Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks

From: "Robert M. Lang" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:01:22 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Scott Janzen wrote:

> so, I'm planning on breaking out the ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler TR4 for a 
> couple of runs this fall - debating whether I need new tires.  There's 
> plenty of rubber left on the Goodyear Eagles (23x9x15), but as you might 
> know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore and haven't for a few years, 
> so I think they are 4-5 years old, minimum (no date codes). Should I 
> soften them up with Formula V (tire softener), or spring for a new set 
> of Hoosiers?  Not going vintage at this point - with the suspension 
> setup, the fiberglass flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it is.
>
> I don't have any experience with tires like this . . . can I milk them 
> for a bit longer or have they aged out?

You can get away with traction compound, but you def. won't get optimal 
performance from the tires. The other problem is that after you "juice" 
the tires, you get only a few laps before they start going off. Or at 
least that's my experience.

If you want tires on a budget, try using some cast-off Hoosier R45 
compound 23x9.5x15's. The used tires guys usually have some.

regards,
rml
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From: "Rocky Entriken" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:49:20 -0500

Formula V -- I used to sell the stuff for many years (retired now) and still 
use it. My experience is people who said the tires went off didn't do it 
enough. My analogy is the tire is like a hard dried sponge, infuse it with 
enough of the right liquid and it's soft again. I'd juice mine until the 
stuff ran off and it just would not soak in any more (paint on a treatment, 
wait an hour, repeat). For multi-day events, one coat (and ONLY one) in the 
paddock overnight to refresh them. Almost always used my tires until the 
cord showed up.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert M. Lang" <[email-masked]>
To: "Scott Janzen" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks

>> know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore and haven't for a few years, so 
>> I think they are 4-5 years old, minimum (no date codes). Should I soften 
>> them up with Formula V (tire softener), or spring for a new set of 
>> Hoosiers?  Not going vintage at this point - with the suspension setup, 
>> the fiberglass flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it is.
>>
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From: sherry robyn <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:33:54 -0700 (PDT)

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Rocky, how many coats did you put on before=A0a weekend?=A0 Formula V direc=
tions say to put 3 to 4 coats for 3 days.=A0 Did you do more than this?=A0 =
I've put on lots of coats with limited success but maybe I stopped short.=
=A0 The Formula V directions also=A0say to wait 48 hours before racing so I=
 have not done subsequent coats for a two day event.=A0 When you say one co=
at to refresh them, I could see that this might work.=A0 The directions had=
 me not going there.=A0 Jim=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr=
om: Rocky Entriken <[email-masked]>=0ATo: Robert M. Lang <[email-masked]=
t.edu>; Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> =0ACc: 'Friends of Triumph' Tr=
iumph <[email-masked]> =0ASent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:49 PM=
=0ASubject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks=0A  =0A=0AFormula V -- I used to se=
ll the stuff for many years (retired now) and still use it. My experience i=
s people who said the tires went off didn't do it enough. My analogy is the=
 tire is like a hard dried sponge, infuse it with enough of the right liqui=
d and it's soft again. I'd juice mine until the stuff ran off and it just w=
ould not soak in any more (paint on a treatment, wait an hour, repeat). For=
 multi-day events, one coat (and ONLY one) in the paddock overnight to refr=
esh them. Almost always used my tires until the cord showed up.=0A=0A--Rock=
y Entriken=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang@i=
sis.mit.edu>=0ATo: "Scott Janzen" <[email-masked]>=0ACc: "'Friends o=
f Triumph' Triumph" <[email-masked]>=0ASent: Wednesday, September 18, 2=
013 9:01 AM=0ASubject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks=0A=0A=0A> On Tue, 17 Sep=
 2013, Scott Janzen wrote:=0A> =0A>> so, I'm planning on breaking out the e=
x-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler TR4 for a couple of runs this fall - debating whet=
her I need new tires.=A0 There's plenty of rubber left on the Goodyear Eagl=
es (23x9x15), but as you might know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore an=
d haven't for a few years, so I think they are 4-5 years old, minimum (no d=
ate codes). Should I soften them up with Formula V (tire softener), or spri=
ng for a new set of Hoosiers?=A0 Not going vintage at this point - with the=
 suspension setup, the fiberglass flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car as=
 it is.=0A>> =0A>> I don't have any experience with tires like this . . . c=
an I milk them for a bit longer or have they aged out?=0A> =0A> You can get=
 away with traction compound, but you def. won't get optimal performance fr=
om the tires. The other problem is that after you "juice" the tires, you ge=
t only a few laps before they start going off. Or at least that's my experi=
ence.=0A> =0A> If you want tires on a budget, try using some cast-off Hoosi=
er R45 compound 23x9.5x15's. The used tires guys usually have some.=0A> =0A=
> regards,=0A> rml=0A> ----------------------------------------------------=
-----------------------=0A> Bob Lang=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Triumph TR6=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Rocky, how many coats=
 did you put on before&nbsp;a weekend?&nbsp; Formula V directions say to pu=
t 3 to 4 coats for 3 days.&nbsp; Did you do more than this?&nbsp; <var id=
=3D"yui-ie-cursor"></var>I've put on lots of coats with limited success but=
 maybe I stopped short.&nbsp; The Formula V directions also&nbsp;say to wai=
t 48 hours before racing so I have not done subsequent coats for a two day =
event.&nbsp; When you say one coat to refresh them, I could see that this m=
ight work.&nbsp; The directions had me not going there.&nbsp; Jim</span></d=
iv><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif=
; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, =
times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"hr" style=
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ight: 0px;
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e"></div>  <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: =
bold;">From:</span></b> Rocky Entriken &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><=
span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Robert M. Lang &lt;lang@is=
is.mit.edu&gt;; Scott Janzen &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph &lt;f=
[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</spa=
n></b> Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:49 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-wei=
ght: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks<br> </font> </d=
iv> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>Formula V -- I used to sell the stuf=
f for many years (retired now) and still use it. My experience is people wh=
o said the tires went off didn't do it enough. My analogy is the tire is li=
ke a hard dried sponge, infuse it with enough of the right liquid and it's =
soft again.
 I'd juice mine until the stuff ran off and it just would not soak in any m=
ore (paint on a treatment, wait an hour, repeat). For multi-day events, one=
 coat (and ONLY one) in the paddock overnight to refresh them. Almost alway=
s used my tires until the cord showed up.<br><br>--Rocky Entriken<br><br>--=
--- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lan=
[email-masked]" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;<br>To: "Scott Janzen" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Cc: "=
'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Wedn=
esday, September 18, 2013 9:01 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks<b=
r><br><br>&gt; On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Scott Janzen wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&gt=
; so, I'm planning on breaking out the ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler TR4 for a
 couple of runs this fall - debating whether I need new tires.&nbsp; There'=
s plenty of rubber left on the Goodyear Eagles (23x9x15), but as you might =
know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore and haven't for a few years, so I=
 think they are 4-5 years old, minimum (no date codes). Should I soften the=
m up with Formula V (tire softener), or spring for a new set of Hoosiers?&n=
bsp; Not going vintage at this point - with the suspension setup, the fiber=
glass flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it is.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;=
&gt; I don't have any experience with tires like this . . . can I milk them=
 for a bit longer or have they aged out?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; You can get away =
with traction compound, but you def. won't get optimal performance from the=
 tires. The other problem is that after you "juice" the tires, you get only=
 a few laps before they start going off. Or at least that's my experience.<=
br>&gt; <br>&gt; If you want tires on a budget, try using some
 cast-off Hoosier R45 compound 23x9.5x15's. The used tires guys usually hav=
e some.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; regards,<br>&gt; rml<br>&gt; ---------------------=
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From: Mike Munson <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:55:09 -0700 (PDT)

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What Rocky said. As a budget racer TT has kept me on the track for years!=
=0AMike=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Rocky Entriken <=
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cantilever slicks=0A  =0A=0AFormula V -- I used to sell the stuff for many =
years (retired now) and still =0Ause it. My experience is people who said t=
he tires went off didn't do it =0Aenough. My analogy is the tire is like a =
hard dried sponge, infuse it with =0Aenough of the right liquid and it's so=
ft again. I'd juice mine until the =0Astuff ran off and it just would not s=
oak in any more (paint on a treatment, =0Await an hour, repeat). For multi-=
day events, one coat (and ONLY one) in the =0Apaddock overnight to refresh =
them. Almost always used my tires until the =0Acord showed up.=0A=0A--Rocky=
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ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler TR4 for a =0A>> couple of runs this fall - debati=
ng whether I need new tires.=A0 There's =0A>> plenty of rubber left on the =
Goodyear Eagles (23x9x15), but as you might =0A>> know, Goodyear doesn't ma=
ke these anymore and haven't for a few years, so =0A>> I think they are 4-5=
 years old, minimum (no date codes). Should I soften =0A>> them up with For=
mula V (tire softener), or spring for a new set of =0A>> Hoosiers?=A0 Not g=
oing vintage at this point - with the suspension setup, =0A>> the fiberglas=
s flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it is.=0A>>=0A>> I don't have a=
ny experience with tires like this . . . can I milk them =0A>> for a bit lo=
nger or have they aged out?=0A>=0A> You can get away with traction compound=
, but you def. won't get optimal =0A> performance from the tires. The other=
 problem is that after you "juice" =0A> the tires, you get only a few laps =
before they start going off. Or at =0A> least that's my experience.=0A>=0A>=
 If you want tires on a budget, try using some cast-off Hoosier R45 =0A> co=
mpound 23x9.5x15's. The used tires guys usually have some.=0A>=0A> regards,=
=0A> rml=0A> --------------------------------------------------------------=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>What Rocky=
 said. As a budget racer TT has kept me on the track for years!Mike</span><=
/div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york,=
 times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roma=
n, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=
=3D"margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); he=
ight: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class=3D"hr" contentEditable=3D=
"false" readonly=3D"true"></div>  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span=
 style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Rocky Entriken &lt;rocky@spi=
tfire4.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Rob=
ert M. Lang &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Scott Janzen &lt;[email-masked]=
om&gt; <br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> 'Friends of=
 Triumph' Triumph
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent=
:</span></b> Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:49 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks<br> </fon=
t> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>Formula V -- I used to sell th=
e stuff for many years (retired now) and still <br>use it. My experience is=
 people who said the tires went off didn't do it <br>enough. My analogy is =
the tire is like a hard dried sponge, infuse it with <br>enough of the righ=
t liquid and it's soft again. I'd juice mine until the <br>stuff ran off an=
d it just would not soak in any more (paint on a treatment, <br>wait an hou=
r, repeat). For multi-day events, one coat (and ONLY one) in the <br>paddoc=
k overnight to refresh them. Almost always used my tires until the <br>cord=
 showed up.<br><br>--Rocky Entriken<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br=
>From: "Robert M. Lang" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
 ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: "Sco=
tt Janzen" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ymailto=3D"mailto:J=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Cc: "'Friends of Tri=
umph' Triumph" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ymailto=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Wednesday, Septembe=
r 18, 2013 9:01 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks<br><br><br>&gt; =
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Scott Janzen wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; so, I'm planni=
ng on breaking out the ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler TR4 for a <br>&gt;&gt; cou=
ple of runs this fall - debating whether I need new tires.&nbsp; There's <b=
r>&gt;&gt; plenty of rubber left on the Goodyear Eagles (23x9x15), but as y=
ou might <br>&gt;&gt; know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore and haven't=
 for a few years, so <br>&gt;&gt; I think they are 4-5 years old, minimum (=
no date codes). Should I soften <br>&gt;&gt; them up with Formula V (tire
 softener), or spring for a new set of <br>&gt;&gt; Hoosiers?&nbsp; Not goi=
ng vintage at this point - with the suspension setup, <br>&gt;&gt; the fibe=
rglass flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it is.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;=
&gt; I don't have any experience with tires like this . . . can I milk them=
 <br>&gt;&gt; for a bit longer or have they aged out?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; You c=
an get away with traction compound, but you def. won't get optimal <br>&gt;=
 performance from the tires. The other problem is that after you "juice" <b=
r>&gt; the tires, you get only a few laps before they start going off. Or a=
t <br>&gt; least that's my experience.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; If you want tires on=
 a budget, try using some cast-off Hoosier R45 <br>&gt; compound 23x9.5x15'=
s. The used tires guys usually have some.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; regards,<br>&gt; =
rml<br>&gt; ---------------------------------------------------------------=
------------<br>&gt; Bob Lang&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
 &nbsp; &nbsp; Triumph TR6!!&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |&nbs=
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I'd paint 'em until they just would not take any more.

First time I used it I brought back a set of 2-year-old slicks that had =
gone rock hard but still had half the tread depth left, took about 2/3 =
of the bottle. That was the first set of tires I ever ran to cord.

3 to 4 coats a day for 3 days, or 12 coats starting about 9 am and going =
to 9 pm -- about the same. 3-4 coats a day kinda assumes a weekend racer =
working in the evenings, not a professional race team crew member. It =
also works better if the tires are scuffed and not glazed. Need to let =
one coat soak in (tires aren't shiny wet any more) before the next one. =
When they're "done", even if the tire isn't shiny wet it just runs off =
and onto the ground (or your catch bucket). They may still feel "greasy" =
for a day or so, which is why the 2-day wait (I won't even put the car =
on the ground/trailer for 2 days). It's also why you can give them one =
coat at the track overnight after it's been run that day, but no more =
(you're also working with freshly scrubbed tires, which allows the FVTT =
to soak in more easily). That's a tip I got from the FVTT guy, it's not =
one he advertises because it's too easy to misuse it.

Once you've got the tires done the first time, it needs just 3-4 coats =
between events and shortly before next event -- assuming "between" means =
2-4 weeks and not next year.

I'd tell people it's not a softener, it's a restorer. It won't make your =
street rocks into racing gumballs, but it'll bring any tire back to it's =
original durometer specs.

I peddled the stuff about 25 years and I believe in it. When I retired I =
passed my franchise to Solo Performance Specialties (Dave Whitworth, =
who's a friend).=20

--Rocky
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: sherry robyn=20
  To: Rocky Entriken=20
  Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph=20
  Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks

  Rocky, how many coats did you put on before a weekend?  Formula V =
directions say to put 3 to 4 coats for 3 days.  Did you do more than =
this?  I've put on lots of coats with limited success but maybe I =
stopped short.  The Formula V directions also say to wait 48 hours =
before racing so I have not done subsequent coats for a two day event.  =
When you say one coat to refresh them, I could see that this might work. =
 The directions had me not going there.  Jim

  From: Rocky Entriken <[email-masked]>
  To: Robert M. Lang <[email-masked]>; Scott Janzen =
<[email-masked]>=20
  Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <[email-masked]>=20
  Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks

  Formula V -- I used to sell the stuff for many years (retired now) and =
still use it. My experience is people who said the tires went off didn't =
do it enough. My analogy is the tire is like a hard dried sponge, infuse =
it with enough of the right liquid and it's soft again. I'd juice mine =
until the stuff ran off and it just would not soak in any more (paint on =
a treatment, wait an hour, repeat). For multi-day events, one coat (and =
ONLY one) in the paddock overnight to refresh them. Almost always used =
my tires until the cord showed up.

  --Rocky Entriken

  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" =
<[email-masked]>

  >=20
  >> so, I'm planning on breaking out the ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler TR4 =
for a couple of runs this fall - debating whether I need new tires.  =
There's plenty of rubber left on the Goodyear Eagles (23x9x15), but as =
you might know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore and haven't for a =
few years, so I think they are 4-5 years old, minimum (no date codes). =
Should I soften them up with Formula V (tire softener), or spring for a =
new set of Hoosiers?  Not going vintage at this point - with the =
suspension setup, the fiberglass flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car =
as it is.
  >>=20
  >> I don't have any experience with tires like this . . . can I milk =
them for a bit longer or have they aged out?
  >=20
  > You can get away with traction compound, but you def. won't get =
optimal performance from the tires. The other problem is that after you =
"juice" the tires, you get only a few laps before they start going off. =
Or at least that's my experience.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'd paint 'em until they just would not take any=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>3 to 4 coats a day for 3 days, or 12 coats starting =
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day or so,=20
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"between"=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'd tell people it's not a softener, it's a =
restorer. It won't=20
make your street rocks into racing gumballs, but it'll bring any tire =
back to=20
it's original durometer specs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I peddled the stuff about 25 years and I believe in =
it. When I=20
retired I passed my franchise to Solo Performance Specialties (Dave =
Whitworth,=20
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weekend?&nbsp;=20
  Formula V directions say to put 3 to 4 coats for 3 days.&nbsp; Did you =
do more=20
  than this?&nbsp; <VAR id=3Dyui-ie-cursor></VAR>I've put on lots of =
coats with=20
  limited success but maybe I stopped short.&nbsp; The Formula V =
directions=20
  also&nbsp;say to wait 48 hours before racing so I have not done =
subsequent=20
  coats for a two day event.&nbsp; When you say one coat to refresh =
them, I=20
  could see that this might work.&nbsp; The directions had me not going=20
  there.&nbsp; Jim</SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV class=3Dy_msg_container><BR>Formula V -- I used to sell the stuff =
for many=20
  years (retired now) and still use it. My experience is people who said =
the=20
  tires went off didn't do it enough. My analogy is the tire is like a =
hard=20
  dried sponge, infuse it with enough of the right liquid and it's soft =
again.=20
  I'd juice mine until the stuff ran off and it just would not soak in =
any more=20
  (paint on a treatment, wait an hour, repeat). For multi-day events, =
one coat=20
  (and ONLY one) in the paddock overnight to refresh them. Almost always =
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wrote:<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt; so, I'm planning on breaking out the =
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  There's plenty of rubber left on the Goodyear Eagles (23x9x15), but as =
you=20
  might know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore and haven't for a few =
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Rocky, I had heard somewhere that kerosene did about the same thing to tire=
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2 coats starting about 9 am =0Aand going to 9 pm -- about the same. 3-4 coa=
ts a day kinda assumes a weekend =0Aracer working in the evenings, not a pr=
ofessional race team crew member. It also =0Aworks better if the tires are =
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iends of Triumph' Triumph  =0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:33  PM=
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them, I  could see that this might work.=A0 The directions had me not going=
  there.=A0 Jim =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>From: =
Rocky Entriken  <[email-masked]>=0A>To: Robert M. Lang  <[email-masked]=
.edu>; Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> =0A>Cc: 'Friends of Triumph'  T=
riumph <[email-masked]> =0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:49  P=
M=0A>Subject: Re: [Fot]  cantilever slicks=0A> =0A>=0A>Formula V -- I used =
to sell the stuff for many =0A  years (retired now) and still use it. My ex=
perience is people who said the =0A  tires went off didn't do it enough. My=
 analogy is the tire is like a hard =0A  dried sponge, infuse it with enoug=
h of the right liquid and it's soft again. =0A  I'd juice mine until the st=
uff ran off and it just would not soak in any more =0A  (paint on a treatme=
nt, wait an hour, repeat). For multi-day events, one coat =0A  (and ONLY on=
e) in the paddock overnight to refresh them. Almost always used my =0A  tir=
es until the cord showed up.=0A>=0A>--Rocky Entriken=0A>=0A>----- Original =
=0A  Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" <[email-masked]>=0A>To: "Scott=
 =0A  Janzen" <[email-masked]>=0A>Cc: =0A  "'Friends of Triumph' Tri=
umph" <[email-masked]>=0A>Sent: =0A  Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:01=
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p 2013, Scott Janzen wrote:=0A>> =0A>>> so, I'm planning on breaking out th=
e ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler =0A  TR4 for a couple of runs this fall - debat=
ing whether I need new tires.=A0 =0A  There's plenty of rubber left on the =
Goodyear Eagles (23x9x15), but as you =0A  might know, Goodyear doesn't mak=
e these anymore and haven't for a few years, =0A  so I think they are 4-5 y=
ears old, minimum (no date codes). Should I soften =0A  them up with Formul=
a V (tire softener), or spring for a new set of =0A  Hoosiers?=A0 Not going=
 vintage at this point - with the suspension setup, =0A  the fiberglass fla=
res, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it is.=0A>>> =0A>>> I don't have any=
 experience with tires like this . . . can I milk =0A  them for a bit longe=
r or have they aged out?=0A>> =0A>> You can get away =0A  with traction com=
pound, but you def. won't get optimal performance from the =0A  tires. The =
other problem is that after you "juice" the tires, you get only a =0A  few =
laps before they start going off. Or at least that's my =0A  experience.=0A=
>> =0A>> If you want tires on a budget, try using some =0A  cast-off Hoosie=
r R45 compound 23x9.5x15's. The used tires guys usually have =0A  some.=0A>=
> =0A>> regards,=0A>> rml=0A>> =0A  ---------------------------------------=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Rocky, I had heard so=
mewhere that kerosene did about the same thing to tires as Formula V.&nbsp;=
 Is there anything to that?&nbsp; Jim</span></div><div><br></div>  <div sty=
le=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div st=
yle=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12p=
t;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"hr" style=3D"margin: 5px 0px; padding:=
 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; fo=
nt-size: 0px;" contenteditable=3D"false" readonly=3D"true"></div>  <font fa=
ce=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span>=
</b> Rocky Entriken &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight: bold;">To:</span></b> sherry robyn &lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> 'Friends of Triump=
h' Triumph
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent=
:</span></b> Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:16 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks<br> </fon=
t> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><meta http-equiv=3D"x-dns-pref=
etch-control" content=3D"off"><div id=3D"yiv274816783">=0A=0A =0A =0A<style=
></style>=0A=0A<div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">I'd paint 'em until they just =
would not take any =0Amore.</font></div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nb=
sp;</div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">First time I used it I brought back a set=
 of 2-year-old slicks =0Athat had gone rock hard but still had half the tre=
ad depth left, took about 2/3 =0Aof the bottle. That was the first set of t=
ires I ever ran to cord.</font></div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;=
</div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">3 to 4 coats a day for 3 days, or 12 coats s=
tarting about 9 am =0Aand going to 9 pm -- about the same. 3-4 coats a day =
kinda assumes a weekend =0Aracer working in the evenings, not a professiona=
l race team crew member. It also =0Aworks better if the tires are scuffed a=
nd not glazed. </font><font size=3D"2">Need =0Ato let one coat soak in (tir=
es aren't shiny wet any more) before the next one. =0AWhen they're "done", =
even if the tire isn't shiny wet it just runs off and onto =0Athe ground (o=
r your catch bucket). They may still feel "greasy" for a day or so, =0Awhic=
h is why the 2-day wait (I won't even put the car on the ground/trailer for=
 =0A2 days). It's also why you can give them one coat at the track overnigh=
t =0A<u>after</u> it's been run that day, but no more (you're also working =
with =0Afr</font><font size=3D"2">eshly scrubbed tires, which allows the FV=
TT to soak in =0Amore easily). That's a tip I got from the FVTT guy, it's n=
ot one he advertises =0Abecause it's too easy to misuse it.</font></div>=0A=
<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">Once you'=
ve got the tires done the first time, it needs just =0A3-4 coats between ev=
ents and shortly before next event -- assuming "between" =0Ameans 2-4 weeks=
 and not next year.</font></div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div=
>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">I'd tell people it's not a softener, it's a resto=
rer. It won't =0Amake your street rocks into racing gumballs, but it'll bri=
ng any tire back to =0Ait's original durometer specs.</font></div>=0A<div><=
font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">I peddled the s=
tuff about 25 years and I believe in it. When I =0Aretired I passed my fran=
chise to Solo Performance Specialties (Dave Whitworth, =0Awho's a friend). =
</font></div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><font size=
=3D"2">--Rocky</font></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"padding-right: 0px; padd=
ing-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(=
0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;" dir=3D"ltr">=
=0A  <div style=3D"font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-st=
retch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>=0A  <div style=3D"backg=
round: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none;=
 font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> =0A  <a title=3D"[email-masked]=
et" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sherry =0A  robyn</a> </div>=
=0A  <div style=3D"font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-st=
retch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:r=
[email-masked]">Rocky Entriken</a> </div>=0A  <div style=3D"font: 10pt/=
normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Cc:</b> <a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Friends of T=
riumph' Triumph</a> </div>=0A  <div style=3D"font: 10pt/normal arial; font-=
size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September=
 18, 2013 4:33 =0A  PM</div>=0A  <div style=3D"font: 10pt/normal arial; fon=
t-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] canti=
lever =0Aslicks</div>=0A  <div><br></div>=0A  <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0=
, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; backgroun=
d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">=0A  <div><span>Rocky, how many coats did you=
 put on before&nbsp;a weekend?&nbsp; =0A  Formula V directions say to put 3=
 to 4 coats for 3 days.&nbsp; Did you do more =0A  than this?&nbsp; <var id=
=3D"yiv274816783yui-ie-cursor"></var>I've put on lots of coats with =0A  li=
mited success but maybe I stopped short.&nbsp; The Formula V directions =0A=
  also&nbsp;say to wait 48 hours before racing so I have not done subsequen=
t =0A  coats for a two day event.&nbsp; When you say one coat to refresh th=
em, I =0A  could see that this might work.&nbsp; The directions had me not =
going =0A  there.&nbsp; Jim</span></div>=0A  <div><br></div>=0A  <div style=
=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">=0A  <div =
style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 1=
2pt;">=0A  <div dir=3D"ltr">=0A  <div class=3D"yiv274816783hr" style=3D"mar=
gin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0=
px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;"></div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">=
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Rocky Entriken =0A  =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</s=
pan></b> Robert M. Lang =0A  &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Scott Janzen &lt;Ja=
[email-masked]&gt; =0A  <br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:<=
/span></b> 'Friends of Triumph' =0A  Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br=
><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Septembe=
r 18, 2013 1:49 =0A  PM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</=
span></b> Re: [Fot] =0A  cantilever slicks<br></font></div>=0A  <div class=
=3D"yiv274816783y_msg_container"><br>Formula V -- I used to sell the stuff =
for many =0A  years (retired now) and still use it. My experience is people=
 who said the =0A  tires went off didn't do it enough. My analogy is the ti=
re is like a hard =0A  dried sponge, infuse it with enough of the right liq=
uid and it's soft again. =0A  I'd juice mine until the stuff ran off and it=
 just would not soak in any more =0A  (paint on a treatment, wait an hour, =
repeat). For multi-day events, one coat =0A  (and ONLY one) in the paddock =
overnight to refresh them. Almost always used my =0A  tires until the cord =
showed up.<br><br>--Rocky Entriken<br><br>----- Original =0A  Message -----=
 From: "Robert M. Lang" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.edu</a>&gt;<br>To: "Scott =0A  Janzen" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Janzen@REcata=
lyst.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:Janzen@REcat=
alyst.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Cc: =0A  "'Friends of Triumph' =
Triumph" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br>Sent: =0A  Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:01 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] =
cantilever =0A  slicks<br><br><br>&gt; On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Scott Janzen wr=
ote:<br>&gt; =0A  <br>&gt;&gt; so, I'm planning on breaking out the ex-Schn=
eider-Bond-Wheeler =0A  TR4 for a couple of runs this fall - debating wheth=
er I need new tires.&nbsp; =0A  There's plenty of rubber left on the Goodye=
ar Eagles (23x9x15), but as you =0A  might know, Goodyear doesn't make thes=
e anymore and haven't for a few years, =0A  so I think they are 4-5 years o=
ld, minimum (no date codes). Should I soften =0A  them up with Formula V (t=
ire softener), or spring for a new set of =0A  Hoosiers?&nbsp; Not going vi=
ntage at this point - with the suspension setup, =0A  the fiberglass flares=
, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it is.<br>&gt;&gt; =0A  <br>&gt;&gt; I =
don't have any experience with tires like this . . . can I milk =0A  them f=
or a bit longer or have they aged out?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; You can get away =
=0A  with traction compound, but you def. won't get optimal performance fro=
m the =0A  tires. The other problem is that after you "juice" the tires, yo=
u get only a =0A  few laps before they start going off. Or at least that's =
my =0A  experience.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; If you want tires on a budget, try usi=
ng some =0A  cast-off Hoosier R45 compound 23x9.5x15's. The used tires guys=
 usually have =0A  some.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; regards,<br>&gt; rml<br>&gt; =0A =
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Never really heard that, but consider this: Kerosene is flammable. =
Formula V is "combustible," a technical (and legal) distinction that =
puts it in the same category as the cardboard box it's shipped in, which =
is a distinction that allows it even to be shipped via UPS or FedEx or =
even mailed. Despite some cars' fender decorations, you aren't looking =
for flame, just softness.

--Rocky
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: sherry robyn=20
  To: Rocky Entriken=20
  Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph=20
  Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks

  Rocky, I had heard somewhere that kerosene did about the same thing to =
tires as Formula V.  Is there anything to that?  Jim

  From: Rocky Entriken <[email-masked]>
  To: sherry robyn <[email-masked]>=20
  Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <[email-masked]>=20
  Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks

  First time I used it I brought back a set of 2-year-old slicks that =
had gone rock hard but still had half the tread depth left, took about =
2/3 of the bottle. That was the first set of tires I ever ran to cord.

  3 to 4 coats a day for 3 days, or 12 coats starting about 9 am and =
going to 9 pm -- about the same. 3-4 coats a day kinda assumes a weekend =
racer working in the evenings, not a professional race team crew member. =
It also works better if the tires are scuffed and not glazed. Need to =
let one coat soak in (tires aren't shiny wet any more) before the next =
one. When they're "done", even if the tire isn't shiny wet it just runs =
off and onto the ground (or your catch bucket). They may still feel =
"greasy" for a day or so, which is why the 2-day wait (I won't even put =
the car on the ground/trailer for 2 days). It's also why you can give =
them one coat at the track overnight after it's been run that day, but =
no more (you're also working with freshly scrubbed tires, which allows =
the FVTT to soak in more easily). That's a tip I got from the FVTT guy, =
it's not one he advertises because it's too easy to misuse it.

  I'd tell people it's not a softener, it's a restorer. It won't make =
your street rocks into racing gumballs, but it'll bring any tire back to =
it's original durometer specs.

  I peddled the stuff about 25 years and I believe in it. When I retired =
I passed my franchise to Solo Performance Specialties (Dave Whitworth, =
who's a friend).=20

  --Rocky

    Formula V -- I used to sell the stuff for many years (retired now) =
and still use it. My experience is people who said the tires went off =
didn't do it enough. My analogy is the tire is like a hard dried sponge, =
infuse it with enough of the right liquid and it's soft again. I'd juice =
mine until the stuff ran off and it just would not soak in any more =
(paint on a treatment, wait an hour, repeat). For multi-day events, one =
coat (and ONLY one) in the paddock overnight to refresh them. Almost =
always used my tires until the cord showed up.

    --Rocky Entriken

    >> so, I'm planning on breaking out the ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler =
TR4 for a couple of runs this fall - debating whether I need new tires.  =
rent
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>--Rocky</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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  style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=[email-masked] =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sherry=20
  robyn</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Rocky Entriken</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Friends of Triumph' Triumph</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 18, =
2013 5:24=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] cantilever=20
slicks</DIV>
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, =
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  <DIV><SPAN>Rocky, I had heard somewhere that kerosene did about the =
same thing=20
  to tires as Formula V.&nbsp; Is there anything to that?&nbsp; =
Jim</SPAN></DIV>
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  class=3Dhr contentEditable=3Dfalse readonly=3D"true"></DIV><FONT =
size=3D2=20
  face=3DArial><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
Rocky Entriken=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;<BR><B><SP=
AN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> sherry robyn &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;=20
  <BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> 'Friends of =
Triumph'=20
  Triumph &lt;<A =
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  <BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, =
September=20
  18, 2013 3:16 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:=20
  [Fot] cantilever slicks<BR></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'd paint 'em until they just would not take any=20
  more.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>First time I used it I brought back a set of =
2-year-old=20
  slicks that had gone rock hard but still had half the tread depth =
left, took=20
  about 2/3 of the bottle. That was the first set of tires I ever ran to =

  cord.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>3 to 4 coats a day for 3 days, or 12 coats =
starting about 9=20
  am and going to 9 pm -- about the same. 3-4 coats a day kinda assumes =
a=20
  weekend racer working in the evenings, not a professional race team =
crew=20
  member. It also works better if the tires are scuffed and not glazed.=20
  </FONT><FONT size=3D2>Need to let one coat soak in (tires aren't shiny =
wet any=20
  more) before the next one. When they're "done", even if the tire isn't =
shiny=20
  wet it just runs off and onto the ground (or your catch bucket). They =
may=20
  still feel "greasy" for a day or so, which is why the 2-day wait (I =
won't even=20
  put the car on the ground/trailer for 2 days). It's also why you can =
give them=20
  one coat at the track overnight <U>after</U> it's been run that day, =
but no=20
  more (you're also working with fr</FONT><FONT size=3D2>eshly scrubbed =
tires,=20
  which allows the FVTT to soak in more easily). That's a tip I got from =
the=20
  FVTT guy, it's not one he advertises because it's too easy to misuse=20
  it.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Once you've got the tires done the first time, it =
needs just=20
  3-4 coats between events and shortly before next event -- assuming =
"between"=20
  means 2-4 weeks and not next year.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'd tell people it's not a softener, it's a =
restorer. It=20
  won't make your street rocks into racing gumballs, but it'll bring any =
tire=20
  back to it's original durometer specs.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I peddled the stuff about 25 years and I believe =
in it. When=20
  I retired I passed my franchise to Solo Performance Specialties (Dave=20
  Whitworth, who's a friend). </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>--Rocky</FONT></DIV>
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normal">-----=20
    Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); =
font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=[email-masked] =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
    rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sherry=20
    robyn</A> </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
normal"><B>To:</B>=20
    <A title=[email-masked] href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
rel=3Dnofollow=20
    target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Rocky =
Entriken</A> </DIV>
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normal"><B>Cc:</B>=20
    <A title=[email-masked] href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
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    Triumph</A> </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
normal"><B>Sent:</B>=20
    Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:33 PM</DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
normal"><B>Subject:</B>=20
    Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks</DIV>
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    <DIV><SPAN>Rocky, how many coats did you put on before&nbsp;a =
weekend?&nbsp;=20
    Formula V directions say to put 3 to 4 coats for 3 days.&nbsp; Did =
you do=20
    more than this?&nbsp; <VAR id=3Dyiv274816783yui-ie-cursor></VAR>I've =
put on=20
    lots of coats with limited success but maybe I stopped short.&nbsp; =
The=20
    Formula V directions also&nbsp;say to wait 48 hours before racing so =
I have=20
    not done subsequent coats for a two day event.&nbsp; When you say =
one coat=20
    to refresh them, I could see that this might work.&nbsp; The =
directions had=20
    me not going there.&nbsp; Jim</SPAN></DIV>
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    class=3Dyiv274816783hr></DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><B><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Rocky Entriken=20
    &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Robert M. Lang=20
    &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Scott Janzen =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;=20
    <BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> 'Friends of =
Triumph'=20
    Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <BR><B><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, September =
18, 2013=20
    1:49 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> =
Re: [Fot]=20
    cantilever slicks<BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dyiv274816783y_msg_container><BR>Formula V -- I used to =
sell the=20
    stuff for many years (retired now) and still use it. My experience =
is people=20
    who said the tires went off didn't do it enough. My analogy is the =
tire is=20
    like a hard dried sponge, infuse it with enough of the right liquid =
and it's=20
    soft again. I'd juice mine until the stuff ran off and it just would =
not=20
    soak in any more (paint on a treatment, wait an hour, repeat). For =
multi-day=20
    events, one coat (and ONLY one) in the paddock overnight to refresh =
them.=20
    Almost always used my tires until the cord showed up.<BR><BR>--Rocky =

    Entriken<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" =
&lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank=20
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    Janzen" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3Dnofollow=20
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    "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
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ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;<BR>Sent:=
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    Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:01 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Fot] =
cantilever=20
    slicks<BR><BR><BR>&gt; On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Scott Janzen =
wrote:<BR>&gt;=20
    <BR>&gt;&gt; so, I'm planning on breaking out the =
ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler=20
    TR4 for a couple of runs this fall - debating whether I need new=20
    tires.&nbsp; There's plenty of rubber left on the Goodyear Eagles =
(23x9x15),=20
    but as you might know, Goodyear doesn't make these anymore and =
haven't for a=20
    few years, so I think they are 4-5 years old, minimum (no date =
codes).=20
    Should I soften them up with Formula V (tire softener), or spring =
for a new=20
    set of Hoosiers?&nbsp; Not going vintage at this point - with the =
suspension=20
    setup, the fiberglass flares, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it=20
    is.<BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt; I don't have any experience with tires =
like=20
    this . . . can I milk them for a bit longer or have they aged =
out?<BR>&gt;=20
    <BR>&gt; You can get away with traction compound, but you def. won't =
get=20
    optimal performance from the tires. The other problem is that after =
you=20
    "juice" the tires, you get only a few laps before they start going =
off. Or=20
    at least that's my experience.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; If you want tires on =
a=20
    budget, try using some cast-off Hoosier R45 compound 23x9.5x15's. =
The used=20
    tires guys usually have some.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; regards,<BR>&gt; =
rml<BR>&gt;=20
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