Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 starter issue

From: Jack Brooks via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:56:46 -0700

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Amici,

I am finally looking to install a gear reduction starter in my (post 60K)
Street/Auto-X  TR3A.  I believe I need the long later starter, as that is
what is in the car, but I have some function issues which I do not
understand.  My configuration is as follows:

Block:  TR4

Tranny: TR3, non-syncro OD.  The small starter bulge on the tranny has been
modified/extended to accommodate the longer starter.  The hole is covered to
keep dirt and moisture out.

Flywheel: TR4A-6 style, with bolt on ring gear, lightened to 22 pounds 

Clutch:  Clutchmaster TR6

I believe the fact that I am using the TR4A-6 flywheel and bolt-on ring gear
drives the need for the long starter.  Any help in confirming this would be
appreciated. 

While this combination has been in place for at least 10 years, I do get
times when the starter spins up, but does not "catch" the ring gear, so it
does not turn over the engine.  Restarting always catches, although
sometimes this could take a few tries.  I've always thought this was the
starter needed an overhaul, but have not taken the time to pull it and see.
The starter pinion and ring gear never crunch.  It either engages well or
not, although it may engage and "slip out" occasionally.  This
non-engagement gets worse with decreasing temperature.  On a 40 degree day,
I have tried over 15 starts before it'll catch.  This is unacceptable.  

I want to be sure this is a starter problem and not a component problem
before I install a new starter and potentially cause problems.

Also, any help on figuring out the non-engagement and slipping issues would
be great.  

Just for grins, is there any way to tell which starter is installed without
pulling it out?  It's been a while.

Thanks in advance,

Jack

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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12.0pt'>Amici,</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
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11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I am finally looking to install a gear reduction starter in my =
(post
60K) Street/Auto-X &nbsp;TR3A.&nbsp; I believe I need the long later =
starter,
as that is what is in the car, but I have some function issues which I =
do not
understand.&nbsp; My configuration is as follows:</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Block: &nbsp;TR4</span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Tranny: TR3, non-syncro OD.&nbsp; The small starter bulge on the =
tranny
has been modified/extended to accommodate the longer starter.&nbsp; The =
hole is
covered to keep dirt and moisture out.</span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Flywheel: TR4A-6 style, with bolt on ring gear, lightened to 22 =
pounds </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Clutch:&nbsp; Clutchmaster TR6</span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I believe the fact that I am using the TR4A-6 flywheel and =
bolt-on ring
gear drives the need for the long starter.&nbsp; Any help in confirming =
this would
be appreciated. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>While this combination has been in place for at least 10 years, =
I do
get times when the starter spins up, but does not &#8220;catch&#8221; =
the ring
gear, so it does not turn over the engine.&nbsp; Restarting always =
catches, although
sometimes this could take a few tries.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve always thought =
this was
the starter needed an overhaul, but have not taken the time to pull it =
and
see.&nbsp; The starter pinion and ring gear never crunch.&nbsp; It =
either
engages well or not, although it may engage and &#8220;slip out&#8221; =
occasionally.&nbsp;
This non-engagement gets worse with decreasing temperature.&nbsp; On a =
40
degree day, I have tried over 15 starts before it&#8217;ll catch.&nbsp; =
This is
unacceptable.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I want to be sure this is a starter problem and not a component =
problem
before I install a new starter and potentially cause =
problems.</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Also, any help on figuring out the non-engagement and slipping =
issues
would be great. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
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11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Just for grins, is there any way to tell which starter is =
installed without
pulling it out?&nbsp; It&#8217;s been a while.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

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12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Jack</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
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