Subject: Re: [Fot] Random Question of the Day

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:46:36 -0500

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Isn't it mostly because the ports can be layed out so much straighter and s=
moother?

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From: Barr, Scott <[email-masked]>
To: FOT list <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2015 12:38 pm
Subject: [Fot] Random Question of the Day

So, why is a cross-flow head supposed to make more power than a head with i=
ntake and exhaust on the same side?   You=E2=80=99d think that once the cha=
rge got sucked in, squeezed, ignited and blown back out, it wouldn=E2=80=99=
t have any clear idea of which side of the head it had come in on in the fi=
rst place.
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What gives?
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<font color=3D'black' size=3D'2' face=3D'arial'>Isn't it mostly because the=
 ports can be layed out so much straighter and smoother?
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From: Barr, Scott &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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<div class=3D"MsoNormal">So, why is a cross-flow head supposed to make more=
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 blown back out, it wouldn=E2=80=99t have any clear idea of which
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<div class=3D"MsoNormal">What gives?</div>

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 17:36:51 -0500

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Much of it is about valve angles and combustion chamber shape, both of =
which can be far better optimised in a cross flow configuration.   Also =
you don't have your intake sitting on top of your exhaust manifold =
getting baked.   Lower fuel temps equal more BHP.

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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 3:35 PM

So, why is a cross-flow head supposed to make more power than a head =
with intake and exhaust on the same side?   You'd think that once the =
charge got sucked in, squeezed, ignited and blown back out, it wouldn't =
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From: Kas Kastner <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:13:48 -0800

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You have the liberty to use the entire side face of the head for port size
and angle in addition to the cooler inlet mixture.

*Never be beaten by equipment.*

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Terry Stetler <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Much of it is about valve angles and combustion chamber shape, both of
> which can be far better optimised in a cross flow configuration.   Also y=
ou
> don't have your intake sitting on top of your exhaust manifold getting
> baked.   Lower fuel temps equal more BHP.
>
>
> Terry Stetler
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Barr, Scott <[email-masked]>
> *To:* FOT list <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 3:35 PM
> *Subject:* [Fot] Random Question of the Day
>
> So, why is a cross-flow head supposed to make more power than a head with
> intake and exhaust on the same side?   You=E2=80=99d think that once the =
charge got
> sucked in, squeezed, ignited and blown back out, it wouldn=E2=80=99t have=
 any clear
> idea of which side of the head it had come in on in the first place.
>
>
>
> What gives?
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">You have the liberty to use the entire side face of the he=
ad for=C2=A0port size and angle in addition to the cooler inlet mixture.</d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_si=
gnature"><p><strong><font color=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by equipment.</=
font></strong></p></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Terry Stetl=
er <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
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which can be far better optimised in a cross flow configuration.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=20
Also you don&#39;t have your intake sitting on top of your exhaust manifold=
 getting=20
baked.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Lower fuel temps equal more BHP.</div>
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  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">So, why is a cross-flow head supposed to make more=
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  than a head with intake and exhaust on the same side?=C2=A0=C2=A0 You=E2=
=80=99d think=20
  that once the charge got sucked in, squeezed, ignited and blown back out,=
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From: Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 21:31:41 -0500

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Building a cross-flow spitfire?

Sent from my mobile device=20

On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Barr, Scott <[email-masked]> wrote:

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Thanks, everyone!  Lots of good responses here and it appears you all agree w=
ith Kas, so you must be correct.
=20
Scott B.
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From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 5:14 PM
To: Terry Stetler <[email-masked]>
Cc: FOT list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Random Question of the Day
=20
You have the liberty to use the entire side face of the head for port size a=
nd angle in addition to the cooler inlet mixture.

Never be beaten by equipment.

=20
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Terry Stetler <[email-masked]> wrote:
Much of it is about valve angles and combustion chamber shape, both of which=
 can be far better optimised in a cross flow configuration.   Also you don't=
 have your intake sitting on top of your exhaust manifold getting baked.   L=
ower fuel temps equal more BHP.
=20
=20
Terry Stetler
----- Original Message -----
From: Barr, Scott
To: FOT list
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 3:35 PM
Subject: [Fot] Random Question of the Day
=20
So, why is a cross-flow head supposed to make more power than a head with in=
take and exhaust on the same side?   You=E2=80=99d think that once the charg=
e got sucked in, squeezed, ignited and blown back out, it wouldn=E2=80=99t h=
ave any clear idea of which side of the head it had come in on in the first p=
lace.
=20
What gives?
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>Sent from my mobile device&nbsp;</div><div><br>On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:20 PM,=
 Barr, Scott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sbarr@McCarty-Law.=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks, everyone!&nbsp; Lots of good re=
sponses here and it appears you all agree with Kas, so you must be correct.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Scott B.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounce=
[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kas Kastner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 14, 2015 5:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Terry Stetler &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tlizzard@ms=
n.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> FOT list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Random Question of the Day<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You have the liberty to use the entire side face of t=
he head for&nbsp;port size and angle in addition to the cooler inlet mixture=
.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><strong><span style=3D"color:#000099">Never be beaten by equipment.</span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Terry Stetler &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ver=
dana&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Much of it is about valve angles and comb=
ustion chamber shape, both of which can be far better optimised in a cross f=
low configuration.&nbsp;&nbsp; Also you don't have your
 intake sitting on top of your exhaust manifold getting baked.&nbsp;&nbsp; L=
ower fuel temps equal more BHP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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al&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">----- Original Message -----
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<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"mailto:s=
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Barr, Scott</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"mailto:fot@=
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FOT list</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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t:auto"><span style=3D"color:black">So, why is a cross-flow head supposed to=
 make more power than a head with intake and exhaust on the same side?&nbsp;=
&nbsp; You=E2=80=99d think that once the charge got sucked
 in, squeezed, ignited and blown back out, it wouldn=E2=80=99t have any clea=
r idea of which side of the head it had come in on in the first place.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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