Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK

From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 13:33:44 -0500

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Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion. Eliminat=
ing the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable gasket thickn=
esses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of protrusion due to ga=
sket compression ( more likely with copper than with steel).

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot <[email-masked]=
.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correc=
t protrusion, the liner will hourglass .=20
> Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed wit=
h boring and honing to final finish size .=20
>=20
> Yes , a lot of work but you=E2=80=99ll get better ring seal and hopefully n=
ot stick a piston :-)
>=20
> Merry Christmas to all=20
> T
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>> The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm.
>> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything=
 on them.
>> Glen
>> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough  with the norma=
l thickness?
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <[email-masked]>
>> To: Greg Blake <[email-masked]>
>> Cc: fot <[email-masked]>
>> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston L=
iner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK
>>=20
>> The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018".
>> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough  with the norma=
l thickness?
>> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of m=
achining.
>> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was alwa=
ys satisfied.
>> Marcel.
>>=20
>> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>> Van: "fot" <[email-masked]>
>> Aan: "fot" <[email-masked]>
>> Verzonden: Zondag 15 december 2019 18:49:51
>> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Lin=
er - Racetorations from Racetorations UK
>>=20
>> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used=
 these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing.=20
>>=20
>> Thanks=20
>> Greg. =20
>>=20
>>=20
>> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-engi=
ne-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p9=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Daryl advocates decking the block as well T=
o get proper protrusion. Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrus=
ion due to variable gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the poss=
ible loss of protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper t=
han with steel).<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and An=
nie Garmey via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></d=
iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">

Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusion=
, the liner will hourglass .&nbsp;
<div>Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed w=
ith boring and honing to final finish size .&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes , a lot of work but you=E2=80=99ll get better ring seal and hopeful=
ly not stick a piston :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Merry Christmas to all&nbsp;</div>
<div>T<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.=
team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div><font size=3D"2">The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm.=
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">I have no experience with the liners in question, so c=
an't offer anything on them.<br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Glen<br>
</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;">Why th=
icker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough&nbsp; with the normal th=
ickness?</blockquote>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----O=
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From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: Greg Blake &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">gblake58tr3@icl=
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Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Line=
r - Racetorations from Racetorations UK<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0=
.018".<br clear=3D"none">
Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough&nbsp; with the nor=
mal thickness?<br clear=3D"none">
Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of mach=
ining.<br clear=3D"none">
I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always s=
atisfied.<br clear=3D"none">
Marcel.<br clear=3D"none">
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Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner -=
 Racetorations from Racetorations UK<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used th=
ese liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing.
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Thanks <br clear=3D"none">
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Sent from my iPhone

ot stick a piston :-)
 on them.
l thickness?
l thickness?
achining.
ys satisfied.
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com
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From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 21:39:00 +0100 (CET)

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Van: "van mulders marcel" <[email-masked]>=20
Aan: "Phil Gott" <[email-masked]>=20
Verzonden: Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40=20
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston L=
iner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK=20

That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones.=20
The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : probably =
not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an advantage to=
 get a flat top face and the right protrusion of the liners everywhere. Few=
 blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is not even everywh=
ere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the longer liners that Da=
ryll is selling, not only the 72 =C2=A3 a set!=20
Marcel=20

Van: "fot" <[email-masked]>=20
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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston L=
iner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK=20

Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion. Elimina=
ting the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable gasket thic=
knesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of protrusion due to=
 gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with steel).=20

Sent from my iPhone=20

On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:=20

BQ_BEGIN

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Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusio=
n, the liner will hourglass .=20
Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed with=
 boring and honing to final finish size .=20

ot stick a piston :-)=20

T=20

Sent from my iPhone=20

On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:[email-masked] |=
 [email-masked] ] > wrote:=20

BQ_BEGIN

The liners distort a lot when torqued down, even 87mm.=20
I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything o=
n them.=20
Glen=20

BQ_BEGIN
Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal t=
hickness?=20
BQ_END

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Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Lin=
er - Racetorations from Racetorations UK=20

The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or 0.018".=20
Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough with the normal t=
hickness?=20
Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of mac=
hining.=20
I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always=
 satisfied.=20
Marcel.=20

----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----=20
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Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner=
 - Racetorations from Racetorations UK=20

I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used t=
hese liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing.=20

Thanks=20
Greg.=20

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: </b>"van mulders marcel" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Aan:=
 </b>"Phil Gott" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>Maandag 16 d=
ecember 2019 21:37:40<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A=
 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK<=
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0"><div>That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones=
.</div><div>The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006=
 : probably not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an =
advantage to get a flat top face&nbsp; and the right protrusion of the line=
rs everywhere. Few blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion i=
s not even everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the lon=
ger liners that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 =C2=A3 a set!<br></div><=
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rp: </b>Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Line=
r - Racetorations from Racetorations UK<br></div><br><div>Daryl advocates d=
ecking the block as well To get proper protrusion. Eliminating the gasket r=
educes variation in protrusion due to variable gasket thicknesses, and also=
 eliminates some of the possible loss of protrusion due to gasket compressi=
on ( more likely with copper than with steel).<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent=
 from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote>On Dec 16, 2019, at 1=
:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br>=
<br></blockquote></div><blockquote><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

</div></blockquote>

Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct protrusio=
n, the liner will hourglass .&nbsp;
<div>Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed=
 with boring and honing to final finish size .&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes , a lot of work but you=E2=80=99ll get better ring seal and hopefu=
lly not stick a piston :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Merry Christmas to all&nbsp;</div>
<div>T<br>
<br>
<div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:55 AM, fubog1 via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox=
.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer=
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<blockquote>
<div>
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif">
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small">The liners distort a lot when torqued =
down, even 87mm.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small">I have no experience with the liners i=
n question, so can't offer anything on them.<br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small">Glen<br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica';font-size:10pt;color:black"=
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid blue;padding-left:3px">Why thick=
er walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough&nbsp; with the normal thic=
kness?</blockquote>
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Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 10:49 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Lin=
er - Racetorations from Racetorations UK<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010" : 0.016 or=
 0.018".<br clear=3D"none">
Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough&nbsp; with the no=
rmal thickness?<br clear=3D"none">
Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of mac=
hining.<br clear=3D"none">
I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was always=
 satisfied.<br clear=3D"none">
Marcel.<br clear=3D"none">
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Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner=
 - Racetorations from Racetorations UK<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used t=
hese liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing.
<br clear=3D"none">
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Thanks <br clear=3D"none">
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87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-p914" target=3D"_blank">http://www.raceto=
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I've seen blocks that were faced with a slope to one side. Could have been
bad prior machine work or that the factory registered the deck surface to
the figure eight's and not the oil pan surface.

Bob Kramer

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <
[email-masked]> wrote:

>
>
> ------------------------------
> *Van: *"van mulders marcel" <[email-masked]>
> *Aan: *"Phil Gott" <[email-masked]>
> *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40
> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall
> Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK
>
> That's why the copper gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones.
> The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : probabl=
y
> not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an advantage =
to
> get a flat top face  and the right protrusion of the liners everywhere. F=
ew
> blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is not even
> everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the longer liner=
s
> that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 =C2=A3 a set!
> Marcel
> ------------------------------
> *Van: *"fot" <[email-masked]>
> *Aan: *"Tony and Annie Garmey" <[email-masked]>
> *Cc: *"fot" <[email-masked]>, "fubog1" <[email-masked]>
> *Verzonden: *Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44
> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall
> Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK
>
> Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get proper protrusion.
> Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to variable
> gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss of
> protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than with
> steel).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> Regardless of who makes or supplies the liners , with the correct
> protrusion, the liner will hourglass .
> Only way to correct this is the use of a torque plate and then proceed
> with boring and honing to final finish size .
>
> Yes , a lot of work but you=E2=80=99ll get better ring seal and hopefully=
 not
> stick a piston :-)
> Merry Christmas to all
> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anything
> on them.
> Glen
>
l
> thickness?
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston
> Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK
>
l
> thickness?
> Boring up to 89mm : I would rather buy 89mm liners, without the need of
> machining.
> I bought several parts from Racetorations (Darryl Uprichard) and was
> always satisfied.
> Marcel.
>
> Onderwerp: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston
> Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK
>
> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has used
> these liners and done so w/o fo8 gaskets as described in the listing.
>
> Thanks
> Greg.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve seen blocks that were faced with a slope to one s=
ide. Could have been bad prior machine work or that the factory registered =
the deck surface to the figure eight&#39;s and not the oil pan surface.<div=
><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-sma=
rtmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br=
></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0=
)"><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"gmail-m_114305748355406090zwchr"=
><div><b>Van: </b>&quot;van mulders marcel&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:van.=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;<br><b>Aan: </b>&quot;Phil Gott&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vfracing=
@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>M=
aandag 16 december 2019 21:37:40<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Racetoratio=
ns TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Raceto=
rations UK<br></div><br><div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>That&#39;s why the cop=
per gaskets are a bit thicker than the steel ones.</div><div>The liners of =
Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 : probably not relevant?)=
 and the block can be milled : that is surely an advantage to get a flat to=
p face=C2=A0 and the right protrusion of the liners everywhere. Few blocks =
are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion is not even everywhere. So =
I do agree that there is a lot to say for the longer liners that Daryll is =
selling, not only the 72 =C2=A3 a set!<br></div><div>Marcel</div><hr id=3D"=
gmail-m_114305748355406090zwchr"><div><b>Van: </b>&quot;fot&quot; &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;<br><b>Aan: </b>&quot;Tony and Annie Garmey&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Cc: </b>&quot;fot&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, &quot;fubog1&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Verzon=
den: </b>Maandag 16 december 2019 19:33:44<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] R=
acetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations f=
rom Racetorations UK<br></div><br><div>Daryl advocates decking the block as=
 well To get proper protrusion. Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in=
 protrusion due to variable gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of=
 the possible loss of protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely wi=
th copper than with steel).<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote>On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and An=
nie Garmey via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote=
><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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n, the liner will hourglass .=C2=A0
 with boring and honing to final finish size .=C2=A0</div>
<div>Merry Christmas to all=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
n question, so can&#39;t offer anything on them.<br>
er walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough=C2=A0 with the normal thic=
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The figure of 8 gaskets are thicker than 0.010&quot; : 0.0=
16 or 0.018&quot;.<br clear=3D"none">
Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough=C2=A0 with the no=
Van: &quot;fot&quot; &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer nofol=
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From: John Styduhar via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:21:19 -0500

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I sent an inquiry to Racetorations concerning their no-gasket liners and
received the following information from Darryl Uprichard.

John,

The liners at their interface with the block location holes do not require
machining. The block in this area does. Just needs a* very light face* and
at the same time ensuring that the liners will fit at a* true 90degrees to
the head face.*

Liner deck height to block should *ideally be .005".* .003" minimum. .007"
maximum.

Regards,  Darryl.

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 3:57 PM Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I've seen blocks that were faced with a slope to one side. Could have bee=
n
>> The liners of Darryl are sitting a little bit lower (some 0.006 :
>> probably not relevant?) and the block can be milled : that is surely an
>> advantage to get a flat top face  and the right protrusion of the liners
>> everywhere. Few blocks are truly flat and in most cases the protrusion i=
s
>> not even everywhere. So I do agree that there is a lot to say for the
>> longer liners that Daryll is selling, not only the 72 =C2=A3 a set!
>> Marcel
>> Yes , a lot of work but you=E2=80=99ll get better ring seal and hopefull=
y not
>> I have no experience with the liners in question, so can't offer anythin=
g
>> on them.
>> Glen
>>
>> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough  with the
>> normal thickness?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Why thicker walls on a 87mm liner, they are strong enough  with the
>> normal thickness?
>> I came across this advertisement today and was curious if anyone has use=
d
>> http://www.racetorations.co.uk/triumph-c56/tr3-c4/tr3-engine-c13/tr3-eng=
ine-bottom-end-c160/racetorations-tr2-4a-87mm-89mm-thick-wall-piston-liner-=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I s=
ent an inquiry to Racetorations concerning their no-gasket liners and recei=
ved the following information from Darryl Uprichard.</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-size:small">John,<br><br>The liners at their interface with=
 the block location holes do not require machining. The block in this area =
does. Just needs a<b>=C2=A0very light face</b>=C2=A0and at the same time en=
suring that the liners will fit at a<b>=C2=A0true 90degrees to the head fac=
e.</b><br><br>Liner deck height to block should=C2=A0<b>ideally be .005&quo=
t;.</b>=C2=A0.003&quot; minimum. .007&quot; maximum.<br><br>Regards,=C2=A0 =
Darryl.<div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 3:57 PM Bob Kramer vi=
a Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve seen blocks that were faced with a slo=
pe to one side. Could have been bad prior machine work or that the factory =
registered the deck surface to the figure eight&#39;s and not the oil pan s=
urface.<div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kr=
amer</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM van.mulders=
.marcel--- via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div><br></div><div><br></div=
><hr id=3D"gmail-m_1269012596000627999gmail-m_-8521543903311731654gmail-m_-=
1684229752253606248gmail-m_114305748355406090zwchr"><div><b>Van: </b>&quot;=
van mulders marcel&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
e" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Aan: </b>&=
quot;Phil Gott&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>Maandag 16 december 2019 =
21:37:40<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 - 4A 87mm - 89mm =
Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations UK<br></div><br>=
<div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size=
:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>That&#39;s why the copper gaskets are a bit th=
icker than the steel ones.</div><div>The liners of Darryl are sitting a lit=
tle bit lower (some 0.006 : probably not relevant?) and the block can be mi=
lled : that is surely an advantage to get a flat top face=C2=A0 and the rig=
ht protrusion of the liners everywhere. Few blocks are truly flat and in mo=
st cases the protrusion is not even everywhere. So I do agree that there is=
 a lot to say for the longer liners that Daryll is selling, not only the 72=
 =C2=A3 a set!<br></div><div>Marcel</div><hr id=3D"gmail-m_1269012596000627=
999gmail-m_-8521543903311731654gmail-m_-1684229752253606248gmail-m_11430574=
8355406090zwchr"><div><b>Van: </b>&quot;fot&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Aan: </=
b>&quot;Tony and Annie Garmey&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:horizonracing@msn=
.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>&quot;f=
ot&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fot@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt;, &quot;fubog1&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>Maandag 1=
6 december 2019 19:33:44<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Racetorations TR2 -=
 4A 87mm - 89mm Thick Wall Piston Liner - Racetorations from Racetorations =
UK<br></div><br><div>Daryl advocates decking the block as well To get prope=
r protrusion. Eliminating the gasket reduces variation in protrusion due to=
 variable gasket thicknesses, and also eliminates some of the possible loss=
 of protrusion due to gasket compression ( more likely with copper than wit=
h steel).<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br><blockquote>On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot=
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