Subject: Re: [Fot] DCOE setup on stock tr6

From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:55:08 -0700

In general I don't send messages from non-members on to the list, but 
this seems like a legitimate, well founded request for assistance.  
Perhaps some of you can assist Chris on this matter.

mjb.

On 11/15/19 6:14 AM, chris panayotti via Fot wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I ran across an archive on your site from a Robert Lang, looks like 
> from December last year. So Taking a total shot in the dark emailing 
> this. Anyway in the thread he talks about running triple DCOEs on a 
> Canon manafold on a TR6 with stock cam and stock compression. I am 
> trying to do the exact same. He mentioned toward the end that he would 
> be willing to share knowledge on the jets and knowledge.
>
> So here it goes, the main symptom I am running into currently is 
> accleration off idle.  It starts up and idles pretty good with mixture 
> screws all out about 1.25 turns. But bumping the throttle at that 
> point either load or no load bogs bigtime, bassically kills the engine 
> if I hold it, even if I go very slowly. I did manage to get it to a 
> point where it revs so so if I keep bumping it fast with no load, but 
> with any load at all it bogs and dies.  I've come to the conclusion my 
> progression circuit is to blame and that operates off the idle jet, of 
> which all are currently 50F11.
>
> I've gone over all the valve timing with a fine toothed comb and 
> verified a stock cam by checking the lift. All valve gaps are perfect 
> At .010".  I removed the vacuum retard from the distributor and am 
> running it at 12deg BTDC right now, and the mechanical advance does 
> work and brings it up to 24ish deg.  It is a stock points distributor 
> by the way.  I've read a few people mention that I need to upgrade 
> that but others have successfully used it also. I've checked 
> compression all are close and above 125psi.
>
> Any help or insight would be GREATLY appreciated. I've been trying to 
> get this to run right for weeks. I keep crossing things off the list 
> but still haven't gotten it right. I'm still concerned about the 
> distributor but it seems well enough that it should run properly. I'm 
> fairly confident it's a carb problem.
>
> If you need any more info about my setup please ask
>
> Thank you
> Chris Panayotti

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From: Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 20:44:41 -0500

More information is needed.
I assume these are 40 DCOEs, not 45s?
What size chokes are you running? 
Main jets, idle jets?

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> On Nov 15, 2019, at 7:52 PM, chris panayotti via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I ran across an archive on your site from a Robert Lang, looks like from December last year. So Taking a total shot in the dark emailing this. Anyway in the thread he talks about running triple DCOEs on a Canon manafold on a TR6 with stock cam and stock compression. I am trying to do the exact same. He mentioned toward the end that he would be willing to share knowledge on the jets and knowledge.
> 
> So here it goes, the main symptom I am running into currently is accleration off idle.  It starts up and idles pretty good with mixture screws all out about 1.25 turns. But bumping the throttle at that point either load or no load bogs bigtime, bassically kills the engine if I hold it, even if I go very slowly. I did manage to get it to a point where it revs so so if I keep bumping it fast with no load, but with any load at all it bogs and dies.  I've come to the conclusion my progression circuit is to blame and that operates off the idle jet, of which all are currently 50F11.
> 
> I've gone over all the valve timing with a fine toothed comb and verified a stock cam by checking the lift. All valve gaps are perfect At .010".  I removed the vacuum retard from the distributor and am running it at 12deg BTDC right now, and the mechanical advance does work and brings it up to 24ish deg.  It is a stock points distributor by the way.  I've read a few people mention that I need to upgrade that but others have successfully used it also. I've checked compression all are close and above 125psi.
> 
> Any help or insight would be GREATLY appreciated. I've been trying to get this to run right for weeks. I keep crossing things off the list but still haven't gotten it right. I'm still concerned about the distributor but it seems well enough that it should run properly. I'm fairly confident it's a carb problem.
> 
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From: Chuck Gee via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:51:43 -0800

Are the bowl vents clear?

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From: Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 04:34:46 +0000 (UTC)

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 Hi - Sounds like you have a vacuum leak. I'd put a vacuum gauge on the set=
up and tune your idle using that. If you're running a stock cam, you should=
 be able to pull more than 15 inches of vacuum, so try advancing the igniti=
on timing and balancing off the idle screws (not the mixture, the idle scre=
w) to get you idle down and still pull the vacuum.
If that doesn't help, double check your float levels - if the float level i=
s wrong you won't be able to get the carbs to work right.
Note that the idle jets do just about nothing after the throttle is off the=
 stop - after that you're on the mains. Sounds simple, but like nobody seem=
s to get that. 50F11 should be more than adequate idle jets.
Regarding the distributor - the timing needs to be ROCK SOLID. If it bounce=
s at all or if there are skips, you need to fix that first. You can't tune =
bad ignition with the carbs. :-)
Regarding timing, I've set up plenty of cars with 15 BTDC at idle. The tric=
k is to get about 32 or 33 degrees total advance at 3000 or 3500. How you g=
et there depends on how much mechanical advance your distributor makes - if=
 you have Lucas, there are several different numbers available.
Feel free to ping me off list.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Friday, November 15, 2019, 7:52:12 PM EST, chris panayotti via Fot <=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 Hi all,=C2=A0
I ran across an archive on your site from a Robert Lang, looks like from De=
cember last year. So Taking a total shot in the dark emailing this. Anyway =
in the thread he talks about running triple DCOEs on a Canon manafold on a =
TR6 with stock cam and stock compression. I am trying to do the exact same.=
 He mentioned toward the end that he would be willing to share knowledge on=
 the jets and knowledge.
So here it goes, the main symptom I am running into currently is accleratio=
n off idle.=C2=A0 It starts up and idles pretty good with mixture screws al=
l out about 1.25 turns. But bumping the throttle at that point either load =
or no load bogs bigtime, bassically kills the engine if I hold it, even if =
I go very slowly. I did manage to get it to a point where it revs so so if =
I keep bumping it fast with no load, but with any load at all it bogs and d=
ies.=C2=A0 I've come to the conclusion my progression circuit is to blame a=
nd that operates off the idle jet, of which all are currently 50F11.
I've gone over all the valve timing with a fine toothed comb and verified a=
 stock cam by checking the lift. All valve gaps are perfect At .010".=C2=A0=
 I removed the vacuum retard from the distributor and am running it at 12de=
g BTDC right now, and the mechanical advance does work and brings it up to =
24ish deg.=C2=A0 It is a stock points distributor by the way.=C2=A0 I've re=
ad a few people mention that I need to upgrade that but others have success=
fully used it also. I've checked compression all are close and above 125psi=
.
Any help or insight would be GREATLY appreciated. I've been trying to get t=
his to run right for weeks. I keep crossing things off the list but still h=
aven't gotten it right. I'm still concerned about the distributor but it se=
ems well enough that it should run properly. I'm fairly confident it's a ca=
rb problem.
If you need any more info about my setup please ask
Thank youChris Panayotti_______________________________________________
[email-masked]

@yahoo.com

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi - Sounds like you have a =
vacuum leak. I'd put a vacuum gauge on the setup and tune your idle using t=
hat. If you're running a stock cam, you should be able to pull more than 15=
 inches of vacuum, so try advancing the ignition timing and balancing off t=
he idle screws (not the mixture, the idle screw) to get you idle down and s=
till pull the vacuum.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">If that doesn't help, double check =
your float levels - if the float level is wrong you won't be able to get th=
e carbs to work right.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Note that the idle jets do just ab=
out nothing after the throttle is off the stop - after that you're on the m=
ains. Sounds simple, but like nobody seems to get that. 50F11 should be mor=
e than adequate idle jets.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Regarding the distributor - th=
e timing needs to be ROCK SOLID. If it bounces at all or if there are skips=
, you need to fix that first. You can't tune bad ignition with the carbs. :=
-)</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false">Regarding timing, I've set up plenty of cars with 15 B=
TDC at idle. The trick is to get about 32 or 33 degrees total advance at 30=
00 or 3500. How you get there depends on how much mechanical advance your d=
istributor makes - if you have Lucas, there are several different numbers a=
vailable.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Feel free to ping me off list.</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false=
">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<br></div><d=
iv><br></div>
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                    On Friday, November 15, 2019, 7:52:12 PM EST, chris pan=
ayotti via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp4081383eyiv0585354533"><div>Hi all,&nbsp=
;<div><br></div><div>I ran across an archive on your site from a Robert Lan=
g, looks like from December last year. So Taking a total shot in the dark e=
mailing this. Anyway in the thread he talks about running triple DCOEs on a=
 Canon manafold on a TR6 with stock cam and stock compression. I am trying =
to do the exact same. He mentioned toward the end that he would be willing =
to share knowledge on the jets and knowledge.</div><div><br></div><div>So h=
ere it goes, the main symptom I am running into currently is accleration of=
f idle.&nbsp; It starts up and idles pretty good with mixture screws all ou=
t about 1.25 turns. But bumping the throttle at that point either load or n=
o load bogs bigtime, bassically kills the engine if I hold it, even if I go=
 very slowly. I did manage to get it to a point where it revs so so if I ke=
ep bumping it fast with no load, but with any load at all it bogs and dies.=
&nbsp; I've come to the conclusion my progression circuit is to blame and t=
hat operates off the idle jet, of which all are currently 50F11.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>I've gone over all the valve timing with a fine toothed comb=
 and verified a stock cam by checking the lift. All valve gaps are perfect =
At .010".&nbsp; I removed the vacuum retard from the distributor and am run=
ning it at 12deg BTDC right now, and the mechanical advance does work and b=
rings it up to 24ish deg.&nbsp; It is a stock points distributor by the way=
.&nbsp; I've read a few people mention that I need to upgrade that but othe=
rs have successfully used it also. I've checked compression all are close a=
nd above 125psi.</div><div><br></div><div>Any help or insight would be GREA=
TLY appreciated. I've been trying to get this to run right for weeks. I kee=
p crossing things off the list but still haven't gotten it right. I'm still=
 concerned about the distributor but it seems well enough that it should ru=
n properly. I'm fairly confident it's a carb problem.</div><div><br></div><=
div>If you need any more info about my setup please ask</div><div><br></div=
><div>Thank you</div><div>Chris Panayotti</div></div></div>________________=
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From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 21:49:22 -0700

I have a web page focused on DCOEs for the TR3 & 4 engine. While the jet 
suggestions are not applicable, a lot of the material covers how each 
part of a DCOE works and how all the parts work together. So if you 
could use a carb primer to help you trouble shoot your problem,

http://www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm

TeriAnn

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From: Bud Rolofson via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 00:40:00 -0700

Hi Chris,

The mixture screws should be out 1 turn from lightly seated. You might be a little lean on the idle jet if it needs that extra 1/4 turn. It doesn’t take much too make a difference with the mixture screw. 

If the speed screw is more than 1/2 turn out from lightly touching the lever it may indicate a lean idle jet too. If the speed screw is turned much more than that you could be getting into the progression holes instead of the idle jet alone. The progression holes are there to make a smooth transition from the idle jet circuit to the main jet circuit. If you’re into the progression holes to make it idle correctly then it’s another indication that the idle jet is too lean as their function is to add gas to the mix.

As far as the bog on acceleration, pull the pump jets and see what size is in there. You may need to go smaller to decrease the volume and duration of the squirt of gas when accelerating. I had a bogging down problem upon acceleration and going from a 55 to a 40 pump jet solved that problem. I now run both the pump jet and the spill jet (exhaust jet) with size 40 jets.

Check the pump jets first, as it’s the easiest thing to do, then maybe look at a richer idle jet if that doesn’t help. You may have two things going on here, 1) the acceleration issue (the pump jets), and 2) the adjustments needed to the mixture and speed screws (the idle jet).

Good luck. It will be great once you get them right.

Bud

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From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:41:51 +0100 (CET)

Chris, you do not mention a lambda sensor and/or other equipment to read the exhaust gases. Tuning Webers for a street car is more complex than for racing. The idle jet has, apart from the fuel hole at the bottom, also an air bleed hole on the side of the jet. The combination of this 2  holes is determining the fuel/air mixture delivered at the progression holes. 1.5 turns from the seats for the idle screw is pointing to a lean fuel/air mixture delivered to the progression holes by the idle jets.
The acceleration jets should deliver a strong jet of fuel : as far as about 1/2 or 1 meter (when the carbs are not mounted). If you don't see this, maybe the accelerator intake/discharge valves(not the accelerator pump jets) are not in place in the bottom of the fuel chambers!
Marcel

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Hi Chris,

Bud

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From: Nick Black via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:05:53 -0800

Settings I have used:
Main 120
Emulsion f16
Air 190
Idle f9/45
Pump 45
Choke 30
This is on a bone stock TVR w 6 motor

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From: Nick Black via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:05:53 -0800

Settings I have used:
Main 120
Emulsion f16
Air 190
Idle f9/45
Pump 45
Choke 30

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From: chris panayotti via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 21:08:40 -0500

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Forgot to hit reply all the first time

Hi Scott,

Yes they are 40 DCOE 18
I didn't write down my choke sizes but I'm pretty sure they are 30s. I can
double check tomorrow. Main jets are 120 emulsion tubes are f11 ,  idle jet
is 50F11, pump jet is 40. I think that is everything. All the carbs are the
same. They are made in Italy Weber's also not Mexico ones.

Thanks,
Chris

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 8:44 PM Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:

> > On Nov 15, 2019, at 7:52 PM, chris panayotti via Fot <[email-masked]=
t>
> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB=BF
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I ran across an archive on your site from a Robert Lang, looks like fro=
m
> December last year. So Taking a total shot in the dark emailing this.
> Anyway in the thread he talks about running triple DCOEs on a Canon
> manafold on a TR6 with stock cam and stock compression. I am trying to do
> the exact same. He mentioned toward the end that he would be willing to
> share knowledge on the jets and knowledge.
> >
> screws all out about 1.25 turns. But bumping the throttle at that point
> either load or no load bogs bigtime, bassically kills the engine if I hol=
d
> it, even if I go very slowly. I did manage to get it to a point where it
> revs so so if I keep bumping it fast with no load, but with any load at a=
ll
> it bogs and dies.  I've come to the conclusion my progression circuit is =
to
> blame and that operates off the idle jet, of which all are currently 50F1=
1.
> verified a stock cam by checking the lift. All valve gaps are perfect At
> .010".  I removed the vacuum retard from the distributor and am running i=
t
> at 12deg BTDC right now, and the mechanical advance does work and brings =
it
> up to 24ish deg.  It is a stock points distributor by the way.  I've read=
 a
> few people mention that I need to upgrade that but others have successful=
ly
> used it also. I've checked compression all are close and above 125psi.
> >
> get this to run right for weeks. I keep crossing things off the list but
> still haven't gotten it right. I'm still concerned about the distributor
> but it seems well enough that it should run properly. I'm fairly confiden=
t
> it's a carb problem.
> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fo=
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8p=
x" dir=3D"auto">Forgot to hit reply all the first time</div><div style=3D"f=
ont-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" dir=3D"auto"><br>Hi Scott,=C2=A0</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Y=
es they are 40 DCOE 18</div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-ser=
if;font-size:12.8px">I didn&#39;t write down my choke sizes but I&#39;m pre=
tty sure they are 30s. I can double check tomorrow. Main jets are 120 emuls=
ion tubes are f11 ,=C2=A0 idle jet is 50F11, pump jet is 40. I think that i=
s everything. All the carbs are the same. They are made in Italy Weber&#39;=
s also not Mexico ones.</div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-se=
rif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans=
-serif;font-size:12.8px">Thanks,</div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-famil=
y:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Chris</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 8:44 PM Scott Jan=
zen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
More information is needed.<br>
I assume these are 40 DCOEs, not 45s?<br>
What size chokes are you running? <br>
Main jets, idle jets?<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
&gt; On Nov 15, 2019, at 7:52 PM, chris panayotti via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt; Hi all, <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I ran across an archive on your site from a Robert Lang, looks like fr=
om December last year. So Taking a total shot in the dark emailing this. An=
yway in the thread he talks about running triple DCOEs on a Canon manafold =
on a TR6 with stock cam and stock compression. I am trying to do the exact =
same. He mentioned toward the end that he would be willing to share knowled=
ge on the jets and knowledge.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; So here it goes, the main symptom I am running into currently is accle=
ration off idle.=C2=A0 It starts up and idles pretty good with mixture scre=
ws all out about 1.25 turns. But bumping the throttle at that point either =
load or no load bogs bigtime, bassically kills the engine if I hold it, eve=
n if I go very slowly. I did manage to get it to a point where it revs so s=
o if I keep bumping it fast with no load, but with any load at all it bogs =
and dies.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve come to the conclusion my progression circuit is t=
o blame and that operates off the idle jet, of which all are currently 50F1=
1.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I&#39;ve gone over all the valve timing with a fine toothed comb and v=
erified a stock cam by checking the lift. All valve gaps are perfect At .01=
0&quot;.=C2=A0 I removed the vacuum retard from the distributor and am runn=
ing it at 12deg BTDC right now, and the mechanical advance does work and br=
ings it up to 24ish deg.=C2=A0 It is a stock points distributor by the way.=
=C2=A0 I&#39;ve read a few people mention that I need to upgrade that but o=
thers have successfully used it also. I&#39;ve checked compression all are =
close and above 125psi.<br>
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t still haven&#39;t gotten it right. I&#39;m still concerned about the dist=
ributor but it seems well enough that it should run properly. I&#39;m fairl=
y confident it&#39;s a carb problem.<br>
&gt; <br>
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&gt; <br>
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Yes I believe the vents are clear. It's a pretty large hole that goes into
the air filter housing if I'm not mistaken. But I will double check that.

Chris

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Yes I believe the vents are clear. It&#39;s a pretty=
 large hole that goes into the air filter housing if I&#39;m not mistaken. =
But I will double check that.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
auto">Chris<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 8:51 PM Chuck Gee &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">chasge=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Are th=
e bowl vents clear?<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
&gt; On Nov 15, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">fot@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt; More information is needed.<br>
&gt; I assume these are 40 DCOEs, not 45s?<br>
&gt; What size chokes are you running? <br>
&gt; Main jets, idle jets?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; On Nov 15, 2019, at 7:52 PM, chris panayotti via Fot &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi all, <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; I ran across an archive on your site from a Robert Lang, looks lik=
e from December last year. So Taking a total shot in the dark emailing this=
. Anyway in the thread he talks about running triple DCOEs on a Canon manaf=
old on a TR6 with stock cam and stock compression. I am trying to do the ex=
act same. He mentioned toward the end that he would be willing to share kno=
wledge on the jets and knowledge.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; So here it goes, the main symptom I am running into currently is a=
ccleration off idle.=C2=A0 It starts up and idles pretty good with mixture =
screws all out about 1.25 turns. But bumping the throttle at that point eit=
her load or no load bogs bigtime, bassically kills the engine if I hold it,=
 even if I go very slowly. I did manage to get it to a point where it revs =
so so if I keep bumping it fast with no load, but with any load at all it b=
ogs and dies.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve come to the conclusion my progression circuit =
is to blame and that operates off the idle jet, of which all are currently =
50F11.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve gone over all the valve timing with a fine toothed comb a=
nd verified a stock cam by checking the lift. All valve gaps are perfect At=
 .010&quot;.=C2=A0 I removed the vacuum retard from the distributor and am =
running it at 12deg BTDC right now, and the mechanical advance does work an=
d brings it up to 24ish deg.=C2=A0 It is a stock points distributor by the =
way.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve read a few people mention that I need to upgrade that b=
ut others have successfully used it also. I&#39;ve checked compression all =
are close and above 125psi.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Any help or insight would be GREATLY appreciated. I&#39;ve been tr=
ying to get this to run right for weeks. I keep crossing things off the lis=
t but still haven&#39;t gotten it right. I&#39;m still concerned about the =
distributor but it seems well enough that it should run properly. I&#39;m f=
airly confident it&#39;s a carb problem.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; If you need any more info about my setup please ask<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Thank you<br>
&gt;&gt; Chris Panayotti<br>
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 09:22:16 +0100 (CET)

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It is probably the progression circuit indeed. It seems there is no fuel arriving at the progression holes at all and that you manage to overcome this (when there is no load) with the accelerator pump (getting some fuel in the tracts by fast pumping till the main circuit is taking over). Is this a new installation? I know of a guy who does rebuild and inspect new Webers before installing them! 
Marcel 

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Verzonden: Zaterdag 16 november 2019 03:10:46 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] DCOE setup on stock tr6 

Yes I believe the vents are clear. It's a pretty large hole that goes into the air filter housing if I'm not mistaken. But I will double check that. 

Chris 

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><div><br></div><div>It is probably the =
progression circuit indeed. It seems there is no fuel arriving at the progr=
ession holes at all and that you manage to overcome this (when there is no =
load)&nbsp;with the accelerator pump (getting some fuel in the tracts by fa=
st pumping till the main circuit is taking over). Is this a new installatio=
n? I know of a guy who does rebuild and inspect new Webers before installin=
g them!</div><div>Marcel</div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__">=
<div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"fot" &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t;<br><b>Aan: </b>"Chuck Gee" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"fo=
t" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>Zaterdag 16 november 201=
9 03:10:46<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] DCOE setup on stock tr6<br></div>=
<br><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Yes I belie=
ve the vents are clear. It's a pretty large hole that goes into the air fil=
ter housing if I'm not mistaken. But I will double check that.</div><div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Chris<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 15, 2019=
, 8:51 PM Chuck Gee &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #=
ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border=
-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">Are the bowl vents clear?<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
&gt; On Nov 15, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">fot@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt; More information is needed.<br>
&gt; I assume these are 40 DCOEs, not 45s?<br>
&gt; What size chokes are you running? <br>
&gt; Main jets, idle jets?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; On Nov 15, 2019, at 7:52 PM, chris panayotti via Fot &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi all, <br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; I ran across an archive on your site from a Robert Lang, looks lik=
e from December last year. So Taking a total shot in the dark emailing this=
. Anyway in the thread he talks about running triple DCOEs on a Canon manaf=
old on a TR6 with stock cam and stock compression. I am trying to do the ex=
act same. He mentioned toward the end that he would be willing to share kno=
wledge on the jets and knowledge.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; So here it goes, the main symptom I am running into currently is a=
ccleration off idle.&nbsp; It starts up and idles pretty good with mixture =
screws all out about 1.25 turns. But bumping the throttle at that point eit=
her load or no load bogs bigtime, bassically kills the engine if I hold it,=
 even if I go very slowly. I did manage to get it to a point where it revs =
so so if I keep bumping it fast with no load, but with any load at all it b=
ogs and dies.&nbsp; I've come to the conclusion my progression circuit is t=
o blame and that operates off the idle jet, of which all are currently 50F1=
1.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; I've gone over all the valve timing with a fine toothed comb and v=
erified a stock cam by checking the lift. All valve gaps are perfect At .01=
0".&nbsp; I removed the vacuum retard from the distributor and am running i=
t at 12deg BTDC right now, and the mechanical advance does work and brings =
it up to 24ish deg.&nbsp; It is a stock points distributor by the way.&nbsp=
; I've read a few people mention that I need to upgrade that but others hav=
e successfully used it also. I've checked compression all are close and abo=
ve 125psi.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Any help or insight would be GREATLY appreciated. I've been trying=
 to get this to run right for weeks. I keep crossing things off the list bu=
t still haven't gotten it right. I'm still concerned about the distributor =
but it seems well enough that it should run properly. I'm fairly confident =
it's a carb problem.<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; If you need any more info about my setup please ask<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Thank you<br>
&gt;&gt; Chris Panayotti<br>
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