Subject: Re: [Fot] Fire Bottle Refill - the verdict

From: Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:48:11 -0400

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I ended up taking my Halon bottle to a local place that services fire =
extinguishers, including Halon.  Old school guy, looked at the bottle, =
hefted it, listened to the liquid sloshing around and said =E2=80=9Cthis =
is fine=E2=80=9D.  He went on to say that if there was a leak the halon =
would have been gone a long time ago, that these gauges are almost =
always accurate, and that servicing would cost a few hundred bucks, =
mainly because in the process he would lose a 1/4 to a 1/2 lb of Halon =
that he would have to refill.  So, it went back in the car.

I also learned that if you have those ABC fire extinguishers around the =
house or in your shop, if they have a metal top and valve, they can be =
serviced, but the ones with the black plastic valve assemblies are =
disposable.  At ten years old or more, it=E2=80=99s time to replace all =
of mine.  He said the thing to do before disposing is tap the valve - =
some of the fire suppressant material will end up in the valve seat and =
allow the pressure to bleed out, and that way I=E2=80=99m not tossing a =
pressurized container in the trash that will end up exploding in the =
trash truck compactor.

Scott

On Mar 9, 2019, at 5:42 PM, John Frymark MacBook <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Scott,

I sent a Fire Bottle in 2013 to a company in Ft Myers, FL to recharge a =
=E2=80=9Cshort=E2=80=9D 5 lb canister that is no longer offered by the =
company. I liked the placement of that unit in my car and didn=E2=80=99t =
want to have to reconfigure for a different size. They had me ship to =
them as =E2=80=9Chazardous materials=E2=80=9D via UPS and shipped back =
the same way. Not much over $200 total. Interestingly, they said my 1996 =
era bottle was still almost fully charged when they checked and =
refilled. I weigh my bottle every year to make certain there hasn=E2=80=99=
t been a change in the weight/charge.

Here is the web site: www.firebottleracing.com =
<http://www.firebottleracing.com/>. I suspect not many are certified to =
deal with Halon refilling.

John Frymark

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
ended up taking my Halon bottle to a local place that services fire =
extinguishers, including Halon. &nbsp;Old school guy, looked at the =
bottle, hefted it, listened to the liquid sloshing around and said =
=E2=80=9Cthis is fine=E2=80=9D. &nbsp;He went on to say that if there =
was a leak the halon would have been gone a long time ago, that these =
gauges are almost always accurate, and that servicing would cost a few =
hundred bucks, mainly because in the process he would lose a 1/4 to a =
1/2 lb of Halon that he would have to refill. &nbsp;So, it went back in =
the car.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I also =
learned that if you have those ABC fire extinguishers around the house =
or in your shop, if they have a metal top and valve, they can be =
serviced, but the ones with the black plastic valve assemblies are =
disposable. &nbsp;At ten years old or more, it=E2=80=99s time to replace =
all of mine. &nbsp;He said the thing to do before disposing is tap the =
valve - some of the fire suppressant material will end up in the valve =
seat and allow the pressure to bleed out, and that way I=E2=80=99m not =
tossing a pressurized container in the trash that will end up exploding =
in the trash truck compactor.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Scott<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 9, 2019, at 5:42 PM, John Frymark =
MacBook &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Scott,<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I sent a Fire Bottle in =
2013 to a company in Ft Myers, FL to recharge a =E2=80=9Cshort=E2=80=9D =
5 lb canister that is no longer offered by the company. I liked the =
placement of that unit in my car and didn=E2=80=99t want to have to =
reconfigure for a different size. They had me ship to them as =
=E2=80=9Chazardous materials=E2=80=9D via UPS and shipped back the same =
way. Not much over $200 total. Interestingly, they said my 1996 era =
bottle was still almost fully charged when they checked and refilled. I =
weigh my bottle every year to make certain there hasn=E2=80=99t been a =
change in the weight/charge.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Here is the web site: <a =
href=3D"http://www.firebottleracing.com/" =
class=3D"">www.firebottleracing.com</a>. I suspect not many are =
certified to deal with Halon refilling.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">John Frymark</div></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></body></html>=

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From: robert bownes via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 17:17:44 -0400

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I use the expired non re-usable powder extinguishers to teach my teacher
wife's schoolkids how to use them. Always a big hit on fire safety day. :)

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:13 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I ended up taking my Halon bottle to a local place that services fire
> extinguishers, including Halon.  Old school guy, looked at the bottle,
is fine=E2=80=9D.
> He went on to say that if there was a leak the halon would have been gone=
 a
> long time ago, that these gauges are almost always accurate, and that
> servicing would cost a few hundred bucks, mainly because in the process h=
e
> would lose a 1/4 to a 1/2 lb of Halon that he would have to refill.  So, =
it
> went back in the car.
>
> I also learned that if you have those ABC fire extinguishers around the
> house or in your shop, if they have a metal top and valve, they can be
> serviced, but the ones with the black plastic valve assemblies are
> disposable.  At ten years old or more, it=E2=80=99s time to replace all o=
f mine.
> He said the thing to do before disposing is tap the valve - some of the
> fire suppressant material will end up in the valve seat and allow the
> pressure to bleed out, and that way I=E2=80=99m not tossing a pressurized=
 container
> in the trash that will end up exploding in the trash truck compactor.
>
> Scott
>
> On Mar 9, 2019, at 5:42 PM, John Frymark MacBook <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>
> Scott,
>
> I sent a Fire Bottle in 2013 to a company in Ft Myers, FL to recharge a
> =E2=80=9Cshort=E2=80=9D 5 lb canister that is no longer offered by the co=
mpany. I liked the
> placement of that unit in my car and didn=E2=80=99t want to have to recon=
figure for
> a different size. They had me ship to them as =E2=80=9Chazardous material=
s=E2=80=9D via UPS
> and shipped back the same way. Not much over $200 total. Interestingly,
> they said my 1996 era bottle was still almost fully charged when they
> checked and refilled. I weigh my bottle every year to make certain there
> hasn=E2=80=99t been a change in the weight/charge.
>
> Here is the web site: www.firebottleracing.com. I suspect not many are
> certified to deal with Halon refilling.
>
> John Frymark
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>I use the expired non re-usable powder=
 extinguishers to teach my teacher wife&#39;s schoolkids how to use them. A=
lways a big hit on fire safety day. :)<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:1=
3 PM Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fot@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">I ended up taking my H=
alon bottle to a local place that services fire extinguishers, including Ha=
lon.=C2=A0 Old school guy, looked at the bottle, hefted it, listened to the=
 liquid sloshing around and said =E2=80=9Cthis is fine=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 He w=
ent on to say that if there was a leak the halon would have been gone a lon=
g time ago, that these gauges are almost always accurate, and that servicin=
g would cost a few hundred bucks, mainly because in the process he would lo=
se a 1/4 to a 1/2 lb of Halon that he would have to refill.=C2=A0 So, it we=
nt back in the car.<div><br></div><div>I also learned that if you have thos=
e ABC fire extinguishers around the house or in your shop, if they have a m=
etal top and valve, they can be serviced, but the ones with the black plast=
ic valve assemblies are disposable.=C2=A0 At ten years old or more, it=E2=
=80=99s time to replace all of mine.=C2=A0 He said the thing to do before d=
isposing is tap the valve - some of the fire suppressant material will end =
up in the valve seat and allow the pressure to bleed out, and that way I=E2=
=80=99m not tossing a pressurized container in the trash that will end up e=
xploding in the trash truck compactor.</div><div><br></div><div>Scott<br><d=
iv><br><div>On Mar 9, 2019, at 5:42 PM, John Frymark MacBook &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
</div><br class=3D"gmail-m_1007348140298033965Apple-interchange-newline"><d=
iv><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">Scott,<div><br></div><div>I se=
nt a Fire Bottle in 2013 to a company in Ft Myers, FL to recharge a =E2=80=
=9Cshort=E2=80=9D 5 lb canister that is no longer offered by the company. I=
 liked the placement of that unit in my car and didn=E2=80=99t want to have=
 to reconfigure for a different size. They had me ship to them as =E2=80=9C=
hazardous materials=E2=80=9D via UPS and shipped back the same way. Not muc=
h over $200 total. Interestingly, they said my 1996 era bottle was still al=
most fully charged when they checked and refilled. I weigh my bottle every =
year to make certain there hasn=E2=80=99t been a change in the weight/charg=
e.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is the web site: <a href=3D"http://www.fir=
ebottleracing.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.firebottleracing.com</a>. I suspe=
ct not many are certified to deal with Halon refilling.</div><div><br></div=
><div>John Frymark</div></div></div></div><br></div></div>_________________=
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From: Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 21:41:54 +0000 (UTC)

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 Hi,
As an aside - the dry chemical home units with the plastic tops mostly use =
non-ferrous metal for the vessel. You can depressurize the extinguisher and=
 then unscrew the operating valve and empty the dry chemical into a bag (do=
 this outside, it is MESSY). You can then toss the empty metal cylinder int=
o your non-ferrous metal recycling pile for when the price of scrap goes up=
. ;-)
When I sold my house a few years back, I had 6 or more extinguishers that w=
ere 10+ years old and the gauges said "empty". Turns out that means "no pre=
ssure" so they would have been useless had they been needed for a real fire=
.
c ya,Bob Lang

    On Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 4:53:08 PM EDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 I ended up taking my Halon bottle to a local place that services fire exti=
nguishers, including Halon. =C2=A0Old school guy, looked at the bottle, hef=
ted it, listened to the liquid sloshing around and said =E2=80=9Cthis is fi=
ne=E2=80=9D. =C2=A0He went on to say that if there was a leak the halon wou=
ld have been gone a long time ago, that these gauges are almost always accu=
rate, and that servicing would cost a few hundred bucks, mainly because in =
the process he would lose a 1/4 to a 1/2 lb of Halon that he would have to =
refill. =C2=A0So, it went back in the car.
I also learned that if you have those ABC fire extinguishers around the hou=
se or in your shop, if they have a metal top and valve, they can be service=
d, but the ones with the black plastic valve assemblies are disposable. =C2=
=A0At ten years old or more, it=E2=80=99s time to replace all of mine. =C2=
=A0He said the thing to do before disposing is tap the valve - some of the =
fire suppressant material will end up in the valve seat and allow the press=
ure to bleed out, and that way I=E2=80=99m not tossing a pressurized contai=
ner in the trash that will end up exploding in the trash truck compactor.
Scott

On Mar 9, 2019, at 5:42 PM, John Frymark MacBook <[email-masked]> wrote:
Scott,
I sent a Fire Bottle in 2013 to a company in Ft Myers, FL to recharge a =E2=
=80=9Cshort=E2=80=9D 5 lb canister that is no longer offered by the company=
. I liked the placement of that unit in my car and didn=E2=80=99t want to h=
ave to reconfigure for a different size. They had me ship to them as =E2=80=
=9Chazardous materials=E2=80=9D via UPS and shipped back the same way. Not =
much over $200 total. Interestingly, they said my 1996 era bottle was still=
 almost fully charged when they checked and refilled. I weigh my bottle eve=
ry year to make certain there hasn=E2=80=99t been a change in the weight/ch=
arge.
Here is the web site: www.firebottleracing.com. I suspect not many are cert=
ified to deal with Halon refilling.
John Frymark
_______________________________________________
[email-masked]

@yahoo.com

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;"><div></div>
        <div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>As an aside - the dry chemical ho=
me units with the plastic tops mostly use non-ferrous metal for the vessel.=
 You can depressurize the extinguisher and then unscrew the operating valve=
 and empty the dry chemical into a bag (do this outside, it is MESSY). You =
can then toss the empty metal cylinder into your non-ferrous metal recyclin=
g pile for when the price of scrap goes up. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Wh=
en I sold my house a few years back, I had 6 or more extinguishers that wer=
e 10+ years old and the gauges said "empty". Turns out that means "no press=
ure" so they would have been useless had they been needed for a real fire.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>c ya,</div><div>Bob Lang<br></div><div><br></div>
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                <div>
                    On Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 4:53:08 PM EDT, Scott Janze=
n via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"yiv3475634390"><div>I ended up taking my Ha=
lon bottle to a local place that services fire extinguishers, including Hal=
on. &nbsp;Old school guy, looked at the bottle, hefted it, listened to the =
liquid sloshing around and said =E2=80=9Cthis is fine=E2=80=9D. &nbsp;He we=
nt on to say that if there was a leak the halon would have been gone a long=
 time ago, that these gauges are almost always accurate, and that servicing=
 would cost a few hundred bucks, mainly because in the process he would los=
e a 1/4 to a 1/2 lb of Halon that he would have to refill. &nbsp;So, it wen=
t back in the car.<div class=3D"yiv3475634390"><br class=3D"yiv3475634390" =
clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv3475634390">I also learned that if yo=
u have those ABC fire extinguishers around the house or in your shop, if th=
ey have a metal top and valve, they can be serviced, but the ones with the =
black plastic valve assemblies are disposable. &nbsp;At ten years old or mo=
re, it=E2=80=99s time to replace all of mine. &nbsp;He said the thing to do=
 before disposing is tap the valve - some of the fire suppressant material =
will end up in the valve seat and allow the pressure to bleed out, and that=
 way I=E2=80=99m not tossing a pressurized container in the trash that will=
 end up exploding in the trash truck compactor.</div><div class=3D"yiv34756=
34390"><br class=3D"yiv3475634390" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv34=
75634390">Scott<br class=3D"yiv3475634390" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv=
3475634390yqt8652617869" id=3D"yiv3475634390yqt11223"><div><br class=3D"yiv=
3475634390" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv3475634390">On Mar 9, 2019, at =
5:42 PM, John Frymark MacBook &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=
=3D"yiv3475634390" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br cla=
ss=3D"yiv3475634390Apple-interchange-newline" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"=
yiv3475634390"></div></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv3475634390yqt=
8652617869" id=3D"yiv3475634390yqt78876"><div><div class=3D"yiv3475634390" =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">Scott,<div class=3D"yiv3475634390"><br clas=
s=3D"yiv3475634390" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv3475634390">I sen=
t a Fire Bottle in 2013 to a company in Ft Myers, FL to recharge a =E2=80=
=9Cshort=E2=80=9D 5 lb canister that is no longer offered by the company. I=
 liked the placement of that unit in my car and didn=E2=80=99t want to have=
 to reconfigure for a different size. They had me ship to them as =E2=80=9C=
hazardous materials=E2=80=9D via UPS and shipped back the same way. Not muc=
h over $200 total. Interestingly, they said my 1996 era bottle was still al=
most fully charged when they checked and refilled. I weigh my bottle every =
year to make certain there hasn=E2=80=99t been a change in the weight/charg=
e.</div><div class=3D"yiv3475634390"><br class=3D"yiv3475634390" clear=3D"n=
one"></div><div class=3D"yiv3475634390">Here is the web site: <a rel=3D"nof=
ollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv3475634390" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"htt=
p://www.firebottleracing.com/">www.firebottleracing.com</a>. I suspect not =
many are certified to deal with Halon refilling.</div><div class=3D"yiv3475=
634390"><br class=3D"yiv3475634390" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv3=
475634390">John Frymark</div></div><br class=3D"yiv3475634390" clear=3D"non=
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