Subject: [Fot] TR Front End Lower Arm Use

From: STEPHEN BOROWSKI <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:20:03 +0000 (UTC)

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Hello All,Does anyone have experience with turning their lower A-arms upsid=
e down to gain a possible advantage in lowering the frame?All comments welc=
ome!=C2=A0Thxs. SteveFlorida TR4 Racing=C2=A0
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From: "Charly Mitchel" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 15:02:15 -0800 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0

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Steve, I have a TR6 and I flipped mine and it lowered the car nearly an =
inch. Before, I had spacers between the a arms and the spring pan, I was =
able to remove the spacers and it seemed about the same height as before =
and less unsprung weight. Easy to do,=20
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
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  Subject: [Fot] TR Front End Lower Arm Use

  Hello All,
  Does anyone have experience with turning their lower A-arms upside =
down to gain a possible advantage in lowering the frame?
  All comments welcome!

  Thxs. Steve
  Florida TR4 Racing

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From: John Hasty <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 23:01:07 +0000

Sure, doesn't everyone?

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Hello All,
Does anyone have experience with turning their lower A-arms upside down to gain a possible advantage in lowering the frame?
All comments welcome!

Thxs. Steve
Florida TR4 Racing

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:17:09 -0500

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Yup, did it on my TR4 (per Kas' book), which lowered the frame 0.5 inches.  O=
n each side just swap the arms, no need to go side to side.  Also drill the i=
nnermost hole and use a 3/8" bolt, it'll make installing the spring pan a lo=
t easier

jim

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Yup, did it on my TR4 (per Kas' book),=
 which lowered the frame 0.5 inches. &nbsp;On each side just swap the arms, n=
o need to go side to side. &nbsp;Also drill the innermost hole and use a 3/8=
" bolt, it'll make installing the spring pan a lot easier</div><div id=3D"Ap=
pleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">jim<br><br>Fat-th=
umbed from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:20 PM, STEPHEN BORO=
WSKI &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color:#00=
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711">Does anyone have experience with turning their lower A-arms upside down=
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From: Todd Redmond <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:53:00 -0500

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Agree.  Did it on the TR3. Drill out the holes for bolts. Makes it much easier.  

Thanks
Todd Redmond

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> Yup, did it on my TR4 (per Kas' book), which lowered the frame 0.5 inches.  On each side just swap the arms, no need to go side to side.  Also drill the innermost hole and use a 3/8" bolt, it'll make installing the spring pan a lot easier
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" bolt, it'll make installing the spring pan a lot easier</div><div id=3D"Ap=
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From: Tony Drews <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:57:15 -0600

Here's a little detail on that from my front suspension swap page:

The inner stud hole may need to be tapped all the way through to 
allow you to move the stud from the top to the bottom of the wishbone 
when it's flipped upside down.  If you flip the lower wishbones for 
the lower ride height, you want to make sure the inner spring pan 
studs don't stick out too far or you'll have trouble getting the nut 
on them.  1/2 to 3/4 of an inch of stud protrusion is all you 
need.  Use medium strength threadlocker on the studs so they don't 
screw out the next time you disassemble the suspension.

http://www.tonydrews.com/Front_Suspension/tr4_front_suspension_upgrade.htm

Cheers, Tony

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And don't forget to adjust the bump steer

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 20:46:42 +0000 (UTC)

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Well Steve, 
It looks like you have all the reasons you need to move forward with this suspension mod. 
I haven't made this change, but flipping the arms would lower the car and I think help avoid bottoming the shock travel too. 
Put a zip tie on the shock shaft and check clearance without the spring in place before the final assembly. 
This step was suggested to me by Tony G. and I'm glad that I checked. I spaced the lower shock mount to gain a little shock travel as I was very close to end of the travel. 

Dave H. 

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00"><div>Well Steve,<br></div><div>It looks like you have all the reasons y=
ou need to move forward with this suspension mod. &nbsp;</div><div>I haven'=
t made this change, but flipping the arms would lower the car and I think h=
elp avoid bottoming the shock travel too.</div><div>Put a zip tie on the sh=
ock shaft and check clearance without the spring in place before the final =
assembly.</div><div>This step was suggested to me by Tony G. and I'm glad t=
hat I checked. &nbsp;I spaced the lower shock mount to gain a little shock =
travel as I was very close to end of the travel.</div><div><br></div><div>D=
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[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"FOT List" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><=
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TR Front End Lower Arm Use<br><div><br></div><div style=3D"color:#000; back=
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306098114_2698">Hello All,</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448306098114_2711"=
>Does anyone have experience with turning their lower A-arms upside down to=
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