Subject: [Fot] Cleaning Out My Shop - Give Away

From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:45:24 +0000 (UTC)

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I've been going through my shop, getting rid of many things for which I wil=
l have no need in the future.
By the mid-80's, when I was racing the TR-4 in SCCA, I was using a crank tr=
igger for my primary ignition system.=C2=A0 I also tried to have a reliable=
 back-up, which up until then had been a stock distributor with Lucas Point=
s.=C2=A0 But, of course, I never adjusted the points, so when I needed the =
back-up one time, the car wouldn't run right on the stock distributor.
Shortly after that, I was on the phone one night talking with Paul Trapp, w=
ho I'm sure some of you know.=C2=A0 He was a real genius with all kinds of =
engines (also dynoed my TR engine a few times).=C2=A0 He mentioned that he =
had used a Datsun electronic distributor as a backup in some of the cars he=
 had worked on.=C2=A0 The model he used came in the B210 and a number of ot=
her Datsun/Nissan small sedans.=C2=A0 While we were on the phone, he had me=
 get a stock Triumph distributor and a dial caliper.=C2=A0 He had the Datsu=
n distributor.=C2=A0 We took measurements of the key dimensions of the two =
distributors, and they were nearly identical.=C2=A0 The diameter of the sha=
ft that goes down into the block was exactly the same, and the length of th=
at shaft was very close, such that a thin (about 1/4") shim was all that wa=
s required to get the correct height for the Triumph.
>From then on, I used the Datsun electronic distributor as my backup, and th=
e performance was essentially the same as the crank trigger.=C2=A0 The only=
 modification required was to change the drive gear on the end of the shaft=
, and I had to make up a shim to get the correct height.=C2=A0 An easy conv=
ersion.=C2=A0 Paul drew up a wiring diagram which showed how to wire up the=
 dual system.

When I was sorting through some parts the other day, I came across a spare =
lead that Paul had made up for me, that plugs into the Datsun distributor, =
and with a few feet of wire to attach to the ignition box.=C2=A0 I used a s=
tock Chrysler brain box, which cost $25 at the time.=C2=A0 Some people us a=
n MSD, etc.=C2=A0 Paul's workmanship was very professional, as indicated in=
 the attached pictures.
I hate to throw anything away, especially something that was made up specif=
ically for me.=C2=A0 So, if anyone has a use for this connecting wire, let =
me know, and you can have it.=C2=A0 I will even pay the shipping (to the lo=
wer 48).=C2=A0 I believe it will work for most Datsun/Nissan small sedan di=
stributors produced in the 80's and early 90's, and perhaps more.
Jack

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I've been going through my shop, getting rid=
 of many things for which I will have no need in the future.</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">By the mid-80's, when I was racing the TR-4 in SCCA, I was using a cra=
nk trigger for my primary ignition system.&nbsp; I also tried to have a rel=
iable back-up, which up until then had been a stock distributor with Lucas =
Points.&nbsp; But, of course, I never adjusted the points, so when I needed=
 the back-up one time, the car wouldn't run right on the stock distributor.=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false">Shortly after that, I was on the phone one night talking=
 with Paul Trapp, who I'm sure some of you know.&nbsp; He was a real genius=
 with all kinds of engines (also dynoed my TR engine a few times).&nbsp; He=
 mentioned that he had used a Datsun electronic distributor as a backup in =
some of the cars he had worked on.&nbsp; The model he used came in the B210=
 and a number of other Datsun/Nissan small sedans.&nbsp; While we were on t=
he phone, he had me get a stock Triumph distributor and a dial caliper.&nbs=
p; He had the Datsun distributor.&nbsp; We took measurements of the key dim=
ensions of the two distributors, and they were nearly identical.&nbsp; The =
diameter of the shaft that goes down into the block was exactly the same, a=
nd the length of that shaft was very close, such that a thin (about 1/4") s=
him was all that was required to get the correct height for the Triumph.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false">From then on, I used the Datsun electronic distributor as m=
y backup, and the performance was essentially the same as the crank trigger=
.&nbsp; The only modification required was to change the drive gear on the =
end of the shaft, and I had to make up a shim to get the correct height.&nb=
sp; An easy conversion.&nbsp; Paul drew up a wiring diagram which showed ho=
w to wire up the dual system.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fals=
e"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">When I was sorting thro=
ugh some parts the other day, I came across a spare lead that Paul had made=
 up for me, that plugs into the Datsun distributor, and with a few feet of =
wire to attach to the ignition box.&nbsp; I used a stock Chrysler brain box=
, which cost $25 at the time.&nbsp; Some people us an MSD, etc.&nbsp; Paul'=
s workmanship was very professional, as indicated in the attached pictures.=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false">I hate to throw anything away, especially something that=
 was made up specifically for me.&nbsp; So, if anyone has a use for this co=
nnecting wire, let me know, and you can have it.&nbsp; I will even pay the =
shipping (to the lower 48).&nbsp; I believe it will work for most Datsun/Ni=
ssan small sedan distributors produced in the 80's and early 90's, and perh=
aps more.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jack<br></div></div></body></html>
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From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:27:31 +0000 (UTC)

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 I don't have any heads, but I'll bet someone on the FOT list knows where t=
here is one.
Jack

    On Tuesday, November 5, 2019, 11:16:21 AM EST, Alan Berry <alanb@alanbe=
rrydesign.com> wrote: =20
=20
 Need a TR4 head for my race car. Any thoughts?
Thanks,=C2=A0
Alan #41 TR4A
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 7:57 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

rydesign.com

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I don't have any heads, but =
I'll bet someone on the FOT list knows where there is one.</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false=
">Jack<br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Tuesday, November 5, 2019, 11:16:21 AM EST, Alan Ber=
ry &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp5689a2e7yiv5187482751"><div><div>Need a =
TR4 head for my race car. Any thoughts?<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>T=
hanks,&nbsp;</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Alan #41 TR4A</div></d=
iv><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydp5689a2e7yiv5187482751gmail_quote"><d=
iv class=3D"ydp5689a2e7yiv5187482751yqt1854290411" id=3D"ydp5689a2e7yiv5187=
482751yqt37800"><div class=3D"ydp5689a2e7yiv5187482751gmail_attr" dir=3D"lt=
r">On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 7:57 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote class=3D"y=
dp5689a2e7yiv5187482751gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr">I've b=
een going through my shop, getting rid of many things for which I will have=
 no need in the future.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">By the mid-80's, when I was racing the TR-4 in SCCA, I was usi=
ng a crank trigger for my primary ignition system.&nbsp; I also tried to ha=
ve a reliable back-up, which up until then had been a stock distributor wit=
h Lucas Points.&nbsp; But, of course, I never adjusted the points, so when =
I needed the back-up one time, the car wouldn't run right on the stock dist=
ributor.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sh=
ortly after that, I was on the phone one night talking with Paul Trapp, who=
 I'm sure some of you know.&nbsp; He was a real genius with all kinds of en=
gines (also dynoed my TR engine a few times).&nbsp; He mentioned that he ha=
d used a Datsun electronic distributor as a backup in some of the cars he h=
ad worked on.&nbsp; The model he used came in the B210 and a number of othe=
r Datsun/Nissan small sedans.&nbsp; While we were on the phone, he had me g=
et a stock Triumph distributor and a dial caliper.&nbsp; He had the Datsun =
distributor.&nbsp; We took measurements of the key dimensions of the two di=
stributors, and they were nearly identical.&nbsp; The diameter of the shaft=
 that goes down into the block was exactly the same, and the length of that=
 shaft was very close, such that a thin (about 1/4") shim was all that was =
required to get the correct height for the Triumph.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From then on, I used the Datsun el=
ectronic distributor as my backup, and the performance was essentially the =
same as the crank trigger.&nbsp; The only modification required was to chan=
ge the drive gear on the end of the shaft, and I had to make up a shim to g=
et the correct height.&nbsp; An easy conversion.&nbsp; Paul drew up a wirin=
g diagram which showed how to wire up the dual system.<br clear=3D"none"></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">When I was s=
orting through some parts the other day, I came across a spare lead that Pa=
ul had made up for me, that plugs into the Datsun distributor, and with a f=
ew feet of wire to attach to the ignition box.&nbsp; I used a stock Chrysle=
r brain box, which cost $25 at the time.&nbsp; Some people us an MSD, etc.&=
nbsp; Paul's workmanship was very professional, as indicated in the attache=
d pictures.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>I hate to throw anything away, especially something that was made up speci=
fically for me.&nbsp; So, if anyone has a use for this connecting wire, let=
 me know, and you can have it.&nbsp; I will even pay the shipping (to the l=
ower 48).&nbsp; I believe it will work for most Datsun/Nissan small sedan d=
istributors produced in the 80's and early 90's, and perhaps more.</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br clear=3D"no=
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From: Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>
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Where does one buy twisted pair wire like that?

Bob Kramer

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 10:12 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I've been going through my shop, getting rid of many things for which I
> will have no need in the future.
>
> By the mid-80's, when I was racing the TR-4 in SCCA, I was using a crank
> trigger for my primary ignition system.  I also tried to have a reliable
> back-up, which up until then had been a stock distributor with Lucas
> Points.  But, of course, I never adjusted the points, so when I needed the
> Shortly after that, I was on the phone one night talking with Paul Trapp,
> who I'm sure some of you know.  He was a real genius with all kinds of
> engines (also dynoed my TR engine a few times).  He mentioned that he had
> used a Datsun electronic distributor as a backup in some of the cars he had
> worked on.  The model he used came in the B210 and a number of other
> Datsun/Nissan small sedans.  While we were on the phone, he had me get a
> stock Triumph distributor and a dial caliper.  He had the Datsun
> distributor.  We took measurements of the key dimensions of the two
> distributors, and they were nearly identical.  The diameter of the shaft
> that goes down into the block was exactly the same, and the length of that
> shaft was very close, such that a thin (about 1/4") shim was all that was
> required to get the correct height for the Triumph.
>
> From then on, I used the Datsun electronic distributor as my backup, and
> the performance was essentially the same as the crank trigger.  The only
> modification required was to change the drive gear on the end of the shaft,
> and I had to make up a shim to get the correct height.  An easy
> conversion.  Paul drew up a wiring diagram which showed how to wire up the
> dual system.
>
> When I was sorting through some parts the other day, I came across a spare
> lead that Paul had made up for me, that plugs into the Datsun distributor,
> and with a few feet of wire to attach to the ignition box.  I used a stock
> Chrysler brain box, which cost $25 at the time.  Some people us an MSD,
> etc.  Paul's workmanship was very professional, as indicated in the
> attached pictures.
>
> I hate to throw anything away, especially something that was made up
> specifically for me.  So, if anyone has a use for this connecting wire, let
> me know, and you can have it.  I will even pay the shipping (to the lower
> 48).  I believe it will work for most Datsun/Nissan small sedan
> distributors produced in the 80's and early 90's, and perhaps more.
>
> Jack
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Where does one buy twisted pair wire like that?=C2=A0<div>=
<br></div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signa=
ture" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div><=
/div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 10:12 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-=
size:13px"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve been going through my shop, getting ri=
d of many things for which I will have no need in the future.</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">By the mid-80&#39;s, when I was racing =
the TR-4 in SCCA, I was using a crank trigger for my primary ignition syste=
m.=C2=A0 I also tried to have a reliable back-up, which up until then had b=
een a stock distributor with Lucas Points.=C2=A0 But, of course, I never ad=
justed the points, so when I needed the back-up one time, the car wouldn&#3=
9;t run right on the stock distributor.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Shortly after that, I was on the phone one night talking with=
 Paul Trapp, who I&#39;m sure some of you know.=C2=A0 He was a real genius =
with all kinds of engines (also dynoed my TR engine a few times).=C2=A0 He =
mentioned that he had used a Datsun electronic distributor as a backup in s=
ome of the cars he had worked on.=C2=A0 The model he used came in the B210 =
and a number of other Datsun/Nissan small sedans.=C2=A0 While we were on th=
e phone, he had me get a stock Triumph distributor and a dial caliper.=C2=
=A0 He had the Datsun distributor.=C2=A0 We took measurements of the key di=
mensions of the two distributors, and they were nearly identical.=C2=A0 The=
 diameter of the shaft that goes down into the block was exactly the same, =
and the length of that shaft was very close, such that a thin (about 1/4&qu=
ot;) shim was all that was required to get the correct height for the Trium=
ph.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From then on, I used t=
he Datsun electronic distributor as my backup, and the performance was esse=
ntially the same as the crank trigger.=C2=A0 The only modification required=
 was to change the drive gear on the end of the shaft, and I had to make up=
 a shim to get the correct height.=C2=A0 An easy conversion.=C2=A0 Paul dre=
w up a wiring diagram which showed how to wire up the dual system.<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">When I was sorting through som=
e parts the other day, I came across a spare lead that Paul had made up for=
 me, that plugs into the Datsun distributor, and with a few feet of wire to=
 attach to the ignition box.=C2=A0 I used a stock Chrysler brain box, which=
 cost $25 at the time.=C2=A0 Some people us an MSD, etc.=C2=A0 Paul&#39;s w=
orkmanship was very professional, as indicated in the attached pictures.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I hate to throw anything awa=
y, especially something that was made up specifically for me.=C2=A0 So, if =
anyone has a use for this connecting wire, let me know, and you can have it=
.=C2=A0 I will even pay the shipping (to the lower 48).=C2=A0 I believe it =
will work for most Datsun/Nissan small sedan distributors produced in the 8=
0&#39;s and early 90&#39;s, and perhaps more.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br></div></div></div>_____________________________=
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From: robert bownes via Fot <[email-masked]>
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You buy stranded wire, lay out and cut two pieces, chuck one end up in a
hand drill, the other end in a vise and twist it. :)

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:19 AM Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>> When I was sorting through some parts the other day, I came across a
>> spare lead that Paul had made up for me, that plugs into the Datsun
>> distributor, and with a few feet of wire to attach to the ignition box.  I
>> used a stock Chrysler brain box, which cost $25 at the time.  Some people
>> us an MSD, etc.  Paul's workmanship was very professional, as indicated in
>> the attached pictures.
>>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>You buy stranded wire, lay out and cut two pieces, ch=
uck one end up in a hand drill, the other end in a vise and twist it. :)</d=
iv><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:19 AM Bob Kramer via Fot &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Wher=
e does one buy twisted pair wire like that?=C2=A0<div><br></div><div><br cl=
ear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></=
div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 10:12 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans=
-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve been going through my shop=
, getting rid of many things for which I will have no need in the future.</=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">By the mid-80&#39;s, when I=
 was racing the TR-4 in SCCA, I was using a crank trigger for my primary ig=
nition system.=C2=A0 I also tried to have a reliable back-up, which up unti=
l then had been a stock distributor with Lucas Points.=C2=A0 But, of course=
, I never adjusted the points, so when I needed the back-up one time, the c=
ar wouldn&#39;t run right on the stock distributor.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Shortly after that, I was on the phone one night =
talking with Paul Trapp, who I&#39;m sure some of you know.=C2=A0 He was a =
real genius with all kinds of engines (also dynoed my TR engine a few times=
).=C2=A0 He mentioned that he had used a Datsun electronic distributor as a=
 backup in some of the cars he had worked on.=C2=A0 The model he used came =
in the B210 and a number of other Datsun/Nissan small sedans.=C2=A0 While w=
e were on the phone, he had me get a stock Triumph distributor and a dial c=
aliper.=C2=A0 He had the Datsun distributor.=C2=A0 We took measurements of =
the key dimensions of the two distributors, and they were nearly identical.=
=C2=A0 The diameter of the shaft that goes down into the block was exactly =
the same, and the length of that shaft was very close, such that a thin (ab=
out 1/4&quot;) shim was all that was required to get the correct height for=
 the Triumph.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From then on=
, I used the Datsun electronic distributor as my backup, and the performanc=
e was essentially the same as the crank trigger.=C2=A0 The only modificatio=
n required was to change the drive gear on the end of the shaft, and I had =
to make up a shim to get the correct height.=C2=A0 An easy conversion.=C2=
=A0 Paul drew up a wiring diagram which showed how to wire up the dual syst=
em.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">When I was sorting=
 through some parts the other day, I came across a spare lead that Paul had=
 made up for me, that plugs into the Datsun distributor, and with a few fee=
t of wire to attach to the ignition box.=C2=A0 I used a stock Chrysler brai=
n box, which cost $25 at the time.=C2=A0 Some people us an MSD, etc.=C2=A0 =
Paul&#39;s workmanship was very professional, as indicated in the attached =
pictures.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I hate to throw =
anything away, especially something that was made up specifically for me.=
=C2=A0 So, if anyone has a use for this connecting wire, let me know, and y=
ou can have it.=C2=A0 I will even pay the shipping (to the lower 48).=C2=A0=
 I believe it will work for most Datsun/Nissan small sedan distributors pro=
duced in the 80&#39;s and early 90&#39;s, and perhaps more.</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br></div></div></div>_____________=
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From: Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:20:24 -0600

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I guess that would do it. But that stuff in Jack's picture looks like it
might have some kind of gluing to it based on the cut off end.

Bob Kramer

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:10 PM robert bownes <[email-masked]> wrote:

>>> Shortly after that, I was on the phone one night talking with Paul
>>> Trapp, who I'm sure some of you know.  He was a real genius with all kinds
>>> of engines (also dynoed my TR engine a few times).  He mentioned that he
>>> had used a Datsun electronic distributor as a backup in some of the cars he
>>> had worked on.  The model he used came in the B210 and a number of other

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I guess that would do it. But that stuff in Jack&#39;s pic=
ture looks like it might have some kind of gluing to it based on the cut of=
f end.<div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature=
" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div=
></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:10 PM robert bownes &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>You buy st=
randed wire, lay out and cut two pieces, chuck one end up in a hand drill, =
the other end in a vise and twist it. :)</div><div><br></div></div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 5,=
 2019 at 11:19 AM Bob Kramer via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Where does one buy=
 twisted pair wire like that?=C2=A0<div><br></div><div><br clear=3D"all"><d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br></div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 10:12 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size=
:13px"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve been going through my shop, getting rid of=
 many things for which I will have no need in the future.</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">By the mid-80&#39;s, when I was racing the =
TR-4 in SCCA, I was using a crank trigger for my primary ignition system.=
=C2=A0 I also tried to have a reliable back-up, which up until then had bee=
n a stock distributor with Lucas Points.=C2=A0 But, of course, I never adju=
sted the points, so when I needed the back-up one time, the car wouldn&#39;=
t run right on the stock distributor.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Shortly after that, I was on the phone one night talking with P=
aul Trapp, who I&#39;m sure some of you know.=C2=A0 He was a real genius wi=
th all kinds of engines (also dynoed my TR engine a few times).=C2=A0 He me=
ntioned that he had used a Datsun electronic distributor as a backup in som=
e of the cars he had worked on.=C2=A0 The model he used came in the B210 an=
d a number of other Datsun/Nissan small sedans.=C2=A0 While we were on the =
phone, he had me get a stock Triumph distributor and a dial caliper.=C2=A0 =
He had the Datsun distributor.=C2=A0 We took measurements of the key dimens=
ions of the two distributors, and they were nearly identical.=C2=A0 The dia=
meter of the shaft that goes down into the block was exactly the same, and =
the length of that shaft was very close, such that a thin (about 1/4&quot;)=
 shim was all that was required to get the correct height for the Triumph.<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From then on, I used the D=
atsun electronic distributor as my backup, and the performance was essentia=
lly the same as the crank trigger.=C2=A0 The only modification required was=
 to change the drive gear on the end of the shaft, and I had to make up a s=
him to get the correct height.=C2=A0 An easy conversion.=C2=A0 Paul drew up=
 a wiring diagram which showed how to wire up the dual system.<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">When I was sorting through some pa=
rts the other day, I came across a spare lead that Paul had made up for me,=
 that plugs into the Datsun distributor, and with a few feet of wire to att=
ach to the ignition box.=C2=A0 I used a stock Chrysler brain box, which cos=
t $25 at the time.=C2=A0 Some people us an MSD, etc.=C2=A0 Paul&#39;s workm=
anship was very professional, as indicated in the attached pictures.</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I hate to throw anything away, e=
specially something that was made up specifically for me.=C2=A0 So, if anyo=
ne has a use for this connecting wire, let me know, and you can have it.=C2=
=A0 I will even pay the shipping (to the lower 48).=C2=A0 I believe it will=
 work for most Datsun/Nissan small sedan distributors produced in the 80&#3=
9;s and early 90&#39;s, and perhaps more.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br></div></div></div>_________________________________=
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From: Randall via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:11:34 -0600

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You don=E2=80=99t usually see it without the outer jacket, but I found some=
 at Mouser:
https://tinyurl.com/y6fzynqs

Likely the other big electronic supply houses (eg Allied, Newark, etc) woul=
d have something too, but I only checked Mouser.

-- Randall

From: Bob Kramer via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 11:09 AM
To: Jack Wheeler
Cc: FOT List
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cleaning Out My Shop - Give Away

Where does one buy twisted pair wire like that?=C2=A0

Bob Kramer

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[email-masked]">Jack Wheeler</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
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