Subject: Re: [Fot] Center main support

From: "John H. Hasty via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 00:57:45 +0000

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From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked]>
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My brother worked for Gran Turismo Jaguar in Northern Ohio a few decades ag=
o and I remember well him telling me they taught him how to straighten cran=
ks with a mallet of some sort, set up in a rotational device.   I thought i=
t was barbaric at the time having never heard of that sort of thing, but GT=
J definitely knew what they were doing.  GTJ built championship winning Jag=
s.=20
Dave H.=20

> On November 24, 2019 at 4:57 PM "John H. Hasty via Fot" <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:
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>     Chris:  That is exactly how we built the roller bearing crank half's =
for our two stroke GP bikes... well placed blows with a brass hammer and in=
 an hour or so you end up with a straight crank
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>     Sent from my iPhone
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>         > > On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked]=
am.net> wrote:
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> >         Hi Phil,
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> >         If I give a crank to the machine shop for testing and maybe pol=
ishing they also correcting straightness.
> >=20
> >         They using a hammer and a wedge like tool with brass or bronze =
surface and giving it a big blow at some places to make it straight.
> >=20
> >         They also checking with magna flux system for cracks.
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         I run 0.0027=E2=80=9D main bearing clearance.
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         For sure Kas throw in is right. I keep the revs below 6k with t=
he standard crank.
> >=20
> >         Many people going up to 7k with their engines but I don=E2=80=
=99t dare. A billet crank might help a little but I saw billet cranks break=
ing too.
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         Engine power is not my main concern. Cornering speed is.
> >=20
> >         =20
> >=20
> >         Cheers
> >=20
> >         Chris
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> >         Von: Fot <[email-masked]> Im Auftrag von Phil Gott =
via Fot
> >         Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. November 2019 22:03
> >         An: Friends Of Triumph <[email-masked]>
> >         Betreff: Re: [Fot] Center main support
> >=20
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> >         Interesting, Chris:
> >=20
> >         My machine shop said that .002=E2=80=9D run out at the center m=
ain, with the crank supported and spun on numbers 1 and 3 was a sign that i=
t was developing high levels of internal stress (work hardening) and that i=
t should be retired. They aim for 0 run out under these conditions. Based o=
n what you=E2=80=99ve said, I wonder if they are being overly cautious. As =
they do not grind cranks themselves ( only polishing and balancing), they h=
ad little to gain from that diagnosis.
> >         Thanks for the input.
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> >         Sent from my iPhone
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> > >             On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Tony Drews <[email-masked]=
om mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
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> > >             Wow!  It's very nicely done.  Certainly overkill.
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> > >             Regards, Tony
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> > >             On 11/23/2019 9:11 PM, Phil Gott wrote:
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> > > >                 Here are some photos:
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> > > >                 Sent from my iPhone
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> > > > >                     On Nov 23, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Tony Drews <ton=
[email-masked]> mailto:[email-masked] wrote:
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> > > > >                     I agree, that sounds like overkill.  Mine onl=
y requires the top of the cap to be machined flat, no other block mods.
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> > > > >                     Regards, Tony
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> > > > >                     On 11/23/2019 5:42 AM, Phil Gott wrote:
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> > > > > >                         Thanks again, Tony:
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > >                         The one we have, built by the late Bill=
  Throop, in addition to reinforcing the cap itself, has the block machined=
 internally to accept the sides of a strap, then the strap  is cross bolted=
 from the sides, through the block from outside.  I=E2=80=99m wondering if =
this is a bit of overkill. Based on your recommendation, it seems to be.
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > >                         Maybe I can send some pictures later to=
day, as we are pulling the engine today for other work.
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> > > > > >                         Phil
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> > > > > > >                             On Nov 22, 2019, at 10:56 PM, Ton=
y Drews <[email-masked]> mailto:[email-masked] wrote:
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> > > > > > >                             I run that setup, it was an uncle=
 jack trick.  Here's what he wrote about that (on my engine building tips p=
age):
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > >                             "I also like to strap the center =
main to add rigidity to the bottom end.  To do this, mill off the cast face=
 of the main flush with the surfaces for the head bolts. Get a front strap =
for a Chevy 400 block. You must enlarge the holes in the strap  and you mus=
t use longer bolts.  Some  builders feel that this is totally unnecessary, =
but since starting to do this, I have never had a main bearing deteriorate =
faster than a rod bearing, which is something that happens more frequently =
than you would expect."
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > >                             Regards, Tony Drews
> > > > > > >=20
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> > > > > > >                             On 11/22/2019 3:58 PM, Phil Gott =
via Fot wrote:
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> > > > > > >                                 > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > >                                 Has anyone seen the need to=
 add extra support to the center main on the TR wet sleeve engine? We have =
an engine that has a steel bridge cross-bolted underneath and supporting th=
e center main cap. Is this needed? Just took 3 factory cranks to the machin=
e shop and all three were bent about .002 in (.002 run out at center main w=
hen supported on first and last mains.) Two of these were raced, the third =
was removed from a tired street engine. note: None of these cranks came out=
 of the engine with extra support at the center.
> > > > > > > >                                                  =20
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> > > > > > > >                                 Curious as to the need for =
the extra support.
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> > > > > > > >                                 Thanks,
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  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
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   My brother worked for Gran Turismo Jaguar in Northern Ohio a few decades=
 ago and I remember well him telling me they taught him how to straighten c=
ranks with a mallet of some sort, set up in a rotational device. &nbsp; I t=
hought it was barbaric at the time having never heard of that sort of thing=
, but GTJ definitely knew what they were doing. &nbsp;GTJ built championshi=
p winning Jags.&nbsp;
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  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
 color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">
   Dave H.&nbsp;
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  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
   On November 24, 2019 at 4:57 PM "John H. Hasty via Fot" &lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt; wrote:=20
   <br>=20
   <br> Chris: &nbsp;That is exactly how we built the roller bearing crank =
half's for our two stroke GP bikes... well placed blows with a brass hammer=
 and in an hour or so you end up with a straight crank=20
   <br>=20
   <br>
   <div dir=3D"ltr">
    Sent from my iPhone
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   <div dir=3D"ltr">
    <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Chris Marx via Fot &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt; wrote:=20
     <br>=20
     <br>
    </blockquote>
   </div>
   <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div dir=3D"ltr">
     <div class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-WordSection1">
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Hi Phil,</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">If I give a crank to the machine=
 shop for testing and maybe polishing they also correcting straightness.</p=
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">They using a hammer and a wedge =
like tool with brass or bronze surface and giving it a big blow at some pla=
ces to make it straight.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">They also checking with magna fl=
ux system for cracks.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">I run 0.0027=E2=80=9D main beari=
ng clearance.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">For sure Kas throw in is right. =
I keep the revs below 6k with the standard crank.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Many people going up to 7k with =
their engines but I don=E2=80=99t dare. A billet crank might help a little =
but I saw billet cranks breaking too.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Engine power is not my main conc=
ern. Cornering speed is.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Cheers</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Chris</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <div>
       <div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding=
: 3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;">
        <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal"><strong>Von:</strong> Fot &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt; <strong>Im Auftrag von </strong>Phil Gott vi=
a Fot<br> <strong>Gesendet:</strong> Sonntag, 24. November 2019 22:03<br> <=
strong>An:</strong> Friends Of Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <stro=
ng>Betreff:</strong> Re: [Fot] Center main support</p>
       </div>
      </div>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Interesting, Chris:</p>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">My machine shop said that .002=
=E2=80=9D run out at the center main, with the crank supported and spun on =
numbers 1 and 3 was a sign that it was developing high levels of internal s=
tress (work hardening) and that it should be retired. They aim for 0 run ou=
t under these conditions. Based on what you=E2=80=99ve said, I wonder if th=
ey are being overly cautious. As they do not grind cranks themselves ( only=
 polishing and balancing), they had little to gain from that diagnosis.<br>=
 Thanks for the input.</p>
       <div>
        <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p>
       </div>
       <div>
        <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal"><br> <br></p>
        <blockquote>
         <p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNorm=
al">On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Tony Drews &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tony@tony=
drews.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
        </blockquote>
       </div>
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        <div>
         <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;<br></p>
         <p>Wow!&nbsp; It's very nicely done.&nbsp; Certainly overkill.</p>
         <p>Regards, Tony</p>
         <div>
          <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">On 11/23/2019 9:11 PM, Phil =
Gott wrote:</p>
         </div>
         <blockquote>
          <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Here are some photos:</p>
          <div>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</p>
           </div>
           <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</p>
           </div>
           <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
            <div>
             <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&lt;image2.jpeg&gt;</p>
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            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
           </div>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
           </div>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p>
           </div>
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            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal"><br> <br></p>
            <blockquote>
             <p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-Mso=
Normal">On Nov 23, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Tony Drews <a href=3D"mailto:tony@ton=
ydrews.com">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:</p>
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            <div>
             <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;<br></p>
             <p>I agree, that sounds like overkill.&nbsp; Mine only require=
s the top of the cap to be machined flat, no other block mods.</p>
             <p>Regards, Tony</p>
             <div>
              <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">On 11/23/2019 5:42 AM, P=
hil Gott wrote:</p>
             </div>
             <blockquote>
              <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Thanks again, Tony:</p>
              <div>
               <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">The one we have, built =
by the late Bill &nbsp;Throop, in addition to reinforcing the cap itself, h=
as the block machined internally to accept the sides of a strap, then the s=
trap &nbsp;is cross bolted from the sides, through the block from outside. =
&nbsp;I=E2=80=99m wondering if this is a bit of overkill. Based on your rec=
ommendation, it seems to be.</p>
              </div>
              <div>
               <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Maybe I can send some p=
ictures later today, as we are pulling the engine today for other work.</p>
              </div>
              <div>
               <p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-M=
soNormal">Phil</p>
               <div>
                <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p=
               </div>
               <div>
                <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal"><br> <br></p>
                <blockquote>
                 <p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f=
-MsoNormal">On Nov 22, 2019, at 10:56 PM, Tony Drews <a href=3D"mailto:tony=
@tonydrews.com">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:</p>
                </blockquote>
               </div>
               <blockquote>
                <div>
                 <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;<br></p>
                 <p>I run that setup, it was an uncle jack trick.&nbsp; Her=
e's what he wrote about that (on my engine building tips page):</p>
                 <p><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Tahoma'=
,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">"I also like to strap the ce=
nter main to add rigidity to the bottom end.&nbsp; To do this, mill off the=
 cast face of the main flush with the surfaces for the head bolts. Get a fr=
ont strap for a Chevy 400 block. You must enlarge the holes in the strap&nb=
sp; and you must use longer bolts. &nbsp;Some&nbsp; builders feel that this=
 is totally unnecessary, but since starting to do this, I have never had a =
main bearing deteriorate faster than a rod bearing, which is something that=
 happens more frequently than you would expect."</span></p>
                 <div>
                  <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Regards, Tony Drews<=
/p>
                 </div>
                 <div>
                  <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                 </div>
                 <div>
                  <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">On 11/22/2019 3:58 P=
M, Phil Gott via Fot wrote:</p>
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                  <pre>Has anyone seen the need to add extra support to the=
 center main on the TR wet sleeve engine? We have an engine that has a stee=
l bridge cross-bolted underneath and supporting the center main cap. Is thi=
s needed? Just took 3 factory cranks to the machine shop and all three were=
 bent about .002 in (.002 run out at center main when supported on first an=
d last mains.) Two of these were raced, the third was removed from a tired =
street engine. note: None of these cranks came out of the engine with extra=
 support at the center.
                  </pre>
                  <pre>Curious as to the need for the extra support.
                  </pre>
                  <pre>Thanks,
                  </pre>
                  <pre>Phil Gott
                  </pre>
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Thanks everyone for the input!
Very helpful!
Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:28 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
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> My brother worked for Gran Turismo Jaguar in Northern Ohio a few decades a=
go and I remember well him telling me they taught him how to straighten cran=
ks with a mallet of some sort, set up in a rotational device.   I thought it=
 was barbaric at the time having never heard of that sort of thing, but GTJ d=
efinitely knew what they were doing.  GTJ built championship winning Jags.=20=

> Dave H.=20
>>> On November 24, 2019 at 4:57 PM "John H. Hasty via Fot" <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:=20
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 our two stroke GP bikes... well placed blows with a brass hammer and in an h=
our or so you end up with a straight crank=20
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>>> Hi Phil,
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>>> If I give a crank to the machine shop for testing and maybe polishing th=
ey also correcting straightness.
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>>> They using a hammer and a wedge like tool with brass or bronze surface a=
nd giving it a big blow at some places to make it straight.
>>> For sure Kas throw in is right. I keep the revs below 6k with the standa=
rd crank.
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>>> Many people going up to 7k with their engines but I don=E2=80=99t dare. A=
 billet crank might help a little but I saw billet cranks breaking too.
>>> Von: Fot <[email-masked]> Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot
>>> My machine shop said that .002=E2=80=9D run out at the center main, with=
 the crank supported and spun on numbers 1 and 3 was a sign that it was deve=
loping high levels of internal stress (work hardening) and that it should be=
 retired. They aim for 0 run out under these conditions. Based on what you=E2=
=80=99ve said, I wonder if they are being overly cautious. As they do not gr=
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>>> Thanks for the input.
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ap to be machined flat, no other block mods.
>>> The one we have, built by the late Bill  Throop, in addition to reinforc=
ing the cap itself, has the block machined internally to accept the sides of=
 a strap, then the strap  is cross bolted from the sides, through the block f=
rom outside.  I=E2=80=99m wondering if this is a bit of overkill. Based on y=
our recommendation, it seems to be.
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 today for other work.
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t that (on my engine building tips page):
>>>=20
>>> "I also like to strap the center main to add rigidity to the bottom end.=
  To do this, mill off the cast face of the main flush with the surfaces for=
 the head bolts. Get a front strap for a Chevy 400 block. You must enlarge t=
he holes in the strap  and you must use longer bolts.  Some  builders feel t=
hat this is totally unnecessary, but since starting to do this, I have never=
 had a main bearing deteriorate faster than a rod bearing, which is somethin=
g that happens more frequently than you would expect."
>>>=20
>>> Regards, Tony Drews
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>>> Has anyone seen the need to add extra support to the center main on the T=
R wet sleeve engine? We have an engine that has a steel bridge cross-bolted u=
nderneath and supporting the center main cap. Is this needed? Just took 3 fa=
ctory cranks to the machine shop and all three were bent about .002 in (.002=
 run out at center main when supported on first and last mains.) Two of thes=
e were raced, the third was removed from a tired street engine. note: None o=
f these cranks came out of the engine with extra support at the center.
>>>                  =20
>>> Curious as to the need for the extra support.
>>>                  =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks everyone for the input!<div>Very hel=
pful!</div><div>Phil<br><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:28 PM, D=
AVE HOGYE via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></di=
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   My brother worked for Gran Turismo Jaguar in Northern Ohio a few decades a=
go and I remember well him telling me they taught him how to straighten cran=
ks with a mallet of some sort, set up in a rotational device. &nbsp; I thoug=
ht it was barbaric at the time having never heard of that sort of thing, but=
 GTJ definitely knew what they were doing. &nbsp;GTJ built championship winn=
ing Jags.&nbsp;
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   On November 24, 2019 at 4:57 PM "John H. Hasty via Fot" &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt; wrote:=20
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alf's for our two stroke GP bikes... well placed blows with a brass hammer a=
nd in an hour or so you end up with a straight crank=20
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    Sent from my iPhone
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     On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Chris Marx via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&=
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     <div class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-WordSection1">
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Hi Phil,</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">If I give a crank to the machine s=
hop for testing and maybe polishing they also correcting straightness.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">They using a hammer and a wedge l=
ike tool with brass or bronze surface and giving it a big blow at some place=
s to make it straight.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">They also checking with magna flu=
x system for cracks.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">I run 0.0027=E2=80=9D main bearin=
g clearance.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">For sure Kas throw in is right. I=
 keep the revs below 6k with the standard crank.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Many people going up to 7k with t=
heir engines but I don=E2=80=99t dare. A billet crank might help a little bu=
t I saw billet cranks breaking too.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Engine power is not my main conce=
rn. Cornering speed is.</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Cheers</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Chris</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <div>
       <div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:=
 3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;">
        <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal"><strong>Von:</strong> Fot &lt;f=
[email-masked]&gt; <strong>Im Auftrag von </strong>Phil Gott via =
Fot<br> <strong>Gesendet:</strong> Sonntag, 24. November 2019 22:03<br> <str=
ong>An:</strong> Friends Of Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <strong>B=
etreff:</strong> Re: [Fot] Center main support</p>
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      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
      <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Interesting, Chris:</p>
      <div>
       <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">My machine shop said that .002=E2=
=80=9D run out at the center main, with the crank supported and spun on numb=
ers 1 and 3 was a sign that it was developing high levels of internal stress=
 (work hardening) and that it should be retired. They aim for 0 run out unde=
r these conditions. Based on what you=E2=80=99ve said, I wonder if they are b=
eing overly cautious. As they do not grind cranks themselves ( only polishin=
g and balancing), they had little to gain from that diagnosis.<br> Thanks fo=
r the input.</p>
       <div>
        <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p>
       </div>
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        <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal"><br> <br></p>
        <blockquote>
         <p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNorma=
l">On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Tony Drews &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tony@tonydr=
ews.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
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         <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;<br></p>
         <p>Wow!&nbsp; It's very nicely done.&nbsp; Certainly overkill.</p>
         <p>Regards, Tony</p>
         <div>
          <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">On 11/23/2019 9:11 PM, Phil G=
ott wrote:</p>
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          <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Here are some photos:</p>
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            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</p>
           </div>
           <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</p>
           </div>
           <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
            <div>
             <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&lt;image2.jpeg&gt;</p>
            </div>
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            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
           </div>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
           </div>
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            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p>
           </div>
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            <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal"><br> <br></p>
            <blockquote>
             <p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoN=
ormal">On Nov 23, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Tony Drews <a href=3D"mailto:tony@tonyd=
rews.com">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:</p>
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             <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;<br></p>
             <p>I agree, that sounds like overkill.&nbsp; Mine only requires=
 the top of the cap to be machined flat, no other block mods.</p>
             <p>Regards, Tony</p>
             <div>
              <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">On 11/23/2019 5:42 AM, Ph=
il Gott wrote:</p>
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              <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Thanks again, Tony:</p>
              <div>
               <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">The one we have, built b=
y the late Bill &nbsp;Throop, in addition to reinforcing the cap itself, has=
 the block machined internally to accept the sides of a strap, then the stra=
p &nbsp;is cross bolted from the sides, through the block from outside. &nbs=
p;I=E2=80=99m wondering if this is a bit of overkill. Based on your recommen=
dation, it seems to be.</p>
              </div>
              <div>
               <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Maybe I can send some pi=
ctures later today, as we are pulling the engine today for other work.</p>
              </div>
              <div>
               <p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-Ms=
oNormal">Phil</p>
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                <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p>=

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                 <p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-=
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                 <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;<br></p>
                 <p>I run that setup, it was an uncle jack trick.&nbsp; Here=
's what he wrote about that (on my engine building tips page):</p>
                 <p><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Tahoma',=
sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">"I also like to strap the cent=
er main to add rigidity to the bottom end.&nbsp; To do this, mill off the ca=
st face of the main flush with the surfaces for the head bolts. Get a front s=
trap for a Chevy 400 block. You must enlarge the holes in the strap&nbsp; an=
d you must use longer bolts. &nbsp;Some&nbsp; builders feel that this is tot=
ally unnecessary, but since starting to do this, I have never had a main bea=
ring deteriorate faster than a rod bearing, which is something that happens m=
ore frequently than you would expect."</span></p>
                 <div>
                  <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">Regards, Tony Drews</=
p>
                 </div>
                 <div>
                  <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                 </div>
                 <div>
                  <p class=3D"ox-bcb1e9c26f-MsoNormal">On 11/22/2019 3:58 PM=
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                  <pre>Has anyone seen the need to add extra support to the c=
enter main on the TR wet sleeve engine? We have an engine that has a steel b=
ridge cross-bolted underneath and supporting the center main cap. Is this ne=
eded? Just took 3 factory cranks to the machine shop and all three were bent=
 about .002 in (.002 run out at center main when supported on first and last=
 mains.) Two of these were raced, the third was removed from a tired street e=
ngine. note: None of these cranks came out of the engine with extra support a=
t the center.
                  </pre>
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Dave,

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it is fascinating to watch, how two people straightening a crank within  =
 few minutes.

One is holding the bearing journal in place on a holder and the other =
give it a blow and measuring.

Very cool. Once I helped myself. Nobody had a hand free, so I held the =
crank in place :)

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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Center main support

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My brother worked for Gran Turismo Jaguar in Northern Ohio a few decades =
ago and I remember well him telling me they taught him how to straighten =
cranks with a mallet of some sort, set up in a rotational device.   I =
thought it was barbaric at the time having never heard of that sort of =
thing, but GTJ definitely knew what they were doing.  GTJ built =
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On November 24, 2019 at 4:57 PM "John H. Hasty via Fot" =

Chris:  That is exactly how we built the roller bearing crank half's for =
our two stroke GP bikes... well placed blows with a brass hammer and in =
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Hi Phil,

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If I give a crank to the machine shop for testing and maybe polishing =
they also correcting straightness.

They using a hammer and a wedge like tool with brass or bronze surface =
and giving it a big blow at some places to make it straight.

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For sure Kas throw in is right. I keep the revs below 6k with the =
standard crank.

Many people going up to 7k with their engines but I don=E2=80=99t dare. =
A billet crank might help a little but I saw billet cranks breaking too.

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Cheers

Chris

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Interesting, Chris:

My machine shop said that .002=E2=80=9D run out at the center main, with =
the crank supported and spun on numbers 1 and 3 was a sign that it was =
developing high levels of internal stress (work hardening) and that it =
should be retired. They aim for 0 run out under these conditions. Based =
on what you=E2=80=99ve said, I wonder if they are being overly cautious. =
As they do not grind cranks themselves ( only polishing and balancing), =
they had little to gain from that diagnosis.
Thanks for the input.

Sent from my iPhone

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On Nov 24, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Tony Drews <[email-masked] =

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Regards, Tony

Here are some photos:

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Sent from my iPhone

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I agree, that sounds like overkill.  Mine only requires the top of the =
cap to be machined flat, no other block mods.

Regards, Tony

Thanks again, Tony:

The one we have, built by the late Bill  Throop, in addition to =
reinforcing the cap itself, has the block machined internally to accept =
the sides of a strap, then the strap  is cross bolted from the sides, =
through the block from outside.  I=E2=80=99m wondering if this is a bit =
of overkill. Based on your recommendation, it seems to be.

Maybe I can send some pictures later today, as we are pulling the engine =
today for other work.

Phil

Sent from my iPhone

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I run that setup, it was an uncle jack trick.  Here's what he wrote =
about that (on my engine building tips page):

"I also like to strap the center main to add rigidity to the bottom end. =
 To do this, mill off the cast face of the main flush with the surfaces =
for the head bolts. Get a front strap for a Chevy 400 block. You must =
enlarge the holes in the strap  and you must use longer bolts.  Some  =
builders feel that this is totally unnecessary, but since starting to do =
this, I have never had a main bearing deteriorate faster than a rod =
bearing, which is something that happens more frequently than you would =
expect."

Regards, Tony Drews

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Has anyone seen the need to add extra support to the center main on the =
TR wet sleeve engine? We have an engine that has a steel bridge =
cross-bolted underneath and supporting the center main cap. Is this =
needed? Just took 3 factory cranks to the machine shop and all three =
were bent about .002 in (.002 run out at center main when supported on =
first and last mains.) Two of these were raced, the third was removed =
from a tired street engine. note: None of these cranks came out of the =
engine with extra support at the center.
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Dave,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>it is fascinating to watch, how two =
people straightening a crank within=C2=A0=C2=A0 few =
minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>One is holding the bearing journal =
in place on a holder and the other give it a blow and =
measuring.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Very cool. Once I helped myself. =
Nobody had a hand free, so I held the crank in place </span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>J</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Von:</b> DAVE HOGYE =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 25. November =
2019 03:28<br><b>An:</b> John H. Hasty &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; John =
H. Hasty via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] Center main =
support<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>My brother worked for Gran Turismo Jaguar in Northern Ohio a few =
decades ago and I remember well him telling me they taught him how to =
straighten cranks with a mallet of some sort, set up in a rotational =
device. &nbsp; I thought it was barbaric at the time having never heard =
of that sort of thing, but GTJ definitely knew what they were doing. =
&nbsp;GTJ built championship winning Jags.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Dave H.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On November 24, 2019 at 4:57 PM =
&quot;John H. Hasty via Fot&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<br><br>Chris: &nbsp;That is exactly how we built the roller bearing =
crank half's for our two stroke GP bikes... well placed blows with a =
brass hammer and in an hour or so you end up with a straight crank =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Chris Marx =
via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Hi Phil,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>If I give a crank to the machine shop =
for testing and maybe polishing they also correcting =
straightness.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>They =
using a hammer and a wedge like tool with brass or bronze surface and =
giving it a big blow at some places to make it =
straight.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>They also =
checking with magna flux system for cracks.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>I run 0.0027=E2=80=9D main bearing =
clearance.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>For sure Kas throw in is right. I keep =
the revs below 6k with the standard crank.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Many people going up to 7k with their =
engines but I don=E2=80=99t dare. A billet crank might help a little but =
I saw billet cranks breaking too.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Engine power is not my main concern. =
Cornering speed is.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></strong> Fot =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Im Auftrag =
von </span></strong>Phil Gott via Fot<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Gesendet:</span></strong> =
Sonntag, 24. November 2019 22:03<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>An:</span></strong> Friends =
Of Triumph &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><strong>=
<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Betreff:</span></strong> Re: =
[Fot] Center main support<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Interesting, =
Chris:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>My machine =
shop said that .002=E2=80=9D run out at the center main, with the crank =
supported and spun on numbers 1 and 3 was a sign that it was developing =
high levels of internal stress (work hardening) and that it should be =
retired. They aim for 0 run out under these conditions. Based on what =
you=E2=80=99ve said, I wonder if they are being overly cautious. As they =
do not grind cranks themselves ( only polishing and balancing), they had =
little to gain from that diagnosis.<br>Thanks for the =
input.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Sent from =
my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov =
24, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Tony Drews &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>Wow!&nbsp; It's =
very nicely done.&nbsp; Certainly overkill.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regards, =
Tony<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>On 11/23/2019 =
9:11 PM, Phil Gott wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Here are some =
photos:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&lt;image2.jpeg&gt;<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
/div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov =
23, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Tony Drews <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>I agree, that =
sounds like overkill.&nbsp; Mine only requires the top of the cap to be =
machined flat, no other block mods.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regards, =
Tony<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>On 11/23/2019 =
5:42 AM, Phil Gott wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Thanks again, =
Tony:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>The one we =
have, built by the late Bill &nbsp;Throop, in addition to reinforcing =
the cap itself, has the block machined internally to accept the sides of =
a strap, then the strap &nbsp;is cross bolted from the sides, through =
the block from outside. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99m wondering if this is a bit of =
overkill. Based on your recommendation, it seems to =
be.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Maybe I =
can send some pictures later today, as we are pulling the engine today =
for other work.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Phil<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov =
22, 2019, at 10:56 PM, Tony Drews <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>I run that =
setup, it was an uncle jack trick.&nbsp; Here's what he wrote about that =
(on my engine building tips page):<o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black;bac=
kground:white'>&quot;I also like to strap the center main to add =
rigidity to the bottom end.&nbsp; To do this, mill off the cast face of =
the main flush with the surfaces for the head bolts. Get a front strap =
for a Chevy 400 block. You must enlarge the holes in the strap&nbsp; and =
you must use longer bolts. &nbsp;Some&nbsp; builders feel that this is =
totally unnecessary, but since starting to do this, I have never had a =
main bearing deteriorate faster than a rod bearing, which is something =
that happens more frequently than you would =
expect.&quot;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>Regards, Tony =
Drews<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dox-bcb1e9c26f-msonormal>On 11/22/2019 3:58 PM, Phil Gott via Fot =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Has anyone seen the =
need to add extra support to the center main on the TR wet sleeve =
engine? We have an engine that has a steel bridge cross-bolted =
underneath and supporting the center main cap. Is this needed? Just took =
3 factory cranks to the machine shop and all three were bent about .002 =
in (.002 run out at center main when supported on first and last mains.) =
Two of these were raced, the third was removed from a tired street =
engine. note: None of these cranks came out of the engine with extra =
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