first.=C2=A0 Its worked on some pretty low co=
mpetition cars.
    On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 12:36:36 PM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot=
@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose=C2=A0to run m=
ost everything down the middle at 20'.=C2=A0 The welder=C2=A0and compressor=
 220V are on the opposite=C2=A0wall from the breaker box..=C2=A0 I have ano=
ther tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie,=C2=A0 I plan on a free f=
loor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain.=C2=A0 Robert=
 puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze.
Bob Kramer

It=E2=80=99s overkill, but I have an electrical reel and air hose reel over=
 each bay. It comes in terribly handy.=C2=A0
Don=E2=80=99t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don=E2=80=
=99t forget you may need that.=C2=A0
On that note, I=E2=80=99ve been accumulating Real =C2=A0Machine Tools of la=
te that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops are going in around the shop for =
those and the welder. I find it easier to move the welder to the work than =
the work to the welder sometimes.=C2=A0

=EF=BB=BFThose are great ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I hav=
e an overhead run 20' in.=C2=A0 Dropping a line down and mounting it on bot=
h posts of the lifts would be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wire=
d in an extra 30 amp circuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable =
electric hose reel but dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better pl=
an.=C2=A0
Bob Kramer

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:

 =20
Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in the shop. A=
lso run air and power outlets to the lift; this eliminates stringing hoses =
and cords across the floor. Put a workbench close to the lift area; maybe o=
n wheels. You can also never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially=
 as we age and eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a sm=
all room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe surface gri=
nder.
=20
While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the original specs!
=20
=20
Ask me how I learned all this stuff!
=20
Happy New Year everyone.
=20
Cheers Bill
=20
 On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote:
 =20
 Is that a 50 x 30?=C2=A0=20
  I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to get it outfitt=
ed between other stuff. Shelving, electrical, lighting, work benches=C2=A0a=
nd air lines. With a 12' front door on a 30' front, I still can't decide wh=
ere to put a lift.=20
   Bob Kramer  =20
  =20
  On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Styduhar via Fot <[email-masked]=
t> wrote:
 =20
  I recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA club member th=
at is in decent shape and have all the necessary bits to build a wide track=
 for my TR3.=C2=A0 This will be my next project after outfitting my new hea=
dquarters.=C2=A0 =20
  On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:
 =20
This TR3 Beta got me thinking.=C2=A0 The TR4 was based on a modified TR3=20
 frame.=C2=A0 The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and adaptable to eit=
her=20
 the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.=C2=A0 The TR6 used basically the sa=
me=20
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpf93620c0yahoo-style-wrap" style=
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ly: Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">Ditto for issues getting the lift swing arms under =
a low car.&nbsp; I usually run mine up on some square patio stones which ta=
kes a lot less time than getting it on the 4 dollies first.&nbsp; Its worke=
d on some pretty low competition cars.</div><div class=3D"ydpf93620c0yahoo-=
style-wrap" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif=
; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div class=3D"ydpf93620c0yahoo-style-wrap" st=
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 12:36:36 PM EST, Bob Kra=
mer via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6996304770"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Got all the power stuff covered. With 40 foot depth I choose&nbsp;to r=
un most everything down the middle at 20'.&nbsp; The welder&nbsp;and compre=
ssor 220V are on the opposite&nbsp;wall from the breaker box..&nbsp; I have=
 another tip that I can pass on from Robert MacKenzie,&nbsp; I plan on a fr=
ee floor lift and getting the arms under teh car is always a pain.&nbsp; Ro=
bert puts his car on a set of dollies first. makes the arm swing a breeze.<=
br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6996304770gmail_signature=
" dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br clear=3D"non=
e"></div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6996304770yqt561307=
2732" id=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6996304770yqt26640"><div class=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6=
996304770gmail_quote"><div class=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6996304770gmail_attr" dir=
=3D"ltr">On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:01 AM Bob Bownes -Seiri &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote class=
=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6996304770gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">It=E2=80=99s overkill, but I=
 have an electrical reel and air hose reel over each bay. It comes in terri=
bly handy.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Don=E2=80=99t know about the planned lift, but mine is 220VAC, so don=
=E2=80=99t forget you may need that.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On that note, I=E2=80=99ve been accumulati=
ng Real &nbsp;Machine Tools of late that all need 220 3phase. So 220 drops =
are going in around the shop for those and the welder. I find it easier to =
move the welder to the work than the work to the welder sometimes.&nbsp;</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 31,=
 2019, at 11:54, Bob Kramer via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Those are gre=
at ideas. I used the RapidAir tubing system and I have an overhead run 20' =
in.&nbsp; Dropping a line down and mounting it on both posts of the lifts w=
ould be a simple upgrade.. I did think ahead and wired in an extra 30 amp c=
ircuit up top. I was planning on using a retractable electric hose reel but=
 dropping an outlet to the posts might be a better plan.&nbsp;<div><br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</di=
v></div></div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=
=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6996304770gmail_quote"><div class=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv699630=
4770gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bill Tobin via =
Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofo=
llow" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></=
div><blockquote class=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6996304770gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x;">
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  <div>
    <p>Bob put the lift in the easiest accessible best lighted spot in
      the shop. Also run air and power outlets to the lift; this
      eliminates stringing hoses and cords across the floor. Put a
      workbench close to the lift area; maybe on wheels. You can also
      never have too much shelving. Or lighting especially as we age and
      eyesight isn't quite what is used to be! And maybe have a small
      room sectioned off for your lathe milling machine and maybe
      surface grinder.</p>
    <p>While you're at it maybe add another 10 or 20 feet to the
      original specs!<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>Ask me how I learned all this stuff!</p>
    <p>Happy New Year everyone.</p>
    <p>Cheers Bill<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div>On 12/31/2019 8:46 AM, Bob Kramer via
      Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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      <div dir=3D"ltr">Is that a 50 x 30?&nbsp;
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
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        <div>I built a 30 X 40 and it took the better part of a year to
          get it outfitted between other stuff. Shelving, electrical,
          lighting, work benches&nbsp;and air lines. With a 12' front door =
on
          a 30' front, I still can't decide where to put a lift.</div>
        <div><br clear=3D"all">
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              <div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div>
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        <div class=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6996304770gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mo=
n, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:04
          PM John Styduhar via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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gt;
          wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex;">
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            <div class=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6996304770gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:small;">I
              recently picked up an early TR4 frame from a fellow WPTA
              club member that is in decent shape and have all the
              necessary bits to build a wide track for my TR3.&nbsp; This
              will be my next project after outfitting my new
              headquarters.&nbsp;</div>
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            <div class=3D"ydpd9b0967ayiv6996304770gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">O=
n Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at
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              thinking.&nbsp; The TR4 was based on a modified TR3 <br clear=
=3D"none">
              frame.&nbsp; The TR4A frame was a totally new design, and
              adaptable to either <br clear=3D"none">
              the IRS or solid axle rear suspension.&nbsp; The TR6 used
              basically the same <br clear=3D"none">
              frame.&nbsp; Are there solid axle TR6s out there?<br clear=3D=
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