Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT gauge installation

From: Duncan Charlton via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 18:04:22 -0600

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With a two-stroke aircraft engine I was led to understand that the =
distance in the exhaust port from the piston skirt to the sensor =
(equivalent to the distance from the exhaust valve to the sensor on a =
4-stroke) was critical due to pressure waves creating local variations =
in temperature and presumably this is the same in 4-stroke engines.  I =
don=E2=80=99t recall the recommended distance but the sensor will read a =
higher temperature than the piston crown will see.  Venolia uses two =
types of aluminum alloy for their pistons, 2618 (990-1060=CB=9AF melting =
point) and 4032 (1020-1180=CB=9AF melting point) alloys.  Pure aluminum =
melts at 1220=CB=9AF.

I seem to remember trying to keep it around 1250=CB=9AF or so on my =
2-cylinder 2-stroke engine.  On one occasion I saw a brief spike in =
temperature, likely over 1325=CB=9AF, and heard a clinking sound in the =
exhaust.  The plugs later were found to have tiny shiny aluminum-colored =
globules on them.  (I=E2=80=99d adjusted the mixture the wrong direction =
before takeoff, so I quickly realized it was a little on the lean side.  =
It was an unstable aircraft and I inadvertently dropped the nose while =
consulting a map, unloading the prop a bit, which raises the EGT.)

Duncan

> On Feb 28, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Tony Drews via Fot <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> I've always heard that if you have a balance tube between front and =
rear carb that you want to run in 1 and 4 so you can better isolate =
which carb you want to adjust.
>=20
> I have mine in 1 and 4 but run webers so no balance tube.  I see up to =
1450 F at the end of long straights.  Much more than that and I start to =
transfer aluminum from the piston to the cylinder walls.  I think =
there's some variation in temp readings between different probes and =
gauges, I don't know what the accuracy really is.
>=20
> It's a great troubleshooting tool when the car starts to run like =
crap.  Another helpful tools is a fuel pressure gauge (with isolator so =
you don't pipe gas into the passenger compartment).  Pressure too high =
overruns the floats.  To low and you've got something funny with the =
feed like a regulator / pump going bad or you forgot to put gas in the =
car.
>=20
> - Tony
>=20
> On 2/27/2019 6:10 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote:
>> Interesting =E2=80=93 why not 1 and 4 or 2 and 3?
>> =20
>> Scott (B.)
>> =20
>> From: Fot <[email-masked]> =
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 2:20 PM
>> Cc: Friends of Triumph <[email-masked]> =
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT gauge installation
>> =20
>> =20
>> If you are using SU's I would use Cylinders 1 and 3 or 2 and 4. If =
you are using dual Webers I prefer the same as above but any two will do =
really.
>> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 1:00:53 AM EST, Terry Stetler via =
>> =20
>> =20
>> One and Four.  Typically those would run the leaner than Two and =
Three.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Terry Stetler
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>> =20
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Windows 10
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>> =20
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>> From: Fot <[email-masked] =
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 12:30:15 PM
>> To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph
>> Subject: [Fot] EGT gauge installation
>> =20
>> I need some tips on installation of a dual probe EGT gauge on the TR4 =
race engine with twin Strombergs-
>> What two cylinder to use for probes.
>> Optimum EG temperature for tuning purposes.
>> =20
>> =20
>> Thanks=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">With =
a two-stroke aircraft engine I was led to understand that the distance =
in the exhaust port from the piston skirt to the sensor (equivalent to =
the distance from the exhaust valve to the sensor on a 4-stroke) was =
critical due to pressure waves creating local variations in temperature =
and presumably this is the same in 4-stroke engines. &nbsp;I don=E2=80=99t=
 recall the recommended distance but the sensor will read a higher =
temperature than the piston crown will see. &nbsp;Venolia uses two types =
of aluminum alloy for their pistons, 2618 (990-1060=CB=9AF melting =
point) and 4032 (1020-1180=CB=9AF melting point) alloys. &nbsp;Pure =
aluminum melts at 1220=CB=9AF.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I seem to remember trying to keep it around 1250=CB=9AF or so =
on my 2-cylinder 2-stroke engine. &nbsp;On one occasion I saw a brief =
spike in temperature, likely over 1325=CB=9AF, and heard a clinking =
sound in the exhaust. &nbsp;The plugs later were found to have tiny =
shiny aluminum-colored globules on them. &nbsp;(I=E2=80=99d adjusted the =
mixture the wrong direction before takeoff, so I quickly realized it was =
a little on the lean side. &nbsp;It&nbsp;was an unstable aircraft and I =
inadvertently dropped the nose while consulting a map, unloading the =
prop a bit, which raises the EGT.)<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Duncan</div></div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb =
28, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Tony Drews via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><p =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">I've always heard that if you have a =
balance tube between front and rear carb that you want to run in 1 and 4 =
so you can better isolate which carb you want to adjust.</p><p =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">I have mine in 1 and 4 but run webers =
so no balance tube.&nbsp; I see up to 1450 F at the end of long =
straights.&nbsp; Much more than that and I start to transfer aluminum =
from the piston to the cylinder walls.&nbsp; I think there's some =
variation in temp readings between different probes and gauges, I don't =
know what the accuracy really is.</p><p style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">It's a great troubleshooting tool when the car starts to run =
like crap.&nbsp; Another helpful tools is a fuel pressure gauge (with =
isolator so you don't pipe gas into the passenger compartment).&nbsp; =
Pressure too high overruns the floats.&nbsp; To low and you've got =
something funny with the feed like a regulator / pump going bad or you =
forgot to put gas in the car.<br class=3D""></p><p style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">-=
 Tony<br class=3D""></p><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
text-decoration: none;">On 2/27/2019 6:10 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:[email-masked].=
prod.outlook.com" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; =
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style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" class=3D"">Interesting =E2=80=93=
 why not 1 and 4 or 2 and 3?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt;" class=3D"">Scott (B.)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; =
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3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:=
 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Rick Parent via =
Fot<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, February 27, =
2019 2:20 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>John Styduhar<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>; Terry Stetler<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friends of Triumph<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] EGT gauge =
installation<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">If you are =
using SU's I would use Cylinders 1 and 3 or 2 and 4. If you are using =
dual Webers I prefer the same as above but any two will do really.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
id=3D"yahoo_quoted_1935976754" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 1:00:53 AM =
EST, Terry Stetler via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
id=3D"yiv1325082919" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv1325082919msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">One and =
Four.&nbsp; Typically those would run the leaner than Two and Three.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"yiv1325082919msonormal" =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"yiv1325082919msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">Terry =
Stetler<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"yiv1325082919msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"yiv1325082919msonormal" =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">Sent from<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986" =
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">Mail</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>for Windows 10<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"yiv1325082919msonormal" =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" =
align=3D"center" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif; text-align: =
center;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D""><hr width=3D"98%" =
size=3D"3" align=3D"center" class=3D""></span></div><div =
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id=3D"yiv1325082919divRplyFwdMsg" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of John Styduhar =
via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D"true"=
 style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, February 26, 2019 =
12:30:15 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Triumph 'Friends of =
Triumph<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Fot] EGT gauge =
installation</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">I need some tips on installation of a dual =
probe EGT gauge on the TR4 race engine with twin Strombergs-<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">What two cylinder to use =
for probes.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" =
class=3D"">Optimum EG temperature for tuning purposes.<o:p =
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I've always been told that about 6" from the head is where the probes 
should be.  Closer to the head would be slightly hotter, further away 
colder - but like Mark says it's awfully dang hot and a few inches is 
unlikely to make much difference in that.  As far as coming from front 
or back, that really doesn't matter - make it convenient to remove / 
install the probes, you'll be doing it every rebuild at least.

Regards, Tony

On 2/28/2019 9:18 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote:
> The location of the EGT sensors on #1 and #4 puts it on the outside 
> curve of the tubes.   Does it matter where I drill the hole on the 
> bend?  I can approach it from the side or outside of the curve on both.
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:46 AM DPPI - Mark Craig 
> <[email-masked] 
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>     Yeah you always will, closest to the head outlet is best, but you
>     also got to be able to install it and service it. 2 -2.5” away
>     from the outlet is going to be fine. Think about it at 6-7000 RPM
>     is an extra inch going to matter much in the overall temp?? That
>     engine is putting out a flame front constantly like a torch, it
>     won’t matter . Remember you always got some like Rick Parent that
>     think they are the end all do all for all Triumph ot any other
>     engine in the world.  Use 1 & 4 cylinders as it is a known leaner
>     condition on them for 40 years. You want to measure the leanest
>     place you can as you know the rest is safe as compared. Check a
>     lot of the cars in the pits, I have never seen one on #2 or #3, ever.
>
>     I am no magical expert, I am just a good observer of others and
>     that’s how I got to know what I know.
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>     *From:*John Styduhar [mailto:[email-masked]
>     *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:10 AM
>     *To:* DPPI - Mark Craig <[email-masked]
>     *Subject:* Re: [Fot] EGT gauge installation
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>     That distance you mentioned would put the sensor about 6" from the
>     exhaust valve.  I'm getting some difference of opinion from the
>     membership regarding which cylinders to use.
>
>     On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 5:07 PM DPPI - Mark Craig
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>         Use #1 & #4 about 2.0-2.5” from the header flange.
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    <p>I've always been told that about 6" from the head is where the
      probes should be.  Closer to the head would be slightly hotter,
      further away colder - but like Mark says it's awfully dang hot and
      a few inches is unlikely to make much difference in that.  As far
      as coming from front or back, that really doesn't matter - make it
      convenient to remove / install the probes, you'll be doing it
      every rebuild at least.</p>
    <p>Regards, Tony<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/28/2019 9:18 AM, John Styduhar via
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The location
          of the EGT sensors on #1 and #4 puts it on the outside curve
          of the tubes.   Does it matter where I drill the hole on the
          bend?  I can approach it from the side or outside of the curve
          on both.</div>
      </div>
      <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:46
          AM DPPI - Mark Craig &lt;<a
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Yeah
                  you always will, closest to the head outlet is best,
                  but you also got to be able to install it and service
                  it. 2 -2.5” away from the outlet is going to be fine.
                  Think about it at 6-7000 RPM is an extra inch going to
                  matter much in the overall temp?? That engine is
                  putting out a flame front constantly like a torch, it
                  won’t matter . Remember you always got some like Rick
                  Parent that think they are the end all do all for all
                  Triumph ot any other engine in the world.  Use 1 &amp;
                  4 cylinders as it is a known leaner condition on them
                  for 40 years. You want to measure the leanest place
                  you can as you know the rest is safe as compared. 
                  Check a lot of the cars in the pits, I have never seen
                  one on #2 or #3, ever. </span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                  am no magical expert, I am just a good observer of
                  others and that’s how I got to know what I know.
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                          Performance Parts, Inc.<br>
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                          Email: <a
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                    style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
                  style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                  John Styduhar [mailto:<a
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                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>]
                  <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:10 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> DPPI - Mark Craig &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] EGT gauge installation</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">That distance you mentioned would
                    put the sensor about 6" from the exhaust valve.  I'm
                    getting some difference of opinion from the
                    membership regarding which cylinders to use.  </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 5:07 PM
                    DPPI - Mark Craig &lt;<a
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style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Use
                          #1 &amp; #4 about 2.0-2.5” from the header
                          flange.
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                                    Craig<br>
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                                  Performance Parts, Inc.<br>
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                                  615-834-0066<br>
                                  Fax: 615-834-9923<br>
                                  Email: <a
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                            style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Fot [mailto:<a
                            href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Styduhar via Fot<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:30
                          AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Triumph 'Friends of Triumph &lt;<a
                            href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> [Fot] EGT gauge installation</span></p>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">I need some tips on
                            installation of a dual probe EGT gauge on
                            the TR4 race engine with twin Strombergs-</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">What two cylinder to use
                            for probes.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Optimum EG temperature
                            for tuning purposes.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks </p>
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From: Rick Parent via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 16:47:13 +0000 (UTC)

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 Mark Craig, I don't know who put a bee in your bonnet but your comments ar=
e out of place and unappreciated and I will not get in the gutter with you.=
 I thank God that we live in a free country so you may say what you like, I=
 just can't spend any time on it.
Sorry, I am at Sebring this weekend and have not had a chance to answer the=
 WHY question and as a disclaimer my response is worth about as much as you=
 paid for it, my hope is that its helps someone out.
With all 4cyl engines that have 1,3,4,2 firing order and share a common int=
ake runner for 1,2 and 3,4 all have the same problem, there is an over lap =
with the two cylinders that are in sequence concerning the intake charge an=
d one cylinder actually robs charge from the other, and that is why when in=
stalling dual Webers the EGT reading to evens out. I personally don't care =
for the EGT gauges and prefer a cheap ($150) Air Fuel Ratio gauge, it does =
the same thing as an EGT gauge with less drama, just one fitting in the col=
lector and done, another good thing about an O2 gauge is they read instantl=
y where the EGT gauge take some time and the best place for the most accura=
te reading is at the end of the longest straight. I can say that running a =
dual SU's set up or a single Weber anything leaner that 12.5-7 to 1 is in t=
he danger zone. With dual Webers I wouldn't be afraid to see 13.5-7 to 1, a=
s far as what a good reading is for a EGT gauge its been so long since I ha=
ve used one I couldn't say. I do have some brand new ones I will put on my =
Dyno someday but,=C2=A0not today ;-)

    On Friday, March 1, 2019, 5:45:23 AM EST, Tony Drews via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 =20
I've always been told that about 6" from the head is where the probes shoul=
d be.=C2=A0 Closer to the head would be slightly hotter, further away colde=
r - but like Mark says it's awfully dang hot and a few inches is unlikely t=
o make much difference in that.=C2=A0 As far as coming from front or back, =
that really doesn't matter - make it convenient to remove / install the pro=
bes, you'll be doing it every rebuild at least.
=20
Regards, Tony
=20
 On 2/28/2019 9:18 AM, John Styduhar via Fot wrote:
 =20
=20
 The location of the EGT sensors on #1 and #4 puts it on the outside curve =
of the tubes.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Does it matter where I drill the hole on the bend=
?=C2=A0 I can approach it from the side or outside of the curve on both. =
=20
  On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:46 AM DPPI - Mark Craig <info@dieselperformance=
parts.com> wrote:
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  =20
Yeah you always will, closest to the head outlet is best, but you also got =
to be able to install it and service it. 2 -2.5=E2=80=9D away from the outl=
et is going to be fine. Think about it at 6-7000 RPM is an extra inch going=
 to matter much in the overall temp?? That engine is putting out a flame fr=
ont constantly like a torch, it won=E2=80=99t matter . Remember you always =
got some like Rick Parent that think they are the end all do all for all Tr=
iumph ot any other engine in the world.=C2=A0 Use 1 & 4 cylinders as it is =
a known leaner condition on them for 40 years. You want to measure the lean=
est place you can as you know the rest is safe as compared.=C2=A0 Check a l=
ot of the cars in the pits, I have never seen one on #2 or #3, ever.=20
=20
=C2=A0
=20
I am no magical expert, I am just a good observer of others and that=E2=80=
=99s how I got to know what I know.=20
=20
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Mark Craig
 Diesel Performance Parts, Inc.
 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211
 www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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 =C2=A0=C2=A0
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=C2=A0
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Phone: 615-834-0066
 Fax: 615-834-9923
 Email: [email-masked]
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=C2=A0
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=20
=C2=A0
=20
=C2=A0
=20
From: John Styduhar [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:10 AM
 To: DPPI - Mark Craig <[email-masked]>
 Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT gauge installation
=20
=C2=A0
  =20
That distance you mentioned would put the sensor about 6" from the exhaust =
valve.=C2=A0 I'm getting some difference of opinion from the membership reg=
arding which cylinders to use.=C2=A0=C2=A0
  =20
=C2=A0
  =20
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 5:07 PM DPPI - Mark Craig <info@dieselperformancepa=
rts.com> wrote:
 =20
  =20
Use #1 & #4 about 2.0-2.5=E2=80=9D from the header flange.=20
=20
=C2=A0
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 =C2=A0
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 Mark Craig
 Diesel Performance Parts, Inc.
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        <div>Mark Craig, I don't know who put a bee in your bonnet but your=
 comments are out of place and unappreciated and I will not get in the gutt=
er with you. I thank God that we live in a free country so you may say what=
 you like, I just can't spend any time on it.</div><div><br></div><div>Sorr=
y, I am at Sebring this weekend and have not had a chance to answer the WHY=
 question and as a disclaimer my response is worth about as much as you pai=
d for it, my hope is that its helps someone out.</div><div><br></div><div>W=
ith all 4cyl engines that have 1,3,4,2 firing order and share a common inta=
ke runner for 1,2 and 3,4 all have the same problem, there is an over lap w=
ith the two cylinders that are in sequence concerning the intake charge and=
 one cylinder actually robs charge from the other, and that is why when ins=
talling dual Webers the EGT reading to evens out. I personally don't care f=
or the EGT gauges and prefer a cheap ($150) Air Fuel Ratio gauge, it does t=
he same thing as an EGT gauge with less drama, just one fitting in the coll=
ector and done, another good thing about an O2 gauge is they read instantly=
 where the EGT gauge take some time and the best place for the most accurat=
e reading is at the end of the longest straight. I can say that running a d=
ual SU's set up or a single Weber anything leaner that 12.5-7 to 1 is in th=
e danger zone. With dual Webers I wouldn't be afraid to see 13.5-7 to 1, as=
 far as what a good reading is for a EGT gauge its been so long since I hav=
e used one I couldn't say. I do have some brand new ones I will put on my D=
yno someday but,&nbsp;not today ;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div>
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                    On Friday, March 1, 2019, 5:45:23 AM EST, Tony Drews vi=
a Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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    <p>I've always been told that about 6" from the head is where the
      probes should be.&nbsp; Closer to the head would be slightly hotter,
      further away colder - but like Mark says it's awfully dang hot and
      a few inches is unlikely to make much difference in that.&nbsp; As fa=
r
      as coming from front or back, that really doesn't matter - make it
      convenient to remove / install the probes, you'll be doing it
      every rebuild at least.</p>
    <p>Regards, Tony<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div class=3D"yiv7322646066yqt4761537591" id=3D"yiv7322646066yqtfd50456=
"><div class=3D"yiv7322646066moz-cite-prefix">On 2/28/2019 9:18 AM, John St=
yduhar via
      Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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      </blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"yiv7322646066yqt4761537591" id=
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37591" id=3D"yiv7322646066yqtfd78322"><div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div class=3D"yiv7322646066gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;=
">The location
          of the EGT sensors on #1 and #4 puts it on the outside curve
          of the tubes.&nbsp; &nbsp;Does it matter where I drill the hole o=
n the
          bend?&nbsp; I can approach it from the side or outside of the cur=
ve
          on both.</div>
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        <div class=3D"yiv7322646066gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Feb 28, =
2019 at 8:46
          AM DPPI - Mark Craig &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymail=
to=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
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          wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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ion1">
              <p class=3D"yiv7322646066MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
14pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);">Yeah
                  you always will, closest to the head outlet is best,
                  but you also got to be able to install it and service
                  it. 2 -2.5=E2=80=9D away from the outlet is going to be f=
ine.
                  Think about it at 6-7000 RPM is an extra inch going to
                  matter much in the overall temp?? That engine is
                  putting out a flame front constantly like a torch, it
                  won=E2=80=99t matter . Remember you always got some like =
Rick
                  Parent that think they are the end all do all for all
                  Triumph ot any other engine in the world.&nbsp; Use 1 &am=
p;
                  4 cylinders as it is a known leaner condition on them
                  for 40 years. You want to measure the leanest place
                  you can as you know the rest is safe as compared.&nbsp;
                  Check a lot of the cars in the pits, I have never seen
                  one on #2 or #3, ever. </span></p>
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                  am no magical expert, I am just a good observer of
                  others and that=E2=80=99s how I got to know what I know.
                </span></p>
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              <p class=3D"yiv7322646066MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">
                  John Styduhar [mailto:<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:joh=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>]
                  <br clear=3D"none">
                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:10 AM<br clear=
=3D"none">
                  <b>To:</b> DPPI - Mark Craig &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">info@dieselperformance=
parts.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] EGT gauge installation</span></=
p>
              <p class=3D"yiv7322646066MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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                <div>
                  <p class=3D"yiv7322646066MsoNormal">That distance you men=
tioned would
                    put the sensor about 6" from the exhaust valve.&nbsp; I=
'm
                    getting some difference of opinion from the
                    membership regarding which cylinders to use.&nbsp;&nbsp=
;</p>
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              <p class=3D"yiv7322646066MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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                  <p class=3D"yiv7322646066MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 =
at 5:07 PM
                    DPPI - Mark Craig &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;
                    wrote:</p>
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                      <p class=3D"yiv7322646066MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);">Use
                          #1 &amp; #4 about 2.0-2.5=E2=80=9D from the heade=
r
                          flange.
                        </span></p>
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                          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:30
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ips on
                            installation of a dual probe EGT gauge on
                            the TR4 race engine with twin Strombergs-</p>
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                          <p class=3D"yiv7322646066MsoNormal">What two cyli=
nder to use
                            for probes.</p>
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                          <p class=3D"yiv7322646066MsoNormal">Optimum EG te=
mperature
                            for tuning purposes.</p>
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Almost every car in our classic race championship has an AFR sensor nowaday=
s and it should have, for power and for the safety of the engine. Even if t=
he driver is an expert plug reader, an AFR sensor is giving more informatio=
n on all the different circumstances at a racetrack : all you have to do is=
 to look at the gauge regularly and after some time you will know what AFR =
ratio is safe and is giving best power. It will allow to adapt the carburet=
tor jets and maybe the ignition timing. So far I did not see EGT probes in =
the cars of our championship. On my engine dyno (Stuska) I use the 4 EGT pr=
obes. The reaction of the EGT probes is almost as fast as an O2 sensor, but=
 I think the AFR ratio (or the real time fuel consumption) is an easier and=
 exact way to tune the mixture. I use the EGT gauges to be aware immediatel=
y when something goes wrong : when the T=C2=B0 readings of one of the probe=
s goes too low or too high, an alarm goes off. In this way, it shows immedi=
ately when i.e. a plug does not fire or a valve is sticking etc.=20
The EGT reading of no 4 cylinder is mostly 5% higher than the rest : I thou=
ght this is because of the distance and positioning of the probe, but of co=
urse it can be the consequence of a leaner mixture in no 4. But the distanc=
e does matter : when you have experience with an oxy/acetyleen welder, you =
know that the distance to the part you are working at is all important : th=
e T=C2=B0 is lowering very fast with the distance. I think the same goes fo=
r the EGT probe in the exhaust flame. With 2 carburettors and 2 EGT probes,=
 I would use cylinder no 2 and 3 because these exhaust primaries have the s=
ame shape and you get 1 probe for each carburettor. But then no 1 and 4 is =
a more convenient installation...=20
Marcel=20

Van: "fot" <[email-masked]>=20
Aan: [email-masked]=20
Verzonden: Maandag 4 maart 2019 14:47:28=20
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] EGT gauge installation=20

As far as AFR gauges vs EGT they both have their place in/on a race engine.=
 AFR will get you and average of all the cylinders at any given moment. The=
 down side in a 4 banger is the outer cylinders #1 and #4 are always a litt=
le leaner than #2 and #3 due to the nature of the design of the engine and =
intake. If used correctly, and if you get the right design and quality of p=
robes, the reading can be almost instantaneous. Use a good quality exposed =
tip probe and they reaction time is as fast as an tachometer which we all u=
se to gauge RPM=E2=80=99s so that is pretty fast. If you buy a sealed Incon=
el probe the reaction is slower, but still good enough for most people. I u=
se both on all cars as a failsafe. The EGT give me the info on the outer cy=
linders which are the one most commonly damaged by being too lean. The AFR =
tell me that overall I am OK. I buy an EGT thru Auber Instruments. You can =
get a 2=E2=80=9Dx2=E2=80=9D digital that reads in red for one cylinder and =
green for the other. They have the quick response exposed tip Type K thermo=
couples and the whole deal is 160.00 or so. The best part is the digital ga=
uge has recall of the highest reading and it also has a warning light that =
comes on by whatever temp you select and set it al. Helps to keep you aware=
 of what is going on thru visual info vs watching the gauge all the time. Y=
ou can even hook up a buzzer if you want. They also have single gauges for =
one probe, but the cost of two is higher and you got to install two for pow=
er and ground and such so why would you. One of my cars has two Auto meter =
EGT=E2=80=99s gauges, while fine and the quality is first rate I have to be=
 the monitor to see what is happening as it happens. Sometimes at the end o=
f a straight you can be quite busy and don=E2=80=99t have time to see two E=
GT=E2=80=99s gauges. If I hasn=E2=80=99t made up such a nice engine turned =
aluminum dash I would swap them out, but alas I am stuck with two 2=E2=80=
=9D holes if I do. As an aside the O2 sensor of a typical AFR will read ina=
ccurately in our cars too if you run leaded race fuel. Over time the readin=
gs will changed based on how much leaded fuel it has been exposed to.. The =
lead gets on/in the sensor and fouls it, so you got to replace them when th=
at happens. For most of us that=E2=80=99s a long time but you got to know i=
t anyway.=20

Hope this helps you guys.=20

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--></style></div><div>Almost every car in our classic race championship has=
 an AFR sensor nowadays and it should have, for power and for the safety of=
 the engine. Even if the driver is an expert plug reader, an AFR sensor is =
giving more information on all the different circumstances at&nbsp; a racet=
rack : all you have to do is to look at the gauge regularly and after some =
time you will know what AFR ratio is safe and is giving best power. It will=
 allow to adapt the carburettor jets and maybe the ignition timing. So far =
I did not see EGT probes in the cars of our&nbsp; championship. On my engin=
e dyno (Stuska) I use the 4 EGT probes. The reaction of the EGT probes is a=
lmost as fast as an O2 sensor, but I think the AFR ratio (or the real time =
fuel consumption) is an easier and exact way to tune the mixture. I&nbsp; u=
se the EGT gauges to be aware immediately when something goes wrong : when =
the T=C2=B0 readings of one of the probes goes too low or too high, an alar=
m goes off. In this way, it shows immediately when i.e. a plug does not fir=
e or a valve is sticking etc.</div><div>The EGT reading of no 4 cylinder is=
 mostly 5% higher than the rest : I thought this is because of the distance=
 and positioning of the probe, but of course it can be the consequence of a=
 leaner mixture in no 4. But the distance does matter : when you have exper=
ience with an oxy/acetyleen welder, you know that the distance to the part =
you are working at is all important : the T=C2=B0 is lowering very fast wit=
h the distance. I think the same goes for the EGT probe in the exhaust flam=
e. With 2 carburettors and 2 EGT probes, I would use cylinder no 2 and 3 be=
cause these exhaust primaries have the same shape and you get 1 probe for e=
ach carburettor. But then no 1 and 4 is a more convenient installation...</=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As far as AFR gauges vs EGT they both=
 have their place in/on a race engine. AFR will get you and average of all =
the cylinders at any given moment. The down side
 in a 4 banger is the outer cylinders #1 and #4 are always a little leaner =
than #2 and #3 due to the nature of the design of the engine and intake. &n=
bsp;If used correctly, and if you get the right design and quality of probe=
s, the reading can be almost instantaneous.
 Use a good quality exposed tip probe and they reaction time is as fast as =
an tachometer which we all use to gauge RPM=E2=80=99s so that is pretty fas=
t. If you buy a sealed Inconel probe the reaction is slower, but still good=
 enough for most people. &nbsp;I use both on
 all cars as a failsafe. The EGT give me the info on the outer cylinders wh=
ich are the one most commonly damaged by being too lean. The AFR tell me th=
at overall I am OK. &nbsp;I buy an EGT thru Auber Instruments. You can get =
a 2=E2=80=9Dx2=E2=80=9D digital that reads in red for
 one cylinder and green for the other. They have the quick response exposed=
 tip Type K thermocouples and the whole deal is 160.00 or so. &nbsp;The bes=
t part is the digital gauge has recall of the highest reading and it also h=
as a warning light that comes on by whatever
 temp you select and set it al. Helps to keep you aware of what is going on=
 thru visual info vs watching the gauge all the time. You can even hook up =
a buzzer if you want.&nbsp; They also have single gauges for one probe, but=
 the cost of two is higher and you got
 to install two for power and ground and such so why would you. &nbsp;One o=
f my cars has two Auto meter EGT=E2=80=99s gauges, while fine and the quali=
ty is first rate I have to be the monitor to see what is happening as it ha=
ppens. Sometimes at the end of a straight you
 can be quite busy and don=E2=80=99t have time to see two EGT=E2=80=99s gau=
ges. If I hasn=E2=80=99t made up such a nice engine turned aluminum dash I =
would swap them out, but alas I am stuck with two 2=E2=80=9D holes if I do.=
 &nbsp;&nbsp;As an aside the O2 sensor of a typical AFR will read inaccurat=
ely
 in our cars too if you run leaded race fuel. Over time the readings will c=
hanged based on how much leaded fuel it has been exposed to.. The lead gets=
 on/in the sensor and fouls it, so you got to replace them when that happen=
s. For most of us that=E2=80=99s a long
 time but you got to know it anyway. </span></p>
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