Subject: [Fot] so I have these 2 cars...

From: Nick Black via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:38:13 +0000 (UTC)

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These 2 cars have been sittin in the back of the shop long enuf. One is a s=
olid TR3A and the other a late TR4A in lesser condition. So I'm thinkin tha=
t a frame off needs to be done on the 3 and as it sits next to the 4A, I go=
t to thinkin (always trouble). The 3 was to be a replacement for a really w=
orn out TR3 racer and I started transforming the car to race specs. Gee tha=
t was about 30 years ago! Somehow I got sidetracked and raced other cars, a=
nd the 3 just collected dust.=C2=A0So...how bout an irs TR3? I've got flair=
ed fenders from the old racer, so the wider frame won't be an issue...BUT, =
has anyone else done this? What sort of issues are in store here? This won'=
t be a racer, but rather a hotrod street car, so anything goes.
Thoughts?
ever the dreamer here in norcal...Nick
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the shop long enuf. One is a solid TR3A and the other a late TR4A in lesser=
 condition. So I'm thinkin that a frame off needs to be done on the 3 and a=
s it sits next to the 4A, I got to thinkin (always trouble). The 3 was to b=
e a replacement for a really worn out TR3 racer and I started transforming =
the car to race specs. Gee that was about 30 years ago! Somehow I got sidet=
racked and raced other cars, and the 3 just collected dust.&nbsp;</div><div=
>So...how bout an irs TR3? I've got flaired fenders from the old racer, so =
the wider frame won't be an issue...BUT, has anyone else done this? What so=
rt of issues are in store here? This won't be a racer, but rather a hotrod =
street car, so anything goes.</div><div><br></div><div>Thoughts?</div><div>=
<br></div><div>ever the dreamer here in norcal...</div><div>Nick</div><div =
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From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 21:40:15 +0000 (UTC)

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 Back in the early 80's, I built a TR-3 race car on a TR-4A frame.=C2=A0 IR=
S was not legal on a TR-3 in SCCA at that time, but I planned to use coil o=
vers in the rear, so that wasn't an issue.=C2=A0 I remember I had to narrow=
 the frame by cutting off about 4" at the "corners" where it sticks out jus=
t before the section where the trailing arms would attach on an IRS car.=C2=
=A0 I welded a plate over the hole in the frame left where I had cut it off=
.=C2=A0 Ironically, the widest part of the TR-4A frame occurred at the narr=
owest part of the TR-3 body.=C2=A0 Otherwise, everything else worked fine.=
=C2=A0 I used wide fiberglass fenders, which I got from John Holsonback.=C2=
=A0 His car popped up recently by someone on the FOT list.=C2=A0 It was a r=
ed TR-3 from Wichita, KS.=C2=A0 I sold the car the following year and went =
back to my trusty TR-4, which was a better handling car.=C2=A0 My lap times=
 with the TR-3 at Atlanta were about a second slower than my TR-4 the year =
before, with the same drive train.=C2=A0 I attributed the difference to han=
dling.
Jack

    On Sunday, March 10, 2019, 5:26:20 PM EDT, Nick Black via Fot <fot@auto=
x.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 These 2 cars have been sittin in the back of the shop long enuf. One is a =
solid TR3A and the other a late TR4A in lesser condition. So I'm thinkin th=
at a frame off needs to be done on the 3 and as it sits next to the 4A, I g=
ot to thinkin (always trouble). The 3 was to be a replacement for a really =
worn out TR3 racer and I started transforming the car to race specs. Gee th=
at was about 30 years ago! Somehow I got sidetracked and raced other cars, =
and the 3 just collected dust.=C2=A0So...how bout an irs TR3? I've got flai=
red fenders from the old racer, so the wider frame won't be an issue...BUT,=
 has anyone else done this? What sort of issues are in store here? This won=
't be a racer, but rather a hotrod street car, so anything goes.
Thoughts?
ever the dreamer here in norcal...Nick_____________________________________=
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        <div>Back in the early 80's, I built a TR-3 race car on a TR-4A fra=
me.&nbsp; IRS was not legal on a TR-3 in SCCA at that time, but I planned t=
o use coil overs in the rear, so that wasn't an issue.&nbsp; I remember I h=
ad to narrow the frame by cutting off about 4" at the "corners" where it st=
icks out just before the section where the trailing arms would attach on an=
 IRS car.&nbsp; I welded a plate over the hole in the frame left where I ha=
d cut it off.&nbsp; Ironically, the widest part of the TR-4A frame occurred=
 at the narrowest part of the TR-3 body.&nbsp; Otherwise, everything else w=
orked fine.&nbsp; I used wide fiberglass fenders, which I got from John Hol=
sonback.&nbsp; His car popped up recently by someone on the FOT list.&nbsp;=
 It was a red TR-3 from Wichita, KS.&nbsp; I sold the car the following yea=
r and went back to my trusty TR-4, which was a better handling car.&nbsp; M=
y lap times with the TR-3 at Atlanta were about a second slower than my TR-=
4 the year before, with the same drive train.&nbsp; I attributed the differ=
ence to handling.</div><div><br></div><div>Jack<br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Sunday, March 10, 2019, 5:26:20 PM EDT, Nick Black v=
ia Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp51e7a24ayiv5610408560"><div><div>These 2=
 cars have been sittin in the back of the shop long enuf. One is a solid TR=
3A and the other a late TR4A in lesser condition. So I'm thinkin that a fra=
me off needs to be done on the 3 and as it sits next to the 4A, I got to th=
inkin (always trouble). The 3 was to be a replacement for a really worn out=
 TR3 racer and I started transforming the car to race specs. Gee that was a=
bout 30 years ago! Somehow I got sidetracked and raced other cars, and the =
3 just collected dust.&nbsp;</div><div>So...how bout an irs TR3? I've got f=
laired fenders from the old racer, so the wider frame won't be an issue...B=
UT, has anyone else done this? What sort of issues are in store here? This =
won't be a racer, but rather a hotrod street car, so anything goes.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Thoughts?</div><div><br></div><div>ever the dreamer here =
in norcal...</div><div>Nick</div><div class=3D"ydp51e7a24ayiv5610408560ydpd=
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From: Harvey Kinnard via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 16:58:10 -0500

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Thoughts? What a demented thought process. Sounds like a lot of trouble. I a=
m totally in favor, of course, 100% morally supportive, and have no expertis=
e or advice.=20
Can=E2=80=99t wait to see it.=20
HK

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> On Mar 10, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
> These 2 cars have been sittin in the back of the shop long enuf. One is a s=
olid TR3A and the other a late TR4A in lesser condition. So I'm thinkin that=
 a frame off needs to be done on the 3 and as it sits next to the 4A, I got t=
o thinkin (always trouble). The 3 was to be a replacement for a really worn o=
ut TR3 racer and I started transforming the car to race specs. Gee that was a=
bout 30 years ago! Somehow I got sidetracked and raced other cars, and the 3=
 just collected dust.=20
> So...how bout an irs TR3? I've got flaired fenders from the old racer, so t=
he wider frame won't be an issue...BUT, has anyone else done this? What sort=
 of issues are in store here? This won't be a racer, but rather a hotrod str=
eet car, so anything goes.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thoughts? What a demented thought process. S=
ounds like a lot of trouble. I am totally in favor, of course, 100% morally s=
upportive, and have no expertise or advice.&nbsp;<div>Can=E2=80=99t wait to s=
ee it.&nbsp;</div><div>HK<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">=
Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Mar 10, 2019, at 2:38 PM, N=
ick Black via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv>These 2 cars have been sittin in the back of the shop long enuf. One is a=
 solid TR3A and the other a late TR4A in lesser condition. So I'm thinkin th=
at a frame off needs to be done on the 3 and as it sits next to the 4A, I go=
t to thinkin (always trouble). The 3 was to be a replacement for a really wo=
rn out TR3 racer and I started transforming the car to race specs. Gee that w=
as about 30 years ago! Somehow I got sidetracked and raced other cars, and t=
he 3 just collected dust.&nbsp;</div><div>So...how bout an irs TR3? I've got=
 flaired fenders from the old racer, so the wider frame won't be an issue...=
BUT, has anyone else done this? What sort of issues are in store here? This w=
on't be a racer, but rather a hotrod street car, so anything goes.</div><div=
><br></div><div>Thoughts?</div><div><br></div><div>ever the dreamer here in n=
orcal...</div><div>Nick</div><div class=3D"ydpd6fad40yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13=
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From: John Styduhar via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 18:04:08 -0400

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The TR3 body is too narrow in the rear haunches for the IRS frame.  You'll
have to cut the thing in half longways and add several inches.

On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 5:35 PM Nick Black via Fot <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> These 2 cars have been sittin in the back of the shop long enuf. One is a
> solid TR3A and the other a late TR4A in lesser condition. So I'm thinkin
> that a frame off needs to be done on the 3 and as it sits next to the 4A, I
> got to thinkin (always trouble). The 3 was to be a replacement for a really
> worn out TR3 racer and I started transforming the car to race specs. Gee
> that was about 30 years ago! Somehow I got sidetracked and raced other
> cars, and the 3 just collected dust.
> So...how bout an irs TR3? I've got flaired fenders from the old racer, so
> the wider frame won't be an issue...BUT, has anyone else done this? What
> sort of issues are in store here? This won't be a racer, but rather a
> hotrod street car, so anything goes.
>
> Thoughts?
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">The=
 TR3 body is too narrow in the rear haunches for the IRS frame.=C2=A0 You&#=
39;ll have to cut the thing in half longways and add several inches.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 5:35 PM Nick Black via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>These 2 cars have been sitt=
in in the back of the shop long enuf. One is a solid TR3A and the other a l=
ate TR4A in lesser condition. So I&#39;m thinkin that a frame off needs to =
be done on the 3 and as it sits next to the 4A, I got to thinkin (always tr=
ouble). The 3 was to be a replacement for a really worn out TR3 racer and I=
 started transforming the car to race specs. Gee that was about 30 years ag=
o! Somehow I got sidetracked and raced other cars, and the 3 just collected=
 dust.=C2=A0</div><div>So...how bout an irs TR3? I&#39;ve got flaired fende=
rs from the old racer, so the wider frame won&#39;t be an issue...BUT, has =
anyone else done this? What sort of issues are in store here? This won&#39;=
t be a racer, but rather a hotrod street car, so anything goes.</div><div><=
br></div><div>Thoughts?</div><div><br></div><div>ever the dreamer here in n=
orcal...</div><div>Nick</div><div class=3D"gmail-m_-7585103247167263301ydpd=
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From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 18:22:50 -0600

The first VTR convention I attended was in Boulder, COlorado in 1990.  
There was a fellow there that had a white TR3 that was built on a TR6 
frame.  I don't remember much about the car or the owner, John ??? I 
think.  What I do remember is he took FTD in the autocross.  And the 
reason he managed that is that he knew nothing about autocrossing.  The 
course was laid out on the racetrack at Mead.  To slow cars down on the 
long back straight there was a slalom.  It was an optional slalom which 
means you can start to the left or right of the first cone.  This fellow 
thought optional mean you could either zig zag through the cones or 
blast straight on by them all.  And of course none of the workers knew 
they were supposed to call him off course for his runs.

That, among other things, was why the Autocross Advisory Board was 
formed, and the VTR autocross rules were instituted.

mjb.

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