Subject: [Bmcu] Fw: Penetrating Oils]

From: "Floyd Inman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 09:07:46 -0700

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Subject:  Penetrating Oils

 Interesting!  Even if you're not mechanically inclined, this might be =
worth
noting.

This story came to me from one of the guy's in the EAA club  Interesting =
!!

"Machinist's Workshop" recently published information on various =
penetrating
oils. The magazine reports they tested these products for "break out
"torque" on rusted nuts and bolts. A subjective test was made of popular
penetrating oils, with the unit of merit being the torque  required to
remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted"  bolt.
Average torque load to loosen nut:
No Oil used ........................516 foot pounds
WD-40 ..................... ........238 foot pounds
PB Blaster .........................214 foot pounds
Liquid Wrench ......................127 foot pounds
Kano Kroil .........................106 foot pounds
ATF/Acetone mix...................... 53 foot pounds

The ATF/Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50/50 automatic transmission
fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any
commercial product in this one particular test.
Our local machinist group mixed up a batch, and we all now use it with
equally good results. Note also that Liquid Wrench is almost as good as
Kroil for 20% of the price.
ATF/Acetone mix is best, but you can also use ATF and lacquer thinner in =
a
50/50 mix.  ATF =3D Any type of Automatic Transmission Fluid
                        This version of the story was in one
                   of the Military Vehicle Club newsletters:

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An application (systemically) of ethanol and Boddington's seems to work eve=
n better for
me if that happens.

--- On Mon, 12/17/12, Ron Christensen <[email-masked]> wrote:

From: Ron Christensen <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Bmcu] Fw: Penetrating Oils]
To: "Kurt Draper" <[email-masked]>, "'Floyd Inman'" <floyd_inman@ms=
n.com>, "'BMCU, Team'" <[email-masked]>
Date: Monday, December 17, 2012, 10:27 AM

Not included are the torque specs for British car nuts and bolts including =
that point at which the head strips or the bolt breaks resulting in the ine=
vitable knuckle injury, at which point an application of 50% betadine, 30% =
alcohol and 20% hydrogen peroxide seems to work well.=20

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Subject:=A0 Penetrating Oils

=A0Interesting!=A0 Even if you're not mechanically inclined, this might be =
worth

noting.

This story came to me from one of the guy's in the EAA club=A0 Interesting =
!!

"Machinist's Workshop" recently published information on various penetratin=
g
oils. The magazine reports they tested these products for "break out
"torque" on rusted nuts and bolts. A subjective test was made of popular
penetrating oils, with the unit of merit being the torque=A0 required to
remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted"=A0 bolt.
Average torque load to loosen nut:
No Oil used ........................516 foot pounds
WD-40 ..................... ........238 foot pounds
PB Blaster .........................214 foot pounds
Liquid Wrench ......................127 foot pounds
Kano Kroil .........................106 foot pounds
ATF/Acetone mix...................... 53 foot pounds

The ATF/Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50/50 automatic transmission
fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts better than any
commercial product in this one particular test.
Our local machinist group mixed up a batch, and we all now use it with
equally good results. Note also that Liquid Wrench is almost as good as
Kroil for 20% of the price.
ATF/Acetone mix is best, but you can also use ATF and lacquer thinner in a
50/50 mix.=A0 ATF =3D Any type of Automatic Transmission Fluid
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version of the story was in one
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cle Club newsletters:

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<DIV>me if that happens.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 12/17/12, Ron Christensen <I=
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ting !!<BR><BR>"Machinist's Workshop" recently published information on var=
ious penetrating<BR>oils. The magazine reports they tested these products f=
or "break out<BR>"torque" on rusted nuts and bolts. A subjective test was m=
ade of popular<BR>penetrating oils, with the unit of merit being the torque=
&nbsp; required to<BR>remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted"&nbsp; b=
olt.<BR>Average torque load to loosen nut:<BR>No Oil used .................=
.......516 foot pounds<BR>WD-40 ..................... ........238 foot poun=
ds<BR>PB Blaster .........................214 foot pounds<BR>Liquid Wrench =
......................127 foot pounds<BR>Kano Kroil .......................=
..106 foot pounds<BR>ATF/Acetone mix...................... 53 foot pounds<B=
R><BR>The ATF/Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50/50 automatic
 transmission<BR>fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts be=
tter than any<BR>commercial product in this one particular test.<BR>Our loc=
al machinist group mixed up a batch, and we all now use it with<BR>equally =
good results. Note also that Liquid Wrench is almost as good as<BR>Kroil fo=
r 20% of the price.<BR>ATF/Acetone mix is best, but you can also use ATF an=
d lacquer thinner in a<BR>50/50 mix.&nbsp; ATF =3D Any type of Automatic Tr=
ansmission Fluid<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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