From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 04:31:04 2000 From: JVHT@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net (Autocross List) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 06:29:00 EDT Subject: Nationals Warmup for Florida NEWS FLASH!!!   Nationals Warm-up for Florida Drivers is officially on!!!! Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. of Ft. Myers, Florida is putting on a Nationals Warm-up for Florida's entries to the Nationals. It will be the weekend before our September event on the 2nd & 3rd. What better place in Florida is there to practice for Topeka than on the cement at Buckingham Airfield! As usual all runs will be timed the whole weekend! You can get in as many runs as you want for five hours on each day! Total of 10 HOURS of seat time!!! Times will be announced for each run, possibly displayed (we are working on that) and of course time sheets updated regularly. Entry amount not determined yet but will be determined by turnout. (we have to break even) -Dave dhutter@aol.com For more information click here! John Taylor Webmaster@ Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Website From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 06:17:57 2000 From: Scott Anderson To: Chris Moore Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 05:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: DTN nomination Amen, the man is amazing in his devotion, kindness, and quite a driver too! Scott Anderson (G-Stock Eclipse GT #22) Kinnebrew Motors Racing Dixie Region SCCA --- Chris Moore wrote: > Before it's too late, I nominate Karl Rickert. Karl > has done a > tremendous amount of work for the Dixie Region Solo > 2 program, serves on > the board, is Registrar for the SE Divisionals, and > has often contributed > to Team.Net. He is an enthusiastic and hard working > member, it's always > great fun to watch him drive his old Alfa, and I > would love to see him > have the opportunity to go to Nationals. > > Chris Moore > > ________________________________________________________________ > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ===== Scott Anderson, MCP Network Engineer Orion Systems and Services (850) 222-7163 office I support Alan Keyes and Keyes 2000! Learn more at http://www.Keyes2000.org __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 06:25:37 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: Jeff Lloyd Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 07:17:36 -0500 Subject: Re: DTN nomination Do I need to remind you about the TLS "Car Code" !!!!!! If you are a true TLS member you will vote for Karl!!!!!!!! Mike B. TLS#1 Jeff Lloyd wrote: > now I'm torn Do I support fellow team laughing stock member Karl or my local > SM hero IAN??? > choices, choices. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Phil Ethier > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:39 AM > To: Chris Moore > Cc: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: DTN nomination > > second! > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Moore > To: autox@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, July 31, 2000 10:41 PM > Subject: DTN nomination > > >Before it's too late, I nominate Karl Rickert. Karl has done a > >tremendous amount of work for the Dixie Region Solo 2 program, serves on > >the board, is Registrar for the SE Divisionals, and has often contributed > >to Team.Net. He is an enthusiastic and hard working member, it's always > >great fun to watch him drive his old Alfa, and I would love to see him > >have the opportunity to go to Nationals. > > > >Chris Moore > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 06:33:12 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Mike Bultemeier" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:38:13 -0400 Subject: RE: DTN nomination I thought If I was a "TRUE" TLS Member I'd forget to vote, or I'd vote for someone not nominated :-) or drag my knuckles on the ground till something resembling an Idea Poped in my head.. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bultemeier [mailto:hottvr@birch.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 8:18 AM To: Jeff Lloyd Cc: Phil Ethier; Chris Moore; autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: DTN nomination Do I need to remind you about the TLS "Car Code" !!!!!! If you are a true TLS member you will vote for Karl!!!!!!!! Mike B. TLS#1 Jeff Lloyd wrote: > now I'm torn Do I support fellow team laughing stock member Karl or my local > SM hero IAN??? > choices, choices. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Phil Ethier > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:39 AM > To: Chris Moore > Cc: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: DTN nomination > > second! > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Moore > To: autox@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, July 31, 2000 10:41 PM > Subject: DTN nomination > > >Before it's too late, I nominate Karl Rickert. Karl has done a > >tremendous amount of work for the Dixie Region Solo 2 program, serves on > >the board, is Registrar for the SE Divisionals, and has often contributed > >to Team.Net. He is an enthusiastic and hard working member, it's always > >great fun to watch him drive his old Alfa, and I would love to see him > >have the opportunity to go to Nationals. > > > >Chris Moore > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 06:42:19 2000 From: Eric W Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:39:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! "The Hoosier talent show" has a nice ring to it : ) On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:53:10 -0500 rjohnson@friendlynet.com writes: > > Today it is official - in spite of the perennial emcee switching > tires, and the > (current) lack of a sponsor (BFG politely declined, given the above) > the > 2000 version of the Nationals Talent Show will be Thursday night > during > our week in Topeka. > > History: Given that only 62(!) if the 1000+ expected participants > will leave > Topeka with 1st place trophies, and given that every driver and > spectator > in the place has SOME hidden talent, the show was created to > recognize > those who may not drive the absolute best, or have the > latest/greatest > car. > > This thing has been going on since 1987(?) and has created my > fondest > Nationals memories: > > Pat Washburn's songs, with a great musical back-up. . . . . . > Phil Ethier's Pylon Dance > Matt Murray's Top Ten Lists > GH & Danielle with violin/piano duet > The 'Real' RJ's comedy sketches > Mari Clement's dress (can't recall what she did, however) > Jimmy Stewart singing > Charlie Davis 'Huck & Chuck' t-shirts, and the annual meeting > sketch > Joe Goeke and his annual videos > Bryan Kinser's video > John Lee's Cajun stories > Bob Strange'annual stand-up entry - finally winning in 1999! > Rich Fletcher's songs > The Talent Show Band > John Banks > Bev Vach > Bryon Short > Ginna Blair > Davie Looman > the annual Team.Net act > > . . . . . and about a hundred more. > > This show, like autocrossing, is NOT a spectator event. Its > success > depends on the efforts of the participants. So let the creative > juices flow, remembering of course that PG-13 is about the limit of > good taste. > > Clearly for 2000, the SM crowd needs to demonstrate their desire > to be a part of the Nationals by being a part of Thursday's > entertainment. > Mari Clements has promised a reprise. One of the un-official DTN > requirements > is to participate. > Who else will volunteer? > > Contact me for a reserved spot on the stage, and to co-ordinate > the > necessary > props. . . . . . . . > > Roger (Ohio) Johnson > > ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 06:43:28 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:42:12 EDT Subject: Nationals courses seminar Monday Sept. 11th-Evolution Evolutions's annual courses seminar at Kansas has been set for Monday night Sept. 11 from 6-8 at the headquarter's, the Capitol Plaza. don't miss this annual event where the courses are blown up on a screen and all instructors will gover the general plan of attack, including using concepts of the school for the strategy. Cover charge will be $5 at the door to help cover costs. Use this time to get your mind set for going for the tophies on these ibg courses. Most instructors will be there for the discussion and questions. Open to past students from '93 and if you did not get into a school for the past year but plan to take a school in 2001, contact me and arrangements can be made for getting in. Jean Kinser Owner-Co-Founder/ Evolution Performance Driving School-McKamey Autocross Division From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 06:49:18 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:48:08 EDT Subject: Evoltuion's Peru info for leaving the trailers there... For those planning to attend the warm up event in Peru....I talked with Roger about where stuff will be left after for those keeping it there to pick up for Nationals...he siad the lot right outside the gate is where it can be left. Remember friday is the last day to have your check in for this pracrtice till you drop weekend. Instructors are Jean Kinser Dean Sapp Sam Strano Pat Salerno John Thomas Peter Calhoun Tommy Pulliam GH Sharp Chris Lindberg Lunch provided both days, 2 courses going at the same time. Segment times, instructors to ride, drive, watch, consult...Get on top of the game heading into Kansas and freshen up on those skills with lots of concrete time... $50 for both or $30 for one day... Jean Kinser 216 East Kelly Park Rd. Apopka, Fl 32712 407-889-7207 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 07:17:46 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: mattm@optonline.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:16:30 GMT Subject: Re: DTN Final Nomination - Karl Rickert >From: "Matt Murray" >>Just squeaking inder the wire, I have received a final nomination of >> >>Karl Rickert. I know Karl is an Alfa guy and that's about it. So >> >>Karl, let us know #1) do you accept the nomination, Yes! Nomination Accepted! (Thanks Chris!) >>and #2) tell us about yourself and why you should be Y2K DTN. Gosh, I'm happy to be nominated I don't know where to begin. I was born a poor... never mind. I'm originally from East Tennessee, where I started honing my driving skills, by running the backroads and byways with the likes of Johnny Miller IV of Trans-am fame. But that's a whole other story. My first car was a 1971 Volvo 142E that was my father's B Sedan racecar. I replaced the bumpers and headlights and I was the envy of every 16 yr old in the county. I started autocrossing in the ETR Region at the tender age of 16, but was my father's pit crew at autocrosses and road races from the age of 10. Along with the Volvo I also owned a '67 Austin Mini, '58 Volvo 445, and a '76 Trans am, all before the age of 18. After "gradiating" from high school, I moved to Cleveland, TN and attended UTC in Chattanooga, working on a BS in Graphic Arts. I meet my wife of 15 yrs there and we moved to Florida a few years after we were married. We have 3 children ages 8, 19, & 18. I am currently employed at The Printing House Ltd in Quincy, FL as the Estimator. One of our sister companies is Homes & Land Magazines, which are produced and distributed nationwide. We moved to Tallahassee in 1992 and started autocrossing again in 1996 after a co-worker "gave" me the '74 Spider in drive today. I was able to capture the '97, '98 and '99 C-Stock Championship in The Dixie Region. I was worker of the year in '97 and Member of the year in '98 (or vice versa). I've always been active in the Region. In '97 I was elected as a board member and in '99 was elected Assistant Regional Executive. I'm always one of the first to arrive at the event, either setting up the trailer or registraion table. My consitant worker position is that of an event supervisor, making sure all is fine and dandy in the area. You can also find me working the PA system from time to time (someone please take the mike away from me), but fellow DTN driver David Hawkins does a much better job;) Currently, I am the SEDiv Solo2 Registrar for our Solo2 Divisional series. I am filling the shoes of one Ms. Brenda Ashburn, who will be missed at the events as an official. My current autocross car is a '74 Alfa Romeo Spider, while not the best looking (rusting away) or handling car in the world. It is an absolute blast to drive and watch! I'm often asked how I keep from dragging the door handles, when cornering hard. I was however able to capture the SEDIV C-Stock Championship in '99 driving the ole Alfa! Currently I am preparing a '71 Datsun 510 for Solo1 and eventually road racing. I'd like to thank everyone on Team.net for their informative, if not always serious posts and Mark B. for hosting the service! I've been fortunate enough to meet the likes of Phil Either and his Lotus and was even able to arrange a ride at a "rally cross" in Minnesota a few years ago, by using Team.net! Did I mention my SEDIV boss is MaS? So, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! And if elected the 2000 DTN, I promise octane boost in every tank, a new set of BFG's every year and not to bring up the twelve days of autocross ever again! I'll even bring JD Kemp with me for luck! Regards, See ya'll at the Ozark SEDIV Divisional! Karl Rickert Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 07:21:52 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: hottvr@birch.net, Jeff@cyberconceptz.com Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:20:37 GMT Subject: Re: DTN nomination >From: Mike Bultemeier >Do I need to remind you about the TLS "Car Code" !!!!!! >If you are a true TLS member you will vote for Karl!!!!!!!! Thanks, oh fearless leader! >Jeff Lloyd wrote: >>now I'm torn Do I support fellow team laughing stock member Karl or >>my >>local SM hero IAN??? choices, choices. GO TEAM LAUGHING STOCK! Karl Rickert Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman TLS Webmaster <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider TLS #25 ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 07:24:55 2000 From: "Jason S." To: Jeff@cyberconceptz.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:21:03 CDT Subject: Re: Kumho 712??? I have over 5000 miles on my set so far. I just pulled them off the car last night to do the rear brake pads and bleed all four corners. They are wearing very well, there is almost no signs of wear and I have been pretty hard on them. They are great in the rain as well. I doubt you would do much spinning of the z pig unless you wanted to. Not a top of the line tire but a very good value, probably the best tire I have ever bought for the money. Later, Jason S. >From: "Jeff Lloyd" >Reply-To: "Jeff Lloyd" >To: >Subject: Kumho 712??? >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:22:22 -0400 > >How does everybody like the kumho 712, I spun the Z pig in the wet today so >it appears I need new rubber NOW!!!! they look like the best deal, how do >they wear?, how does everyone like them?? > >or do they feel the 711 is a better tire? > >I really want to support companies that support our sport but for 1/2 the >price the kumho's blow the hoosier street tires out of the water.. and I >have been underwhelmed at best with the BFGs I have on the car now!!! > >Jeff Lloyd >'96 Z3 1.9 (with bald street tires) > > > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 07:42:39 2000 From: Steve Couture To: "Team.Net" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 06:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Milwaukee Hotels? Whoever it was that said autocrossers are the worlds best (worst?) procrastinators hit the nail on the head. I've been planning to go to the Milwaukee Cnediv event this weekend, but put off making hotel reservations. As it turns out, this is the main weekend of the state fair, and there are literally *no* hotel rooms to be had. So here's my plea: Does *anyone* have a room with an extra bed or available floor space (I can to the sleeping bag thing) in Milwaukee this weekend?? THANKS! -- Steve Couture #57 DS Neon ACR steve@couture.org __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 07:54:57 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:53:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: > Today it is official - in spite of the perennial emcee switching > tires, and the (current) lack of a sponsor (BFG politely declined, > given the above) the 2000 version of the Nationals Talent Show > will be Thursday night during our week in Topeka. Whoohoo! > Clearly for 2000, the SM crowd needs to demonstrate their desire > to be a part of the Nationals by being a part of Thursday's > entertainment. Hey Roger, if we get more than 20 SM-types up on stage, do we win a prize? DG ...wondering if he can teach 20 SM drivers to rap... From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 07:58:00 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:55:02 -0400 Subject: SM Talent Show Entry Anybody know what rhymes with "subframe connectors"? DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 07:59:57 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: , Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:04:47 -0400 Subject: RE: Talent Show Lives! yea you get a class!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of dg50@daimlerchrysler.com Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:54 AM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: > Today it is official - in spite of the perennial emcee switching > tires, and the (current) lack of a sponsor (BFG politely declined, > given the above) the 2000 version of the Nationals Talent Show > will be Thursday night during our week in Topeka. Whoohoo! > Clearly for 2000, the SM crowd needs to demonstrate their desire > to be a part of the Nationals by being a part of Thursday's > entertainment. Hey Roger, if we get more than 20 SM-types up on stage, do we win a prize? DG ...wondering if he can teach 20 SM drivers to rap... From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:02:37 2000 From: GRMMail@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:01:08 EDT Subject: Seeking all independent clubs! Grassroots Motorsports magazine is working on an article of all of the sports car and racing clubs that are available for the enthusiast..... If you are a part of an independent OR internet based club (ie, we already know where to find the SCCA) and want to be included on this list, please email me the following: Club name Address Contact phone numbers email address web address Also, we are offering a special club trophy for the club that finishes best in our $2001 challenge, you can check out the details at: http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com --GRM From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:04:42 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:03:27 GMT Subject: Re: SM Talent Show Entry >From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com >Anybody know what rhymes with "subframe connectors"? "No blame protestors" Karl Rickert Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider TLS #25 ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:11:09 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'rjohnson@friendlynet.com'" , Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:09:51 -0500 Subject: RE: Talent Show Lives! Well, I can do an Annie Oakly type (without the skirt you perverts) show if someone has an old set of dishes that they don't need anymore. ;^) I'll also need a brave volunteer for my William Tell act. I get the bow, you get the apple. (Still working on perfecting my Meatloaf impersonation.) Eric (armed to the teeth) Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "...Arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace." Thomas Paine -----Original Message----- Today it is official - in spite of the perennial emcee switching tires, and the (current) lack of a sponsor (BFG politely declined, given the above) the 2000 version of the Nationals Talent Show will be Thursday night during our week in Topeka. History: Given that only 62(!) if the 1000+ expected participants will leave Topeka with 1st place trophies, and given that every driver and spectator in the place has SOME hidden talent, the show was created to recognize those who may not drive the absolute best, or have the latest/greatest car. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:14:19 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:13:13 EDT Subject: Re: SM Talent Show Entry dg50@daimlerchrysler.com writes: << Anybody know what rhymes with "subframe connectors"? >> protest inspectors big-cone deflectors Cuba defectors hubcab protectors gearshift selectors movie projectors sipe From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:17:08 2000 From: Karl Witt To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:16:02 -0400 Subject: Re: SM Talent Show Entry fuel injectors At 09:55 AM 8/1/2000 -0400, dg50@daimlerchrysler.com wrote: >Anybody know what rhymes with "subframe connectors"? > >DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:23:33 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:16:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! 20 hell - more than 2 would be a major accomplishment. And while I'm sure that those few will demand another class, I assure you that will happen only at local events. R DG>rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: DG>> Today it is official - in spite of the perennial emcee switching DG>> tires, and the (current) lack of a sponsor (BFG politely declined, DG>> given the above) the 2000 version of the Nationals Talent Show DG>> will be Thursday night during our week in Topeka. DG>Whoohoo! DG>> Clearly for 2000, the SM crowd needs to demonstrate their desire DG>> to be a part of the Nationals by being a part of Thursday's DG>> entertainment. DG>Hey Roger, if we get more than 20 SM-types up on stage, do we win a prize? DG>DG DG>...wondering if he can teach 20 SM drivers to rap... From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:24:34 2000 From: "Kent Rafferty" To: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:23:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! Don't go there DG. Karen and I will be switching to SS before you can figure out what rhymes with "subframe connectors." Kent Rafferty formerly SM :-) > Hey Roger, if we get more than 20 SM-types up on stage, do we win a prize? > > DG > > ...wondering if he can teach 20 SM drivers to rap... > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:30:14 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: , Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:29:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! I think they call it a bad neighborhood. :^) Matt Murray mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > Hey Roger, if we get more than 20 SM-types up on stage, do we win a prize? > > DG > > ...wondering if he can teach 20 SM drivers to rap... Low oil level? From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:36:54 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:36:33 -0400 Subject: Karl's Acceptance You were doing so good up until this part. :^) Matt Murray Vote for DTN! mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > a new set of BFG's every year . . . > Karl Rickert From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:36:52 2000 From: Karl Witt To: "Kent Rafferty" , Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:35:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! you do that and you'll have to answer to me and satan's eyebrow!! ;) karl At 10:23 AM 8/1/2000 -0400, Kent Rafferty wrote: >Don't go there DG. Karen and I will be switching >to SS before you can figure out what rhymes with >"subframe connectors." > >Kent Rafferty >formerly SM :-) > > > Hey Roger, if we get more than 20 SM-types up on stage, do we win a prize? > > > > DG > > > > ...wondering if he can teach 20 SM drivers to rap... > > > > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:42:16 2000 From: "Bruce Wentzel" To: "W2W" , "'autox'" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:38:35 -0400 Subject: memory tire pyrometer sources who has the best prices on these? Does anyone other than Longacre market them? TIA Bruce Wentzel Green Dot Racing, Inc. Road Race & Solo II rentals BSP 71 Corvette LS6 - the original Greendot; ITA and ITS RX-7's Speedbleeders, $5.20, Super Siphon $8.95, credit cards now accepted at https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=greendotracing%40netzero.net _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:41:58 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:40:35 GMT Subject: RE: Driver To Nationals Y2K >From: "Linnhoff, Eric" >Okay, now for the really important qualification questions. >Which one is the most entertaining when drunk? And are they a cheap > >drunk? I'd say I would be pretty darn hilarious if drunk, seeing that I don't drink that often. Two beers and I'm liable to wear Mari's dress. >Are either of them a CP driver? (Hint: They'd be over qualified for >the >first criteria.) Nope, not CP Driver :( I once loaned a oil cap to one though! Who'd a though an Alfa part would fit a Corvair! >How cute would they be in Mari C's checkerboard dress? See above. >And finally, can they carry a Karaoke tune? Not a chance. And I hope nobody brings the video of JD Kemp and I singing "One the cover of the Grassroots Rag" together! >If not, can they at least act like a total fool while on stage? Hell, Bring the video! >Here's an idea to gain recognition for the winner. Make them wear >some >sort of funny orange cone hat all week, to all events, so folks >can >identify them from a distance as the 2000 DTN winner. Hell, I'd >pay for >the hat. The recipient should make every attempt to attend >every social >event during the week or as long as they'll be there. Heck, I already made the hat last year for our "Cone King". I do however own a large checkered flag looking "where's waldo" hat! >To truly be deserving of the DTN award they must be willing to be THE >spectacle of the entire National's social scene, all in good fun of > >course. EVER SEEN MY CAR AND I ON COURSE! 'NUFF SAID!!!! Karl Rickert 2000 DTN "Wanna-be" Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 08:48:49 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: mattm@optonline.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:47:28 GMT Subject: Re: Karl's Acceptance >From: "Matt Murray" >You were doing so good up until this part. :^) >----- Original Message ----- > > a new set of BFG's every year . . . > > Karl Rickert Oops, The above statement should have read: "A new set of "tars" every year" (thanks JD for the spelling help!) Karl Rickert Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 09:50:04 2000 From: "Ron Bauer" To: , Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:54:37 -0700 Subject: Re: SM Talent Show Entry Pocket protectors? Ron -----Original Message----- From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:58 AM Subject: SM Talent Show Entry >Anybody know what rhymes with "subframe connectors"? > >DG > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 09:54:02 2000 From: "Dave Kizerian" To: "Ron Bauer" , , Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:58:25 -0600 Subject: Re: SM Talent Show Entry F-Stock rejecters ? tech inspectors ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Bauer" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:54 AM Subject: Re: SM Talent Show Entry > Pocket protectors? > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com > To: autox@autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:58 AM > Subject: SM Talent Show Entry > > > >Anybody know what rhymes with "subframe connectors"? > > > >DG > > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 09:58:59 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:58:15 -0400 Subject: Re: SM Talent Show Entry dg50@daimlerchrysler.com wrote: > Anybody know what rhymes with "subframe connectors"? Definitely sounds like you need a cover of Phish's "Cavern", off "A Picture of Nectar" (1992). It closes with an entire verse of phrases that rhyme with subframe connector: Give the director a serpent deflector a mudrat detector, a ribbon reflector a cushion convector, a pitcher of nectar * a virile dissector, a hormone collector Whatever you do, take care of your shoes * Alternate lyrics include "a penile erector" and "a picture of Nectar" Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 10:19:05 2000 From: "Pat Salerno" To: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:16:08 -0400 Subject: kumho 712 I put them on my Boxster about 4K ago...They still look like brand new even with large amounts of negative camber. They are far superior to the Pzeros that were on the car from the factory.....and wore out in 12K. I think this has been the best set of rain tires I have ever owned.... PatS 77 AS From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 11:48:48 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Who sells Tokicos for the best price? Howdy, On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Jeffrey Blankenship wrote: > Seems like everybody has them. Can anybody save me money? I dunno who has the best price, but I've been extremely happy with Stranos service. 800/729-1831 www.stranoparts.com "Service" here includes things like setup advice, which is worth way the hell more than any price difference would be. And it wouldn't surprise me if they had the best price anyway. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 12:10:51 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: rjohnson@friendlynet.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:14:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! > This thing has been going on since 1987(?) and has created my > fondest Nationals memories: > > Pat Washburn's songs, with a great musical back-up. . . . . . > Phil Ethier's Pylon Dance > Matt Murray's Top Ten Lists > GH & Danielle with violin/piano duet > The 'Real' RJ's comedy sketches > Mari Clement's dress (can't recall what she did, however) Hmm. I don't know whether to be flattered that I figure in Roger Johnson's fondest memories and that you appreciated the dress I made or insulted that you can't remember what I did. > Mari Clements has promised a reprise. Of the dress? Or the song? I thought wearing the dress was becoming the newest DTN requirement... mlc '91 MR2 NA ------I take no responsibility for anything below this line------ ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 12:25:42 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Mari L Clements'" , Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:24:03 -0500 Subject: RE: Talent Show Lives! Aww Mari, don't fret. I vividly remember your rendition of Shania Twain's "That don't impress me much" song. Might be the dress that actually makes it so rememberable. ;^) What I thought was funny was that as soon as you were done you changed back into plain clothes for comfort. Then later, at least once, you had to change back into the dress quickly when you were called back up onto the stage. You ran into that little side/changing room and back out in about a minute with a complete change of clothing. Heck, it takes me that long just to untie my shoes. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "...Arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace." Thomas Paine -----Original Message----- Hmm. I don't know whether to be flattered that I figure in Roger Johnson's fondest memories and that you appreciated the dress I made or insulted that you can't remember what I did. > Mari Clements has promised a reprise. Of the dress? Or the song? I thought wearing the dress was becoming the newest DTN requirement... mlc '91 MR2 NA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 14:24:47 2000 From: Mark Darby To: rallysolo@compuserve.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Proposed classifiactions..2yr results To whom it may concern: Regarding the classification of the Neon in Class 5 I have compiled two years worth of results comparing the Neon's time to the cars in the proposed class. Here are my findings: 1999 D Stock G Stock Ft. Meyers Pro 72.801 No entrants San Bernardino Pro 69.759 (+1.181) 68.578 Atwater Pro 62.869 (+.324) 62.545 Peru Pro 80.945 No entrants Petersburg Pro 61.884 No entrants Harrisburg Pro 56.001 No entrants Seattle Pro 80.348 (+1.075) 79.273 Wendover Pro 62.287 (+1.369) 60.918 Finale Pro 62.266 62.617 (+.351) Meridian N.T. 101.568 (+.127) 101.441 San Diego N.T. 127.440 (+1.539) 125.901 Fort Worth N.T. 150.611 (+2.206) 148.405 Ayer N.T. 88.298 91.192 (+2.894) Evansville N.T. 85.972 86.163 (+.191) Seattle N.T. 81.774 (+1.495) 80.279 Fountain N.T. 126.922 (+3.463) 123.459 Nationals 120.156 121.480 (+1.324) 2000 D Stock G Stock Ft. Meyers Pro 75.215 (+.797) 74.418 San Bernardino Pro 71.318 (+4.034) 67.284 Lemoore Pro 69.670 (+2.491) 67.179 Pero Pro 77.190 (+1.993) 75.197 Petersburg Pro 58.652 (+1.896) 56.756 Harrisburg Pro 60.980 (+1.212) 59.768 Wendover Pro 62.977 (+2.413) 60.564 Meridian N.T. 106.836 (+.510) 106.326 San Diego N.T. 119.193 (+1.961) 117.232 Fort Worth N.T. 145.651 (+5.211) 140.440 Ayer N.T. 119.437 120.062 (+.625) Peru N.T. 92.662 (+.547) 92.115 Bremerton N.T. 99.565 (+3.697) 95.868 The events that had no entrants were thrown out and no consideration to different weather conditions were given. The D Stock heading means the time for the fastest Neon. The G Stock heading means the fastest time for:Type R,Turbo Eclipse/Talon,Camaro,Corrado(ie current G Stock cars) The average time differential for 1999 was G Stock cars faster on average by .617 of a second. The average time differential for 2000,so far,is 2.178 seconds that the G Stock cars have the advantage! Hopefully this will help the "Dont put Neons in Class 8" discussion,and help the SCAC in their decission. Mark(Rainman)Darby 3 3 DS Fr221981-01 __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 14:37:22 2000 From: "Steven N. Burkett" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:36:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: SP Fender liner mods okay? I know that "fenders and bumpers may be modified for tire clearance". Does that include modification and/or removal of fender liners? Thanks, Steven From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 14:41:13 2000 From: Mark Darby To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Bremertom Tire Manufacturer Results!!! Hi Team! Here are the tire results for the Bremerton National Tour: Kuhmo(109 drivers) 1st-17 2nd-12 3rd-16 Hoosier(70 drivers) 1st-21 2nd-17 3dr-8 BFG(8 drivers) 1st-1 2nd-2 3rd-0 Michelin(2 drivers) 1st-1 2nd-2 3rd-0 Goodyear(6 drivers) 1st-2 2nd-1 3rd-2 Yokohama(6 drivers) 1st-1 2nd-0 3rd-0 M&H (3 drivers) 1st-2 2nd-1 3rd-0 Firestone(1 driver) 1st-0 2nd-1 3rd-0 Bridgestone(1 driver) 1st-0 2nd-0 3rd-0 "just the facts Ma'am" Mark(Rainman)Darby 3 3 DS __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 14:50:54 2000 From: "John Gross" To: markds33@yahoo.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:49:41 GMT Subject: Re: Bremertom Tire Manufacturer Results!!! >Michelin(2 drivers) >1st-1 >2nd-2 >3rd-0 Out of curiosity, how did 2 drivers win 3 trophies? ;-) ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 15:08:24 2000 From: "Rick Brown" To: "Mark Darby" , Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:06:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Bremertom Tire Manufacturer Results!!! > Kuhmo(109 drivers) > 1st-17 > 2nd-12 > 3rd-16 > > Hoosier(70 drivers) > 1st-21 > 2nd-17 > 3dr-8 Since Kuhmo only covers Stock and SP and Hoosier includes Prep/Mod, I wonder if the numbers would be closer if you pulled the race tires (slicks) out of the Hoosier list........ Rick Brown FP 240Z From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 15:32:58 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: markds33@yahoo.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:31:00 PDT Subject: Re: Bremertom Tire Manufacturer Results!!! ??? -- KeS >Michelin(2 drivers) >1st-1 >2nd-2 >3rd-0 ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 15:35:10 2000 From: "Charles Sieber" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:33:43 -0400 Subject: Grissom Aeroplex aerial view If you want to see the concrete at the Peru Tour/Pro/Div etc site, you could point your browser to: http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.asp?S=11&T=1&X=1434&Y=11252&Z=16&W=2 BTW, thanks to the South Bend Region for fun events this past weekend. Chuck Sieber From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 16:09:40 2000 From: Mike Shields To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:08:20 -0600 Subject: Re: Bremertom Tire Manufacturer Results!!! On 08/01/2000 at 01:40 PM, Mark Darby wrote: > Hi Team! > Here are the tire results for the Bremerton National > Tour: > 206 total entrants from adding up the numbers in the email. > Kuhmo(109 drivers) > 1st-17 > 2nd-12 > 3rd-16 > 41.3% of Kumho drivers "placed" 52.9% of drivers 21.8% of drivers who trophied > Hoosier(70 drivers) > 1st-21 > 2nd-17 > 3dr-8 > 65.7% of Hoosier drivers "placed" 34.0% of drivers 22.3% of drivers who trophied Hoosier won 1 more trophy than Kumho. [I'm skiping the rest] I have no clue what it all means. I'm just bored. Mike Mike Shields Webmaster Utah Region SCCA '99 Arrest-Me-Red Miata Sport Pkg From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 16:09:42 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: , Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:12:18 -0700 Subject: Re: SM Talent Show Entry How about.... - pocket protectors - film projectors - guys named Hector (not a perfect rhyme, but close) - gear selectors - Hannibal Lecter Okay, I'm out! Anyone else? Scot - poetry is not my forte '91 CS Miata - poetry in motion! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:55 AM Subject: SM Talent Show Entry > Anybody know what rhymes with "subframe connectors"? > > DG > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 17:19:34 2000 From: Mark Darby To: John Gross , autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Bremertom Tire Manufacturer Results!!! (CORRECTION) Hi Team! I'll guarentee you didnt want to copy any of my math homework....oooops! (or my spelling homework either) Michelin(2 drivers) 1st-1 2nd-2 --- John Gross wrote: > >Michelin(2 drivers) > >1st-1 > >2nd-2 > >3rd-0 Mark(Rainman)Darby # 3 DS > Out of curiosity, how did 2 drivers win 3 trophies? > ;-) > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 17:23:06 2000 From: Mark Darby To: John Gross , autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Bremertom Tire Manufacturer Results!!! (corrections) Hi Team! I told ya....ooops.....again! Michelin(2 drivers) 1st-1 2nd-1 3rd-0 Mark(Rainman)Darby # 3 DS --- John Gross wrote: > >Michelin(2 drivers) > >1st-1 > >2nd-2 > >3rd-0 > > Out of curiosity, how did 2 drivers win 3 trophies? > ;-) > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 17:57:20 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Jeff Lloyd" , Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:39:00 -0500 Subject: Re: DTN nomination >or drag my knuckles on the ground till something resembling an Idea Poped in >my head.. How does an idea "Pope"? Is it different than if it were to, say, "Archbishop of Canterbury"? Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 18:51:33 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: GRMMail@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:49:57 EDT Subject: Re: Seeking all independent clubs! In a message dated 8/1/00 7:05:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GRMMail@aol.com writes: << Grassroots Motorsports magazine is working on an article of all of the sports car and racing clubs that are available for the enthusiast..... If you are a part of an independent OR internet based club (ie, we already know where to find the SCCA) and want to be included on this list, please email me the following: Club name Address Contact phone numbers email address web address Also, we are offering a special club trophy for the club that finishes best in our $2001 challenge, you can check out the details at: http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com --GRM >> ______________________the insanity starts here_________________________ I saw that full race entries can't be "Motorcycle based" ???? Does this mean that motorcycle engine powered cars are illegal???? This sounds like something that Team Laughing Stock should be in on. I live too far away to compete in this challenge. However if any TLS member(or future member that qualifies) is willing to build a car and run the challenge in the full race category I will personally contribute $250.00 to the cause and supply the TLS graphics for the car. I will also poll(Strong arm) the TLS membership for a few $5's and $10's along the way to help with the effort. So any TLS members interested in building the beast???? Mike(Still on the five year plan)B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 19:25:10 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Mark J. Andy" , Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:29:19 -0400 Subject: RE: Who sells Tokicos for the best price? I second Marks advice, when the Z3 was still fairly unknown, Strano not only advised me on what shocks worked, when they were back ordered (for months in advance) they found the only set in the country!!!! excellent service, when I move to a more prepaired class I will call them first!!! Jeff Lloyd -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark J. Andy Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:47 PM To: 'autox@autox.team.net' Subject: Re: Who sells Tokicos for the best price? Howdy, On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Jeffrey Blankenship wrote: > Seems like everybody has them. Can anybody save me money? I dunno who has the best price, but I've been extremely happy with Stranos service. 800/729-1831 www.stranoparts.com "Service" here includes things like setup advice, which is worth way the hell more than any price difference would be. And it wouldn't surprise me if they had the best price anyway. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 19:32:42 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Rick Brown" , "Mark Darby" , Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:37:47 -0400 Subject: RE: Bremertom Tire Manufacturer Results!!! I just play precentages of entries Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Rick Brown Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:07 PM To: Mark Darby; autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Bremertom Tire Manufacturer Results!!! > Kuhmo(109 drivers) > 1st-17 > 2nd-12 > 3rd-16 > > Hoosier(70 drivers) > 1st-21 > 2nd-17 > 3dr-8 Since Kuhmo only covers Stock and SP and Hoosier includes Prep/Mod, I wonder if the numbers would be closer if you pulled the race tires (slicks) out of the Hoosier list........ Rick Brown FP 240Z From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 1 19:57:33 2000 From: washburn To: TeamZ3@aol.com Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:54:53 -0500 Subject: Re: SM Talent Show Entry TeamZ3@aol.com wrote: > > dg50@daimlerchrysler.com writes: > > << Anybody know what rhymes with "subframe connectors"? >> > > protest inspectors > big-cone deflectors > Cuba defectors > hubcab protectors > gearshift selectors > movie projectors > > sipe Rhyming Sipsters From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 01:35:40 2000 From: "Kevin Kluge" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 00:34:02 -0700 Subject: FS: Kumho tires, M3 rims, 1997 BMW M3 I've bought a new car and unfortunately that means I have to sell my M3 and several things related to it. Please send me email if you're interested in any of the following. 2 245/45ZR17 Kumho Victoracers, never mounted, heat cycled. $250. See http://geocities.yahoo.com/kevin_kluge/tires.html. 4 1995 BMW M3 (17x8) rims. Near-mint condition. Currently have BFG g-Force R1's mounted on them. I also have a pair of 5mm H&R spacers (with extended bolts) for BMW's. I'd like to sell everything for $900. See http://geocities.yahoo.com/kevin_kluge/wheels.html. 1997 BMW M3. Black exterior, grey interior. Excellent condition. Most options. 45K miles. Also has Koni adjustable shocks, tinted windows, and Clifford alarm. Asking $34K. See http://geocities.yahoo.com/kevin_kluge/m3.html. -kevin __________________________________________________ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 05:56:44 2000 From: Craig Blome To: sburkett@ooi.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 04:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: How much do 275/40-17 Kumho's weigh? 28.7 lbs, according to the data sheet at Craig Blome __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 08:10:11 2000 From: GSMnow@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:05:40 EDT Subject: TSSCC event at Grissom (Peru tour sire) Tri-State Sports Car Council is proud to host an event at Grissom Aeroplex in Peru, Indiana on Sunday, August 27. In order to give drivers as many runs as possible, they are limiting the number of entrants to 150 drivers. For more detailed information and the event flyer, please refer to the Tri-State Sports Car Council website: http://www.tsscc.org This event will is pre-reg only, so download the .pdf event flyer and send it in soon. Tri-State Sports Car Council hopes to see you there! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 08:50:15 2000 From: Dennis Hale To: Raymond.Colbert@alcoa.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kit cars/ gray market cars You say you reject two or three gray market cars every year from your clubs events. Why? Where in your copy of rules do you have any such authority? Is it a local supp? Are you a competitor in the exact class you are defending to such a pure state? The rules are specific that ONLY competitors in class are to be concerned with non-safety issues. Tech is not a classing police in Solo2. Maybe your folks would return and learn to be a real threat to you with a little gentler approach. ===== Dennis Hale __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 09:07:46 2000 From: Dennis Hale To: Raymond.Colbert@alcoa.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kit cars/ gray market cars You say you reject two or three gray market cars every year from your clubs events. Why? Where in your copy of rules do you have any such authority? Is it a local supp? Are you a competitor in the exact class you are defending to such a pure state? The rules are specific that ONLY competitors in class are to be concerned with non-safety issues. Tech is not a classing police in Solo2. Maybe your folks would return and learn to be a real threat to you with a little gentler approach. ===== Dennis Hale __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 09:10:47 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "team.net" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:13:24 -0400 Subject: Porsche Parade??? I just heard a hot rumor that Jim Pasha trashed his Boxster at this year's Porsche Parade. Anybody have any details? Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 09:33:18 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "team.net" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:13:24 -0400 Subject: Porsche Parade??? I just heard a hot rumor that Jim Pasha trashed his Boxster at this year's Porsche Parade. Anybody have any details? Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 09:33:17 2000 From: Dennis Hale To: Raymond.Colbert@alcoa.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kit cars/ gray market cars You say you reject two or three gray market cars every year from your clubs events. Why? Where in your copy of rules do you have any such authority? Is it a local supp? Are you a competitor in the exact class you are defending to such a pure state? The rules are specific that ONLY competitors in class are to be concerned with non-safety issues. Tech is not a classing police in Solo2. Maybe your folks would return and learn to be a real threat to you with a little gentler approach. ===== Dennis Hale __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 09:36:20 2000 From: Dennis Hale To: Raymond.Colbert@alcoa.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kit cars/ gray market cars You say you reject two or three gray market cars every year from your clubs events. Why? Where in your copy of rules do you have any such authority? Is it a local supp? Are you a competitor in the exact class you are defending to such a pure state? The rules are specific that ONLY competitors in class are to be concerned with non-safety issues. Tech is not a classing police in Solo2. Maybe your folks would return and learn to be a real threat to you with a little gentler approach. ===== Dennis Hale __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 09:36:06 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "team.net" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:13:24 -0400 Subject: Porsche Parade??? I just heard a hot rumor that Jim Pasha trashed his Boxster at this year's Porsche Parade. Anybody have any details? Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 09:47:26 2000 From: Dennis Hale To: Raymond.Colbert@alcoa.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kit cars/ gray market cars You say you reject two or three gray market cars every year from your clubs events. Why? Where in your copy of rules do you have any such authority? Is it a local supp? Are you a competitor in the exact class you are defending to such a pure state? The rules are specific that ONLY competitors in class are to be concerned with non-safety issues. Tech is not a classing police in Solo2. Maybe your folks would return and learn to be a real threat to you with a little gentler approach. ===== Dennis Hale __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 09:48:05 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "team.net" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:13:24 -0400 Subject: Porsche Parade??? I just heard a hot rumor that Jim Pasha trashed his Boxster at this year's Porsche Parade. Anybody have any details? Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 09:57:12 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'autox'" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:55:46 -0500 Subject: RE: Porsche Parade??? Aww Christ, here we go again. This makes the 7th copy of this post that I've received. :^( Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself." Francis Crawford -----Original Message----- I just heard a hot rumor that Jim Pasha trashed his Boxster at this year's Porsche Parade. Anybody have any details? Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 10:20:45 2000 From: "Bruce Haden" To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:20:49 -0700 Subject: RE: Porsche Parade??? -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linnhoff, Eric Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:56 AM To: 'autox' Subject: RE: Porsche Parade??? Aww Christ, here we go again. This makes the 7th copy of this post that I've received. :^( ME TOO>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself." Francis Crawford -----Original Message----- I just heard a hot rumor that Jim Pasha trashed his Boxster at this year's Porsche Parade. Anybody have any details? Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 10:45:54 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: Bruce Haden Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:37:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Porsche Parade??? It figures that Paul Foster would be at the bottom of this!!!!! If you haven't flamed him lately don't miss this chance. Mike(Privately posted hate mail is always welcome) B. 99cm Bruce Haden wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Linnhoff, Eric > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:56 AM > To: 'autox' > Subject: RE: Porsche Parade??? > > Aww Christ, here we go again. This makes the 7th copy of this post that > I've received. :^( > > ME TOO>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > 1998 Dodge Neon R/T > #69 DS #13 TLS > eric10mm@qni.com > > "To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself." > Francis Crawford > > -----Original Message----- > I just heard a hot rumor that Jim Pasha trashed his Boxster at this > year's Porsche Parade. Anybody have any details? > > Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 10:46:28 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Team.net'" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:33:40 -0700 Subject: I'm back I had to sign off when I went on vacation for a week. Did I miss anything good? Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 11:27:54 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:27:12 -0400 Subject: The DTN Nominee recap #2 Okay, so yas sez ya gonna vote "Real Soon! ©". Well, there are only five days left to vote. So exercise your rights. Please send your contributions to either the paypal URL below or the snail mail address. Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net The DTN Nominee recap: Nominee #2: David Hawkins suppose I'm the only one not to pony up some personal info so far....so here goes: I started autoxing in Seattle 4 years ago when I went to an event to meet up with a fellow MR2 owner. I plowed the course with my 89 Supercharged car and then came back the next week to get a ride with Glen Hernandez and get some insight into how it should really be done. I was hooked. I moved to Pensacola the month after my first autox and got involved with Gulf Coast Region right after I got settled. The first year was spent learning the car and attending as many events as I could. The second year I was appointed Solo II Co-Chair and made it my unofficial job to bring down the course speeds while making the courses themselves more technical (since no one was providing course maps, I figured I'd come up with some that favored my 112HP MR2). While Solo II Co-Chair, I championed the cause for a novice program and ride-alongs in the region (fruitlessly, but I fought the good fight). Last year I jumped to Dixie Region since I was running there every month anyway. I try to help out as I can, but being 3 hours from the site doesn't lend to my abilities in that area. I try to build up autoxing wherever I go, as I think it does have a direct impact in how good of a driver you are everyday life. I've chosen to stick with some of the most profoundly classed cars despite their weaknesses (93 Mr2 Turbo in ASP, 85 ITA Mr2 in CSP, 86 Mr2 in CSP, Toyota Cressida in EM), and pass on whatever setup information I learn to whoever happens to ask (and some who don't happen to). I still compete in Gulf Coast Region every month, and am still championing the need for ride-alongs, in addition to running in Dixie every month. When I can convince the SO to let me, I run Wiregrass too :) I was pretty strong in the running last year, but didn't want to create a conflict in my region (JD was from Dixie also) and it didn't look like Uncle Sam was going to give me time off anyway. Personal Background....I'm 31, with a BS from the Naval Academy in Aerospace Engineering. I resigned my commission last month after 10 years on active duty and look forward to some time of my own and the inevitable job hunt. Mr2s have been my passion since I bought my first new car, the 93 Turbo, in August of 1993. I've owned 14 of them and currently have bits and pieces of 7 parts cars scattered about the house in addition to the 93 in the garage and 86 which is in the middle of an engine rebuild. An 88 Supercharged car with an uncertain fate sits in the front yard. My first car was a 1966 Corvair, which I restored with my father and which now resides in his garage awaiting my purchase of a larger storage area. I pulled Dad into the SCCA at the final Divisional of 1998 when I bought him a membership for his birthday and surprised him with a co-drive when he came to watch me run. But...I'm rambling. I really enjoy this forum and hope that I add to it when I can. If you see fit to send me to nationals, I promise to wear a big DTN T shirt every day and shake the hand of every team.netter that I run across. I'll even keep a few cold ones in the Winnie for ya. David Hawkins 86 Mr2 CSP in pieces DTN hopeful From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 11:27:54 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:27:13 -0400 Subject: The DTN Nominee recap #3 Okay, so yas sez ya gonna vote "Real Soon! ©". Well, there are only five days left to vote. So exercise your rights. Please send your contributions to either the paypal URL below or the snail mail address. Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net The DTN Nominee recap: Nominee #3: Karl Rickert Gosh, I'm happy to be nominated I don't know where to begin. I was born a poor... never mind. I'm originally from East Tennessee, where I started honing my driving skills, by running the backroads and byways with the likes of Johnny Miller IV of Trans-am fame. But that's a whole other story. My first car was a 1971 Volvo 142E that was my father's B Sedan racecar. I replaced the bumpers and headlights and I was the envy of every 16 yr old in the county. I started autocrossing in the ETR Region at the tender age of 16, but was my father's pit crew at autocrosses and road races from the age of 10. Along with the Volvo I also owned a '67 Austin Mini, '58 Volvo 445, and a '76 Trans am, all before the age of 18. After "gradiating" from high school, I moved to Cleveland, TN and attended UTC in Chattanooga, working on a BS in Graphic Arts. I meet my wife of 15 yrs there and we moved to Florida a few years after we were married. We have 3 children ages 8, 19, & 18. I am currently employed at The Printing House Ltd in Quincy, FL as the Estimator. One of our sister companies is Homes & Land Magazines, which are produced and distributed nationwide. We moved to Tallahassee in 1992 and started autocrossing again in 1996 after a co-worker "gave" me the '74 Spider in drive today. I was able to capture the '97, '98 and '99 C-Stock Championship in The Dixie Region. I was worker of the year in '97 and Member of the year in '98 (or vice versa). I've always been active in the Region. In '97 I was elected as a board member and in '99 was elected Assistant Regional Executive. I'm always one of the first to arrive at the event, either setting up the trailer or registration table. My consistent worker position is that of an event supervisor, making sure all is fine and dandy in the area. You can also find me working the PA system from time to time (someone please take the mike away from me), but fellow DTN driver David Hawkins does a much better job;) Currently, I am the Sadie Solo Registrar for our Solo Divisional series. I am filling the shoes of one Ms. Brenda Ashburn, who will be missed at the events as an official. My current autocross car is a '74 Alfa Romeo Spider, while not the best looking (rusting away) or handling car in the world. It is an absolute blast to drive and watch! I'm often asked how I keep from dragging the door handles, when cornering hard. I was however able to capture the SADIE C-Stock Championship in '99 driving the ole Alfa! Currently I am preparing a '71 Dotson 510 for Solo and eventually road racing. I'd like to thank everyone on Team.net for their informative, if not always serious posts and Mark B. for hosting the service! I've been fortunate enough to meet the likes of Phil Either and his Lotus and was even able to arrange a ride at a "rally cross" in Minnesota a few years ago, by using Team.net! Did I mention my SADIE boss is Mass? So, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! And if elected the 2000 DTN, I promise octane boost in every tank, a new set of Hoosier's every year and not to bring up the twelve days of autocross ever again! I'll even bring JD Kemp with me for luck! Regards, See ya'll at the Ozark SADIE Divisional! Karl Rickert Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo Chairman Sadie Solo Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GET Dotson 510 TLS #25 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 11:27:54 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:27:12 -0400 Subject: The DTN Nominee recap #1 Okay, so yas sez ya gonna vote "Real Soon! ©". Well, there are only five days left to vote. So exercise your rights. Please send your contributions to either the paypal URL below or the snail mail address. Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net The DTN Nominee recap: Here is nominee #1: Ian McFetridge I was so surprised when I saw my nomination, that I didn't even have the information necessary to decide if I could accept or not. :-O Well, as of today, I know that I can get time off work, which had worried me because I do not have the necessary vacation days and I had a product release that has fortunately been pushed off until November. So, I grateful accept my nomination and offer a little bit of information about myself: Born Philadelphia, PA in 1969; moved to Orlando, FL in 1984, received a degree in Material Science and Engineering from the University of Florida (Go Gators!), completed some graduate work in BioMedical Engineering; took time off to work in industry. Moved to Boston in 1993 and worked for a Pharmaceutical company doing drug discovery and medical device development. Went into consulting in 1997 and moved to the Philadelphia area where I am now doing a little bit of everything to do with pharmaceutical technology and regulations. I've always been into sports, segueing from BMX racing to motocross dirt bike racing (man, I wish they had the Speed Freaks program back then), dropping back into mountain bike racing during the lean years of college and then graduating to my first "sports car" after college. When I was in Boston I replaced my boring Explorer with a Mitsubishi Eclipse and I've been boosting ever since. :-) Some of the local DSM tweakers invited me out to a dragstrip and I quickly began to modify my car, eventually dropping my quarter mile time down to 12.9 @ 106MPH. The straight line thing was fun, but I craved something more and followed some of the DSM guys out to this autocross thing I had been hearing about. A couple autocrosses and a trip to the Diamond Star Shootout in Ohio and I was hooked on autocrossing. I competed in my first season of autocross in 1999, unmodifying (reinstalling the stock boost controller, raising my 1/4 mile time to 13.9 @100 MPH, yikes!) my 1992 Eclipse GSX to compete in Philly's ESP class. I found the Philly Region to be chock full of nice folks willing to help a novice like myself learn the sport. I was so impressed with the camaraderie and the quality of the novice program that I started dragging every DSM and import racer that I knew to the local events. In the spirit of wanting to give a little back to our club, I became a safety steward and volunteered to assist a much more experienced autocrossing with the job of Chief Solo II safety steward in the Philly Region. At the end of the season I realized that my 130,000 mile DSM wasn't going to make it through another season, so I purchased a fairly modified 1997 Eclipse GSX (12.0@114MPH) with the intention of competing in this Street Touring Unlimited (now Street Modified) class that I had been hearing about. I helped-out as best I could with the rules so as to not preclude many of the local import and domestic drag racers and motorheads in general. Hopefully, this class will continue to grow as more street prepared folks install their subframe connectors and manual boost controllers. Thanks again for the nomination and seconds to the nomination. Please feel free to stop by and say hi to the tall guy in the white Eclipse at any Philly event, Northern New Jersey event, or the Divisional in Rome, NY. Best Regards, Ian McFetridge 92GSX Philly ESP, retired to commuter duties 97GSX Philly Region's Street Modified! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 11:30:30 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:29:12 -0400 Subject: DTN Voting Okay, so yas sez ya gonna vote "Real Soon! ©". Well, there are only five days left to vote. So exercise your rights. Send the vote with the header "DTN Vote" to my home domain below. Please send your contributions to either the paypal URL below or the snail mail address. Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 11:54:49 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:54:34 -0400 Subject: This is weak, was: DTN Voting I just did a quick count. Though I'm sworn to secrecy as to the individual totals, we have a grand total of 13 votes. This is out of 1300 Team.net posters lurkers and everyone else in between. You math whizzes can correct me, but I believe this is exactly one percent of our huddled mass. Weak. In case there is any confusion you do not have to donate to vote (but I won't stop you from contributing, either). So you kids get out there and vote, 'cause if you don't, no dessert tonight! Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > Okay, so yas sez ya gonna vote "Real Soon! ©". > > Well, there are only five days left to vote. So exercise your rights. > Send the vote with the header "DTN Vote" to my home domain > below. > > Please send your contributions to either the paypal URL below or > the snail mail address. > > Matt Murray > > Y2K DTN admin > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com > > 27 Old Mill Road > Westport, CT 06880-6622 > > mattm@optonline.net > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 12:22:05 2000 From: Don Miller To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: I'm back What, other than you taking second at the National Tour? And owning up to the "RX7 KLR" License plate! Now I guess it'll have to change to "360 KLR". Congrats. Don (Met you at the ProSolo in Wendover) Miller Must Go Faster Racing 69 Turbo V-6 Roadster --- "Isley, Jason C." wrote: > I had to sign off when I went on vacation for a > week. Did I miss > anything good? > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com > __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 12:33:03 2000 From: Eric W Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:27:00 -0400 Subject: Re: This is weak, was: DTN Voting Well...with 13 we know someone is in the lead, if you received 9 or 15 votes we'd all wonder if it's a 3-way tie : ) EC On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:54:34 -0400 "Matt Murray" writes: > I just did a quick count. Though I'm sworn to secrecy as to the > individual > totals, we have a grand total of 13 votes. This is out of 1300 > Team.net > posters lurkers and everyone else in between. You math whizzes can > correct > me, but I believe this is exactly one percent of our huddled mass. > > Weak. > > In case there is any confusion you do not have to donate to vote > (but I > won't stop you from contributing, either). > > So you kids get out there and vote, 'cause if you don't, no dessert > tonight! > > Matt Murray > > Y2K DTN admin > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com > > 27 Old Mill Road > Westport, CT 06880-6622 > ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 13:01:46 2000 From: "Jon Beerman" To: "'autox'" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:00:42 -0400 Subject: Labor Day Weekend Hi Everybody, I'm going to be visiting family in the Chicago area over Labor Day weekend. I see there's an AutoX scheduled at Route 66 Raceway on that Sunday. Can one of you Chicago types tell me if this place is worth the trouble of carting all of my stuff from Ohio just to run one day? I'm trying to get in a few extra days before heading to Topeka the next week. TIA, JHB #71 BSP From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 13:31:29 2000 From: "Michael Bullis" To: "'autox'" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:24:38 -0700 Subject: RE: Labor Day Weekend it's a roll of the dice. turn-outs have been huge in Joliet - if it goes smooth you _might_ get 5 runs. the surface is big and real grippy for asphalt (when clean). if rt 66 has a dirt track event or some other event on their dirt track that weekend (which is right next to the lot) it could be real slippery. it is a totally awesome place to race - which is probably why so many people show up. you will either have a total blast or leave really pissed... seems to be no in between hope to see you there mike From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 13:47:27 2000 From: Alek Tziortzis To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:45:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: colorado tour entry There are only 26 drivers listed as of July 31st for the tour in Colorado. There must either be a lot of procrastinators, or no one is showing up to that event. Alex 98 1LE From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 13:58:33 2000 From: Mark Darby To: "Isley, Jason C." , "'Team.net'" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: I'm back Hi Jennifer and Jason! Yeh, you missed out! We were talking about The Isleys awsome drive at Bermerton!!!!! I was working course while you were running and you looked awsome! I never got to tell you this at the event(since were always BSing about my spandex) but the race between you and Curt Ormiston was a thrill to watch! Congrats to you and Jennifer,who won by a mere .001 of a sec,in a very suspensefull SSL fight with Laura Molleker! WOW! Great Job you two! Mark(Rainman)Darby # 3 DS "GO TEAM SPANDEX" --- "Isley, Jason C." wrote: > I had to sign off when I went on vacation for a > week. Did I miss > anything good? > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com > __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 14:01:17 2000 From: "David Hawkins" To: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:00:06 -0500 Subject: DTN contributions Update on the PayPal contributions: There is a total of $100 in the DTN PayPal account. The following people have contributed via PayPal: Peter Mottaz Jason Suknot Jon Prevo Shawn Shumaker Rex Tener John Coffey Randy Chase Mari Clements To donate, send funds to drivertonationals@yahoo.com To sign up and get the DTN a $5 referral bonus, use this link and ensure that the above address is in the referral block: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com David 'please send me to nationals...I'm not above begging' Hawkins 86 Mr2 CSP in pieces TLS 15 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 14:25:28 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Mark Darby'" , Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:12:13 -0700 Subject: RE: I'm back Thanks man. Hey now that you are getting that Neon money you can buy some pants and ditch the spandex. I hope you are not going to make a habit of wearing that stuff to the events, we might be forced to kick in a dress code. ;) Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Darby [mailto:markds33@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:57 PM To: Isley, Jason C.; 'Team.net' Subject: Re: I'm back Hi Jennifer and Jason! Yeh, you missed out! We were talking about The Isleys awsome drive at Bermerton!!!!! I was working course while you were running and you looked awsome! I never got to tell you this at the event(since were always BSing about my spandex) but the race between you and Curt Ormiston was a thrill to watch! Congrats to you and Jennifer,who won by a mere .001 of a sec,in a very suspensefull SSL fight with Laura Molleker! WOW! Great Job you two! Mark(Rainman)Darby # 3 DS "GO TEAM SPANDEX" --- "Isley, Jason C." wrote: > I had to sign off when I went on vacation for a > week. Did I miss > anything good? > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com > __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 14:42:21 2000 From: "Murray, Matthew D." To: autox@autox.team.net, otgrouch@twosrus.com, Me , Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:38:00 -0400 Subject: DTN contributions And via snail mail is: Phil "The Phil's Big Adventure contestant & Original DTN" Either Matt Murray Vote today and make your vote count!! Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update on the PayPal contributions: There is a total of $100 in the DTN PayPal account. The following people have contributed via PayPal: Peter Mottaz Jason Suknot Jon Prevo Shawn Shumaker Rex Tener John Coffey Randy Chase Mari Clements To donate, send funds to drivertonationals@yahoo.com To sign up and get the DTN a $5 referral bonus, use this link and ensure that the above address is in the referral block: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com David 'please send me to nationals...I'm not above begging' Hawkins 86 Mr2 CSP in pieces TLS 15 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 15:13:09 2000 From: Jenaro Rodriguez To: "autox@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:10:02 -0700 Subject: Part for a Mikuni PHH-44 I'm hoping that somebody may know where I may find a part for a Mikuni Carburator. It's a PHH-44 Sidedraft. I've already contacted the few race shops that specialize in this carb (Rebello, Malvern Racing) with no luck. They get their parts from Mikuni America (whom I've also contacted) so that's not much help. The part I'm looking for is a pump nozzle #90. Apparently it's the largest size it comes in but fairly uncommon. Anyway the carb is going on a Mazda 12A rotary engine. If anybody has any leads I will be most grateful. Thanks, Jay '83 RX7 CSP From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 16:15:58 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Matt Murray" , "Teamdotnet" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:13:08 -0500 Subject: Re: The DTN Nominee recap #3 mattm@optonline.net Put me down for: Karl Rickert Phil "The original DTN" Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 16:14:49 2000 From: "Ryan, John - WINDD" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:13:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Proposed classifiactions..2yr results (VERY LONG!) Hello All, Mark Darby (markds33@yahoo.com) wrote: >To whom it may concern: >Regarding the classification of the Neon in Class 5 I >have compiled two years worth of results comparing the >Neon's time to the cars in the proposed class. Here >are my findings: >The events that had no entrants were thrown out and no >consideration to different weather conditions were >given. >The D Stock heading means the time for the fastest >Neon. The G Stock heading means the fastest time >for:Type R,Turbo Eclipse/Talon,Camaro,Corrado(ie >current G Stock cars) >The average time differential for 1999 was G Stock >cars faster on average by .617 of a second. >The average time differential for 2000,so far,is 2.178 >seconds that the G Stock cars have the advantage! Mark's e-mail finally gave me the impetus to do some data digging that I've been meaning to do to support a theory I had about what these results would really show. Here is an updated listing - Mark missed some of the fast GS cars that ran National Series in '99 and I've added driver/car info as well. This should look OK in a fixed width font. 1999 D Stock G Stock ---- ------- ------- Ft. Meyers Pro 72.801 73.530 (+0.729) Daddio McIver/Eclipse 73.379 (+0.151) Leverone San Bernardino Pro 69.759 68.570 (-1.181) Molleker Bauer/TypeR Atwater Pro 62.869 62.545 (-0.324) Molleker Smith/TypeR Peru Pro 80.945 81.324 (+0.379) Zoner Stratton/Eclipse 81.147 (+0.177) Daddio Petersburg Pro 61.884 62.627 (+0.743) Daddio Stratton/Eclipse 62.349 (+0.278) Miller Harrisburg Pro 56.001 56.856 (+0.855) Daddio McIver/Eclipse 57.020 (-0.164) Zoner Seattle Pro 80.348 79.273 (-1.075) Fauth Bauer/TypeR Wendover Pro 62.287 60.918 (-1.369) Daddio Bauer/TypeR 62.839 (-1.921) Molleker Finale Pro 62.266 62.617 (+0.351) Daddio Bauer/TypeR 63.531 (-0.914) Collins Meridian N.T. 101.568 101.441 (-0.127) Leverone Goeke/Eclipse San Diego N.T. 127.440 125.901 (-1.539) Molleker Bauer/TypeR Fort Worth N.T. 150.611 148.405 (-2.206) Collins Bellamy/Camaro Ayer N.T. 88.298 91.192 (+2.894) Daddio Bellom/Camaro 89.918 (+1.274) Washburn Evansville N.T. 85.972 86.163 (+0.191) Hughes Ledford/Eclipse Seattle N.T. 81.774 80.279 (-1.495) Molleker Bauer/TypeR Fountain N.T. 126.922 123.459 (-3.463) Fauth Bauer/TypeR Nationals 120.156 121.480 (+1.324) Daddio Endicott/TypeR 122.469 (-0.989) Molleker 2000 D Stock G Stock ---- ------- ------- Ft. Meyers Pro 74.327 74.418 (+0.091) Shields Stratton/Eclipse San Bernardino Pro 71.318 67.284 (-4.034) Szabo McCormick/TypeR Lemoore Pro 69.670 67.179 (-2.491) Darby McCormick/TypeR Peru Pro 77.190 75.197 (-1.993) Couture McIver/Eclipse Petersburg Pro 58.652 56.756 (-1.896) Miller McIver/Eclipse Harrisburg Pro 60.980 59.768 (-1.212) Zoner Stratton/Eclipse Wendover Pro 62.977 60.564 (-2.413) Miller McCormick/TypeR Meridian N.T. 106.836 106.326 (-0.510) Wright Ledford/Eclipse San Diego N.T. 119.193 117.232 (-1.961) Hamilton Smith/TypeR Fort Worth N.T. 145.651 140.440 (-5.211) Collins Smith/TypeR Ayer N.T. 119.437 120.062 (+0.625) Zoner Saini/Corrado Peru N.T. 92.662 92.115 (-0.547) Hughes Wilson/Prelude Bremerton N.T. 99.565 95.868 (-3.697) Darby McCormick/TypeR AVERAGE MARGINS --------------- 1999 ALL 17 EVENTS: w/Daddio: -0.324 (GS ahead) w/o Daddio: -0.772 (GS ahead more) 1999 ONLY THE 8 EVENTS THAT DADDIO RAN: w/Daddio: +0.713 (DS ahead!) w/o Daddio: -0.238 (GS ahead!) 1999 ONLY THE 9 EVENTS THAT DADDIO DIDN'T RUN: -1.247 (GS way ahead) 2000 ALL EVENTS (No Daddio): -1.942 (GS in another county) Yes, there is no accounting for weather and course favoritism, and yes, there is probably a better way of looking at it other than average raw time differential, but I think some points can be drawn. If you look at the '99 results, it is apparent that Daddio is inhuman! ;-) Seriously, I hate to single him out like this (he is human, and he can be beat, as shown above), but his presence skews the results remarkably. While the overall '99 average is slightly in GS's favor, with Mark removed, the average margin jumps from .324 to .772 - a significant difference I think even though lots of variables are uncontrolled/unaccounted for. Looking at only the events Mark did or did not run is even more telling: with him running, DS wins those 8 events by an average of .713 without him, GS wins those same 8 events by .238. So, should the Neons to the new 'Class 5'? Well, someone asked a while back if it's any different to get beat by Daddio by 2 sec. or beat by McCormick/Stratton/etc by 2 sec. Theoretically, no, but when you get beat that bad by Daddio (I have some experience here :), you KNOW it is something you could do with better set-up and skill. It gives you a target to shoot for that is attainable. It is going to take a heroic effort for someone to match Daddio's performance (without having him as a benchmark), and run a Neon competitively against the type R's and DSM's. Plus, are the GS cars getting quicker with better set-up? Could even Daddio catch them now? I don't know. Have fun, John Ryan ryan@ctc.com DS/Neon ACR tongue in cheek epilogue: I have another theory - Chrysler is engineering the SCAC restructure! Why? They want all the DS Neons to go to ST and kick butt there so Chrysler can claim victory over all the imports! Much better marketing! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 16:57:18 2000 From: Mark Darby To: "Isley, Jason C." , "'Team.net'" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: I'm back....now TEAM SPANDEX! Hi Jason! I have been very fortunate, that win has put me at about the $4000.00 mark! Sadly,for eveyone else,I wear the spandex to gross my competition out...worked this weekend! Mark(Rainman)Darby # 3 DS --- "Isley, Jason C." wrote: > Thanks man. Hey now that you are getting that Neon > money you can buy > some pants and ditch the spandex. I hope you are not > going to make a habit > of wearing that stuff to the events, we might be > forced to kick in a dress > code. ;) > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Darby [mailto:markds33@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:57 PM > To: Isley, Jason C.; 'Team.net' > Subject: Re: I'm back > > > Hi Jennifer and Jason! > Yeh, you missed out! We were talking about The > Isleys > awsome drive at Bermerton!!!!! > I was working course while you were running and you > looked awsome! I never got to tell you this at the > event(since were always BSing about my spandex) but > the race between you and Curt Ormiston was a thrill > to > watch! Congrats to you and Jennifer,who won by a > mere > .001 of a sec,in a very suspensefull SSL fight with > Laura Molleker! WOW! > Great Job you two! > Mark(Rainman)Darby > # 3 DS > "GO TEAM SPANDEX" > > --- "Isley, Jason C." wrote: > > I had to sign off when I went on vacation for a > > week. Did I miss > > anything good? > > > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > > jason.isley@alltel.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 17:11:21 2000 From: "Murray, Matthew D." To: mattm@optonline.net, autox@autox.team.net, pethier@isd.net Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:09:00 -0400 Subject: Re: The DTN Voting Process Phil: You're not good with rules are you (especially mine). :^) So much for the secret ballot. To those who have yet to vote (you know who are), there is no need to publically place your choice for all to see on Team.net. You are invited to send it privately, or expose yourself to the normal T.N ridicule. :^) After my "Weak" post, I've see many votes come in. When I file your vote, I will send a reply to you saying something to the effect of "Your vote was received. Thanks." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Blabbed: Put me down for: Karl Rickert Phil "The original DTN" Ethier --------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are only five days left to vote. So exercise your rights. Send the vote with the header "DTN Vote" to my home domain below. Please send your contributions to either the paypal URL below or the snail mail address. Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 17:32:05 2000 From: "Murray, Matthew D." To: Teamdotnet Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:29:00 -0400 Subject: Re: The DTN Voting Process Replies I haven't been at the home computer since 2:30 eastern, so I haven't replied to anything since then, and won't be back there until the wee mornin' hours. Additionally, after midday on Friday I won't respond to votes until late Sunday and possibly Monday (the last voting day), due to my attendance at the Northeast Divisional slugfest in Rome, NY at Griffiss (former) AFB, home to last year's Woodstock burn-a-thon. Look for me in the Mosh pit. I'll have the Eddie Irvine/Tommy Kendall/Jacques Villenuvue/Jeff Reitmeyer/Jeff Altenburg/Nicky Hayden (no wait, it's not that bad) Hairdoo. :^) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I blabbed: After my "Weak" post, I've see many votes come in. When I file your vote, I will send a reply to you saying something to the effect of "Your vote was received. Thanks." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are only five days left to vote. So exercise your rights. Send the vote with the header "DTN Vote" to my home domain below. Please send your contributions to either the paypal URL below or the snail mail address. Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 19:27:50 2000 From: Eric Moon To: "Murray, Matthew D." , Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:21:50 -0400 Subject: Re: The DTN Voting Process Replies At 07:29 PM 8/2/00 -0400, Murray, Matthew D. wrote: >have the Eddie Irvine/Tommy Kendall/Jacques Villenuvue/Jeff Reitmeyer/Jeff >Altenburg/Nicky Hayden (no wait, it's not that bad) Hairdoo. :^) > You forgot Paul Tracy. You and I had better not stand next to each other or people will get us confused :-) Eric (Blonde before Eddie did it) Eric Moon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2000 Pennsylvania State Solo II Champion - G Stock ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Co-Driver - Team Wasabi G Stock '00 Acura Type R '92 Miata - D Prepared Wannabe e-mail: info@scca-susq.com pager: 7173297074@mobile.att.net Appalachian Sports Car Club www.scca-susq.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 19:49:29 2000 From: "Murray, Matthew D." To: "Murray, Matthew D." , autox@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:46:00 -0400 Subject: Re: The DTN Voting Process Replies I was refering to real drivers. Not ones who take out their teammates every other race. How does he get a contract to crash cars all season? I gotta get a hold of his agent. :^) Matt "Blonde in fall of '96, long before those followers" Murray --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Moon The DTN admin wrote: >have the Eddie Irvine/Tommy Kendall/Jacques Villenuvue/Jeff Reitmeyer/Jeff >Altenburg/Nicky Hayden (no wait, it's not that bad) Hairdoo. :^) > You forgot Paul Tracy. Eric (Blonde before Eddie did it) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 20:20:05 2000 From: JVHT@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net (Autocross List) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:18:53 EDT Subject: Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Nationals Warm-up Special Event: Sept. 2 & 3, 2000 Nationals Open Practice - Open to everybody, even if you are not going to the SCCA Nationals. Make plans to attend. We need at least 30 people to attend this event in order to have it. The cost for the weekend will be $25 including FREE lunch both days. If you plan to attend, please e-mail back to me or call in the evenings at 1-941-731-1550. We must have at least 30 entries to hold this, so let me know as soon as possible. Don't forget Event # 7 will be September 9 & 10, Be there for the 5th. Anniversary Party, Chicken BBQ on Sunday, Free Goodies and Door Prizes Dave Hutter dhutter@aol.com Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Website From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 20:36:19 2000 From: Bill Sanford To: autox Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:33:26 -0700 Subject: DTN Lobbying? I for one would have to vote for Karl Rickert as DTN. Primarily to perpetuate the idea of the lone "odd" car against the "odds". (See past TVR history). Viva Alfa!?? C-stock, be careful, we are the silent mosses.....er..masses. The weird,offshoot,loner,rare,kit,fast,car club! Bill Sanford- charter member (The TVR may not make it this year :( ) _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 22:27:57 2000 From: Jeff Cashmore To: "team.net" Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:27:39 -0500 Subject: Wash NT info? Does anyone have an event report from the Seattle NT? The results at http://www.scca.org/amateur/nat_tour/2000/seattle/results.html look interesting. Not everyday you see a 1999 Ferrari 360 Modena win SS. Lot's of top names in various cars all within one second of each other. SSL decided by .001 after two days? Did the Phantom break or did it rain? HP or 'handling' course? Thanks, -- Jeff Cashmore http://www.spec-rx7.org = Spec Rx7 info From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 23:21:51 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Murray, Matthew D." , , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:24:58 -0500 Subject: Re: The DTN Voting Process From: Murray, Matthew D. >You're not good with rules are you (especially mine). :^) Nor with pushing the correct buttons on the keyboard, apparently. Apologies to all I may have offended. Phil "Butterfingers Irving" Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 23:31:18 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: , , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:35:29 -0500 Subject: North Carolina folks. Are Joe Worsely and Jamie Palmer on the net? I'd like to talk to them or any other North Carolina folks about a car between Winston-Salem and Raleigh. Send private mail to me, please. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 23:34:27 2000 From: "Ron Bauer" To: "Jeff Cashmore" , "team.net" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:38:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Wash NT info? We had a great time at the Tour. The weather was outstanding, around 80 - 85 both days, clear sky. Curt did do very well in the Ferrari, and to be honest, I'm surprised there hasn't been more traffic on this. The competition was good all weekend. AS was again well subscribed with a number of very good drivers here. I'd say the course had a little of both handlind and horsepower, with one section at the top of 2nd gear in a left/right sweeper, followed by a turn around that was 1st gear in the S2000. Unfortunately, the Phantom broke it's drive belt as Gary tried to start onto the course on Sunday. He paxed everyone by about 1.5 seconds on Saturday! It was absolutely amazing (as it always is) to see them running the car on Saturday! Ron Bauer Y2K S2K -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cashmore To: team.net Date: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 9:30 PM Subject: Wash NT info? >Does anyone have an event report from the Seattle NT? The results at >http://www.scca.org/amateur/nat_tour/2000/seattle/results.html look >interesting. Not everyday you see a 1999 Ferrari 360 Modena win SS. >Lot's of top names in various cars all within one second of each other. >SSL decided by .001 after two days? Did the Phantom break or did it >rain? HP or 'handling' course? > >Thanks, >-- >Jeff Cashmore >http://www.spec-rx7.org = Spec Rx7 info > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 02:43:57 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:45:02 -0400 Subject: relisted Hoosier Radials My last buyer backed out of the purchase of my 255.50.16 Hoosier radials, these tires have been sold twice and both buyers backed out, I am willing to sell them to the first buyer willing to pay $200 plus shipping or best offer! I will deliver them for free to new jersey, eastern Pennsylvania, New York, or Delaware!!!!! I can't use them and they are in great condition! They have like 20 runs worth of wear on them. Take them please, I need the space... If no offers come in by close of business Friday, I will put them back on ebay AGAIN!!! Jeff Lloyd From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 04:03:19 2000 From: JVHT@aol.com To: washburn@dwave.net, autox@autox.team.net (Autocross List) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:58:41 EDT Subject: Re: Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Nationals Warm-up In a message dated 8/2/00 11:31:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, washburn@dwave.net writes: > JVHT@aol.com wrote: > > > > Special Event: Sept. 2 & 3, 2000 > > This is a Nation wide mailing list...you did not say where this event is > going to be held. > > Pat > Ooops! That is what I get for being in a hurry forwarding our club president's announcement without proofing it. The event is being held at Buckingham Airfield in Ft. Myers, Florida. I added our website link at the bottom of the post. Did it come through??? Just in case it did not, our website address is: http://www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com Thanks, John Taylor Webmaster@ Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Website From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 06:55:09 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: tvrdude@netzero.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:53:08 GMT Subject: Re: DTN Lobbying? >From: Bill Sanford >I for one would have to vote for Karl Rickert as DTN. Primarily to >perpetuate the idea of the lone "odd" car against the "odds". (See >past TVR history). Viva Alfa!?? C-stock, be careful, we are the >silent >mosses.....er..masses. Thank you Bill for the vote of confidence, the Alfa may not be the most competitive car in the class (not even close) but, is definetly and attention getter. I can imaging the thoughts going through peoples heads like...what dumb f* brought that thing to Nationals? Let's just hope I'm not as slow as moss ;) GO TEAM LAUGHING STOCK! Hey, does this mean if I go to Nationals I have to replace the "Team Laughing Stock" windshield banner with a Tire Rack one? We need an exception here don't ya think? Karl Rickert Y2K DTN "Wanna-be" Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 07:33:55 2000 From: GSMnow@aol.com To: jbeerman@megsinet.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:31:34 EDT Subject: Re: Labor Day Weekend Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:00:42 -0400 From: "Jon Beerman" << I'm going to be visiting family in the Chicago area over Labor Day weekend. I see there's an AutoX scheduled at Route 66 Raceway on that Sunday. Can one of you Chicago types tell me if this place is worth the trouble of carting all of my stuff from Ohio just to run one day? I'm trying to get in a few extra days before heading to Topeka the next week. >> I'll agree with Mike's reply for the most part. The lot is huge and we get a solid 60 secnd course depending on who designs it. The surface is a very smooth asphault with no poles. If there has not been a dirt track race grip is quite good, but if there was one, it will be slick for the first heat or so. We run 4 heayts, and each entrant runs in either evens or odds, so if you are stuck with the first heat, you should get at least 2 more tries in the third heat after most of the dirt is brushed off. Our turnout at Rt. 66 has been running well over 150 cars, and we did get stuck with just 3 runs once, we usually get 4 or 5 there, and did manage 6 runs a couple times. When we only got three, we had trouble with getting 185 cars with alot of first timers entered into the computer and such. For some reason, Rt. 66 tends to draw people we never see anywhere else, and many new people coming to their first ever autocross. Not that this is a bad thing, excelpt that they sometimes do hold things up with a re-run or whatever. But as we should, we try to help out the newbies and get them up to speed. I would recomend pre-registering and get there early if you want a good padock space. With the slow operation from the huge turnouts, there is talk of enforcing our 150 car limit. Not sure how that went as I missed the last CR SCCA meeting. Gary M. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 07:42:43 2000 From: "David Hawkins" To: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:41:37 -0500 Subject: DTN contributions Update on the PayPal contributions: There is a total of $190 in the DTN PayPal account. The following people have contributed via PayPal: Steven Ashcraft Jay Mitchell Kevin Stevens William Ozinga Peter Mottaz Jason Suknot Jon Prevo Shawn Shumaker Rex Tener John Coffey Randy Chase Mari Clements To donate, send funds to drivertonationals@yahoo.com To sign up and get the DTN a $5 referral bonus, use this link and ensure that the above address is in the referral block: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com David 'please, please, please send me to nationals' Hawkins 86 Mr2 CSP in pieces TLS 15 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 07:52:45 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:50:53 EDT Subject: Fwd: Good directions for Peru Event Sight-Labor Day --part1_36.9917b88.26bad2bd_boundary Here again are directions for the site for the Labor Day Pre-Nationals Warm up being put on by Evolution Performance Driving School-McKamey Autocross Division. Assc. sponsors for this event are Kumho Tire, Sapp Performance Center, Walter's Jewelry (Tommy Pulliam) and Strano Performance Center. Instructors again are Jean Kinser Dean Sapp Sam Strano Pete Calhoun Tommy Pulliam John Thomas Pat Salerno Chris Lindberg GH Sharp Remember to look for the water tower and all the cones and signs we hope to put up. We've got entries coming from all parts of the Midwest, Southeast, and East for this so, this should be alot of fun. Segment times, 8 hours of seat time offered to you as an individual...don't miss out..only a few spots open, and I am still waiting for a couple people's checks to get here.... Last posting on this...tomorrow is deadline for checks to be marked for. Jean Kinser 216 East Kelly Park Rd. Apopka, Fl 32712 407-889-7207 Come be part of what I hope to be the start of an annual event! --part1_36.9917b88.26bad2bd_boundary Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb05.mail.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:27:26 -0400 Received: from teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (teamfat2.dsl.aros.net [207.173.21.42]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (v75.18) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:26:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (nobody@localhost) by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19099; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:22:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19074 for autox-actors; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: From: "Moore, John" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Subject: Good directions for Peru Event Sight Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:28:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-autox@autox.team.net Reply-To: "Moore, John" There are some good directions for getting to the Peru event sight at http://www.tsscc.org/. These directions indicate: "The entrance to Grissom Aeroplex is off of Route 31. If you come from the North you will see a large sign and an exit off of Route 31 for Grissom Aeroplex-DO NOT FOLLOW THAT SIGN!!!! Stay on Route 31 going South and look for a water tower. The entrance that we MUST use is the same entrance for the correctional facility and close to the water tower. Once you turn off of Route 31 follow the pointer cones to paddock. DO NOT ENTER GRISSOM AEROPLEX FROM ANY OTHER ENTRANCE!!!" One addition I would make to these is that after turning by the water tower, take the first right, which is really close, then take the next left and you should be heading towards the entry gates, if memory serves me correctly. Also, for those who wonder, as I did, before going to Peru the first time, there is a Clark gas station very close (1/4 mi) to the event site that also has a Subway Sandwich shop, a TCBY Frozen Yogurt and a large "general store". Following these directions seemed to work for the Peru NT. Hope this helps others as well. John Moore 1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R (STS) 1993 Toyota MR2 NA (CS) "I dont want the statistics, just the truth!" --part1_36.9917b88.26bad2bd_boundary-- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 08:10:24 2000 From: "Burns, James B." To: autox Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:08:57 -0400 Subject: Will Street Mod grow? It looks to me as if Street Mod has been fairly popular this year. Do others think it has been successful? Has there been any talk of expanding SM in the near future to include a class for 2-seater cars (CRXes with Integra motors, forced induction Miatas, MR2 Turbos with boost controllers, etc.)? Brad Burns From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 08:20:36 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Karl Rickert'" , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:18:18 -0500 Subject: RE: DTN Lobbying? Silly man. The Team Laughing Stock decal goes on the back window, where the competition can get a good look at it. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself." Francis Crawford -----Original Message----- GO TEAM LAUGHING STOCK! Hey, does this mean if I go to Nationals I have to replace the "Team Laughing Stock" windshield banner with a Tire Rack one? We need an exception here don't ya think? From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 08:32:10 2000 From: "Richard Atkins" To: "'Burns, James B.'" , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:46:03 -0500 Subject: RE: Will Street Mod grow? Define popular, four Cendiv BFG events this year total of 16 cars, average of 4 per event, low was 1, high was 7. I understood the one of the main reasons for STS, STR, SM was to bring new people to the events, I think this has been very sucessful in STS and STR but many of the cars that run SM appear to be experenced autocrosses who have just moved their car to a different class. Lets see what goes at Nationals this year before we start adding classes. -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Burns, James B. Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 9:09 AM To: autox Subject: Will Street Mod grow? It looks to me as if Street Mod has been fairly popular this year. Do others think it has been successful? Has there been any talk of expanding SM in the near future to include a class for 2-seater cars (CRXes with Integra motors, forced induction Miatas, MR2 Turbos with boost controllers, etc.)? Brad Burns From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 09:26:47 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:25:04 GMT Subject: RE: DTN Lobbying? >From: "Linnhoff, Eric" >Silly man. The Team Laughing Stock decal goes on the back window, >where >the competition can get a good look at it. ;^) Silly me, now I have to figure out how to do it on a convertible with the top down. Back bumber? Karl Rickert Y2K DTN "Wanna-be" Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister >-----Original Message----- >GO TEAM LAUGHING STOCK! > >Hey, does this mean if I go to Nationals I have to replace the "Team >Laughing Stock" windshield banner with a Tire Rack one? We need an >exception > >here don't ya think? > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 09:29:11 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:22:48 -0500 Subject: Seeking Strzelec, Robinson, Scharnberg Looking for Wally, Robbie & Sam - Please contact me! Roger Johnson (Ohio) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 09:28:26 2000 From: "Brian Beckman" To: nwautox@wwscc.org, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:27:44 PDT Subject: Physics and Macintoshes "this is a test, this is only a test" if anyone has a few spare cycles, would he or she be so kind as to try to access my attempts at Mac stuffit files containing recent articles? I have ONE report that they do not work. To wit http://www.geocities.com/brianbec6/phors014.sit http://www.geocities.com/brianbec6/phors015.sit http://www.geocities.com/brianbec6/phors016.sit these files supposedly contain DjVu files (along with other stuff). DjVu plugins for Macintoshes can be acquired for free at http://www.lizardtech.com t.i.a. ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 09:42:01 2000 From: "David Hawkins" To: "Karl Rickert" , , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:41:12 -0500 Subject: Re: DTN Lobbying? > >Silly man. The Team Laughing Stock decal goes on the back window, >where > >the competition can get a good look at it. ;^) > > Silly me, now I have to figure out how to do it on a convertible with the > top down. Back bumber? Last time I saw your top up....it still didn't have a back window. :P Too big of a chance the bumper would fall off with all that rust....how about the tail lamps? David 'I wanna be DTN! PLEASE!' Hawkins 86 Mr2 CSP in pieces TLS 15 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 09:56:11 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:55:04 EDT Subject: disposable trash cans??? Where can I find the bag-in-a-box disposable trash cans? I've seen them at past Tour events and need some for an upcoming Divisional. TIA, Mark Sipe SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 10:33:19 2000 From: Mark Darby To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reclassification.......What will happen in STS? Hi Team! I just had the question run through my mind. Since the Type R and the DSM(whatever that stands for)Turbos are not currently allowed in STS ,with the proposed changes,will they be? Or will the NEON no longer be eligable for STS? When they created the class STS,they had the where-with-all not to place the NEONS with the Type R's or DSM Turbos, how come they decided that the cars should become classmates in their stock forms? Any info would be greatly appreciated as it will be included in my 37th email to the SCCA regarding the reclassifications. Mark(Rainman)Darby # 3 DS __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 11:12:26 2000 From: "Brian Beckman" To: brianbec6@hotmail.com, nwautox@wwscc.org, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:10:40 PDT Subject: Re: Physics and Macintoshes fascinating. i have * three reports of "A-Ok", * one of "good enough but not perfect", and * two reports of "doesn't work". not a landslide, but not a Pyrrhic victory either. so, i declare victory and hope the "doesn't work" people can sort it out and let me know if there's anything i can do to accommodate Macintoshes better in the future. >From: "Brian Beckman" >To: nwautox@wwscc.org, autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Physics and Macintoshes >Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:27:44 PDT > >"this is a test, this is only a test" > >if anyone has a few spare cycles, would he or she be so kind as to try to >access my attempts at Mac stuffit files containing recent articles? I have >ONE report that they do not work. To wit > >http://www.geocities.com/brianbec6/phors014.sit >http://www.geocities.com/brianbec6/phors015.sit >http://www.geocities.com/brianbec6/phors016.sit > >these files supposedly contain DjVu files (along with other stuff). DjVu >plugins for Macintoshes can be acquired for free at >http://www.lizardtech.com > >t.i.a. >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 11:44:43 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:49:17 -0400 Subject: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures Hey everyone, anyone with a ford explorer or any other SUV that uses OEM firestone tires please be warned they have been experiencing catastrophic failures, there are 50 deaths so far from failed tires, and at least 500 incidents of sudden complete blowout with no warning signs in the U.S. alone!!! This affects the wilderness lines and the ATX lines in all sizes, possibly more!! So go and check your tow vehicles, check with firestone, and Ford has released a statement since all ford exploders sold recently came with "know to be bad" tires!!! This is a life or death situation please heed my warning and take proper actions ASAP!!! Jeff Lloyd From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 12:39:51 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net, BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:37:33 EDT Subject: SWDiv ---> SEDiv event Apparently the SWDiv event scheduled for the same date of Aug. 12 - 13 as the SEDiv event was moved. If anyone from the SWDiv is interested in attending the SEDiv event in Ozark, AL we will wave the late fee through Aug. 9, which to be fair we will waive for everyone. Just point your browser to the SEDiv Solo2 website for links to the event flier, hotel info, car number/entry list, online registration, etc. at: http://www.eec.com/sediv Listed below is a repeat of the prior web notice: The 2000 BFGoodrich Team T-A SEDiv Solo2 Series will have it's first *uncancelled* event on Aug. 12 - 13 in Ozark, AL; we currently have 122 pre-registered entrants. Unfortunately, pressing work responsibilities have still prevented us from updating the SEDiv Solo2 website with the event mailer listing. However we do have the more important info; directions, hotel info, etc. listed there in addition to on-line registration, car number allocation, and the event entry-list links. The SEDiv website can be accessed at: http://www.eec.com/sediv A special note of thanks to the Middle Georgia Region for demonstrating true SCCA team spirit by offering us the use of their trailer, back-up timing system, PA system, generator, etc. Please note the following event info: DO NOT come to the event site before 6:00 pm Friday. Even though the site gate is open we are not allowed general access before this time, as this is an active military site. The course design has already been laid out and marked which should allow us to set it up quickly. We will be allowing additional course walking time Saturday am before starting the event. The Holiday Inn on US Hwy 231 in Ozark, AL is the official event hotel. We have rooms blocked thru July 28 for $50-night which includes a full hot breakfast for 2-people per room in their restaurant; call 334-774-7300 for reservations or contact me if you need an alternate hotel at 334-324-1701. The event site's concrete surface is known for being abrasive; be sure to bring good tires to compete on. Portions of the course will also be running on the adjacent asphalt runways; expect a sweeping, windy course in the 50 - 60 second run-time range that is both safe and challenging. August can be a very hot time of year for southern Alabama; please be sure to bring any shade you may own and plan to have lots of fluids on hand. Lunch will be served on-site both days compliments of Jean Kinser's Evolution Performance Driving School. Please contact me with any questions or concerns, Mark Sipe SCCA SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 12:52:20 2000 From: "John Gross" To: TeamZ3@aol.com, solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net, Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:50:47 GMT Subject: Re: SWDiv ---> SEDiv event Yes, the SWDiv event was this past weekend. >From: TeamZ3@aol.com >Reply-To: TeamZ3@aol.com >To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net, >BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com >Subject: SWDiv ---> SEDiv event >Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:37:33 EDT > >Apparently the SWDiv event scheduled for the same date of Aug. 12 - 13 as >the >SEDiv event was moved. If anyone from the SWDiv is interested in attending >the SEDiv event in Ozark, AL we will wave the late fee through Aug. 9, >which >to be fair we will waive for everyone. Just point your browser to the >SEDiv >Solo2 website for links to the event flier, hotel info, car number/entry >list, online registration, etc. at: > >http://www.eec.com/sediv > >Listed below is a repeat of the prior web notice: > >The 2000 BFGoodrich Team T-A SEDiv Solo2 Series will have it's first >*uncancelled* event on Aug. 12 - 13 in Ozark, AL; we currently have 122 >pre-registered entrants. Unfortunately, pressing work responsibilities >have still prevented us from updating the SEDiv Solo2 website with the >event >mailer listing. However we do have the more important info; directions, >hotel info, etc. listed there in addition to on-line registration, car >number >allocation, and the event entry-list links. The SEDiv website can be >accessed at: > >http://www.eec.com/sediv > >A special note of thanks to the Middle Georgia Region for demonstrating >true >SCCA team spirit by offering us the use of their trailer, back-up timing >system, PA system, generator, etc. > >Please note the following event info: > >DO NOT come to the event site before 6:00 pm Friday. Even though the site >gate is open we are not allowed general access before this time, as this is >an active military site. The course design has already been laid out and >marked which should allow us to set it up quickly. We will be allowing >additional course walking time Saturday am before starting the event. > >The Holiday Inn on US Hwy 231 in Ozark, AL is the official event hotel. We >have rooms blocked thru July 28 for $50-night which includes a full hot >breakfast for 2-people per room in their restaurant; call 334-774-7300 for >reservations or contact me if you need an alternate hotel at 334-324-1701. > >The event site's concrete surface is known for being abrasive; be sure to >bring good tires to compete on. Portions of the course will also be >running >on the adjacent asphalt runways; expect a sweeping, windy course in the 50 >- >60 second run-time range that is both safe and challenging. > >August can be a very hot time of year for southern Alabama; please be sure >to >bring any shade you may own and plan to have lots of fluids on hand. >Lunch >will be served on-site both days compliments of Jean Kinser's Evolution >Performance Driving School. > >Please contact me with any questions or concerns, > >Mark Sipe >SCCA SEDiv Solo2 Steward ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 13:26:05 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: Jeff Lloyd , Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:25:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures Jeff lloyd stated (and overstated)... > Hey everyone, anyone with a ford explorer or any other SUV that uses OEM > firestone tires please be warned they have been experiencing catastrophic > failures, there are 50 deaths so far from failed tires, and at least 500 > incidents of sudden complete blowout with no warning signs in the U.S. > alone!!! This affects the wilderness lines and the ATX lines in all sizes, > possibly more!! So go and check your tow vehicles, check with firestone, > and Ford has released a statement since all ford exploders sold recently > came with "know to be bad" tires!!! This is a life or death situation > please heed my warning and take proper actions ASAP!!! What's your source for those numbers? USA Today says... > NHTSA says it has reports of 21 deaths and 193 crashes involving those tires. While I don't want to say there isn't a problem with the tires, I wonder how many of those incidents are due to underinflation, which seems to the main cause of "just blew with no warning." On top of that, add in the possibility that the Ford Explorer could be a bit on the tippy side, you have a recipe for a problem. (Add in my pet peeve - how many were on the phone at the time?) How often do you think people *really* check their tire pressure? Ford did issue a tech bulletin when the Explorers first came out telling dealers and tire dealers not to put any tires other than light truck all-terrain style tires on them, as the vehicle wasn't designed to handle any increase in cornering power. Any connection? I wonder how many problems the same tires have been involved in on the more stable Subaru Forester? ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 13:45:09 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Bill Ozinga'" , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:43:26 -0500 Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures It's all a big Japanese conspiracy. Their little plan to take over the US through an invasion by their Canadian branch (betcha didn't know _that_)failed miserably so now they're pissed off and are going to try to kill us off one at a time via bad tires (apparently through their Bridgestone branch) and low quality bootleg CDs. I think they chose wisely by selecting the SUV drivers to knock off first. ;^) And doesn't everybody check their tire pressure at least twice a week? Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself." Francis Crawford From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 13:49:04 2000 From: "Murray, Matthew D." To: Teamdotnet Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:46:00 -0400 Subject: Re: The DTN Voting Process I don't think anyone was offended, especially karl. :^) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Apologies to all I may have offended. Phil "Butterfingers Irving" Ethier From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 13:53:50 2000 From: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com To: Mark Darby Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:45:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Reclassification.......What will happen in STS? The stock classes and ST (S or R) have nothing to do with each other. ST has everything from 3 series BMW's to zero HP econoboxes. The classes have NO correlation at all. Keep in mind that all limited slips (except viscous) and all turbo cars are DISallowed in ST - regardless of the HP of size of the motor. Makes no difference what class they are in with regard to stock classes. AB SCAC Mark Darby on 08/03/2000 12:32:19 PM Please respond to Mark Darby To: autox@autox.team.net cc: (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) Subject: Reclassification.......What will happen in STS? Hi Team! I just had the question run through my mind. Since the Type R and the DSM(whatever that stands for)Turbos are not currently allowed in STS ,with the proposed changes,will they be? Or will the NEON no longer be eligable for STS? When they created the class STS,they had the where-with-all not to place the NEONS with the Type R's or DSM Turbos, how come they decided that the cars should become classmates in their stock forms? Any info would be greatly appreciated as it will be included in my 37th email to the SCCA regarding the reclassifications. Mark(Rainman)Darby # 3 DS __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 13:55:41 2000 From: "Bruce Haden" To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:54:54 -0700 Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures Ford did issue a tech bulletin when the Explorers first came out telling dealers and tire dealers not to put any tires other than light truck all-terrain style tires on them, as the vehicle wasn't designed to handle any increase in cornering power. Any connection? Not to mention the heavier loads and "monkey motion" imparted to ANY tire on a Ford with the "Twin swing-axle" front end. They are notoriously hard on tires. I wonder how many problems the same tires have been involved in on the more stable Subaru Forester? ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 13:57:31 2000 From: Russ Bowlus To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "Entry-level" autocross cars Hi all-- Could someone send me that list of competitive cars for under 10k that got posted earlier this week? Sorry, forgot to save it... Thanks, Russ HS 98 Civic EX CSP/FP 84 RX-7 GSL-SE __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 14:01:33 2000 From: "Richard Atkins" To: "'Linnhoff, Eric'" , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:14:52 -0500 Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures Seems reasonable to me. They make tires too damn good, in the old days (yes I am old) if a tire had low tire pressure you could tell by looking at it now you can have 15# in a SUV tire and not be able to tell by looking at it. On top of that they last forever, again in the old days getting 20K miles was good so you changed tires ever year or so. If the tire blew it was always the tube that went, the tire didn't come apart. Can we go back to tube tires? -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linnhoff, Eric Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:43 PM To: 'Bill Ozinga'; 'Autox@Autox. Team. Net' Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures It's all a big Japanese conspiracy. Their little plan to take over the US through an invasion by their Canadian branch (betcha didn't know _that_)failed miserably so now they're pissed off and are going to try to kill us off one at a time via bad tires (apparently through their Bridgestone branch) and low quality bootleg CDs. I think they chose wisely by selecting the SUV drivers to knock off first. ;^) And doesn't everybody check their tire pressure at least twice a week? Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself." Francis Crawford From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 14:08:08 2000 From: "Glenn Duensing" To: "Bill Ozinga" , "Jeff Lloyd" , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:04:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures Well all I have to say is, Firestone does it again 8^0. A few years back their "721" tire would come apart on cars. Glenn > Jeff lloyd stated (and overstated)... > > > Hey everyone, anyone with a ford explorer or any other SUV that uses OEM > > firestone tires please be warned they have been experiencing catastrophic > > failures, there are 50 deaths so far from failed tires, and at least 500 > > incidents of sudden complete blowout with no warning signs in the U.S. > > alone!!! This affects the wilderness lines and the ATX lines in all sizes, > > possibly more!! So go and check your tow vehicles, check with firestone, > > and Ford has released a statement since all ford exploders sold recently > > came with "know to be bad" tires!!! This is a life or death situation > > please heed my warning and take proper actions ASAP!!! > > What's your source for those numbers? > > USA Today says... > > > NHTSA says it has reports of 21 deaths and 193 crashes involving those tires. > > While I don't want to say there isn't a problem with the tires, I wonder how > many of those incidents are due to underinflation, which seems to the main > cause of "just blew with no warning." On top of that, add in the possibility > that the Ford Explorer could be a bit on the tippy side, you have a recipe > for a problem. (Add in my pet peeve - how many were on the phone at the > time?) > > How often do you think people *really* check their tire pressure? > > Ford did issue a tech bulletin when the Explorers first came out telling > dealers and tire dealers not to put any tires other than light truck > all-terrain style tires on them, as the vehicle wasn't designed to handle > any increase in cornering power. Any connection? > > I wonder how many problems the same tires have been involved in on the more > stable Subaru Forester? > > ---------------------------------------- > Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com > Webmaster - The Tire Rack > http://www.tirerack.com > Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 > Order your tires online! > ---------------------------------------- > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 14:26:11 2000 From: ddisimo@gate.net To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:36:21 EST5EDT Subject: Evolution (McKamey) Autocross School in Ft. Myers Oct 28,29 Hello, I want to make an offical announcement that there will be a Evolution (McKamey) Autocross school scheduled for Oct 28th and Oct 29th in Ft. Myers, FL. The plan is for a Phase 1 on Sat and a Phase 2/3 on Sunday. The cost of the each phase will be $185. Please see www.autocross.com/mckameyschool for more information on what the Evolution/McKamey autocross school is all about. The web page will be updated shortly to reflect the above dates. The schools will be limited to 12 students per day. Students will be scheduled and conformations will be sent to students when the entry form below is set in along with a check. If you have any questions, please contact me. Thank you, Darrin DiSimo email: ddisimo@gate.net home: (954) 757-2298 work: (954) 714-9550 x18 -------------------------------------------------------- FT. MYERS EVOLUTION/McKAMEY AUTOCROSS SCHOOL ENTRY FORM OCTOBER 28th and 29th, 2000 ENTRY DEADLINE: SEPT 20, 2000 COST: $185 per phase, make checks payable to Darrin DiSimo SEND TO: Darrin DiSimo 11290 Heron Bay Blvd, Apt 2016 Coral Springs, FL 33076 NAME: _____________________________________ ADDRESS:___________________________________ CITY, ST, ZIP: ____________________________ HOME PHONE: _______________________________ WORK PHONE: _______________________________ EMAIL: ___________________________________ PHASE 1: ___________ PHASE 2: _________ HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN AUTOCROSSING: ______ YEAR AND MODEL OF CAR: ____________________ --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using WebMail by CyberGate. http://www.gate.net/webmail From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 14:45:55 2000 From: WHEELSPNR@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:43:31 EDT Subject: used tires in Sportscar Has any autocrossers ever purchase the used tires advertised in Sportscar ? I think they're Goodyear brand and advertised at full to 1\2 rubber left. Anyone with experience here ? If so, prices and you comments, please ! thankx. JC From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 14:47:20 2000 From: "John Gross" To: buzz@indiana.net, elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org, oz@tirerack.com, Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:44:54 GMT Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures The scary thing is that the front tires on my dad's Ram 2500 diesel look like they're almost flat and they have 55 lbs in them! >From: "Richard Atkins" >Reply-To: "Richard Atkins" >To: "'Linnhoff, Eric'" , "'Bill >Ozinga'" , "'Autox@Autox. Team. Net'" > >Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures >Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:14:52 -0500 > >Seems reasonable to me. >They make tires too damn good, in the old days (yes I am old) if a tire had >low tire pressure you could tell by looking at it now you can have 15# in a >SUV tire and not be able to tell by looking at it. On top of that they last >forever, again in the old days getting 20K miles was good so you changed >tires ever year or so. If the tire blew it was always the tube that went, >the tire didn't come apart. >Can we go back to tube tires? > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On >Behalf Of Linnhoff, Eric >Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:43 PM >To: 'Bill Ozinga'; 'Autox@Autox. Team. Net' >Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures > > >It's all a big Japanese conspiracy. Their little plan to take over the US >through an invasion by their Canadian branch (betcha didn't know >_that_)failed miserably so now they're pissed off and are going to try to >kill us off one at a time via bad tires (apparently through their >Bridgestone branch) and low quality bootleg CDs. > >I think they chose wisely by selecting the SUV drivers to knock off first. >;^) > >And doesn't everybody check their tire pressure at least twice a week? > >Eric Linnhoff in KC >1998 Dodge Neon R/T >#69 DS #13 TLS >eric10mm@qni.com > >"To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself." >Francis Crawford > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 14:54:53 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: autox@autox.team.net, solo2atlanta@topica.com, bspvette@topica.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:50:01 -0400 Subject: Georgia State Solo II Championship Everyone is welcome to come autocross at the Georgia State Solo II Championship in Perry, Georgia on August 26 & 27. This event is co-hosted by the Middle Georgia SCCA and Atlanta Region SCCA regions. The Championship event will be held on 5 adjoining parking lots just outside the North entrance gate to the Georgia National Fairgrounds in Perry, which is located about 1 1/2 hours south of Atlanta on Interstate 75. This event is in conjunction with the "Georgia MotorFest" car show and sound-off which will be staged inside the fairgrounds. This year, our entrants will be pitted and staged inside the gate so our competitors' cars will be part of the show during our event. In order to compete for the Georgia State Championship, in your class, you must enter and run both Saturday and Sunday. However, entrants may run either single day if they choose. Entry fee for both days is $45 and for one day the fee is $25. This event is open to SCCA and non-SCCA members over 16 years of age who have a current driver's license. Drivers under age 18 will need to have a Minor Waiver signed by a parent or guardian at the event site. The Georgia National Fairgrounds is located just east of I-75 in Perry. There will be signs on the interstate guiding you to the site. Go to the North entrance to get to the autocross site. Below please find the motel information for the weekend. The event parties will be happening at the Holiday Inn at exit 136. Days Inn & Suites 205 Lect Drive Perry, GA 31069 912-218-5200 Rate: $58 (Ask for GMF-Georgia Motor Fest) Note: Newest hotel in Perry, on same exit as Fairgrounds Jameson Inn 200 Market Place Drive Perry, GA 31069 912-987-5060 Rate: $45 (Ask for GMF-Georgia Motor Fest) Note: 2nd Newest hotel in Perry, one exit from Fairgrounds near most restaurants In case those hotels book up, SCCA'ers are welcome at the GMF host hotel as well: Holiday Inn 700 Valley Drive Perry, GA 31069 1-800-808-8804 Rate: $59 (Ask for GMF-Georgia Motor Fest) Note: Longtime host hotel for the car show & car stereo competitors @ GMF, full restaurant and bar 24 hour security with cameras monitoring the parking areas Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 15:24:22 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:17:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures > And doesn't everybody check their tire pressure at least twice a > week? No. Once before you load up the car. Once when you roll the car off the trailer at the event. Once right before your heat starts. Once after each spin (got up to 50# in the rear after my imitation of a ponycar spin at last year's states). Once before your co-driver's runs. Once at the end of the event. That's at least 5 times a week. ( : mlc '91 MR2 NA -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 15:24:21 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: jogross3@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:19:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:44:54 GMT "John Gross" writes: > The scary thing is that the front tires on my dad's Ram 2500 diesel > look like they're almost flat and they have 55 lbs in them! You know how much that front end weighs? ( : mlc '91 MR2 NA '96 Dodge 2500 Cummins Turbo Diesel (that has to be weighed for PA registration...) -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 15:26:14 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Mari L Clements'" , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:24:07 -0500 Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures I meant besides at an autocross event. :^P Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself." Francis Crawford -----Original Message----- > And doesn't everybody check their tire pressure at least twice a > week? No. Once before you load up the car. Once when you roll the car off the trailer at the event. Once right before your heat starts. Once after each spin (got up to 50# in the rear after my imitation of a ponycar spin at last year's states). Once before your co-driver's runs. Once at the end of the event. That's at least 5 times a week. ( : mlc '91 MR2 NA -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 17:17:26 2000 From: Oasis3223@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:15:08 EDT Subject: Sunday Iowa Event The Iowa Region will sponsor an autocross this Sunday, at the Marshalltown Kart Track. There is a good chance of rain. We have a rather large turnout, so those wishing to leave early should REGISTER EARLY. Do not expect to arrive late and get a low number. Lower numbers are taken fast...we run in numerical order, breaking halfway thru the list to form two heats... for more / registration information call Bob Kistler at 319-643-5421,,, his email is GLHTURBO@netins.net Bob Lucas From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 17:36:47 2000 From: "Bruce Haden" To: , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:36:26 -0700 Subject: RE: used tires in Sportscar Yes. They are a good deal for those of us not rolling in $$ His name is John Berget. Really nice guy. When he says " full tread depth" it usually means they have 2-10 laps max on them. I know at least 4 or 5 people locally who use him. -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of WHEELSPNR@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:44 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: used tires in Sportscar Has any autocrossers ever purchase the used tires advertised in Sportscar ? I think they're Goodyear brand and advertised at full to 1\2 rubber left. Anyone with experience here ? If so, prices and you comments, please ! thankx. JC From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 17:48:20 2000 From: "Eric Buckley" To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:48:55 -0500 Subject: RE: Reclassification.......What will happen in STS? Mark Darby wrote: > > Hi Team! Hi Mark! > I just had the question run through my mind. Since > the Type R and the DSM(whatever that stands for)Turbos DSM = Diamond Star Motors > are not currently allowed in STS ,with the proposed > changes,will they be? Or will the NEON no longer be > eligable for STS? Not unless they change the rules for STS/R eligibility. > When they created the class STS,they had the > where-with-all not to place the NEONS with the Type > R's or DSM Turbos, No they didn't. The Neon is listed as an "example" of an eligible car, but it is not specifically classed in ST. The Type R and the Eclipse/Talon Turbo are not specifically excluded, they just fail to meet the criteria. > how come they decided that the cars > should become classmates in their stock forms? Whose they? I think you're looking for conspiracies where they don't exist. The SCAC does not worry about classes outside of stock when they are classing stock. The Integra GS/R runs in GS against both your offending examples and is a good deal slower than a Neon in stock trim. Same can be said of the Probe/MX-6 and Camaro. There was a time when those were the "big dogs" of GS. Things change. > Any info would be greatly appreciated as it will be > included in my 37th email to the SCCA regarding the > reclassifications. Why do you think the SCCA cares about *our* speculation regarding what *they* were thinking. If you want to impress them, send facts. Fact is that the Neon and Type R are pretty close. See the recent post regarding winning times at NT events. Cars that consistently finish within a second of each other are pretty evenly matched. Otherwise, you could always come over to Street Touring. Love to have you. Eric Buckley 7STR: 98 Integra GSR St Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 18:10:02 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Bill Ozinga" , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:14:18 -0400 Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures Der Webmeister Bill O sez: What's your source for those numbers? MSNBC News USA Today says... > NHTSA says it has reports of 21 deaths and 193 crashes involving those tires. While I don't want to say there isn't a problem with the tires, I wonder how many of those incidents are due to underinflation, which seems to the main cause of "just blew with no warning." On top of that, add in the possibility that the Ford Explorer could be a bit on the tippy side, you have a recipe for a problem. (Add in my pet peeve - how many were on the phone at the time?) How often do you think people *really* check their tire pressure? Ford did issue a tech bulletin when the Explorers first came out telling dealers and tire dealers not to put any tires other than light truck all-terrain style tires on them, as the vehicle wasn't designed to handle any increase in cornering power. Any connection? I wonder how many problems the same tires have been involved in on the more stable Subaru Forester? I don't know but I do however know in all markets (sans US) Ford is replacing the tires Jeff From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 18:15:13 2000 From: "Brian Berryhill" To: "Probe Perf" , "Autox" Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:07:37 -0500 Subject: Got my RE71's put on My stock size (225/50r16) Bridgestone Potenza RE71's from the Tire Rack came in yesterday ($370, shipped 2-day fedex). At first glance, they look to be the same width as my current 245/45r16 Goodyear F1 GS's. They're supposedly a tread width of 8.6, whereas the GY's are 8.9. Many of you might recall that Wal-Mart could not mount my 245's last time around and even cross threaded a couple of lugnuts putting them back on for free. Well, having learned my lesson, I went straight back to Wal-Mart to see if they could put my tires on, since they were stock size 225/50's. Sure enough, they couldn't even get the old ones off. The bad part is, it took them 2 hours to figure out they couldn't. The good part, haha.... the manager said they're not supposed to deal with low profile tires and gave me a free oil change (which I'll give to my Mom). Funny part, we were standing right next to some 225/50r16 cheapo tires, and I asked him if he could put these tires on my car, and he said sure; then I mentioned they were the same size that I had wanted to put on... he drew a weird face. So, to continue the story, I went to the local Firestone/Bridgestone dealer where they had the equipment to work with the tires (the equipment consisted mainly of 3 guys, 1 who weighed about twice as much as I did and was probably nicknamed "Bubba" as well as a good tire machine). The total cost for mounting and balancing was $50.81, plus the $370 for tires shipped, comes out to around $420. Not bad. Only thing, it doesn't include the lifetime balance warranty, so that's $7 a wheel when I need it re-done. Here's a checklist for anyone having tires put on to make sure they: - Can work with low profile tires - Have a lift that does not press on the plastic sideskirts - Use a 21mm socket to remove the lugnuts - Don't scratch up the rim edge removing/installing tires - Put directional tires and rims on in the proper direction - Put the correct pressure in the tires (32f/26r OEM spec) - Install the lugnuts in the proper order and to the proper torque (67-85 lb-ft) As far as the new tires go, I hate how new tires feel squooshy, but that's just a fact of life. My GY's had great steering response as slicks. The RE71's have less road noise it seems. I'll give a post on the handling once I start hitting a few curves. I just heat cycled them on the way home, so I'll let them cool for a while. Next autox is in 3 weeks, so I'll give them a beating then. I highly regard the Tire Rack and my local Firestone dealer and recommend them both. Brian -- 95 Probe GT Brian Berryhill http://www.angelfire.com/ms/brianberryhill/ ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 18:22:51 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Bruce Haden" , , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:24:52 -0400 Subject: RE: used tires in Sportscar So comes the question how are the Goodyear's compared to the other tires on the market Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bruce Haden Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 7:36 PM To: WHEELSPNR@aol.com; autox@autox.team.net Subject: RE: used tires in Sportscar Yes. They are a good deal for those of us not rolling in $$ His name is John Berget. Really nice guy. When he says " full tread depth" it usually means they have 2-10 laps max on them. I know at least 4 or 5 people locally who use him. -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of WHEELSPNR@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:44 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: used tires in Sportscar Has any autocrossers ever purchase the used tires advertised in Sportscar ? I think they're Goodyear brand and advertised at full to 1\2 rubber left. Anyone with experience here ? If so, prices and you comments, please ! thankx. JC From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 18:27:10 2000 From: "Rick Brown" To: , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:26:38 -0700 Subject: Re: used tires in Sportscar Just bought some from him, look to be nearly new. Basically just heat cycled, a good thing. And at Half the price - $80 vs $175. This is for 23x9x15 slicks. Rick Brown FP 240Z ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:43 PM Subject: used tires in Sportscar > Has any autocrossers ever purchase the used tires advertised in Sportscar ? > I think they're Goodyear brand and advertised at full to 1\2 rubber left. > > Anyone with experience here ? If so, prices and you comments, please ! > thankx. > JC > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 19:15:31 2000 From: Rob Foley To: Bill Ozinga Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:12:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures Out of lurk-dom for a rare post. I got one of them Exploder family truckster/tow vehicles. Complete with 5 of those suspect 235/75-15 Wilderness AT's. The truck has about 17,000 miles on it. I check pressure routinely. The tires are fine. This truck has crummy diving dynamics, some of which can be blamed on the mega-lug tread pattern of the tires, but I agree with the prior statements about underinflation, overloading, and not enough attention to driving and otherwise being the root cause of the problems. Ford builds almost 500,000 Explorers a year these days. Think how many idiots buy them. Anyone who has witnessed my arrival and departures from events I tow to knows I do NOT travel light, especially with the family along. Also, anyone who has driven along with me to events knows trailering does not impeed my forward progress in getting there. If I though I thought there was a potential tire problem, they would be changed out. I had Firestone tire problems on my previous truck, which had FTX 235/60-15's. (Sport suspended Ranger) Two sets of rears (1st OEM, 2nd replacements from TireRack) developed circumferential sidewall cracks all the way around after about 35,000 miles each. I believe this was heat/speed related due to sidewall flexing. After it happened with the second pair, off to the BFG store I went. >From what I have seen and read of this problem, I would be very suprised to see a tire recall. Rob Foley From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 19:55:02 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: Oasis3223@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:52:45 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday Iowa Event In a message dated 8/3/00 4:19:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Oasis3223@aol.com writes: << The Iowa Region will sponsor an autocross this Sunday, at the Marshalltown Kart Track. There is a good chance of rain. We have a rather large turnout, so those wishing to leave early should REGISTER EARLY. Do not expect to arrive late and get a low number. Lower numbers are taken fast...we run in numerical order, breaking halfway thru the list to form two heats... for more / registration information call Bob Kistler at 319-643-5421,,, his email is GLHTURBO@netins.net Bob Lucas >> You have an Iowa event on the same weekend as the Mid-Div at Topeka??? Mike(Who thought of this one???)B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 19:55:02 2000 From: Mark Darby To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Paging Andy Bettencourt! Hi Team! Could you please email me at markds33@yahoo.com. I, after the fact,had some more questions for you. Thanks! Mark(Rainman)Darby # 3 DS __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 20:03:52 2000 From: Gary Spray To: Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:05:29 -0500 Subject: RE: used tires in Sportscar At 08:24 PM 8/3/2000 -0400, Jeff Lloyd wrote: >So comes the question how are the Goodyear's compared to the other tires on >the market Okay- I ordered some 195/60X14's from him two years ago. They still had visible tread on them if the light was shining just right. They were, and are still, VERY sticky. They also were very light as compared with the Kumhos I replaced them with this year. The 195/55X14 Kumhos weigh about four pounds more than the Goodyears and have a SIGNIFICANTLY stiffer sidewall. The guy at the tire store here in good ol' Topeka really had a tough time mounting the Kumhos. I only replaced the Goodyears as at 195/60X14, they were taller than the Kumhos and took more hp (which the Miata ain't got) to turn over. Of course this may be offset by the Kumhos higher weight. :-( Opinion of a not-to-fast, third year autocrosser: The Goodyears stick like glue up to a point and then let go with a BANG! The Kumhos seem to slip a little at the limit but so far I haven't spun with them on. The Goodyears don't seem to like cool weather but the Kumhos don't seem to mind it as much. ________________ Gary Spray Topeka, Kansas White 1990 Mazda Miata Kansas Region SCCA - Solo 2 #16 CS (or 19, or 61, or 91, or 1, or 6, or 9; only got two numbers) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 20:58:58 2000 From: "Farzaan Kassam" To: , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:59:27 -0700 Subject: 17" slicks? Does anyone know where I can get take-off qualifer slicks in a 17" inside (rim) diamater? Overall diamater should be around 24.5-25". Farzaan fkassam@direct.ca From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 22:27:09 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:25:44 -0400 Subject: The DTN Nominee recap #2 Just another reminder and recap. Okay, so yas sez ya gonna vote "Real Soon! ©". Well, there are only three days left to vote. So exercise your rights. Please send your contributions to either the paypal URL below or the snail mail address. Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin To donate, send funds to drivertonationals@yahoo.com To sign up and get the DTN a $5 referral bonus, use this link and ensure that the above address is in the referral block: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net The DTN Nominee recap: Nominee #2: David Hawkins suppose I'm the only one not to pony up some personal info so far....so here goes: I started autoxing in Seattle 4 years ago when I went to an event to meet up with a fellow MR2 owner. I plowed the course with my 89 Supercharged car and then came back the next week to get a ride with Glen Hernandez and get some insight into how it should really be done. I was hooked. I moved to Pensacola the month after my first autox and got involved with Gulf Coast Region right after I got settled. The first year was spent learning the car and attending as many events as I could. The second year I was appointed Solo II Co-Chair and made it my unofficial job to bring down the course speeds while making the courses themselves more technical (since no one was providing course maps, I figured I'd come up with some that favored my 112HP MR2). While Solo II Co-Chair, I championed the cause for a novice program and ride-alongs in the region (fruitlessly, but I fought the good fight). Last year I jumped to Dixie Region since I was running there every month anyway. I try to help out as I can, but being 3 hours from the site doesn't lend to my abilities in that area. I try to build up autoxing wherever I go, as I think it does have a direct impact in how good of a driver you are everyday life. I've chosen to stick with some of the most profoundly classed cars despite their weaknesses (93 Mr2 Turbo in ASP, 85 ITA Mr2 in CSP, 86 Mr2 in CSP, Toyota Cressida in EM), and pass on whatever setup information I learn to whoever happens to ask (and some who don't happen to). I still compete in Gulf Coast Region every month, and am still championing the need for ride-alongs, in addition to running in Dixie every month. When I can convince the SO to let me, I run Wiregrass too :) I was pretty strong in the running last year, but didn't want to create a conflict in my region (JD was from Dixie also) and it didn't look like Uncle Sam was going to give me time off anyway. Personal Background....I'm 31, with a BS from the Naval Academy in Aerospace Engineering. I resigned my commission last month after 10 years on active duty and look forward to some time of my own and the inevitable job hunt. Mr2s have been my passion since I bought my first new car, the 93 Turbo, in August of 1993. I've owned 14 of them and currently have bits and pieces of 7 parts cars scattered about the house in addition to the 93 in the garage and 86 which is in the middle of an engine rebuild. An 88 Supercharged car with an uncertain fate sits in the front yard. My first car was a 1966 Corvair, which I restored with my father and which now resides in his garage awaiting my purchase of a larger storage area. I pulled Dad into the SCCA at the final Divisional of 1998 when I bought him a membership for his birthday and surprised him with a co-drive when he came to watch me run. But...I'm rambling. I really enjoy this forum and hope that I add to it when I can. If you see fit to send me to nationals, I promise to wear a big DTN T shirt every day and shake the hand of every team.netter that I run across. I'll even keep a few cold ones in the Winnie for ya. David Hawkins 86 Mr2 CSP in pieces DTN hopeful From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 22:27:08 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:25:41 -0400 Subject: The DTN Nominee recap #3 Just another reminder and recap. Okay, so yas sez ya gonna vote "Real Soon! ©". Well, there are only three days left to vote. So exercise your rights. Please send your contributions to either the paypal URL below or the snail mail address. Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin To donate, send funds to drivertonationals@yahoo.com To sign up and get the DTN a $5 referral bonus, use this link and ensure that the above address is in the referral block: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net The DTN Nominee recap: Nominee #3: Karl Rickert Gosh, I'm happy to be nominated I don't know where to begin. I was born a poor... never mind. I'm originally from East Tennessee, where I started honing my driving skills, by running the backroads and byways with the likes of Johnny Miller IV of Trans-am fame. But that's a whole other story. My first car was a 1971 Volvo 142E that was my father's B Sedan racecar. I replaced the bumpers and headlights and I was the envy of every 16 yr old in the county. I started autocrossing in the ETR Region at the tender age of 16, but was my father's pit crew at autocrosses and road races from the age of 10. Along with the Volvo I also owned a '67 Austin Mini, '58 Volvo 445, and a '76 Trans am, all before the age of 18. After "gradiating" from high school, I moved to Cleveland, TN and attended UTC in Chattanooga, working on a BS in Graphic Arts. I meet my wife of 15 yrs there and we moved to Florida a few years after we were married. We have 3 children ages 8, 19, & 18. I am currently employed at The Printing House Ltd in Quincy, FL as the Estimator. One of our sister companies is Homes & Land Magazines, which are produced and distributed nationwide. We moved to Tallahassee in 1992 and started autocrossing again in 1996 after a co-worker "gave" me the '74 Spider in drive today. I was able to capture the '97, '98 and '99 C-Stock Championship in The Dixie Region. I was worker of the year in '97 and Member of the year in '98 (or vice versa). I've always been active in the Region. In '97 I was elected as a board member and in '99 was elected Assistant Regional Executive. I'm always one of the first to arrive at the event, either setting up the trailer or registration table. My consistent worker position is that of an event supervisor, making sure all is fine and dandy in the area. You can also find me working the PA system from time to time (someone please take the mike away from me), but fellow DTN driver David Hawkins does a much better job;) Currently, I am the Sadie Solo Registrar for our Solo Divisional series. I am filling the shoes of one Ms. Brenda Ashburn, who will be missed at the events as an official. My current autocross car is a '74 Alfa Romeo Spider, while not the best looking (rusting away) or handling car in the world. It is an absolute blast to drive and watch! I'm often asked how I keep from dragging the door handles, when cornering hard. I was however able to capture the SADIE C-Stock Championship in '99 driving the ole Alfa! Currently I am preparing a '71 Dotson 510 for Solo and eventually road racing. I'd like to thank everyone on Team.net for their informative, if not always serious posts and Mark B. for hosting the service! I've been fortunate enough to meet the likes of Phil Either and his Lotus and was even able to arrange a ride at a "rally cross" in Minnesota a few years ago, by using Team.net! Did I mention my SADIE boss is Mass? So, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! And if elected the 2000 DTN, I promise octane boost in every tank, a new set of Hoosier's every year and not to bring up the twelve days of autocross ever again! I'll even bring JD Kemp with me for luck! Regards, See ya'll at the Ozark SADIE Divisional! Karl Rickert Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo Chairman Sadie Solo Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GET Dotson 510 TLS #25 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 22:27:13 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:25:39 -0400 Subject: The DTN Nominee recap #1 Just another reminder and recap. Okay, so yas sez ya gonna vote "Real Soon! ©". Well, there are only three days left to vote. So exercise your rights. Please send your contributions to either the paypal URL below or the snail mail address. Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin To donate, send funds to drivertonationals@yahoo.com To sign up and get the DTN a $5 referral bonus, use this link and ensure that the above address is in the referral block: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net The DTN Nominee recap: Here is nominee #1: Ian McFetridge I was so surprised when I saw my nomination, that I didn't even have the information necessary to decide if I could accept or not. :-O Well, as of today, I know that I can get time off work, which had worried me because I do not have the necessary vacation days and I had a product release that has fortunately been pushed off until November. So, I grateful accept my nomination and offer a little bit of information about myself: Born Philadelphia, PA in 1969; moved to Orlando, FL in 1984, received a degree in Material Science and Engineering from the University of Florida (Go Gators!), completed some graduate work in BioMedical Engineering; took time off to work in industry. Moved to Boston in 1993 and worked for a Pharmaceutical company doing drug discovery and medical device development. Went into consulting in 1997 and moved to the Philadelphia area where I am now doing a little bit of everything to do with pharmaceutical technology and regulations. I've always been into sports, segueing from BMX racing to motocross dirt bike racing (man, I wish they had the Speed Freaks program back then), dropping back into mountain bike racing during the lean years of college and then graduating to my first "sports car" after college. When I was in Boston I replaced my boring Explorer with a Mitsubishi Eclipse and I've been boosting ever since. :-) Some of the local DSM tweakers invited me out to a dragstrip and I quickly began to modify my car, eventually dropping my quarter mile time down to 12.9 @ 106MPH. The straight line thing was fun, but I craved something more and followed some of the DSM guys out to this autocross thing I had been hearing about. A couple autocrosses and a trip to the Diamond Star Shootout in Ohio and I was hooked on autocrossing. I competed in my first season of autocross in 1999, unmodifying (reinstalling the stock boost controller, raising my 1/4 mile time to 13.9 @100 MPH, yikes!) my 1992 Eclipse GSX to compete in Philly's ESP class. I found the Philly Region to be chock full of nice folks willing to help a novice like myself learn the sport. I was so impressed with the camaraderie and the quality of the novice program that I started dragging every DSM and import racer that I knew to the local events. In the spirit of wanting to give a little back to our club, I became a safety steward and volunteered to assist a much more experienced autocrossing with the job of Chief Solo II safety steward in the Philly Region. At the end of the season I realized that my 130,000 mile DSM wasn't going to make it through another season, so I purchased a fairly modified 1997 Eclipse GSX (12.0@114MPH) with the intention of competing in this Street Touring Unlimited (now Street Modified) class that I had been hearing about. I helped-out as best I could with the rules so as to not preclude many of the local import and domestic drag racers and motorheads in general. Hopefully, this class will continue to grow as more street prepared folks install their subframe connectors and manual boost controllers. Thanks again for the nomination and seconds to the nomination. Please feel free to stop by and say hi to the tall guy in the white Eclipse at any Philly event, Northern New Jersey event, or the Divisional in Rome, NY. Best Regards, Ian McFetridge 92GSX Philly ESP, retired to commuter duties 97GSX Philly Region's Street Modified! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 23:36:58 2000 From: dzmyth To: Hottvr@aol.com Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:36:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Sunday Iowa Event Mike- This event is put on by Iowa Region, which is CenDiv. Dave Z. NRSCCA CP #29 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 00:12:42 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Brian Berryhill" , Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:04:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Got my RE71's put on >Many of you might recall that Wal-Mart ============================ Mistake #1. Well, having learned my lesson, I went straight back to Wal-Mart ========================== Mistake #2. We're on a roll now. ;^) >So, to continue the story, I went to the local Firestone/Bridgestone dealer ============================ Ahh, now we're sorta headed in the right direction. >Here's a checklist for anyone having tires put on to make sure they: >- Can work with low profile tires >- Have a lift that does not press on the plastic sideskirts >- Use a 21mm socket to remove the lugnuts >- Don't scratch up the rim edge removing/installing tires >- Put directional tires and rims on in the proper direction >- Put the correct pressure in the tires (32f/26r OEM spec) >- Install the lugnuts in the proper order and to the proper torque (67-85 >lb-ft) =========================== If at all possible I "carry in" my wheels/tire to eliminate several of your checklist problems. Tire pressures being the least of my concerns. If that's not possible I tell the techs that I will place the lift pads under my car and will take off and re-install the wheels myself. I also try to go only to tire and wheel specialty stores. There's just something uncomfortable about having the same guys alternately changing oil and installing batteries that leaves less room in the brain for properly mounting, balancing and installing tires and/or wheels. They tire guys don't seem to mind as it's less work for them and I've gotten to know them quite well over the last couple of years. Especially seeing as I'm in there about every 6 weeks getting the tires flipped on the rims to keep the wear even. As a matter of fact, the last time I went to my old favorite shop here in KC I asked if James was working today and they said that he'd quit and moved way up north. Damn. I asked if the new guy was any good and they said that James had trained him. Weeeellll.........okay, I guess. So I gave him a shot and whaddaya know, he's as good as James and doesn't stink as much either. ;^) He quit soon thereafter. :^( Now I go the one of the local riceboy import tuner wheel shops. They deal with high buck alloy wheels all day and will allow me to set the lift pads myself (if I don't just carry them in) and tighten the wheels back down myself. They charge $12 per wheel for M&B but they do good work and aren't using 20+ year old machines that weren't designed for aluminum wheels and can seriously mangle them even if used correctly. Call me picky. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "I ask sir, who is the militia? It is the whole people... To disarm the people, that is the best and most effective way to enslave them..." - George Mason From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 00:33:44 2000 From: HAVOCDEAN@aol.com To: oz@tirerack.com, Jeff@cyberconceptz.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:32:14 EDT Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures Hi all, I have 35k on my 99 GMC 4x4 riding on 265-75-16 Firestone all terrains. I run them at the recommended 35psi and torture the crap out of them. So far so good. I've only had them to 98mph cause the speed limiter in the truck stops me. Dean Sapp From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 03:08:21 2000 From: Dave Geis To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:08:40 -0500 Subject: Re: used tires in Sportscar WHEELSPNR@aol.com wrote: > Has any autocrossers ever purchase the used tires advertised in Sportscar ? > I think they're Goodyear brand and advertised at full to 1\2 rubber left. > And other brands depending on availability. Got a set of Hoosiers from him this spring. When he says full tread, he means it - one still had the mold marks on it! Same thing on a set of Goodyear rains I got from him this week. He charges by size and amount of tread left. -- Dave Geis - #25 FM 1982 Morton Formula Vee Who needs a roof?...or doors...or lights...or fenders... Wichita Region SCCA - http://www2.southwind.net/~scca From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 04:14:00 2000 From: "Charles R. Schultz" To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 05:12:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures Bzzzt, wrong answer! Actually the 721's replaced the defective 500's. I'd already thrown out my defective 500's when the free replacement program was announced. ---------------------------- Glenn Duensing wrote: > > Well all I have to say is, Firestone does it again 8^0. > > A few years back their "721" tire would come apart on cars. > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Schultz/ Mailto:n2pua4@peoplepc.com / New Home page: http://www.n2pua4.webprovider.com/ Eastaboga / (Under construction forever!) Alabama / AIM Screen Name: n2pua ICQ ID Number: 11654121 36260 / It's not the thing you fling, but the fling, itself! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 05:48:02 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net, bspvette@topica.com Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:45:11 -0400 Subject: Updated GA State Solo II Championship Everyone is welcome to come autocross at the Georgia State Solo II Championship in Perry, Georgia on August 26 & 27. This event is co-hosted by the Middle Georgia SCCA and Atlanta Region SCCA regions. The Championship event will be held on 5 adjoining parking lots just outside the North entrance gate to the Georgia National Fairgrounds in Perry, which is located about 1 1/2 hours south of Atlanta on Interstate 75. This event is in conjunction with the "Georgia MotorFest" car show and sound-off which will be staged inside the fairgrounds. This year, our entrants will be pitted and staged inside the gate so our competitors' cars will be part of the show during our event. In order to compete for the Georgia State Championship, in your class, you must enter and run both Saturday and Sunday. However, entrants may run either single day if they choose. Entry fee for both days is $45 and for one day the fee is $25. This event is open to SCCA and non-SCCA members over 16 years of age who have a current driver's license. Drivers under age 18 will need to have a Minor Waiver signed by a parent or guardian at the event site. If you aren't in the Atlanta Region computer database from running earlier this year OR if you are changing any of your entry information PLEASE pre-register on-line at and go to the Solo II registration page. The Georgia National Fairgrounds is located just east of I-75 in Perry. There will be signs on the interstate guiding you to the site. Go to the North entrance to get to the autocross site. Below please find the motel information for the weekend. The event parties will be happening at the Holiday Inn at exit 136. Days Inn & Suites 205 Lect Drive Perry, GA 31069 912-218-5200 Rate: $58 (Ask for GMF-Georgia Motor Fest) Note: Newest hotel in Perry, on same exit as Fairgrounds Jameson Inn 200 Market Place Drive Perry, GA 31069 912-987-5060 Rate: $45 (Ask for GMF-Georgia Motor Fest) Note: 2nd Newest hotel in Perry, one exit from Fairgrounds near most restaurants In case those hotels book up, SCCA'ers are welcome at the GMF host hotel as well: Holiday Inn 700 Valley Drive Perry, GA 31069 1-800-808-8804 Rate: $59 (Ask for GMF-Georgia Motor Fest) Note: Longtime host hotel for the car show & car stereo competitors @ GMF, full restaurant and bar 24 hour security with cameras monitoring the parking areas Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 05:50:58 2000 From: Bob Buxton To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 04:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures, recall They just announced the recall on these tires on the radio 5 mins ago. ===== Bob Buxton c/o Buxton's Autohaus & Pocket Rocket racing (The Home of Import Performance!) 185 First St. Falls Creek, PA. 15840 814-375-5808 buxtons@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 06:31:45 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:30:28 GMT Subject: SEDIV Solo2 Divisional - Ozark If you are planning on attending the SEDiv Divisional Solo2 in Ozark, AL on the 12 & 13th, please take a look at the list of names and assigned numbers to make sure your information is correct. Point your browser to: http://www.eec.com/sediv/ and follow the link to the entry list. It looks as if this will be the largest attended Divisional Solo2 event in a few years if we get all 137 folks registered. "REMEMBER TO VOTE FOR Y2K DTN"....and vote often ;) Karl Rickert Y2K DTN "Wanna-be" Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 07:08:34 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:06:58 GMT Subject: Mini Cup car classification? Anyone wanna take a guess were a "Mini Cup" car would be classified in Solo2? I'm guessing DM. Karl Rickert Y2K DTN "Wanna-be" Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 07:26:03 2000 From: "David Hawkins" To: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:24:51 -0500 Subject: DTN contributions Update on the PayPal contributions: There is a total of $265 in the DTN PayPal account. The following people have contributed via PayPal: Chuck McMillion Jim Daniels Beth McClure William Loring Wally Strzelec Steven Ashcraft Jay Mitchell Kevin Stevens William Ozinga Peter Mottaz Jason Suknot Jon Prevo Shawn Shumaker Rex Tener John Coffey Randy Chase Mari Clements To donate, send funds to drivertonationals@yahoo.com To sign up and get the DTN a $5 referral bonus, use this link and ensure that the above address is in the referral block: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com Please do NOT send contributions to MY PayPal account, use the yahoo address listed above. David 'I really wanna go to nationals' Hawkins 86 Mr2 CSP in pieces TLS 15 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 07:31:12 2000 From: "Jon Beerman" To: "Bob Buxton" , Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:34:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures, recall Funny thing is, the three crashes that I heard about all involved the passengers being ejected from the truck. Maybe the real blame for many of these deaths should be placed on the drivers who don't think it's cool to buckle up. The fact is, tires occasionally fail, and it is our responsibility to show the kind of driving skill needed to deal with such a situation. High Center of Gravity + Low Roll Center + Poor Skills = Trouble Of course I'm just a little biased. I've never been a big fan of Usless Utility Vehicles. Later, JHB #71 BSP -----Original Message----- From: Bob Buxton To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:53 AM Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures, recall >They just announced the recall on these tires on the >radio 5 mins ago. > >===== >Bob Buxton c/o >Buxton's Autohaus & Pocket Rocket racing >(The Home of Import Performance!) >185 First St. >Falls Creek, PA. 15840 >814-375-5808 >buxtons@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 07:45:26 2000 From: Don Miller To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: was (SEDIV Divisional)Now NORPAC Divisional Hey all you Nortwest People: Looks like Karl is saying we can't throw big events here in the Northwest! :) Let's see if we can go past the 137 they have and run 138 or more on the concrete at Mountain Home AFB (Aug 12-13) for the Snake River Divisional. Go to www.geocities.com/turbospl311 for entry form and schedule! FAX them in if needed - 208-895-8579. (Thanks Karl for giving me an idea to try and get people to show up! Good Luck with the DTN Votes!) Don Miller TLS #8 R.E. Snake River Region --- Karl Rickert wrote: > > It looks as if this will be the largest attended > Divisional Solo2 event in a > few years if we get all 137 folks registered. > > "REMEMBER TO VOTE FOR Y2K DTN"....and vote often ;) > > Karl Rickert > Y2K DTN "Wanna-be" ________________________________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 07:57:24 2000 From: Bob Buxton To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures, recall 1/2 hr after the radio station announced the recall, they came back on with a correction. It is Sears that is pulling the tires from the shelfs and NOT a Firestone recall. I bet the person who wrote that news story has trouble coming. Bob 88 CRX DM ===== Bob Buxton c/o Buxton's Autohaus & Pocket Rocket racing (The Home of Import Performance!) 185 First St. Falls Creek, PA. 15840 814-375-5808 buxtons@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 08:15:50 2000 From: jon e prevo To: buxtons@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:07:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures, recall Sears has enough class and sense of business ethics to make a decision which "customer relations" managers for Firestone refuse to make. This entire episode is the type of business tactics which has caused many independent tire dealers such as myself to refuse to sell a firestone product. Jon FP 73 ProPerformance Tires and Service On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Bob Buxton writes: It is Sears that > is pulling the tires from the shelfs and NOT a > Firestone recall. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 08:39:16 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:36:32 EDT Subject: Evolution's Nationals Awards/Nominations.... Evolution is proud to be working with it's associate sponsors for Nationals and recognizing past students for their accomplishments for the year 2000. Sponsors include Kumho tire, Strano Performance Parts, Sapp Performance Center and Allen Motors I have already started to get a couple people nominating people for some of Evolutions Awards/Contingencies for Nationals this year...You can e-mail these to me or give them to me at Nationals when the performances are in..I will recap the ones that are going to be based on names submitted and voted on by the instructors...Remember to include name of person, class and reason why they should be considered for their recognition.. Top Placing Rookie-Male and Female Outstanding Performance at Nationals Male and Female Most improved Nationals Performance Male and Female All New National Champions, brand new, never won before will receive prizes/awards All National Champions will receive something. If there is someone who receives their first trophy ever...please submit their name to the school also. Jean Kinser Owner Evoltuion Performance Driving School From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 08:50:20 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: turbospl311@yahoo.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:47:56 GMT Subject: Re: was (SEDIV Divisional)Now NORPAC Divisional >From: Don Miller >Looks like Karl is saying we can't throw big events here in the >Northwest! >:) Actually, I meant the "largest in SEDIV" in a few years. Silly me hit the ole send button before proof reading the message. But, what the hey! Go for it! The more the merrier, right? It just makes it a little harder on us Registrars ;) Karl Rickert Y2K DTN "Wanna-be" Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 08:58:54 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:25:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Will Street Mod grow? "Burns, James B." wrote: > It looks to me as if Street Mod has been fairly popular this year. I'd have to agree. Attendance hasn't been the spectacularly overwhelming wave I'd been hoping for, but it's been much better than I'd planned for. I had expected it to take 2 years to get where it's at today. There are little quirks and statistical anomalies though. Some regions are reporting that SM is making up over 10% of their attendance. Others are actively discouraging SM's whole existance, refusing to allow the class to run as "SM" even when SM cars show up for the event. The attitude of the local region has a HUGE impact on how well the class is doing. Regions that are welcoming and accepting and who promote the class get large turnouts. Regions that discourage the class (or who pretend it doesn't exist) get poor turnouts. Suprise, suprise. And then there's just plain ol' dumb chance. In Detroit Region, we've had SM turnouts ranging from 6-18 cars, depending on what else is going on that day, how well the event has been publicized, and what the weather looks like that morning. My take on it is that for regions that are positive in stance towards SM, the class is doing as well or a little better as the other Stock/Street Prepared classes. For a small handful of regions, the class is doing much better than average. Divisionally, (ie, series like the CENDIV series) the class is doing a little worse than average, mostly because it takes time for regional competitors to "trickle up" to Divisional events. There's also the "problem" of too many events competing for (at the moment) too few competitors. For the group of people who run SM Nationally, the Divisional series' are kinda on the bottom of the totum pole - there's a huge push to get good National attendance numbers, so if you're going to travel, you might as well go to a National event, if there is one that weekend. If there's a regional event, that takes precidence (help the newbies, set the example, cultivate the crop of potential National newbies). Then, now that you're running 3-4 events a month, you gotta squeeze maintainence in there somewhere, and test weekends... - now if there's any money left, and you're not completely burnt out, you can do a CENDIV.... Nationally, the class is doing MUCH better than expected. Attendance has been growing steadily, with double-digit class sizes becoming more the norm (The NWDIV championship is this weekend, there are 11 SM cars running) There are 6 cars currently on the Nationals website running SM, and I know of 7 more who have sent in entries. This makes it highly likely that SM will have the 15 cars needed to get their own class. (Note that ESP is only showing 11 cars right now, so all we're seeing is the tip of the iceburg) > Has there been any talk of expanding > SM in the near future to include a class for 2-seater cars (CRXes with > Integra motors, forced induction Miatas, MR2 Turbos with boost controllers, > etc.)? There has been LOTS of talk. The problem is, there's been lots of _talk_. I get lots and lots of people telling me that they want "SM for 2 seaters", but there hasn't been much of an effort to get them organized. Frankly, I'm too busy with the runup to Nationals - I can barely keep up with "SM Classic" business. People interested in this class should start organizing themselves if they want it to happen. Incidently, last year I thought that there would be a distinct stratification of SM into "SM slow" and "SM fast", so that I would have to ask the SEB to split "SM Classic" into ASM and BSM to keep the playing field level. But now that the data is on the wall, there is no justification for such a split - so I ain't gonna ask for it. We may have to do it in 2001, or 2002, or whenever, but "we will create no new SM class before its time". DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 09:18:48 2000 From: Rusty Roark To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, Aug 4 2000 11:16:17 GMT-0400 Subject: Hi Everyone Hello everyone Im new to the list and thought i would introduce myself. My names Rusty, i live in Martinsville VA, about one hour from Greensboro NC and Roanoke VA and I drive a 99 Dodge Avenger Sport V6. im new to the whole Auto-X thing so bear with me please =) Ive done a few perforamance mods to my Avenger and im just wondering if anyone would know the class I would be in (im gonna be running in my first event the 13th) I have an AEM Cold Air Intake, Arospeed Muffler and Powerstop slotted Rotors. Thanks for your help. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 09:18:48 2000 From: "Bruce Haden" To: "'Autox@Autox. Team. Net'" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:18:43 -0700 Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures I just saw in USA Today this morning that Sears is going to stop selling these tires. -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linnhoff, Eric Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:43 PM To: 'Bill Ozinga'; 'Autox@Autox. Team. Net' Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures It's all a big Japanese conspiracy. Their little plan to take over the US through an invasion by their Canadian branch (betcha didn't know _that_)failed miserably so now they're pissed off and are going to try to kill us off one at a time via bad tires (apparently through their Bridgestone branch) and low quality bootleg CDs. I think they chose wisely by selecting the SUV drivers to knock off first. ;^) And doesn't everybody check their tire pressure at least twice a week? Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "To expect defeat is nine-tenths of defeat itself." Francis Crawford From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 09:20:57 2000 From: Alek Tziortzis To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:19:00 -0500 Subject: firestone tires This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6C88492DBEAA479D7A8B47FF I have Firestone tires on my Chevy Silverado 3/4 ton (2500). they came with the truck (OEM). Ive got 50 K miles on these tires, the tread is getting low, but Ive driven over everything on them (tons of curbs, gravel, as well as towed with them for several thousands of miles). They are M+S (I dont know if they are ATXs). When the truck came from the dealer the tires had 35 psi in them, the placard on the truck says 50-80 psi if your towing. I think Bill oz. is right, people dont pay enough attention to their tire pressures. I do have to add air fairly frequently to the Firestones as they seem to lose 2-3 psi in the course of about 6 week period. Alex 98 1LE 99 Silverado 2500 --------------6C88492DBEAA479D7A8B47FF name="alextz.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Alek Tziortzis Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="alextz.vcf" begin:vcard n:Tziortzis;Alex tel;cell:(847) 343-3295 tel;fax:(847) 576-3240 tel;work:(847) 538-2041 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Wireless Access Technology Research;Motorola Labs version:2.1 email;internet:alextz@comm.mot.com title:Lead Engineer adr;quoted-printable:;;1301 E. Algonquin Rd.=0D=0ARm 2246 IL02 ;Schaumburg;Illinois;60196; x-mozilla-cpt:;2016 fn:Alex Tziortzis end:vcard --------------6C88492DBEAA479D7A8B47FF-- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 09:47:02 2000 From: "Moore, John" To: "'Rusty Roark'" , autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:51:39 -0500 Subject: RE: Hi Everyone Your class depends completely on wether the slotted rotors are of stock size or not. If they are, then you are eligible for Street Touring as long as your engine is less than 3.1 liters. John Moore 1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R (STS) 1993 Toyota MR2 NA (CS) > -----Original Message----- > From: Rusty Roark [SMTP:rusty@kimbanet.com] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:16 AM > To: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Hi Everyone > > Hello everyone Im new to the list and thought i would introduce myself. My > names Rusty, i live in Martinsville VA, about one hour from Greensboro NC > and Roanoke VA and I drive a 99 Dodge Avenger Sport V6. im new to the > whole Auto-X thing so bear with me please =) Ive done a few perforamance > mods to my Avenger and im just wondering if anyone would know the class I > would be in (im gonna be running in my first event the 13th) I have an AEM > Cold Air Intake, Arospeed Muffler and Powerstop slotted Rotors. Thanks for > your help. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 09:50:46 2000 From: Eric Moon To: Rusty Roark , autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:44:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Hi Everyone At , Rusty Roark wrote: >Hello everyone Im new to the list and thought i would introduce myself. My >names Rusty, i live in Martinsville VA, about one hour from Greensboro NC >and Roanoke VA and I drive a 99 Dodge Avenger Sport V6. im new to the whole >Auto-X thing so bear with me please =) Ive done a few perforamance mods to >my Avenger and im just wondering if anyone would know the class I would be >in (im gonna be running in my first event the 13th) I have an AEM Cold Air >Intake, Arospeed Muffler and Powerstop slotted Rotors. Thanks for your help. > Check to see if your local region runs novice classes, where newbies can run and get a little leeway (excused) for their mods. Otherwise, I don't know. I think you might have too much engine for Street Touring, so I'm guessing ESP or CSP. Either way, you'll get slaughtered in those classes by cars that are "properly" prepared for autocross --- Sticky R compound Hoosiers and Kumhos, really big wheels and a well tuned suspension. Oops, I think slotted or drilled rotors put you in Prepared! At this point, you might as well: A: Put a turbo in the thing and run in Street Mod. B: Remove the Intake and Rotors and run in Stock (muffler is OK) If you decide you really like autocross, you'll probably end up buying a more suitable car for next year :-) I could tell you to spend less money on goodies and invest your money and time in schools and seat time, but I'm sure that DG, "The King of All SM" will use this opportunity to remind me that I was the Riceboy Poster Child of '98----Sooooo, I'm not necessarily someone to take "too" seriously ;-) But, Seriously..... Just go out and do it! Have fun and set low goals like "finishing the day without DNF'ing all 3 runs". Next time, set a goal of "faster and no cones". You probably will not beat anyone, but make your next goal to "not be DFL". Do it some more and have fun. Do it even more, and remember to keep having fun. Repeat as necessary. Welcome to the fray, Eric Eric Moon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2000 Pennsylvania State Solo II Champion - G Stock ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Co-Driver - Team Wasabi G Stock '00 Acura Type R '92 Miata - D Prepared Wannabe e-mail: info@scca-susq.com pager: 7173297074@mobile.att.net Appalachian Sports Car Club www.scca-susq.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 10:33:40 2000 From: Snapspinnr@aol.com To: Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:31:33 EDT Subject: Sears and Firestone tires story from Reuters. Sears Stops Selling Suspect Tires CHICAGO (Reuters) - Sears, Roebuck and Co (S.N), the nation's No. 1 tire retailer, said on Friday it stopped selling certain Bridgestone Firestone tires for sport utility vehicles (SUVs) and pickup trucks after fatal crashes linked to tire failure prompted a government review. ``We are discontinuing sale of those tires,'' Peggy Palter, a Sears' spokeswoman, said. ``Until we have more information from Firestone, the responsible thing to do for our customers is to discontinue the sales.'' Sears sells the Bridgestone Firestone ATX, ATX II and Wilderness tires for pick-up trucks and sports utility vehicles at its 780 Sears Auto Centers and 350 NTB auto parts stores. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) on Thursday said it was probing 21 deaths in crashes of pickup trucks and SUVs where tire failure may have played a role. NHTSA began investigating Bridgestone Firestone tires in May after reviewing complaints of tread separation from consumers. Officials at Bridgestone Firestone could not immediately be reached for comment, but the company earlier this week defended the tires, saying properly inflated and maintained ATX, ATX II and Wilderness tires are ``among the safest tires on the road.'' Japan's Bridgestone Corp (5108.T). bought U.S. tire maker Firestone in 1988. Sears, which will continue to sell other model Firestone tires, said the tires under review for safety concerns are special-order tires, so the retailer is not carrying large inventories. Ford Motor Co.'s (F.N) Explorers are involved in many of the accidents reported to NHTSA, although vehicles made by General Motors (GM.N), Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T), were among others also sold with the tires. Shares of Hoffman Estates, Ill.-based Sears rose 1/8 to 31-1/8 in morning trade on the New York Stock Exchange. Reut10:36 08-04-00 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 10:56:58 2000 From: "Ron Chapman" To: Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:53:58 -0700 Subject: Firestones Don't assume that anyone that's had problems with these tires is an SUV nimrod with a phone plastered to their ear. We had a Firestone Wilderness tire come apart on our Tacoma V-6. The tire had a good amount of mileage on it, but still had useable tread. Inflation was checked regularly. Travelling at about 80 mph in the fast lane on I-5 (about 10 pm, fortunately) the right rear tire came apart catastrophically. The remaining ribbon of tread wrapped itself around the axle, bringing the rear around even more violently than you would expect. It took some very fancy driving all over the freeway lanes, but no collisions or hard impact resulted. If it had happened at 5 pm, someone would have been hurt. I checked the remains of the tire afterward, and there were no signs of any road hazard damage which could have caused the tire to literally fly apart. Since they did have some miles on them, I didn't take any action. So, not to be hysterical about it, but if you have a set of these tires, do yourself a favor and get rid of them. We had actually complained about the quality of these tires to Toyota shortly after we bought the vehicle, because they had very poor performance characteristics for a vehicle with the acceleration and weight of a Tacoma. In general, I've noted that there are a lot of cheap rock hard tires being shipped on some very capable cars. Eagle GAs may be fine on a Buick Century, but they don't belong belong on a Camaro. I stongly recommend that before buying a performance car, take a good look at the tires and make better tires a part of the deal before signing on the bottom line. Ron Chapman 85 CRX CSP 99 Miata Sport From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 13:11:15 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: JDMurphy47@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:33:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Usual Questions About Perry On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:11:25 EDT JDMurphy47@aol.com writes: > Ben, > The usual questions about Perry: > > 1. Register & Tech Friday? Yes, location to be determined but probably at the site. > 2. Set up canopy Friday? Yes > 3. Where inside the fence will the paddock be set up (I surmise > that the > grid will be right inside the gate)? We will be pitting in the grass on the left as you enter the North gate > > Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 13:11:13 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: tjtoreno@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:37:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Solo2Atlanta] Georgia State Solo II Championship On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:10:28 -0400 TJ Toreno writes: > Ben, > Whats the exit number to get to the Fairgrounds? I'm not exactly sure, but I think it is 135. There are lots of signs on the interstate that tell you which exit to take for the Georgia National Fairgrounds. Also, what time do > we have > to be there on Saturday and sunday? Do we have to register on-line > or can we > do it when we get there? We will be having registration on Friday night but we would prefer you registering online especially if any of your registration information has changed. We will be using the Atlanta computer to register everyone, so if your info is in the system and is correct you can wait until you arrive at the site Friday night, Saturday morning or Sunday morning. Exact times to be determined in the next couple weeks. > > Last question: If we only plan to run one day, which day will count > towards > our Atlanta SCCA points battle? The Atlanta points event will be on Sunday. > > Thanks > TJ > > Ben Thatcher wrote: > > > --- Sponsor's Message -------------------------------------- > > Gator is FREE software that fills in forms and remembers > > passwords with NO TYPING. Plus Gator comes with $100 in > > coupons just for trying it! Fast download. Grab the Gator. > > http://click.topica.com/aaaavlausWMfauw7jUa/Gator > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Everyone is welcome to come autocross at the Georgia State Solo II > > Championship in Perry, Georgia on August 26 & 27. This event is > co-hosted > > by the Middle Georgia SCCA and Atlanta Region SCCA regions. > > > > The Championship event will be held on 5 adjoining parking lots > just > > outside the North entrance gate to the Georgia National > Fairgrounds in > > Perry, which is located about 1 1/2 hours south of Atlanta on > Interstate > > 75. > > > > This event is in conjunction with the "Georgia MotorFest" car show > and > > sound-off which will be staged inside the fairgrounds. This year, > our > > entrants will be pitted and staged inside the gate so our > competitors' > > cars will be part of the show during our event. > > > > In order to compete for the Georgia State Championship, in your > class, > > you must enter and run both Saturday and Sunday. However, entrants > may > > run either single day if they choose. Entry fee for both days is > $45 and > > for one day the fee is $25. This event is open to SCCA and > non-SCCA > > members over 16 years of age who have a current driver's license. > Drivers > > under age 18 will need to have a Minor Waiver signed by a parent > or > > guardian at the event site. > > > > The Georgia National Fairgrounds is located just east of I-75 in > Perry. > > There will be signs on the interstate guiding you to the site. Go > to the > > North entrance to get to the autocross site. > > > > Below please find the motel information for the weekend. The event > > parties will be happening at the Holiday Inn at exit 136. > > > > Days Inn & Suites > > 205 Lect Drive > > Perry, GA 31069 > > 912-218-5200 > > Rate: $58 (Ask for GMF-Georgia Motor Fest) > > Note: Newest hotel in Perry, on same exit as Fairgrounds > > > > Jameson Inn > > 200 Market Place Drive > > Perry, GA 31069 > > 912-987-5060 > > Rate: $45 (Ask for GMF-Georgia Motor Fest) > > Note: 2nd Newest hotel in Perry, one exit from Fairgrounds near > most > > restaurants > > > > In case those hotels book up, SCCA'ers are welcome at the GMF host > hotel > > as > > well: > > Holiday Inn > > 700 Valley Drive > > Perry, GA 31069 > > 1-800-808-8804 > > Rate: $59 (Ask for GMF-Georgia Motor Fest) > > Note: Longtime host hotel for the car show & car stereo > competitors @ > > GMF, > > full restaurant and bar > > 24 hour security with cameras monitoring the parking areas > > > > Ben Thatcher > > Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports > > Stockbridge, GA > > > > --- Sponsor's Message -------------------------------------- > > TOO MUCH DEBT? Let this nonprofit help you lower your credit card > > interest charges and consolidate your payments without a loan. If > you > > have $5000 in credit card debt, click here. > > http://click.topica.com/aaaav5ausWMfauw7jUc/Edebt > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To unsubscibe from this list send a blank email message to: > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 > > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics > Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 13:26:01 2000 From: Mark Darby To: Eric Buckley , Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Reclassification.......What will happen in STS? Hi Team! It is apperent to me that those whom have responded to my 2 year results compilation didnt actually read my "RAW" dat but read the "Bastardized" version created by another member of Team.Net. In which he included names( I didnt so the "classing people vs cars" issue could not be derived from this raw data). He also included times(from the 1999 Pro Solos) for the National Series G Stock class. Comparing these times creates an Apples vs Oranges situation,since the National Series in Pro Solo for 1999 was intended to create a "Junior Varsity" and increase attendance at Pro Solos. This "Bastardized" version came to the conclusion that the current G Stock cars and the NEONS were within the same second in times. My "RAW" data concluded that,for 1999, the G Stock cars were an average of .617 of a second faster. For 2000, the data shows a difference of 2.178 sec that the G Stock cars enjoy. The 2 year average being 1.397 seconds advantage to the G Stock cars. I personally believe that this differential is more that enough to separate the cars by class. But, that just my opinion! The fact that the STS/R rules are derived by combinning the stock class rules and the street prepared rules,how does one come to the conclusion that STS/R classes are not a consideration when forming new stock classes since the basic rules are the same.But, thats just how my mind works! Mark(Rainman)Darby # 3 DS --- Eric Buckley wrote: > Mark Darby wrote: > > > > > Hi Team! > > Hi Mark! > > > I just had the question run through my mind. > Since > > the Type R and the DSM(whatever that stands > for)Turbos > > DSM = Diamond Star Motors > > > are not currently allowed in STS ,with the > proposed > > changes,will they be? Or will the NEON no longer > be > > eligable for STS? > > Not unless they change the rules for STS/R > eligibility. > > > When they created the class STS,they had the > > where-with-all not to place the NEONS with the > Type > > R's or DSM Turbos, > > No they didn't. The Neon is listed as an "example" > of an eligible car, but > it is not specifically classed in ST. The Type R and > the Eclipse/Talon Turbo > are not specifically excluded, they just fail to > meet the criteria. > > > how come they decided that the cars > > should become classmates in their stock forms? > > Whose they? I think you're looking for conspiracies > where they don't exist. > The SCAC does not worry about classes outside of > stock when they are > classing stock. The Integra GS/R runs in GS against > both your offending > examples and is a good deal slower than a Neon in > stock trim. > Same can be said of the Probe/MX-6 and Camaro. There > was a time when those > were the "big dogs" of GS. Things change. > > > Any info would be greatly appreciated as it will > be > > included in my 37th email to the SCCA regarding > the > > reclassifications. > > Why do you think the SCCA cares about *our* > speculation regarding what > *they* were thinking. If you want to impress them, > send facts. Fact is that > the Neon and Type R are pretty close. See the recent > post regarding winning > times at NT events. Cars that consistently finish > within a second of each > other are pretty evenly matched. > > Otherwise, you could always come over to Street > Touring. Love to have you. > > Eric Buckley > 7STR: 98 Integra GSR > St Louis Region > __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 14:37:14 2000 From: Ross Fortini To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Labor Day Weekend at Rt66 Jon, to add to comments made by Mike "Rt66 Index Dominator" Bullis and Gary "Every Site's Grippy When You Never Have To Lift" Meissner, here are a few items to aid your decision about whether to attend the Labor Day event at Route 66 Raceway: PLUSES: + A quick scan of the CenDiv regional schedule shows that there is a divisional event in Ohio, a Central Illinois regional, and a WAI event at the beautiful Milwaukee County Stadium facility on Monday. Some of the "extra" people we see at Route 66 are often Central Illinois, South Bend or Wisconsin people, so these other events should reduce their numbers at the CR event. Also, the CenDiv will pull/keep a few people away who are running for points in the Divisional series. + Events at this site have gotten a bad reputation--somewhat unfairly--so the attendance hasn't been as high as before (so I guess that means I should be telling you "DON'T SHOW UP--THIS PLACE SUCKS!" ;->) + The region no longer shares the lot with the bracket dragracers. Part of the debacle of the aforementioned event(s) was that there was damn little space for a course, much less paddock for 175 cars, a decent-size grid, registration, tech lines, etc. The cramped quarters caused *everything* to take longer. Now there is *so* much room that the course designers haven't quite used all of the available space. The courses are usually really good here, as well. MINUSES: - It is a long weekend. Many folks don't have to work Monday so they won't mind going farther to attend an autocross to which they wouldn't normally travel. - Newbies, while always nice to see, are often in above-average abundance at Rt66 events. As Gary mentioned, it is a mystery for the ages as to why. - The "150 car max" rule still *does not* apply to members of Chicago Region (unless you've heard otherwise, Gary). So if 150 non-members preregister but 25 members want to register at the event site, they get in regardless of the limit. That was the problem with the nightmare event in 1998 (IN DEFENSE OF THAT EVENT, it was a *joint* event between CR-SCCA and TSSCC and I can't think of a single member from either club that didn't show up that day). OTHER FACTORS: ? Grippiness notwithstanding, it's asphalt (and probably slippery asphalt for the morning runs). Decide whether the event will substantially aid you in your preparation for Nationals given your goals. If you just want seat time--see ya there! If you want to dial in your car for Topeka--enjoy your family and have a barbeque instead! Wishing you safe travels--Ross Fortini Formerly: G Stock '99 Mitsu GSX Currently: A Mod '97 Corellian Pod Racer Eventually: C Mod '88 Van Diemen _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 14:51:09 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:52:43 -0400 Subject: Labor Day Gateway To Nationals, St. Louis was....Re: Labor Day Weekend at Rt66 Why worry about all those minuses at the RT 66 event..... when you can come to St. Charles Missouri for the Solotime Gateway To Nationals! + Brand new Solo2 location this year + great BIG lot + On the way to Nationals... if you have a long vacation and are starting early... + Casino Boats + It's on the good side of the river... + You can race in STS and beat my 94 Golf, hell, everyone can + Free photos.... courtesy of Christoc.com, hey that's me. Photos taken saturday will be available for free sunday, online later that week - (NONE!) Chris "still in his first year" Hammond 94 Golf STS -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 14:51:20 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:49:51 EDT Subject: Artie Emerson..need to talk with you.. Hey, e-mail me back, need to fill you in on newest info and get OK's from you on some stuff.. Jean From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 16:22:37 2000 From: Craig Blome To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures I would normally dismiss this as the media crying wolf, but it got a mention in Automotive News in the May 22 issue. There were 30+ accidents reported involving four deaths at that point. It was enough of a statistical anomaly that the NHTSA initiated a defect investigation. (i.e. if the distribution of idiots is more or less even across tire brands, why are the Firestones blowing out more often?) There is another article on Firestone related accidents at . It's mostly kind of skewed (for example, it doesn't mention reporter Stephen Gauvain was unbelted in the crash that killed him), but the allegations of "dry" rubber stock being reused in Firestone tire production are interesting and disturbing. It could be the Firestone 500 story all over again... anyway, I don't own these tires, but there is enough credible evidence of *something* amiss that I would consider ditching them if I did. Craig Blome > > Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:25:55 -0700 > From: Bill Ozinga > Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures > > > While I don't want to say there isn't a problem with the tires, I > wonder how > many of those incidents are due to underinflation, which seems to the > main > cause of "just blew with no warning." On top of that, add in the > possibility > that the Ford Explorer could be a bit on the tippy side, you have a > recipe > for a problem. (Add in my pet peeve - how many were on the phone at > the > time?) > > How often do you think people *really* check their tire pressure? > __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 17:02:11 2000 From: Rex Tener To: Team dot Net Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:22:38 -0700 Subject: Scooter legality for Solo II Nationals I am thinking about buying a razor scooter to bring to nationals. It would be a great tool to get around Forbes Field with. Their description can be found at: http://www.razor-scooter.com/products/130b1.html The question is... are they legal for the Solo II Nationals? The supplemental regulations have this to say: C. Safety 12. Skate boards (motorized or manual, with or without stand-up handlebars or seat) [...] are prohibited from use in all areas of the event site. I can see the argument both ways. It sort of looks like a skateboard with stand-up handlebars, however, it only has two wheels, instead of four like a skateboard. Any thoughts? I guess the Chief Safety Steward will have to make a determination. -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com 1995 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo II A-Stock #173 __________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 17:05:25 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Rex Tener'" , Team dot Net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:53:06 -0700 Subject: RE: Scooter legality for Solo II Nationals I would think the only safety issue is if it has brakes or not. that is the only reason I can see for banning skateboards and allowing bikes. -----Original Message----- From: Rex Tener [mailto:rex_tener@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 2:23 PM To: Team dot Net Cc: Rex Tener Subject: Scooter legality for Solo II Nationals I am thinking about buying a razor scooter to bring to nationals. It would be a great tool to get around Forbes Field with. Their description can be found at: http://www.razor-scooter.com/products/130b1.html The question is... are they legal for the Solo II Nationals? The supplemental regulations have this to say: C. Safety 12. Skate boards (motorized or manual, with or without stand-up handlebars or seat) [...] are prohibited from use in all areas of the event site. I can see the argument both ways. It sort of looks like a skateboard with stand-up handlebars, however, it only has two wheels, instead of four like a skateboard. Any thoughts? I guess the Chief Safety Steward will have to make a determination. -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com 1995 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo II A-Stock #173 __________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 17:16:43 2000 From: Randy Chase To: Rex Tener Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:22:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Scooter legality for Solo II Nationals The net result is, there is no way you are going to win on a Scooter in any class. I don't care if they made over 1000 of them. They are not H-Stock. What? That was not what you meant? Oh.... Nevermind.... Randy Chase (gone for a few days....so you won't see anymore of these kind of posts....what? is that clapping?) :-) '2000 Razor 130 Green wheeled Scooter with front suspension springs From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 17:37:31 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: rex_tener@yahoo.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:35:52 PDT Subject: Re: Scooter legality for Solo II Nationals Let's see, it's LIKE a skate board, but LESS stable - sure why not? (Better pack a pair of new sneakers, though, just in case.) KeS >From: Rex Tener >Reply-To: Rex Tener >To: Team dot Net >CC: Rex Tener >Subject: Scooter legality for Solo II Nationals >Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:22:38 -0700 > >I am thinking about buying a razor scooter to bring to nationals. It would >be a great tool to get around Forbes Field with. > >Their description can be found at: > > http://www.razor-scooter.com/products/130b1.html > >The question is... are they legal for the Solo II Nationals? > >The supplemental regulations have this to say: > > C. Safety > > 12. Skate boards (motorized or manual, with or without stand-up >handlebars or seat) [...] are prohibited > from use in all areas of the event site. > >I can see the argument both ways. It sort of looks like a skateboard with >stand-up handlebars, however, it only has two wheels, instead of four like >a skateboard. > >Any thoughts? I guess the Chief Safety Steward will have to make a >determination. > >-- >Rex Tener >rex_tener@yahoo.com >1995 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo II A-Stock #173 > > >__________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 18:21:29 2000 From: "Glenn Duensing" To: "Rex Tener" , "Team dot Net" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:17:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Scooter legality for Solo II Nationals Rex and all. Razor scooters will not be allowed at Nationals this year. One of the problems is the width of the wheel. As you know, Topeka has some big holes and cracks and it's too easy to get a wheel caught in one. Glenn Duensing Nationals 2000 Chief of Safety > I am thinking about buying a razor scooter to bring to nationals. It would > be a great tool to get around Forbes Field with. > > Their description can be found at: > > http://www.razor-scooter.com/products/130b1.html > > The question is... are they legal for the Solo II Nationals? > > The supplemental regulations have this to say: > > C. Safety > > 12. Skate boards (motorized or manual, with or without stand-up > handlebars or seat) [...] are prohibited > from use in all areas of the event site. > > I can see the argument both ways. It sort of looks like a skateboard with > stand-up handlebars, however, it only has two wheels, instead of four like > a skateboard. > > Any thoughts? I guess the Chief Safety Steward will have to make a > determination. > > -- > Rex Tener > rex_tener@yahoo.com > 1995 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo II A-Stock #173 > > > __________________________________________________ > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 18:37:25 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:35:52 EDT Subject: Nick & Paula Leverone??? Will Nick or Paula please contact me privately? Charlie Davis From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 19:28:10 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:26:38 EDT Subject: Re: Scooter legality for Solo II Nationals Well, lemme take a stab at this one! 1991 - Salina KS: I was cruising along between the North and South courses at the Nationals on my Go-Ped, doing about 18 mph (max speed) and didn't see one of those looooooooooong drainage grates coming 'til too late. (Go-Ped tires don't like drainage grates.) I tried the one option I thought I had - jump the grate. Having successfully jumped over things, this seemed a sure bet. Jumped too early. Rear tire hit grate (I think, not sure). Go Ped stops. Human beings cannot achieve 18 mph instantaneously. 10-15 feet later, Charlie stops, 7 point landing. Elbows, knees, hands, chin. 7 stitches in Salina hospital. 1992 - Salina KS: Go-Ped is declared a "skateboard" though it has only the board in common with a skateboard. I wrote a letter to the SEB and Safety Committee asking what I needed to do to make it not a skateboard (bigger tires? add a seat? footpegs instead of board?) No answer. Go-Ped goes into "Solo 2 Nationals hibernation." 1996(?) - Topeka KS: Charlie sees Bruce Domeck's little tiny motorcycle with little tiny tires and has an idea. 1997(?) - Topeka KS: Go-Ped has a mini-bike seat, at mini-bike height, with handlebars chopped to mini-bike height, and footpegs in place of board. Charlie gets to site and immediately rides up to Andy Andrews (paddocked with Bruce Domeck) on "Go-bike" (or is it "mini-ped?") to ask if it's allowed at this site. Answer is "yes" as long as Charlie doesn't loan it to anyone and promises to stay away from the one drainage grate on site (in impound.) Charlie promises to only impound his car, not the Contraption Formerly Known As Go-Ped. Andy advises that this allowance IS site specific, and that he knows of Cen-Div sites where he would not allow it. Charlie (from San Francisco Region) agrees not to bring it to those sites. Charlie also takes considerable care riding over Topeka's many bad pavement patches, and does not go full speed on the site at all. Given that these scooters have even smaller tires than the CFKAG-P and Domeck's Bike, I'm thinking they might be a bad idea at Topeka. The Chief Safety Steward IS the person to talk to about it. CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 4 22:19:17 2000 From: "Eric Buckley" To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:23:41 -0500 Subject: RE: Reclassification.......What will happen in STS? Mark Darby wrote: > Hi Team! Hi again! > It is apperent to me that those whom have responded > to my 2 year results compilation didnt actually read > my "RAW" dat but read the "Bastardized" version > created by another member of Team.Net. Actually, I read both and found them both to be without statistical merit. Extreme values (fastest times and the like) are very volatile, especially given the number of uncontrolled variables (driver, different run groups, course design, etc.). I didn't see anybody quote a variance, a t-statistic, an alpha risk. I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here. There are reasons why statisticians insist on these things. If one is allowed to make a case based on small sample averages, one can prove just about anything. Lies, damn lies, and statistics is the saying. > Comparing these > times creates an Apples vs Oranges situation,since the > National Series in Pro Solo for 1999 was intended to > create a "Junior Varsity" and increase attendance at > Pro Solos. That's one way to look at it. I think some would debate that. I won't. Here's another way to slice the data. I'll only use NT results. Roll all the DS Neons into GS and look at the trophies. Meridian: 17 Drivers, 6 Trophies Eclipse, Eclipse, Neon, Neon, Neon, Neon San Diego: 15 Drivers, 5 Trophies Type R, Type R, 325, Prelude, Probe Fort Worth: 22 Drivers, 8 Trophies Type R, Impreza, Camaro, Type R, Neon, Talon, Probe, 328 Ayer: 21 Drivers, 7 Trophies Neon, Neon, Neon, Corrado, Type R, Neon, Sunfire Peru: 22 Drivers, 8 Trophies Prelude, Corrado, Eclipse, Neon, Neon, Type R, Neon, Eclipse Bremerton: 17 Drivers, 6 Trophies Type R, Neon, Neon, TT, Neon, Shelby, Neon All in all that's Neons taking 14 of 40 trophies and one overall win. I'm not sure how one concludes from these results that the Neon isn't competitive. Certainly not a class killer, but not getting killed, either. Perhaps it's time the Neon drivers woke up to the fact that not every car gets its own class. > My "RAW" data > concluded that,for 1999, the G Stock cars were an > average of .617 of a second faster. For 2000, the data > shows a difference of 2.178 sec that the G Stock cars > enjoy. No, what your data showed was the margin between the *fastest* G-stock car and the *fastest* Neon. That's a total of 6 data points. Hardly enough for a conclusive sample, especially given the variance. Projecting this onto the entire Neon/GS population is dubious at best. When a larger sample is considered, the Neon looks a whole lot better. > The fact that the STS/R rules are derived by > combinning the stock class rules and the street > prepared rules,how does one come to the conclusion > that STS/R classes are not a consideration when > forming new stock classes since the basic rules are > the same. You're mixing class and category (easy enough to do with a hybrid category/class like ST). STS/R (and SM for that matter) are derived from the *Category* allowance for Stock and SP. There is absolutely NO mention of *Class* anywhere in the ST rules except to distinguish STS from STR. Eric Buckley 7STR: 98 Integra GSR St Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 00:13:32 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: , , Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:18:07 -0500 Subject: San Antonio Texas help needed. No, I am not the little boy who cried "wolf". It just seems that way. I bid at auction on a TR4 in San Antonio. Lost. Then I asked for folks to look at a car in North Carolina. This morning, the Texas folks called me. The auction winner chickened at the cost of shipping the car. I can understand that. I offered to honor my original bid, contingent on inspection. They accepted. I have every reason to believe this car is as-represented. But before I fly down to take delivery and drive it home (if it ain't up to a 1300-mile road trip, it ain't worth what I am paying), I'd like someone to look it over and drive it. If there does happen to be a smoking gun, I can still tap out and get back the substantial deposit I mailed today. I really think this is a done deal, though, and that neither I nor the sellers are trying stiff anyone. Those of you on the net who have bought parts from me or sold parts to me can attest to my honesty in dealings. My trip plans are not complete. I expect do this San-Antonio-to-Saint-Paul run in four days. Two days would do it in my Saturn, but I'd be out of my mind to schedule a marathon like that in a car like this. Besides, I don't get out of town that much, and I'd like to get together with fellow Britcar and autocrossing netters along the way. Dinner at some chatter-friendly location with a bunch of car folks would be a wonderful way to wrap up a day on the road. Also, recommendations of inexpensive places to sleep with reasonable security for a sharp car like this would be appreciated. ADthanksVANCE Phil "Have cell-phone. Will travel." Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 09:58:17 2000 From: bluemr2@juno.com To: brianberryhill@usa.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:37:17 -0400 Subject: Got my RE71's put on >As far as the new tires go, I hate how new tires feel squooshy, but that's >just a fact of life. My GY's had great steering response as slicks. The >RE71's have less road noise it seems. I'll give a post on the handling once >I start hitting a few curves. I just heat cycled them on the way home, so >I'll let them cool for a while. Next autox is in 3 weeks, so I'll give them >a beating then. I loved my RE71s (OEM tire for '91 MR2), but they are no longer made in 14" :-( Great in summer (better than Yokohama AVS-i), and I even made it through 3 North West Ohio winters on them... Not so good in the wet, gotta treat rain almost like snow. Great wear, rears laster 55,000 miles, fronts lasted 70,000 until a bad alignment (1/2" toe out) ate them. :-( Brian '91 MR2 4ap ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 10:21:13 2000 From: jon e prevo To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:59:11 -0500 Subject: Oil God, but Saturdays are boring on Team.net! I use Castrol Syntec oil in my personal vehicles, changing the oil every 5000 miles. I sell Castrol GTX to my customers with a recommended interval of 3000 miles. In my race car I had been using GTX, changing it every 2nd event. I tried the Valvoline VR-1 racing oil and then the Redline, but I can't see a particular advantage. What oils are other people using and what are the perceived advantages? Is this Redline oil really worth $7.00 a quart? How often are you other guys changing your oil? Jon FP 73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 11:52:39 2000 From: "Brandon C. Fetch" To: tcbracer@juno.com Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:49:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Oil I do my daily driver every 3k miles and use Castrol Syntec full synthetic 10W-30. Plus, every other oil change I put in the Dura-Guard filter from Fram. It's got TEFLON so I can cook on my oil-pan! ;-) Seriously, the 3k change was something my dad strictly enforced upon me once I started driving. Nothing like maintaining the vehicles that we depend upon! L8R Brandon DS86 '99 Neon R/T tcbracer@juno.com on 08/05/2000 11:20:45 AM Please respond to tcbracer@juno.com@Internet To: autox@autox.team.net@Internet cc: Subject: Oil God, but Saturdays are boring on Team.net! I use Castrol Syntec oil in my personal vehicles, changing the oil every 5000 miles. I sell Castrol GTX to my customers with a recommended interval of 3000 miles. In my race car I had been using GTX, changing it every 2nd event. I tried the Valvoline VR-1 racing oil and then the Redline, but I can't see a particular advantage. What oils are other people using and what are the perceived advantages? Is this Redline oil really worth $7.00 a quart? How often are you other guys changing your oil? Jon FP 73 ******************************************************************************* Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP ******************************************************************************* From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 12:21:26 2000 From: "Richard Rees" To: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:26:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Oil So, how does Teflon stick to the pan? Random thought for a rainy Saturday... ----- Original Message ----- From: Brandon C. Fetch To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Oil > I do my daily driver every 3k miles and use Castrol Syntec full synthetic 10W-30. Plus, every other oil change I put in the Dura-Guard filter from Fram. > It's got TEFLON so I can cook on my oil-pan! ;-) > > Seriously, the 3k change was something my dad strictly enforced upon me once I started driving. Nothing like maintaining the vehicles that we depend upon! > > L8R > > Brandon > DS86 '99 Neon R/T > > > > > tcbracer@juno.com on 08/05/2000 11:20:45 AM > > Please respond to tcbracer@juno.com@Internet > To: autox@autox.team.net@Internet > cc: > Subject: Oil > > God, but Saturdays are boring on Team.net! > > I use Castrol Syntec oil in my personal vehicles, changing the oil every > 5000 miles. I sell Castrol GTX to my customers with a recommended > interval of 3000 miles. In my race car I had been using GTX, changing it > every 2nd event. I tried the Valvoline VR-1 racing oil and then the > Redline, but I can't see a particular advantage. > > What oils are other people using and what are the perceived advantages? > Is this Redline oil really worth $7.00 a quart? How often are you other > guys changing your oil? > > Jon FP 73 > > > > > **************************************************************************** *** > Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP > **************************************************************************** *** From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 12:46:31 2000 From: jon e prevo To: greyhawke@home.com Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:41:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Oil More importantly, does it change the flavor of your bacon and eggs? Jon FP 73 On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:26:38 -0500 "Richard Rees" writes: > So, how does Teflon stick to the pan? > > > It's got TEFLON so I can cook on my oil-pan! ;-) > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 13:19:52 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: Team dot Net Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Scooter legality for Solo II Nationals Howdy, On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Glenn Duensing wrote: > Razor scooters will not be allowed at Nationals this year. One of the > problems > is the width of the wheel. As you know, Topeka has some big holes and > cracks and it's too easy to get a wheel caught in one. Wow! Thanks for protecting me! Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 13:40:58 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:39:36 EDT Subject: Chicago Evolution School few slots open-Aug 19-20 The Evolution/McKamey schoool stil has a couple slots open for the weekend of August 19-20. If you are missing the Peru warm up we are having due to all the other events going on, don't miss the last chance to get in and freshen up before Kansas..They are having a phase 1 and 2 on Saturday and a phase 1 and 3(the first and only one in the midwest for the year) on sunday. Instructors in for this- Jean Kinser(who is in need of a babysitter at the hotel pool for one of the days possibly) Marc Dana Larry Fine Rob Falkner Nick Leverone Contact Paula Fortini at paula.fortini@excite.com Feel free to pass this on to other lists you think might have interest. Thanks- Jean From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 14:54:24 2000 From: dzmyth To: Richard Rees Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 15:53:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Oil The trouble with Teflon is that it takes about 350 degrees F. for it to bond to metal... Dave Z From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 15:49:04 2000 From: Dave Young To: "Brandon C. Fetch" Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:48:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Oil Teflon would be included as small particles... seems like a GOOD filter would remove these particles and in the process prematurely load/clog(?). I've run Mobil1 (10-30) in an LT1 motor for @108K miles and the engine doesn't even burn a drop of oil(!!). Oil/filter changes every 5K miles. Dave Young '94 ESP Trans Am AZ Region "Brandon C. Fetch" wrote: > I do my daily driver every 3k miles and use Castrol Syntec full synthetic 10W-30. Plus, every other oil change I put in the Dura-Guard filter from Fram. > It's got TEFLON so I can cook on my oil-pan! ;-) > > Seriously, the 3k change was something my dad strictly enforced upon me once I started driving. Nothing like maintaining the vehicles that we depend upon! > > L8R > > Brandon > DS86 '99 Neon R/T > > tcbracer@juno.com on 08/05/2000 11:20:45 AM > > Please respond to tcbracer@juno.com@Internet > To: autox@autox.team.net@Internet > cc: > Subject: Oil > > God, but Saturdays are boring on Team.net! > > I use Castrol Syntec oil in my personal vehicles, changing the oil every > 5000 miles. I sell Castrol GTX to my customers with a recommended > interval of 3000 miles. In my race car I had been using GTX, changing it > every 2nd event. I tried the Valvoline VR-1 racing oil and then the > Redline, but I can't see a particular advantage. > > What oils are other people using and what are the perceived advantages? > Is this Redline oil really worth $7.00 a quart? How often are you other > guys changing your oil? > > Jon FP 73 > > ******************************************************************************* > Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP > ******************************************************************************* From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 19:08:30 2000 From: Ed Bickford To: David Hawkins Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:11:30 -0400 Subject: Re: DTN Nominee #3? You get my vote! David Hawkins wrote: > I suppose I'm the only one not to pony up some personal > info so far....so here goes: > > I started autoxing in Seattle 4 years ago when I went to an > event to meet up with a fellow MR2 owner. I plowed the > course with my 89 Supercharged car and then came back > the next week to get a ride with Glen Hernandez and get some > insight into how it should really be done. I was hooked. I moved > to Pensacola the month after my first autox and got involved with > Gulf Coast Region right after I got settled. The first year was spent > learning the car and attending as many events as I could. The > second year I was appointed Solo II Co-Chair and made it my > unofficial job to bring down the course speeds while making the > courses themselves more technical (since no one was providing > course maps, I figured I'd come up with some that favored my 112HP > MR2). While Solo II Co-Chair, I championed the cause for a novice > program and ride-alongs in the region (fruitlessly, but I fought the good > fight). Last year I jumped to Dixie Region since I was running there > every month anyway. I try to help out as I can, but being 3 hours from > the site doesn't lend to my abilities in that area. > > I try to build up autoxing wherever I go, as I think it does have a direct > impact in how good of a driver you are everyday life. I've chosen to > stick with some of the most profoundly classed cars despite their > weaknesses (93 Mr2 Turbo in ASP, 85 ITA Mr2 in CSP, 86 Mr2 > in CSP, Toyota Cressida in EM), and pass on whatever setup information > I learn to whoever happens to ask (and some who don't happen to). I > still compete in Gulf Coast Region every month, and am still championing > the need for ride-alongs, in addition to running in Dixie every month. When > I can convince the SO to let me, I run Wiregrass too :) > > I was pretty strong in the running last year, but didn't want to create a > conflict in my region (JD was from Dixie also) and it didn't look like Uncle > Sam was going to give me time off anyway. > > Personal Background....I'm 31, with a BS from the Naval Academy in > Aerospace Engineering. I resigned my commission last month after 10 > years on active duty and look forward to some time of my own and the > inevitable job hunt. Mr2s have been my passion since I bought my first new > car, the 93 Turbo, in August of 1993. I've owned 14 of them and currently > have > bits and pieces of 7 parts cars scattered about the house in addition to the > 93 > in the garage and 86 which is in the middle of an engine rebuild. An 88 > Supercharged car with an uncertain fate sits in the front yard. My first > car was a > 1966 Corvair, which I restored with my father and which now resides in his > garage > awaiting my purchase of a larger storage area. I pulled Dad into the SCCA > at the > final Divisional of 1998 when I bought him a membership for his birthday > and > surprised him with a co-drive when he came to watch me run. > > But...I'm rambling. I really enjoy this forum and hope that I add to it > when I > can. If you see fit to send me to nationals, I promise to wear a big DTN > T shirt every day and shake the hand of every team.netter that I run across. > I'll > even keep a few cold ones in the Winnie for ya. > > David Hawkins > 86 Mr2 CSP in pieces > DTN hopeful From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 20:42:56 2000 From: jwalter@ptra.com To: ax-digest@autox.team.net, tcbracer@juno.com Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:42:32 -0500 Subject: synthetic oils Jon, we run Mobil 1 in everything. That includes our ported 12a from hell. I use synthetic in both differentials and the transfer case of my Tahoe (103,000 miles). It gets 19 mpg on the highway and 15 pulling the RX-7. I change my street cars every 2,000 and the 12a gets a swap every other month. My wife's pathfinder (88) has 200,000 miles and still doesn't use oil, the motor is just as tight and powerful today as the day we bought it. Actually, it runs better now. It's been on Mobil 1 since the third oil change. James Rogerson [FP #125] - Techless Racing "Nails are glue, hypothetically speaking" - Lou Fertile "Men that like golf are unhappy at home and incapable of having a meaningful relationship with women" - Joseph Heller The census records were used in 1941-2 to identify, abduct and imprison innocent Japanese Americans. Be sure to fill out yours. Trust them. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 21:07:18 2000 From: jwalter@ptra.com To: ax-digest@autox.team.net, tcbracer@juno.com Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:42:32 -0500 Subject: synthetic oils Jon, we run Mobil 1 in everything. That includes our ported 12a from hell. I use synthetic in both differentials and the transfer case of my Tahoe (103,000 miles). It gets 19 mpg on the highway and 15 pulling the RX-7. I change my street cars every 2,000 and the 12a gets a swap every other month. My wife's pathfinder (88) has 200,000 miles and still doesn't use oil, the motor is just as tight and powerful today as the day we bought it. Actually, it runs better now. It's been on Mobil 1 since the third oil change. James Rogerson [FP #125] - Techless Racing "Nails are glue, hypothetically speaking" - Lou Fertile "Men that like golf are unhappy at home and incapable of having a meaningful relationship with women" - Joseph Heller The census records were used in 1941-2 to identify, abduct and imprison innocent Japanese Americans. Be sure to fill out yours. Trust them. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 21:20:59 2000 From: "Larry Steckel" To: tcbracer@juno.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:19:54 EDT Subject: Re: Oil Jon, I use Castrol 20W/50 in all my vehicles in the summer and Castrol 10W/40 in the winter with an oil change interval of 5000 miles. It gets cold enough here in Pittsburgh that on some mornings starting the car with 20weight in the sump is a trial. I see the advantage of the 20W/50 weight as being a thicker oil film. I will give up the few rpm's lost to the thicker viscosity. The 5W/30 stuff scares me. Larry Steckel >From: jon e prevo >Reply-To: jon e prevo >To: autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Oil >Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:59:11 -0500 > >God, but Saturdays are boring on Team.net! > >I use Castrol Syntec oil in my personal vehicles, changing the oil every >5000 miles. I sell Castrol GTX to my customers with a recommended >interval of 3000 miles. In my race car I had been using GTX, changing it >every 2nd event. I tried the Valvoline VR-1 racing oil and then the >Redline, but I can't see a particular advantage. > >What oils are other people using and what are the perceived advantages? >Is this Redline oil really worth $7.00 a quart? How often are you other >guys changing your oil? > >Jon FP 73 ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 5 22:29:33 2000 From: Ajstratton@aol.com To: ejbuckley@earthlink.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:28:01 EDT Subject: Re: Reclassification.......What will happen in STS? Glad to see this got rehashed. I lost my copy before getting a chance to put in my 2 cents. I wish the original stats were still attached as I did have serious confusion about the results cited for '99. Even the results are not truly reflective of particular events last year. 1) '99 Meridian Tour- Only 4 drivers got a dry Saturday run in GS. VERY important in the overall results. Joe Goeke won in Daniel Ledford's Talon, John Thomas was second in a Box Stock Mercury Cougar, and I was third, largely in part to dry first runs., second runs 10 seconds slower!! Based on Sunday's performance it could have been quite different had the whole weekend been dry. 2) Using Pro results last year to compare anything is a folly. Pro was divided between National Series GS, DS and Pro 2 and Pro 6. The AWD DSM's (GS'rs) were in P2 and none entered (in GS trim) all year. GS was ALWAYS the first heat, while P2 and P6 were afternoon. 3) As best as I can recall, the results cited stated there were no GS entries at several East coast events in '99. The fact is there was a GS at all events and DSM's competed in and finished 1&3 at Ft Meyers, 1-4,6 &11 at Peru,1st at Petersburg, 1-2 at Harrisburg, 1-3 at Topeka. 4) P6 and Daddio.... Maybe you should compare GS times to 2nd place! ;-) 5) The cars that have been dominating GS are not ST legal. The DSM's are turbos, and the Type-R has the disallowed type of limited slip. And sooner or later AWD will be disallowed in ST (IMHO). Alan From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 6 00:48:18 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net, BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com, Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 02:46:25 EDT Subject: Ozark, AL SEDiv Solo2 Entry List Hello SEDiv Solo2 competitors, We're trying to nail down worker groups and run schedules for the upcoming BFGoodrich Team T/A SEDiv Solo2 Series event at Ozark, AL on Aug. 12 - 13. Your assistance is needed to check the current online entry list for the event to see if your name is listed, but you're already certain you won't be attending. We're currently showing 142 pre-registered entrants. With the cancellation of the first two events it possible that you may have checked off entry for all the events, but will not be attending this particular one for whatever reason. You can access the Ozark SEDiv entry list at: http://www.eec.com/cgi-bin/carlist.pl?formVersion=d2.0 If you see your name listed, but know you won't be attending please email the SEDiv Solo2 Registrar, DTN candidate, and Team Laughing Stock protagonist; Karl Rickert, at: alfakarl@tds.net Thanks for your help, Mark Sipe SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 6 00:54:26 2000 From: HAVOCDEAN@aol.com To: tcbracer@juno.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 02:53:11 EDT Subject: Re: Oil Hey, As I remember, DuPont, the maker and or inventor of TEFLON does NOT recommend it used in internal combustion engines. I'm no engineer by any means, but I look at it this way. They seem to have a hellava time making TEFLON stick to our frying pans. I don't see how TEFLON would stick to engine parts coated with oil!!!!! As for oil, I have a 1987 Mustang 5.0 with 193000 miles on it. It has been raced hard and has had no failures using regular oil. I do use Mobil 1 in all of my vehicles now, but these vehicles don't have the miles on them that the Mustang has, so the jury is still out. I also recommend to my customers a 3k oil change. Why, its better to safe then sorry. It can't hurt. Dean Sapp Sapp Performance Center, Inc. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 6 04:09:00 2000 From: "Brian Berryhill" To: "Autox" Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 02:02:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Oil I used to use Fram until I read http://members.xoom.com/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html and now I currently use a PureOne filter. I didn't like the fact that the Fram I was using had cardboard in it. And, the data at http://www.mustangworks.com/technical/articles/misc/OilNotes.html helps confirm my own belief of using Mobil 1 synthetic 5w and 10w30 oils. Brian -- Brian Berryhill http://www.angelfire.com/ms/brianberryhill/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon C. Fetch" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Oil > I do my daily driver every 3k miles and use Castrol Syntec full synthetic 10W-30. Plus, every other oil change I put in the Dura-Guard filter from Fram. > It's got TEFLON so I can cook on my oil-pan! ;-) > > Seriously, the 3k change was something my dad strictly enforced upon me once I started driving. Nothing like maintaining the vehicles that we depend upon! > > L8R > > Brandon > DS86 '99 Neon R/T > ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 6 10:02:09 2000 From: "Richard Williams" To: "MR2 List" , Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:07:41 -0400 Subject: 1991-92 MR2 Stock Alloy wheels For Sale!! I have a set of rear 14x7 MR2 stock alloy wheels for sale. These are off a 1992 MR2 turbo. I do not have my 1992 MR2 any more and want to clean out the garage. The price for the wheels is $50 each. Thank You, Richard Williams 2000 Absolutely Red MR2 Spyder 2000 Carbon Blue Celica GT From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 6 11:21:15 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 13:19:57 EDT Subject: Re: Scooter legality for Solo II Nationals Glenn Duensing wrote: > Razor scooters will not be allowed at Nationals this year. One of the > problems > is the width of the wheel. As you know, Topeka has some big holes and > cracks and it's too easy to get a wheel caught in one. I'm not surprised. Their wheels are considerably smaller than those on Domeck's bike and my Go-bike, and I certainly have to be careful back there on mine... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 6 11:23:02 2000 From: "Eric Buckley" To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:28:14 -0500 Subject: RE: Reclassification.......What will happen in STS? Ajstratton@aol.com wrote: > 5) The cars that have been dominating GS are not ST legal. The DSM's are > turbos, and the Type-R has the disallowed type of limited slip. And sooner > or later AWD will be disallowed in ST (IMHO). Why? Most AWD cars are already excluded by the above mentioned limitations. The ones that remain haven't exactly been ripping up ST. At NT events (as well as in the St. Louis Region, where we get pretty good turnout) it's pretty much Hondas and Neons with the occasional odd car/great driver combo slipping in. Have you seen differently somewhere else? Eric Buckley 7STR: 98 Integra GSR St. Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 6 14:52:27 2000 From: "alex cilli" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 20:48:43 GMT Subject: epoxy Whats the best epoxy to use in fuel system maintenance. ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 6 17:20:46 2000 From: Craig Blome To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Oil Castrol Syntec users might be interested to know that Syntec is refined from crude oil! It uses what is called a Group III hydroprocessed basestock...aka 'dino juice'! (Group IV is polyalphaolefins and Group V esters, which are the components of Mobil 1, Redline, and other synthetics). Castrol can get away with this because there is no generally agreed definition of 'synthetic' in the lubricants industry. Mobil tried to complain to the BBB about Castrol and lost recently. The details are at . This does NOT necessarily mean that Syntec is inferior in any practical way to Group IV-V synthetics, just that it is different. I looked at the whole conventional vs. synthetic issue several months ago and switched from synthetic back to conventional oil...but I make sure I get a brand that uses a good Group II hydrocracked basestock. I use Pennzoil at the moment because it's cheap at Wal Mart (this is FAR different from the crap they made in years past, produced in a Conoco joint venture refinery in Lake Charles, Louisiana). I'll probably switch to Chevron Supreme because they are the leaders in motor oil refining (most of the big boys license their process from Chevron). I do not believe that I am sacrificing any engine protection in this way, outdated 10 year old FAQs notwithstanding. Plus, the Pennzoil seems to have cured the lifter clatter problem my Miata always suffered at the track with Mobil 1! (probably sludged up the lifters enough to shut 'em up :) Craig Blome PS wondering what all this gobbledygook is? check out the excellent reference library at __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 6 20:17:50 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:17:03 -0400 Subject: Looking for George Sargent All: I'm trying to contact George Sargent in Houston, TX. His number is now unlisted (maybe he knows I'm looking for him :^) ). Any help would be appreciated, thank you in advance. Matt Murray mattm@optonline.net From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 6 20:35:22 2000 From: Jeff Cashmore To: "team.net" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 21:35:32 -0500 Subject: Milwaukee BFG results/pictures http://www.spec-rx7.org/~cashmo/cendiv/2000/result5.prn has results http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/Solo/2000/00scca4.html has a few pics from Sat. -- Jeff Cashmore From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 6 23:08:33 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Phil Ethier" , , Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:12:50 -0500 Subject: San Antonio, Austin, Waco, Joplin, Des Moines? Hoping for good reports on the TR4, I took the big step and ordered my airline ticket. I arrive in San Antonio on Saturday August 19 at 8:35. I'm trying to take this in bite-sizes with an unfamiliar car which is 38 years old. SATURDAY and SUNDAY: Do what needs to be done and then drive to either: Waco and spend the night there and hook up with Jay Mitchell at the Waco autocross on Sunday. OR Austin and spend the night there and drive to Waco and hook up with Jay Mitchell at the autocross. OR Dallas and stay with Jay Mitchell and park the TR4 and ride back to Waco with Jay. Jay seems to think there may be some people at the Waco event who would be interested in seeing the car. Under scenario three, they won't see it there. Any suggestions of a good place to stay in Waco or Austin? Prefer cheap, clean, not upscale, but need a place where the car will be safe. I'd like to get together with local Britcar and autocrossing netters for dinner whichever town I wind up in. Open to suggestions here. Texas spokes club? And if I do one of the first two, I have to know how to find the Waco event! Sunday night is set either way. Dallas with Jay. Monday night, looks like Joplin, MO is the place to be. Suggestions for safe place for me and car? Where's the party? Tuesday night, looks like Des Moines, Iowa. Suggestions for safe place for me and car? Where's the party? Wednesday night, if all goes well, car and I will be home in our own beds. Well, shop, for the TR4. I want to have fun on this trip, not trouble, so I don't want to set an ambitious daily schedule. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 05:36:55 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:36:44 -0400 Subject: Last Call!! DTN Voting As a bartender I used to know would say at closing time (or just before it, it was many beers ago): "Drink! You animals, drink! Well, in our case: "Vote! You animals, vote!" Today is the LAST day to vote. However, it is not the last day to contribute. Either the paypal link or snail mail below. $1 to $1000, nothing is considered too small or large. The amount will not be disclosed. As will the voting will not be disclosed. BTW, I should have disclaimed this sooner, I am recusing myself from the voting for the obvious reasons. Good Luck to all the nominees! Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 06:22:16 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Matt Murray" , "Teamdotnet" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:27:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Last Call!! DTN Voting >"Vote! You animals, vote!" > >Today is the LAST day to vote. > >However, it is not the last day to contribute. Either the paypal link or >snail mail below. $1 to $1000, nothing is considered too small or large. The >amount will not be disclosed. As will the voting will not be disclosed. BTW, >I should have disclaimed this sooner, I am recusing myself from the voting >for the obvious reasons. Naw. You should get to vote. You are not in the running. :-) I'm sorry the timing of my Texas trip did not line up better with Nationals. I may have dropped in on you folks there. Now if you want to see the famous River Rhat on southern concrete, you will have to be at the Waco event on August 30. Sue just washed it and it will look as clean, white, effective and silly as when it was new for the first DTN in 1996. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 07:20:44 2000 From: "David Hawkins" To: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:19:41 -0500 Subject: Re: DTN contributions Update on the PayPal contributions: There is a total of $280 in the DTN PayPal account. The following people have contributed via PayPal: David Hawkins Barbara LeRoy-Boehme Chuck McMillion Jim Daniels Beth McClure William Loring Wally Strzelec Steven Ashcraft Jay Mitchell Kevin Stevens William Ozinga Peter Mottaz Jason Suknot Jon Prevo Shawn Shumaker Rex Tener John Coffey Randy Chase Mari Clements To donate, send funds to drivertonationals@yahoo.com To sign up and get the DTN a $5 referral bonus, use this link and ensure that the above address is in the referral block: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com Please do NOT send contributions to MY PayPal account, use the yahoo address listed above. David 'I really, really, really, really wanna be DTN' Hawkins 86 Mr2 CSP in pieces TLS 15 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 08:11:53 2000 From: "Brad Cox" To: , Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:10:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Oil >> As I remember, DuPont, the maker and or inventor of TEFLON does NOT recommend it used in internal combustion engines. I'm no engineer by any means, but I look at it this way. They seem to have a hellava time making TEFLON stick to our frying pans. I don't see how TEFLON would stick to engine parts coated with oil!!!!!<<< In a former life I was a chemist for TX Refinery Corp. We were never able to get PTFE-type additives to perform at all. Teflon bonds to metal at between 800 and 1000 degrees, and so much as a thumb print will prevent the bonding process from taking place. We even duplicated a fairly well known experiment involving 2 Briggs-n-Stratton engines. Another shop had performed this test and published their results, so we thought we'd give it a try too. We added non-synthetic motor oil (TRC brand) to one motor and a synthetic blended with Slick 50 to the other. We ran each motor for a few minutes, then drained the crank case. Then we ran each engine continuously for 24 hours. Both engines managed to complete the test. Afterwards we tore the engines apart to see what damage was done. The crank pin bearings in each motor were badly scored. But here's the kicker. The rings in the non-PTFE motor were fine, while the rings in the Slick 50 motor were completely shot. PTFE is a solid, and even though it's been ground into a fine powder, engine tolerances are just too close to allow for such a thing. -Brad (If you use Slick 50 and swear by it, don't be angry, it's nothing personal. Hard evidence please, and no tesitimonials. ;-) ) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 08:35:18 2000 From: "Brad Cox" To: , Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:33:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Oil >>This does NOT necessarily mean that Syntec is inferior in any practical way to Group IV-V synthetics, just that it is different. I looked at the whole conventional vs. synthetic issue several months ago and switched from synthetic back to conventional oil...but I make sure I get a brand that uses a good Group II hydrocracked basestock. << An interesting point about natural vs. synthetic is that natural oil actually has a lower friction coefficient. It's "more slicker" than synthetic oil. Not enough to matter, but it's fun to make comments like this in a volitile place like team.net. ;-) I tend to base my brand preference on the additive package that oil companies put in their base stock. High dollar 'not off the shelf' brands like TRC, Redline, and Royal Purple appeal to the trucking industry since trucks can't afford even a 10,000 mile oil change. These oils tend to have 2-3 times the amount of detergents and other additives that you will find in standard brands. For a car (especially a race car), I can't see how this would help at all. We never tested the Redline racing oil, so I don't know what their characteristics are. The 'best' over the counter oils we tested in terms of additives were Shell, Valvoline, Quaker State, and Mobil. Shell was the winner by a small margin, while the rest were pretty much even. However, this info is from several years ago so I don't know what's going on now. Really though, what the whole thing boils down to is oil change. If you change your oil every 3000 miles, you can use pretty much whatever you want, with a lot of attention to the oil and air filters. IMO, they are more important than the brand of oil itself. -Brad From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 08:36:33 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:32:20 -0400 Subject: NEDivs As always, from memory, likely to be weak on some classes/names/etc., but as I recall the trophy positions... SS--Strano, Solomon (in a Speed Yellow, don't call it French's Mustard Yellow 911). AS--Salerno, Rothney-Kozlak (AS got one dry run--deja vu anyone?--this time it was Sunday) BS--Aro (with a cone on every run Sunday), Clow (who also had some cone problems), Porteous (who had a great Sunday) CS--Newhard, Clements, Potocki (also one dry run Sunday) CSL--Clements DS--Zoner, Ryan, Sawyer DSL--Zoner, Sawyer ES--Foley FS--Johnson, Bistrais (I think I left out at least one trophy position here, and the order may be wrong) GS--4 trophy positions, and the only two I remember are Eric Moon and Alan Pozner, and I'm not sure of their order GSL--Freeburger HS--Strout HSL--?? ASP--Carle BSP--Chiu? CSP--have no idea how to say or spell the champion, but he drove a brown 1st gen RX7, Kugler, Adams, Ciufo (I could have the order wrong on the 2nd-4th place trophies) CSPL--Kugler DSP--not sure here. Tina Reeves was trading the lead early on, but I didn't see how it finished. She might have finished second. DSPL--someone in a pewter metallic Neon ESP--Fedja (like Cher and Charo, he only needs one name, right? O.K., so I can't spell his last name either...) I *think* Chabal held on for second, but am not sure ESPL--someone in a red BMW FSP--Chang Ho Kim had the early lead, but I didn't see how Sunday turned out FSPL--?? CP--Ostrovitz was third, but I forget 1st and 2nd DP--Scanell DPL--?? EP--Krysiak, I think, after he listened to Kathy and went to rains ( : EPL--?? FP--?? FPL--?? AM--Goodale BM--?? BML--Lyle CM--Paul Zahorn??--sorry about my inferior spelling here--I've certainly seen that name enough to get it right ) : I forget second, but I think Miller was third. (Happily, there are enough CM guys on team.net to fix this omission, right?) CML--Vincent DM--Shauf EM--?? EML--?? FM--?? FML--?? STS--Bly SM--Aidelbaum (borrowing an Eclipse), Rafferty, Witt, maybe McFetridge was in the fourth trophy position? All in the rain Sunday. FJr Jr (8-11)--Scanell, Cuifo FJr--I think his first name was Adam and his last name began with an S, but I can't remember. Ssturday was nice all day. Sunday, the sprinkles started in third heat. Fourth heat got one dry run, and fifth heat was run under conditions that ranged from full wet to standing water. Windshield wipers and lights. Lots of mod cars in those later heats (CM and BM for sure), who sadly didn't have windshield wipers and lights. mlc '91 MR2 NA -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 08:52:04 2000 From: Eric Moon To: Mari L Clements , autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:46:45 -0400 Subject: Re: NEDivs At 10:32 AM 8/7/00 -0400, Mari L Clements wrote: >As always, from memory, likely to be weak on some classes/names/etc., but >as I recall the trophy positions... >GS--4 trophy positions, and the only two I remember are Eric Moon and >Alan Pozner, and I'm not sure of their order 1st- Dale Kunze - Type R (Spanked us on Sunday! His first [DRY] run was 2.5 seconds faster than mine) 2nd- Can't remember his name, but drove a Sunfire. (Also fast on his dry run-moved up from 5th after 2nd place Eclipse DNF'ed his only chance at a fast dry time) 3rd- Eric Moon - Type R (Didn't make the most of my dry run, threw away 2nd place) 4th- Alan Pozner - Type R (Fantastic wet driving - On par with my dry time!) >DSP--not sure here. Tina Reeves was trading the lead early on, but I >didn't see how it finished. She might have finished second. 1st - Geoff Craig - X19 (In an amazing last run, pulling .7 from who knows where!) 2nd- Tina Reeves - X19 3rd- Vince Gladfelter - 2002tii 4th- The "Other" Reeves - X19 Eric Moon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2000 Pennsylvania State Solo II Champion - G Stock ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Co-Driver - Team Wasabi G Stock '00 Acura Type R '92 Miata - D Prepared Wannabe e-mail: info@scca-susq.com pager: 7173297074@mobile.att.net Appalachian Sports Car Club www.scca-susq.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 08:56:16 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:53:50 -0400 Subject: Re: was (SEDIV Divisional)Now NORPAC Divisional Uhm. I'm glad he meant largest SEDiv. NEDivs this weekend was pushing 200, I heard. (Certainly seemed that way in the timing truck--and in the paddock...) mlc '91 MR2 NA On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Don Miller writes: > Hey all you Nortwest People: > > Looks like Karl is saying we can't throw big events > here in the Northwest! :) Let's see if we can go past > the 137 they have and run 138 or more on the concrete > at Mountain Home AFB (Aug 12-13) for the Snake River > Divisional. Go to www.geocities.com/turbospl311 for > entry form and schedule! FAX them in if needed - > 208-895-8579. > (Thanks Karl for giving me an idea to try and get > people to show up! Good Luck with the DTN Votes!) > > Don Miller TLS #8 > R.E. Snake River Region > > --- Karl Rickert wrote: > > > > It looks as if this will be the largest attended > > Divisional Solo2 event in a > > few years if we get all 137 folks registered. > > > > "REMEMBER TO VOTE FOR Y2K DTN"....and vote often ;) > > > > Karl Rickert > > Y2K DTN "Wanna-be" -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 09:00:26 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Mari L Clements Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:59:32 -0400 Subject: Re: NEDivs Mari L Clements wrote: > As always, from memory, likely to be weak on some classes/names/etc., > but as I recall the trophy positions... > CM--Paul Zahorn??--sorry about my inferior spelling here--I've > certainly seen that name enough to get it right ) : I forget second, > but I think Miller was third. (Happily, there are enough CM guys on > team.net to fix this omission, right?) I think I heard my name. :-) Paul Zahornasky won, followed by Bob Miller and Mark Sirota. Bob was ahead of me by 0.030, I think. Paul had the fast run in the rain to take it on Sunday, coming from fourth on Saturday. It was a very close battle on Saturday, with the top four being within about four tenths. > Ssturday was nice all day. Sunday, the sprinkles started in third > heat. Fourth heat got one dry run, and fifth heat was run under > conditions that ranged from full wet to standing water. Windshield > wipers and lights. Lots of mod cars in those later heats (CM and BM > for sure), who sadly didn't have windshield wipers and lights. Naw, but we have Rain-X for the face shields. I found that the "critical speed" for the Rain-X on the face shield in my car is about 55 mph, which was tough on that course since the first several seconds were considerably slower than that. Many of the BM guys, in the 4th heat, stayed on slicks. Of course, they have downforce. By the time 5th heat started, rains were the clear choice (though Paul Kryziak went out on slicks for his first run, but he learned quickly. :-)) Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 09:42:20 2000 From: "Paul Zahornasky" To: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:40:25 -0400 Subject: RE: NEDivs If Paul K. didn't learn from his 75 second run, then the look on Kathy's face as she walked toward the car to take her run would have quickly settled the matter. 8-) Paul "I love it when it rains at Griffiss" Zahornasky -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Sirota Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:00 AM To: Mari L Clements Cc: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: NEDivs > Ssturday was nice all day. Sunday, the sprinkles started in third > heat. Fourth heat got one dry run, and fifth heat was run under > conditions that ranged from full wet to standing water. Windshield > wipers and lights. Lots of mod cars in those later heats (CM and BM > for sure), who sadly didn't have windshield wipers and lights. Naw, but we have Rain-X for the face shields. I found that the "critical speed" for the Rain-X on the face shield in my car is about 55 mph, which was tough on that course since the first several seconds were considerably slower than that. Many of the BM guys, in the 4th heat, stayed on slicks. Of course, they have downforce. By the time 5th heat started, rains were the clear choice (though Paul Kryziak went out on slicks for his first run, but he learned quickly. :-)) Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 09:44:42 2000 From: "Paul Zahornasky" To: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:43:16 -0400 Subject: RE: NEDivs 2nd in GS was John McDonald from New England Region. A very smooth driver that does well in the local PAX rankings. John also is a former National Champion that holds the record for the largest time differential between first and second. (Somewhere around 12 seconds) PZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Eric Moon Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:47 AM To: Mari L Clements; autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: NEDivs At 10:32 AM 8/7/00 -0400, Mari L Clements wrote: >As always, from memory, likely to be weak on some classes/names/etc., but >as I recall the trophy positions... >GS--4 trophy positions, and the only two I remember are Eric Moon and >Alan Pozner, and I'm not sure of their order 1st- Dale Kunze - Type R (Spanked us on Sunday! His first [DRY] run was 2.5 seconds faster than mine) 2nd- Can't remember his name, but drove a Sunfire. (Also fast on his dry run-moved up from 5th after 2nd place Eclipse DNF'ed his only chance at a fast dry time) 3rd- Eric Moon - Type R (Didn't make the most of my dry run, threw away 2nd place) 4th- Alan Pozner - Type R (Fantastic wet driving - On par with my dry time!) >DSP--not sure here. Tina Reeves was trading the lead early on, but I >didn't see how it finished. She might have finished second. 1st - Geoff Craig - X19 (In an amazing last run, pulling .7 from who knows where!) 2nd- Tina Reeves - X19 3rd- Vince Gladfelter - 2002tii 4th- The "Other" Reeves - X19 Eric Moon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2000 Pennsylvania State Solo II Champion - G Stock ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Co-Driver - Team Wasabi G Stock '00 Acura Type R '92 Miata - D Prepared Wannabe e-mail: info@scca-susq.com pager: 7173297074@mobile.att.net Appalachian Sports Car Club www.scca-susq.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 12:20:19 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:19:50 -0400 Subject: The 968 for sale I probably forgot to mention on my 968 for sale ad, that I'd be happy to bring it out to Topeka should a buyer want to meet me out there. We can do a co-drive thingie if the buyer so desires (I sure wouldn't mind :^) ). Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net For Sale: 1995 Porsche 968 Coupe with the Sport Chassis Option (M030) Six speed transmission, Black Exterior, Black interior, Sunroof, Power windows, locks, 3 liter four cylinder, 236 hp, 225 torque, ABS brakes, New clutch done at 78,000 miles, new tires. 91,000 miles, all records since 15,000 miles. Options: M030 sport Chassis Option (rare) 17" wheels, limited slip differential, Sport Seats, AM/FM/CD, Asking $24,990 1998 SCCA A Stock Solo II National Championship car and the daily driver: 1995 Porsche 968 Coupe White Exterior, Six speed transmission, Tan/Savanna interior, Sunroof, Power windows, locks, 3 liter four cylinder, 236 hp, 225 torque, ABS brakes, 73,000 miles. Options: 17" wheels, limited slip differential, AM/FM/CD Asking $20,990 Please contact: Matt Murray 203-454-4429 before 9 PM eastern or mattm@optonline.net Some jpgs available as well as a Carfax report From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 12:28:03 2000 From: "Moore, John" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:33:22 -0500 Subject: RE: Oil ... > Plus, the Pennzoil > seems to have cured the lifter clatter problem my Miata always suffered > at the track with Mobil 1! (probably sludged up the lifters enough to > shut 'em up :) > [Moore, John] Hmm, this is interesting. My Sentra SE-R seems to develop a lot of valve train clatter after the Mobil 1 has been in the engine for about 500 miles. Right after the oil change there is no valve train noise, but after about 500 miles, there is significant clatter at startup after sitting overnight, coming from the top of the engine for about 2 seconds. The engine also starts "ticking" like a clock at idle after the oil gets to this point. Oddly enough, the cars previous owner always ran Castrol Syntec and the problem never showed, but I switched to Mobil 1 since that is what I have always used. In talking with a mechanic this weekend, he said he has seen the same problem in some Mazda engines and it had to do with the Mobil 1 aerating within the hydraulic lifters. Anyone have any thoughts? John Moore From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 12:31:03 2000 From: washburn To: autox-cm@autox.team.net, "_ Minn. Autocross List" , Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:29:01 -0500 Subject: Announcement Sorry to the group if this is semi-spammy, but I've just completed an agreement this morning and wanted to let the "team" know: I am happy to announce that I will soon be joining C-Tech Trailer Cabinet Co, a Division of Greeheck Racing, based in Wausau, WI. I will be performing various functions with C-Tech, from manufacturing/design engineer to business operations and marketing support. ****Look out, here it comes: Advertising section of Pat's E-mail******** C-Tech manufactures lightweight aluminum and stainless steel cabinets, racks, pit carts, and other items geared specifically for the racer. We are competitors servicing the entire racing industry. Our products are finding their way into top professional teams' trailers and shops, and you will see our custom built pit carts behind the walls at NASCAR and CART events. We carry standard configurations and products, but also go the full custom "cost no object" route. Check us out at: http://www.racecabinet.com/ **************end-o-advertisment***************** I'm looking forward to working in a business related to the motorsports industry. I also hope to be putting together a special team.net price on the utility cabinet, which makes a great helmet holder, as an introduction to the Solo community. I'll let you know soon, lemme know if your interested. Thanks! And now back to your regular team.net programming........ Patrick Washburn #26 DS Neon Wausau, WI From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 12:35:02 2000 From: "alex cilli" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:33:59 GMT Subject: NE Div Rome results Where can they be found ? ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 13:12:22 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:10:09 -0400 Subject: Classing Cars with Physics I while back, I observed that a small, light, low-power car would perform varyingly well against a large, heavy, powerful car, depending on the layout of the course, and that perhaps some metric needed to be developed that would allow courses to be indexed. At about the same time, Jean proposed the 'Evolution Theory of Car Classing' in which representatives of current cars would be brought to a test site, Evo school drivers would drive them, and then classing decisions made based on the results. The first idea has tremendous merit, but is very difficult to determine (although Roger had a neat idea about collecting average speed statistics, which I like because it's so simple - and I'm going to write up something on this after Nationals) The second idea is very easy to pull off (the main problem being one of logistics), but - sorry Jean - is lacking in merit due to the number of variables involved. (Not to mention perception issues) But then I started really thinking... let's say we take Jean's idea, and start eliminating variables. Let's take a selection of cars, and a selection of drivers, and run them through a series of discrete elements - 0-60, 60-0, 100m skidpad, slaloms of varying lengths and gaps, and so on. When done, you'd have a sort of data "toolkit" that could be used to string together an approximation of a given course. For example, the prototypical ProSolo course: Straight, into slalom, into 180 turnaround, into slalom, into lane change, into finish. So 0-60 gives you time down the straight, the appropriate slalom data gives you the slalom entry speed, so working backwards from the entry point using the 60-0 data gives you braking point for the slalom. Same deal for the turnaround, etc - skidpad tells max lateral G, which in turn gives max entrance speed, which can be determined how is to be reached with 0-60 and 60-0 data. String it all together, and you get a theoretical "best lap". Now that "best lap" may or may not actually _be_ the "best lap" possible ("after all" quoth Concord "It's only a model") but it should be consistant from car to car - the model may break down in places, but it would break down the same for all cars, and as long as the failings don't favour a given kind of car, all the relative performances should be the same. Which might, maybe, make this a useful technique for classing cars. Maybe. Say, here's another thorny thought. I have 2 cars: they are the same dimentionally (length, width, height, wheelbase etc) They have infinite-grip tires. They have the same power/weight ratios, and the weight distribution is the same. One weighs 1000lbs more than the other. Which car is faster, or are they tied? DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 13:58:34 2000 From: Snapspinnr@aol.com To: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:57:20 EDT Subject: Re: Classing Cars with Physics > Say, here's another thorny thought. I have 2 cars: they are the same > dimentionally (length, width, height, wheelbase etc) They have > infinite-grip tires. They have the same power/weight ratios, and the weight > distribution is the same. One weighs 1000lbs more than the other. Which car > is faster, or are they tied? > > DG Well if you had "infinite grip" tires the lighter car would be faster. Why you ask? Because it would be less likely to tip over, since it has less mass acting on the center of gravity. I think that is what would limit cornering G's if your tires refused to let go of the road, but this thought is after standing around in the hot sun all day yesterday. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 14:02:17 2000 From: "Jay Mitchell" To: , Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:00:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Classing Cars with Physics Dennis wrote: > Say, here's another thorny thought. I have 2 cars: they are the same > dimentionally (length, width, height, wheelbase etc) They have > infinite-grip tires. They have the same power/weight ratios, and the weight > distribution is the same. One weighs 1000lbs more than the other. Which car > is faster, or are they tied? I think I see where you're going, but you're not specifying enough variables. There's engine power vs. rpm, fdr, gear ratios in 1st, 2nd, and (possibly) 3rd, and tire rolling circumference. And, of course, the infinite-grip assumption is unrealistic. Jay From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 14:06:44 2000 From: "Jay Mitchell" To: "Moore, John" , Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:05:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Oil John Moore wrote: > [Moore, John] Hmm, this is interesting. My Sentra SE-R seems to > develop a lot of valve train clatter after the Mobil 1 has been in the > engine for about 500 miles. Right after the oil change there is no valve > train noise, but after about 500 miles, there is significant clatter at > startup after sitting overnight, coming from the top of the engine for about > 2 seconds. Interesting. Make me the third to report this kind of symptom. My Aerostar has a lifter that often starts out collapsed in the morning and pumps up within about a mile or so after startup. It's only done this for the last 20k or so, however, and it does have 170k on the clock. I've used Mobil 1 since I bought it in 94. Jay "gonna try something else next oil change" Mitchell From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 14:16:48 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: "Jay Mitchell" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:14:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Classing Cars with Physics >> Say, here's another thorny thought. I have 2 cars: they are the >> same dimentionally (length, width, height, wheelbase etc) They have >> infinite-grip tires. They have the same power/weight ratios, >> and the weight distribution is the same. One weighs 1000lbs more than the >> other. Which car is faster, or are they tied? > I think I see where you're going, but you're not specifying > enough variables. There's engine power vs. rpm, fdr, gear ratios > in 1st, 2nd, and (possibly) 3rd, and tire rolling circumference. Both engine power curves are flat, at whatever makes for equal power/weight ratios. Both cars are geared/tired to have the same thrust/weight ratios, and the shift points are the same. > And, of course, the infinite-grip assumption is unrealistic. Of course, but we're not testing tires here. I'm trying to understand how much effect weight really has on performance. Is weight just "power", spelled differently, or does it play other roles? Obviously, there's an inertia element, but if I have infinate-grip tires, does inertia really matter? Is "small" more important than "light" in an autocross setting? DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 14:28:10 2000 From: Eric W Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:22:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Classing Cars with Physics The lighter car. Because the heavier car will have to have much bigger brakes to stop as well--leading to higher unsprung weight. So if the tires aren't in as solid contact with the road as much, the bigger car won't be able to use its infinite grip if the tires aren't touching the ground as much. Eric 16-19 pounds of unsprung wheel (not tire, not brake, just wheel) weight per corner ) : On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:14:09 -0400 dg50@daimlerchrysler.com writes: > > > > > > >> Say, here's another thorny thought. I have 2 cars: they are the > >> same dimentionally (length, width, height, wheelbase etc) They > have > >> infinite-grip tires. They have the same power/weight ratios, > >> and the weight distribution is the same. One weighs 1000lbs more > than > the > >> other. Which car is faster, or are they tied? ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 14:46:58 2000 From: "Tony Ford" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:48:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Classing Cars with Physics Like someone said before, the the larger mass car will turn over sooner because the overturning (roll) moment acting thru the center of mass will be greater. But since you have infinite grip, the driver would succumb to the G-loading first. If the grip is not infinite, then we should look at the yaw moments front and rear to determine which is greater; determining whether the car will understeer or oversteer at the limit. That limit will be greater for the smaller mass car for a given amount of grip because of the lesser yaw moment relative to the amount of grip. Also the greater mass car will have the aforemnetioned higher roll moment which will lead to reduced grip on both ends, if not counteracted, and maybe even if it is. Of course the argument could be made that the larger mass(weight) car will naturally have larger tires(just common sense), so the grip levels WILL be different........ UGH! This is probably all wrong. Great question, tho. Anthony C. Ford Mechanical Engineer Mazak Corporation (859) 342-1382 FAX 342-1537 B-Stock Cendiv #25 '99 R-model From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 15:16:00 2000 From: Sam & Greg Scharnberg To: kcautox@egroups.com, NEOKLA-SoloII@egroups.com, autox@autox.team.net, Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:14:57 -0500 Subject: Solotime MiDiv Championship Results The results from the August 5/6 Divisional at Forbes Field hosted by Kansas region are at: http://www.midivsolo.org Saturday was much hotter than expected with the temperature climbing to 107 degrees or so and winds at 20+ miles per hour.  Sunday morning's thunder storm cooled things down for about an hour and the lightning shut down the course during Heat 2.  The rest of the day is best described as a sauna. Heat 2 cars finished in the wet, Heat 3 cars started out with a wet course that dried to puddles at several turns by the end of Heat 3.  Heat 1 and Heat 4 were the lucky ones this time!! The Solotime Gateway to Nationals Divisional is Labor Day Weekend (Sunday and Monday) in St Charles, Mo at the Family Arena hosted by the St Louis region.  Additional info at: http://www.midivsolo.org http://www.wcsllc.net/GatewaytoNa tionals See you at an event, Mama Sam From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 15:17:21 2000 From: Mike Shields To: TeamDotNet Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:16:18 -0600 Subject: Kumhos for Nationals I'm once again bowing to the collective wisdom of Team.Net. Does shaving Kumhos give you a huge advantage over a set with almost full tread? I'm going to order up a new set of Kumhos for Nationals and was wondering about getting them shaved. I know from experience that my Kumhos have always worked much better after a few events and wasn't sure if it was becuase they got worn down to where the outer treadblocks had lost their 1/32nd or whatever tread, or if they had just been heat cycled enough. I'm also a little worried about the possibilty of rain Thurs/Fri. Last year I had almost full tread (just enough events to make them nice and sticky) and did pretty well on Tuesday when it rained. So if I shave the tries I will probably be screwed since I can't afford multiple sets of tires and shaved tires don't have enough treadblocks to run well in rain, do they? So should I just go ahead and get full tread and heat cycle them/run them at a couple of events or should I shave them? Thanks, Mike Mike Shields Webmaster Utah Region SCCA '99 Arrest-Me-Red Miata Sport Pkg From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 15:54:28 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net, BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:52:46 EDT Subject: Ozark SEDiv roommate wanted I know someone (Male) who needs a roommate to to share expenses for a double room at the Holiday Inn event hotel for this weekends SEDiv Solo2 event at Ozark, AL. Please contact me and I will forward your information. Mark Sipe SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 16:19:48 2000 From: "Alan Pozner" To: "Mari L Clements" , Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:16:45 -0400 Subject: Re: NEDivs Just to add - GS 1st Dale Kunze Type R 2nd ??? Pontiac Sunfire !!! - Great drive both days 3rd Eric Moon Type R 4th Alan Pozner Type R 5th Jeff Macrae Integra GSR DSP 1st Geoff Craig X1/9 2nd Tina Reeves X1/9 3rd Vince Gladfelter BMW 2002tii Thanks to FLR and Glen Region for working so hard. After helping with divisionals last year I know how much is involved. It's a shame the event ended on a "damp" note cause it was all great 'til then. Also props (I hear this is the cool new way of saying thanks but what do I know I'm over 40) to Mari Clements who is from Central PA region but worked her a** off all day Sunday. Thanks also to Mark Sirota for being a stand-up guy. Regards, Alan -----Original Message----- From: Mari L Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:36 AM Subject: NEDivs >As always, from memory, likely to be weak on some classes/names/etc., but >as I recall the trophy positions... > >SS--Strano, Solomon (in a Speed Yellow, don't call it French's Mustard >Yellow 911). >AS--Salerno, Rothney-Kozlak (AS got one dry run--deja vu anyone?--this >time it was Sunday) >BS--Aro (with a cone on every run Sunday), Clow (who also had some cone >problems), Porteous (who had a great Sunday) >CS--Newhard, Clements, Potocki (also one dry run Sunday) >CSL--Clements >DS--Zoner, Ryan, Sawyer >DSL--Zoner, Sawyer >ES--Foley >FS--Johnson, Bistrais (I think I left out at least one trophy position >here, and the order may be wrong) >GS--4 trophy positions, and the only two I remember are Eric Moon and >Alan Pozner, and I'm not sure of their order >GSL--Freeburger >HS--Strout >HSL--?? >ASP--Carle >BSP--Chiu? >CSP--have no idea how to say or spell the champion, but he drove a brown >1st gen RX7, Kugler, Adams, Ciufo (I could have the order wrong on the >2nd-4th place trophies) >CSPL--Kugler >DSP--not sure here. Tina Reeves was trading the lead early on, but I >didn't see how it finished. She might have finished second. >DSPL--someone in a pewter metallic Neon >ESP--Fedja (like Cher and Charo, he only needs one name, right? O.K., so >I can't spell his last name either...) I *think* Chabal held on for >second, but am not sure >ESPL--someone in a red BMW >FSP--Chang Ho Kim had the early lead, but I didn't see how Sunday turned >out >FSPL--?? >CP--Ostrovitz was third, but I forget 1st and 2nd >DP--Scanell >DPL--?? >EP--Krysiak, I think, after he listened to Kathy and went to rains ( : >EPL--?? >FP--?? >FPL--?? >AM--Goodale >BM--?? >BML--Lyle >CM--Paul Zahorn??--sorry about my inferior spelling here--I've certainly >seen that name enough to get it right ) : I forget second, but I think >Miller was third. (Happily, there are enough CM guys on team.net to fix >this omission, right?) >CML--Vincent >DM--Shauf >EM--?? >EML--?? >FM--?? >FML--?? >STS--Bly >SM--Aidelbaum (borrowing an Eclipse), Rafferty, Witt, maybe McFetridge >was in the fourth trophy position? All in the rain Sunday. >FJr Jr (8-11)--Scanell, Cuifo >FJr--I think his first name was Adam and his last name began with an S, >but I can't remember. > >Ssturday was nice all day. Sunday, the sprinkles started in third heat. >Fourth heat got one dry run, and fifth heat was run under conditions that >ranged from full wet to standing water. Windshield wipers and lights. >Lots of mod cars in those later heats (CM and BM for sure), who sadly >didn't have windshield wipers and lights. > >mlc >'91 MR2 NA >-----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree >with---- > >________________________________________________________________ >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 16:32:53 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Alan Pozner" , "Mari L Clements" , Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:36:06 -0700 Subject: Re: NEDivs ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Pozner To: Mari L Clements ; Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: Re: NEDivs > Also props (I hear > this is the cool new way of saying thanks but what do I know I'm over 40) to > Mari Clements who is from Central PA region but worked her a** off all day > Sunday. No, no, no! She gets mad propz, yo! ;););) Scot Phat '91 CS Miata :-b From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 16:49:11 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:47:15 -0400 Subject: Re: NEDivs > > Also props (I hear > > this is the cool new way of saying thanks but what do I know I'm over 40) > No, no, no! She gets mad propz, yo! > ;););) Oh man, I must be getting old. Thanks for the translation help. And I've been getting a lot of thanks, which I really, really appreciate, but I was just part of a team that included, among others, Diana Shaw, Mark Sirota, Stacey Sawyer, Kathy Barnes, and the nice timing guy in the ES Neon whose name I missed in all the confusion (but who is very smart and thoughtful--he even had the foresight to buy waterproof printer ink!) Thanks also to the grid and course workers in fourth heat for understanding that having 17 STS, 17 & 117 AS, and 17 & 117 BM running at the same time was just tough for everyone. (At one time, 3 of the 4 cars on course or staged were those...whew!) mlc '91 MR2 NA -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 16:54:00 2000 From: "Bill Fuhrmann" To: , Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:48:03 -0500 Subject: RE: Classing Cars with Physics > Of course, but we're not testing tires here. > > I'm trying to understand how much effect weight really has on performance. > Is weight just "power", spelled differently, or does it play other roles? > Obviously, there's an inertia element, but if I have infinate-grip tires, > does inertia really matter? Is "small" more important than "light" in an > autocross setting? It is more than a version of horsepower. Every time you try to change direction in a car, your car has to fight the tendency for the larger mass that is trying to go straight. This upsets your suspension geometry. Unless you have the mythical perfect tires, it will fight against the cars ability to keep them on the ground. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 16:57:13 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Alan Pozner Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:56:29 -0400 Subject: Re: NEDivs Alan Pozner wrote: > Also props (I hear this is the cool new way of saying thanks but what > do I know I'm over 40) to Mari Clements who is from Central PA region > but worked her a** off all day Sunday. Thanks also to Mark Sirota for > being a stand-up guy. Uh, you're welcome? It took me years to learn what "phat" meant -- can someone help me out with "props"? Mari Clements, Diana Shaw, and Stacey Sawyer are my new heroes for developing T&S into such a smooth running machine in such a short time. Frankly, I didn't do a whole lot of the planning for this event. Karl Hughes secured the site (no easy feat thanks to last year's Woodstock debacle) and Tina Reeves agreed to chair it, and every time I tried to help, I found that she had everything covered. I appreciate all the thanks and kudos I've been getting, but Tina should be the recipient of most of those. Of course, she didn't do it alone. Special thanks should also be directed to Kathy Barnes, the Chief Steward, who handled every tough situation (and there were a few) with her usual care and zeal. And let's not forget all the other chiefs and all the competitors who made this event a success. Mark Sirota, Northeast Division Solo II Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 17:06:01 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:05:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Last Call!! DTN Voting Five Hours left!! > As a bartender I used to know would say at closing time (or just before it, > it was many beers ago): "Drink! You animals, drink! > > Well, in our case: "Vote! You animals, vote!" > > Today is the LAST day to vote. > > However, it is not the last day to contribute. Either the paypal link or > snail mail below. $1 to $1000, nothing is considered too small or large. The > amount will not be disclosed. As will the voting will not be disclosed. BTW, > I should have disclaimed this sooner, I am recusing myself from the voting > for the obvious reasons. > > Good Luck to all the nominees! > > Matt Murray > > Y2K DTN admin > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com > > 27 Old Mill Road > Westport, CT 06880-6622 > > mattm@optonline.net > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 18:37:45 2000 From: "Larry R. Metz" To: "team,net" Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:53:40 -0500 Subject: What is a good price? I have a lead on a '96 Acura R good condition, 68,000 miles. What is a good price to pay for such a car? Understand it is a good car for GS??? Larry #66 solo vee...thinking about changing From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 18:46:58 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: JDMurphy47@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:44:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Usual Questions About Perry We plan to have registration and tech open 6-8 PM on Friday. 8-9:30 AM on Saturday and Sunday. On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:58:02 EDT JDMurphy47@aol.com writes: > Ben, > Thank you. What time should we be there Friday? > > Jim Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 19:08:35 2000 From: "Arthur Emerson" To: seb@scca.org Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:07:23 GMT Subject: Paging SCAC: Re-class the Pontiac Sunfire! (was Re: NEDivs) I'd like to bring it to the attention of the SCAC and SEB that John T. MacDonald's Y2K Pontiac Sunfire has trophied at both the Ayer NT and NEDIV. He admits to not having done *anything* to it but tires. Until the true potential of a Sunfire prepped to the limits is known, I formally request that it be classed in F-Stock if it is still under probation. Obviously, the thing is a Type-R killer out of the box, and doesn't belong in GS. [I almost feel silly writing this, but I'm dead serious!] Oh, while you're at it, make sure that the VW Corrado VR6 (1992-95) winds up in the proposed Class 5..... :-) -Arthur ("Beat at Ayer by a @$&~*!^@*# Pontiac Sunfire :-( " edition.) "Alan Pozner" wrote: > >Just to add - GS > >1st Dale Kunze Type R >2nd ??? Pontiac Sunfire !!! - Great drive both days >3rd Eric Moon Type R >4th Alan Pozner Type R >5th Jeff Macrae Integra GSR ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 20:02:10 2000 From: "Don Kline" To: vreihen@hotmail.com, seb@scca.org Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:00:50 GMT Subject: Re: Paging SCAC: Re-class the Pontiac Sunfire! (was Re: NEDivs) Oh my GAWD,,,,,, a non-type-R finished in the trophies with nothing but type R's. Get some C-4, and blasting caps and blow the thing up.... Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa in HIS grace thru Jesus, Don >From: "Arthur Emerson" >Reply-To: "Arthur Emerson" >To: seb@scca.org >CC: autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Paging SCAC: Re-class the Pontiac Sunfire! (was Re: NEDivs) >Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:07:23 GMT > >I'd like to bring it to the attention of the SCAC and SEB that >John T. MacDonald's Y2K Pontiac Sunfire has trophied at both >the Ayer NT and NEDIV. He admits to not having done *anything* >to it but tires. > >Until the true potential of a Sunfire prepped to the limits is >known, I formally request that it be classed in F-Stock if it >is still under probation. Obviously, the thing is a Type-R >killer out of the box, and doesn't belong in GS. [I almost >feel silly writing this, but I'm dead serious!] > >Oh, while you're at it, make sure that the VW Corrado VR6 >(1992-95) winds up in the proposed Class 5..... :-) > >-Arthur ("Beat at Ayer by a @$&~*!^@*# Pontiac Sunfire :-( " edition.) > > >"Alan Pozner" wrote: > > > >Just to add - GS > > > >1st Dale Kunze Type R > >2nd ??? Pontiac Sunfire !!! - Great drive both days > >3rd Eric Moon Type R > >4th Alan Pozner Type R > >5th Jeff Macrae Integra GSR > >________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 20:05:26 2000 From: "Su Brude" To: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:12:34 -0500 Subject: Looking for Kansas Region Contact for the Sat/Sun Practice I am trying to contact anyone regarding my registration for the Sat/Sun Practice prior to Nationals. I sent in my registration the weekend prior to the 4th of July & have heard nothing back. Plus I need to change my car class and number. I have been trying to contact Chris by phone but I always get an answering machine & no return calls. Anyone out there in the Kansas Region that can help me make contact with Chris I would greatly appreciate it. I need to have confirmation that mine (and my husband's) entry made it there & what is the best way for me to change my class. Please email me directly since I am on the digest Thanks in Advance Su Brude "Must Go Faster" (and cleaner) Racing Formally #93 SS - '93 "Arrest Me Red" RX-7 (the decals came off tonight) Hopefully Soon #93 BSP(and sometimes L) - '01 "Arrest Me Even Faster Red" Z06 (hoping they don't mess with the classing) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 20:42:53 2000 From: "Alan Pozner" To: "Larry R. Metz" , "team,net" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:39:36 -0400 Subject: Re: What is a good price? Larry, Honda-Acura did not import the Integra Type R into the US until '97. Therefore either your lead is not a '96 or it is not a Type R. It is probably an Acura Integra GS-R which, while a good car, is not nationally competitive in GS. Regards, Alan -----Original Message----- From: Larry R. Metz To: team,net Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 8:37 PM Subject: What is a good price? >I have a lead on a '96 Acura R good condition, 68,000 miles. What is a >good price to pay for such a car? Understand it is a good car for GS??? > >Larry #66 solo vee...thinking about changing > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 20:50:07 2000 From: John Lieberman To: rjohnson@friendlynet.com Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:51:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! Count me IN, Rog! And I promise - no 10-minute-long Cajun stories this year. Actually, I thought I might bring the ol' guitar and gross everybody out with my off-key singing(?) !!! 8<{) John (Old Fartz & TLS #37) Lieberman rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: > > Today it is official - in spite of the perennial emcee switching > tires, and the > (current) lack of a sponsor (BFG politely declined, given the above) the > 2000 version of the Nationals Talent Show will be Thursday night during > our week in Topeka. > > History: Given that only 62(!) if the 1000+ expected participants > will leave > Topeka with 1st place trophies, and given that every driver and > spectator > in the place has SOME hidden talent, the show was created to recognize > those who may not drive the absolute best, or have the latest/greatest > car. > > This thing has been going on since 1987(?) and has created my fondest > Nationals memories: > > Pat Washburn's songs, with a great musical back-up. . . . . . > Phil Ethier's Pylon Dance > Matt Murray's Top Ten Lists > GH & Danielle with violin/piano duet > The 'Real' RJ's comedy sketches > Mari Clement's dress (can't recall what she did, however) > Jimmy Stewart singing > Charlie Davis 'Huck & Chuck' t-shirts, and the annual meeting sketch > Joe Goeke and his annual videos > Bryan Kinser's video > John Lee's Cajun stories > Bob Strange'annual stand-up entry - finally winning in 1999! > Rich Fletcher's songs > The Talent Show Band > John Banks > Bev Vach > Bryon Short > Ginna Blair > Davie Looman > the annual Team.Net act > > . . . . . and about a hundred more. > > This show, like autocrossing, is NOT a spectator event. Its success > depends on the efforts of the participants. So let the creative > juices flow, remembering of course that PG-13 is about the limit of > good taste. > > Clearly for 2000, the SM crowd needs to demonstrate their desire > to be a part of the Nationals by being a part of Thursday's > entertainment. > Mari Clements has promised a reprise. One of the un-official DTN > requirements > is to participate. > Who else will volunteer? > > Contact me for a reserved spot on the stage, and to co-ordinate the > necessary > props. . . . . . . . > > Roger (Ohio) Johnson From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 20:49:05 2000 From: "Alan Pozner" To: "Arthur Emerson" , Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:45:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Paging SCAC: Re-class the Pontiac Sunfire! (was Re: NEDivs) Having just been beaten by said Sunfire, I would say that we should use the same analytical techniques promulgated by the Neon crowd; i.e. if we eliminate the "McDonald factor (TM)" then the Sunfire is clearly not competitive with the Type R and should be moved to HS. Alan "tongue firmly in cheek" Pozner P.S. Had the rain not interfered we had arranged for Mr Daddio drive my Type R at Rome. That would have helped with our classing dilemma. -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Emerson To: seb@scca.org Cc: autox@autox.team.net Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:08 PM Subject: Paging SCAC: Re-class the Pontiac Sunfire! (was Re: NEDivs) > >I'd like to bring it to the attention of the SCAC and SEB that >John T. MacDonald's Y2K Pontiac Sunfire has trophied at both >the Ayer NT and NEDIV. He admits to not having done *anything* >to it but tires. > >Until the true potential of a Sunfire prepped to the limits is >known, I formally request that it be classed in F-Stock if it >is still under probation. Obviously, the thing is a Type-R >killer out of the box, and doesn't belong in GS. [I almost >feel silly writing this, but I'm dead serious!] > >Oh, while you're at it, make sure that the VW Corrado VR6 >(1992-95) winds up in the proposed Class 5..... :-) > >-Arthur ("Beat at Ayer by a @$&~*!^@*# Pontiac Sunfire :-( " edition.) > > >"Alan Pozner" wrote: >> >>Just to add - GS >> >>1st Dale Kunze Type R >>2nd ??? Pontiac Sunfire !!! - Great drive both days >>3rd Eric Moon Type R >>4th Alan Pozner Type R >>5th Jeff Macrae Integra GSR > >________________________________________________________________________ > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 20:57:29 2000 From: "Charles Brown" To: "Bill Fuhrmann" , , Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:53:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Classing Cars with Physics I agree with all that is said, but something has been left out. Your motor doesn't have infinite horsepower and if you can now almost call the auto-X course a drag race with the curves meaning little, until the thing tips over, dependant I think on center of gravity only, and if you have to slow down when it gets on two wheels you do it all over again. In either case the lighter car will definitely win. This same effect is what keeps very hard tires on my Ford Explorer, with the stock rubber it doesn't generate enough grip to roll,... usually. This must really be a slow auto-X day... Charles Brown 90 Miata EM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: Classing Cars with Physics > I while back, I observed that a small, light, low-power car would perform > varyingly well against a large, heavy, powerful car, depending on the > layout of the course, and that perhaps some metric needed to be developed > that would allow courses to be indexed. > > At about the same time, Jean proposed the 'Evolution Theory of Car > Classing' in which representatives of current cars would be brought to a > test site, Evo school drivers would drive them, and then classing decisions > made based on the results. > > The first idea has tremendous merit, but is very difficult to determine > (although Roger had a neat idea about collecting average speed statistics, > which I like because it's so simple - and I'm going to write up something > on this after Nationals) > > The second idea is very easy to pull off (the main problem being one of > logistics), but - sorry Jean - is lacking in merit due to the number of > variables involved. (Not to mention perception issues) > > But then I started really thinking... let's say we take Jean's idea, and > start eliminating variables. Let's take a selection of cars, and a > selection of drivers, and run them through a series of discrete elements - > 0-60, 60-0, 100m skidpad, slaloms of varying lengths and gaps, and so on. > When done, you'd have a sort of data "toolkit" that could be used to string > together an approximation of a given course. For example, the prototypical > ProSolo course: Straight, into slalom, into 180 turnaround, into slalom, > into lane change, into finish. So 0-60 gives you time down the straight, > the appropriate slalom data gives you the slalom entry speed, so working > backwards from the entry point using the 60-0 data gives you braking point > for the slalom. Same deal for the turnaround, etc - skidpad tells max > lateral G, which in turn gives max entrance speed, which can be determined > how is to be reached with 0-60 and 60-0 data. String it all together, and > you get a theoretical "best lap". > > Now that "best lap" may or may not actually _be_ the "best lap" possible > ("after all" quoth Concord "It's only a model") but it should be consistant > from car to car - the model may break down in places, but it would break > down the same for all cars, and as long as the failings don't favour a > given kind of car, all the relative performances should be the same. Which > might, maybe, make this a useful technique for classing cars. Maybe. > > Say, here's another thorny thought. I have 2 cars: they are the same > dimentionally (length, width, height, wheelbase etc) They have > infinite-grip tires. They have the same power/weight ratios, and the weight > distribution is the same. One weighs 1000lbs more than the other. Which car > is faster, or are they tied? > > DG > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fuhrmann" To: ; Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 3:48 PM Subject: RE: Classing Cars with Physics > > > Of course, but we're not testing tires here. > > > > I'm trying to understand how much effect weight really has on performance. > > Is weight just "power", spelled differently, or does it play other roles? > > Obviously, there's an inertia element, but if I have infinate-grip tires, > > does inertia really matter? Is "small" more important than "light" in an > > autocross setting? > > It is more than a version of horsepower. Every time you try to change > direction in a car, your car has to fight the tendency for the larger mass > that is trying to go straight. This upsets your suspension geometry. > Unless you have the mythical perfect tires, it will fight against the cars > ability to keep them on the ground. > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 21:20:44 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Mark Sirota" , "Alan Pozner" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:24:01 -0700 Subject: Re: NEDivs ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sirota To: Alan Pozner Cc: Mari L Clements ; ; Tina Reeves ; Kathy Barnes Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 3:56 PM Subject: Re: NEDivs > Uh, you're welcome? It took me years to learn what "phat" meant -- > can someone help me out with "props"? I'm not sure on this one, but I think "props" is short for "proper recognition." Then again, this lingo is a little after my time (and I'm 32!). Scot - who remembers using terms like "awesome," "killer," "gnarly" and "rad" From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 21:22:55 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:22:47 -0400 Subject: DTN Final half hour You have one half an hour (midnight eastern) to cast your vote for DTN. We have exactly 60 votes as of 11:22 PM. Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 21:23:48 2000 From: Talus9998@aol.com To: lrmetz@home.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:22:38 EDT Subject: Re: What is a good price? I dont know about a price, but unless that car was Japanese Spec and shipped over here, it is not a USDM ITR. We got them starting in 97, then 98 also, skipped 99, and now we got the new colors for Y2K. Is the car the TypeR or GSR?? maybe we are thinking different cars. The ITR (Integra Type R) is supposed to be the car to have for GS. Jay W. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 22:10:02 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Phil Ethier" , "Matt Murray" , Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:15:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Last Call!! DTN Voting -----Original Message----- From: Phil Ethier >I'm sorry the timing of my Texas trip did not line up better with Nationals. >I may have dropped in on you folks there. Now if you want to see the famous >River Rhat on southern concrete, you will have to be at the Waco event on >August 30. Of course, that is the *20th*! >Phil "Butterfingers Irving" Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA >1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban >LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ >"If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 23:43:54 2000 From: GRMMail@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:43:57 EDT Subject: Solo II Nats contingency Just wanted to let all of you know that we've revamped our contingency packages for 2000.... 1) $500 and Schleh Trophy for top finishing Nationals Rookie 2) $500 drawing/raffle for GRM subscribers and who are running GRM Stickers...just sign up at our booth at Topeka to register if you are a subscriber, or subscribe if you aren't already a subscriber. The drawing will be held on Friday during the banquet...and you don't need to be present to win. If you're not a subscriber...you can email us your postal address and we'll send out a free sample issue -Per From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 23:58:59 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:48:15 -0400 Subject: DTN Voting, Nominee recap and reminders Okay, so yas sez ya gonna vote "Real Soon!". Well, there are only five days left to vote. So exercise your rights. Please send your contributions to either the paypal URL below or the snail mail address. Matt Murray Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net [By now, this may be irrelevant. I've been on vacation for a while, and this message, with a bunch of added baggage I've deleted, was held by majordomo waiting for human intervention. mjb.] From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 05:57:02 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:55:46 -0400 Subject: And The Winner Is... Dear Team.Net: With several votes coming in just before the end vote, there is now a Year 200 Driver To Nationals. All the candidates were well matched the DTN nominee requirements, only one of them can receive the honor. I hope the candidates who were not elected, will reconsider attending this year's Nationals. It is the Big Show (like they say in baseball). As should anyone else not already set to go (you can meet winner, and other Team.Net denizens!!). So it gives me great pleasure and honor to announce this year's Team.Net Driver To Nationals is: (insert drum roll here) Karl Rickert!! (insert applause here) Obviously, I'll still accept checks at my home address, but you could make them out to Karl instead of me. I'll bring them out to Topeka, unless otherwise instructed. The Paypal is also up and running, and David should be able to give updates as to what has been received, and the conversion to real money for Karl. I don't know when the actual transfer of money occurred previously, but we can confer with the other winners and see what is best. Thanks to all who contributed and/or voted. Matt Murray Former Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 06:12:12 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:11:48 -0400 Subject: Typos, was: And The Winner Is... I can't believe it. I even reread it several times. Make that "Year 2000 Driver To Nationals". I'm am such a dolt. :^Þ > there is now a Year 200 Driver To Nationals. Didn't REJ(O) win that honor in the year 200? It was just when he was starting out. :^) > All the candidates were well matched the DTN nominee requirements Make that "were well matched to the DTN requirements. . ." Where's my speech writer? It's too early to be doing this for someone on vacation. :^) Matt Murray (over one million posts sent) Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > Dear Team.Net: > > With several votes coming in just before the end vote, there is now a Year > 200 Driver To Nationals. > > All the candidates were well matched the DTN nominee requirements, only one > of them can receive the honor. I hope the candidates who were not elected, > will reconsider attending this year's Nationals. It is the Big Show (like > they say in baseball). As should anyone else not already set to go (you can > meet winner, and other Team.Net denizens!!). > > So it gives me great pleasure and honor to announce this year's Team.Net > Driver To Nationals is: > > (insert drum roll here) > > Karl Rickert!! > > (insert applause here) > > Obviously, I'll still accept checks at my home address, but you could make > them out to Karl instead of me. I'll bring them out to Topeka, unless > otherwise instructed. The Paypal is also up and running, and David should be > able to give updates as to what has been received, and the conversion to > real money for Karl. I don't know when the actual transfer of money occurred > previously, but we can confer with the other winners and see what is best. > > Thanks to all who contributed and/or voted. > > Matt Murray From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 06:48:07 2000 From: BRUBEL51@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:46:15 EDT Subject: Sunfire Lets remember that John McDonald is a really good driver with alot of experience, Hence to say that it is not 90% car and 10% driver. The sunfire belongs in G-Stock, Bruce Bellom From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 07:16:42 2000 From: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com To: BRUBEL51@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 06:01:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Sunfire Bruce is right on. John is very talented with a second year under his 'return' year. He has many years of experience. Furthuring the proof that a talented driver beats a mediocre one even when the equipment isn't near the same. The Sunfire is a mid-pack GS car at best. Not even in the top 10 of the new class 8...IMHO. AB BRUBEL51@aol.com on 08/08/2000 08:46:15 AM Please respond to BRUBEL51@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net cc: (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) Subject: Sunfire Lets remember that John McDonald is a really good driver with alot of experience, Hence to say that it is not 90% car and 10% driver. The sunfire belongs in G-Stock, Bruce Bellom From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 07:59:28 2000 From: Paul Cezanne To: "Team.Net" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:56:52 -0400 Subject: Re: And The Winner Is... >I hope the candidates who were not elected, >will reconsider attending this year's Nationals. And if you don't go, be very active and helpful on Team.Net and maybe you'll get nominated next year. I was the 3rd DTN, but I was nominated in the 2nd year also. > I don't know when the actual transfer of money occurred >previously, but we can confer with the other winners and see what is best. Last year JD and I figured out how to get a check to him. I had deposited all the DTN checks in my account and I wrote him one big check. When I was DTN, I actually received 2 checks, one a few days after the event. Congrats to ALL the nominees and to Karl, this year's DTN. -- pZ -- Paul Cezanne (formerly Czarnecki) Please consider buying my wife's new book, The Illusionist, (http://www.JeannetteAngell.com) and then help the UN feed the world for free @ http://www.TheHungerSite.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 08:04:05 2000 From: "Jeffrey Martynuska" To: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:02:58 -0400 Subject: RE: Sunfire Being in the same region and class as John McDonald, I look at his times as the benchmark in GS. He is a talented driver and gets the most out of his car. He is also fun to watch on course and a warm person. Fortunately, I am scored as a novice this year and not in direct competition with John. I shudder at the thought of competing in open class GS against him next year. There go the trophy aspirations! Lets give John McDonald the credit he's earned and deserves. Jeff Martynuska GS, New England Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 08:18:32 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:58:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! > rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: > > Today it is official - in spite of the perennial emcee switching > > tires, and the > > (current) lack of a sponsor (BFG politely declined, given the above) the > > 2000 version of the Nationals Talent Show will be Thursday night during > > our week in Topeka. While I agree with Eric that "The Hoosier Talent Show" *does* have a very nice ring to it, the AV setup would undoubtedly be better if it were "The Peavey Talent Show"! I got the background music for this year's entry this week. One small problem. This year's music has background vocalists--who are singing the original words to the song, not my new ones. So, since there were such interesting and creative suggestions for rhyming "subframe connectors," I'm hoping some of you will have some ideas for things that are autocross related and sound sort of like: candelight long stemmed roses mlc '91 MR2 NA -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 08:23:06 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:19:55 -0400 Subject: Re: What is a good price? On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:39:36 -0400 "Alan Pozner" writes: > It is probably an Acura Integra GS-R which, while a good car, is not > nationally competitive in GS. But what is the sense of how the Integra GS-R will do in Class 8? If the restructure goes through, the GS-R and the Type R will no longer be in the same class (which makes a whole lot of sense to me). mlc '91 MR2 NA -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 08:30:58 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: Mari L Clements Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:22:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! Thats easy!!!!!!! Timing lights Braided oil hoses Mike B.(Still on the five year plan)B. 99cm TLS#1 Mari L Clements wrote: > > rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: > > > Today it is official - in spite of the perennial emcee switching > > > tires, and the > > > (current) lack of a sponsor (BFG politely declined, given the above) > the > > > 2000 version of the Nationals Talent Show will be Thursday night > during > > > our week in Topeka. > > While I agree with Eric that "The Hoosier Talent Show" *does* have a very > nice ring to it, the AV setup would undoubtedly be better if it were "The > Peavey Talent Show"! > > I got the background music for this year's entry this week. One small > problem. This year's music has background vocalists--who are singing the > original words to the song, not my new ones. So, since there were such > interesting and creative suggestions for rhyming "subframe connectors," > I'm hoping some of you will have some ideas for things that are autocross > related and sound sort of like: > > candelight > long stemmed roses > > mlc > '91 MR2 NA > -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree > with---- > > ________________________________________________________________ > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 08:35:34 2000 From: "Ian" To: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:31:22 -0400 Subject: RE: And The Winner Is... Congratulations Karl! A big thanks to all the participants and Matt Murray for administrating the DTN vote. :-) I'll still try my hardest to make it out to Nationals this year...I especially don't want to miss the DTN talent show. :D Ian 92GSX Philly ESP, retired to commuter duties 97GSX Philly Region's Street Modified! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Matt Murray > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 7:56 AM > To: Teamdotnet > Subject: And The Winner Is... > > > Dear Team.Net: > > With several votes coming in just before the end vote, there is now a Year > 200 Driver To Nationals. > > All the candidates were well matched the DTN nominee > requirements, only one > of them can receive the honor. I hope the candidates who were not elected, > will reconsider attending this year's Nationals. It is the Big Show (like > they say in baseball). As should anyone else not already set to > go (you can > meet winner, and other Team.Net denizens!!). > > So it gives me great pleasure and honor to announce this year's Team.Net > Driver To Nationals is: > > (insert drum roll here) > > Karl Rickert!! > > (insert applause here) > > Obviously, I'll still accept checks at my home address, but you could make > them out to Karl instead of me. I'll bring them out to Topeka, unless > otherwise instructed. The Paypal is also up and running, and > David should be > able to give updates as to what has been received, and the conversion to > real money for Karl. I don't know when the actual transfer of > money occurred > previously, but we can confer with the other winners and see what is best. > > Thanks to all who contributed and/or voted. > > Matt Murray > > Former Y2K DTN admin > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com > > 27 Old Mill Road > Westport, CT 06880-6622 > > mattm@optonline.net > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 08:40:39 2000 From: "Kearney, Thomas" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:39:04 -0400 Subject: RE: NEDiv's I have to agree with what Mr. Pozner says about now knowing how much is involved in putting on an event such as Divisionals. Having only been to two Tours and one Divisional (up until this past weekend) I was amazed at the amount of preparation that was required as co-chairman. Tina Reeves was the main force behind the event and I can't possibly thank her enough. I did everything I could to ease the burden on her, but I know that it probably didn't make much of a dent. There are names that most on Team.Net would not recognize (even after the event) but I feel I must give them the credit they deserve....so: Nate Lucier - Timing/scoring/course clean-up/"the guy who got the FLR trailer on-site, then went home for his car" Rob "I had an "incident"" White - Arranged R&R Concessions to be on-site so we didn't have to go far for food Julie & Paul Shaver - Handled mail/registration with ease Tim Moriarty, Bill Hicks, Steve Hayward, and Carl Blokker for running Tech Glen Region for providing their nice timing van and scales (which were left at the site by the way...but FLR got them home safe ;-) ) Mari Clements and all the people I never actually got to meet, who worked extra hard to help out timing/audits Dave Ciufo for securing our title sponsor for the event, and also arranging worker assignments Alan Schoonmaker for keeping the Jr. Driver competitors safe and organized (who'd'a'thunk 5 hp could be fun?!) Dale Seeley - Right hand man to DG in terms of tootin' the SM horn, who did not compete but let two people drive his car (one of which you may know ;-) and also arranged trash removal and the favorable ratio of porta-potties-to-competitors "Hoosier" Tom for making a long trip to support us with tires, air, and comic relief. P.S. - also thanks for the hat Tom!! There's probably at least 100 names I'm forgetting who helped make the event a success, and those people are from regions all over the North East. It was nice to be involved (but I'm still glad it's over) in such a way that I now appreciate what goes on even MORE than I ever did. I will NEVER take any big event for granted after this past weekend. It was also nice to finally start putting some faces with the names I've heard so much about on Team.Net. Anyway, my personal thanks to everyone who helped out, and all the competitors who made the two days exciting. I hope all involved in NEDiv's had a good time. I know I did! T H A N K S, Tom Kearney FLR Solo2 Chair Co-Chair 2000 NEDiv's ______________________________________________________ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:16:45 -0400 From: "Alan Pozner" > Subject: Re: NEDivs Just to add - GS 1st Dale Kunze Type R 2nd ??? Pontiac Sunfire !!! - Great drive both days 3rd Eric Moon Type R 4th Alan Pozner Type R 5th Jeff Macrae Integra GSR DSP 1st Geoff Craig X1/9 2nd Tina Reeves X1/9 3rd Vince Gladfelter BMW 2002tii Thanks to FLR and Glen Region for working so hard. After helping with divisionals last year I know how much is involved. It's a shame the event ended on a "damp" note cause it was all great 'til then. Also props (I hear this is the cool new way of saying thanks but what do I know I'm over 40) to Mari Clements who is from Central PA region but worked her a** off all day Sunday. Thanks also to Mark Sirota for being a stand-up guy. Regards, Alan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:16:45 -0400 From: "Alan Pozner" > Subject: Re: NEDivs Just to add - GS 1st Dale Kunze Type R 2nd ??? Pontiac Sunfire !!! - Great drive both days 3rd Eric Moon Type R 4th Alan Pozner Type R 5th Jeff Macrae Integra GSR DSP 1st Geoff Craig X1/9 2nd Tina Reeves X1/9 3rd Vince Gladfelter BMW 2002tii Thanks to FLR and Glen Region for working so hard. After helping with divisionals last year I know how much is involved. It's a shame the event ended on a "damp" note cause it was all great 'til then. Also props (I hear this is the cool new way of saying thanks but what do I know I'm over 40) to Mari Clements who is from Central PA region but worked her a** off all day Sunday. Thanks also to Mark Sirota for being a stand-up guy. Regards, Alan From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 08:49:42 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:47:52 GMT Subject: Re: And The Winner Is... >Karl Rickert!! > >(insert applause here) Thank You Team.net!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd like to thank all that voted, Team Laughing Stock and Team.net for hosting DTN. Mike B., does TLS have a contingency program? I contacted JD Kemp last week and got a commitment from him to co-drive the Alfa at Nationals if I were elected DTN. So look out Topeka here we come!! Someone find that video of JD and I singing! If the CP drivers need a designated driver for the week, just look me up! I'll shouldn't be to hard to find. How many white '74 Alfa Spiders are gonna show up and run in C-Stock anyway?! Look for the Italian flag in the pits. More later. Thanks Again! Karl Rickert Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 09:06:41 2000 From: Dennis Hale To: COXB@trimofran.org Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Oil All of this reminds me of a couple of things I have seen and heard but never been able to fully reconcile. I wonder if you have any further "depth" on the subject? 1. I had a discussion with an engine builder, Barry Gerolomy, who had worked on the Infiniti Indy project about synthetic oils. He stated that they had done tests and found all the benefits of synthetic were acheived at a 25% mix with common oil. He did not specify what those benefits were exactly. He also stated that Infiniti could have cared less about the information, oil being a very small expense on the project. Is there any collaboration/ hard data sources discussing this phenomeon? 2. In a former life I worked with oil sealed pumps in electronic processing and found huge benefits in acid neutralization of pump oils. The oils were failing in 24 to 48 hours and needed to be replaced lest the pumps would seize, and the pumps would corrode and fail about monthly even with daily oil changes. We used very large filters to remove the particulate load, the oil did double duty as a scrubbing medium. We coated everything we could with teflon to mitigate the corrosion. Finally I hit upon the idea of neutralization, not a little bit influenced by the discussions of acids trapped in car engine oils. The neutralization process eliminated the corrosion problem and the pumps lived a year or more with twice monthly oil changes. Very dramatic effects. The neutralization process evolved into simply pouring a slurry of Calcium Carbonate [marble dust in water, basically a free thing] into the filter element then letting it dry before use. This of course took years to develop into such a simple thing but that is the end of the tale. So has any such work been done in the automotive application? The sulfuric and nitric acid components would be readily resolved into volitile cabonates as were my hydrochloric and fluorides components I suspect. ===== Dennis Hale __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 09:31:57 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:31:07 -0400 Subject: Re: NEDiv's I gotta do a slight rant here. Tom: Indeed there was plenty of port-a-johns at this event. It was great. It didn't appear that any of the units were overtaxed. Thanks to the organizers and Dale for not going light in this regard. I really hate when there is only one or two units for two hundred competitors and their support staff/family/etc. It's bad enough to use these things, but when they are "full" or close to it, it is just gross. Take a little less profit and add more port-a-johns. Rant over. Matt Murray Former Y2K DTN admin https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > Dale Seeley . . . arranged trash removal and the favorable ratio of > porta-potties-to-competitors. . . > T H A N K S, > > Tom Kearney > FLR Solo2 Chair > Co-Chair 2000 NEDiv's From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 09:42:59 2000 From: "Moore, John" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:47:43 -0500 Subject: RE: And The Winner Is... ... > Mike B., does TLS have a contingency program? [Moore, John] Isnt that the "3 feet of duct tape for every car you beat" contingency? Unfortunately isnt 3 ft the exact amount of tape it takes to put a TLS car back together between runs? John Moore TLS #55 1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R (STS) 1993 Toyota MR2 NA (CS) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 09:48:20 2000 From: "David Hawkins" To: "Moore, John" , Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:46:35 -0500 Subject: Re: And The Winner Is... > [Moore, John] Isnt that the "3 feet of duct tape for every car you > beat" contingency? Unfortunately isnt 3 ft the exact amount of tape it takes > to put a TLS car back together between runs? I was surprised that no major body panels fell off of Alfie after I slaughtered 12 cones with him Sunday. Of course, Karl could be getting tricky and putting the tape on the INSIDE of the panels..... Congrats to Karl! David 'looking under couch cushions for Nats money' Hawkins 86 Mr2 CSP in pieces From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 09:51:50 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "team.net" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:53:55 -0400 Subject: Was Re: Oil, Now Testimonial <<<(If you use Slick 50 and swear by it, don't be angry, it's nothing personal. Hard evidence please, and no tesitimonials. ;-) )>>> I've been using it on my hair for 6 months now. Not only am I a lot more attactive to the opposite sex, I get at least 10 more hp at the track from less wind resistance. Next I'm going to install a Splitfire and a coil coupled to a methane detector to auto-ignite my farts. Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 10:16:10 2000 From: "Michael Bullis" To: "team.net" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:16:29 -0700 Subject: RE: Was Re: Oil, Now Testimonial the only thing i can add as a testimonial is that I run Redline 40wt Racing oil - starting my runs with about 190deg oil temp. it is the only oil that will keep my engine from collapsing hydraulic lifters after hitting a fuel cut-off (damn those things) at 7072 rpm. i tried different Mobil 1 viscosities (even 15-50) with no luck - RL racing formulas do stir up a bunch of controversy (you gotta see the flame fests on this subject on other boards) as there are a few issues with detergent, zinc & phosphorus levels / not being ideal for a daily driver I'll deal with long term when/if the time comes - for now running this stuff beats loosing lifters or cam lobes - and i have a few :) just another .02 mike 95 ZR-1 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 10:23:37 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Michael Bullis'" , Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:10:40 -0700 Subject: RE: Was Re: Oil, Now Testimonial On the other hand you could just shift to 2nd gear. :) Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Bullis [mailto:Mike@benchmarksales.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:16 AM To: team.net Subject: RE: Was Re: Oil, Now Testimonial the only thing i can add as a testimonial is that I run Redline 40wt Racing oil - starting my runs with about 190deg oil temp. it is the only oil that will keep my engine from collapsing hydraulic lifters after hitting a fuel cut-off (damn those things) at 7072 rpm. i tried different Mobil 1 viscosities (even 15-50) with no luck - RL racing formulas do stir up a bunch of controversy (you gotta see the flame fests on this subject on other boards) as there are a few issues with detergent, zinc & phosphorus levels / not being ideal for a daily driver I'll deal with long term when/if the time comes - for now running this stuff beats loosing lifters or cam lobes - and i have a few :) just another .02 mike 95 ZR-1 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 10:24:44 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:08:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Sunfire John MacDonald won A Mod in 1975 (Salina), came in second in 1976 (Columbus, OH) in AM and hasn't returned since. His driving talent is obviously still available, 25 years later. --Pat Kelly Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com wrote: > > Bruce is right on. John is very talented with a second year under his 'return' > year. He has many years of experience. Furthuring the proof that a talented > driver beats a mediocre one even when the equipment isn't near the same. > > The Sunfire is a mid-pack GS car at best. Not even in the top 10 of the new > class 8...IMHO. > > AB > > BRUBEL51@aol.com on 08/08/2000 08:46:15 AM > > Please respond to BRUBEL51@aol.com > > To: autox@autox.team.net > cc: (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) > > Subject: Sunfire > > Lets remember that John McDonald is a really good driver with alot of > experience, Hence to say that it is not 90% car and 10% driver. The sunfire > belongs in G-Stock, > Bruce Bellom From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 11:02:23 2000 From: "Michael Bullis" To: "team.net" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:03:45 -0700 Subject: RE: Was Re: Oil, Now Testimonial you should see me shift - it's truly frightening... :-O <> mike From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 11:30:21 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: otgrouch@twosrus.com, jmoore@spyglass.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:28:35 GMT Subject: Re: And The Winner Is... >I was surprised that no major body panels fell off of Alfie after I >slaughtered 12 cones with him Sunday. Of course, Karl could be >getting >tricky and putting the tape on the INSIDE of the panels..... No duct tape, I've upgraded to gaffers tape ;) And if you were to have knocked any body panels off, I'd be in deep dodo, since it's a uni-bodied car. Karl Rickert Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 12:12:37 2000 From: "Ian" To: "Arthur Emerson" , Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:32:40 -0400 Subject: RE: Paging SCAC: Re-class the Pontiac Sunfire! (was Re: NEDivs) I took this as a tongue-in-cheek post. It's interesting to see so many serious replies. If the post wasn't made in jest, I'll add that I watched GS at the NE-Div (several people I knew were running in it) and John MacDonald just plain looked like a good driver. He was right on the cones, not late on the slaloms or offsets, and his throttle and brake application seemed relatively smooth. Ian 92GSX Philly ESP, retired to commuter duties 97GSX Philly Region's Street Modified! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Arthur Emerson > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:07 PM > To: seb@scca.org > Cc: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Paging SCAC: Re-class the Pontiac Sunfire! (was Re: NEDivs) > > > > I'd like to bring it to the attention of the SCAC and SEB that > John T. MacDonald's Y2K Pontiac Sunfire has trophied at both > the Ayer NT and NEDIV. He admits to not having done *anything* > to it but tires. > > Until the true potential of a Sunfire prepped to the limits is > known, I formally request that it be classed in F-Stock if it > is still under probation. Obviously, the thing is a Type-R > killer out of the box, and doesn't belong in GS. [I almost > feel silly writing this, but I'm dead serious!] > > Oh, while you're at it, make sure that the VW Corrado VR6 > (1992-95) winds up in the proposed Class 5..... :-) > > -Arthur ("Beat at Ayer by a @$&~*!^@*# Pontiac Sunfire :-( " edition.) > > > "Alan Pozner" wrote: > > > >Just to add - GS > > > >1st Dale Kunze Type R > >2nd ??? Pontiac Sunfire !!! - Great drive both days > >3rd Eric Moon Type R > >4th Alan Pozner Type R > >5th Jeff Macrae Integra GSR > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 12:19:34 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'autox'" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:17:34 -0500 Subject: Evolution/Peru warmup event Howdy all. I've got a double/double room at the Courtyard Marriott in Kokomo for the Evolution warmup event at Grissom AFB for the nights of Friday Sept 1st, Saturday the 2nd and Sunday the 3rd. There's an entire spare bed that's just begging for someone to sleep in it and split the room costs with me. So, if anyone (male or female, I'm no leach) needs a room for that weekend just give me a holler. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer" Mark Twain From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 12:32:48 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: "Linnhoff, Eric" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:23:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Evolution/Peru warmup event To Eric and anyone else going to Kokomo. We found a really great place to eat there called Grindstone Charlies. Its on the west side of highway 31 just south of the Hampton Inn. This place has really "Killer" food!!!!!!!! Mike(I try to focus on the important things, like food)B. 99cm TLS#1 "Linnhoff, Eric" wrote: > Howdy all. > > I've got a double/double room at the Courtyard Marriott in Kokomo for the > Evolution warmup event at Grissom AFB for the nights of Friday Sept 1st, > Saturday the 2nd and Sunday the 3rd. There's an entire spare bed that's > just begging for someone to sleep in it and split the room costs with me. > > So, if anyone (male or female, I'm no leach) needs a room for that weekend > just give me a holler. > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > 1998 Dodge Neon R/T > #69 DS #13 TLS > eric10mm@qni.com > > "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to > prayer" > Mark Twain From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 12:57:16 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:57:54 -0400 Subject: STLOUS!!!! Re: Evolution/Peru warmup event So Eric is driving all the way from Kansas City to Peru Indiana for labor day weekend.... as upposed to driving to St. Louis for Gateway to Nationals..... hmmmmm Chris Hammond Christoc.com Racing Forums www.christoc.com/forums ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Linnhoff, Eric" Reply-To: "Linnhoff, Eric" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:17:34 -0500 Howdy all. I've got a double/double room at the Courtyard Marriott in Kokomo for the Evolution warmup event at Grissom AFB for the nights of Friday Sept 1st, Saturday the 2nd and Sunday the 3rd. There's an entire spare bed that's just begging for someone to sleep in it and split the room costs with me. So, if anyone (male or female, I'm no leach) needs a room for that weekend just give me a holler. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer" Mark Twain -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 13:23:38 2000 From: "Steven N. Burkett" To: Christopher Hammond Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:17:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: STLOUS!!!! Re: Evolution/Peru warmup event Sorry Chris, but I've got to chime in as a St. Louisan who doesn't believe that we should consider one event or another to be in competition. Fact is, the events can appeal to different folks. You'll get more seat time, instructor feedback, and concrete in Peru. You'll get divisional points, real competition, and more food, lodging and entertainment options in St. Louis. I'm sure that both events can, and will, be successful. Take your pick. I'm going to St. Louis, cause I live here. I'd be torn if I was in between. We all do the best we can to avoid overlap. And some weekends are just too tempting to pass up, like three day ones for example. Anyway, I for one would vote for constructive advertisement of events, without the competitive angle. Steven From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 13:33:39 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: "Steven N. Burkett" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:33:08 -0400 Subject: Re: STLOUS!!!! Re: Evolution/Peru warmup event just to show good faith to the peru event, all STS people go there. I had enough trouble at the peru nt event in my 94 golf with all the competetive STS cars!!! I think I was the fastest 4 door car at the event. Granted I think I was the only 4 door car running at the NT event, but hey, I need to get some enjoyment from somewhere! Seriously though, I was not trying to rip on the Peru event. See everyone wherever they end up! http://www.christoc.com/forums Chris -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 13:46:56 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Christopher Hammond'" , Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:43:16 -0500 Subject: RE: STLOUS!!!! Re: Evolution/Peru warmup event Yeah, I need the seat time something awful. That, and I'm not really in the MiDiv DS points race this year (because I suck), so...............off to Peru I go for some much needed tutelage from the Evolution instructors just prior to the Nationals. I'm still debating whether or not to just run the Solotime event one day on Monday for a little additional seat time. I had planned to stop off in St Louis on my way back on Monday and just watch anyway. I'd just hate to pay the full entry fee rate of $45 for only 4 runs and no Sat. night dinner. :^( Besides, I'll probably be plenty pooped after all the seat time that Jean says I should get at her warmup event. And I may be out of tires at that point too. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer" Mark Twain -----Original Message----- So Eric is driving all the way from Kansas City to Peru Indiana for labor day weekend.... as upposed to driving to St. Louis for Gateway to Nationals..... hmmmmm Chris Hammond Christoc.com Racing Forums www.christoc.com/forums From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 13:49:21 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Steven N. Burkett'" , Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:47:30 -0500 Subject: RE: STLOUS!!!! Re: Evolution/Peru warmup event EXACTLY!!! And after my piss poor presentation of bad driving skills this past weekend (like having to stand on my first run time, DOH!!) I need ALL the seat time that I can get. And the fact that many Evolution instructors will be there for help and advice and to smack me upside the head for driving stupidly is also a big selling point. ;^) Besides, I've already been to 3 Solotime events this year, how 'bout you guys? :^P Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer" Mark Twain -----Original Message----- You'll get more seat time, instructor feedback, and concrete in Peru. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 13:56:34 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:54:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! Mari L Clements wrote: > I got the background music for this year's entry this week. One small > problem. This year's music has background vocalists--who are singing the > original words to the song, not my new ones. Say.... do you want some background vocalists? I think I can bully some SM folks into singing along, and "Mari and the S-Mods" _does_ have a nice ring to it.... DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 13:59:43 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:57:18 -0400 Subject: RE: And The Winner Is... "Ian" > I'll still try my hardest to make it out to Nationals this > year...I especially don't want to miss the DTN talent show. :D Damn straight you're going to Nationals. You have to help sing backup for Mari. Uhhh, say, we don't have to wear the dress too, do we? DG (trying hard not to imagine 6'4" of Ian in Mari's dress.... DOH! Aaaaaaugh!) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 14:02:09 2000 From: jon e prevo To: elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:57:09 -0500 Subject: Re: STLOUS!!!! Re: Evolution/Peru warmup event This is why I cuss in the car more than pray. Seriously, though, praying about your racing imputes responsibility when the responsibility rests squarely on your head. Cussing about a failure is the act of taking responsibility upon yourself. Jon FP 73 I never blame God for my failure. > > "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied > even to > prayer" > Mark Twain > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 14:09:30 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: , "Linnhoff, Eric" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:09:03 -0500 Subject: Re: STLOUS!!!! Re: Evolution/Peru warmup event Eric, You don't have to pay the full entry fee for only one day. Anybody who wants to do this can do it for $25. If you are going to only run one day, please register before Sept 1, though. We haven't published this yet because I just decided it a few minutes ago :) Just kidding, I replied to somebody else on the list regarding the one day fee, but must have done it privately :( Either way, stop by and check out the great lot. Dave Whitworth (Who doesn't want to tick off someone who owns more guns than underwear!) Solotime Gateway to Nationals Chairman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Christopher Hammond'" ; "'autox'" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 2:43 PM Subject: RE: STLOUS!!!! Re: Evolution/Peru warmup event > Yeah, I need the seat time something awful. That, and I'm not really in the > MiDiv DS points race this year (because I suck), so...............off to > Peru I go for some much needed tutelage from the Evolution instructors just > prior to the Nationals. > > I'm still debating whether or not to just run the Solotime event one day on > Monday for a little additional seat time. I had planned to stop off in St > Louis on my way back on Monday and just watch anyway. I'd just hate to pay > the full entry fee rate of $45 for only 4 runs and no Sat. night dinner. :^( > > Besides, I'll probably be plenty pooped after all the seat time that Jean > says I should get at her warmup event. And I may be out of tires at that > point too. > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > 1998 Dodge Neon R/T > #69 DS #13 TLS > eric10mm@qni.com > > "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to > prayer" > Mark Twain > > -----Original Message----- > So Eric is driving all the way from Kansas City to Peru Indiana for labor > day weekend.... as upposed to driving to St. Louis for Gateway to > Nationals..... > hmmmmm > Chris Hammond > Christoc.com Racing Forums www.christoc.com/forums > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 14:11:49 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org, christoc@mail.christoc.com, Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:09:20 EDT Subject: Re: STLOUS!!!! Re: Evolution/Peru warmup event Just so you know-Hoosier Tom will be there for all the mounting and dismounting services...I am actually thrilled in ways as I put a cap of 80 on this, knowing with all the events going on I wouldn't reach that, so the seat time is going to be even more plentiful...hope you have lots of tires!!! LOL Jean From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 15:19:18 2000 From: "Hollis, Andy" To: "'sbrude@email.msn.com'" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:17:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for Kansas Region Contact for the Sat/Sun Practice Sue, I talked to Chris Hutsell at the MDDIV Divisional this past weekend about this exact subject (Nats warm-up). In fact, I hand-delivered to her the entry envelope that the USPS had circulated through its system for three weeks before sending it back to me, despite the fact that I also mailed an identical envelope at the same time to the same name/address to enter the divisional (Chris is/was the registrar for both events). Anyway, Chris said that due to her duties on the Divisional, she has just been date-logging all of the warm-up entries and putting them in a box. Now that the divisional is done, I suspect she'll have some time to go through and send confirmations and such. --Andy PS: She didn't answer my voice mails, either. I'll bet she gets lots of them about this event. -------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:12:34 -0500 From: "Su Brude" Subject: Looking for Kansas Region Contact for the Sat/Sun Practice I am trying to contact anyone regarding my registration for the Sat/Sun Practice prior to Nationals. I sent in my registration the weekend prior to the 4th of July & have heard nothing back. Plus I need to change my car class and number. I have been trying to contact Chris by phone but I always get an answering machine & no return calls. Anyone out there in the Kansas Region that can help me make contact with Chris I would greatly appreciate it. I need to have confirmation that mine (and my husband's) entry made it there & what is the best way for me to change my class. Please email me directly since I am on the digest Thanks in Advance Su Brude "Must Go Faster" (and cleaner) Racing Formally #93 SS - '93 "Arrest Me Red" RX-7 (the decals came off tonight) Hopefully Soon #93 BSP(and sometimes L) - '01 "Arrest Me Even Faster Red" Z06 (hoping they don't mess with the classing) -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 15:27:36 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Philly Autocrossers , "Team.Net" , Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:25:54 -0400 Subject: Vintage FF for sale Jerry Bowden's old Titan FF is for sale, and will probably go very cheap ($4,000 or so, I'm guessing). Jerry sold it a couple of years ago, and the new owner has passed away. His daughter is looking to unload the car. For more information, contact Jerry at 914/424-3656. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 15:59:29 2000 From: Jeffrey Blankenship To: "'dg50@daimlerchrysler.com'" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:57:42 -0500 Subject: RE: And The Winner Is... > -----Original Message----- > From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:dg50@daimlerchrysler.com] > Uhhh, say, we don't have to wear the dress too, do we? > > DG > > (trying hard not to imagine 6'4" of Ian in Mari's dress.... DOH! > Aaaaaaugh!) I don't know what Ian looks like, but judging from the height differential vs. Mari, I'm guessing the hemline would be a nasty problem. And the backlash from the fashion industry is not what most of us auto-x types would want to see, either. Please, don't let this happen! --- Jeffrey "digging the 60's mini comeback, baby" Blankenship jblanken@amdocs.com Amdocs - ITDS - TRIS+ neon enthusiast #478 Champaign, IL, USA P.S. Congratulations and good luck, Karl. And congratulations to Ian and David on your nominations. Worthy candidates all. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 16:03:17 2000 From: "Rick Brown" To: "Team.Net" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:03:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! All I can say is there better be someone with a digital camera there recording this and then posting it somewhere for those of us that can't make it. Maybe even a few avi's or mpeg movies :-) Rick Brown FP 240Z From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 16:07:51 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Matt Murray" , "Teamdotnet" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:34:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Typos, was: And The Winner Is... -----Original Message----- From: Matt Murray To: Teamdotnet Date: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 7:13 AM Subject: Typos, was: And The Winner Is... >Didn't REJ(O) win that honor in the year 200? It was just when he was >starting out. :^) Oddly enough, Rover started after I did. He just did it continously, and a whole lot better. We are the same age. >> Karl Rickert!! Go, Karl! Sorry I won't be there to see you. And I'm glad Matt finally got stuck with the administration of his brainchild! Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban, Soon 1962 TR4? LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 16:32:40 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: , Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:37:21 -0400 Subject: RE: And The Winner Is... Man, I was just trying to eat dinner, now I lost my appetite (after laughing salad dressing out my nose) (No offense IAN but you would make one UGLY woman) Dennis G wrote: (Trying hard not to imagine 6'4" of Ian in Mari's dress.... DOH! Aaaaaaugh!) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 18:49:58 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Mari L Clements" , Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:55:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! From: Mari L Clements >candlelight quick hard right >long stemmed roses braided hoses Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green "If I can do it, it's not lyricism" - Phil Ethier From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 19:06:27 2000 From: RX7cat@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:54:12 EDT Subject: Fwd: Spokes: Keizer Wheels / Buyer Beware (please read) Forwarded at the request of Dan Pedroza In a message dated 8/8/00 10:40:38 AM Central Daylight Time, dan@mazdasouth.com writes: << Hey all, This is just a public service announcement for those of you considering to purchase from Keizer Aluminum Wheels. "Just the fax ma'am!" This has been an ongoing battle that I have had with Keizer Aluminum Wheels, and just when I thought it was resolved, it turns ugly. At the beginning of February of this year I began to look for a good set of 13x9" wheels for my CSP '99 Miata. After not getting many responses from their dealers, I contacted Keizer myself about purchasing them directly and they said that I could get them at wholesale price through my business, The M Road, if i were to purchase as a dealer for Keizer. Minimum initial buy-in was $2,000.00. I agreed. On 2/22/00 I received a set of 13 x 9 wheels, mag centers with 5.5" backspace for my '99 Miata. These are the wheels with the magnesium centers. They were then shipped back and forth with Keizer because of fitting problems with the hub. By early April the wheels finally fit the '99 Miata hub correctly and were ready to be used at their first event. On April 15-16 I competed at the DFW National Tour for its first competition. On Day 1, Run #2, the front passenger side wheel mag center cracked while on course. As a result, my caliper, rotor, dustshield and lip of my fender was damaged. The following Monday I wrote to Keizer (kaw@mtcnet.net) regarding the incident along with 8 images of the broken wheel and damaged vehicle. My final paragraph to them is quoted as follows: "Please take the time to review the pictures with the other folks at Keizer. I'd like to give you guys the chance to make this right by doing the right thing. I must admit, though, that because of this incident I cannot confidently use or sell these magnesium center wheels. I hope you guys will reconsider the design of the wheel before selling more of them...." [the pictures referenced can be seen at the link below] I then called Kevin, my sales rep, letting him know of the situation and he would advise the owner, Wes. On a bright note, Kevin understood my concerns and stated to me numerous times that I would receive my money back from the buy-in. I told him that I would deal with the damage to my car myself as I work for a Mazda dealership and can get parts at employee price. He assured me my account would be credited. He also stated that this is the first experience they've had with a broken wheel. Then things began to turn sour. On April 22 I received an email from Joe Cheng of Vancouver, Canada, advising me of the problem with Keizer mag center wheels. He said that he had a wheel break on his CSP Civic as a result of a design flaw in his opinion. He warned me about selling them on my website. This disturbed me for a number of reasons: 1. I was told by Keizer that i was the only incident of a broken wheel. 2. Keizer KNOWINGLY sold me a set of wheels that they KNEW were defective from their experience with Joe. Since day one of this incident I have only been demanding my buy-in money back as I have lost all confidence in their product. I am also not happy with their practice of not informing their dealer representatives of the problems with the wheel. Yesterday I had a disturbing phone call with one of their employees after I called them for the 5th time asking where my credit was. They advised me that they made the decision NOT to credit my account. I was told that I did a dealer buy-in and could not be expected to get my money back due to one defective product. The ironic thing is that this purchase was my ONLY product purchased from them. I asked to speak with Wes. He was not in so I left a message. He has not returned my phone call. At this point I am no longer interested in getting my buy-in money back ($2,000.00). Because of their knowing and willing decision to send me defective product I am looking to pursue this in a court of law, if necessary, looking for reimbursement not only for the buy-in amount but also for the damage to my caliper, rotor, dustshield and fender. IT's been over four months since this began and I have kept this incident under wraps from the public because I was certain they would make things right with both the consumer and myself. I worked closely with Kevin to make sure of the fit and was actually grateful for the precision he placed on making sure they'd fit my Miata! But, after numerous phone calls with Kevin, who assured me the credit to my account would happen "today", as well as my previous conversation with them yesterday, it is clear that they have no desire to make things right. Pictures of the damage can be seen here: http://www.mroad.com/simunye_projects_april00tour.html (i apologize for the graininess of the images. I got hit by the i love you virus and it killed my .jpg files and all i had were the .gif files of the wheels) (i also apologize to Tom Holt and Gary Alexander seen in one of the pics for allowing the public to see what ugly people we have in Spokes ;) BUYER BEWARE when purchasing from Keizer Aluminum Wheels. >> From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 19:09:28 2000 From: "Williams" To: "Mari L Clements" , Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:57:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Talent Show Lives! Mari, Don't worry if the background music has people singing the 'wrong' lyrics. Just sing LOUDER. Bryan Williams Beer Money Racing > >I got the background music for this year's entry this week. One small >problem. This year's music has background vocalists--who are singing the >original words to the song, not my new ones. So, since there were such >interesting and creative suggestions for rhyming "subframe connectors," >I'm hoping some of you will have some ideas for things that are autocross >related and sound sort of like: > >candelight >long stemmed roses > >mlc >'91 MR2 NA >-----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree >with---- > >________________________________________________________________ >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 19:21:42 2000 From: "Arthur Emerson" To: free2000@quixnet.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:20:38 GMT Subject: WebCast from Topeka, anyone? (was Re: Talent Show Lives!) "Rick Brown" wrote: > >All I can say is there better be someone with a digital camera >there recording this and then posting it somewhere for those of >us that can't make it. Maybe even a few avi's or mpeg movies :-) It's probably too late to get Peavy involved with an audio WebCast of the competition and festivities, but I'm pondering the possibility of putting on our own WebCast live from the field. With .MP3 compression (yeah, I know, dirty words in the recording industry), it should be possible to stream a live audio feed over a standard modem to the Internet, which would then be distributed from a streaming audio site like live365.com. Pulling this off doesn't seem too complex or expensive, and I'm sure that there would be volunteers to coordinate it should the SCCA give a nod of approval..... -Arthur ("Don't have the radios or phone jack" edition.) ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 21:51:18 2000 From: Paul and Meredith Brown To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:42:39 -0600 Subject: Nationals entries Fuel for the rumor mill: entries are up by almost 50% over last year, and have been throughout. That means the goal of 1000 entries should be no problem. There is talk about needing to put a cap on entries, at 1200 or 1300, just because of issues like grid space, banquet space, and daylight hours. Paul and Meredith Brown MR2: "Not the easiest car in the world to work on" From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 22:11:43 2000 From: Karen Kraus To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:12:42 -0700 Subject: NASA-Virginia autocross results The autocross results from the last two NASA-Virginia events are online (http://www.nasaracing.net/autox/july23_00/july23results.htm and http://www.nasaracing.net/autox/aug6_00/aug6results.htm), as well as the points so far (http://www.nasaracing.net/autox/points.htm). The ProKhana points are at http://www.nasaracing.net/autox/propoints.htm. If you have any autox questions (or complaints), please send them to me. The next autocross will be at VIR in conjunction with the PARRC, HPDS and Motorola Cup. Preregistration will open around 8/14 (a week from yesterday). Karen Kraus 1996 Camaro Z28 1LE (FS34) NASA-Virginia Autocross Director -- "You never get away, you only get someplace else." -- Lovka's Dilemma "No matter what they're telling you, they're not telling you the whole truth." -- Todd's Principle "The best view of your soul is from beyond the edge, looking back." -- No Fear http://www.erols.com/kiirenza/trisk From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 22:26:13 2000 From: Bob Mosso To: RX7cat@aol.com Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:25:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Fwd: Spokes: Keizer Wheels / Buyer Beware (please read) FWIW, when I asked about the mag centers Keiser said they were not intended for Solo2, drag race only, and not for heavy cars like my '81 RX-7. Never an issue with the aluminum centers, Bob Mosso RX7cat@aol.com wrote: > > Forwarded at the request of Dan Pedroza > > In a message dated 8/8/00 10:40:38 AM Central Daylight Time, > dan@mazdasouth.com writes: > > << Hey all, > > This is just a public service announcement for those of you considering to > purchase from Keizer Aluminum Wheels. > "Just the fax ma'am!" > > This has been an ongoing battle that I have had with Keizer Aluminum > Wheels, and just when I thought it was resolved, it turns ugly. > > At the beginning of February of this year I began to look for a good set of > 13x9" wheels for my CSP '99 Miata. After not getting many responses from > their dealers, I contacted Keizer myself about purchasing them directly and > they said that I could get them at wholesale price through my business, The > M Road, if i were to purchase as a dealer for Keizer. Minimum initial > buy-in was $2,000.00. I agreed. > > On 2/22/00 I received a set of 13 x 9 wheels, mag centers with 5.5" > backspace for my '99 Miata. These are the wheels with the magnesium > centers. They were then shipped back and forth with Keizer because of > fitting problems with the hub. By early April the wheels finally fit the > '99 Miata hub correctly and were ready to be used at their first event. > > On April 15-16 I competed at the DFW National Tour for its first > competition. On Day 1, Run #2, the front passenger side wheel mag center > cracked while on course. As a result, my caliper, rotor, dustshield and > lip of my fender was damaged. > > The following Monday I wrote to Keizer (kaw@mtcnet.net) regarding the > incident along with 8 images of the broken wheel and damaged vehicle. My > final paragraph to them is quoted as follows: > > "Please take the time to review the pictures with the other folks at > Keizer. I'd like to give you guys the chance to make this right by doing > the right thing. I must admit, though, that because of this incident I > cannot confidently use or sell these magnesium center wheels. I hope you > guys will reconsider the design of the wheel before selling more of > them...." [the pictures referenced can be seen at the link below] > > I then called Kevin, my sales rep, letting him know of the situation and he > would advise the owner, Wes. On a bright note, Kevin understood my > concerns and stated to me numerous times that I would receive my money back > from the buy-in. I told him that I would deal with the damage to my car > myself as I work for a Mazda dealership and can get parts at employee > price. He assured me my account would be credited. He also stated that > this is the first experience they've had with a broken wheel. > > Then things began to turn sour. > > On April 22 I received an email from Joe Cheng of Vancouver, Canada, > advising me of the problem with Keizer mag center wheels. He said that he > had a wheel break on his CSP Civic as a result of a design flaw in his > opinion. He warned me about selling them on my website. > > This disturbed me for a number of reasons: > > 1. I was told by Keizer that i was the only incident of a broken wheel. > 2. Keizer KNOWINGLY sold me a set of wheels that they KNEW were > defective > from their experience with Joe. > > Since day one of this incident I have only been demanding my buy-in money > back as I have lost all confidence in their product. I am also not happy > with their practice of not informing their dealer representatives of the > problems with the wheel. > > Yesterday I had a disturbing phone call with one of their employees after I > called them for the 5th time asking where my credit was. They advised me > that they made the decision NOT to credit my account. I was told that I > did a dealer buy-in and could not be expected to get my money back due to > one defective product. The ironic thing is that this purchase was my ONLY > product purchased from them. I asked to speak with Wes. He was not in so > I left a message. He has not returned my phone call. > > At this point I am no longer interested in getting my buy-in money back > ($2,000.00). Because of their knowing and willing decision to send me > defective product I am looking to pursue this in a court of law, if > necessary, looking for reimbursement not only for the buy-in amount but > also for the damage to my caliper, rotor, dustshield and fender. > > IT's been over four months since this began and I have kept this incident > under wraps from the public because I was certain they would make things > right with both the consumer and myself. I worked closely with Kevin to > make sure of the fit and was actually grateful for the precision he placed > on making sure they'd fit my Miata! But, after numerous phone calls with > Kevin, who assured me the credit to my account would happen "today", as > well as my previous conversation with them yesterday, it is clear that they > have no desire to make things right. > Pictures of the damage can be seen here: > http://www.mroad.com/simunye_projects_april00tour.html (i apologize for the > graininess of the images. I got hit by the i love you virus and it killed > my .jpg files and all i had were the .gif files of the wheels) (i also > apologize to Tom Holt and Gary Alexander seen in one of the pics for > allowing the public to see what ugly people we have in Spokes ;) > > BUYER BEWARE when purchasing from Keizer Aluminum Wheels. > >> From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 23:04:46 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "team.net" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:03:18 -0400 Subject: I think, therefore I am a physicist? <<>> Where do you get these infinite-grip tires? I want a couple hundred sets. And that's what's wrong with your premise. In general the lighter car will be faster because it has less weight transfer. But given that the tires can handle any amount of weight transfer then they would be equal. Or not. YMMV Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 8 23:04:29 2000 From: PAULES56@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:03:07 EDT Subject: bought Celica, now tech questions Hi I am now the owner of a rolling blind spot! A Super White GT with 5 speed. Just fast enough to get me to work every day with a little flash. Too few miles to see why you guys do so well with it in ES. Since I cannot yet get a service manual, I was wondering if anyone has found out how to adjust the clutch. I have to push it all the way to the floor to get full disengagement. I am not used to this and with the close ratio gears, I am not shifting as silky smooth as I used to in the ford or CRX. Second, using the tire pressures listed on the doorjamb, the car feels a bit reluctant to get off dead center. Fine for running down the highway, but I was hoping for a little more spirited cornering. Anyone experiment with higher pressures in the stock tires? Quite an experience going from a kart and CRX to this LONG wheelbase coupe. Did anyone else notice that there is no grill - leaving the A/C condenser coil very vulnerable? Any suggestions before I buy some egg crate or rat wire to protect it from gravel and road debris? Suggestions for a trailer hitch source? It has been just too hot here to really look under the car. Just hoping for some inspiration, and some rain to put out the forest fires. Paul From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 08:59:18 2000 From: Bradley Lamont To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:58:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals entries At 10:42 PM 8/8/00, Paul and Meredith Brown said: >Fuel for the rumor mill: entries are up by almost 50% over last year, and >have been throughout. That means the goal of 1000 entries should be no >problem. There is talk about needing to put a cap on entries, at 1200 or >1300, just because of issues like grid space, banquet space, and daylight >hours. Current entry numbers (as of 8/7/00): SS 22 SSL 8 AS 29 ASL 6 BS 23 BSL 4 CS 25 CSL 2 DS 8 <------ WOW! DSL 2 ES 14 ESL 3 FS 34 FSL 3 GS 22 GSL 1 HS 8 HSL 0 ASP 12 ASPL 1 BSP 20 BSPL 4 CSP 14 CSPL 3 DSP 6 DSPL 0 ESP 20 ESPL 5 FSP 15 FSPL 3 AP 7 APL 0 BP 9 BPL 1 CP 38 <----- WOW (again)! CPL 9 DP 7 DPL 4 EP 4 EPL 2 FP 3 FPL 0 AM 15 AML 0 BM 9 BML 2 CM 30 CML 2 DM 9 DML 1 EM 20 <----- Includes 9 SM cars EML 2 FM 7 FML 1 F125 6 F125L 1 STS 7 STSL 2 Total 515 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Lamont email: lamont@mailhost.org http://www.mailhost.org/~lamont From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 09:21:42 2000 From: BRUBEL51@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:20:37 EDT Subject: Need National Info on Practice Hello All: Who knows how to sign up for the Nationals Practice sessions in Topeka Would Appreciate the info.. Thanks Bruce Bellom From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 10:06:16 2000 From: Sam & Greg Scharnberg To: BRUBEL51@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:49:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Need National Info on Practice Here is the info on the National Warm Up event at Forbes Field September 9 & 10: Entry Fee: $20 - Saturday Only $25 - Sunday Only $40 - Both Days Sunday Entries are limited to the first 180 entries received with payment. After 180, entrants will be placed on a waiting list. NO multiple entries for the same driver will be accepted for Sunday. Use the generic Solo II entry form in SportsCar or any Solo II entry form you have handy. Send Entries and checks payable to Kansas Region, SCCA (by mail only) to: Chris Hutsell 1329 SW 30th St Topeka KS 66611 (785)266-3035 See you at Forbes Field, Sam At 11:20 AM 8/9/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hello All:    Who knows how to sign up for the Nationals Practice sessions in >Topeka >Would Appreciate the info.. >Thanks >Bruce Bellom > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 10:58:14 2000 From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: bspvette@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:52:57 -0700 Subject: For sale: 1989 Corvette/trailer/racing wheels - Arizona 1989 Corvette Coupe - White FX3 Z51 Sheepskin seat covers Trailer hitch 50k miles - all in Arizona Have replaced: * alternator * water pump * Bilstein rebuilt shocks * A/C clutch * power brake booster * interior carpet $10,500 firm Also available: Enclosed tire trailer 4'x4'x2.5' 1-7/8" hitch 2 spare tires $550 firm Also available: set of 4 wheels 17.5x9 2 highly polished, 2 standard finish 4 well used kumho's mounted $450 firm $11,250 for the entire package call 602 971 7422 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:03:07 2000 From: "Kent Rafferty" To: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:03:10 -0400 Subject: AS is getting interesting As if AS isn't enough of a dogfight, I noticed Jeff Altenburg will be driving a Boxter in AS at Nationals. Yellow no less - and we all know yellow is the fastest color..... AS will be entertaining to watch! Kent Rafferty From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:24:24 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:22:20 -0400 Subject: The Tribal Council Vote, was: AS is getting interesting Kent: Unfortunately, you are too late. The A Stock Tribal Council (The Pahtooey Tribe) voted Jeff off the island on Monday. :^) Matt Murray When was A Stock *not* interesting to watch?? :^) Former Y2K DTN admin There is now a direct link to Karl Rickert via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net The old one was: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=drivertonationals%40yahoo.com As before via snail mail, made out to Karl Rickert: Matt Murray 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > As if AS isn't enough of a dogfight, I noticed > Jeff Altenburg will be driving a Boxter in AS > at Nationals. Yellow no less - and we all know > yellow is the fastest color..... > > AS will be entertaining to watch! > > Kent Rafferty > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:31:55 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: gs96@sgi.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:29:54 EDT Subject: Re: AS is getting interesting In a message dated 8/9/00 11:06:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gs96@sgi.net writes: << As if AS isn't enough of a dogfight, I noticed Jeff Altenburg will be driving a Boxter in AS at Nationals. Yellow no less - and we all know yellow is the fastest color..... AS will be entertaining to watch! >> And if this doesn't add more..Jeff's best friend Neal Sapp has been in the hunt for an S2000 or Boxter to co-drive in...you are right-this will be one of the best classes to watch!! Jean From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:33:16 2000 From: Alan Pozner To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:31:32 -0400 Subject: RE:The Tribal Council Vote, Matt wrote: >>Unfortunately, you are too late. The A Stock Tribal Council (The Pahtooey >>Tribe) voted Jeff off the island on Monday. :^) >>Matt Murray uhhh, Matt - too much TV for you young man. Go to your room and read your rule book :-) Regards, Alan From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:41:07 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:39:39 EDT Subject: cen-div bulletin-Peru Labor Day reg-extended I just got my Cen-Div Bulletin today and noticed the deadline for registration for Evolution's warm up in Peru is August 1st...makes it hard for some people to send in some entries...so I am extending it till August 20th. Jean Kinser Owner From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:44:53 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Alan Pozner" , Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:44:26 -0400 Subject: Re: The Tribal Council Vote Lemmy see, I get paid to watch a certain Automotive, Motorcycle, Aviation, and Marine focused Cable Network, employed by Survivor's parent company (CBS/Viacom or ? once my division is divested), and you're telling me I watch too much television??!? :^) Please mention that to my boss. :^) Survivor is just silly enough to keep me coming back, except for the naked fat guy. Big Brother? Unwatchable. Lock the doors of the compound and throw away the keys. FWIW, last week's survivor pulled 27.4 million viewers (good numbers), but BB only held 17 million. Ummm, what is chasing those 10 million away. And when the show airs on its own, the numbers are awful. As a TV pundit put it, instead of 26 cameras around the house and one in the shower, put one camera in the house and the other 26 in the shower. . . Then I might watch. :^) BTW, what's a *book*? :^) Matt Murray Former Y2K DTN admin There is now a direct link to Karl Rickert via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > Matt wrote: > > >>Unfortunately, you are too late. The A Stock Tribal Council (The Pahtooey > >>Tribe) voted Jeff off the island on Monday. :^) > > >>Matt Murray > > uhhh, Matt - too much TV for you young man. Go to your room and read your > rule book :-) > > Regards, > Alan > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:51:45 2000 From: Jeff Winchell To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:30:10 -0700 Subject: ESP Entries Down at Nationals Interesting that ESP had 2nd largest class last year and so far this year it is 9th. -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Lamont [mailto:lamont@mailhost.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:58 AM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Nationals entries At 10:42 PM 8/8/00, Paul and Meredith Brown said: >Fuel for the rumor mill: entries are up by almost 50% over last year, and >have been throughout. That means the goal of 1000 entries should be no >problem. There is talk about needing to put a cap on entries, at 1200 or >1300, just because of issues like grid space, banquet space, and daylight >hours. Current entry numbers (as of 8/7/00): SS 22 SSL 8 AS 29 ASL 6 BS 23 BSL 4 CS 25 CSL 2 DS 8 <------ WOW! DSL 2 ES 14 ESL 3 FS 34 FSL 3 GS 22 GSL 1 HS 8 HSL 0 ASP 12 ASPL 1 BSP 20 BSPL 4 CSP 14 CSPL 3 DSP 6 DSPL 0 ESP 20 ESPL 5 FSP 15 FSPL 3 AP 7 APL 0 BP 9 BPL 1 CP 38 <----- WOW (again)! CPL 9 DP 7 DPL 4 EP 4 EPL 2 FP 3 FPL 0 AM 15 AML 0 BM 9 BML 2 CM 30 CML 2 DM 9 DML 1 EM 20 <----- Includes 9 SM cars EML 2 FM 7 FML 1 F125 6 F125L 1 STS 7 STSL 2 Total 515 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Lamont email: lamont@mailhost.org http://www.mailhost.org/~lamont From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:48:17 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Team.net'" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:34:55 -0700 Subject: FW: help in San Diego? > Is there any really nice team.netr in the San Diego area I could > call upon for a favor? There is a car for sale at a dealer in San Diego > that I am interested in. However before I make the drive from Phoenix this > weekend I was wanted to see if I could get someone to do a basic once > over on the car. Nothing big just make sure it is not a flood damaged > burned out wreck. :) > I could buy you many drinks and dinner on my next trip over in > return. If you are interested shoot me a message and I can get you > details. > If you know anything about TT RX7s that would be an added bonus but > I am not picky. As long as you have one good eye and common sense you > would qualify for this task. > > Thanks > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:50:27 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:47:39 EDT Subject: Re: AS is getting interesting << > > AS will be entertaining to watch! > >> Ah phooey, watchin' is for sissies... mAs - the timex man From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:52:43 2000 From: Sam Strano To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:57:10 -0400 Subject: looking for Eric Kriemelmeyer Anyone have his e-mail or phone number handy? Karen?? Thanks, Sam Sam Strano Jr. Strano Performance Parts 800-729-1831 orders/price info. 814-849-3417 technical info. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:53:48 2000 From: "Michael Bullis" To: "Isley, Jason C." , "'Team.net'" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:55:35 -0700 Subject: RE: help in San Diego? you will have to change your plate to KLR RX7! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 12:58:30 2000 From: "Jay Mitchell" To: "Matt Murray" , "Alan Pozner" , Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:57:18 -0500 Subject: Re: The Tribal Council Vote Matt Murray sez: > BTW, what's a *book*? :^) To quote Carol Kane from an obscure sitcom that was cancelled after three or four episodes, "Oh, you _read_? Will you be mah friend faw life?" (She was playing a Suthuhn belle if it's not plain from my phunetic spellin') Jay "name that sitcom" Mitchell From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 13:00:58 2000 From: "Jay Mitchell" To: "Matt Murray" , "Alan Pozner" , Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:57:18 -0500 Subject: Re: The Tribal Council Vote Matt Murray sez: > BTW, what's a *book*? :^) To quote Carol Kane from an obscure sitcom that was cancelled after three or four episodes, "Oh, you _read_? Will you be mah friend faw life?" (She was playing a Suthuhn belle if it's not plain from my phunetic spellin') Jay "name that sitcom" Mitchell From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 13:00:56 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Mike@benchmarksales.net'" , Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:48:24 -0700 Subject: RE: help in San Diego? No its a daily driver for the wife. She wants PRINCESS but I was thinking VET KLR. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Bullis [mailto:Mike@benchmarksales.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:56 PM To: Isley, Jason C.; 'Team.net' Subject: RE: help in San Diego? you will have to change your plate to KLR RX7! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 13:03:16 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:03:00 -0400 Subject: Name that sitcom, was: The Tribal Council Vote Bzzzzt. I don't remember. No immunity necklace for me. Better watch out for NFG (Naked Fat Guy). Matt Murray Former Y2K DTN admin There is now a direct link to Karl Rickert via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > Matt Murray sez: > > > BTW, what's a *book*? :^) > > To quote Carol Kane from an obscure sitcom that was cancelled > after three or four episodes, "Oh, you _read_? Will you be mah > friend faw life?" (She was playing a Suthuhn belle if it's not > plain from my phunetic spellin') > > Jay "name that sitcom" Mitchell From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 13:08:45 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Jeff Winchell" , Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:14:14 -0400 Subject: RE: ESP Entries Down at Nationals Well keep in mind Jeff, SM is also raping ESP entries, not to mention the inherent fear of a certain torquless wonder German family sedan that has a lot of entries scared, regardless if it keeps getting proven time and again that a well prepped F car can compete in the national arena. I personally know 5 local ESP drivers that moved to SM that was like 50% of the class! And we don't have any esp. M3's in our region... If it helps let my 1.9-liter BMW run in ESP instead of BS or CSP and You'll have another entry Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jeff Winchell Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:30 PM To: 'autox@autox.team.net' Subject: ESP Entries Down at Nationals Interesting that ESP had 2nd largest class last year and so far this year it is 9th. -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Lamont [mailto:lamont@mailhost.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:58 AM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Nationals entries At 10:42 PM 8/8/00, Paul and Meredith Brown said: >Fuel for the rumor mill: entries are up by almost 50% over last year, and >have been throughout. That means the goal of 1000 entries should be no >problem. There is talk about needing to put a cap on entries, at 1200 or >1300, just because of issues like grid space, banquet space, and daylight >hours. Current entry numbers (as of 8/7/00): SS 22 SSL 8 AS 29 ASL 6 BS 23 BSL 4 CS 25 CSL 2 DS 8 <------ WOW! DSL 2 ES 14 ESL 3 FS 34 FSL 3 GS 22 GSL 1 HS 8 HSL 0 ASP 12 ASPL 1 BSP 20 BSPL 4 CSP 14 CSPL 3 DSP 6 DSPL 0 ESP 20 ESPL 5 FSP 15 FSPL 3 AP 7 APL 0 BP 9 BPL 1 CP 38 <----- WOW (again)! CPL 9 DP 7 DPL 4 EP 4 EPL 2 FP 3 FPL 0 AM 15 AML 0 BM 9 BML 2 CM 30 CML 2 DM 9 DML 1 EM 20 <----- Includes 9 SM cars EML 2 FM 7 FML 1 F125 6 F125L 1 STS 7 STSL 2 Total 515 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Lamont email: lamont@mailhost.org http://www.mailhost.org/~lamont From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 13:12:13 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" , Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:17:59 -0400 Subject: pokey to BS!!!! To all: With the movement of the SC Mr2 to BS next year and the creation of the 6x6 SLK for 2000 That opens up a door for the Mercedes (brand X) 4cylinder SLK roadster To come and play with the B-stockers how does everyone feel about this, I'm going to write a letter. If the 6 speed/cylinder SLK does better in AS leave it there, and bring the pokey 4cylinder to play in the world of 4 cylinder roadsters. Drove one when I bought the Z3 and it will not upset any Miata apple cart. Heck it can't even stick with the Z-pig... Jeff From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 13:21:34 2000 From: Jeff Winchell To: "'autox@autox.Team.net'" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:13:08 -0700 Subject: RE: ESP Entries Down at Nationals -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lloyd [mailto:Jeff@cyberconceptz.com] To: Jeff Winchell; autox@autox.team.net >Well keep in mind Jeff, SM is also raping ESP entries, not to mention the >inherent fear of a certain torquless wonder German family sedan that has a >lot of entries scared We at least one of those SM rapees is a certain torquless wonder German family sedan. >regardless if it keeps getting proven time and again >that a well prepped F car can compete in the national arena. I'm not aware of a single example, let alone the number of events implied by "time and again." Could you fill me in here? -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jeff Winchell Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:30 PM To: 'autox@autox.team.net' Subject: ESP Entries Down at Nationals Interesting that ESP had 2nd largest class last year and so far this year it is 9th. -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Lamont [mailto:lamont@mailhost.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:58 AM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Nationals entries At 10:42 PM 8/8/00, Paul and Meredith Brown said: >Fuel for the rumor mill: entries are up by almost 50% over last year, and >have been throughout. That means the goal of 1000 entries should be no >problem. There is talk about needing to put a cap on entries, at 1200 or >1300, just because of issues like grid space, banquet space, and daylight >hours. Current entry numbers (as of 8/7/00): SS 22 SSL 8 AS 29 ASL 6 BS 23 BSL 4 CS 25 CSL 2 DS 8 <------ WOW! DSL 2 ES 14 ESL 3 FS 34 FSL 3 GS 22 GSL 1 HS 8 HSL 0 ASP 12 ASPL 1 BSP 20 BSPL 4 CSP 14 CSPL 3 DSP 6 DSPL 0 ESP 20 ESPL 5 FSP 15 FSPL 3 AP 7 APL 0 BP 9 BPL 1 CP 38 <----- WOW (again)! CPL 9 DP 7 DPL 4 EP 4 EPL 2 FP 3 FPL 0 AM 15 AML 0 BM 9 BML 2 CM 30 CML 2 DM 9 DML 1 EM 20 <----- Includes 9 SM cars EML 2 FM 7 FML 1 F125 6 F125L 1 STS 7 STSL 2 Total 515 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 13:34:46 2000 From: jon e prevo To: jemitchell@compuserve.com Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:29:26 -0500 Subject: Re: The Tribal Council Vote Now Jay, that is truly pitiful! ;-) Jon (suthern an' still readin')FP 73 On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:57:18 -0500 "Jay Mitchell" writes: > Matt Murray sez: > > > BTW, what's a *book*? :^) > > To quote Carol Kane from an obscure sitcom that was cancelled > after three or four episodes, "Oh, you _read_? Will you be mah > friend faw life?" (She was playing a Suthuhn belle if it's not > plain from my phunetic spellin') > > Jay "name that sitcom" Mitchell > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 13:31:31 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Jeff Winchell" , Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:37:16 -0400 Subject: RE: ESP Entries Down at Nationals Sorry Jeff, I'm still getting over the last time we rehashed this subject, as Dana Carvey playing the father of our next president so eloquently said NOT GONN DO IT!!!!! Jeff Lloyd '96 Z3 1.9 (only 2 payments behind) Shooting for ESP in '03 Jeff W wrote: I'm not aware of a single example, let alone the number of events implied by "time and again." Could you fill me in here? -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jeff Winchell Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:30 PM To: 'autox@autox.team.net' Subject: ESP Entries Down at Nationals Interesting that ESP had 2nd largest class last year and so far this year it is 9th. -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Lamont [mailto:lamont@mailhost.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:58 AM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Nationals entries At 10:42 PM 8/8/00, Paul and Meredith Brown said: >Fuel for the rumor mill: entries are up by almost 50% over last year, and >have been throughout. That means the goal of 1000 entries should be no >problem. There is talk about needing to put a cap on entries, at 1200 or >1300, just because of issues like grid space, banquet space, and daylight >hours. Current entry numbers (as of 8/7/00): SS 22 SSL 8 AS 29 ASL 6 BS 23 BSL 4 CS 25 CSL 2 DS 8 <------ WOW! DSL 2 ES 14 ESL 3 FS 34 FSL 3 GS 22 GSL 1 HS 8 HSL 0 ASP 12 ASPL 1 BSP 20 BSPL 4 CSP 14 CSPL 3 DSP 6 DSPL 0 ESP 20 ESPL 5 FSP 15 FSPL 3 AP 7 APL 0 BP 9 BPL 1 CP 38 <----- WOW (again)! CPL 9 DP 7 DPL 4 EP 4 EPL 2 FP 3 FPL 0 AM 15 AML 0 BM 9 BML 2 CM 30 CML 2 DM 9 DML 1 EM 20 <----- Includes 9 SM cars EML 2 FM 7 FML 1 F125 6 F125L 1 STS 7 STSL 2 Total 515 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 13:54:15 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:52:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Nationals entries Bradley Lamont wrote: > EM 20 <----- Includes 9 SM cars For what it's worth, I know of 3 more in-the-mail SM entries, and at least 2 more that I'm pretty sure are going, but I don't know their entry form status. So that makes 14 cars in SM Hey, Ian!! Fax in that entry form already, willya? You'll make #15, and we'll get our class! That is, unless a certain wooly Pinto driver who has been seen driving SM wants to step up to the plate. I'll even let you keep your number, Mr Gretzky.... :) DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 13:58:37 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'dg50@daimlerchrysler.com'" , Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:57:15 -0500 Subject: RE: Nationals entries Racing a Pinto? There's just something really wrong about that. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer" Mark Twain ------Original Message------------------------------ That is, unless a certain wooly Pinto driver who has been seen driving SM wants to step up to the plate. I'll even let you keep your number, Mr Gretzky.... :) DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 14:02:37 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:00:09 -0400 Subject: RE: ESP Entries Down at Nationals "Jeff Lloyd" wrote: > Well keep in mind Jeff, SM is also raping ESP entries Uhhh... I don't know what you've been hearing, but I can assure you that anything going on between SM and ESP has been entirely mutual.... Although I do have to admit that Fedja is kinda cute in the right light. C'mere big boy! :) :) :) > I personally know 5 local ESP drivers that moved to SM that was like 50% of > the class! And we don't have any esp. M3's in our region... One might come to the conclusion than SM is more fun.... But we sure ain't stealing people from ESP on the Nationals front, or we'd have 39 SM cars right now. I wish! DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 14:17:58 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:23:19 -0400 Subject: RE: Nationals entries But Eric, What happens if it slides off course rupturing its fuel tank??? I don't think that could ever happen to an SM car but.... Jeff Tongue planted firmly in cheek Can just picture the CM guys "GET the marshmallows ready that pinto's at the line" Just pictured 20 CM guys dancing nekked around a burning pinto, gawd and I gave up drugs years ago. -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linnhoff, Eric Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 3:57 PM To: 'dg50@daimlerchrysler.com'; 'autox@autox.team.net' Subject: RE: Nationals entries Racing a Pinto? There's just something really wrong about that. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer" Mark Twain ------Original Message------------------------------ That is, unless a certain wooly Pinto driver who has been seen driving SM wants to step up to the plate. I'll even let you keep your number, Mr Gretzky.... :) DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 14:23:12 2000 From: "Bruce Haden" To: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:23:06 -0700 Subject: RE: Nationals entries HEY!!! I represent that remark!!!! 8-) ***EP Pinto*** Racing a Pinto? There's just something really wrong about that. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer" Mark Twain ------Original Message------------------------------ That is, unless a certain wooly Pinto driver who has been seen driving SM wants to step up to the plate. I'll even let you keep your number, Mr Gretzky.... :) DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 14:28:14 2000 From: SVPViper@aol.com To: Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:27:11 EDT Subject: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? Where would the Z06 Corvette be classed at National's? They are already hitting the streets, and I was wondering if they would fall under the non-classed car rule and go to SS? Thanks, Dave Schotz From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 14:31:25 2000 From: "Otto Crosser" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:30:13 EDT Subject: RE: Nationals entries Uhhh, Shouldn't that be CP... Errr did ya blow them fenders off the Pinto bean? Otto >From: "Jeff Lloyd" >Reply-To: "Jeff Lloyd" >To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , > >Subject: RE: Nationals entries >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:23:19 -0400 > >But Eric, > >What happens if it slides off course rupturing its fuel tank??? >I don't think that could ever happen to an SM car but.... > >Jeff >Tongue planted firmly in cheek > >Can just picture the CM guys "GET the marshmallows ready that pinto's at >the >line" >Just pictured 20 CM guys dancing nekked around a burning pinto, gawd and I >gave up drugs years ago. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On >Behalf Of Linnhoff, Eric >Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 3:57 PM >To: 'dg50@daimlerchrysler.com'; 'autox@autox.team.net' >Subject: RE: Nationals entries > >Racing a Pinto? There's just something really wrong about that. ;^) > >Eric Linnhoff in KC >1998 Dodge Neon R/T >#69 DS #13 TLS >eric10mm@qni.com > >"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to >prayer" >Mark Twain > >------Original Message------------------------------ >That is, unless a certain wooly Pinto driver who has been seen driving SM >wants to step up to the plate. I'll even let you keep your number, Mr >Gretzky.... :) > >DG > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 14:43:55 2000 From: "Siebold, Frank" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:41:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Classing Cars with Physics snip > > > > Say, here's another thorny thought. I have 2 cars: they are the same > > dimentionally (length, width, height, wheelbase etc) They have > > infinite-grip tires. They have the same power/weight ratios, and the > weight > > distribution is the same. One weighs 1000lbs more than the other. Which > car > > is faster, or are they tied? > > > > DG > > > The heavier car is faster if the power-to-weight ratio is equal since the aerodynamic drag is identical for two cars with the same size and shape. As the speeds increase, the heavier, more powerful car will accelerate faster compared to the other. Frank From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 14:51:17 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:49:53 GMT Subject: Ozark SEDiv Divisional Solo2 Registration Registration will be closing tomorrow at noon (Aug 8th) for the SEDiv's first Solo2 Championship Event of the year in Ozark, AL. Please make sure to check out the website to see if you are registered and your information listed is correct. And if you haven't registered yet DO IT! We have 149 cars registered at the moment and hope to break 150! http://www.eec.com/sediv Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Karl Rickert Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 15:25:48 2000 From: "Mr. DSM" To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: ESP Entries Down at Nationals On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:00:09 -0400, dg50@daimlerchrysler.com wrote: > "Jeff Lloyd" wrote: > > > Well keep in mind Jeff, SM is also raping ESP entries > > Uhhh... I don't know what you've been hearing, but I can assure you that > anything going on between SM and ESP has been entirely mutual.... > > Although I do have to admit that Fedja is kinda cute in the right light. > C'mere big boy! > > :) :) :) > Cute for still being in ESP or ...? But, you know what. Watch out what you wish for. You just might get it! :) And, about the number of entries in ESP so far, I still believe that we will be somewhere over the 30 this year. I would not expect to see numbers from the last year, especially when certain foreign white car beats everyone by almost 3 seconds on last years South course driven both ways this past weekend. :) Have fun! Fedja 95 AWD #34 ESP ps. I heard it is going to rain at least one day for the ESP this year, which might help a bit against you know whom! :) _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 15:32:43 2000 From: Ghsharp@aol.com To: SVPViper@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:31:30 EDT Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? In a message dated 8/9/00 4:32:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SVPViper@aol.com writes: << Where would the Z06 Corvette be classed at National's? They are already hitting the streets, and I was wondering if they would fall under the non-classed car rule and go to SS? >> "Sec. 3.1 Eligible Vehicles" reads in part: "Cars designated as being of a model year later than the current year are not eligible to compete in Divisional, Tour, or Solo II National Championships, unless they have been specifically classed by the SEB." GH Sharp From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 15:44:34 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:45:51 -0500 Subject: Labor Day in St. Louis Don't forget the final Solotime event in St. Louis on Labor Day Weekend (Sunday and Monday) Details are available at www.wcsllc.net/GatewaytoNationals Also, for those of you who are running the Peru warm up on Saturday and Sunday, we are offering a one day entry fee of $25 so you can get plenty of practice in before Nationals. Thanks Dave Whitworth dave@wcsllc.net Environtrol Corporation Asthma and Allergy Care Supplies www.environtrol.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 15:41:45 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: SVPViper@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:40:29 PDT Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? It won't be. I can't find the rule right now, but the car model year must be no greater than the current calendar year. This can be excepted by petitioning the SEB with info that essentially says that the car didn't change in any significant way from the prior year's model - that is patently not the case with the Z06. KeS >From: SVPViper@aol.com >Reply-To: SVPViper@aol.com >To: >Subject: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:27:11 EDT > >Where would the Z06 Corvette be classed at National's? They are already >hitting the streets, and I was wondering if they would fall under the >non-classed car rule and go to SS? > Thanks, > Dave Schotz > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 15:51:35 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: SVPViper@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:50:28 PDT Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? Here it is: 3.1 Cars designated as being of a model year later than the current year are not eligible to compete in Divisional, Tour, or Solo II National Championships, unless they have been specifically classed by the SEB. So I guess a request for classification could be made, but I strongly doubt (and hope) that it wouldn't be granted. KeS >From: SVPViper@aol.com >Reply-To: SVPViper@aol.com >To: >Subject: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:27:11 EDT > >Where would the Z06 Corvette be classed at National's? They are already >hitting the streets, and I was wondering if they would fall under the >non-classed car rule and go to SS? > Thanks, > Dave Schotz > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 16:21:22 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:20:09 GMT Subject: Re: Ozark SEDiv Divisional Solo2 Registration Silly me! Registration closes on August 10th at noon, not the 8th. >From: "Karl Rickert" >Registration will be closing tomorrow at noon (Aug 8th) for the >SEDiv's >first Solo2 Championship Event of the year in Ozark, AL. >Please make sure >to check out the website to see if you are >registered and your information >listed is correct. And if you haven't >registered yet DO IT! >We have 149 cars registered at the moment and hope to break 150! > >http://www.eec.com/sediv > Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Karl Rickert Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 16:37:10 2000 From: Lee Piccione To: Kevin Stevens Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:39:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? Why would a C5 w/ a Z06 option not be eligble? The 'Z06' is a OPTION, not a NEW CAR. The CAR that the Z06 OPTION is available on has been produced since 1997, and has already been classed in SS..... Lee (former C5 driver) Kevin Stevens wrote: > Here it is: > > 3.1 Cars designated as being of a model year later than the current year > are not eligible to compete in Divisional, Tour, or Solo II National > Championships, unless they have been specifically classed by the SEB. > > So I guess a request for classification could be made, but I strongly doubt > (and hope) that it wouldn't be granted. > > KeS > > >From: SVPViper@aol.com > >Reply-To: SVPViper@aol.com > >To: > >Subject: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? > >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:27:11 EDT > > > >Where would the Z06 Corvette be classed at National's? They are already > >hitting the streets, and I was wondering if they would fall under the > >non-classed car rule and go to SS? > > Thanks, > > Dave Schotz > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 16:57:08 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: leepic@smart.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:55:12 EDT Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? What's not to understand? The rules seems very specific to me: It's not a current model year vehicle and it hasn't been specifically classed by the SEB; only the 2000 and newer C5's are classified, and the Z06 is not a 2000 model year option. M Sipe leepic@smart.net writes: << Why would a C5 w/ a Z06 option not be eligble? The 'Z06' is a OPTION, not a NEW CAR. The CAR that the Z06 OPTION is available on has been produced since 1997, and has already been classed in SS..... Lee (former C5 driver) > Here it is: > > 3.1 Cars designated as being of a model year later than the current year > are not eligible to compete in Divisional, Tour, or Solo II National > Championships, unless they have been specifically classed by the SEB. > >> From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 16:58:39 2000 From: "Chuck McMillion" To: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:59:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? what about the newest Camaro? (96+) You have the normal 5.7 litre in F-stock then you have the Camaro SS *option* in SS OR Also look at the WS6 option Firbird/Trans-AM in SS Then the non-WS6 option back in F-stock.. So to me the ZO6 preformance option should cause it to be classed as a separate car. Even though it will likley be classed into SS anyway, it is still a different car. It doesn't matter to me, Us RX-7 guys will still have fun killing them in our 5-7 year old jap cars with 78% less displacement... Take it easy, Chuck McMillion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Piccione" To: "Kevin Stevens" Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? > Why would a C5 w/ a Z06 option not be eligble? The 'Z06' is a OPTION, not > a NEW CAR. The CAR that the Z06 OPTION is available on has been produced > since 1997, and has already been classed in SS..... > Lee (former C5 driver) > > Kevin Stevens wrote: > > > Here it is: > > > > 3.1 Cars designated as being of a model year later than the current year > > are not eligible to compete in Divisional, Tour, or Solo II National > > Championships, unless they have been specifically classed by the SEB. > > > > So I guess a request for classification could be made, but I strongly doubt > > (and hope) that it wouldn't be granted. > > > > KeS > > > > >From: SVPViper@aol.com > > >Reply-To: SVPViper@aol.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? > > >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:27:11 EDT > > > > > >Where would the Z06 Corvette be classed at National's? They are already > > >hitting the streets, and I was wondering if they would fall under the > > >non-classed car rule and go to SS? > > > Thanks, > > > Dave Schotz > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 17:17:55 2000 From: Karl Witt To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:35:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? The difference between the two cars you've mentioned and the Z06 is that the SS and WS6 are considered "tuner" cars by the SEB. The Z06 comes directly off the corvette production line. Re: Rx7s and the Z06....don't get me wrong, i love the 3rd gen RX7, but i think it's met it's match. This isn't your father's C5...er...wait...that oldsmobile =) karl At 05:59 PM 8/9/2000 -0500, Chuck McMillion did say: >what about the newest Camaro? (96+) > You have the normal 5.7 litre in F-stock >then you have the Camaro SS *option* in SS > OR >Also look at the WS6 option Firbird/Trans-AM in SS >Then the non-WS6 option back in F-stock.. > >So to me the ZO6 preformance option should cause it to be classed as a >separate car. > Even though it will likley be classed into SS anyway, it is still a >different car. > >It doesn't matter to me, Us RX-7 guys will still have fun killing them in >our 5-7 year old jap cars with 78% less displacement... > >Take it easy, >Chuck McMillion From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 17:22:01 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Midwest NRG" , Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:13:54 -0500 Subject: Priceline.com gas prices Howdy all!! Y'all should go check out http://www.priceline.com for discount online prepaid gasoline. I put in an offer of $1.13/gallon for 50 gallons of Amoco Premium (92 octane here in KC) gasoline. It got accepted at the 75th & Metcalf station!!! WOOHOO!!! That's $56.50 for 50 gallons of premium gas. It works like this. You make an offer for either "regular", "mid grade" or "premium" gas at whatever price you want to pay for it. They suggest 4 different prices. I picked the lowest suggested price but you can put in your own bid of an even lower amount. You pick at least 3 area gas stations (sorry Eric P, it's not available on the Missouri side of the line but it is available in Kansas). I picked all Amoco stations (they offer Texaco, Citgo, Conoco, etc) and premium gas since that's the only grade of gas I've ever put into my Neon. You give them your credit card or debit card # and they then go "ask" the gas stations that you listed as your preferred pumping stations if they'll accept your offer. Either they will or they won't. If they do not you simply rebid at a slightly higher price and pray for the best. I'm guessing that purchasing in higher quantities will get you a better chance of having your bid accepted. You can choose to buy in increments of 10 gallons with up to a 50 gallon max at each purchase. You can repurchase gas online every 14 days but may never have more than 100 gallons prepaid on your account at any one time. You do not have to pump all 50 gallons (or whatever amount you purchased) all at once. You have 90 days to pump it all or you forfeit anything left at the end of the 90 days. Each time you again purchase gas your 90 day period starts over again. When you get the end of your 50 (or whatever) gallons of gas you may pump "over" your limit up to 5 gallons and still pay your bid price. If you pump over 5 "extra" gallons you get charged market rate plus a $1.50 charge. You cannot purchase food, smokes, oil, etc or you'll get charged market rates for those items and pay another $1.50 fee. You must only pump your bid-upon grade of gasoline or you pay a $1.50 penalty. Are you starting to see a pattern here? Once they accept your first offer they send you a blue Priceline gas card that you activate online, you simply "pay at the pump" with the Priceline gas card and enter your ID# that they send you via e-mail. Ignore the price on the receipt as you've already prepaid for the gas at your bid price. Just save your receipts and match them against your online account. PLEASE read the "terms and conditions" very carefully though. After your initial 90 day period they charge you a $3 fee in any month that you make a purchase, but only once per month. By purchasing 50 gallons at once I basically saved $17.50 over the current KC pump prices by using Priceline.com. That's a couple of pizzas folks!!! So go check it out and for cryin' out loud, bid low at first. You never know. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "I ask sir, who is the militia? It is the whole people... To disarm the people, that is the best and most effective way to enslave them..." - George Mason From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 17:33:52 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: TeamZ3@aol.com, leepic@smart.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:32:37 PDT Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? >What's not to understand? The rules seems very specific to me: > >It's not a current model year vehicle and it hasn't been specifically >classed by the SEB; only the 2000 and newer C5's are classified, and the >Z06 is not a 2000 model year option. > >M Sipe That's "2000 and OLDER". Another way to say it is that a 2001 base model C5 wouldn't be eligible either. KeS ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 17:41:53 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: witt@mediaone.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:39:31 PDT Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? Note that none of this has anything to do with it being legal at Nationals this year. It rolled off the line as a 2001 model, it's not legal (by default) at the 2000 Nationals, period. Neither is a 2001 Miata, Neon, or AM Phantom. ;) KeS >From: Karl Witt >Reply-To: Karl Witt >To: autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:35:05 -0400 > >The difference between the two cars you've mentioned and the Z06 is that >the SS and WS6 are considered "tuner" cars by the SEB. The Z06 comes >directly off the corvette production line. > >Re: Rx7s and the Z06....don't get me wrong, i love the 3rd gen RX7, but i >think it's met it's match. This isn't your father's C5...er...wait...that >oldsmobile =) > >karl > >At 05:59 PM 8/9/2000 -0500, Chuck McMillion did say: > >what about the newest Camaro? (96+) > > You have the normal 5.7 litre in F-stock > >then you have the Camaro SS *option* in SS > > OR > >Also look at the WS6 option Firbird/Trans-AM in SS > >Then the non-WS6 option back in F-stock.. > > > >So to me the ZO6 preformance option should cause it to be classed as a > >separate car. > > Even though it will likley be classed into SS anyway, it is >still a > >different car. > > > >It doesn't matter to me, Us RX-7 guys will still have fun killing them in > >our 5-7 year old jap cars with 78% less displacement... > > > >Take it easy, > >Chuck McMillion > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 17:44:16 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:44:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Priceline.com gas prices Maybe you can use the $17.50 to buy more underwear to get that gun/underwear ratio back in line :) Seriously, that sounds like a good idea. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Midwest NRG" ; "autocross list" ; "Wichita Region Email List" Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 6:13 PM Subject: Priceline.com gas prices > Howdy all!! > > Y'all should go check out http://www.priceline.com for discount online > prepaid gasoline. > > I put in an offer of $1.13/gallon for 50 gallons of Amoco Premium (92 octane > here in KC) gasoline. It got accepted at the 75th & Metcalf station!!! > WOOHOO!!! That's $56.50 for 50 gallons of premium gas. > > It works like this. You make an offer for either "regular", "mid grade" or > "premium" gas at whatever price you want to pay for it. They suggest 4 > different prices. I picked the lowest suggested price but you can put in > your own bid of an even lower amount. You pick at least 3 area gas stations > (sorry Eric P, it's not available on the Missouri side of the line but it is > available in Kansas). I picked all Amoco stations (they offer Texaco, > Citgo, Conoco, etc) and premium gas since that's the only grade of gas I've > ever put into my Neon. > > You give them your credit card or debit card # and they then go "ask" the > gas stations that you listed as your preferred pumping stations if they'll > accept your offer. Either they will or they won't. If they do not you > simply rebid at a slightly higher price and pray for the best. I'm guessing > that purchasing in higher quantities will get you a better chance of having > your bid accepted. > > You can choose to buy in increments of 10 gallons with up to a 50 gallon max > at each purchase. You can repurchase gas online every 14 days but may never > have more than 100 gallons prepaid on your account at any one time. > > You do not have to pump all 50 gallons (or whatever amount you purchased) > all at once. You have 90 days to pump it all or you forfeit anything left > at the end of the 90 days. Each time you again purchase gas your 90 day > period starts over again. > > When you get the end of your 50 (or whatever) gallons of gas you may pump > "over" your limit up to 5 gallons and still pay your bid price. If you pump > over 5 "extra" gallons you get charged market rate plus a $1.50 charge. You > cannot purchase food, smokes, oil, etc or you'll get charged market rates > for those items and pay another $1.50 fee. You must only pump your bid-upon > grade of gasoline or you pay a $1.50 penalty. Are you starting to see a > pattern here? > > Once they accept your first offer they send you a blue Priceline gas card > that you activate online, you simply "pay at the pump" with the Priceline > gas card and enter your ID# that they send you via e-mail. Ignore the price > on the receipt as you've already prepaid for the gas at your bid price. > Just save your receipts and match them against your online account. > > PLEASE read the "terms and conditions" very carefully though. After your > initial 90 day period they charge you a $3 fee in any month that you make a > purchase, but only once per month. > > By purchasing 50 gallons at once I basically saved $17.50 over the current > KC pump prices by using Priceline.com. That's a couple of pizzas folks!!! > > So go check it out and for cryin' out loud, bid low at first. You never > know. > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > #69DS TLS #13 > '98 Neon R/T > > > "I ask sir, who is the militia? It is the whole people... > To disarm the people, that is the best and most > effective way to enslave them..." - George Mason > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 17:48:44 2000 From: HBrundrett@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:46:17 EDT Subject: AutoX To all in the New England area, we are having an event this Sunday at parking lot "M" of the New Hampshire International Speedway. Registration goes from 8 to 9:30AM. Street mufflers only per request of the Track. Any questions get back to me. Gary Brundrett HBrundrett@aol.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 17:56:55 2000 From: "Paul Zahornasky" To: , Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:55:10 -0400 Subject: RE: AutoX Who is hosting this event? -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of HBrundrett@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:46 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: AutoX To all in the New England area, we are having an event this Sunday at parking lot "M" of the New Hampshire International Speedway. Registration goes from 8 to 9:30AM. Street mufflers only per request of the Track. Any questions get back to me. Gary Brundrett HBrundrett@aol.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 17:58:30 2000 From: "Brad Holliday" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:56:33 GMT Subject: ESP Entries Down at Nationals >not to mention the inherent fear of a certain torquless >wonder German >family sedan that has a lot of entries >scared, regardless if it keeps >getting proven time and >again that a well prepped F car can compete in the > >national arena. Out of curiosity, I compared Bob Tunnel's time from this weekend (South course at Forbes) with Mark Madarash's time on the South course last year. Mark Madarash - 60.090 Bob Tunnel - 60.201 The course was wet during Bob's heat on Sunday, but seemed to be completely dry (except for a puddle at the starting line) by the end of the heat. Bob's fastest run was his last. I think the race in ESP it's going to be fun to watch :-) AS, on the other hand... Well, let's just say I didn't run anywhere close to a 60.7 this weekend! (time needed to catch Bob with PAX) Brad Holliday 61 AS ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 18:21:14 2000 From: "Chuck McMillion" To: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:21:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? so is the WS6 and SS they come off the line that way. The three digit codes like: WS6 9C1 Zo6 these are all line option codes on the SPID label. it is an option... From the factory... go to Bowling Green you can see them come off the line. Likewise if you drive to Canada the SS and WS6 come off the line that way too... Are you mixing up the SLP Firehawk prepared by SLP? If the Zo6 is the RX-7's match, the RX-evolv will hit the streets in 2002. In time for the following season : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Witt" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 6:35 PM Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? > The difference between the two cars you've mentioned and the Z06 is that > the SS and WS6 are considered "tuner" cars by the SEB. The Z06 comes > directly off the corvette production line. > > Re: Rx7s and the Z06....don't get me wrong, i love the 3rd gen RX7, but i > think it's met it's match. This isn't your father's C5...er...wait...that > oldsmobile =) > > karl > > At 05:59 PM 8/9/2000 -0500, Chuck McMillion did say: > >what about the newest Camaro? (96+) > > You have the normal 5.7 litre in F-stock > >then you have the Camaro SS *option* in SS > > OR > >Also look at the WS6 option Firbird/Trans-AM in SS > >Then the non-WS6 option back in F-stock.. > > > >So to me the ZO6 preformance option should cause it to be classed as a > >separate car. > > Even though it will likley be classed into SS anyway, it is still a > >different car. > > > >It doesn't matter to me, Us RX-7 guys will still have fun killing them in > >our 5-7 year old jap cars with 78% less displacement... > > > >Take it easy, > >Chuck McMillion > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 18:35:43 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 20:34:12 EDT Subject: NEW KOTZIAN-COULTER into the world!!! I am thrilled to report that Tristan Kotzian-Coutlter and her husband JJ Coulter welcomed a new baby boy into the world today...His name is Karson Jay Coulter. You can e-mail any congrats to jj21jj@aol.com And congrats to Grandpa Tom!!! Jean Kinser From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 18:41:24 2000 From: Karl Witt To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:58:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? At 07:21 PM 8/9/2000 -0500, Chuck McMillion did say: >so is the WS6 and SS they come off the line that way. >The three digit codes like: >WS6 >9C1 >Zo6 >these are all line option codes on the SPID label. >it is an option... From the factory... go to Bowling Green you can see them >come off the line. >Likewise if you drive to Canada the SS and WS6 come off the line that way >too... > >Are you mixing up the SLP Firehawk prepared by SLP? > >If the Zo6 is the RX-7's match, the RX-evolv will hit the streets in 2002. >In time for the following season : ) Nope...no confusion. Until 99 the SSs came off the line as plain jane Z28s and went to SLP to become SSs. as of 99, yes the SS comes off the Ste. Therese line in base form, but still goes to SLP for modifications. The WS6 has never rolled out of the GM plant. Up til 99 it went to SLP to become a WS6 and 99 and after went to ASC to become the WS6. The Firehawk of course has always come out of SLP's shop. Aside from all these details you missed a key phrase in my last post. I said "are considered "tuner" cars by the SEB. personally, i'm one of the folks that think they should be allowed in FS just like the non "R" cobras are, but let's not start that holy war again ;) i've been told off list that the Z06 may not be all some of us think it is from it's specs. and this was from a person who i personally respect as someone who "would know" so i'll hold off on anymore Z06 comments :) karl From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 19:12:33 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net, solo2atlanta@topica.com, BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:11:07 EDT Subject: SEDiv Solo2 event, last notes Everything is on track for this weekend's BFGoodrich Team T/A SCCA SEDiv Solo2 Series event in Ozark, Alabama. We may even get a reprieve from the heat as a small front is moving through the area and the current weather forecast is partly cloudy with highs of *only* 89 and lows of 73 and no rain. Just the same, be sure to bring all the shade, fluids, and sunscreen you can possibly carry. This is still peak summer time in Alabama. We currently have 149 pre-registered entrants! Registration for the event will close Thursday at Noon. For links to event info and to register online please point your web browser to the SEDiv Solo2 website located at: http://www.eec.com/sediv Please note that this is an active military site during the week. A flaming bush has informed me that thou shall not access the site until before 6:00 pm on Friday. Please do not enter the site before this time unless you absolutely insist on being disqualified. We will extend the course walking period Saturday morning to compensate for the limited access Friday evening. The consumption of alcohol, drugs, or other illegal substances is not allowed on site at any time! Trash clean-up is mandatory to prevent damaging expensive turbine helicopter engines, which could lead to a crash and possibe loss of life! Regulations prevent us from lining the course as the markings may confuse or distract incoming pilots following the event. We realize that this puts the less experienced competitors at a disadvantage, but there's nothing we can do about except to say that it will build character :-). New for this year, a PAX-based Rookie program is in place for first year divisional competitors compliments of our website provider; Edwards & Edwards Consulting. Info is available at the website. Everybody knows you can't drive at your peak performance on an empty stomach, so lunch will be served on-site both days, compliments of Jean Kinser's Evolution Performance Driving School. Saturday we'll have Subway sandwiches; ham, turkey, and cold cuts. Sunday we'll have Domino's pizza. With the expected large attendance, parking presents some issues, which have been addressed by designating a special area for Event officials, Wiregrass Region officials, car trailer, and tow dolly towing rigs only. A site map will be handed out at the entrance gate showing the allowed parking areas. Unfortunately, this leaves the other open parking area some distance away from the course/grid/impound area, so if you own a bicycle or scooter you may want to bring it along to minimize the walk. Speaking of walking, the course run times are expected to be in the low-mid 50 second range for the fastest vehicles, so you'll get plenty of exercise just hoofing the course. The majority of the course runs on brushed concrete, but there are two areas where you'll spend 3 or 4 seconds transversing some asphalt at a pretty good clip. The concrete surface is known for being abrasive and the asphalt surface is known for being slippery. However, the course has been designed to minimize these effects, but still be both challenging and fun. We should be able to have 3 cars on course at a time to keep the event moving along. That's about it. We look forward to seeing you all there, Mark Sipe SEDiv Solo2 Steward, Event Chair, Course Designer, Event Gopher - in other words, if you don't like anything, blame me. :-) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 19:34:37 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Team.net'" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:43:13 -0700 Subject: help in San Diego? Is there any really nice team.netr in the San Diego area I could call upon for a favor? There is a car for sale at a dealer in San Diego that I am interested in. However before I make the drive from Phoenix this weekend I was wanted to see if I could get someone to do a basic once over on the car. Nothing big just make sure it is not a flood damaged burned out wreck. :) I could buy you many drinks and dinner on my next trip over in return. If you are interested shoot me a message and I can get you details. If you know anything about TT RX7s that would be an added bonus but I am not picky. As long as you have one good eye and common sense you would qualify for this task. Thanks Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 19:42:27 2000 From: Eric Moon To: Mark Sirota , phax@onelist.com, Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:05:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [phax] Who's going to Nationals? At 02:59 PM 8/9/00 -0400, you wrote: >Okay, now that Divisionals is past, it's time to be thinking about >Nationals. Who's going? > Add me to the list... I'm a glutton for punishment :-) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 19:51:57 2000 From: John Lieberman To: Eric Moon Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:54:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [phax] Who's going to Nationals? I'll be there - M-F! John (Old Fartz & TLS #37) Lieberman Eric Moon wrote: > > At 02:59 PM 8/9/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Okay, now that Divisionals is past, it's time to be thinking about > >Nationals. Who's going? > > > > Add me to the list... > I'm a glutton for punishment :-) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 20:43:02 2000 From: PbPied@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:41:41 EDT Subject: DTN + JDK = Uh-oh! Oh man! JD driving a car from the "Boot Peninsula" instead of from the "Isles"???? This I GOTTA see! Think you're gonna get him to stand under that flag? Alan Sheidler Karl Rickert wrote: >If the CP drivers need a designated driver for the week, just look me up! >I'll shouldn't be to hard to find. How many white '74 Alfa Spiders are gonna >show up and run in C-Stock anyway?! Look for the Italian flag in the pits. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 20:58:13 2000 From: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com To: Lee Piccione Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:53:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? It is my understanding that the Z06 is a MODEL, not an option. Just like the ZR-1 was. AB Lee Piccione on 08/09/2000 06:39:17 PM Please respond to Lee Piccione To: Kevin Stevens cc: SVPViper@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? Why would a C5 w/ a Z06 option not be eligble? The 'Z06' is a OPTION, not a NEW CAR. The CAR that the Z06 OPTION is available on has been produced since 1997, and has already been classed in SS..... Lee (former C5 driver) Kevin Stevens wrote: > Here it is: > > 3.1 Cars designated as being of a model year later than the current year > are not eligible to compete in Divisional, Tour, or Solo II National > Championships, unless they have been specifically classed by the SEB. > > So I guess a request for classification could be made, but I strongly doubt > (and hope) that it wouldn't be granted. > > KeS > > >From: SVPViper@aol.com > >Reply-To: SVPViper@aol.com > >To: > >Subject: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? > >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:27:11 EDT > > > >Where would the Z06 Corvette be classed at National's? They are already > >hitting the streets, and I was wondering if they would fall under the > >non-classed car rule and go to SS? > > Thanks, > > Dave Schotz > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 21:03:15 2000 From: "Su Brude" To: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:10:01 -0500 Subject: For Sale: '93 RX-7 TT Finally, it is official my RX-7 is for sale. It is a 93 with around 21,000 miles on it. (Only driven on Sundays if you get my drift). It has been hauled in an enclosed trailer to and from most events and only driven limitedly on the street. (I prefer my Corvette on the street). It has never set outside, it has always either been garaged or in the trailer. It is a touring package that has had almost all the work to convert it to an R package completed. If you are looking for a road car, this would be great, the best of both worlds. With the touring package you get a sunroof and a great stereo system. I have all of the original parts that have been taken off of it, those all go with the car plus some tires and wheels. Here is a complete (semi, as best as I can remember at this time) list of all of the extras that are on the car. Struts - GAB Super 8 way adjustable R1 Stock Strut Tower Brace TRI-POINT Modular Front Anti-Sway Bar R1 Stock Front & Rear Spoilers 3" Stainless Steel Straight Cat Back Exhaust K&N Filter Auto Gauge Boost Gauge Schroth Driver's Side 4 Point Harness BBS Rims - Extra 1 set Kumhos 60% used 1 set Kumhos 50% used 1 set Hoosiers new (~ 2 years old) Please contact me if you are interested or want more information, a Nationals delivery could be arranged. BTW: you could almost assume this, but yes it is Red! Su Brude Texas Region sbrude@email.msn.com Formally #93 SS - '93 "Arrest Me Red" RX-7 For Nationals #62 BSPL - '00 Corvette Hardtop Hopefully soon #93 BSP - '01 "Arrest Me Even Faster Red" Z06 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 21:33:51 2000 From: SVPViper@aol.com To: Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:32:23 EDT Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? Thanks for the responses. So the technical answer at this time is NO! That is what I was looking for. I will let everyone else battle where the car belongs. I think we all agree it belongs in SS... if you look at the cars in the class... it belongs. If it is faster, the class should progress... just like GS, and AS have. Z06 is GM only, WS6, and SS leave "Reasonable Doubt" in the SEB's mind that they are "tuner specific" While the real answer is the SS is still SLP... but the '98 '99 and '00 WS6's are GM... they goto ASC for a hood & An airbox! There are no other "Tuner" options like the SS and Firehawk... but the SEB or SCAC is afraid to separate the cars! Some decision! Dave Schotz In a message dated Wed, 9 Aug 2000 8:43:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Karl Witt writes: << At 07:21 PM 8/9/2000 -0500, Chuck McMillion did say: >so is the WS6 and SS they come off the line that way. >The three digit codes like: >WS6 >9C1 >Zo6 >these are all line option codes on the SPID label. >it is an option... From the factory... go to Bowling Green you can see them >come off the line. >Likewise if you drive to Canada the SS and WS6 come off the line that way >too... > >Are you mixing up the SLP Firehawk prepared by SLP? > >If the Zo6 is the RX-7's match, the RX-evolv will hit the streets in 2002. >In time for the following season : ) Nope...no confusion. Until 99 the SSs came off the line as plain jane Z28s and went to SLP to become SSs. as of 99, yes the SS comes off the Ste. Therese line in base form, but still goes to SLP for modifications. The WS6 has never rolled out of the GM plant. Up til 99 it went to SLP to become a WS6 and 99 and after went to ASC to become the WS6. The Firehawk of course has always come out of SLP's shop. Aside from all these details you missed a key phrase in my last post. I said "are considered "tuner" cars by the SEB. personally, i'm one of the folks that think they should be allowed in FS just like the non "R" cobras are, but let's not start that holy war again ;) i've been told off list that the Z06 may not be all some of us think it is from it's specs. and this was from a person who i personally respect as someone who "would know" so i'll hold off on anymore Z06 comments :) karl >> From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 21:40:25 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net, solo2atlanta@topica.com, BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:37:07 EDT Subject: SEDiv - important message Look folks, I have people telling me they plan to be at this weekend's event site around 3 or 4 o'clock on Friday. How can I make it any more clear: DO NOT COME TO THE OZARK EVENT SITE BEFORE 6:00 PM ON FRIDAY!!!!!!! If you do you'll get booted from the event; disqualifed; sent packing...... and I mean it, so be sure your friends and associates are aware of this. So if you get there early, get situated at the hotel, check out the local scenery, do arm curls at Applebee's, anything else......, but if you come to the event site before 6 pm be prepared to face the wrath of mAs (yikes!). Mark Sipe SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 21:57:27 2000 From: "Steven N. Burkett" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:56:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Have room to share, nationals, Capitol plaza, 13-15 Like the subject says. I have double occupancy room at the Capitol Plaza for the nights of the 13, 14, 15. But there's only me to put in it. Prefer to split all three nights. The room, and I, are non-smoking, but what you do outside of it is your business. :-) Steven From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 22:07:17 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "autocross list" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:59:34 -0500 Subject: Huh?? Huh?? I just looked at the nationals entry list and there's only 8 DS'ers signed up. What's up with that? And when did the E30 M3 get put into GS from AS?? (TC Kline entered an '88 in GS for the 2000 Nats.) I thought that particular car/class change wasn't supposed to take place until 01-01-2001. What gives, did I miss something again?? Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "I ask sir, who is the militia? It is the whole people... To disarm the people, that is the best and most effective way to enslave them..." - George Mason From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 22:40:48 2000 From: Mike Shields To: TeamDotNet Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:39:20 -0600 Subject: RM Tour Run/Work order? So am I reading this right? We're supposed to work the run group before our own? Who thought up this? Why not Run Work 1 3 2 4 3 1 4 2 Gives you a break in between work and running. Or am I smoking something and didn't read the flyer right? Mike From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 23:36:04 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:41:44 -0400 Subject: national tire entries AKA the downfall of BFG (and everybody else taking the slack) I would never have believed it if you told me a few years ago Leafing through just the stock entries I did a quick count of tire brands And this is why we no longer have a BFG Talent show, and it was not that long ago (94?) that Yokohama was the title sponsor of the nats. Now we have Kumho and Hoosier being the hot dogs Keep in mind this is only a partial entry list for 2000 and these are only stock classed cars Entry# tire type 95 Hoosier 93 Kumho 25 BFG 3 Yokohama As opposed to 97 218 BFG 11 Hoosier 14 Kumho 6 Yokohama Or 98 61 Kumho 34 Hoosier 272 BFG 3 Yokohama Or 99 2 Yokohama 145 BFG 102 Hoosier 174 KUMHO Sum it up; Hoosier has seen the most growth since '97 (If they ever go public I'm buying their stock) Kumho is a tight second, these tires got faster ~99 Yokohama had already lost favor by 97 And BFG has shown a Swan dive into oblivion, Jeff From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 00:23:12 2000 From: Bill Sanford To: autox Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:21:47 -0700 Subject: AS is interesting Hello peoples, Well as noted below, AS should be interesting, but it appears a large miracle would have to happen to get the motor parts in and done. (NOS is hard to locate). So I don't think the pushover TVR will be there this year. The two So. Cal. S2000 drivers going to Nationals have both turned me down citing the same reason. I guess I should be flattered! :^) I dunno :^( , anyway I'm shopping for rides, Preferably in AS, But.. A few possibles are here, but no definate "yes's" yet. I think I should ask Ralph Elder how to do this,... and I do kick in Funds pay entrie, etc. I also guarantee not to beat you if you drive faster than me :^). Thanx-- Flames,Spams and Privates are welcome, I deserve most of what I get. Bill Sanford -------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:03:10 -0400 From: "Kent Rafferty" Subject: AS is getting interesting As if AS isn't enough of a dogfight, I noticed Jeff Altenburg will be driving a Boxter in AS at Nationals. Yellow no less - and we all know yellow is the fastest color..... AS will be entertaining to watch! Kent Rafferty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:22:20 -0400 From: "Matt Murray" Subject: The Tribal Council Vote, was: AS is getting interesting Kent: Unfortunately, you are too late. The A Stock Tribal Council (The Pahtooey Tribe) voted Jeff off the island on Monday. :^) Matt Murray When was A Stock *not* interesting to watch?? :^) ---------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:29:54 EDT From: Jkinser77@aol.com Subject: Re: AS is getting interesting And if this doesn't add more..Jeff's best friend Neal Sapp has been in the hunt for an S2000 or Boxter to co-drive in...you are right-this will be one of the best classes to watch!! Jean _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 00:45:48 2000 From: Derek Butts To: Autocross list , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:06:26 -0700 Subject: 1992 Toyota MR2 For Sale Well it's time to put the C-Stock MR2 up for sale. Delivery to nationals and a possible co-drive can be arranged. This car is completely sorted and setup to win. Everyone who drives this car goes fast right away... Here is the information 1992 Black/Black N/A MR2 88k miles Sunroof, Power Package, Cruise,tilt,CD, Power steering and A/C Keyless entry/Alarm Spoiler The following parts have been replaced in last 12 months: Timing Belt Water Pump Crankshaft Seal Alternator Battery Clutch Brakes Rotors Front Calipers Plugs Wires Cap and Rotor Motor mounts (while changing clutch) All parts are factory Toyota - no expense spared Autocross Mods: Custom ST front sway bar (modified) 93 End links Koni adjustabe shocks (6 months old) Custom Alignment K&N filter 2 custom cat-back exhausts Custom decals/graphics Leather shift knob 4 pt Schroth Harness Magnecor Plug Wires BGB Shop Manuals 3 sets factory alloys set of 15" steel wheels for street This car is in excellent condition and needs nothing to be raced. There is no better car to have in CS and it makes a great ProSolo competitor. Vehicle was originally from Alabama and is rust free. $9,500 firm Race tires after nationals will be negotiable. Car will be available September 15th. The only reason I am selling is that I found a hardtop turbo to play in AS next year. Oh yeah, and I bought a house in the Bay Area!!! Derek Butts CS MR2 AS MR2 GS IS300 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 04:43:40 2000 From: "Jim Howard" To: "autox" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 06:48:15 -0400 Subject: Z06 - Can I Play? OK. I just picked up a 2001 Z06 this past weekend. I have been planning on going to Nationals, but now this talk about it not being "legal" surfaces. I'm not worried too much about classification right now, but I'd still like to participate in my first Nationals event. Can I at least participate, even though I may not be eligible? I'd hate to miss out on my first Nationals because of this. This is the first year that I've been able to make plans to go and I've been looking forward to it all year. I had no idea that new cars weren't permitted at Nationals. Looks like I jumped the gun. By the way, this car is not a new model. Since 1999 there have been three models of Corvettes: a coupe, a convertible and a hardtop. So, the hardtop model has been produced for two years. Admittedly, there weren't many buyers for the hardtop. Why give up all that space without an increase in performance? Now, the Z06 is a regular production option (RPO) that is only available on the hardtop. Lastly, GM has decided that all hardtops will include the ZO6 option. See ya! Jim Howard howardje@erols.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 05:50:45 2000 From: "Walt Roddy" To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 06:40:02 -0500 Subject: Solo2 rules question I will be going to my first Solo 2 event in about three weeks in Jackson, Mississippi. I have a basically stock 1997 Miata. I found out where I can order the SCCA rules book, however, they say it will be 4-6 weeks to deliver. So, unless someone can point me to where I might get a current copy sooner, I have a question about tires and rims that I hope some one on the list can answer before the event. Is it legal to run in the stock class with 14 x 5 1/2JJ rims (the original rims were 14 x 6JJ) and are Yokohama A008 RS2 tires legal (205/55/14)? Thanks in advance! I can't wait for my first event! Walt Roddy From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 06:24:37 2000 From: "Eric Buckley" To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:30:04 -0500 Subject: RE: Solo2 rules question Walt Roddy wrote: > I will be going to my first Solo 2 event in about three weeks in > Jackson, Mississippi. Welcome! > I have a basically stock 1997 Miata. A car very well suited to our flavor of the sport. > I found > out where I can order the SCCA rules book, however, they say it will > be 4-6 weeks to deliver. So, unless someone can point me to where I > might get a current copy sooner, I have a question about tires and > rims that I hope some one on the list can answer before the event. That is, in fact, the purpose of this list (although that purpose is not always clear :) > Is it legal to run in the stock class with 14 x 5 1/2JJ rims (the > original rims were 14 x 6JJ) Technically, no, unless there is another Miata option package that uses the 5 1/2" rim. However, nobody is going to protest you for running rims *narrower* than spec, especially since you are new. Bottom line: don't worry about it. > and are Yokohama A008 RS2 tires legal (205/55/14)? Any street legal tire is legal for stock as long as it doesn't stick out past the bodywork. > > Thanks in advance! > I can't wait for my first event! Again, great to have you. Eric Buckley 7STR: 98 Integra GSR St Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 06:24:00 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: PbPied@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:22:55 GMT Subject: Re: DTN + JDK = Uh-oh! I can see it now....a picture of JD standing in front of the little Alfa that could with the Italian flag behind him... on the cover of NAP! Sounds like NAP could sell a few issues with that contraversial photo! >From: PbPied@aol.com >Oh man! JD driving a car from the "Boot Peninsula" instead >of from the "Isles"???? This I GOTTA see! Think you're gonna >get him to stand under that flag? > >Alan Sheidler > > >Karl Rickert wrote: > > >If the CP drivers need a designated driver for the week, just look me up! > >I'll shouldn't be to hard to find. How many white '74 Alfa Spiders are >gonna > >show up and run in C-Stock anyway?! Look for the Italian flag in the >pits. > Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Karl Rickert Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 06:38:30 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Walt Roddy" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:41:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Solo2 rules question >Is it legal to run in the stock class with 14 x 5 1/2JJ rims (the >original rims were 14 x 6JJ) 1) No. 2) Nobody will care if you run rims that are too narrow. Go ahead and enjoy the event. >and are Yokohama A008 RS2 tires legal >(205/55/14)? Yes. Wish I had been able to get a set last time I needed tires for the Lotus. Only found two tires in the USA. :-( Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 07:07:04 2000 From: Tim Aro To: ax-digest@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:06:49 -0400 Subject: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs Several of you were curious at NEDivs last weekend (not that it's any help now...sorry) so,...after some "calculations", 3rd limits-out at an indicated 73 mph. Tim From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 07:30:19 2000 From: jon e prevo To: bradholliday@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:25:52 -0500 Subject: Re: ESP Entries Down at Nationals On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:56:33 GMT "Brad Holliday" writes: > Mark Madarash - 60.090 > Bob Tunnel - 60.201 Friends of Mark and people who see him run on a weekly basis are noting that he seems faster this year than last. Also quite a bit smoother. BTW in reference to a previous discussion, Mark's Firebird is a trailer queen. Jon FP 73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 07:33:10 2000 From: "Michael Bullis" To: "autox" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:35:53 -0700 Subject: RE: Z06 - Can I Play? i sure hope they find a place for you to run - this will be my first nats as well and have been wanting to go now for almost 3 years. personally i would not care if it went into SS as it seems it's going to end up there anyway. but let's say (just to play devil's advocate) the seb allowed the car to compete SS/2000 and you flat out KILL SS. i suspect more than a few people would be a tad upset that the car did not get a fair evaluation with a season of racing. good luck mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jim Howard Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 3:48 AM To: autox Subject: Z06 - Can I Play? OK. I just picked up a 2001 Z06 this past weekend. I have been planning on going to Nationals, but now this talk about it not being "legal" surfaces. I'm not worried too much about classification right now, but I'd still like to participate in my first Nationals event. Can I at least participate, even though I may not be eligible? I'd hate to miss out on my first Nationals because of this. This is the first year that I've been able to make plans to go and I've been looking forward to it all year. I had no idea that new cars weren't permitted at Nationals. Looks like I jumped the gun. By the way, this car is not a new model. Since 1999 there have been three models of Corvettes: a coupe, a convertible and a hardtop. So, the hardtop model has been produced for two years. Admittedly, there weren't many buyers for the hardtop. Why give up all that space without an increase in performance? Now, the Z06 is a regular production option (RPO) that is only available on the hardtop. Lastly, GM has decided that all hardtops will include the ZO6 option. See ya! Jim Howard howardje@erols.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 07:49:02 2000 From: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com To: "Michael Bullis" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 06:44:43 -0700 Subject: RE: Z06 - Can I Play? I agree with both of you. BSP is always open if you want to compete and soak up the atmosphere. These cars are trickling into delaerships. To allow this car to compete would be a diservice to SS. Why? Because some people can't get there hands on one yet. Even though it will end up in SS, the availablity of the car right now is very tight. The SS might let you run WITH SS in a provisional manner (aka Stu Rulka) even though the car isn't legal yet. You won't be listed in the official results but who cares, right? AB "Michael Bullis" on 08/10/2000 11:35:53 AM Please respond to "Michael Bullis" To: "autox" cc: (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) Subject: RE: Z06 - Can I Play? i sure hope they find a place for you to run - this will be my first nats as well and have been wanting to go now for almost 3 years. personally i would not care if it went into SS as it seems it's going to end up there anyway. but let's say (just to play devil's advocate) the seb allowed the car to compete SS/2000 and you flat out KILL SS. i suspect more than a few people would be a tad upset that the car did not get a fair evaluation with a season of racing. good luck mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jim Howard Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 3:48 AM To: autox Subject: Z06 - Can I Play? OK. I just picked up a 2001 Z06 this past weekend. I have been planning on going to Nationals, but now this talk about it not being "legal" surfaces. I'm not worried too much about classification right now, but I'd still like to participate in my first Nationals event. Can I at least participate, even though I may not be eligible? I'd hate to miss out on my first Nationals because of this. This is the first year that I've been able to make plans to go and I've been looking forward to it all year. I had no idea that new cars weren't permitted at Nationals. Looks like I jumped the gun. By the way, this car is not a new model. Since 1999 there have been three models of Corvettes: a coupe, a convertible and a hardtop. So, the hardtop model has been produced for two years. Admittedly, there weren't many buyers for the hardtop. Why give up all that space without an increase in performance? Now, the Z06 is a regular production option (RPO) that is only available on the hardtop. Lastly, GM has decided that all hardtops will include the ZO6 option. See ya! Jim Howard howardje@erols.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 08:02:25 2000 From: Scot Zediker To: "Walt Roddy" , autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Solo2 rules question Technically, the wheels wouldn't be legal. But since you're a first-timer I doubt anyone would protest you over it. The tires should be okay. Scot '91 CS Miata - 5.5" wide wheels stock :( ------Original Message------ From: "Walt Roddy" To: autox@autox.team.net Sent: August 10, 2000 11:40:02 AM GMT Subject: Solo2 rules question I will be going to my first Solo 2 event in about three weeks in Jackson, Mississippi. I have a basically stock 1997 Miata. I found out where I can order the SCCA rules book, however, they say it will be 4-6 weeks to deliver. So, unless someone can point me to where I might get a current copy sooner, I have a question about tires and rims that I hope some one on the list can answer before the event. Is it legal to run in the stock class with 14 x 5 1/2JJ rims (the original rims were 14 x 6JJ) and are Yokohama A008 RS2 tires legal (205/55/14)? Thanks in advance! I can't wait for my first event! Walt Roddy From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 08:06:39 2000 From: Scot Zediker To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs By any chance is your Miata a 10AE? My '91 hits the rev limiter at an indicated 85mph in 3rd (did this on a freeway onramp, not an autox :) Sorry for the dumb question. Scot '91 CS Miata ------Original Message------ From: Tim Aro To: ax-digest@autox.team.net Sent: August 10, 2000 1:06:49 PM GMT Subject: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs Several of you were curious at NEDivs last weekend (not that it's any help now...sorry) so,...after some "calculations", 3rd limits-out at an indicated 73 mph. Tim From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 09:18:18 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: roadsterboy@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:14:35 -0400 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs Yes, Tim has a 10AE. One other thing to remember--unless your autox tires are the same size as your street tires, the obtained speed will be off. For instance, coming back at Peru, after a big lift/starting to break, Eric looked down at the finish "straight" to see the speedo dropping back through 70. Flying, right? Well, someone had radar, and Roger Johnson in his vette was "only" going 70 something. And the Vette certainly, certainly, certainly was faster on that course than the 130 hp MR2. On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Scot Zediker writes: > By any chance is your Miata a 10AE? My '91 hits the rev limiter at > an indicated 85mph in 3rd (did this on a freeway onramp, not an > autox :) mlc '91 MR2 NA -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 09:21:51 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: roadsterboy@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:14:35 -0400 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs Yes, Tim has a 10AE. One other thing to remember--unless your autox tires are the same size as your street tires, the obtained speed will be off. For instance, coming back at Peru, after a big lift/starting to break, Eric looked down at the finish "straight" to see the speedo dropping back through 70. Flying, right? Well, someone had radar, and Roger Johnson in his vette was "only" going 70 something. And the Vette certainly, certainly, certainly was faster on that course than the 130 hp MR2. On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Scot Zediker writes: > By any chance is your Miata a 10AE? My '91 hits the rev limiter at > an indicated 85mph in 3rd (did this on a freeway onramp, not an > autox :) mlc '91 MR2 NA -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 09:28:46 2000 From: jon e prevo To: mrndr2@juno.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:22:06 -0500 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:14:35 -0400 Mari L Clements writes: > Yes, Tim has a 10AE. > > One other thing to remember--unless your autox tires are the same > size as > your street tires, the obtained speed will be off. Absolutely! On our tour of the Texas Motor Speedway during the Fort Worth Tour, I was mightily impressed that the pace car allowed us to reach speeds of 115-120 mph, later to exchange stories with some guys in a stock Vette who said their speedo never got over 90 :-( Jon FP 73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 10:38:28 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:37:36 -0500 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs Uhhhh - I had a radar gun, but I believe that Alan Sheidler was operating it during the S/S competition at the Peru Tour. I don't recall that I was over 70, altho' Dvorak was I think. Perhaps Alan might recall? In any case, the Peru event was enough in excess of Rules 1.3 and 2.1.A to be a concern. It sounds like other events are also? (But we must discount competitor reports of calculated or observed speeds, as they are often exaggerated. An F/M driver at the BFG Event in Oscoda last year reported 100+ mph at the finish line. Radar gun had him at 63. . . . . . .) Speed creep at events led to the current wording in the rulebook. Is it happening again? Roger Johnson (Ohio) MR>Yes, Tim has a 10AE. MR>One other thing to remember--unless your autox tires are the same size as MR>your street tires, the obtained speed will be off. For instance, coming MR>back at Peru, after a big lift/starting to break, Eric looked down at the MR>finish "straight" to see the speedo dropping back through 70. Flying, MR>right? Well, someone had radar, and Roger Johnson in his vette was MR>"only" going 70 something. And the Vette certainly, certainly, certainly MR>was faster on that course than the 130 hp MR2. MR>On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Scot Zediker MR> writes: MR>> By any chance is your Miata a 10AE? My '91 hits the rev limiter at MR>> an indicated 85mph in 3rd (did this on a freeway onramp, not an MR>> autox :) MR>mlc MR>'91 MR2 NA MR>-----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree MR>with---- MR>________________________________________________________________ MR>http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 11:08:45 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:08:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Z06 - Can I Play? And no dog in this fight (sort of, I did hear that Vette design engineers supposedly used the 968 as a design cue). Just got off the phone with Kerbeck in NJ. They have 'em coming in. White w/red int @ the end of the month, Black and black early Sept. Silver a little later. Matt Murray Former Y2K DTN admin There is now a direct link to Karl Rickert via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net 27 Old Mill Road Westport, CT 06880-6622 mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- From: > . . .Because some people can't get there hands on one > yet. Even though it will end up in SS, the availablity of the car right now is > very tight. > AB From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 11:16:16 2000 From: "Williams" To: "Bruce Haden" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:08:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals entries What a world it would be if every dirt oval in the nation had a 'Neon' class. Bryan Williams Beer Money Racing EP 16 Mustang -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Haden To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 3:22 PM Subject: RE: Nationals entries >HEY!!! I represent that remark!!!! 8-) >***EP Pinto*** > >Racing a Pinto? There's just something really wrong about that. ;^) > >Eric Linnhoff in KC >1998 Dodge Neon R/T >#69 DS #13 TLS >eric10mm@qni.com > >"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to >prayer" >Mark Twain > >------Original Message------------------------------ >That is, unless a certain wooly Pinto driver who has been seen driving SM >wants to step up to the plate. I'll even let you keep your number, Mr >Gretzky.... :) > >DG > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 11:30:11 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: rjohnson@friendlynet.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:29:33 -0400 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: > In any case, the Peru event was enough in excess of Rules > 1.3 and 2.1.A to be a concern. It sounds like other events are > also? (But we must discount competitor reports of calculated or > observed > speeds, as they are often exaggerated. An F/M driver at the > BFG Event in Oscoda last year reported 100+ mph at the finish line. > Radar gun had him at 63. . . . . . .) Ask a mod car driver in a car with gears, and in a class that allows open gearing. I can usually tell you how fast I was going within 5 mph or so, without even looking at the Geez! data. At NEDiv's, on Saturday in the dry, we were in the upper 70's entering the fast slalom on the way back. On Sunday, it may have been a little faster, except that for us it was quite wet so we were still in the 70's entering the turnaround. That's in a CM Formula Ford. The Devens NT was similarly fast, mid to upper 70's top speed on both courses. I think both events were pushing the envelope in terms of the rulebook and in terms of fairness, but weren't out of hand. I'm sure there's someone who can offer similar authoritative data for Peru. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 11:34:32 2000 From: "Tony Ford" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:36:27 -0400 Subject: New Miata So what is the consensus of the new Miata with more horsepower, 16" wheels, and additional chassis bracing? It discourages me to have my car become obsolete after owning it for a year and a half. Heck, I haven't even learned how to really drive it well yet. A road racer once told me if I was going to race that I should buy a proper race car and forget running a stock class car and all the expense it entails making it raceworthy. I'm inclined to believe him now. Is it any easier to run in a more rules-stable prepared or modified class? Or does it just appear so to me? And monetarily, would I have been better off to have gotten a decent dedicated race car (FM or CM?)? Although I'm not so sure that would be a good place to start out. But then again, I'd have been slow as heck in anything starting out. I really enjoy autocross and developing my skills as a driver, but I'd like a shot at winning something someday without breaking the bank. Any thoughts out there? Anthony C. Ford Mechanical Engineer Mazak Corporation (859) 342-1382 FAX 342-1537 B-Stock Cendiv #25 '99 R-model From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 11:53:44 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: Tony Ford Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:37:59 -0700 Subject: Re: New Miata Rules' stable Prepared class? You've got to be kidding! It used to be that way, but not any more. OTH, we've run the same car for a very long time (30 years!) in Prepared. It's only lately that there have been some additions/changes to the rules. --Pat Kelly Tony Ford wrote: > > So what is the consensus of the new Miata with more horsepower, 16" wheels, and additional chassis bracing? It discourages me to have my car become obsolete after owning it for a year and a half. Heck, I haven't even learned how to really drive it well yet. A road racer once told me if I was going to race that I should buy a proper race car and forget running a stock class car and all the expense it entails making it raceworthy. I'm inclined to believe him now. Is it any easier to run in a more rules-stable prepared or modified class? Or does it just appear so to me? And monetarily, would I have been better off to have gotten a decent dedicated race car (FM or CM?)? Although I'm not so sure that would be a good place to start out. But then again, I'd have been slow as heck in anything starting out. I really enjoy autocross and developing my skills as a driver, but I'd like a shot at winning something someday without breaking the bank. Any thoughts out there? > > Anthony C. Ford > Mechanical Engineer > Mazak Corporation > (859) 342-1382 > FAX 342-1537 > B-Stock Cendiv #25 > '99 R-model From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 11:55:42 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: pnc1@earthlink.net, ba-autox@autox.team.net, mr2-digest@mr2.com, Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:54:28 EDT Subject: Re: 1992 Toyota MR2 For Sale I can vouch for this car! I drove it all last year with Derek. I've been to 19 Nationals, and hadn't trophied since '86, 'til last year. I know how much Derek has put into this car and it's a deal at this price! Car has been immaculately cared for. You won't be sorry if you buy it. Charlie Davis From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 11:57:45 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Tony Ford Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:57:08 -0400 Subject: Re: New Miata Tony Ford wrote: > A road racer once told me if I was going to race that I should buy a > proper race car and forget running a stock class car and all the > expense it entails making it raceworthy. I'm inclined to believe him > now. Is it any easier to run in a more rules-stable prepared or > modified class? Or does it just appear so to me? Yes, this is all true. > And monetarily, would I have been better off to have gotten a decent > dedicated race car (FM or CM?)? That's tougher to say. Obviously, an FM or CM car cannot be your daily driver, though you can certainly use almost any daily driver as a tow vehicle (you don't need a truck). So there's some up-front additional cost in having a separate vehicle for competition only, plus of course the trailer and the garage space. But it certainly does compare favorably to having a dedicated production-based car for competition only. The initial purchase cost of an FM or CM car is quite good compared with most Stock classes. You can easily get into both for under 10K, possibly well under. You'd be hard pressed to spend over $20K, even if you really wanted to (if you bought an expensive car and then paid someone to do a complete frame-up rebuild including motor and gearbox, or if you bought a brand new Formula Ford or Sports 2000, you might get there.) It's certainly a lot less than a Corvette Z06 or a Boxster or a new M3 or whatever... even less than a new Miata, assuming you already own a suitable tow vehicle. The big problem with starting out in a Real Race Car is that there's no passenger seat (though I have seen some S2's with one, the weight of a passenger can really screw up the handling). Also, it may be too tempting for some, since there are so many things you can change -- and thus, so many ways to thoroughly screw up the setup. But if you have self-discipline and you buy a car that's already set up, that second point can be ignored. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 12:04:24 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:03:54 -0500 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs Mark, et. al: This is all fine, but the Book refers to speeds in Stock & SP specifically. I am not sure what you mean by "fairness"? Roger MS>rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: MS>> In any case, the Peru event was enough in excess of Rules MS>> 1.3 and 2.1.A to be a concern. It sounds like other events are MS>> also? (But we must discount competitor reports of calculated or MS>> observed MS>> speeds, as they are often exaggerated. An F/M driver at the MS>> BFG Event in Oscoda last year reported 100+ mph at the finish line. MS>> Radar gun had him at 63. . . . . . .) MS>Ask a mod car driver in a car with gears, and in a class that allows MS>open gearing. I can usually tell you how fast I was going within 5 mph MS>or so, without even looking at the Geez! data. MS>At NEDiv's, on Saturday in the dry, we were in the upper 70's entering MS>the fast slalom on the way back. On Sunday, it may have been a little MS>faster, except that for us it was quite wet so we were still in the MS>70's entering the turnaround. That's in a CM Formula Ford. MS>The Devens NT was similarly fast, mid to upper 70's top speed on both MS>courses. MS>I think both events were pushing the envelope in terms of the rulebook MS>and in terms of fairness, but weren't out of hand. MS>I'm sure there's someone who can offer similar authoritative data for MS>Peru. MS>Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 12:07:11 2000 From: Randy Chase To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:12:11 -0700 Subject: Re: 1992 Toyota MR2 For Sale Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > > I can vouch for this car! I drove it all last year with Derek. I've been to > 19 Nationals, and hadn't trophied since '86, 'til last year. I know how much > Derek has put into this car and it's a deal at this price! Car has been > immaculately cared for. You won't be sorry if you buy it. I have run against this car and I agree. :-) This is a very good deal. Someone stop me from buying it, just so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. Randy Chase '91 MR2 CS From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 12:11:01 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: rjohnson@friendlynet.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:10:12 -0400 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: > This is all fine, but the Book refers to speeds in Stock & SP > specifically. Right, but you can extrapolate a bit. The most powerful Stock cars might be going as fast as we are, certainly not much faster. > I am not sure what you mean by "fairness"? Courses like the Devens NT and the NEDIV Divisionals aren't really fair, because the classing is designed around a certain type of course. Extremely high-speed courses, especially one where the right foot stays on the floor for extended periods of time, favor the more powerful cars in each class. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 12:14:40 2000 From: jon e prevo To: EGFord@mazakcorp.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:08:47 -0500 Subject: Re: New Miata On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:36:27 -0400 "Tony Ford" writes: > A road racer > once told me if I was going to race that I should buy a proper race > car and forget running a stock class car and all the expense it > entails making it raceworthy. I'm inclined to believe him now. I agree with your road racer friend. Spend the same money and time on a cheap, older car and build a __race__ car which will be competitive over the long haul (or just buy a competitive car someone else has already built) and you will be way ahead of the game. IMHO, stock classes work well for those who need to race their daily drivers. I have yet to see the attraction stock classes hold for accomplished, committed racers... Jon FP 73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 12:28:00 2000 From: "Andy Whittle" To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:29:21 -0500 Subject: Re: New Miata <> A road racer once told me if I was going to race that I should buy a proper race car and forget running a stock class car and all the expense it entails making it raceworthy. I'm inclined to believe him now. Is it any easier to run in a more rules-stable prepared or modified class? Or does it just appear so to me? And monetarily, would I have been better off to have gotten a decent dedicated race car (FM or CM?)? Although I'm not so sure that would be a good place to start out. But then again, I'd have been slow as heck in anything starting out. <> Try A-Mod At least when a new rule is created, everyone will know the competitor that out-thought the field and had a truly good idea and got a rule created in there behalf. "no movable aero dynamic devices"...wings that move, things that spin HEHE Those were the days. Andy Whittle From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 12:45:36 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: awhittle@fastrans.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:44:24 EDT Subject: Re: New Miata Andy Whittle writes: << Try A-Mod >> Don't you mean "Try to get your A-Mod car to run?" When was the last time you brought it to Nationals??? Charlie Davis (having problems getting a C/P car off the jackstands...) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 12:47:21 2000 From: "Jodi Fordahl" To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:44:49 -0700 Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures, recall I work for a Bridgestone/Firestone dealer. They have not recalled the tires but anyone running on those tires are encouraged to go to an authorized Bridgestone/Firestone dealership to have the tires inspected. The notice we received says "As part of our long-standing customer satisfaction program, customer who would like to exchange their tires will be given a credit toward new tires, based on the remaining life of the tires. In fact, any issues or concerns following the inspection will be remedied to each customer's satisfaction." Bridgestone claims that the group trying to get the recall is a profit-making firm that is trying to win product liability lawsuits. If I hear anything more on this issue I will let you all know. -Jodi Fordahl -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bob Buxton Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:56 AM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures, recall 1/2 hr after the radio station announced the recall, they came back on with a correction. It is Sears that is pulling the tires from the shelfs and NOT a Firestone recall. I bet the person who wrote that news story has trouble coming. Bob 88 CRX DM ===== Bob Buxton c/o Buxton's Autohaus & Pocket Rocket racing (The Home of Import Performance!) 185 First St. Falls Creek, PA. 15840 814-375-5808 buxtons@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 12:47:26 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: awhittle@fastrans.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:45:58 EDT Subject: Re: New Miata It just dawned on me: Guys who graduate from engineering school (University of Missouri at Rolla, in this case) build A-Mod cars. Guys who flunk out (same school) build C/P cars! CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 12:54:44 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:56:02 -0400 Subject: Re: New Miata Hey now...... I will have you know I haven't built a C/P car.... yet... :) But I didn't flunk out of UMR.... I gave up! Besides, I studied Computer Science. http://www.christoc.com/forums/ ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Smokerbros@aol.com Reply-To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:45:58 EDT It just dawned on me: Guys who graduate from engineering school (University of Missouri at Rolla, in this case) build A-Mod cars. Guys who flunk out (same school) build C/P cars! CHD -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 12:59:59 2000 From: Snapspinnr@aol.com To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:58:48 EDT Subject: Spec class? In response to a couple of things that are going on in the Solo II world I was thinking about classing and this thought came to mind. What about running "Spec" classes in stock? The thought here is to start a class that will have a stable rule setup for X number of years. This way everyone could buy a car for the class and know that they have "the" car for the class until the rules change. The car I would propose to be a spec car would be the 1.8 liter 1st gen Miatas. The cars would be prepared to stock class spec's and run in there own "spec" class. If the SCCA would commit to leaving the rules alone for say 3 to 5 years I think a lot of members would be attracted to such a class. I think a lot of drivers would like it for the following reasons: 1. Reduced cost - With only 1 car to buy and setup for the next 3 - 5 years. 2. It would be a real drivers class - Everyone would have "the" car. I probably wouldn't run in this class because I am not Miata sized myself. But I know "spec racing" is becoming popular in road racing so why not in Solo? From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 13:03:14 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Team.net'" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:50:58 -0700 Subject: Was SD help/ now its a girl!!! Last night my wife, Jennifer, took delivery of her 93' Mazda RX7. The search is over, I now have a Red headed bastard step child. Thanks to those who offered to help in my search, I actually found one here in AZ. I can not tell you how much I am looking forward to having two broken down cars to work on. :) Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 13:15:24 2000 From: "Kent Rafferty" To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:31:30 -0400 Subject: Re: New Miata The attraction for me is simple. I like fast street cars. I like to drive fast street cars fast. There aren't too many places you can do that legally these days. If I had a real race car, I'd be really racing it at Nelson Ledges, Mid-Ohio or wherever. Just my take. Kent Rafferty > IMHO, stock classes work well for those who need to race their daily > drivers. I have yet to see the attraction stock classes hold for > accomplished, committed racers... > > Jon FP 73 > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 13:26:21 2000 From: "matthew c. mead" To: autox mailing list Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:25:37 -0400 Subject: Solo II wheel rules help This is sort of a followup and more general question I have after reading about the Miata wheels. If the car I drive had the option of coming with different sized wheels, can I substitute those with R compound for Solo II competition, and remain within a stock class? What if those optional wheels are larger? Smaller? Does it make a difference? Thanks! -matt -- matthew c. mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 13:35:36 2000 From: Jeffrey Blankenship To: "'jon e prevo'" , EGFord@mazakcorp.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:34:25 -0500 Subject: RE: New Miata > -----Original Message----- > From: jon e prevo [mailto:tcbracer@juno.com] > I have yet to see the attraction stock classes hold for > accomplished, committed racers... > > Jon FP 73 Just a reminder - Q: What can your race car do on a REAL road? A: Have a nice ride on a trailer. I admit I'm not an accomplished or committed racer. But I have a Windstar, so I could have saved on insurance, license fees and whatever by making my second car a prepared or a mod. But I felt that I would have come up short in two areas - development time, and fun on the street. So even if my "new" '91 MR2 Turbo fades into AS oblivion, I'll still have a few miles of smiles on every pretty day of the year. --- Jeffrey "T-tops were not an option on the Windstar" Blankenship jblanken@amdocs.com Amdocs - ITDS - TRIS+ neon enthusiast #478 Champaign, IL, USA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 13:40:27 2000 From: "Larry Steckel" To: EGFord@mazakcorp.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:39:25 EDT Subject: Re: New Miata Tony, I have been listening to both sides of this argument for years. And to be honest, both sides do put up a good defense. One factor that has has to be considered is whether you have pavement available to autocross a pure race car within a reasonable towing distance. Second is whether you have adequate space to store the car and trailer at home. Third is whether you have understanding neighbors and municpal officials who aren't upset with a trailer in the driveway all the time. And I guess you also have to consider whether you want to drive your cool car a lot, or settle for something truck like on a daily basis that you can use to tow your race car. The car itself may be less expensive, but the collateral expenses can add up in a hurry. Larry Steckel #47 GTI-16V. >From: "Tony Ford" >Reply-To: "Tony Ford" >To: autox@autox.team.net >Subject: New Miata >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:36:27 -0400 > >So what is the consensus of the new Miata with more horsepower, 16" wheels, >and additional chassis bracing? It discourages me to have my car become >obsolete after owning it for a year and a half. Heck, I haven't even >learned how to really drive it well yet. A road racer once told me if I was >going to race that I should buy a proper race car and forget running a >stock class car and all the expense it entails making it raceworthy. I'm >inclined to believe him now. Is it any easier to run in a more rules-stable >prepared or modified class? Or does it just appear so to me? And >monetarily, would I have been better off to have gotten a decent dedicated >race car (FM or CM?)? Although I'm not so sure that would be a good place >to start out. But then again, I'd have been slow as heck in anything >starting out. I really enjoy autocross and developing my skills as a >driver, but I'd like a shot at winning something someday without breaking >the bank. Any thoughts out there? > > >Anthony C. Ford >Mechanical Engineer >Mazak Corporation >(859) 342-1382 >FAX 342-1537 >B-Stock Cendiv #25 >'99 R-model > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 13:50:33 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: , "Christopher Hammond" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:51:48 -0500 Subject: Re: New Miata I tried to remedy that problem with you! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: Re: New Miata > Hey now...... I will have you know I haven't built a C/P car.... yet... :) > But I didn't flunk out of UMR.... I gave up! > > Besides, I studied Computer Science. > > http://www.christoc.com/forums/ > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Smokerbros@aol.com > Reply-To: Smokerbros@aol.com > Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:45:58 EDT > > It just dawned on me: > > Guys who graduate from engineering school (University of Missouri at Rolla, > in this case) build A-Mod cars. > Guys who flunk out (same school) build C/P cars! > > CHD > > > -- > Christopher Hammond > http://www.christoc.com > -- > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:03:57 2000 From: John Whitling To: Mark Sirota Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:05:04 -0400 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs Does this statement account for all those slow, front wheel drive courses being unfair to high horsepower vehicles????? Every autocros will vary. If your car isn't the "hot setup" for that event what do you want us to do ... reset the course so Neons look like superstars?????? Get over it. John Whitling Mark Sirota wrote: > Courses like the Devens NT and the NEDIV Divisionals aren't really > fair, because the classing is designed around a certain type of > course. Extremely high-speed courses, especially one where the right > foot stays on the floor for extended periods of time, favor the > more powerful cars in each class. > > Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:04:33 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Larry Steckel Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:03:50 -0400 Subject: Re: New Miata Larry Steckel wrote: > And I guess you also have to consider whether you want to drive your > cool car a lot, or settle for something truck like on a daily basis > that you can use to tow your race car. Pah. Our current two daily drivers are a Miata and a '94 Jetta GLX (the tow vehicle). The Jetta will be replaced this winter, probably with an Audi S4 Avant (the new tow vehicle). We're having plenty of fun on the street, thanks -- and probably even more fun on Sundays than people running in Stock. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:13:38 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "matthew c. mead" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:16:04 -0400 Subject: RE: Solo II wheel rules help It is a general consensus that if the particular option package you have could have come with 2 different sized wheels then you can run either on that car But like many cars the larger wheels are usually part of a performance or appearance package and you must have EVERYTHING in that package For example the M edition M1 miata came with optional 15" BBS wheels but unless you have the entire M-edition package you cannot run the larger wheels on an M1 And the same goes for the reverse; a 99-00-sport package or 10 AE cannot run 14" wheels since the 15" were standard I had the same question BMW doesn't use packages for options so you can pick and choose what options you want, except some options cancel others (power windows cancel roll up models, etc) now the Z3 in all the manuals I read has specs for 15x7" wheels, but I have never seen any in all my years, it was a option in '96 but I don't think anyone in their right mind would remove the standard 16" wheels and opt for the 15" with no price break... So I felt this was treading on thin legality Ice so I just bought the 16x7's for my race wheels, now I wish I had not since I could run a smaller tire and get more aggressive gearing.. Jeff Lloyd -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of matthew c. mead Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 3:26 PM To: autox mailing list Subject: Solo II wheel rules help This is sort of a followup and more general question I have after reading about the Miata wheels. If the car I drive had the option of coming with different sized wheels, can I substitute those with R compound for Solo II competition, and remain within a stock class? What if those optional wheels are larger? Smaller? Does it make a difference? Thanks! -matt -- matthew c. mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:13:38 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:12:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Course speeds - was (3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs) LOL - there was no doubt that we would hear from John Whitling on this one - it IS his favorite subject. The fact is that course speeds are proscribed in the rulebook - just as is weight and wheelbase for F/M cars, or preparation allowances in Stock, etc., etc., etc. We are expected to overlook violations of the book in one area, and stick to the letter of the rules in others? Vehicles are distributed to classes based primarily on courses seen at the National Championship event. Mark was simply saying (I think) that departures from this norm, (in either direction - my words) disrupts the existing classing balances. Roger Johnson (Ohio) AL>Does this statement account for all those slow, front wheel drive courses AL>being unfair to high horsepower vehicles????? Every autocros will vary. AL>If your car isn't the "hot setup" for that event what do you want us to AL>do ... reset the course so Neons look like superstars?????? Get over it. AL>John Whitling AL>Mark Sirota wrote: AL>> Courses like the Devens NT and the NEDIV Divisionals aren't really AL>> fair, because the classing is designed around a certain type of AL>> course. Extremely high-speed courses, especially one where the right AL>> foot stays on the floor for extended periods of time, favor the AL>> more powerful cars in each class. AL>> AL>> Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:16:00 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:16:49 -0500 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs Correct me if I am wrong, but as someone who is 200-400hp down on my competitors, I would rather see a somewhat constant speed course no matter how high that speed may be. The course at the Peru Tour was just this. A course that has tight 180's with areas that allow acceleration after them are much more advantageous to HP cars. If you want to slow down the CP dinosaurs, use narrow gates and 45' slaloms :) As to fairness, aren't we all in classes with somewhat similar cars? Neon's aren't competing against Corvettes! Just some thoughts, and I know the classing system is flawed and we have beat that subject to death! Dave > > Mark Sirota wrote: > > > Courses like the Devens NT and the NEDIV Divisionals aren't really > > fair, because the classing is designed around a certain type of > > course. Extremely high-speed courses, especially one where the right > > foot stays on the floor for extended periods of time, favor the > > more powerful cars in each class. > > > > Mark > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:19:19 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Tony Ford" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:25:16 -0400 Subject: RE: New Miata We will have to see, I am also a b-stocker and I'm finally getting a leg up on the current crop of Hiroshiman Roadsters, If they get 16x7 inch wheels there might be a problem, can you imagine a miata with 245/45/16 Hoosier autocross compound :-O but I'm figuring this may hurt the gearing also, now a 6speed 10ae is geared a bit low for large national courses, this might be their answer. If that happens then I might have to stay home on Sundays, or move to prepared once and for all Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Tony Ford Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:36 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: New Miata So what is the consensus of the new Miata with more horsepower, 16" wheels, and additional chassis bracing? It discourages me to have my car become obsolete after owning it for a year and a half. Heck, I haven't even learned how to really drive it well yet. A road racer once told me if I was going to race that I should buy a proper race car and forget running a stock class car and all the expense it entails making it raceworthy. I'm inclined to believe him now. Is it any easier to run in a more rules-stable prepared or modified class? Or does it just appear so to me? And monetarily, would I have been better off to have gotten a decent dedicated race car (FM or CM?)? Although I'm not so sure that would be a good place to start out. But then again, I'd have been slow as heck in anything starting out. I really enjoy autocross and developing my skills as a driver, but I'd like a shot at winning something someday without breaking the bank. Any thoughts out there? Anthony C. Ford Mechanical Engineer Mazak Corporation (859) 342-1382 FAX 342-1537 B-Stock Cendiv #25 '99 R-model From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:29:22 2000 From: "Mark J. Hirt" To: Snapspinnr@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:28:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Spec class? Ahhhh what do you think D Stock has been the last few years Snapspinnr@aol.com wrote: > > In response to a couple of things that are going on in the Solo II world I was thinking about classing and this thought came to mind. What about running "Spec" classes in stock? -- Regards, Mark J. Hirt nxracer@mediaone.net http://people.ce.mediaone.net/nxracer _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:34:15 2000 From: William Loring To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:34:26 -0600 Subject: Re: New Miata > From: Mark Sirota > > Pah. Our current two daily drivers are a Miata and a '94 Jetta GLX > (the tow vehicle). The Jetta will be replaced this winter, probably > with an Audi S4 Avant (the new tow vehicle). > Well Mark, this is where the difference lies. There are those of us who can afford to own a Miata AND an S4 Avant AND a mod car (and all the stuff that goes with it), and there are those of us to whom this is only a distant fantasy. Not everyone has the same economic opportunities that you have. This is not a good or a bad thing, it is simply reality. > We're having plenty of fun on the street, thanks -- and probably even > more fun on Sundays than people running in Stock. > The above comment is more than a bit condescending, but I won't address that part of it, as I'm sure it wasn't intended. I've raced both mod (co-drove an FM car last year, thanks Ricardo!), and stock (ES/HS 1990 Honda Civic Si). Both cars are lots of fun to drive... while driving the Vee, I found myself missing the Honda. This year I'm back in the Honda, and I miss the Vee. Go figure. Anyway, I'd love to be racing a Vee, or a CM car, but economic reality (and lack of garage space) says that I can't do it right now. I'm still having plenty of fun in the Honda, I really can't say that it's more or less fun than the Vee. Unless it's raining. Regards, William Loring From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:40:52 2000 From: Bob Monday To: Jodi Fordahl , autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures, recall I'm curious about how this adjustment will work. The last time I tried to adjust a tire (due to a blowout on a 10-ply Goodyear), the price that was being adjusted was a price that NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would pay for a tire! Sure, I got a 50% credit, but I'd have been better off to go to Tire Rack and buy retail! Let us know if they're seriously interested in recovering from this media nightmare, or just putting out sound bytes that turn into irritation at the tire store. I've also wondered how statistics were accumulated on such failures. Bob Monday Boys-R-Us Racing --- Jodi Fordahl wrote: > I work for a Bridgestone/Firestone dealer. > "As part of our long-standing customer satisfaction > program, > customer who would like to exchange their tires will be given a > credit > toward new tires, based on the remaining life of the tires. In fact, > any > issues or concerns following the inspection will be remedied to each > customer's satisfaction." > __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:43:38 2000 From: Bob Monday To: "Isley, Jason C." , "'Team.net'" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Was SD help/ now its a girl!!! WOW! An RX7 and a Testarossa? Cool! ;-) Bob Monday Boys-R-Us Racing --- "Isley, Jason C." wrote: > Last night my wife, Jennifer, took delivery of her 93' Mazda >RX7. The search is over, I now have a Red headed bastard step child. > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com > __________________________________________________ Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:56:24 2000 From: Alan Pozner To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:54:43 -0400 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs >John Whitling wrote: > >Mark Sirota wrote: > >> Courses like the Devens NT and the NEDIV Divisionals aren't really >> fair, because the classing is designed around a certain type of >> course. Extremely high-speed courses, especially one where the right >> foot stays on the floor for extended periods of time, favor the >> more powerful cars in each class. >> >> Mark > >Does this statement account for all those slow, front wheel drive courses >being unfair to high horsepower vehicles????? Every autocros will vary. >If your car isn't the "hot setup" for that event what do you want us to >do ... reset the course so Neons look like superstars?????? Get over it. > >John Whitling John, I don't think Mark drives a Neon :-) Also I didn't know that CMod cars were front drive :-) Seriously, many folks are noticing that the style of courses in auto-x are changing. Is this a bad thing or a good thing? I really don't know. But I do know that many courses allow speeds of stock class cars that are in VIOLATION of the RULES. That is not good. Let's keep the discussion on team net open and try to get some consensus on ways to avoid this speed creep before it does get out of hand. IMHO :-) Regards, Alan From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 14:57:49 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: William Loring Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:56:48 -0400 Subject: Re: New Miata William Loring wrote: > Well Mark, this is where the difference lies. There are those of us > who can afford to own a Miata AND an S4 Avant AND a mod car (and all > the stuff that goes with it), and there are those of us to whom this > is only a distant fantasy. Not everyone has the same economic > opportunities that you have. Hey, our two current cars are not exactly all that expensive. A decent Miata can be had for under $10K, and a capable tow vehicle for an FF or F5 can also be had for under 10K (our Jetta is certainly worth under 10K now, though it was $20K when it was new over six years ago). Just about anything with six cylinders or more will do, though there are people who tow with Integras too. The point is that between my wife and I, we need two street cars. If one of them can do double-duty as a tow vehicle and still be fun on the street, then that means you don't need to factor the cost of a tow vehicle into the cost of operating a Real Race Car. The garage space issue is certainly a real one, though. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 15:11:17 2000 From: "Kearney, Thomas" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:10:25 -0400 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs FYI - An Onieda County Sheriff was present at NEDi'v's Saturday (dry). He was clocking with laser during heat 2. Most of the F stockers were hitting 73 - 75 through the 80ft slalom coming towards the finish. The laser was locking on at an average distance of 1400 ft (good to know for future/Thruway encounters). He couldnt get a lock on Goodale's car unfortunately. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 15:33:17 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: Bob Monday , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:33:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures, recall > I'm curious about how this adjustment will work. The last time I tried > to adjust a tire (due to a blowout on a 10-ply Goodyear), the price > that was being adjusted was a price that NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND > would pay for a tire! Sure, I got a 50% credit, but I'd have been > better off to go to Tire Rack and buy retail! That, of course, is excellent advice (I'm biased, check my address). But in this case, Firestone is replacing with no pro-rating or labor charges. They are buying any suitable name brand tires for their company stores from every source they can. > Let us know if they're seriously interested in recovering from this > media nightmare, or just putting out sound bytes that turn into > irritation at the tire store. I've also wondered how statistics were > accumulated on such failures. Interesting math.... They have made about 47 million of those tires since 1990. If they had 470 failures, that is 1/100 of 1% (0.00001) failure rate. I don't know the actual number of failures, but when you look at the percentages... I think I screw up a bit more often than that. My coworkers will vouch for it. Autox content: I hit a lot higher percentage of cones on any given course than Firestone has tire failures. So do you. My personal opinion (NOT my employers)? Glad you asked... Ford should have specified extra load tires, like they do on most of their other light trucks and vans, but were probably too concerned about ride quality (or cheap). The Explorer is more unstable than other SUVs. OE tires on mass market vehicles aren't chosen because they're the best - they're cheap. Ask any Neon ACR or 1.6L Miata owner about the OE tires... The general population doesn't check their air pressure. You shouldn't drive overloaded and/or underinflated in high temps or at high speeds in any vehicle. Sometimes tires will fail. So do engines, transmissions, airconditioners, furnaces, hot water heaters, hearts, blood vessels, marriages, businesses, etc. Probably more often than tires. They too require some basic maintenance. ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! Suddenly had a run on 235/75R15 light truck tires...wonder why? ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 15:44:48 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:46:31 -0400 Subject: More Firestone.... As posted on CRF, Christoc.com Racing Forums: http://www.christoc.com/cgi-bin/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000001.html Posted Message: Speaking of statistics.... How many of the people in these accidents that died or were injured were not wearing their seat belts? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Ozinga Reply-To: Bill Ozinga Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:33:03 -0700 > I'm curious about how this adjustment will work. The last time I tried > to adjust a tire (due to a blowout on a 10-ply Goodyear), the price > that was being adjusted was a price that NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND > would pay for a tire! Sure, I got a 50% credit, but I'd have been > better off to go to Tire Rack and buy retail! That, of course, is excellent advice (I'm biased, check my address). But in this case, Firestone is replacing with no pro-rating or labor charges. They are buying any suitable name brand tires for their company stores from every source they can. > Let us know if they're seriously interested in recovering from this > media nightmare, or just putting out sound bytes that turn into > irritation at the tire store. I've also wondered how statistics were > accumulated on such failures. Interesting math.... They have made about 47 million of those tires since 1990. If they had 470 failures, that is 1/100 of 1% (0.00001) failure rate. I don't know the actual number of failures, but when you look at the percentages... I think I screw up a bit more often than that. My coworkers will vouch for it. Autox content: I hit a lot higher percentage of cones on any given course than Firestone has tire failures. So do you. My personal opinion (NOT my employers)? Glad you asked... Ford should have specified extra load tires, like they do on most of their other light trucks and vans, but were probably too concerned about ride quality (or cheap). The Explorer is more unstable than other SUVs. OE tires on mass market vehicles aren't chosen because they're the best - they're cheap. Ask any Neon ACR or 1.6L Miata owner about the OE tires... The general population doesn't check their air pressure. You shouldn't drive overloaded and/or underinflated in high temps or at high speeds in any vehicle. Sometimes tires will fail. So do engines, transmissions, airconditioners, furnaces, hot water heaters, hearts, blood vessels, marriages, businesses, etc. Probably more often than tires. They too require some basic maintenance. ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! Suddenly had a run on 235/75R15 light truck tires...wonder why? ---------------------------------------- -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:07:54 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Mari L Clements" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:10:46 -0700 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs ----- Original Message ----- From: Mari L Clements To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 8:14 AM Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs > Yes, Tim has a 10AE. Thanks! > One other thing to remember--unless your autox tires are the same size as > your street tires, the obtained speed will be off. I doubt they are, and besides that, Miata speedometers are notoriously optimistic. Between the built-in error and my shorter-than-stock street tires, my actual speed at the top of 3rd gear was probably about 80 or so. And that kind of speed is really more than I'd want to see on an autox course! Scot - not chicken, really '91 CS Miata - still more capable than the guy driving it :) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:08:18 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Mari L Clements" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:11:12 -0700 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs Wow! I got four copies of this message! Scot ----- Original Message ----- From: Mari L Clements To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 8:14 AM Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs > Yes, Tim has a 10AE. > > One other thing to remember--unless your autox tires are the same size as > your street tires, the obtained speed will be off. For instance, coming > back at Peru, after a big lift/starting to break, Eric looked down at the > finish "straight" to see the speedo dropping back through 70. Flying, > right? Well, someone had radar, and Roger Johnson in his vette was > "only" going 70 something. And the Vette certainly, certainly, certainly > was faster on that course than the 130 hp MR2. > > On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Scot Zediker > writes: > > By any chance is your Miata a 10AE? My '91 hits the rev limiter at > > an indicated 85mph in 3rd (did this on a freeway onramp, not an > > autox :) > > mlc > '91 MR2 NA > -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree > with---- > > ________________________________________________________________ > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:12:42 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:15:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Nationals entries ----- Original Message ----- From: Williams To: Bruce Haden ; Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Nationals entries > What a world it would be if every dirt oval in the nation had a 'Neon' > class. Maybe so, but I just don't think a WWD Neon would be as much fun on a dirt track as any RWD car. Then again, there's lots of WWD cars that do very well in rallying, so I could be wrong. Scot '91 CS Miata - RWD, as a sports car should be From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:18:35 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:19:25 -0500 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs My point was that I don't think that this course favored HP cars just because it was fast. NO it wasn't exactly constant speed, but it seemed to favor HP less than some other courses that I have run. I don't have exact speed data over 128 logging points of all the courses run in the last 7.25 years, so I was not (and am not) trying to start an argument over the overall change in speed over any one course. It was a general statement for discussion purposes. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:57 PM Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs > > > > (Private Post) > > Are you saying that the Peru Tour course was 'constant speed'? > > If that is your view, we were obviously driving ifferent courses those > two > days. . . . . . . > > Roger > > > > > DA>Correct me if I am wrong, but as someone who is 200-400hp down on my > DA>competitors, I would rather see a somewhat constant speed course no matter > DA>how high that speed may be. The course at the Peru Tour was just this. > > DA>A course that has tight 180's with areas that allow acceleration after them > DA>are much more advantageous to HP cars. If you want to slow down the CP > DA>dinosaurs, use narrow gates and 45' slaloms :) > > DA>As to fairness, aren't we all in classes with somewhat similar cars? Neon's > DA>aren't competing against Corvettes! > > DA>Just some thoughts, and I know the classing system is flawed and we have > DA>beat that subject to death! > > DA>Dave > > > > > DA>> > DA>> Mark Sirota wrote: > DA>> > DA>> > Courses like the Devens NT and the NEDIV Divisionals aren't really > DA>> > fair, because the classing is designed around a certain type of > DA>> > course. Extremely high-speed courses, especially one where the right > DA>> > foot stays on the floor for extended periods of time, favor the > DA>> > more powerful cars in each class. > DA>> > > DA>> > Mark > DA>> > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:20:19 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Randy Chase" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:22:49 -0700 Subject: Re: 1992 Toyota MR2 For Sale ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Chase To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:12 AM Subject: Re: 1992 Toyota MR2 For Sale > I have run against this car and I agree. :-) This is a very good deal. > Someone stop me from buying it, just so it doesn't fall into the wrong > hands. As someone else who's run against this car on occasion, I'll have to concur. There is just something about this car! I've come close to other MR2's in my Miata (even beaten a couple here and there), but I cannot even TOUCH Derek's MR2 regardless of who's driving it. Anyone wanna spot me $9500? ;) Scot '91 CS Miata From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:19:57 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Mark J. Hirt'" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:18:09 -0500 Subject: RE: Spec class? I beg your pardon. There was one non-Neon in DS last year at Forbes. And dammit, he beat me. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer" Mark Twain -----Original Message----- Ahhhh what do you think D Stock has been the last few years From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:19:38 2000 From: "David Hedderick" To: "Tony Ford" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:42:32 -0500 Subject: Re: New Miata I think on a certain type of course even the 94-97 Miatas can keep up with the 99+ models. Mr. Doganis has proved that. Of course driver may play a little part too. ;-) David Hedderick (nut behind the wheel needs replaced) -----Original Message----- From: Tony Ford To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:36 PM Subject: New Miata >So what is the consensus of the new Miata with more horsepower, 16" wheels, and additional chassis bracing? It discourages me to have my car become obsolete after owning it for a year and a half. Heck, I haven't even learned how to really drive it well yet. A road racer once told me if I was going to race that I should buy a proper race car and forget running a stock class car and all the expense it entails making it raceworthy. I'm inclined to believe him now. Is it any easier to run in a more rules-stable prepared or modified class? Or does it just appear so to me? And monetarily, would I have been better off to have gotten a decent dedicated race car (FM or CM?)? Although I'm not so sure that would be a good place to start out. But then again, I'd have been slow as heck in anything starting out. I really enjoy autocross and developing my skills as a driver, but I'd like a shot at winning something someday without breaking the bank. Any thoughts out there? > > >Anthony C. Ford >Mechanical Engineer >Mazak Corporation >(859) 342-1382 >FAX 342-1537 >B-Stock Cendiv #25 >'99 R-model > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:22:00 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: , , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:24:54 -0700 Subject: Re: New Miata ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: New Miata > It just dawned on me: > > Guys who graduate from engineering school (University of Missouri at Rolla, > in this case) build A-Mod cars. > Guys who flunk out (same school) build C/P cars! I flunked out of Cal Poly SLO (mechanical engineering program). So should I start looking for an old Mustang? Scot '91 non-CP non-Mustang ;) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:23:37 2000 From: David K Yeung To: soundtire@email.msn.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:22:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Firestone SUV Tires Major Failures, recall On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:44:49 -0700 "Jodi Fordahl" writes: >I work for a Bridgestone/Firestone dealer. They have not recalled the tires here's a press release. looks like a recall, smells like a recall, sounds like a recall......but it's not a recall? you can read the rest of it here: http://mirror.bridgestone-firestone.com/news/corporate/news/000809a.htm Dave Yeung Houston Region (don't got no tread slingin' suv to worry 'bout) ------------------------- WASHINGTON, DC, Aug. 9, 2000 -- Saying the safety of consumers is the company’s first concern, today Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc., announced a voluntary recall of all Firestone Radial ATX and Radial ATX II tires in size P235/75R15 produced in North America, including Mexico, and Wilderness AT tires in size P235/75R15 produced at the Decatur, Illinois plant. The recall includes original equipment and replacement tires of that size, regardless of the vehicle’s manufacturer. Vehicle owners will be notified of the recall by mail. Bridgestone/Firestone will replace all of these tires with brand new Wilderness AT or other Bridgestone/Firestone tires. If necessary, the company will obtain other sources of supply. The recall was announced by Gary Crigger, Executive Vice President of Bridgestone/Firestone Inc., at a Washington, DC, news conference. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is currently conducting a preliminary evaluation of the tires in response to questions relating to failures of these tires. The company is not limiting the recall. There have been approximately 14.4 million of these tires produced. The company estimates that the number of tires still in use and involved in the recall is 6.5 million, which includes 3.8 million Radial ATX and ATX II tires and 2.7 million Wilderness AT tires. ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:26:04 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "matthew c. mead" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:29:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Solo II wheel rules help If the differently sized wheels are a stand-alone option, you can legally use them in Stock. Scot '91 CS Miata ----- Original Message ----- From: matthew c. mead To: autox mailing list Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:25 PM Subject: Solo II wheel rules help > This is sort of a followup and more general question I have after > reading about the Miata wheels. > > If the car I drive had the option of coming with different sized > wheels, can I substitute those with R compound for Solo II > competition, and remain within a stock class? What if those > optional wheels are larger? Smaller? Does it make a difference? > > Thanks! > > > -matt > > -- > matthew c. mead > > mmead@goof.com > http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:36:49 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net, solo2atlanta@topica.com, BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:35:25 EDT Subject: SEDiv - Ozark weather update Looks like the weather will be even better than expected. Current forecast for this weekend's SEDiv Solo2 event in Ozark, AL is partly cloudy with high of 88, low of 67, and zero rain for both Saturday and Sunday. The latest weather forecast can be seen at: http://www.weather.com/weather/cities/us_al_ozark.html Mark Sipe SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:39:28 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "team.net" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:40:55 -0400 Subject: Do I hear EM? <<>> BSP may always be open (at least until registration closes) but at least according to the '94 rulebook (he he) the '01 Z06 is illegal in SP too. Have they changed the last sentence in the first paragraph of section 14? And by the first sentence of section 15 sounds like it is ineligible for prepared too. Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:41:37 2000 From: "Pat Salerno" To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:37:55 -0400 Subject: NeDiv Speed Just confirming Tim's posting The big FS boys were clocked by the local law enforcement coming out of the fast offsets between 72 and 75. The odd part is the guy who won ( in the great 1E package blue car with T-tops and leather) was at 72 mph and the LS1 powered cars were at either 74 or75......Hmmm. Speed doesn't matter? Does it? Pat 77 AS Boxster Holding my foot to the floor in third from the middle of the slalom before the offsets. Having a soda waiting for that FS horsepower I used to have. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:55:18 2000 From: "Jim Hedderick" To: "Tony Ford" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:47:49 -0500 Subject: Re: New Miata What makes economic sense varies according to your circumstances. My wife has a '96 Miata R which we autocross along with our '94R. This year it became apparent that the '99 and '00 Miatas have a small advantage. A serious conversion to CSP or DP could easily cost $15,000 to $20,000. For about $21,000 or so, I can buy my wife a new 2001 Miata that my son & I can autocross and she has a new car to drive to work. We can either sell the old one or keep it. We replace one car in the family every 4 years anyway, so stock class is VERY economical for us. But, for others, it would not be. Jim Hedderick Houston -----Original Message----- From: Tony Ford To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:35 PM Subject: New Miata >So what is the consensus of the new Miata with more horsepower, 16" wheels, and additional chassis bracing? It discourages me to have my car become obsolete after owning it for a year and a half. Heck, I haven't even learned how to really drive it well yet. A road racer once told me if I was going to race that I should buy a proper race car and forget running a stock class car and all the expense it entails making it raceworthy. I'm inclined to believe him now. Is it any easier to run in a more rules-stable prepared or modified class? Or does it just appear so to me? And monetarily, would I have been better off to have gotten a decent dedicated race car (FM or CM?)? Although I'm not so sure that would be a good place to start out. But then again, I'd have been slow as heck in anything starting out. I really enjoy autocross and developing my skills as a driver, but I'd like a shot at winning something someday without breaking the bank. Any thoughts out there? > > >Anthony C. Ford >Mechanical Engineer >Mazak Corporation >(859) 342-1382 >FAX 342-1537 >B-Stock Cendiv #25 >'99 R-model > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 17:03:08 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:01:47 EDT Subject: Re: AS is interesting BTW, A Stock also has the largest class listing for the Pro Solo Finale so far, too...and my name isn't listed yet. Mark Sipe From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 17:13:16 2000 From: "Jim Howard" To: "autox" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:17:57 -0400 Subject: Z06 - I CAN Play!!! I just got the official word that I can play reindeer games if I agree not to be mentioned in any record as having an official time. Translation: I can run WITH Super Stock but I am not eligible for any position and I will effectively be DSQ from the start. OK by me. I just wanta have a good time. See ya! Jim Howard From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 17:21:15 2000 From: "Brandon C. Fetch" To: howardje@erols.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:18:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Z06 - I CAN Play!!! Good to hear! We're all here to just have fun. Some of us just happen to be good enough to have it pay for iteself. Enjoy the weekend! Brandon DS86 '99 Neon R/T howardje@erols.com on 08/10/2000 06:16:10 PM Please respond to howardje@erols.com@Internet To: autox@autox.team.net@Internet cc: Subject: Z06 - I CAN Play!!! I just got the official word that I can play reindeer games if I agree not to be mentioned in any record as having an official time. Translation: I can run WITH Super Stock but I am not eligible for any position and I will effectively be DSQ from the start. OK by me. I just wanta have a good time. See ya! Jim Howard ******************************************************************************* Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP ******************************************************************************* From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 17:22:34 2000 From: "Paul Zahornasky" To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:21:13 -0400 Subject: RE: New Miata I'm siding with Mark. In the long run, a CM or FM ride is probably much less expensive to run. You don't need to give up your fun street car either. You don't even need to tow with it. Just find someone that has a Mod car and offer to split expenses to co-drive. Most CM and FM drivers would love to have co-drivers. It means warm tires for them every single time. Paul Zahornasky 27 CM -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Sirota Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:57 PM To: William Loring Cc: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: New Miata William Loring wrote: > Well Mark, this is where the difference lies. There are those of us > who can afford to own a Miata AND an S4 Avant AND a mod car (and all > the stuff that goes with it), and there are those of us to whom this > is only a distant fantasy. Not everyone has the same economic > opportunities that you have. Hey, our two current cars are not exactly all that expensive. A decent Miata can be had for under $10K, and a capable tow vehicle for an FF or F5 can also be had for under 10K (our Jetta is certainly worth under 10K now, though it was $20K when it was new over six years ago). Just about anything with six cylinders or more will do, though there are people who tow with Integras too. The point is that between my wife and I, we need two street cars. If one of them can do double-duty as a tow vehicle and still be fun on the street, then that means you don't need to factor the cost of a tow vehicle into the cost of operating a Real Race Car. The garage space issue is certainly a real one, though. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 17:30:08 2000 From: Jack.Stone@Eng.Sun.COM (Jack Stone) To: autox@autox.team.net, p.zahornasky@att.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:29:18 -0700 Subject: RE: New Miata Now thats a novel idea!!!! Question: Are there any folks out there in the San Fransisco region about 6'2" interested in sharing a ride for a Cmod or Bmod car? I could perfrom the setup storage towing, but not the car, but am really interested to see if I can actually keep up with these things in AX. Please contact me directly!! thanks, Jack CSP-R5 RX7 > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 16:22:54 2000 > From: "Paul Zahornasky" > To: > Subject: RE: New Miata > Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:21:13 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > charset="iso-8859-1" > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > Importance: Normal > > I'm siding with Mark. In the long run, a CM or FM ride is probably much > less expensive to run. You don't need to give up your fun street car > either. You don't even need to tow with it. Just find someone that has a > Mod car and offer to split expenses to co-drive. Most CM and FM drivers > would love to have co-drivers. It means warm tires for them every single > time. > > Paul Zahornasky > 27 CM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Mark Sirota > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:57 PM > To: William Loring > Cc: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: New Miata > > > William Loring wrote: > > Well Mark, this is where the difference lies. There are those of us > > who can afford to own a Miata AND an S4 Avant AND a mod car (and all > > the stuff that goes with it), and there are those of us to whom this > > is only a distant fantasy. Not everyone has the same economic > > opportunities that you have. > > Hey, our two current cars are not exactly all that expensive. A decent > Miata can be had for under $10K, and a capable tow vehicle for an FF > or F5 can also be had for under 10K (our Jetta is certainly worth under > 10K now, though it was $20K when it was new over six years ago). Just > about anything with six cylinders or more will do, though there are > people who tow with Integras too. > > The point is that between my wife and I, we need two street cars. If > one of them can do double-duty as a tow vehicle and still be fun on the > street, then that means you don't need to factor the cost of a tow > vehicle into the cost of operating a Real Race Car. > > The garage space issue is certainly a real one, though. > > Mark > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 17:47:51 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:49:50 -0400 Subject: ride sharing If you are looking to share a ride, or looking for a driver to co-drive I have set up a specific forum just for finding people and cars. This is just one of the many forums I have created the past day or so. If you feel like posting messages there feel free, I find it to be a much friendlier format than email lists... not that I don't still use email lists. http://www.christoc.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Share+a+Ride&number=39&DaysPrune=45&LastLogin= www.christoc.com/forums/ Chris Hammond -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 17:53:37 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:52:25 EDT Subject: James Baker, Baton Rouge? Please email me. Mark Sipe From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 17:58:25 2000 From: "matthew c. mead" To: autox mailing list Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:57:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Solo II wheel rules help Thanks for the help on the stock class wheel rules. I went back and looked at option packages and it turns out with the package I have, I'm stuck with my wheel size. I'll have to decide whether or not to get new wheels for stock, or wait until I go into street prepared. -matt -- matthew c. mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 18:25:12 2000 From: "Eric Buckley" To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:30:10 -0500 Subject: RE: New Miata jon e prevo wrote: > IMHO, stock classes work well for those who need to race their daily > drivers. I have yet to see the attraction stock classes hold for > accomplished, committed racers... I'm not really sure how you're defining accomplished and committed. Last I checked, Solo II was still being billed as a "grassroots" form of auto racing. By definition, we're all amateurs, here. If you mean someone who attends 20 events a year and is reasonably competitive, then perhaps I can answer your question. If I had a dedicated race car, I would drive it for about 3 hours a year. Road racing is out of my price range and even with driving schools, test sessions, and entering two heats at every event, 200 runs is about as many as I can get in. The thing is, I really like the way a performance car handles. I want to drive it more than that. Running in Stock or Street Touring lets me put my performance money into a car I drive all the time. Sure, a real race car can be less than a street car. Then again, it can be a lot more. I don't think you can say that one form is definitively more than another. Both can be cheap (15 year old HS Civic or Formula Vee) or very expensive (new SS NSX or AP Porsche 911 GT1 car). Eric Buckley 7STR: 98 Integra GSR St Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 18:36:46 2000 From: Ron Katona To: Digest Auto-x Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:36:07 -0400 Subject: RE: Nationals entries Eric Linnhoff wrote: > Racing a Pinto? There's just something really wrong about that. ;^) All kidding aside, one of the most well populated, popular, competitive, and inexpensive road racing series I've seen is the GTP class as run in the Mid Atlantic Road Racing Series (MARRS). If you haven't figured it out by now, the "P" in GTP stands for Pinto. Great races to watch. You've also never heard a cheer like the cheer that went up in the turn 8 grandstands at Summit Point earlier this summer when a GT Pinto passed a Ferrari F355 running in another class (saw it with my own eyes). Now _that's_ embarrassing! -- Ron Katona From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 19:43:51 2000 From: "Williams" To: "Christopher Hammond" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:27:34 -0500 Subject: Re: New Miata Hey, I went to Rolla in 1970. Left with a 0.5 GPA. Uh, I think I had a whole lot of fun, tho. Now I have an EP Mustang. It'd be a great CP roller. They told me I could come back if I only took 8 hours. I, uh, didn't bother. Bryan Williams Beer Money Racing EP16 Mustang -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Hammond To: Smokerbros@aol.com Cc: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:53 PM Subject: Re: New Miata >Hey now...... I will have you know I haven't built a C/P car.... yet... :) >But I didn't flunk out of UMR.... I gave up! > >Besides, I studied Computer Science. > >http://www.christoc.com/forums/ > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Smokerbros@aol.com >Reply-To: Smokerbros@aol.com >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:45:58 EDT > >It just dawned on me: > >Guys who graduate from engineering school (University of Missouri at Rolla, >in this case) build A-Mod cars. >Guys who flunk out (same school) build C/P cars! > >CHD > > >-- >Christopher Hammond >http://www.christoc.com >-- > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 20:02:46 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:52:09 -0400 Subject: Re: 1992 Toyota MR2 For Sale > I've come close to other MR2's in > my Miata (even beaten a couple here and there), but I cannot even > TOUCH Derek's MR2 regardless of who's driving it. Yeah, but what slouch has ever been behind the wheel of that car? mlc '91 MR2 NA -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 20:21:22 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:20:06 EDT Subject: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? What is the rule, if any, regarding Formula Jr drivers and working the course??? I'm assuming they are too young, but would like clarification. Mark Sipe SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 20:50:47 2000 From: washburn To: "Mark J. Hirt" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:48:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Spec class? Mark J. Hirt wrote: > > Ahhhh what do you think D Stock has been the last few years > Or...... BS? PLW From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 21:54:36 2000 From: John Lieberman To: TeamZ3@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:56:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? GOOD question, Mark! And one that I've been asked several times over the past couple of years. This is an issue that we're trying to address from the Solo Safety Committee's standpoint. The rulebook is nebulous, at best, when it comes to defining this question. The only reference to age is contained in Section 2.1.N at the top of page 51 when it says: "Children under twelve (12) years of age and pets shall be prohibited in the staging, grid, start/finish and course areas. Drivers from eight (8) to twelve (12) years of age who are participating in an approved Junior Driver program under the requirements of Appendix I are exempt from this prohibition during their run group." If you take a very literal interpretation of that rule, it says that course workers can be 8-years-old and above. We, on the other hand, feel that course workers should be at least 16 years of age. And we're working on a wording change to affect that. Our reasoning is that a 16-year-old should, at least, have a driver's license or a learner's permit. With that in hand, he or she should at least have some knowledge of what really goes on when you're out on the highway. PLUS, a 16-year-old SHOULD have a little bit better attention span than a 12-year-old or, God forbid, an 8-year-old!!! I don't know what's going to come from our final rewrite effort on this rule but I certainly HOPE that it will restrict course workers to 16+. We, the members of the Solo Safety Committee, would certainly appreciate your (collective) input on this issue!! 8<{) John (Old Fartz & TLS #37) Lieberman TeamZ3@aol.com wrote: > > What is the rule, if any, regarding Formula Jr drivers and working the > course??? > > I'm assuming they are too young, but would like clarification. > > Mark Sipe > SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 21:56:53 2000 From: Matthew Carson To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:55:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? I have spent quite a bit of time at St. Therese with my job, most at the end of the line watching cars come off line. As far as the plant is concerned there is no difference between the SS and the WS6. (As a matter of fact the temporary hoods they put on WS6's say "SS") Neither gets a hood or airbox at the plant. Wheels and exhaust are put on at the plant. Both go to the same place to get upfitted and then return to St. Therese to get shipped. I do not know if SS's with "options" get sent somewhere else. -Matt >Thanks for the responses. So the technical answer at this time is NO! That is what I was looking for. I will let everyone else battle where the car belongs. I think we all agree it belongs in SS... if you look at the cars in the class... it belongs. If it is faster, the class should progress... just like GS, and AS have. Z06 is GM only, WS6, and SS leave "Reasonable Doubt" in the SEB's mind that they are "tuner specific" While the real answer is the SS is still SLP... but the '98 '99 and '00 WS6's are GM... they goto ASC for a hood & An airbox! There are no other "Tuner" options like the SS and Firehawk... but the SEB or SCAC is afraid to separate the cars! Some decision! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 22:29:28 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "matthew c. mead" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:21:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Solo II wheel rules help -----Original Message----- From: matthew c. mead To: autox mailing list Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 2:27 PM Subject: Solo II wheel rules help >This is sort of a followup and more general question I have after >reading about the Miata wheels. > >If the car I drive had the option of coming with different sized >wheels, can I substitute those with R compound for Solo II >competition, and remain within a stock class? What if those >optional wheels are larger? Smaller? Does it make a difference? As long as the wheels could have been ordered as an option (on the factory option list, not just some dealer decided to do it on his own) on the car when it was new, it's stock. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 22:47:01 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Pat Salerno" , Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:39:12 -0500 Subject: Re: NeDiv Speed Similar to drag racing, only the elapsed time really counts. Speed is good but doesn't guarantee a win eh. ;^) Eric (slo-poke) Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "I ask sir, who is the militia? It is the whole people... To disarm the people, that is the best and most effective way to enslave them..." - George Mason -----Original Message----- >Just confirming Tim's posting > >The big FS boys were clocked by the local law enforcement coming out of the >fast offsets between 72 and 75. > >The odd part is the guy who won ( in the great 1E package blue car with >T-tops and leather) was at 72 mph and the LS1 powered cars were at either 74 >or75......Hmmm. Speed doesn't matter? Does it? > >Pat >77 AS Boxster > >Holding my foot to the floor in third from the middle of the slalom before >the offsets. Having a soda waiting for that FS horsepower I used to have. > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 23:19:07 2000 From: Stephen Bernard To: EGFord@mazakcorp.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:14:27 -0400 Subject: Re: New Miata > So what is the consensus of the new Miata with more horsepower, 16" > wheels, and additional chassis bracing? It discourages me to have my > car become obsolete after owning it for a year and a half. Heck, I Hi Tony, I know how you feel my Miata is a tad over 1 year old and is not going to make it against the higher HP new Miata, and Poke'mon (Toyota) Spyder. So I do know how you feel. > haven't even learned how to really drive it well yet. A road racer > once told me if I was going to race that I should buy a proper race > car and forget running a stock class car and all the expense it > entails making it raceworthy. I'm inclined to believe him now. Is it Yep I'd have to agree that Stock class is the class to play in initially. If you like it, move onto S/Prepared or Mod since buying a new car every couple of years is not cheap. > any easier to run in a more rules-stable prepared or modified class? > Or does it just appear so to me? And monetarily, would I have been > better off to have gotten a decent dedicated race car (FM or CM?)? I've asked these same questions and the primary drawbacks seem to e having to trailer the car to events and seat time being limited to events since either Mod car is not street legal. F-Mod has the advantage of engines being required to be stock and the cost is very reasonable. It does help to get a Rotax engine tho. :) C-Mod is a lot more money if it breaks. > Although I'm not so sure that would be a good place to start out. > But then again, I'd have been slow as heck in anything starting out. > I really enjoy autocross and developing my skills as a driver, but > I'd like a shot at winning something someday without breaking the > bank. Any thoughts out there? It would be tough to develop skills in a mod car since you couldn't have a passenger critiqueing your driving. If you had the $$$ you could get into D-Mod with a Caterham 7 (aka Lotus Super 7) Price wise the F500's are the way to go, noisy tho. The cost is around $5K+ for something decent. Mark Sirota and a few others know more about C-Mod than I ever will. Buy in on a C-Mod Ford is higher with higher running costs. The F500 has a centrifugal clutch tho and if I can afford one that is what I will buy next year. YMMV... Steve Bernard Red '99 Miata (B-Stock) NER Region (Novice Class) mailto:Solo-2@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 10 23:45:59 2000 From: Raymond Gahan To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:50:41 -0500 Subject: Running order for 2 driver Cars @ Nationals Question about running order @Nationals. For a two driver car does it matter which driver has which numbers? Can the 1xx driver go after the xx driver (as long as consistent) ? Or do they have to run in numerical order? Ray Gahan cs34 fv34 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 00:01:52 2000 From: Ghsharp@aol.com To: johnlee@softdisk.com, TeamZ3@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:00:06 EDT Subject: Re: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? In a message dated 8/10/00 11:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnlee@softdisk.com writes: > The rulebook is nebulous, at best, when it comes to defining this > question. The only reference to age is contained in Section 2.1.N at > the top of page 51 when it says: "Children under twelve (12) years of > age and pets shall be prohibited in the staging, grid, start/finish > and course areas. Drivers from eight (8) to twelve (12) years of age > who are participating in an approved Junior Driver program under the > requirements of Appendix I are exempt from this prohibition during > their run group." My interpretation of this paragraph is that 8-12 year old Jr Drivers are "exempt from this prohibition during their run group" because when they are driving they obviously_have_to be in staging, grid, start/finish, and on the course. But this also implies that the prohibition still applies in heats other than the one in which they run, so they can't be a worker in any of those areas. This is the way the situation has been handled at Tours and ProSolo's, AFAIK. Perhaps we do need another sentence there to make it clearer that Jr Drivers aren't allowed to work in those areas, even though I think this rule already prohibits them from doing so. GH From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 00:30:57 2000 From: rohns@doitnow.com (Jim & Marilyn Rohn) To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:34:29 -0700 Subject: spam, 2000 M Coupe avail If anyone has a hot spot for a M Coupe, there is a very nice Dakar2 yellow/black one avail here in AZ It is fully sorted/prepared (3 way JRZ shocks, alignment, etc) 3000 miles extra set of OEM wheels with new Hoosier autox tires you can call the owner at 480-515-1590 I drove this car _once_ on bald/corded tires and nearly matched the hot Corvette times with a passenger. I'm certain I would've been able to match or beat the SS times with tires and another run or 2. Kind of a kewl car anyway. Jim Rohn From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 00:39:35 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: johnlee@softdisk.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:37:50 EDT Subject: Re: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? As pointed out to me, page 257 in the rulebook addresses FJr Driver Program and explains work restrictions Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 06:04:49 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: kcautox@egroups.com, autox-cm@autox.team.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:56:27 -0500 Subject: Scales and alignment platform I'm looking to buy a set of scales for my car. Does anyone know of any for sale? I also want to look at a good alignment platform. Does anyone have one that I could come look at?? I would be best if it was within 500 miles of Kansas City. If anyone has any info let me know. Even some really good pictures wouldn't hurt. Mike B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 06:26:31 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:24:00 EDT Subject: For thoses who asked about shirts....Evolution For those people who have asked for shirts throughout the year-go to the web at www.auotcross.com/mckameyschool and prices for the t-shirts, polos, tanks will be added. I will have some with me also at Peru and Nationals. Jean From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 06:28:33 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:26:16 -0400 Subject: Class Cost of Ownership (was: New Miata) Anthony Ford wrote: > It discourages me to have my car become > obsolete after owning it for a year and a half. Heck, I haven't even learned > how to really drive it well yet. A road racer once told me if I was going to > race that I should buy a proper race car and forget running a stock class > car and all the expense it entails making it raceworthy. Stock class is one of those double-edged swords: - If you need a new car, or have an existing car, and that car is competitive, then Stock class is really cheap, as you can't modify the car much, and you're already competitive. - If you have an existing marginally competitive car, or a competitive car in a deep field, then the costs to become truly competitive have the potential to be much more than one might infer from the restrictive nature of the rules. (Super shock development, buying tons of parts to select the ones with most favourable tolerences, having to stick to the strict letter of the factory shop manual on repairs, etc) - If you have an uncompetitive car, your only recourse is to buy a new car, which is the most expensive prospect of all. The Street Prepared / Modified sword is single-edged - You are allowed (for the most part) to modify your car to the point where it becomes competitive. - Every so often, someone raises the bar as to what "competitive" is. - Repeat. Depending on how fast that bar is being raised, you may get the opportunity to spend a bagload of money, but at the worst of times, the value of that bagload is many times smaller than the price of a new car. So I guess it comes down to this: do you want to spend your money in a constant stream, or in great big bursts every couple of years? Finally, I get the impression from your post that you're reasonably new to the sport. The single most common conceptual problem I see with newbies (and some veterans too, now that I think about it) is overestimating the importance of "car" and underestimating the importance of "driver". If you're worried about a 10HP difference and a minor reduction in chassis flex, you're probably worrying a little too much. DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 06:35:07 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: , , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:40:16 -0500 Subject: Des Moines Iowa, Tuesday, August 22? There is going to be a cosmic alignment in Des Moines on Tuesday, August 22. Bob Metz will be stopping overnight on his way west to Denver from the Lotus Owners Gathering in Ottawa. Phil Ethier will be stopping overnight on his way north, driving his TR4 to its new home in Saint Paul from its old home in San Antonio. This was not planned, but seems like a good opportunity for a sports-car get-together. So where can we meet in the evening for something to eat, some liquid refreshment and a whole lot of bench-racing with the local autocrossers and Britcar enthusiasts? Someplace with a parking lot where we can look at each other's cars. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban, and TR4 to come LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 06:48:04 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:45:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? John Lieberman wrote: > If you take a very literal interpretation of that rule, it says that > course workers can be 8-years-old and above. We, on the other hand, > feel that course workers should be at least 16 years of age. And > we're working on a wording change to affect that. Data point: At a Pro this year... might have been Ft Myers... CJ Sharp and I were assigned to work Pre-Grid. I don't remember the exact details, but somehow the work assignment got written that G Sharp Minor was in charge, and I was working for him. :) I'm a big fan of giving kids responsibility, so that's how we played it - CJ was in charge, and I did what he told me to do (and nothing else - that's how this little Life Lesson works :) Of course, I was surrupticiously keeping a close eye on him, and had things gotten either unsafe or seriously FUBAR I would have stepped in and resolved the problem, but for as long as he was doing his job properly and safely, he really _was_ the boss. And he did just fine. No problems at all. I don't remember his age, but it's less than 16. DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 06:45:50 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Phil Ethier" , , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:50:59 -0500 Subject: Joplin I wrote: >Monday night, looks like Joplin, MO is the place to be. Suggestions for >safe place for me and car? Where's the party? Nothing. Not a peep. Are there no autocrossers or Britcar folks in this neck of the woods? Are there any woods? Seriously, if Joplin is not a good place for car folk, I'm willing to reroute. So where should I stop essentially between Dallas and Des Moines? I suppose I could go the other way and go to Wichita instead. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 06:58:47 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:56:55 -0400 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: > Uhhhh - I had a radar gun, but I believe that Alan Sheidler was > operating it during the S/S competition at the Peru Tour. I had it during ESP, BS, EM, and AM(L?) on the first day. The MarcusMobile was doing 68, the McKamey V8 sprite-thingy was in the low 70's, and the AM car was like 82-83 or so. The Miatae were well off that. My datalogger (wheel speed sensor, so no accelerometer error *mutter*) reported a rev-limited 68 in the finish on Day 2. Had I shifted (or had another 300 RPM on the limiter) I might have seen a low 70. > Speed creep at events led to the current wording in the rulebook. > Is it happening again? Those speeds don't strike me as being all that fast.... What does the rulebook say? DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 08:06:37 2000 From: TomReichel To: Mike Bultemeier Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:06:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Scales and alignment platform Mike Bultemeier wrote: > I'm looking to buy a set of scales for my car. Does anyone know of any > for sale? Mike, I sell the MK Technologies setup platforms. www.mktechnologies.com I also sell Longacre, Intercomp and Rebco scales. Not sure about URL's. Not sure this info is up yet at my website. www.midatlanticmotorsport.com Regards, Tom Reichel 219-243-5553 > I also want to look at a good alignment platform. Does anyone have one > that I could come look at?? I would be best if it was within 500 miles > of Kansas City. If anyone > has any info let me know. Even some really good pictures wouldn't hurt. > > Mike B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 08:19:47 2000 From: "Paula Whitney" To: , , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:15:12 -0500 Subject: RE: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? Actually at ProSolos we use some of the older ones to work PreGrid and I have used one very fast and very bright young lady in Timing both as a timer and a radio operator(Christine Berry). My daughter started working in timing at a local level at about 6 or 7, now I never let her out of timing!! But by the letter of the law they are prohibited. Originally we used them for clean up and as help in registration. paula - Behalf Of Ghsharp@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:00 AM: My interpretation of this paragraph is that 8-12 year old Jr Drivers are "exempt from this prohibition during their run group" because when they are driving they obviously_have_to be in staging, grid, start/finish, and on the course. But this also implies that the prohibition still applies in heats other than the one in which they run, so they can't be a worker in any of those areas. This is the way the situation has been handled at Tours and ProSolo's, AFAIK. Perhaps we do need another sentence there to make it clearer that Jr Drivers aren't allowed to work in those areas, even though I think this rule already prohibits them from doing so. GH In a message dated 8/10/00 11:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnlee@softdisk.com writes: > The rulebook is nebulous, at best, when it comes to defining this > question. The only reference to age is contained in Section 2.1.N at > the top of page 51 when it says: "Children under twelve (12) years of > age and pets shall be prohibited in the staging, grid, start/finish > and course areas. Drivers from eight (8) to twelve (12) years of age > who are participating in an approved Junior Driver program under the > requirements of Appendix I are exempt from this prohibition during > their run group." From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 08:50:18 2000 From: Tom Maycock To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:48:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: New Miata On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Stephen Bernard wrote: > > So what is the consensus of the new Miata with more horsepower, 16" > > wheels, and additional chassis bracing? It discourages me to have my > > car become obsolete after owning it for a year and a half. Heck, I > > Hi Tony, I know how you feel my Miata is a tad over 1 year old > and is not going to make it against the higher HP new Miata, > and Poke'mon (Toyota) Spyder. So I do know how you feel. Guys: As Dennis said, don't over-estimate the importance of a few horsepower and other minor changes. Will the 2001 Miata be a "faster" car than a 99-00 model? Almost certainly. But not by much. If you are talking about winning a national championship, then, yes, you might _need_ to have a 2001 model next year. But if you're talking about being regionally competitive, having a shot at winning Divisional or National Tour-level events, and at least trophying at Nationals, then a 99-00 Miata certainly won't be obsolete IMHO. No one likes to leave the start line knowing they are at any sort of mechanical disadvantage whatsoever, but driver skill is so much more important, that such minor differences are not worth worrying about unless you are currently competing at the very top level of the sport. Didn't Tim Aro beat top-level competition at the Ayer's Tour in a borrowed, "obsolete", '94 Miata this year? There's a lesson in there somewhere... As for the MR2, there's a certain nationally-known Chicago area driver who's waiting for her's to be delivered, so we should start getting an idea of how quick they can be. Tom Maycock Chicago Region '99 10AE From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 09:25:55 2000 From: Chris Shepard To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:24:46 -0600 Subject: Solo III This is a revival of the topic "Solo participation too high" that died some time ago, but (hopefully) not a rehashing of the same issues. I attended a meeting of the CDR (RMDIV) region a few weeks ago and was surprised to hear that a fellow there actually _liked_ the huge events. He was into competition. More cars/ drivers to beat was a big thing for him. Quite an eye-opener for me, somebody who just likes the sport for the sake of the sport and doesn't _really_ care who wins. That encounter set me to thinking about the two very different mindsets involved, and how it's practically counterproductive to have Mr. Competitor and Mr. Purekicks running in the same event. I'm just "points fodder" for him, and his blood-lust attitude, to a certain extent, takes some of the fun out of it for me. So here's my proposal. I'm sure there's a zillion gotchas I haven't considered, so please be gentle... :) Solo III would be the same as Solo II with the following exceptions: 1 - Solo III wouldn't be points events. The computer wouldn't even have to bother PAXing times. No trophies given, no season-long standings. Pick up the cones, go home, forget that it ever happened (officially). 2 - The Solo II regs require, I believe, that course designers limit speeds to 70 mph. Solo III could drop that to 50 mph, and hopefully see a drop in insurance costs. 3 - The slower speeds would increase the number of viable (read: physically smaller) sites to choose from. 4 - Solo III would be a place where the SCCA admin could "play with" the classing structure (and any other sorts of rules/regs) without anybody getting bent out of shape, a la "try it in Solo III for a year (or one event?) and see how it works before making it official in Solo II". I guess what I've suggested here is a day of fun runs on pretty tight courses, where you pick up any "test rules" when you register. Or something like a driver's school without official instructors. Other people have suggested that the SCCA put on more events to help alleviate high attendance, and this proposal also implies more events, but adds a "less attractive" feature to both Solo II and Solo III for drivers with different mindsets. If there's a Solo III on Saturday, I'll be there to "get my fix", but may then forego Sunday and it's registration of 150+ truly competitive drivers. Those same competitors will see Saturday as "pure seat time on a nasty little course" and perhaps not bother running with "us little guys". Other possible differences between Solo III and Solo II: 1 - No racing tires (slicks) allowed in Solo III. This would really help level out the playing field for us "economically- challenged" types, and further "disinterest" competitive types. 2 - SCCA membership required for Solo II. If they're looking for regional/divisional standings, and headed for Nats, that's not too much to ask, and it'll keep most of the first-timers out of their hair...make their events run smoother. 3 - Make Solo III a tad cheaper than Solo II, maybe a $5 difference, or whatever savings it might enjoy from the reduced insurance and/or cheaper rent for smaller lots. Maybe "long days" could even be split into Solo II in the morning and Solo III after lunch, or vice versa...? (Separate registration and tech, yes.) Or, if a region has the staff, it could hold two completely different events (at different places) on the same day...that would _really_ solve the problem of high participation without interfering with points issues. And the "Official Solo III Rules" could be a page and a half in the existing Solo rule book, or just a handout. Just a two-cent idea...not meaning to step on anyone's toes. ;) -- Chris Shepard Bailey, Colorado SCCA FP Class '83 RX-7 http://www.unixbox.com/~maverick From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 09:47:08 2000 From: "ktm" To: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:50:13 -0700 Subject: Autox in VA/DC 8/13? Hi All, I'll be in the DC/Reston area Sunday and noticed that there might be an event or two in the general area. Does anyone have specifics on location/time, etc. in case I get a chance to go abuse a rental car? Thanks! Kevin McCormick 1997 GS Integra Type-R From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 09:46:28 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: pethier@isd.net, british-cars@autox.team.net, triumphs@autox.team.net, Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:44:40 EDT Subject: Re: Joplin In a message dated 8/11/2000 5:50:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pethier@isd.net writes: << Nothing. Not a peep. Are there no autocrossers or Britcar folks in this neck of the woods? Are there any woods? Seriously, if Joplin is not a good place for car folk, I'm willing to reroute. So where should I stop essentially between Dallas and Des Moines? >> When I went to school in Rolla, MO, I seem to remember there was a Joplin Sports Car Club. Of course that was many moons (Dick Berger joke) ago... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 09:50:22 2000 From: Dave Hillman To: ax-digest@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Co-Drive Standing Offer ( was re: New Miata ) Paul Zahornasky wrote... > I'm siding with Mark. In the long run, a CM or FM ride is probably much > less expensive to run. You don't need to give up your fun street car > either. You don't even need to tow with it. Just find someone that has > a Mod car and offer to split expenses to co-drive. Most CM and FM > drivers would love to have co-drivers. It means warm tires for them > every single time. Okay, here goes. If anyone is interested, I'll co-drive and split expenses in Mod or elsewhere. I'm near Chicago. I'm currently autocrossing a 2000 Subaru Legacy GT wagon. I only mention that because it's rated to tow 1 ton, and would make a fine support vehicle. If I can sell my current trailer, I could wedge an FM car and small trailer in the garage too. Other storage possibilities too. For that matter, last event I was gridded next to an FMod, and the driver and I wondered if it would fit *in* the wagon. This year, next year, everything is negotiable. -- D a v i d H i l l m a n hillman@planet-torque.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 09:57:42 2000 From: "Richard Atkins" To: "'Chris Shepard'" , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:12:49 -0500 Subject: RE: Solo III And who would put these on? In our region the people who put on the regionals are the competitors, we don't have a hired staff (who does), this would mean the SAME people (at least for safety, tech, timing, course design, etc) would need to go to two events per month. Burn out? The topic had been about NT events and maybe some pro's not about regional events, I doubt that many regions have teh problem of too many competitors, I could be wrong on that but I run with 3-4 regions and none of them have too many at local events. If the SCCA (Denver) wants to put on these type of events let them but I doubt that you will see many regions that want to have two programs. The exception might be really big regions. Most regions have some events at the start of the year where we don't count for year end, no trophies, etc. We call them "test and tune" or "fun" events. We even have some "fun" events at end of year. -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Chris Shepard Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 10:25 AM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Solo III This is a revival of the topic "Solo participation too high" that died some time ago, but (hopefully) not a rehashing of the same issues. I attended a meeting of the CDR (RMDIV) region a few weeks ago and was surprised to hear that a fellow there actually _liked_ the huge events. He was into competition. More cars/ drivers to beat was a big thing for him. Quite an eye-opener for me, somebody who just likes the sport for the sake of the sport and doesn't _really_ care who wins. That encounter set me to thinking about the two very different mindsets involved, and how it's practically counterproductive to have Mr. Competitor and Mr. Purekicks running in the same event. I'm just "points fodder" for him, and his blood-lust attitude, to a certain extent, takes some of the fun out of it for me. So here's my proposal. I'm sure there's a zillion gotchas I haven't considered, so please be gentle... :) Solo III would be the same as Solo II with the following exceptions: 1 - Solo III wouldn't be points events. The computer wouldn't even have to bother PAXing times. No trophies given, no season-long standings. Pick up the cones, go home, forget that it ever happened (officially). 2 - The Solo II regs require, I believe, that course designers limit speeds to 70 mph. Solo III could drop that to 50 mph, and hopefully see a drop in insurance costs. 3 - The slower speeds would increase the number of viable (read: physically smaller) sites to choose from. 4 - Solo III would be a place where the SCCA admin could "play with" the classing structure (and any other sorts of rules/regs) without anybody getting bent out of shape, a la "try it in Solo III for a year (or one event?) and see how it works before making it official in Solo II". I guess what I've suggested here is a day of fun runs on pretty tight courses, where you pick up any "test rules" when you register. Or something like a driver's school without official instructors. Other people have suggested that the SCCA put on more events to help alleviate high attendance, and this proposal also implies more events, but adds a "less attractive" feature to both Solo II and Solo III for drivers with different mindsets. If there's a Solo III on Saturday, I'll be there to "get my fix", but may then forego Sunday and it's registration of 150+ truly competitive drivers. Those same competitors will see Saturday as "pure seat time on a nasty little course" and perhaps not bother running with "us little guys". Other possible differences between Solo III and Solo II: 1 - No racing tires (slicks) allowed in Solo III. This would really help level out the playing field for us "economically- challenged" types, and further "disinterest" competitive types. 2 - SCCA membership required for Solo II. If they're looking for regional/divisional standings, and headed for Nats, that's not too much to ask, and it'll keep most of the first-timers out of their hair...make their events run smoother. 3 - Make Solo III a tad cheaper than Solo II, maybe a $5 difference, or whatever savings it might enjoy from the reduced insurance and/or cheaper rent for smaller lots. Maybe "long days" could even be split into Solo II in the morning and Solo III after lunch, or vice versa...? (Separate registration and tech, yes.) Or, if a region has the staff, it could hold two completely different events (at different places) on the same day...that would _really_ solve the problem of high participation without interfering with points issues. And the "Official Solo III Rules" could be a page and a half in the existing Solo rule book, or just a handout. Just a two-cent idea...not meaning to step on anyone's toes. ;) -- Chris Shepard Bailey, Colorado SCCA FP Class '83 RX-7 http://www.unixbox.com/~maverick From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 10:02:40 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:00:44 EDT Subject: Anyone on the RX7 List??? Hi- Is anyone on tdn also on the RX7 list? I need a favor... Charlie Davis From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 10:07:03 2000 From: "Jay Mitchell" To: "Chris Shepard" , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:04:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Solo III Chris Shepard wrote: > I attended a meeting of the CDR (RMDIV) region a few weeks > ago and was surprised to hear that a fellow there actually > _liked_ the huge events. Why the surprise? What is your definition of "huge?" > Quite an eye-opener > for me, somebody who just likes the sport for the sake of the > sport and doesn't _really_ care who wins. Hold that thought. We'll be returning to it later. > That encounter set me to thinking about the two very different > mindsets involved, and how it's practically counterproductive > to have Mr. Competitor and Mr. Purekicks running in the same > event. I think this is where you're mistaken. You're attempting to reduce what a continuum of attitudes to simple polar opposites. There's a spectrum here, not a binary state. > I'm just "points fodder" for him, Or not. If you're not pressing him, you probably aren't on his radar. He's watching the guys who're a real threat to catch him, not the "just for fun, don't care about times" contingent. > and his blood-lust > attitude, to a certain extent, takes some of the fun out of > it for me. If your earlier statement is really true, and you're just "somebody who just likes the sport for the sake of the sport and doesn't _really_ care who wins," then how can you be bothered by the attitude of a more serious competitor? Why not run and just don't compare your times to those of other folks? > 1 - Solo III wouldn't be points events. The computer wouldn't > even have to bother PAXing times. No trophies given, no > season-long standings. Pick up the cones, go home, forget > that it ever happened (officially). Lots of regions already have non-points events. > 2 - The Solo II regs require, I believe, that course designers > limit speeds to 70 mph. Solo III could drop that to 50 mph, and > hopefully see a drop in insurance costs. There's nothing to prevent a region from implementing this on their own. In my experience, a disproportionate number of the "just for kicks" types also like the faster courses, though. > 3 - The slower speeds would increase the number of viable > (read: physically smaller) sites to choose from. For many regions, this isn't a matter of choice. If you wanna run events, you have to run on what's available. The idea that you get to "choose" a site is, for many regions, a myth. > 4 - Solo III would be a place where the SCCA admin could > "play with" the classing structure (and any other sorts of > rules/regs) without anybody getting bent out of shape, a la > "try it in Solo III for a year (or one event?) and see how > it works before making it official in Solo II". If there are no results, how do you know if a change worked out? And, if, as you suggest, you codify tighter, slower courses, any results you do get will be of very limited value. > I guess what I've suggested here is a day of fun runs on > pretty tight courses, where you pick up any "test rules" when > you register. There's nothing to prevent this happening now. I suggest floating the proposal with your region and see how it's received. > Or something like a driver's school without > official instructors. Or a "test and tune." Again, this sort of thing is done all the time now. The rules as they sit are no impediment to it. > Other people have suggested that the SCCA put on more events > to help alleviate high attendance, So far, it isn't apparent to me that _too_many_ competitors is a widespread problem with Solo II. It's happened in a very few regions and at two or three Tours this year. Hardly a justification for sweeping changes, IMHO. > and this proposal also > implies more events, but adds a "less attractive" feature > to both Solo II and Solo III for drivers with different mindsets. As I pointed out above, there are more than two possible mindsets wrt Solo II. For all I know, you may be a good enough driver that some of your competitors consider you the "serious" type. How many ways can we afford to parse things to accommodate all the possibilites? > If there's a Solo III on Saturday, I'll be there to "get my > fix", but may then forego Sunday and it's registration of 150+ > truly competitive drivers. Or, maybe you could suggest a preregistration option to your region to help reduce the time required at the site. Or (if you're not already), you can volunteer to help out with registration and speed things up that way. > Those same competitors will see > Saturday as "pure seat time on a nasty little course" and > perhaps not bother running with "us little guys". If you "don't care who wins," why would it bother you if they run with the "little guys?" I don't share your concerns. However, if you can sell your concept to your region, there's nothing to prevent them implementing all your suggestions now. Codifying it into the National rules isn't required or desirable, IMO. Jay From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 10:21:07 2000 From: Chris Shepard To: Richard Atkins Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:20:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Solo III Richard Atkins wrote: > > And who would put these on? > In our region the people who put on the regionals are the competitors, we > don't have a hired staff (who does), this would mean the SAME people (at > least for safety, tech, timing, course design, etc) would need to go to two > events per month. > Burn out? > Agreed. Timing and course layout might be done by "less-qualified" individuals, tho. In support of something like Solo III, I'd certainly get more involved in things and try to get up to speed as a chief of tech or safety, or something. I don't think I'd be the only one, either. > > The topic had been about NT events and maybe some pro's not about regional > events, I doubt that many regions have teh problem of too many competitors, > I could be wrong on that but I run with 3-4 regions and none of them have > too many at local events. > Right here in Denver/Colorado Springs, we have exactly that problem. At least, I see registration of 175+ cars as a problem. Our chiefs do a dynamite job of running large events, but I know I'm not the only driver around who'd prefer to not spend 10 hours in a parking lot to get 3 minutes of seat time. > > If the SCCA (Denver) wants to put on these type of events let them but I > doubt that you will see many regions that want to have two programs. The > exception might be really big regions. > I forgot to mention that I was thinking on a regional level, sorry. > > Most regions have some events at the start of the year where we don't count > for year end, no trophies, etc. We call them "test and tune" or "fun" > events. We even have some "fun" events at end of year. > Even some of us "non-competitive" types still have a burning passion for the sport, and want more than three or four events a year. My first-ever event was on April 15, and in less than four months I have four driver's schools and 14 races under my belt (not all SCCA, of course). I think nothing of driving 500 miles to an event, but it'd be nice to have more local opportunities. As I said, it was just two cents...appears not to have been worth much more than that, either. ;) Thanks for the feedback. -- Chris Shepard Bailey, Colorado SCCA FP Class '83 RX-7 http://www.unixbox.com/~maverick From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 10:46:25 2000 From: Bradley Lamont To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:45:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Solo III At 11:20 AM 8/11/00, Chris Shepard said: > > Even some of us "non-competitive" types still have a burning > passion for the sport, and want more than three or four events > a year. I guess we're just lucky here in Chicago. I'm getting close to burn-out level from the amount of racing I've done this summer. Let's see: Apr 3 - SCCA regional event Apr 16 - Tri-state Sports Car council regional event May 7 - SCCA event May 14 - TSSCC event May 21/22 - SCCA ProSolo June 11 - TSSCC event June 18 - SCCA event June 25 - TSSCC event July 1/2 - SCCA National Tour July 9 - SCCA event July 16 - TSSCC event July 30 - TSSCC event Aug 5/6 - CenDiv event Aug 12/13 - SCCA Divisional Championship Aug 27 - TSSCC event Sept 3 - SCCA event Sept 9-15 - SCCA National Championship Oct 1 - TSSCC event Oct 8 - SCCA event Oct 21/22 - SCCA event A total of 20 events. And that's just the ones I attended. All except the "big" events were within 2 hours of Chicago. The "big" events were about 3 hours. There are also events going on at other area clubs. There are Milwaukee SCCA and WAI up in Milwaukee, Central Illinois SCCA, Indiana Northwest Region SCCA, and South Bend SCCA. Not to mention the CenDiv series (although the trips are a bit longer for some of them). Realistically, if I wanted to, I could probably find a race within 4 hours every Sunday between late April and early November. Talk about getting burned out though. Brad ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Lamont email: lamont@mailhost.org http://www.mailhost.org/~lamont From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 10:51:09 2000 From: jon e prevo To: maverick@purplemtn.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:45:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Solo III Wasnt going to comment... I think what you need to do is start yourself an autocross club. In Texas Region we have: SCCA Solo 2 - the most competitive autocross game in town. All the big boys come out, season points races are fierce, regional pride is almost holy at Divisional races, Nationals is the hot topic from March on through the season. Equipe Rapide - slightly less competitive, more relaxed, more friendly. Many of the big boys come out but not all, lots of folks, especially y u p types come to these and not SCCA races. Competition is still the watchword and we try to stay pretty close to Solo 2 rules. Porsche club, Corvette club, BMW club, CFCC, etc. - all put on various types of autocross type events with varying rules and classes. These clubs are much more laid back because the members are more interested in their cars than in competition. Their courses also tend to be much faster and less challenging than either of the two dedicated autocross clubs. Face it, we autocross because we love to compete in our cars. If you just want to drive around, Solo 2 is not for you. Jon FP 73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 11:13:28 2000 From: Chris Shepard To: jon e prevo Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:12:23 -0600 Subject: Re: Solo III Yep, you're right. Start my own. I wanna race every Saturday and every Sunday of every weekend all year 'round, rain, snow, ice, whatever, and get at least ten runs every day. Blowing smoke at the SCCA ain't the way to go, is it? I was in one of the local marque clubs (Vette), and you're right that they're more interested in their cars than anything else. My interest is just learning how to drive, how to improve my skills, so maybe Solo II isn't for me, but until I start my own club, it's where I can get the most seat time. I'll go away now and be quiet and just sit in the sun all day, waiting for those precious seat-seconds. ;) Just out of curiosity, how many other FP cars do you have in Texas? jon e prevo wrote: > > Wasnt going to comment... > > I think what you need to do is start yourself an autocross club. In > Texas Region we have: > > SCCA Solo 2 - the most competitive autocross game in town. All the big > boys come out, season points races are fierce, regional pride is almost > holy at Divisional races, Nationals is the hot topic from March on > through the season. > > Equipe Rapide - slightly less competitive, more relaxed, more friendly. > Many of the big boys come out but not all, lots of folks, especially y u > p types come to these and not SCCA races. Competition is still the > watchword and we try to stay pretty close to Solo 2 rules. > > Porsche club, Corvette club, BMW club, CFCC, etc. - all put on various > types of autocross type events with varying rules and classes. These > clubs are much more laid back because the members are more interested in > their cars than in competition. Their courses also tend to be much > faster and less challenging than either of the two dedicated autocross > clubs. > > Face it, we autocross because we love to compete in our cars. If you > just want to drive around, Solo 2 is not for you. > > Jon FP 73 -- Chris Shepard Bailey, Colorado SCCA FP Class '83 RX-7 http://www.unixbox.com/~maverick From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 11:31:47 2000 From: jon e prevo To: maverick@purplemtn.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:27:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Solo III On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:12:23 -0600 Chris Shepard writes: > > Yep, you're right. Start my own. I wanna race every Saturday > and every Sunday of every weekend all year 'round, rain, snow, > ice, whatever, and get at least ten runs every day. Blowing smoke > at the SCCA ain't the way to go, is it? > I'll go away now and be quiet and just sit in the sun all day, > waiting for those precious seat-seconds. ;) Now, don't get bitter. I just don't think what you are suggesting is in the least realistic, plus I tried to offer you the options which I think would fit your personal agenda. I am secretary of the Equipe Rapide club here and let me tell you, administering a club is a HUGE undertaking. What you seem to be asking is for your local administration to do their jobs twice? NEVER gonna happen. They are having a hard enough time getting enough people to do it once, trust me on that. > Just out of curiosity, how many other FP cars do you have in Texas? That is a good question. At the National Tour in Fort Worth I think there were 6 cars, not including mine, and 3 of them had at least 2 drivers each (I say at least because there were some EPL entries but I don't know how many). That is not a reliable count, because Texas is a big state and lots of people don't make an up-to 12 hour driver to come to the tour. At the Texas Region SW Divisional there were 4 FP cars and 8 drivers. Jon FP 73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 13:12:20 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Team.net'" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:56:50 -0700 Subject: steel race wheels? I know there are a couple of different companies out there making steel race wheels. Have any of you used those? Do they make 17"X9.5"? Just kidding, I am looking for a new set of wheels for my trailer and they are 13"X5.5". I want a set of basic Chrome Mods. I got a set from Discount tire only to find they are rated to 1100lbs each, that is a bit on the low side. My only choice right now is to go up to 14" wheels, but that means buy new tires and then I can not open the doors on the vette when it is on the trailer. I though if these guys are making race versions of these wheels perhaps they beef them up a bit. If someone has phone numbers for these places that would be great. On the other hand that new RX7 is 500lbs lighter than the vette, hmmm. :) Thanks Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 13:32:38 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: "Isley, Jason C." Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:23:52 -0500 Subject: Re: steel race wheels? I would start at one of the trailer supply places. One of them is sure to have what your looking for. Mike B. "Isley, Jason C." wrote: > I know there are a couple of different companies out there making > steel race wheels. Have any of you used those? > Do they make 17"X9.5"? Just kidding, I am looking for a new set of > wheels for my trailer and they are 13"X5.5". I want a set of basic Chrome > Mods. > I got a set from Discount tire only to find they are rated to > 1100lbs each, that is a bit on the low side. My only choice right now is to > go up to 14" wheels, but that means buy new tires and then I can not open > the doors on the vette when it is on the trailer. > I though if these guys are making race versions of these wheels > perhaps they beef them up a bit. If someone has phone numbers for these > places that would be great. > On the other hand that new RX7 is 500lbs lighter than the vette, > hmmm. :) > > Thanks > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 13:41:44 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: chuck@decaturnet.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:39:22 EDT Subject: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) In a message dated 8/9/2000 4:01:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, chuck@decaturnet.com writes: << It doesn't matter to me, Us RX-7 guys will still have fun killing them in our 5-7 year old jap cars with 78% less displacement... >> Well, that's interesting math... Shouldn't a 13B really be considered a 3900cc motor, after all there are 3 chambers per rotor... 654cc X 6 chambers = 3924cc, then X 1.4 for turbocharging = 5494cc. In a 2800 lb car... Hmmmm... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 13:44:17 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: chuck@decaturnet.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:42:07 EDT Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? In a message dated 8/9/2000 5:25:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, chuck@decaturnet.com writes: << Likewise if you drive to Canada the SS and WS6 come off the line that way too... >> When they were first built, they did go across the street to SLP, then return to the assembly plant. That made them a "tuner" car. CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 13:45:26 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: Mike Bultemeier , , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:45:06 -0700 Subject: Re: steel race wheels? Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley said > On the other hand that new RX7 is 500lbs lighter than the vette, > hmmm. :) Was the hmmm an intentional pun? On a Freudian level, there's something horrible wrong with guys who drive cars without pistons :-) ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 13:47:57 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Bill Ozinga'" , Mike Bultemeier , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:34:41 -0700 Subject: RE: steel race wheels? Then I must be ok, I only got to drive it once, my wife does not know how to share... ;( -----Original Message----- From: Bill Ozinga [mailto:oz@tirerack.com] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 2:45 PM To: Mike Bultemeier; jason.isley@alltel.com; Team.Net Subject: Re: steel race wheels? Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley said > On the other hand that new RX7 is 500lbs lighter than the vette, > hmmm. :) Was the hmmm an intentional pun? On a Freudian level, there's something horrible wrong with guys who drive cars without pistons :-) ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 13:47:01 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: phax@onelist.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:45:18 EDT Subject: Re: [phax] Who's going to Nationals? At 02:59 PM 8/9/00 -0400, you wrote: >Okay, now that Divisionals is past, it's time to be thinking about >Nationals. Who's going? I am. CP 174, keeping Scott Spangenberg's tires warm. Charlie Davis From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 13:57:49 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:56:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [phax] Who's going to Nationals? Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: >> Okay, now that Divisionals is past, it's time to be thinking about >> Nationals. Who's going? > > I am. CP 174, keeping Scott Spangenberg's tires warm. Okay, folks, this message was originally posted only to the Philadephia area mailing list. Eric Moon unfortunately cross-posted his reply to Team.Net. Please don't reply to this. Wait until Rocky's annual call. Thank you. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 14:06:07 2000 From: Nicholas Horton To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:01:13 -0400 Subject: RE: Autox in VA/DC 8/13? SUNDAY, AUGUST 13, 2000 HARRY GROVE STADIUM IN FREDERICK, MARYLAND Registration opens 8:00am. Five 30 Car Heats: Earliest Heat Starting Times are 9:00, 10:30, 12:00, 1:30 and 3:00. Entry Fee: $16 For SCCA Members and $20 For Non-Members. All entrants will be REQUIRED to work during the event. Each Heat will be separated into two groups. Group A will work when Group B runs and Group B will work when Group A runs. > -----Original Message----- > From: ktm [mailto:ktm@unify.com] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:50 AM > To: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Autox in VA/DC 8/13? > > > Hi All, > > I'll be in the DC/Reston area Sunday and noticed that there > might be an > event or two in the general area. Does anyone have specifics on > location/time, etc. in case I get a chance to go abuse a rental car? > > Thanks! > > Kevin McCormick > 1997 GS Integra Type-R > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 14:15:11 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: "Isley, Jason C." , "'Team.net'" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:15:11 -0500 Subject: Re: steel race wheels? I am using Diamond Racing Wheels (www.diamondracingwheels.com) but there stuff is NOT DOT approved. I have also gotten them in the past from Fast Wheels out of Tulsa, OK. I can't find the number, but you can use information to get it. I don't remember if their stuff was DOT or not. Hope this helps Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Team.net'" Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: steel race wheels? > I know there are a couple of different companies out there making > steel race wheels. Have any of you used those? > Do they make 17"X9.5"? Just kidding, I am looking for a new set of > wheels for my trailer and they are 13"X5.5". I want a set of basic Chrome > Mods. > I got a set from Discount tire only to find they are rated to > 1100lbs each, that is a bit on the low side. My only choice right now is to > go up to 14" wheels, but that means buy new tires and then I can not open > the doors on the vette when it is on the trailer. > I though if these guys are making race versions of these wheels > perhaps they beef them up a bit. If someone has phone numbers for these > places that would be great. > On the other hand that new RX7 is 500lbs lighter than the vette, > hmmm. :) > > Thanks > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 14:19:18 2000 From: "Donn Sundeen" To: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:20:08 -0400 Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) Jeff wrote > Lets not forget every chamber fires once per revolution not every other > revolution like a 4 stroke piston engine > So in reality it is like 654cc X 12 that's 7848cc regardless of turbo > charging that is one inefficient motor only putting out > 250hp from almost 8 liters. > > Jeff I'm thinking that stuffing 7848cc in such a small and light package is extreamly efficient Donn From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 14:11:29 2000 From: "Chuck McMillion" To: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:11:00 -0500 Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) um, no Displacemnt is measured by the volume of "open"space in the epichrod with the rotor in it. They displace 654 cc per rotor (13B) multipling by 1.4 is merely a tool used by the SCCA to specify Pressure charged cars vs Naturally aspirated. It isn't the Rotaries fault that a Piston engine is inferious by basic design (some comapies have come in leaps and bound in Pston engine technology ie Honda VTEC) there are three rotor faces, but the displacment between them is still 654cc (divide that by 3 and that is the per rotor face volume.) you are mutiplying it by 9 in your calculations You aren'y being pugniable about all this are you? I am not, i am simply trying to help you understand the rotary from a rotorhed. Take it easy, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 2:39 PM Subject: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) > In a message dated 8/9/2000 4:01:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > chuck@decaturnet.com writes: > > << It doesn't matter to me, Us RX-7 guys will still have fun killing them in > our 5-7 year old jap cars with 78% less displacement... >> > > Well, that's interesting math... Shouldn't a 13B really be considered a > 3900cc motor, after all there are 3 chambers per rotor... 654cc X 6 chambers > = 3924cc, then X 1.4 for turbocharging = 5494cc. In a 2800 lb car... > Hmmmm... > > CHD > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 14:21:30 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:19:39 PDT Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) (thumbing through Lewis Carroll books to find "inferious" and "pugniable"!) KeS >From: "Chuck McMillion" >Reply-To: "Chuck McMillion" >To: >Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) >Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:11:00 -0500 > >um, >no > > Displacemnt is measured by the volume of "open"space in the >epichrod >with the rotor in it. > >They displace 654 cc per rotor (13B) >multipling by 1.4 is merely a tool used by the SCCA to specify Pressure >charged cars vs Naturally aspirated. > >It isn't the Rotaries fault that a Piston engine is inferious by basic >design (some comapies have come in leaps and bound in Pston engine >technology ie Honda VTEC) > >there are three rotor faces, but the displacment between them is still >654cc (divide that by 3 and that is the per rotor face volume.) you are >mutiplying it by 9 in your calculations > >You aren'y being pugniable about all this are you? >I am not, i am simply trying to help you understand the rotary from a >rotorhed. > >Take it easy, >Chuck ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 14:06:06 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: , , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:09:09 -0400 Subject: RE: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) Lets not forget every chamber fires once per revolution not every other revolution like a 4 stroke piston engine So in reality it is like 654cc X 12 that's 7848cc regardless of turbo charging that is one inefficient motor only putting out 250hp from almost 8 liters. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Smokerbros@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 3:39 PM To: chuck@decaturnet.com; autox@autox.team.net Subject: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) In a message dated 8/9/2000 4:01:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, chuck@decaturnet.com writes: << It doesn't matter to me, Us RX-7 guys will still have fun killing them in our 5-7 year old jap cars with 78% less displacement... >> Well, that's interesting math... Shouldn't a 13B really be considered a 3900cc motor, after all there are 3 chambers per rotor... 654cc X 6 chambers = 3924cc, then X 1.4 for turbocharging = 5494cc. In a 2800 lb car... Hmmmm... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 14:18:51 2000 From: SVPViper@aol.com To: , , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:16:15 EDT Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? They come off the line Marked as SS with temporary hoods because they will be shipped to the respective company for new hood fitting. The SS cars go to SLP... for any Y2Y options. That is the grey area for that car. However the WS6 only goes to ASC (in Canada) for hood & airbox fitting. Then back to St. Therese for final inspection. See ya, Dave << Likewise if you drive to Canada the SS and WS6 come off the line that way too... >> When they were first built, they did go across the street to SLP, then return to the assembly plant. That made them a "tuner" car. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 14:35:42 2000 From: jon e prevo To: kevin_stevens@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:30:40 -0500 Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:19:39 PDT "Kevin Stevens" writes: > (thumbing through Lewis Carroll books to find "inferious" and > "pugniable"!) > Don't let yourself get "slithy" or you may end up "outgrabe" Jon FP 73(a shitload faster than stock) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 14:42:54 2000 From: Snapspinnr@aol.com To: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:41:13 EDT Subject: RE: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) If you count every chamber then doesn't a corvette motor become 8 x 5.7 or 45.6 liters? >Lets not forget every chamber fires once per >revolution not every other revolution like a 4 stroke >piston engine. So in reality it is like 654cc X 12 >that's 7848cc regardless of turbo charging that is one >inefficient motor only putting out 250hp from almost 8 >liters. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 14:52:28 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:57:37 -0400 Subject: RE: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) >From thesaurus.com http://www.thesaurus.com/cgi-bin/search?config=roget&words=inferious and http://www.thesaurus.com/cgi-bin/search?config=roget&words=pugniable As you can see we are making up words again, see it's the rotor head's way of making us all feel stupid HA Jeff Lloyd (and the bimmer goes boing boing boing) Computer Modeling my new motor for SM2 ~300hp from 2litres on pump gas, and no "apex" seals or millions of vacuum hoses Just two little sequential turbochargers and four bumping pistons WOOSH!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Stevens Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 4:20 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Cc: smokerbros@aol.com Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) (thumbing through Lewis Carroll books to find "inferious" and "pugniable"!) KeS >From: "Chuck McMillion" >Reply-To: "Chuck McMillion" >To: >Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) >Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:11:00 -0500 > >um, >no > > Displacemnt is measured by the volume of "open"space in the >epichrod >with the rotor in it. > >They displace 654 cc per rotor (13B) >multipling by 1.4 is merely a tool used by the SCCA to specify Pressure >charged cars vs Naturally aspirated. > >It isn't the Rotaries fault that a Piston engine is inferious by basic >design (some comapies have come in leaps and bound in Pston engine >technology ie Honda VTEC) > >there are three rotor faces, but the displacment between them is still >654cc (divide that by 3 and that is the per rotor face volume.) you are >mutiplying it by 9 in your calculations > >You aren'y being pugniable about all this are you? >I am not, i am simply trying to help you understand the rotary from a >rotorhed. > >Take it easy, >Chuck ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 14:55:38 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: Jeff Lloyd , "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:55:48 -0700 Subject: Z3 in EP? Was: New Miata > We will have to see, I am also a b-stocker and I'm finally getting a leg up > on the current crop of Hiroshiman Roadsters, If they get 16x7 inch wheels > there might be a problem, can you imagine a miata with 245/45/16 Hoosier > autocross compound :-O but I'm figuring this may hurt the gearing also, now > a 6speed 10ae is geared a bit low for large national courses, this might be > their answer. > > If that happens then I might have to stay home on Sundays, or move to > prepared once and for all Jeff, You keep complaining about your car being misclassed against the Miata's and threatening to go to EP. Do you have any idea how many cubic dollars you'd have to throw at the car to even be close to the Honda's? Of course, then you'd be complaining that your car should go to DP. I've run against John Thomas. Once of the nicest guys in the world, but I doubt you could pick a more difficult class to win in any car. There's a reason for his winning streak in KS. I bet Tom Lombardo (the car owner) and everyone else in the class will back me up on this one. Choose one... "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em". (Buy a Miata?) "If you can't beat 'em, have fun anyway". "If you can't beat 'em, complain alot." If you choose the last one, do it quietly :-) One statement you made surprised me. > I'm finally getting a leg up > on the current crop of Hiroshiman Roadsters This had me confused, then I thought of how a boy dog would "get a leg up." Now I understand - it was a joke. But doesn't your competition get a little "pissed?" Bill Ozinga - oz@tirerack.com I wear Nomex to work on Fridays, can you tell? From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 15:15:45 2000 From: jon e prevo To: oz@tirerack.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:10:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Z3 in EP? Was: New Miata Is that allowed under Tire Rack's "business casual" policy? Jon FP 73 On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:55:48 -0700 Bill Ozinga writes: > Bill Ozinga - oz@tirerack.com > I wear Nomex to work on Fridays, can you tell? > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 15:21:27 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: jon e prevo , "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:21:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Z3 in EP? Was: New Miata > Is that allowed under Tire Rack's "business casual" policy? > > Jon FP 73 > > On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:55:48 -0700 Bill Ozinga writes: >> I wear Nomex to work on Fridays, can you tell? I hate to use the really obvious answer, but... Only if you have a really big tirerack.com window sticker on your car :-) ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 15:25:31 2000 From: Dave Hillman To: ax-digest@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Chicago Area Schedule ( was re: Solo III ) Bradley Lamont wrote... > Realistically, if I wanted to, I could probably find a race within 4 > hours every Sunday between late April and early November. Talk about > getting burned out though. According the schedule I try to keep up to date; this year there were 3 open weekends with no autocrossing within about a 3 hour drive of Chicago between late March and Halloween. And one was Easter Sunday. I have counted as many as 8 simultaneous events. I only search the Internet and my mailbox for this information, so I may have missed a few. http://planet-torque.com/sche.html 'On any Sunday' -- D a v i d H i l l m a n hillman@planet-torque.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 15:41:12 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Bill Ozinga" , "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:46:18 -0400 Subject: RE: Z3 in EP? Was: New Miata That's all right as long as the miata's all have to run on firestones, It's a plot Eric is right,,,,, Miata -- Built in Hiroshima imported to the US The last thing we imported to Hiroshima ticked :) I guess next time we will need to use a bigger bomb Jeff Lloyd Weren't the RX7's built in the Hiroshima plant too??? And they disgrace the best America has to offer, either it's poetic justice Or a PLOT with all this talk about the Miata RX7 and firestones hummmm Eric????, are the Canadians involved??? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Ozinga [mailto:oz@tirerack.com] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 6:56 PM To: Jeff Lloyd; Team.Net Subject: Z3 in EP? Was: New Miata Jeff, You keep complaining about your car being misclassed against the Miata's and threatening to go to EP. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 15:42:06 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: oz@tirerack.com, tcbracer@juno.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:40:15 PDT Subject: Re: Z3 in EP? Was: New Miata >Only if you have a really big tirerack.com window sticker on your car :-) Is there any other kind? ;) KeS ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 15:47:43 2000 From: "Jason S." To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:46:08 CDT Subject: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. Do any of you use or have you used the Pittsburgh brand of tools sold in many places including Harbor Freight? I need some new hand tools. I know you get what you pay for and quality tools really make a job easier but will I really notice the difference between these tools and the likes of Craftsman, SK, Snap On, etc. Are the higher priced tools that much better or more durable? Please pass along some opinions as I need to replace some really cheap inherited tools and beef up on my collection of quality tools. Thanks, Jason S. 87' Honda CRX 36DP - Fun at the track weekend car 94' Honda Del Sol Si - Fun in the sun weekend car 91' Pontiac Grand Am Le - Uninspiring commuter car ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 16:10:35 2000 From: Stephen Bernard To: tmaycock@interaccess.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:51:29 -0400 Subject: Re: New Miata > As Dennis said, don't over-estimate the importance of a few > horsepower and > other minor changes. Will the 2001 Miata be a "faster" car than a > 99-00 model? Almost certainly. But not by much. I had thought the main point was Prepared/Mod versus Stock from a cost perspective Mod cars are cheaper. My Miata is my daily driver so while I will grant that an extra 10 HP is an asset it's worth more to a skilled driver than someone of my caliber. :) However a skilled driver is going to clean my clock anyway and cost effectiveness has me leaning toward a Mod car. Sure I'm going to get beaten there as well but I'll have more fun for less outlay and even an older F440 can be quite competitive in F-Mod since the differences are fairly negligible especially when compared to stock class cars. > If you are talking about winning a national championship, then, yes, > you > might _need_ to have a 2001 model next year. But if you're talking > about > being regionally competitive, having a shot at winning Divisional or > National Tour-level events, and at least trophying at Nationals, > then a 99-00 Miata certainly won't be obsolete IMHO. You would have to be one heckuva good driver tho, since the BS/CS Miata class has very competitive drivers in it even regionally. > Didn't Tim Aro beat top-level competition at the Ayer's Tour in a > borrowed, "obsolete", '94 Miata this year? There's a lesson in there > somewhere... Experience does help out more than the car but I know once I'm out of Novice class it'll be a few years before I can come close to the times set by the guys in Open class and if they start running the newer cars the chances of catching them lessens. > As for the MR2, there's a certain nationally-known Chicago area > driver > who's waiting for her's to be delivered, so we should start getting > an idea of how quick they can be. It will be interesting to watch. I like my '99 Miata, it's a great street car but I'd have to be a lot better driver to beat the new cars against experienced drivers. In the end a Prepared/Mod car is cheaper unless something major breaks but Stock cars can break too. Steve Bernard Red '99 Miata (B-Stock) NER Region (Novice Class) mailto:Solo-2@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 16:06:18 2000 From: jon e prevo To: solo2crx@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:01:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. When I first entered tech school, my dad bought me a toolbox full of Pittsburgh Forge hand tools. The chisels dulled, the screwdrivers chipped, the handles broke off the prybars. The wrenches were too bulky to fit in tight places (however, Craftsman has that same problem). Since then, I have spent thousands of dollars on hand tools and I am surprised all the time when I look in a drawer and see how many Pittsburgh tools I still have, and use regularly. Hand tools sometimes seem to be a matter of taste, but here are my personal favorites: 1) Snap-On - they are simply the best. Slim designs, ergonomical handles, ultra-strong alloys. 2) S-K - I have always liked S-K sockets and screwdrivers. I still have a set of sockets in a metal box that are at least 30 years old I got from dad. 3) Vise-Grip and Channellock - everything similar is just a copy and never seems to work as well or last as long. MnshO Jon FP 73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 17:17:12 2000 From: "Bruce Haden" To: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:16:27 -0700 Subject: RE: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. They are made overseas, mostly China. I will not buy Chinese made tools of any kind. The few I have tried sucked big time. I like Craftsman except for their ratchets. The ratchet mechanisms don't work well at all. SnapOns are nice but are still WAY overpriced. Husky brand sold at Home Depot isn't bad and priced similar to the Craftsman stuff. SK is good also. You WILL notice the difference between any of the above and the typical overseas stuff. If you get Craftsman in a complete tool kit, they can be really cheap to buy. -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jason S. Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 2:46 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. Do any of you use or have you used the Pittsburgh brand of tools sold in many places including Harbor Freight? I need some new hand tools. I know you get what you pay for and quality tools really make a job easier but will I really notice the difference between these tools and the likes of Craftsman, SK, Snap On, etc. Are the higher priced tools that much better or more durable? Please pass along some opinions as I need to replace some really cheap inherited tools and beef up on my collection of quality tools. Thanks, Jason S. 87' Honda CRX 36DP - Fun at the track weekend car 94' Honda Del Sol Si - Fun in the sun weekend car 91' Pontiac Grand Am Le - Uninspiring commuter car ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 17:21:11 2000 From: "Rick Brown" To: "jon e prevo" , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:21:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. > When I first entered tech school, my dad bought me a toolbox full of > Pittsburgh Forge hand tools. The chisels dulled, the screwdrivers > chipped, the handles broke off the prybars. The wrenches were too bulky > to fit in tight places (however, Craftsman has that same problem). Not sure if you mean Craftsman is too bulky or had all the failings you mention. When I started junior college, majoring in Automotive Technology (even got an AA in it, then discovered computers courtesy of the USMC), my dad bought me a nice Craftsman toolbox and rollaway and lots of tools. Still have and use almost all of them, and that was in 1963! > 1) Snap-On - they are simply the best. Slim designs, ergonomical > handles, ultra-strong alloys. But I agree, Snap On are excellent and do get into the tight places better. > 3) Vise-Grip and Channellock - everything similar is just a copy and > never seems to work as well or last as long. Agree here too. > MnshO > Jon FP 73 Rick Brown FP 240Z From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 17:31:39 2000 From: "Jim Young" To: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:25:41 -0500 Subject: FS CMod Lola T580 For Sale 79 Lola T580 Formula Ford, strong Andresen engine, recased gearbox with solo gears, AP clutch with Taylor release, cockpit adjustable rear bar and brake bias, 12 Revolutions with 8 slicks and 4 rains, MSD soft touch rev limiter. This car will fit a large driver easily, 6'6", 280#, size 15 shoe. This car is super reliable, easy to drive. Also includes a dual axle trailer with brakes. $8000 Run in the BEST class in Solo II Car is located in northeast Wisconsin Jim Young 74CM 920-743-2444 jsyoung@dcwis.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 17:40:51 2000 From: "John Steczkowski" To: "Donn Sundeen" , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:40:46 -0500 Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) Actually, you're mistaken, the sparkplug fires every 1/3 rotation of the rotor, but that's not the measure of rpm for a rotary engine. You count each rotation of the eccentric shaft, the rotary equivalent of a crankshaft. So you actually only get as many firing pulses out of a rotary as a 4 stroke 6 cylinder engine. There's a site on the web that has animation of it (anyone have a pointer, I can't find it right now) John S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Sundeen" To: Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 3:20 PM Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) > Jeff wrote > > > Lets not forget every chamber fires once per revolution not every other > > revolution like a 4 stroke piston engine > > So in reality it is like 654cc X 12 that's 7848cc regardless of turbo > > charging that is one inefficient motor only putting out > > 250hp from almost 8 liters. > > > > Jeff > > I'm thinking that stuffing 7848cc in such a small and light package is > extreamly efficient > > Donn > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 17:36:01 2000 From: "Alex Dresko" To: , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:33:34 -0400 Subject: RE: bought Celica, now tech questions Hello, my child. www.celica.net Alex Dresko '00 Celica GT-S > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of PAULES56@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:03 AM > To: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: bought Celica, now tech questions > > > Hi > > I am now the owner of a rolling blind spot! A Super White GT > with 5 speed. > Just fast enough to get me to work every day with a little > flash. Too few > miles to see why you guys do so well with it in ES. > > Since I cannot yet get a service manual, I was wondering if > anyone has found > out how to adjust the clutch. I have to push it all the way > to the floor to > get full disengagement. I am not used to this and with the > close ratio > gears, I am not shifting as silky smooth as I used to in the > ford or CRX. > > Second, using the tire pressures listed on the doorjamb, the > car feels a bit > reluctant to get off dead center. Fine for running down the > highway, but I > was hoping for a little more spirited cornering. Anyone > experiment with > higher pressures in the stock tires? Quite an experience > going from a kart > and CRX to this LONG wheelbase coupe. > > Did anyone else notice that there is no grill - leaving the > A/C condenser > coil very vulnerable? Any suggestions before I buy some egg > crate or rat > wire to protect it from gravel and road debris? > > Suggestions for a trailer hitch source? > > It has been just too hot here to really look under the car. > Just hoping for > some inspiration, and some rain to put out the forest fires. > > Paul > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 17:39:46 2000 From: jon e prevo To: free2000@quixnet.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:35:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:21:22 -0700 "Rick Brown" writes: > Not sure if you mean Craftsman is too bulky or had all the failings > you > mention. It's just the first one. Craftsman wrenches are made out of a softer type of metal and must be more bulky to not break. Have you ever noticed how often Craftsman chrome sockets break? Yeah, they're easy to warranty, but Snap-Ons don't break at all and if one does (after 5 years of installing and removing wheels with it attatched to a 250 lb/ft impact) it's easy to warranty too. I have no problem with the quality of Craftsman. Their screwdriver handles hurt my hands, though. Still, just MnshO Jon FP 73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 17:59:45 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:02:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Z3 in EP? Was: New Miata Aw, yer just jealous cuz yer big bad Bimmer is getting spanked by those damn Japanese Lotus Elan clones :-b Scot '91 CS faux-Elan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Lloyd To: Bill Ozinga ; Team.Net Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: RE: Z3 in EP? Was: New Miata > > That's all right as long as the miata's all have to run on firestones, It's > a plot Eric is right,,,,, > > Miata -- Built in Hiroshima imported to the US > > The last thing we imported to Hiroshima ticked :) I guess next time we will > need to use a bigger bomb > > Jeff Lloyd > > Weren't the RX7's built in the Hiroshima plant too??? And they disgrace the > best America has to offer, either it's poetic justice > Or a PLOT with all this talk about the Miata RX7 and firestones hummmm > > Eric????, are the Canadians involved??? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Ozinga [mailto:oz@tirerack.com] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 6:56 PM > To: Jeff Lloyd; Team.Net > Subject: Z3 in EP? Was: New Miata > Jeff, > > You keep complaining about your car being misclassed against the Miata's and > threatening to go to EP. > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 18:08:20 2000 From: "Williams" To: "jon e prevo" , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:51:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Solo III John, Don't forget the Texas A&M Sports car club with our two day practice sessions during the summer. If you want to flog the daylights out of your car between the cones, we can help! Bryan Williams Beer Money Racing EP16 Mustang -----Original Message----- From: jon e prevo To: maverick@purplemtn.com Cc: autox@autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Solo III >Wasnt going to comment... > >I think what you need to do is start yourself an autocross club. In >Texas Region we have: > >SCCA Solo 2 - the most competitive autocross game in town. All the big >boys come out, season points races are fierce, regional pride is almost >holy at Divisional races, Nationals is the hot topic from March on >through the season. > >Equipe Rapide - slightly less competitive, more relaxed, more friendly. >Many of the big boys come out but not all, lots of folks, especially y u >p types come to these and not SCCA races. Competition is still the >watchword and we try to stay pretty close to Solo 2 rules. > >Porsche club, Corvette club, BMW club, CFCC, etc. - all put on various >types of autocross type events with varying rules and classes. These >clubs are much more laid back because the members are more interested in >their cars than in competition. Their courses also tend to be much >faster and less challenging than either of the two dedicated autocross >clubs. > >Face it, we autocross because we love to compete in our cars. If you >just want to drive around, Solo 2 is not for you. > >Jon FP 73 > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 18:17:21 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: solo2crx@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:15:20 EDT Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. In a message dated 8/11/00 2:51:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, solo2crx@hotmail.com writes: << Do any of you use or have you used the Pittsburgh brand of tools sold in many places including Harbor Freight? I need some new hand tools. I know you get what you pay for and quality tools really make a job easier but will I really notice the difference between these tools and the likes of Craftsman, SK, Snap On, etc. Are the higher priced tools that much better or more durable? Please pass along some opinions as I need to replace some really cheap inherited tools and beef up on my collection of quality tools. Thanks, Jason S. 87' Honda CRX 36DP - Fun at the track weekend car 94' Honda Del Sol Si - Fun in the sun weekend car 91' Pontiac Grand Am Le - Uninspiring commuter car >> I stay away from anything thats Chinese!!!!!!!!! Harbor Fright sells tons of the stuff. If you don't want to spend a fortune buying Snap-on or Proto or SK but heres a suggestion. Watch QVC or Home Shopping!!! I bought an entire set of Craftsman hand tools just to keep in the trailer for $229.00. Its pretty much everything you would need to tear down a CM car to the "Tub"!!!! This set of tools was for sale the next week at Sears in Kansas City for $699.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can get a really good deal on tools if you watch these channels(Get your wife to do it and call you out of the garage)often. Mike(It worked for me)B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 19:16:22 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: autox mailing list Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Spec class? Howdy, On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, washburn wrote: > > Ahhhh what do you think D Stock has been the last few years > > Or...... BS? The problem with BS is that (apparently) you need a new miata to win. That's $20k. And its a miata, so the budget racer, who probably can't afford to have multiple cars, probably won't be able to consider it even if they can stretch their budget. The neat thing about DS is that a neon makes a great & practical daily driver, the car is cheap to buy new or used, and the car is competitive. Of course, everyone except neon drivers seems to hate the idea of an affordable spec class, so we're apparently changing it. Whatever. I submit that serious racers on a budget want a class where the costs of entry aren't exhorbitant and where the rules are relatively unchanging. See "definition of spec class". DS filled that role for a while, but the new class proposal wrecks that. Perhaps a "spec early miata" class would fill the role now. My suggestion would be to leave DS the hell alone and let it continue to fill that role, but I also understand the "sports car" side of the club. At least 1st gen miatas are under $10k down to say $3k, which at least makes it realistic for a racer with a budget to buy one (along with a "real car" for daily driver duty). Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 19:27:15 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: chuck@decaturnet.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:25:25 EDT Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) In a message dated 8/11/2000 1:16:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, chuck@decaturnet.com writes: << um, no Displacemnt is measured by the volume of "open"space in the epichrod with the rotor in it. >> That's like saying "Displacement is measured by the volume of the open space that is on the compression stroke at any given time." (on a piston engine) Just because the other 2 chambers are not facing the sparkplugs doesn't mean they shouldn't count. << They displace 654 cc per rotor (13B) multipling by 1.4 is merely a tool used by the SCCA to specify Pressure charged cars vs Naturally aspirated. >> But the power developed by a supercharged car IS greater than that of a normally aspirated car, so some multiplier needs to be used. << It isn't the Rotaries fault that a Piston engine is inferious by basic design (some comapies have come in leaps and bound in Pston engine technology ie Honda VTEC) >> Nor is it the piston engine's fault that we have historically measured rotary engine displacement by ignoring 4 out of 6 chambers. << there are three rotor faces, but the displacment between them is still 654cc (divide that by 3 and that is the per rotor face volume.) you are mutiplying it by 9 in your calculations >> 654cc is the max volume of one chamber. There are 6 chambers. Do you get to ignore all the cylinders that are at TDC and have essentially no volume when measuring a piston engine? No. Turbocharged engines should have a multiplier and the standard we use is 1.4. I don't see a problem with the math... << You aren'y being pugniable about all this are you? I am not, i am simply trying to help you understand the rotary from a rotorhed. >> Well, that's the funny part. I'm a rotorhead, too... I just see rotary engine displacement a little more objectively than most rotorheads... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 19:46:56 2000 From: Bshinton@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:45:44 EDT Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) Instead of trying to compare horsepower output by engine displacement, why not compare by engine weight? The ability to get more horsepower out of a lighter engine would seem to be the most advantageous no matter what the displacement. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 19:56:38 2000 From: "Paul Zahornasky" To: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:54:31 -0400 Subject: RE: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. I've been told (by a former Snap-On dealer) that the Husky Brand at Home Depot is made by Snap-on. Don't know if it is the same quality metal or not. Paul Zahornasky -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Smokerbros@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:36 PM To: tcbracer@juno.com Cc: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. In a message dated 8/11/2000 4:42:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tcbracer@juno.com writes: << Yeah, they're easy to warranty, but Snap-Ons don't break at all and if one does (after 5 years of installing and removing wheels with it attatched to a 250 lb/ft impact) it's easy to warranty too. >> My problem with Snap-On (other than price) is that the Snap-On truck won't come to my place to warranty them on a weekday night or weekend, but Sears is usually open when I need them... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 19:37:05 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: tcbracer@juno.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:35:42 EDT Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. In a message dated 8/11/2000 4:42:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tcbracer@juno.com writes: << Yeah, they're easy to warranty, but Snap-Ons don't break at all and if one does (after 5 years of installing and removing wheels with it attatched to a 250 lb/ft impact) it's easy to warranty too. >> My problem with Snap-On (other than price) is that the Snap-On truck won't come to my place to warranty them on a weekday night or weekend, but Sears is usually open when I need them... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 20:16:22 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: , Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:22:19 -0400 Subject: RE: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) Here is my guess Worst to best Iron Block Diesel any and all 2 valve Iron 4 cylinder (2.5 GM Iron mike) or tractor motor type applications cam in block American V8 type motors or Iron V6's More modern V6 V8 OHC Flat 4 Vw motors, (no water) Porsche Flat motors Modern aluminum Inline 4 Rotary NA Forced induction V8/V6 Forced induction 4 Motorcycle applications (this includes S2000) Rotary Forced 2 cycle A-modified applications How close am I??? Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bshinton@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:46 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) Instead of trying to compare horsepower output by engine displacement, why not compare by engine weight? The ability to get more horsepower out of a lighter engine would seem to be the most advantageous no matter what the displacement. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 21:19:56 2000 From: Jonathan Roberts To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:20:06 -0400 Subject: NOPI Auto-x???? Has anyone heard any information about NOPI nationals autocross this year? I checked out the web site but saw nothing about it. Does this mean it's not happening or that I'm not looking in the right spot? Thanks in advance, Jonathan Roberts (trying to figure out how to make them both, if NOPI is still going to be "on") '91 MR2, CS From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 22:42:04 2000 From: "Steven T. Ekstrand" To: "mailing list autox" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:39:51 -0700 Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) Jeff's list: | Worst to best | | Iron Block Diesel any and all | 2 valve Iron 4 cylinder (2.5 GM Iron mike) or tractor motor type | applications cam in block | American V8 type motors or Iron V6's | More modern V6 V8 OHC | Flat 4 Vw motors, (no water) | Porsche Flat motors | Modern aluminum Inline 4 | Rotary NA | Forced induction V8/V6 | Forced induction 4 | Motorcycle applications (this includes S2000) | Rotary Forced | 2 cycle A-modified applications | I'd say the number one would be: A Top Fuel Hemi motor. Yup its heavy... But it does make 15 to 30 times the horsepower of anything on your list. It gets really poor gas mileage though. Doesn't come with a warranty. Overheats backing out of the driveway. And WILL wake your neighbors. -STE (Going back into hiding before they place a ban on drag racers doing autocross...) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 11 23:40:39 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Jeff Lloyd" , "Team.Net" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:32:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Z3 in EP? Was: New Miata Dunno, but we're ready for 'em here in Zone VII, right Mike. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T -----Original Message----- >Eric????, are the Canadians involved??? From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 00:09:08 2000 From: GSMnow@aol.com To: Jeff@cyberconceptz.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:08:01 EDT Subject: RE: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:09:09 -0400 From: "Jeff Lloyd" > Lets not forget every chamber fires once per revolution not every other > revolution like a 4 stroke piston engine > So in reality it is like 654cc X 12 that's 7848cc regardless of turbo > charging that is one inefficient motor only putting out > 250hp from almost 8 liters. Jeff, the two chambers each only fire ONCE per revolution of the output shaft. The other two chambers per rotor are intaking, compressing, or exhausting during the power stroke time. The rotors turn at 1/3 the rate of the eccentric (crank / output) shaft. So in piston engine equivolence, it is like a 2 stroke of 1.3 litres, but actually a bit better since it does not lose 1/3 of the compressions stroke with open ports. If I remember right, SCCA classes them in prepared as 1.8 times chamber volume change, or 1.8 x 1.3 = 2.34 litres. I don't have my rule book sitting here, but I think it was another only 1.25 times for turbocharged. So 2.34 x 1.25 = 2.93 litres. That is definately an understatement of the air flow potential. In reality, they flow double the chamber volume compared to a piston 4 stroke, so 2.6 litres, and a turbo can double the flow again at about 15 psi of boost (5.2 litres making 255 hp, sounds about right) , I don't remember what the stock RX-7's run for boost, but it was probably a bit under 15 psi. Gary M. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 00:06:58 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "autocross list" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:59:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. And don't forget 3M Duct Tape!! Only the best will do for Team Laughing Stock. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt --------------Original Message----------------------- >> 3) Vise-Grip and Channellock - everything similar is just a copy and >> never seems to work as well or last as long. > >Agree here too. > >> MnshO >> Jon FP 73 > >Rick Brown >FP 240Z > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 00:05:49 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:11:50 -0400 Subject: Rallye Tires for SoloII I have been looking into Dry rally tires for use in solo2 they are most available in multiple compounds and some are DOT approved... best part is they are like $100 per tire, it might be an inexpensive solution to the choices available, has anyone seen this tried? Jeff From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 00:24:41 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Paul Zahornasky" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:16:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. And they're both made by whom? Or rather, which 3rd party? Sorta like "house brand" tires. A lot of them all roll off the same assembly line. They just get a different sidewall stamp in their molds. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >I've been told (by a former Snap-On dealer) that the Husky Brand at Home >Depot is made by Snap-on. Don't know if it is the same quality metal or >not. > >Paul Zahornasky From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 03:01:12 2000 From: "Bruce Wentzel" To: "John Steczkowski" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:56:54 -0400 Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) At first glance it would seem to be like a 6 cylinder, but it is actually like a 4 cylinder. Don't ask me to 'splain it. It just is. My evidence is that if you hook up an aftermarket tach, you set it on the 4 cylinder setting to get correct readings. Bruce Wentzel Green Dot Racing, Inc. Road Race & Solo II rentals BSP 71 Corvette LS6 - the original Greendot; ITA and ITS RX-7's Speedbleeders, $5.20, Super Siphon $8.95, credit cards now accepted at https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=greendotracing%40netzero.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Steczkowski" To: "Donn Sundeen" ; Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 6:40 PM Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) > Actually, you're mistaken, the sparkplug fires every 1/3 rotation of the > rotor, but that's not the measure of rpm for a rotary engine. You count each > rotation of the eccentric shaft, the rotary equivalent of a crankshaft. So > you actually only get as many firing pulses out of a rotary as a 4 stroke 6 > cylinder engine. > > There's a site on the web that has animation of it (anyone have a pointer, I > can't find it right now) > > John S. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donn Sundeen" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) > > > > Jeff wrote > > > > > Lets not forget every chamber fires once per revolution not every other > > > revolution like a 4 stroke piston engine > > > So in reality it is like 654cc X 12 that's 7848cc regardless of turbo > > > charging that is one inefficient motor only putting out > > > 250hp from almost 8 liters. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > I'm thinking that stuffing 7848cc in such a small and light package is > > extreamly efficient > > > > Donn > > > > _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 03:29:33 2000 From: "Steve Ashcraft" To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 05:30:01 -0400 Subject: Re: New Miata Tim Aro won BS at the National Tour at Ayers in a 1994 R package this year. I figured it made my 1994 R worth at least $1000 more ;-) Thank you Tim. Of course, the other places he has been soundly beating us mere mortal Miata drivers he is driving a 1999 ;-( Steve Ashcraft 1994 Mazda Miata R ----- Original Message ----- From: David Hedderick To: Tony Ford ; Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 6:42 PM Subject: Re: New Miata > I think on a certain type of course even the 94-97 Miatas can > keep up with the 99+ models. Mr. Doganis has proved that. > Of course driver may play a little part too. ;-) > > David Hedderick > (nut behind the wheel needs replaced) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Ford > To: autox@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:36 PM > Subject: New Miata > > > >So what is the consensus of the new Miata with more horsepower, 16" wheels, > and additional chassis bracing? It discourages me to have my car become > obsolete after owning it for a year and a half. Heck, I haven't even learned > how to really drive it well yet. A road racer once told me if I was going to > race that I should buy a proper race car and forget running a stock class > car and all the expense it entails making it raceworthy. I'm inclined to > believe him now. Is it any easier to run in a more rules-stable prepared or > modified class? Or does it just appear so to me? And monetarily, would I > have been better off to have gotten a decent dedicated race car (FM or CM?)? > Although I'm not so sure that would be a good place to start out. But then > again, I'd have been slow as heck in anything starting out. I really enjoy > autocross and developing my skills as a driver, but I'd like a shot at > winning something someday without breaking the bank. Any thoughts out there? > > > > > >Anthony C. Ford > >Mechanical Engineer > >Mazak Corporation > >(859) 342-1382 > >FAX 342-1537 > >B-Stock Cendiv #25 > >'99 R-model > > > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 03:42:58 2000 From: "Steve Ashcraft" To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 05:39:11 -0400 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs I think the point is that at least two BS drivers on the 2nd day were bouncing off the rev limiter in 3rd which even in a 6 speed Miata is pretty fast (can anyone give me a mph)-- especially on a runway. I like to go fast but I really don't want to see solo II which is growing very fast take a big hit due to increased insurance costs just because no one is paying attention to "speed creep". (Not to mention the people who get hurt) Just my $.02 Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 8:56 AM Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs > rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: > > > Uhhhh - I had a radar gun, but I believe that Alan Sheidler was > > operating it during the S/S competition at the Peru Tour. > > I had it during ESP, BS, EM, and AM(L?) on the first day. The MarcusMobile > was doing 68, the McKamey V8 sprite-thingy was in the low 70's, and the AM > car was like 82-83 or so. > > The Miatae were well off that. > > My datalogger (wheel speed sensor, so no accelerometer error *mutter*) > reported a rev-limited 68 in the finish on Day 2. Had I shifted (or had > another 300 RPM on the limiter) I might have seen a low 70. > > > Speed creep at events led to the current wording in the rulebook. > > Is it happening again? > > Those speeds don't strike me as being all that fast.... What does the > rulebook say? > > DG > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 04:57:22 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net, solo2atlanta@topica.com, BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:56:12 EDT Subject: SEDiv Solo2 event- Friday We had approx. 60 competitors show up for registration and tech Friday evening and are expecting at least as many this am. Apparently the word got out and we didn't have anyone invading military airspace during Friday maneuvers. A lot of people skipped coming early due to the limited late access Friday. We didn't get the course layout completed until dark. Weather is fairly nice for Alabama in the summer; 90 deg high, 70 deg low, partly cloudy/sunny with a 10 mph breeze; no rain is predicted. The site opens early at 6:30 am for an extended course walking period. The course is open and flowing and the fastest cars predicted to complete in the low-mid 50 second range. If you opted not to attend you'll miss a good event. We'll provide an update for today's competition later this evening. Mark Sipe SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 06:49:56 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "Wheeltowheel" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:48:59 -0400 Subject: Great Gift Idea I recently ordered a carbon fiber 'flipfold' wallet from the CtheFiber folks: http://www.cthefiber.com/ Although a bit pricey at $75 it is really well constructed. I highly recommend it for the racer who has everything. And if I ever get shot in the ass it may help save my life! Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 06:52:02 2000 From: "Andy Whittle" To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:52:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. I have had a lot of tools over the years. After having a tool box stolen while on a trip and needing tools on the road... I went to WalMart and to my suprise I love the tools. They are cheep and sold under the name PM I thing for Popular Mechanics. Try them. Andy Whittle From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 07:03:55 2000 From: JVHT@aol.com To: maverick@purplemtn.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:01:49 EDT Subject: Re: Solo III Chris, Down hear in Southwest Florida Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. decided it made more sense to rent the site for the whole weekend, run a novice school / test & tune all day Saturday and run the points event on Sunday. The practice course is a very educational half mile course that is permanent so you can compare from practice to practice. We setup the mile long Sunday course at the end of Saturday (with several volunteers that want to preview the course) . This gives a jump on Sunday's event! We have seen people go through over 40 runs during a Saturday Test & Tune. No Penalties! Just times which are announced, posted and time cards are available at the end of the day. If you want some serious seat time with available national caliber instructors (volunteers!!!) you just need to show up on our Saturday School/Test&Tune with $10.00!!! (Free hot lunch included) As a club we have found out that doing the events together on one weekend instead of a separate one helps prevent burnout. We only have to haul all equipment out and set it up and tear it down half as much! John Taylor Webmaster@ Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Website From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 07:32:47 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:30:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. > my dad bought me a nice Craftsman toolbox and rollaway and lots of > tools. Still have and use almost all of them, and that was in 1963! That surprises me less than if you would have said he got them for you in 1993. That is, old Craftsman tools are super. Newer ones seem to fail more often. 'Course, when the local Sears guys see Eric coming, they know they are getting ready to do another free replacement. We have this running joke about how he started with a steel level and each time he gets a replacement one, it has more and more plastic and less and less steel. mlc '91 MR2 NA -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 08:05:17 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: "Mark J. Andy" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:05:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Spec class? Mark J. Andy said... > The neat thing about DS is that a neon makes a great & practical daily > driver, the car is cheap to buy new or used, and the car is competitive. Gee, you left out reliable. ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 08:10:40 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: Paul Foster , "Team.Net" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:10:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Great Gift Idea > I recently ordered a carbon fiber 'flipfold' wallet from the CtheFiber > folks: > > http://www.cthefiber.com/ > > Although a bit pricey at $75 it is really well constructed. I highly > recommend it for the racer who has everything. And if I ever get shot > in the ass it may help save my life! OK, I tried to bite my tongue...but if nobody else is going to point this out... That had better be one damn big wallet. We all know you're a pretty big ass! Paul, you keep leaving me these openings like you're asking for it... ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 09:51:32 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:49:45 EDT Subject: Re: Class Cost of Ownership (was: New Miata) In a message dated 8/11/00 5:30:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dg50@daimlerchrysler.com writes: << Stock class is one of those double-edged swords: The Street Prepared / Modified sword is single-edged >> As is the Prepared sword. I wanted a powerful, front engine rear drive car for my next autocross car. I decided the choices were FS, ESP, or CP. FS had the risk of going out and spending $20-30K and finding that something better comes along in 2-3 years. ESP has less risk of that, but I felt I'd still have to start with a '93 or newer Camaro, then spend a lot of money, and probably not drive it on the street and need a tow vehicle/trailer. CP required the tow vehicle (new Chevy truck, which won't need to be replaced before it's paid off, so I can keep it 10 years or so...), but I started with a running 350 Firebird for $2K, and figure I'll have (not much) less than $20K in it (but a lot of man-hours) before it's competitive. I'm pretty sure that's a bunch less than a competitive ESP car... And if it becomes uncompetitive, I can just modify the car to make it more competitive (at way less cost than selling a 3 year old car and buying another new one.) If I break it, it goes back on the trailer and I can still get to work. AND I get to party with a lot of really fun people! OTOH, I'm borrowing rides this year because there's more work to be done than I have time for... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 10:31:57 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:31:11 -0400 Subject: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) CHuck-- > (new Chevy truck, which won't need to be replaced > before it's paid off, so I can keep it 10 years or so...) That's one heck of a loan. Did Huck sell you on that 10 year term? ( : mlc '91 MR2 NA -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 10:40:27 2000 From: jon e prevo To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:35:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Class Cost of Ownership (was: New Miata) On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:49:45 EDT Smokerbros@aol.com writes: > If I > break it, it goes back on the trailer and I can still get to work. > AND I get > to party with a lot of really fun people! Are you saying that us normal people can't party with CP guys? I agree with this completely. The "keeping up" expense is much less in SP or P, and if you _have_ to drive your racer, SP is perfect again. Except if you break it. That's when that trailer and tow vehicle become _invaluable_. Jon FP 73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 10:41:59 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Mari L Clements" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:45:36 -0700 Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mari L Clements To: Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 9:31 AM Subject: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) > CHuck-- > > > (new Chevy truck, which won't need to be replaced > > before it's paid off, so I can keep it 10 years or so...) > > That's one heck of a loan. Did Huck sell you on that 10 year term? ( : I thought he was trying to say the truck would last 10 years or so, not that he had that long a loan on it ;) BTW, my dad still has the same F250 he bought new in August 1976. If anyone wants to see it, it'll be towing my Miata to Nationals. It's a big ugly blue thing. :) Scot From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 11:10:24 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: Scot Zediker Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:54:11 -0700 Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) Ugly is only in the eyes of the beholder. We think our 87 Econoline 350 is downright handsome--it gets us there and back, what more can you ask? If it's a Chevy maybe it's only 10 years; if it's a Ford, we now have testimony to 24 years. --Pat Kelly Scot Zediker wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mari L Clements > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 9:31 AM > Subject: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New > Miata) > > > CHuck-- > > > > > (new Chevy truck, which won't need to be replaced > > > before it's paid off, so I can keep it 10 years or so...) > > > > That's one heck of a loan. Did Huck sell you on that 10 year term? ( : > > I thought he was trying to say the truck would last 10 years or so, not that > he had that long a loan on it ;) > > BTW, my dad still has the same F250 he bought new in August 1976. If anyone > wants to see it, it'll be towing my Miata to Nationals. It's a big ugly > blue thing. :) > > Scot From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 12:01:51 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: mrndr2@juno.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:00:39 EDT Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) In a message dated 8/12/00 9:35:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mrndr2@juno.com writes: << That's one heck of a loan. Did Huck sell you on that 10 year term? ( : >> Actually, it's a 7 year loan, but I'll keep it for 10... probably.... No, Huck is R & D, I'm S & M... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 12:10:12 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:54:20 -0700 Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) The 24 years referred to Scot's claim on his dad's truck; our van is only an 86; 10 years younger! And maintenance costs have not been that bad as long as we stay away from a Ford dealer. The biggest cost this year was making the fuel gauge read; as you know, Charlie, that's a very important feature for a 460 V8! Gotta have it. --Pat K Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/12/00 10:13:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lollipop@ricochet.net writes: > > << Ugly is only in the eyes of the beholder. We think our 87 Econoline 350 > is downright handsome--it gets us there and back, what more can you ask? > If it's a Chevy maybe it's only 10 years; if it's a Ford, we now have > testimony to 24 years. >> > > I could keep a Chevy longer, I just don't want to have the maintenance costs > that you've had in your 24 years with the van... I may feel differently when > I don't have a payment on it... My luck is that every time something will > fail I'll be in the middle of Arizona or something, on my way to Topeka... > > CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 12:06:11 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: lollipop@ricochet.net, roadsterboy@earthlink.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:05:00 EDT Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) In a message dated 8/12/00 10:13:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lollipop@ricochet.net writes: << Ugly is only in the eyes of the beholder. We think our 87 Econoline 350 is downright handsome--it gets us there and back, what more can you ask? If it's a Chevy maybe it's only 10 years; if it's a Ford, we now have testimony to 24 years. >> I could keep a Chevy longer, I just don't want to have the maintenance costs that you've had in your 24 years with the van... I may feel differently when I don't have a payment on it... My luck is that every time something will fail I'll be in the middle of Arizona or something, on my way to Topeka... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 12:19:59 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: lollipop@ricochet.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:18:40 EDT Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) In a message dated 8/12/00 11:09:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lollipop@ricochet.net writes: << The 24 years referred to Scot's claim on his dad's truck; our van is only an 86; 10 years younger! And maintenance costs have not been that bad as long as we stay away from a Ford dealer. The biggest cost this year was making the fuel gauge read; as you know, Charlie, that's a very important feature for a 460 V8! Gotta have it. >> Good point about that fuel gauge!!! I just know that any vehicle over 100,000 miles will require some repairs. I just don't think I'm going to want to take the risk of making them on the road... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 12:23:55 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:07:51 -0700 Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) We've been risk takers for a loooong time! The engine still uses no oil, and that's at about 140,000 miles. Knock on wood. Hey if Hondas can run 200,000 miles so can Fords. :-) --Pat K Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/12/00 11:09:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > lollipop@ricochet.net writes: > > << The 24 years referred to Scot's claim on his dad's truck; our van is > only an 86; 10 years younger! And maintenance costs have not been that > bad as long as we stay away from a Ford dealer. The biggest cost this > year was making the fuel gauge read; as you know, Charlie, that's a very > important feature for a 460 V8! Gotta have it. >> > > Good point about that fuel gauge!!! I just know that any vehicle over > 100,000 miles will require some repairs. I just don't think I'm going to > want to take the risk of making them on the road... > > CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 13:34:10 2000 From: "Chuck McMillion" To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:34:07 -0500 Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) The leading and trailing plugs both fire once for each side of the rotor... BUT the E-shaft RPM is 3 times faster than the rotor RPM. so it would be equal with 4 cylinder. one power "stroke" per rotor per epichrod. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 13:38:22 2000 From: "Chuck McMillion" To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:38:52 -0500 Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) Hello, I am curious about option packages in stock class. Suppose i were to pick up a 1993 RX-7 with the touring package. Could i legally drive it at National events if i preformed every modification included in the R1 package? Strut tower brace Dual Oil coolers, front and rear spoilers? Does exterior paint colour matter too? IF i left one of these out would the car be illegal? Would it be illegal in the first place... Basically, will i am penelized for my Sunroof? and leather Interiour or would i need to put Cloth seats in too? If it is that picky, Did you know the R1's have different rear hatch support shocks than the base and touring models? Please help me out here!!! Are there any of you driving an RX-7 with R1 modifications? Thank you, Chuck From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 14:02:34 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:00:50 -0400 Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) > Good point about that fuel gauge!!! I just know that any vehicle > over 100,000 miles will require some repairs. Yes, the pretty truck just got the fuel gauge repair. Now we know we can go 700 miles on a tank. (Before, we had to hedge our bets by stopping for a refuel at 500 miles). mlc '91 MR2 NA <-- CS (another great place to play if you don't want to buy a new car every year) '96 Dodge Cummins Turbo Diesel--at 170K+, it's barely halfway to the Cummins recommended rebuild -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 14:27:38 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: , , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:32:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Wichita Kansas, Monday, August 21? Can we get together for food and bench-racing somewhere in Wichita on Monday evening, August 21? I'd really like to meet some car folks. I will be stopping overnight on my way north, driving my TR4 to its new home in Saint Paul from its old home in San Antonio. I am also still open to suggestions of where to sleep and park the car. I'd like something clean, with working plumbing and electricity. No luxury touches needed. A safe place to park the car is a must. Something equivalent to Topeka's Raceway Inn would be good enough. I have not been to Wichita for over 25 years, so I don't know the territory. Phil "where's Arlie Hart when we really need him" Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban, 1962 Triumph TR4 to come... LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 15:24:18 2000 From: "Williams" To: "Phil Ethier" , , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:13:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Wichita Kansas, Monday, August 21? Phil, I hope your 'adventure' in the TR4 is a plesant one. I've had good and bad in a Triumph. Be sure to bring LOTS of sunscreen, and a cool attitude. You'll need both. 106 yesterday (Friday) here in College Station, Tx. (3 hours east of San Antonio). BTW down here, if you ask for directions you'll be told how many hours it is to your destination. Add 25% to what they tell you. All distances are estimated at persuit speed. I also recomend you try Shiner Bock Beer while you're in Texas. Bryan Williams Beer Money Racing EP16 Mustang (For Sale Racing) -----Original Message----- From: Phil Ethier To: british-cars@autox.team.net ; triumphs@autox.team.net ; lotus-cars@lists.best.com ; autox@autox.team.net Cc: ethier@tcfreenet.org ; pethier@isd.net Date: Saturday, August 12, 2000 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Wichita Kansas, Monday, August 21? >Can we get together for food and bench-racing somewhere in Wichita on Monday >evening, August 21? I'd really like to meet some car folks. > >I will be stopping overnight on my way north, driving my TR4 to its new home >in Saint Paul from its old home in San Antonio. > >I am also still open to suggestions of where to sleep and park the car. I'd >like something clean, with working plumbing and electricity. No luxury >touches needed. A safe place to park the car is a must. Something >equivalent to Topeka's Raceway Inn would be good enough. I have not been to >Wichita for over 25 years, so I don't know the territory. > >Phil "where's Arlie Hart when we really need him" Ethier >Saint Paul Minnesota USA >1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban, 1962 Triumph TR4 to >come... >LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ >"If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green > > > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 15:35:05 2000 From: Ronald Nottingham To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:38:40 -0400 Subject: NOPI Nationals Talked to James with NOPI, the guy that gets all these things going at NOPI, about the AX and the NOPI Nats (or whatever it's called) at the speedway in Atlanta. He said they aren't doing it this year, and he regrets not being able to do it. His explanation was one of insurance costs and costs for medical service. They had so many racing entries, not just AX, that this year they would have had to double or even triple the number of ambulances for the event. As he explained to me, they have to have a certain percentange of ambulances to racers and last year they exceeded that, and the guys at the speedway told them if they wanted to rent it again, they needed more medical personnel if they kept all the racing events. So, something had to go, and since most of their customers are into the drag racing, AX was cut. Ron N. - Dalton, GA 84 300ZXT (GRM $2001 Challenger) IZCC# 4779 TLS#30 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 16:26:10 2000 From: "John Steczkowski" To: "Bruce Wentzel" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:26:40 -0500 Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) Dang it, I hate it when that happens, Bruce is right, the rotor turns 1/3 as fast as the eccentric shaft, so you get two firing pulses per rpm, the same as a 4 cylinder.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Wentzel" To: "John Steczkowski" ; Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 3:56 AM Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) > At first glance it would seem to be like a 6 cylinder, but it is > actually like a 4 cylinder. Don't ask me to 'splain it. It just > is. My evidence is that if you hook up an aftermarket tach, you > set it on the 4 cylinder setting to get correct readings. > > Bruce Wentzel Green Dot Racing, Inc. Road Race & Solo II rentals > BSP 71 Corvette LS6 - the original Greendot; ITA and ITS RX-7's > Speedbleeders, $5.20, Super Siphon $8.95, credit cards now > accepted at > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=greendotracing%40netzero.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Steczkowski" > To: "Donn Sundeen" ; > > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) > > > > Actually, you're mistaken, the sparkplug fires every 1/3 > rotation of the > > rotor, but that's not the measure of rpm for a rotary engine. > You count each > > rotation of the eccentric shaft, the rotary equivalent of a > crankshaft. So > > you actually only get as many firing pulses out of a rotary as > a 4 stroke 6 > > cylinder engine. > > > > There's a site on the web that has animation of it (anyone have > a pointer, I > > can't find it right now) > > > > John S. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donn Sundeen" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 3:20 PM > > Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) > > > > > > > Jeff wrote > > > > > > > Lets not forget every chamber fires once per revolution not > every other > > > > revolution like a 4 stroke piston engine > > > > So in reality it is like 654cc X 12 that's 7848cc > regardless of turbo > > > > charging that is one inefficient motor only putting out > > > > 250hp from almost 8 liters. > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > I'm thinking that stuffing 7848cc in such a small and light > package is > > > extreamly efficient > > > > > > Donn > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Why pay for something you could get for free? > NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 17:20:59 2000 From: Eric Moon To: "Jeff Lloyd" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:08:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Rallye Tires for SoloII At 02:11 AM 8/12/00 -0400, Jeff Lloyd wrote: >I have been looking into Dry rally tires for use in solo2 they are most >available in multiple compounds and some are DOT approved... best part is >they are like $100 per tire, it might be an inexpensive solution to the >choices available, has anyone seen this tried? > >Jeff > > Jeff, Do you mean a Tarmac Stage tire? I would think anything with knobbies for off road is going to be to squirmy, especially under a 3800 lb roadster! Eric Moon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2000 Pennsylvania State Solo II Champion - G Stock ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Co-Driver - Team Wasabi G Stock '00 Acura Type R '92 Miata - D Prepared Wannabe e-mail: info@scca-susq.com pager: 7173297074@mobile.att.net Appalachian Sports Car Club www.scca-susq.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 17:52:06 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Eric Moon" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:58:06 -0400 Subject: RE: Rallye Tires for SoloII No Eric, Look at the Michelin N series Page 82 of last month's sportscar. They are made in true metric sizes and are available in 3 compounds, one for short sprints!! And hey for $100 apiece it might be worth a chance heck any Michelin for that price is worth it Jeff PS. the Z pig is 2800# lbs not 3800#, SHESH... give her some credit... -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Eric Moon Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 7:08 PM To: Jeff Lloyd; Autox@Autox. Team. Net Subject: Re: Rallye Tires for SoloII At 02:11 AM 8/12/00 -0400, Jeff Lloyd wrote: >I have been looking into Dry rally tires for use in solo2 they are most >available in multiple compounds and some are DOT approved... best part is >they are like $100 per tire, it might be an inexpensive solution to the >choices available, has anyone seen this tried? > >Jeff > > Jeff, Do you mean a Tarmac Stage tire? I would think anything with knobbies for off road is going to be to squirmy, especially under a 3800 lb roadster! Eric Moon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2000 Pennsylvania State Solo II Champion - G Stock ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Co-Driver - Team Wasabi G Stock '00 Acura Type R '92 Miata - D Prepared Wannabe e-mail: info@scca-susq.com pager: 7173297074@mobile.att.net Appalachian Sports Car Club www.scca-susq.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 17:51:38 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "Bill Ozinga" , "Team.Net" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:51:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Great Gift Idea >That had better be one damn big wallet. We all know you're a pretty big ass! Respect my authoritah! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 19:06:50 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: autox mailing list Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Howdy, On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Mari L Clements wrote: > Yes, the pretty truck just got the fuel gauge repair. Now we know we can > go 700 miles on a tank. (Before, we had to hedge our bets by stopping > for a refuel at 500 miles). So you gave up on the Dodge and got a Chevy, huh? :-) Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 19:25:47 2000 From: Thomas Smith To: "team.net" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:21:08 -0700 Subject: Looking for Brian Leduc Anyone have Brians email address? thanks Tom Smith From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 20:08:38 2000 From: "Eric Buckley" To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:13:37 -0500 Subject: RE: Rallye Tires for SoloII Jeff Lloyd wrote: > And hey for $100 apiece it might be worth a chance heck any > Michelin for that price is worth it Well, perhaps you need to try autocrossing for a year on the Michelin XGT tires that come on an Integra GSR. It was a great learning tire because even the slightest bit of overdriving was penalized with horrible shriek from the fronts as they let go. The strange thing was, hard as those tires were, they didn't last at all. By the end of one season, they were toast. My race tires do better than that. Eric Buckley 7 STR (note the R): 98 Integra GSR St Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 20:12:45 2000 From: Mari Clements To: autox mailing list Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Mari L Clements wrote: >> Yes, the pretty truck just got the fuel gauge repair > So you gave up on the Dodge and got a Chevy, huh? No, no, Mark. You're reading things wrong again. I said the P-R-E-T-T-Y truck, not the R-U-S-T-Y truck. ( : mlc From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 20:17:37 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: chuck@decaturnet.com, autoX@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:15:58 EDT Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) In a message dated 8/12/00 12:36:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, chuck@decaturnet.com writes: << The leading and trailing plugs both fire once for each side of the rotor... BUT the E-shaft RPM is 3 times faster than the rotor RPM. so it would be equal with 4 cylinder. one power "stroke" per rotor per epichrod. >> I'm not sure it matters how many cylinders it equals. I think the bottom line is power production and fuel consumption. If it produces power like a 4 litre and consumes fuel like a 4 litre, it's a lot more like a 4 litre than it is like a 1.3 litre. I think a NA 13B is a lot more like a big 6 than it is a 1.3 litre 4. And a twin turbo 13B produces power a lot closer to something between 5.0 and 5.7 litres. I just think saying "it's a 1.3 litre" is naive... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 20:20:15 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Eric Buckley" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:25:50 -0400 Subject: was ralye now Michelin I have noticed that, it seems the really hard tires "dust" off we have a pretty large STS group Here in Philly, last event my group needed to run after them, you could see and feel the tire dust All over the course, it got better after a couple runs, but every time a car went into the skid pad section you could see flumes of black tire dust. It was really strange.. But I noticed what you experienced the Z-pig came with the slightly better MXM which toasted off the Pig in a matter of weeks, I switched to the MXX3 and corded them on My first event.. (Keep in mind the lot we were on was so bad. With the Military grade stony asphalt most clubs refuse to run there) that and an overaggressive attitude. Ripped the outside 1/4 right to the cord. I never had that from a race tire even on that lot.. :-O Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Eric Buckley Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:14 PM To: Ax List (E-mail) Subject: RE: Rallye Tires for SoloII Jeff Lloyd wrote: > And hey for $100 apiece it might be worth a chance heck any > Michelin for that price is worth it Well, perhaps you need to try autocrossing for a year on the Michelin XGT tires that come on an Integra GSR. It was a great learning tire because even the slightest bit of overdriving was penalized with horrible shriek from the fronts as they let go. The strange thing was, hard as those tires were, they didn't last at all. By the end of one season, they were toast. My race tires do better than that. Eric Buckley 7 STR (note the R): 98 Integra GSR St Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 20:25:18 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Mari Clements" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:31:15 -0400 Subject: RE: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) There is just something inherently wrong to calling a 1-ton Cummings diesel Ram Pickup, as "PRETTY" Didn't Freud say something about that? Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mari Clements Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:12 PM To: autox mailing list Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Mari L Clements wrote: >> Yes, the pretty truck just got the fuel gauge repair > So you gave up on the Dodge and got a Chevy, huh? No, no, Mark. You're reading things wrong again. I said the P-R-E-T-T-Y truck, not the R-U-S-T-Y truck. ( : mlc From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 21:29:13 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:27:30 -0400 Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:31:15 -0400 "Jeff Lloyd" writes: > There is just something inherently wrong to calling a 1-ton Cummings > diesel Ram Pickup, as "PRETTY" Actually, it's a 3/4 ton, but when it's *rated* to tow 10K pounds (and many people tow way more), who needs a 1 ton? > Didn't Freud say something about that? Yeah, but Freud was wrong. Besides, sometimes a pretty truck is just a pretty truck--and my truck is a pretty truck! mlc '88 Yale University BA in Psychology '92 University of Denver MA in Psychology '94 University of Denver Ph.D. in Psychology Member of... American Psychological Association, American Psychological Society, Society for Research in Child Development, Association for Advancement of Behavior Therapy, National Council on Family Relations, (and Sports Car Club of America), but not a member of the American Psychoanalytic Society (or Freud's fan club). woo hoo! I've finally written a signature line longer than Linnhoff's! -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 22:03:07 2000 From: Bob Mosso To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:01:58 -0700 Subject: RX7 displacement, Caution Engineer Writting, DELETE NOW if you can't do Here's my perspective: The 13B will displace 1.3 liters per revolution, it will take 3 output shaft revolutions to cycle all the chambers and end up at the starting point. It displaced 1.3*3 liters in the 3 revolutions. A Vet will displace 5.7 liters in 2 revolutions, it takes 2 output shaft revolutions to cycle all the chambers and end up back at the starting point. If you want to compare displacement using the piston equivalent (displacement per 2 revolutions) a 13B would displace 2.6 liters. The rotory design can achieve higher rpms than a piston design so maybe a 13B is better than 2.6 liters (piston equivalent). On the other hand, the odd shape of the rotory combustion chamber will cause it to be thermodynamically less efficient. So I say keep it at 2.6 liters. A pressurized rotory will act the same as a pressurized piston motor, so multiply by 1.4. That's 3.64 liters. Regards, Bob Mosso (add smiley faces as necessary) '81 CSP RX-7 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 22:06:05 2000 From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:04:51 EDT Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (and some tech type RX-7 stuff) >>I'd say the number one would be: A Top Fuel Hemi motor. Yup its heavy... But it does make 15 to 30 times the horsepower of anything on your list. It gets really poor gas mileage though. Doesn't come with a warranty. Overheats backing out of the driveway. And WILL wake your neighbors.<< ~~~~OK, I like the way you think here! But I got one for you, how about a Buick V-6 in a Grand National, I know personally of several that produce in excess of 700 HP, will run on pump gas, get about 16-20 mpg on the highway, are kinda quiet, run 9-10 second quater miles in a 3400 lb car, and by the way, the 13B and the Buick V-6 weigh about the same(trust me on this, I've checked it out with evil intentions) and you can even drive it in traffic with the A/C on.....don't believe me? come to Buicks at Bristol Sept 21-23 and see for yourself, I'll be willing to bet that there will be several of these on hand and some will even have been driven to the track. As for the displacement on the 13B, lets not forget that the rotors are gear reduced so you don't have a complete revolution of the rotor in coralation with the eccentric(crank) shaft, I think that the engine does work pretty close to the 80 cid measurement, it gets alot of extra hp fron the reduction of parisitic drag from not having to drive cams, lifters, timing belts/chains and fight against valve springs; the biggest gain is in the ultra-flat horsepower/torque curve that the engine produces. All this said I should say that I like my little 13B NA 1st gen RX-7 alot and just feel lucky that I understand how it actually works and that I can actually build one...but I get more smile driving around in my good ol' big block powered Buick SportWagon with 450 hp 520 ft/lbs torque(no nitrious, it's for weenies) and beating more "traditional" performance cars on the dragstrip. Current rant finished, "Buy what you want. Fix what you can. And remember, if you had all of the money that you've spent on cars, you would spend it all on cars." Kurt"Wolfgang"Peterson CSP/ITS #22 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 1985 Buick Regal T-Type WH-1 1972 Buick SportWagon GS 455 1968 Buick Skylark http://members.aol.com/lwolfracin/home.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 22:09:07 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: "Mari L Clements" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:07:58 -0700 Subject: RE: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) > > Didn't Freud say something about that? > > Yeah, but Freud was wrong. Of course his theories predict you would say that... ;) KeS (and Sports Car Club of America), > but not a member of the American Psychoanalytic Society (or Freud's fan > club). > > woo hoo! I've finally written a signature line longer than Linnhoff's! > -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree > with---- > > ________________________________________________________________ > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 22:32:45 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Mari L Clements" , Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:38:37 -0400 Subject: RE: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) Educated and outspoken!! Got to love that combination, (makes Mari My vote for best poster, go top 10!) Although leave Eric alone, He gets easily startled around "EDUMAKATED WIMMEN" Dat's ok Eric All dem dere letters after her name are ok she woun hurt ya :) Jeff Lloyd '96-'00 School of hard nocks <'96 History Repressed by proper levels of alcohol and depression!! MLC wrote: mlc '88 Yale University BA in Psychology '92 University of Denver MA in Psychology '94 University of Denver Ph.D. in Psychology Member of... American Psychological Association, American Psychological Society, Society for Research in Child Development, Association for Advancement of Behavior Therapy, National Council on Family Relations, (and Sports Car Club of America), but not a member of the American Psychoanalytic Society (or Freud's fan club). woo hoo! I've finally written a signature line longer than Linnhoff's! -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 22:43:43 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "autocross list" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:35:42 -0500 Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) Volvo used to offer 10 year financing on their street cars. Dunno if that's still an option but I didn't think that Volvos were that terribly expensive (as far as European cars go) to start with. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >> > (new Chevy truck, which won't need to be replaced >> > before it's paid off, so I can keep it 10 years or so...) >> >> That's one heck of a loan. Did Huck sell you on that 10 year term? ( : From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 22:48:22 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:54:06 -0400 Subject: Freud??? on team.net??? >> > Didn't Freud say something about that? >> >> Yeah, but Freud was wrong. >Of course his theories predict you would say that... ;) Well only because she REALLY has issues buried deep within her psyche. fed from her constantly repressed feelings of Anger towards her mother and a father that was never around enough. :) (-: :) <--- See smile faces Freudian Joke: P.S. I think Mari is an awesome person!! And as long as she forgets what I look like is really nice to me at events :) Jeff The Z-pig pilot From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 22:58:20 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Jeff Lloyd" , Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:50:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Rallye Tires for SoloII Mmmm, I'm thinking that Rally tires of any sort would have soft sidewalls due to all the sideways time that they spend while racing. Softer sidewalls than the regular R tires that we run on anyway. Dunno. Worth a shot I guess as long as it's your money we're spending. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >No Eric, Look at the Michelin N series Page 82 of last month's sportscar. > >They are made in true metric sizes and are available in 3 compounds, one for >short sprints!! > >And hey for $100 apiece it might be worth a chance heck any Michelin for >that price is worth it > >Jeff > >PS. the Z pig is 2800# lbs not 3800#, SHESH... give her some credit... From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 23:08:14 2000 From: Ajstratton@aol.com To: eric10mm@qni.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:06:46 EDT Subject: Re: Rallye Tires for SoloII I inquired to one of the ads earlier this year. The guy told me I wouldn't be happy. If he don't wanna sell me tires, that says a lot. Alan From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 23:29:31 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Jeff Lloyd" , "Mari L Clements" , Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:21:34 -0500 Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) (Big confused look on face) I........think........I've ........just........been.........insulted.............. But KnuckleDragger likes it when da wimmens hurt me. ;^) Eric (Ugg) Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >Although leave Eric alone, He gets easily startled around "EDUMAKATED >WIMMEN" >Dat's ok Eric All dem dere letters after her name are ok she woun hurt ya :) >Jeff Lloyd From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sat Aug 12 23:36:26 2000 From: "David Hedderick" To: "Steve Ashcraft" , Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:59:40 -0500 Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs Mark Chiles did it at Meridian. It was a fast course as well. I seem to remember a couple of guys named Strano and Thomas moving pretty well too. ;-) David Hedderick (I drive slower so I can see the course better. Yeah that's the ticket!) -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ashcraft To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, August 12, 2000 4:48 AM Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs >I think the point is that at least two BS drivers on the 2nd day were >bouncing off the rev limiter in 3rd which even in a 6 speed Miata is pretty >fast (can anyone give me a mph)-- especially on a runway. I like to go fast >but I really don't want to see solo II which is growing very fast take a big >hit due to increased insurance costs just because no one is paying attention >to "speed creep". (Not to mention the people who get hurt) > >Just my $.02 >Steve > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 8:56 AM >Subject: Re: 3rd gear/Miata/NEDivs > > >> rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: >> >> > Uhhhh - I had a radar gun, but I believe that Alan Sheidler was >> > operating it during the S/S competition at the Peru Tour. >> >> I had it during ESP, BS, EM, and AM(L?) on the first day. The MarcusMobile >> was doing 68, the McKamey V8 sprite-thingy was in the low 70's, and the AM >> car was like 82-83 or so. >> >> The Miatae were well off that. >> >> My datalogger (wheel speed sensor, so no accelerometer error *mutter*) >> reported a rev-limited 68 in the finish on Day 2. Had I shifted (or had >> another 300 RPM on the limiter) I might have seen a low 70. >> >> > Speed creep at events led to the current wording in the rulebook. >> > Is it happening again? >> >> Those speeds don't strike me as being all that fast.... What does the >> rulebook say? >> >> DG >> > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 13 09:09:27 2000 From: "Donn Sundeen" To: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:04:16 -0400 Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (and some tech type RX-7 stuff) Kurt wrote < the 13B and the Buick V-6 weigh about the same(trust me on this, I've < checked it out with evil intentions) END I'm curious as to how much rotary engines weigh. Does anyone have the numbers. A better question might be; You want to build a ~1400 lb car and you want it to have ~180hp what engine would you use. Donn From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 13 09:49:35 2000 From: Dennis Hale To: Jeff@cyberconceptz.com Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 08:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rally Tires I ran a rally prepped and tired RX7 at this summer's Hoopa Hillclimb when my slick tired 510 broke down. I found the tires not particularly attractive for the application, and surmise the same for autocross. The carcass was stiff enough to have no roll over like a good R type tire but the rubber seemed way harder or at least "squirmier". The second run I found sliding was fun and easy but slower than staying on the edge. Maybe a flat concrete autocross situation would be better but on steep asphalt they were no secret solution. ===== Dennis Hale __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 13 12:31:35 2000 From: jwalter@ptra.com To: ax-digest@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:31:10 -0500 Subject: 12a weight I can pick up any of our 12a's by myself. The 283, the MoPar 360 and the Pontiac/Olds 403 require assistance. Oh wait, that's not technical enough for the list, please disregard. James Rogerson [FP #125] - Techless Racing "Nails are glue, hypothetically speaking" - Lou Fertile "Men that like golf are unhappy at home and incapable of having a meaningful relationship with women" - Joseph Heller The census records were used in 1941-2 to identify, abduct and imprison innocent Japanese Americans. Be sure to fill out yours. Trust them. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 13 16:51:32 2000 From: "Brandon C. Fetch" To: pfoster@gdi.net Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:51:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Great Gift Idea Paul wrote: And if I ever get shot in the ass it may help save my life! What, you planning on autox'ing with Eric from KC pretty soon? Back to lurk mode. Brandon 86DS '99 Neon R/T pfoster@gdi.net on 08/12/2000 07:48:14 AM Please respond to pfoster@gdi.net@Internet To: wheeltowheel@wheeltowheel.com@Internet, autox@autox.team.net@Internet cc: Subject: Great Gift Idea I recently ordered a carbon fiber 'flipfold' wallet from the CtheFiber folks: http://www.cthefiber.com/ Although a bit pricey at $75 it is really well constructed. I highly recommend it for the racer who has everything. And if I ever get shot in the ass it may help save my life! Paul Foster ******************************************************************************* Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP ******************************************************************************* From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 13 20:40:13 2000 From: Ron Dillman To: "autox@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:16:28 -0500 Subject: Re:Tool Brands and Quality. Several years ago J.C. Pennys' sold the EXACT SAME tool as Snap-On under the J.C. Penny name. Don't know it they still do this, but the few I bought didn't have the Snap-On price, but if you laid them next to the same size Snap-On tool you couldn't tell the difference. Check it out and let me know if Penney's still does it. Ron Dillman From autox-owner@autox.team.net Sun Aug 13 21:41:50 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Brandon C. Fetch" , Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:30:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Great Gift Idea Hey!!! I've never shot anybody that didn't REALLY deserve it. ;^) And from a friend whose Cowboy Action Shooting "handle" is Backshooter (they dress in the old western style clothes, have nicknames and shoot old west style guns) comes the following quote: "If a man truly deserves to be shot it matters not which way he faces, only where he stands." Nuff said 'bout that. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >Paul wrote: > >And if I ever get shot in the ass it may help save my life! > >What, you planning on autox'ing with Eric from KC pretty soon? > >Back to lurk mode. > >Brandon >86DS '99 Neon R/T From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 06:46:39 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: autox-cm@autox.team.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:38:16 -0500 Subject: Cen-Div event/Peru Can anyone tell me how CM stacked up this weekend at Peru???? Mike B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 07:07:01 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:04:00 -0400 Subject: Therepy Time! Mari Clemts wrote: > mlc > '88 Yale University BA in Psychology > '92 University of Denver MA in Psychology > '94 University of Denver Ph.D. in Psychology > Member of... > American Psychological Association, > American Psychological Society, > Society for Research in Child Development, > Association for Advancement of Behavior Therapy, > National Council on Family Relations, > (and Sports Car Club of America), > but not a member of the American Psychoanalytic Society (or Freud's fan > club). > woo hoo! I've finally written a signature line longer than Linnhoff's! [puts down pipe, strokes goatee, and folds hands into a little tent] ...and so, Mari, how does that make you feel? DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 07:16:52 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:08:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Therepy Time! All of that and your not a member of Emily's List??????? Mike B. 99cm dg50@daimlerchrysler.com wrote: > Mari Clemts wrote: > > > mlc > > '88 Yale University BA in Psychology > > '92 University of Denver MA in Psychology > > '94 University of Denver Ph.D. in Psychology > > Member of... > > American Psychological Association, > > American Psychological Society, > > Society for Research in Child Development, > > Association for Advancement of Behavior Therapy, > > National Council on Family Relations, > > (and Sports Car Club of America), > > but not a member of the American Psychoanalytic Society (or Freud's fan > > club). > > > woo hoo! I've finally written a signature line longer than Linnhoff's! > > [puts down pipe, strokes goatee, and folds hands into a little tent] > > ...and so, Mari, how does that make you feel? > > DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 08:35:34 2000 From: "Ron Ver Mulm" To: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:30:52 -0500 Subject: Pikes Peak National Tour Hey gang, R & S Racing will be at the National Tour at Pikes Peak on 8/18. If you're needing tires for the tour or the Solo/2 Nationals give us a call at (888)261-1243 or order online at: http://www.rsracing.com/hoosier/hosindx.htm See you there, Ron Ver Mulm R & S Racing Inc. #36CP (888)261-1243 http://www.rsracing.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 08:39:52 2000 From: "Kearney, Thomas" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:38:30 -0400 Subject: NEDiv results posted Sorry for the delay but to those interested, results can be found at: http://www.flr-scca.com/solo/00divisional/results.html Adobe PDF will be available sometime early this week. T H A N K S, Tom Kearney From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 08:47:34 2000 From: Jeffrey Blankenship To: "'Mark J. Andy'" , Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:46:20 -0500 Subject: RE: Spec class? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J. Andy [mailto:marka@telerama.com] > Subject: Re: Spec class? > At least 1st gen miatas are under $10k down to say $3k, which at least > makes it realistic for a racer with a budget to buy one (along with a > "real car" for daily driver duty). You've seen a 1st gen Miata for $3k? When I was looking earlier this year, that would just about buy a rear clip. Try $9k minimum for something that would run for a while without major repairs. A new '99 ACR can still be had for $11k if you're willing to travel. Used Miatas are only cheap when compared to new Miatas, and at a dealer, they'll price 'em up so high, a new one looks like the right choice. > The neat thing about DS is that a neon makes a great & practical daily > driver, the car is cheap to buy new or used, and the car is > competitive. > > Of course, everyone except neon drivers seems to hate the idea of an > affordable spec class, so we're apparently changing it. > My suggestion would be to leave DS the hell alone and let it > continue to fill that role, but I also understand the "sports car" > side of the club. Thats the way I've felt since joining up four years ago. The neon is hard to match against current sporty cars because the next step up from there is $6k away, which takes you from the low end of the market almost to the middle. So you have to be careful or there goes a truly affordable class. --- Jeffrey D. Blankenship Senior Technical Consultant jblanken@amdocs.com Amdocs - ITDS - TRIS+ neon enthusiast #478 Champaign, IL, USA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 08:47:59 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:49:40 -0400 Subject: Nationals: What to look for? As posted on Christoc.com Racing Forums: http://www.christoc.com/cgi-bin/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000002.html ----------------- So what all should I look forward to in my first attempt at going to Nationals? Besides getting beat really bad...? Chris -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 09:01:22 2000 From: rohns@doitnow.com (Jim & Marilyn Rohn) To: "Christopher Hammond" , Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:04:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Nationals: What to look for? At 10:49 AM 8/14/00, Christopher Hammond wrote: >As posted on Christoc.com Racing Forums: >http://www.christoc.com/cgi-bin/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000002.html >----------------- >So what all should I look forward to in my first attempt at going to >Nationals? Besides getting beat really bad...? > >Chris The awesome size of the place, the friendly competitors, Baby Dolls, the parties, the annual talent show, Baby Dolls, the fact that your class has over 30 cars in it, all just like yours, the 1000+ vehicles in the paddock area, the Airplane museum, Baby Dolls, friendly people from the city, etc :-) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 09:11:29 2000 From: jon e prevo To: bswilliams@myriad.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:06:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Wichita Kansas, Monday, August 21? Amen, on all accounts. Especially the Shiner! Jon FP 73 On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:13:24 -0500 "Williams" writes: > Phil, > I hope your 'adventure' in the TR4 is a plesant one. I've had good > and bad > in a Triumph. > Be sure to bring LOTS of sunscreen, and a cool attitude. You'll > need both. > 106 yesterday (Friday) here in College Station, Tx. (3 hours east of > San > Antonio). > BTW down here, if you ask for directions you'll be told how many > hours it is > to your destination. Add 25% to what they tell you. All distances > are > estimated at persuit speed. > I also recomend you try Shiner Bock Beer while you're in Texas. > > Bryan Williams > Beer Money Racing > EP16 Mustang (For Sale Racing) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Ethier > To: british-cars@autox.team.net ; > triumphs@autox.team.net ; > lotus-cars@lists.best.com > ; autox@autox.team.net > > Cc: ethier@tcfreenet.org ; pethier@isd.net > > Date: Saturday, August 12, 2000 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: Wichita Kansas, Monday, August 21? > > > >Can we get together for food and bench-racing somewhere in Wichita > on > Monday > >evening, August 21? I'd really like to meet some car folks. > > > >I will be stopping overnight on my way north, driving my TR4 to its > new > home > >in Saint Paul from its old home in San Antonio. > > > >I am also still open to suggestions of where to sleep and park the > car. > I'd > >like something clean, with working plumbing and electricity. No > luxury > >touches needed. A safe place to park the car is a must. Something > >equivalent to Topeka's Raceway Inn would be good enough. I have > not been > to > >Wichita for over 25 years, so I don't know the territory. > > > >Phil "where's Arlie Hart when we really need him" Ethier > >Saint Paul Minnesota USA > >1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban, 1962 > Triumph TR4 to > >come... > >LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ > >"If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green > > > > > > > > > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 09:07:04 2000 From: Randy Chase To: Christopher Hammond Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:12:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Nationals: What to look for? 1. It's huge. Really huge. Really very huge. Did I mention it's huge? Parking may be far away by the time you get there, unless your class/region/buddy has roped off or marked off parking areas. By the same token, do not park your car in an area that is claimed already. You may end up parking far enough away that walking to the event main area is out of the question. In other words, you will drive to the concession stand. 2. There are concession stands with good food and drinks. 3. There is not much shade, plan accordingly. Drink lots of fluids....oh, there are lots of Portable toilets scattered around. 4. Weather in Kansas can be anything at this time of year. Be prepared for anything. Anything. 5. Walk the course a lot. A lot. 2 times in NOT a lot. Trust me..I know. 6. You may hear references to a place called "Baby Dolls". It is not a maternity or toy store. It is an 'adult exotic dance establishment' located on Topeka Blvd just north of Forbes field. Some people may choose to meet there at certain times as a grope..er..group activity. Bring small bills...it is bad form to ask a dancer for change. 8) 7. There is a laundry place north of 470 on the west side of Topeka Blvd. You can do your own clothes here, or better yet is paying a small charge to have the people there wash, dry, and fold your clothes. This is really a cool way to go if you don't mind dropping a few bills....you did save some money from Baby Dolls, didn't you? 8. Take part in the social activities that are offered (but walk the course!). One of the main reasons to attend Nats is the people there. 9. There are car washes on Topeka north of Forbes, including do it yourself coin spray types. 10. Remember, it's more serious, but the main focus still should be on having a good time. 11. It's huge. Randy Chase (going to Topeka this year) '91 MR2 CS From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 10:23:54 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'BSP'" , "'Team.net'" , Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:16:50 -0700 Subject: LT4 4 sale 96' LT4 Corvette. 6 spd, Z51 white w gray int. 29k miles. All stock except ARE torque thrust wheels and BFG KD tires. $28,500.00obo. Also has assorted go fast goodies that fit LT4 and LT1: Tri-flo cat back system, Koni shocks, K&N filter, open air box lid, grand sport sway bar and fender flares. Contact Gene at gcracing@uswest.net From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 11:26:06 2000 From: "Jodi Fordahl" To: , , Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:17:43 -0700 Subject: RE: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. Maybe your wife. I personally wouldn't be caught dead watching those channels and neither would most of the women I know. -Jodi Fordahl I stay away from anything thats Chinese!!!!!!!!! Harbor Fright sells tons of the stuff. If you don't want to spend a fortune buying Snap-on or Proto or SK but heres a suggestion. Watch QVC or Home Shopping!!! I bought an entire set of Craftsman hand tools just to keep in the trailer for $229.00. Its pretty much everything you would need to tear down a CM car to the "Tub"!!!! This set of tools was for sale the next week at Sears in Kansas City for $699.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can get a really good deal on tools if you watch these channels(Get your wife to do it and call you out of the garage)often. Mike(It worked for me)B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 11:50:06 2000 From: Adam Popp To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:46:00 -0400 Subject: Announcing@Nationals Hello team.netters! I've been announcing this year at a couple BFG cendiv events and I just announced the 3rd Heat both days at this past weekend's Cendiv Divisionals at the Grissom Aeroplex in Peru, Indiana. I enjoy announcing and I have recieved many compliments. I was wondering who I need to contact to see if I can announce at this year's nationals in Topeka. I don't mind working at a corner station on course, because I can see what type of lines people are takeing while they run, and I don't mind running after cones every once and awhile, but I have a lot more fun announcing in the announce vehicle and entertaining people. Roleigh Boreen, Marlene Obenour or anybody else that can help me land an announce job at this year's nats, I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance, I'm out. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 12:24:14 2000 From: Adam Popp To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:16:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Cen-Div event/Peru Hello Mike. I believe after the 1st Day Gary Gadula had the lead. Peter Coulhoun, Todd(the other one who lives near Chicago and who tried to moon me this past Saturday before my 1st run, but I looked away when he did so) Green, Bill Smiley, were in the battle and a couple others were also. I couldn't tell you won over all in CM this weekend, sorry. Could anybody else help us out? Both courses were pretty good. Saturday's course was almost like a road course with pylons. Sunday's course was more technical and more like nationals courses, but pretty fast. It was a pretty well runned event, but they could of cut back on those radio audits:) Great battles in most of the classes, great weather all weekend besides a few sprinkles on Sunday morning and no problems with the course design or any cars colliding on course. Overall a great event. I didn't do as well as I would liked this past weekend but I did have some fun though. I finished 8th out of 14 drivers in B/SP. B/SP's biggest class around here in years! Daniel won B/SP of course, kicking all us B/SPer's asses. Lets see I was 1.7 behind him on Saturday and about 3.2 seconds on Sunday. I think I might have to protest his autocross skills at this year's nats,:) or I just have to improve mine. Eric Heller finished about 2.1 seconds behind him overall, and Larry Diemer finished in 3rd. Here are some other results from this past weekend in Peru.... B/M- Domeck, Pettigrew, Sharnberg F/M- Nardin, Whitling? E/SP-Stemler, Haufman, Feighner, Maradeth??? S/S- Dvorak, Braun, Strano C/S- Potocki, Burger D/S- Hughes, Miller H/S- Hearne, Harns C/SPL-D.Shweikle F/SPL-L. Krueger A/P- G. Kinney B/P- I believe T. Willoughbey, A.Murrell? C/P- R. Ver Mulm If anybody else could help me out with the rest of the results that would be good, but Jeff Cashmore should have the results up on the BFG Cendiv site very soon. That's it for now, I'm out. Mike Bultemeier wrote: > > Can anyone tell me how CM stacked up this weekend at Peru???? > > Mike B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 12:27:37 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: Jodi Fordahl Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:18:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. Well I guess she told me!!!!!! I had no idea that all women don't watch QVC and HSC????? I would have never have guessed?? Mike(I have been put in my place once again! Don't plan to stay there)B. Jodi Fordahl wrote: > Maybe your wife. I personally wouldn't be caught dead watching those > channels and neither would most of the women I know. > -Jodi Fordahl > > I stay away from anything thats Chinese!!!!!!!!! Harbor Fright sells tons of > the stuff. > If you don't want to spend a fortune buying Snap-on or Proto or SK but > heres > a suggestion. Watch QVC or Home Shopping!!! I bought an entire set of > Craftsman > hand tools just to keep in the trailer for $229.00. Its pretty much > everything you would need to tear down a CM car to the "Tub"!!!! This set of > tools was for sale the > next week at Sears in Kansas City for $699.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can get > a really good > deal on tools if you watch these channels(Get your wife to do it and call > you > out of the garage)often. > > Mike(It worked for me)B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 13:01:00 2000 From: jac73@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:03:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Oil (and PTFE) Late, because I was off-line for a bit while visiting the desert southwest and testing secret stuff... In short, Teflon/PTFE in oil additives and filters and the like is a complete waste of money. The very BEST you can hope for from such a thing is no effect. I've personally rebuilt (customer) engines that were "Slick 50'd" into oblivion due to the PTFE gunk clogging up the filter, pickup screen, and an oil gallery or two. It doesn't stick to other things (low adhesion) but it does stick to itself quite well (high cohesion). Think about this: the people who sell this stuff will, in the same breath, tell you that PTFE is the slickest stuff around, but that it will *selectively* bond with certain bits inside your engine *but* *not* *others* if you just pour it in with its carrier oil. If you knew that PTFE-coated cookie sheets, for example, are coated by taking the stamped sheet, running it through a solvent bath to remove any oils, then putting it into a controlled atmosphere (usually argon) at an elevated temperature (350 or so degrees F) where the PTFE coating is sprayed on, you'd see that the PTFE engine additive marketers are grasping at some seriously thin logic straws here. In 1997, Petrolon, the marketers of Slick 50, were slapped by the Federal Trade Comission for deceptive ad practices -- they had no tests to back up their claims of 'most engine wear occurs at startup' and that Slick 50 would reduce emissions, increase fuel economy, and reduce engine wear, and had to remove those claims from their packaging and advertising. They still have no tests to back any of those claims up. Nor does anyone else marketing a PTFE additive. Other oil/engine "treatments" aren't any better. DuraLube is chemically almost identical to 1920s-vintage Conoco "Germ Treated" Motor Oil. The various additives with moly disulfide as an active ingredient have their own problems. Moly disulfide is a great dry-film lube (Ford, BMW, and others are coating piston skirts with it now) which is present in small amounts in just about any API-certified oil. Working on the priciple that "if some is good, more is better", the moly additive makers put a BUNCH in there, which is usually enough to displace some of the other additives in the solution, so some of the anti-oxidants, anti-foaming agents, detergents, etc. fall out and aren't there to do their jobs. I could go on in much more detail on this (I've done a fair bit of research on the subject), but you get the basic idea. Jim Crider DCX doesn't approve an oil additive or "engine treatment", either. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 13:20:15 2000 From: "Joe Delio" To: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:17:21 -0500 Subject: New Battery Hello all, My Acura battery (Panasonic I believe) which is 4 years old is dying. I need some recommendations what kind of new battery to get. I would like to get a decent battery I could still autocross with, but do not want to spend over $100. Thanks, Joe Delio justjoe@onramp.net 1996 Acura Integra LS AutoX #13 ES Texas Region SCCA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 13:44:00 2000 From: Stephen Bernard To: jac73@daimlerchrysler.com Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:41:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Oil (and PTFE) > Other oil/engine "treatments" aren't any better. DuraLube is > chemically > almost identical to 1920s-vintage Conoco "Germ Treated" Motor Oil. Duralube may be bad for engines but it works better than WD-40 on door hinges and the like. In the machine shop we used WD-40 exclusively and Duralube is better. I would never add it to an engine... again..... I tried that once in an older car but never again. Maybe the Duralube spray has a different makeup than the engine oil. Works great outside the engine. Steve Bernard Red '99 Miata (B-Stock) NER Region (Novice Class) mailto:Solo-2@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 13:47:54 2000 From: "Larry Steckel" To: jac73@daimlerchrysler.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:46:47 EDT Subject: Re: Oil (and PTFE) My previous employer tried to introduce a PTFE treatment aimed at the heavy truck industry (with no prior market research by the way ). We could not give the stuff away. It took me about two days to find out why. All of the major engine manufacturers for those trucks give a warranty of between 600,000 and 800,000 miles. And so most truck lines run their trucks untill the warranty expires and then trade them off. In every case, the warranty for the engine clearly stated that it was void if anything other than a specified group of oil viscosities and brands were used in the engine. At between $35,000 and $50,000 per rebuild, that's not chump change. So the product died. They also tried to pre-mix PTFE with a motor oil that had previously been granted an API donut. When the treated oil was submitted to the API, it was promptly tossed out on the grounds that it was now "adulterated". Didn't sell any of that stuff either. Expensive learning experience and bruised egos for the uppity ups. Larry Steckel >From: jac73@daimlerchrysler.com >Reply-To: jac73@daimlerchrysler.com >To: autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: Oil (and PTFE) >Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:03:01 -0400 > >Late, because I was off-line for a bit while visiting the desert southwest >and testing secret stuff... > >In short, Teflon/PTFE in oil additives and filters and the like is a >complete waste of money. The very BEST you can hope for from such a thing >is no effect. I've personally rebuilt (customer) engines that were "Slick >50'd" into oblivion due to the PTFE gunk clogging up the filter, pickup >screen, and an oil gallery or two. It doesn't stick to other things (low >adhesion) but it does stick to itself quite well (high cohesion). > >Think about this: the people who sell this stuff will, in the same breath, >tell you that PTFE is the slickest stuff around, but that it will >*selectively* bond with certain bits inside your engine *but* *not* >*others* if you just pour it in with its carrier oil. If you knew that >PTFE-coated cookie sheets, for example, are coated by taking the stamped >sheet, running it through a solvent bath to remove any oils, then putting >it into a controlled atmosphere (usually argon) at an elevated temperature >(350 or so degrees F) where the PTFE coating is sprayed on, you'd see that >the PTFE engine additive marketers are grasping at some seriously thin >logic straws here. > >In 1997, Petrolon, the marketers of Slick 50, were slapped by the Federal >Trade Comission for deceptive ad practices -- they had no tests to back up >their claims of 'most engine wear occurs at startup' and that Slick 50 >would reduce emissions, increase fuel economy, and reduce engine wear, and >had to remove those claims from their packaging and advertising. They >still have no tests to back any of those claims up. Nor does anyone else >marketing a PTFE additive. > >Other oil/engine "treatments" aren't any better. DuraLube is chemically >almost identical to 1920s-vintage Conoco "Germ Treated" Motor Oil. The >various additives with moly disulfide as an active ingredient have their >own problems. Moly disulfide is a great dry-film lube (Ford, BMW, and >others are coating piston skirts with it now) which is present in small >amounts in just about any API-certified oil. Working on the priciple that >"if some is good, more is better", the moly additive makers put a BUNCH in >there, which is usually enough to displace some of the other additives in >the solution, so some of the anti-oxidants, anti-foaming agents, >detergents, etc. fall out and aren't there to do their jobs. > >I could go on in much more detail on this (I've done a fair bit of research >on the subject), but you get the basic idea. > >Jim Crider > >DCX doesn't approve an oil additive or "engine treatment", either. > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 13:58:14 2000 From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:55:24 EDT Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (and some tech type RX-7 stuff) >> I'm curious as to how much rotary engines weigh. Does anyone have the numbers. A better question might be; You want to build a ~1400 lb car and you want it to have ~180hp what engine would you use.<< ~~Don, Off the top of my head it's like 375 lbs in full dress and wet, 13B would be a good choice as would any small engine "Buy what you want. Fix what you can. And remember, if you had all of the money that you've spent on cars, you would spend it all on cars." Kurt"Wolfgang"Peterson CSP/ITS #22 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 1985 Buick Regal T-Type WH-1 1972 Buick SportWagon GS 455 1968 Buick Skylark http://members.aol.com/lwolfracin/home.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 13:59:50 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:57:15 GMT Subject: DTN Brings home the Wood! Just a little info on how the 2000 DTN is doing prior to the Nationals. The SEDiv had it's first Solo2 Championship event this weekend and I was able to squeek out a trophy position in C-Stock. Finished third in a seven competitor class, consisting of an MR-2, an RX-7, a 1.6 Miata, Porsche 944, a 280z and the Alfa (co-driven by co-DTN nominee David Hawkins). C-Stock was also the largest class of the event and one of the more closely contended. 2nd to third margin was a few hundrendths of a second and 2nd through forth was less than a second for the weekend. Thanks to all competitors who showed up for a wonderful weekend of autox and especially the "C-Stock Goofballs" for making this the best competition I've ever had the honor of competing with! Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 15:37:35 2000 From: "JCGZ3" To: , , Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:31:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? Ok, but how did the 99 Miata then compete in 98? Was it classed specifically? ---JCG ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? > In a message dated 8/9/00 4:32:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SVPViper@aol.com > writes: > > << Where would the Z06 Corvette be classed at National's? They are already > hitting the streets, and I was wondering if they would fall under the > non-classed car rule and go to SS? >> > > "Sec. 3.1 Eligible Vehicles" reads in part: "Cars designated as being of a > model > year later than the current year are not eligible to compete in Divisional, > Tour, > or Solo II National Championships, unless they have been specifically classed > by the SEB." > > GH Sharp > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 15:58:22 2000 From: Mark Darby To: Jeffrey Blankenship , Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Spec class? Amen My Neon Brothers! Any plan that could possibly loose a sponsor for our sport,should be re-thought. I will also agree that I understand the need for better definition in the higher classes yet the potential cost to me,my fellow Neon drivers,and the SCCA in general is too high. Remember Neon drivers: You have a responsibility to yourself and other Neon drivers to let the SCAC know what you think-------So go on and write those letters,emails,and faxes! Mark"Rainman"Darby #3 DS --- Jeffrey Blankenship wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark J. Andy [mailto:marka@telerama.com] > > Subject: Re: Spec class? > > > At least 1st gen miatas are under $10k down to say > $3k, which at least > > makes it realistic for a racer with a budget to > buy one (along with a > > "real car" for daily driver duty). > > You've seen a 1st gen Miata for $3k? > When I was looking earlier this year, that would > just about buy > a rear clip. Try $9k minimum for something that > would run for a while > without major repairs. A new '99 ACR can still be > had for $11k if you're > willing to travel. Used Miatas are only cheap when > compared to new > Miatas, and at a dealer, they'll price 'em up so > high, a new one looks > like the right choice. > > > The neat thing about DS is that a neon makes a > great & practical daily > > driver, the car is cheap to buy new or used, and > the car is > > competitive. > > > > Of course, everyone except neon drivers seems to > hate the idea of an > > affordable spec class, so we're apparently > changing it. > > > My suggestion would be to leave DS the hell alone > and let it > > continue to fill that role, but I also understand > the "sports car" > > side of the club. > > Thats the way I've felt since joining up four years > ago. The neon is > hard to match against current sporty cars because > the next step up > from there is $6k away, which takes you from the low > end of the > market almost to the middle. So you have to be > careful or there goes > a truly affordable class. > --- > Jeffrey D. Blankenship Senior > Technical Consultant > jblanken@amdocs.com Amdocs - > ITDS - TRIS+ > neon enthusiast #478 > Champaign, IL, USA __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 17:12:06 2000 From: Ghsharp@aol.com To: jcgz3@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:10:26 EDT Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? In a message dated 8/14/00 5:45:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jcgz3@hotmail.com writes: > Ok, but how did the 99 Miata then compete in 98? Was it classed > specifically? Didn't the '99 Miata come out in the spring of '98? Most "mid-year" new model introductions are classed by SCAC and SEB if they are popular Solo II cars. The purpose of the rule in question is to prevent someone running a new-model-year car that becomes available just prior to Nationals but which may have an unknown performance potential for Solo II. GH From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 17:22:25 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Pat Kelly" , Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:24:09 -0700 Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Kelly To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:54 AM Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) > > The 24 years referred to Scot's claim on his dad's truck; our van is > only an 86; 10 years younger! And maintenance costs have not been that > bad as long as we stay away from a Ford dealer. The biggest cost this > year was making the fuel gauge read; as you know, Charlie, that's a very > important feature for a 460 V8! Gotta have it. Actually, it's pretty important for a 360 V8 too! (This is the "small" engine in 3/4- and 1-ton Fords of the mid-70's.) Dad says his truck won't get into double-digit mpg figures these days without a good tailwind. Good thing it has two tanks, or the Road to Topeka (tm) would be very long for me! Scot From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 17:22:23 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:21:18 -0700 Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) Yeah, it's held up pretty well. Dad did finally replace the engine last year, but everything else works. Scot ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Kelly To: Scot Zediker Cc: Mari L Clements ; Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 9:54 AM Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) > Ugly is only in the eyes of the beholder. We think our 87 Econoline 350 > is downright handsome--it gets us there and back, what more can you ask? > If it's a Chevy maybe it's only 10 years; if it's a Ford, we now have > testimony to 24 years. > --Pat Kelly > > Scot Zediker wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mari L Clements > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 9:31 AM > > Subject: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New > > Miata) > > > > > CHuck-- > > > > > > > (new Chevy truck, which won't need to be replaced > > > > before it's paid off, so I can keep it 10 years or so...) > > > > > > That's one heck of a loan. Did Huck sell you on that 10 year term? : > > > > I thought he was trying to say the truck would last 10 years or so, not that > > he had that long a loan on it ;) > > > > BTW, my dad still has the same F250 he bought new in August 1976. If anyone > > wants to see it, it'll be towing my Miata to Nationals. It's a big ugly > > blue thing. :) > > > > Scot > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 17:25:02 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: , "Mari L Clements" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:28:45 -0700 Subject: Cheap places to play (was loan terms and a bunch of other stuff) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mari L Clements To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:00 PM Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) > '91 MR2 NA <-- CS (another great place to play if you don't want to buy > a new car every year) Agreed, although I will probably want to go faster at some point... then it's CSP with the existing ride, or buying another Stock ride, or buying a shifter kart (which I could tow behind my Miata without much trouble). > '96 Dodge Cummins Turbo Diesel--at 170K+, it's barely halfway to the > Cummins recommended rebuild Hmmm... how much do these guys cost used? I'm looking into buying a tow rig once my options kick in. Scot '91 CS Miata - another inexpensive autox car, which DOESN'T sound like a tractor (sorry, Mari :) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 17:28:13 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "John Steczkowski" , Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:31:58 -0700 Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Steczkowski To: Bruce Wentzel ; Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:26 PM Subject: Re: RX7 displacement (was:Z06 Corvette and Nationals?) > Dang it, I hate it when that happens, Bruce is right, the rotor turns 1/3 as > fast as the eccentric shaft, so you get two firing pulses per rpm, the same > as a 4 cylinder.... Still, 255hp is pretty impressive for a turbo 4-banger, no? Scot '91 CS Miata - with a reciprocating four :) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 18:59:26 2000 From: Engstrom To: "'AutoCross Mailing List'" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:54:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals: What to look for? Randy Chase wrote: > 1. It's huge. Really huge. Really very huge. Did I mention it's huge? [SNIP] > 11. It's huge. You forgot to mention something. 12. Since this is a national event, be sure to check your Driver's License before you run. If it says "Randy Chase", then proceed immediately to your paddock space and empty your trunk and remove your spare tire. John "Mod cars don't have a spare tire" Engstrom From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 19:08:47 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net, autox-cm@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:07:17 EDT Subject: Who Will Win??? I got my copy of SportCar today. Well SportsCar had better start printing those "SportsCar was wrong" tee shirts real fast!! You guys need to make lots of them. When will the vote start on Team.Net for the real winners???? Mike( This looks like a high school popularity contest)B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 20:12:33 2000 From: Stephen Bernard To: jcgz3@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:10:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? > Ok, but how did the 99 Miata then compete in 98? Was it classed > specifically? There was no 1998 Miata it was held over to be a 1999 model so it skips a year. Steve Bernard Red '99 Miata (B-Stock) NER Region (Novice Class) mailto:Solo-2@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 20:46:58 2000 From: Rick Brown To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:39:12 -0700 Subject: C5 Computer Location Buddy of mine is trying to locate the computer in his C5 Corvette to install a B&M shift chip. Anybody know the location of the relevant box and how to get at it? Thanks. Rick Brown BP Corvette From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 20:49:28 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Engstrom" , Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Nationals: What to look for? ----- Original Message ----- From: Engstrom To: 'AutoCross Mailing List' Cc: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Nationals: What to look for? > Randy Chase wrote: > > > 1. It's huge. Really huge. Really very huge. Did I mention it's huge? > [SNIP] > > 11. It's huge. > > You forgot to mention something. > > 12. Since this is a national event, be sure to check your Driver's License > before you run. If it says "Randy Chase", then proceed immediately to > your paddock space and empty your trunk and remove your spare tire. 13. Also, if your license says "Randy Chase," remember to retrieve your helmet from your trailer PRIOR TO driving onto grid. ;););) Scot '91 CS Miata From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 22:23:01 2000 From: HAVOCDEAN@aol.com To: Autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:21:44 EDT Subject: Wanted!!!!!!! All women going to Topeka!!!!!! Dear ladies!!!!!! I'm working on a special project for Topeka. I will need about 12 women who would like to take part in this. This WILL be your worker assignment for the Solo2 Nationals. Please email me for details. Dean Sapp #138, F/S Mustang Cobra From autox-owner@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 23:15:26 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Scot Zediker" , Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:07:15 -0500 Subject: Re: loan terms (was: Class Cost of Ownership and before that: New Miata) That's because your 360 is missing a bunch of cubic inches. It were truly a big block the extra hundred or so cubib inches mean that the engine won't have to work as hard to tow that trailer. Kinda like drag racing. Some folks like to build 600 hp small block Chevys while others prefer to take the slight weight disadvantage (less weight than having me as your passenger, that's for sure) and build a 600 hp big block. Guess which engine will last longer AND be cheaper to build AND may still be driveable on the street. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >Actually, it's pretty important for a 360 V8 too! (This is the "small" >engine in 3/4- and 1-ton Fords of the mid-70's.) Dad says his truck won't >get into double-digit mpg figures these days without a good tailwind. > >Good thing it has two tanks, or the Road to Topeka (tm) would be very long >for me! > >Scot From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 00:27:15 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net, BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:24:45 EDT Subject: BFG Team T/A SEDiv Solo2 - We Did It!!! They said it couldn't be done....but we did it. Just want to thank everyone who helped make the BFGoodrich Team T/A SEDiv Solo2 event in Ozark, AL a successful happening. In particular the following folks deserve recogniton for a job well done: BFGoodrich Team T/A Evolution Performance Driving School Edwards & Edwards Consulting The Wiregrass Region The Middle Georgia Region The Event Chiefs and Officials The turnout of 97 competitors was a little disappointing considering we had 145 pre-registered entrants, but about typical with past SEDiv events. The SEDiv competitors that did make the trip to south Alabama were treated to a bone-dry weekend of foot-stomping, wheel-yanking action. For those of you who think that winning on BFG g-Force R1 tires is ancient history, several big class wins proved that you can't cross off BFG from the autocross picture just yet. The same basic course was used on both days running in opposite directions. The course consisted of a variety of slaloms, sweepers, and offsets run mostly on the 360 ft x 1200 ft brushed concrete helicopter landing pad, with two big sweepers added on the adjacent slippery asphalt runways to keep things interesting. FTTD for both days was in the low-mid 50 second range, and no surprise for them both to be set by the Atlanta Region's Clint McMahan driving on an outrageously ragged edge in several different F Mod vehicles. Those competitors that didn't get their fill of grub at the local Holiday Inn's inclusive hot breakfast buffet certainly didn't go hungry. The Evolution Performance Driving School's sponsored daily lunch social ensured that nobody at the event went hungry. There was plenty for all with Subway party subs on Saturday and Domino's pizza on Sunday. A battalions worth of free cold soda's and chilled water were also consumed to wash down the daily feast, as well as keep the intense Alabama summer afternoon heat at bay. Many of the competitors scheduled to run in the afternoon took advantage of the hour long lunch social to refresh their knowledge of the course layout and inspect the surface conditions. Word has it that an unofficial hotel pool party pounded on until the wee hours Saturday night with lots of high jinks and consumption of adult beverages. Where the aqua-farious participants found the energy to stay awake is one of the best kept secrets of the weekend. The event went smoothly except for two snags of varying degree. On Saturday morning during Heat 2 an H Stock Ford Focus got crossed up and managed to damage both sides and the roof in the resulting low speed rollover. I don't care to comment much further except to say that driver was unhurt and no other competitors experienced any similar problem at this, or any other, area of course for either day. Hopefully it will help reinforce the simple fact that we are only running for time and that it's much more prudent to give up the run rather than risk destroying a vehicle. On Sunday a problem with the starting timer was traced to a corroded connector and delayed the start of competition for a short period of time. Despite the minor annoyance we still managed to finish up trophy presentations and have everyone on their way back home by 4 pm. We hope to have the results posted soon at the SEDiv Solo2 website at www.eec.com/sediv. Out of the 97 competitors there were 50 trophy winners! Of special note, the winner of the Edwards & Edwards Consulting-sponsored Rookie PAX Challenge competition was Brian Ricci of Panama City, FL , who also managed to win a 2nd place trophy in the open class competition in his D Stock Neon. We'd also like to pay homage to Spencer Elliot from Columbus, GA; the young Formula Jr. kart driver who managed to make big improvements in time with each run, while mom, dad, and a family friend made a quality-time weekend of it by sharing rides in a new Toyota MR Spyder with their daughter serving as pit crew support, proving that Solo2 is indeed a family-oriented sport. This event provided plenty of fun and good times for everyone, all you had to do was attend! Look for a more detailed report of the event coverage in an upcoming issue of the premier autocrossing periodical, North American Pylon. Again, many thanks to everyone that did more than their share of the work to make the event go smoothly. Give yourself a pat on the back; you earned it and it showed. Mark Sipe Event Chair & SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 00:34:20 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: , Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:26:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Wanted!!!!!!! All women going to Topeka!!!!!! WOOHOO!!! Cheerleaders at Nationals!!! What an excellent idea Dean. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- > I'm working on a special project for Topeka. I will need about 12 >women who would like to take part in this. This WILL be your worker >assignment for the Solo2 Nationals. > > Please email me for details. > >Dean Sapp #138, F/S Mustang Cobra From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 01:41:04 2000 From: GSMnow@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 03:39:37 EDT Subject: Re:Nationals, What to look for In a message dated 8/14/00 11:24:05 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-ax-digest@autox.team.net writes: << So what all should I look forward to in my first attempt at going to Nationals? Besides getting beat really bad...? >> Last year was my first time. I wish I had gone many years sooner. My wife and I (we got married this year) had a great time and recomend it to anyone who takes autocrossing at all serious, and even if you don't, there is nothing like being around 1000 autocrossers in one place. It may not be safe, but it sure is fun. We didn't make it to the talent show or Baby Dolls, but there was still plenty to keep us busy. The 6 runs you drive are such a small part of the week. NEVER expect to do well your first time there. I figured I might grab the final trophy spot, YEAH RIGHT. I didn't do terrible, but on the first day I found myself in 12th out of 18. After one run I was 6th in the trophies, but the other guys had cones and such, they improved seconds, I only clipped tenths. I drove better the second day with the "pressure" off, but still came out 10th of 18. My wife on the other hand had a solid second in ladies and held on to it for a trophy, and she had only been running 2 years to my 12. Too bad another first timer actually won so she didn't get top rookie. Go to have a good time with friends and treat it like a picknick instead of a race you are in. Coming from Chicago, we never get a course anything like these, and the size is unreal. Walking from your paddock space to north course is a hike, brinmg a bike, or take the CP bus if you are brave. Gary and Sara Meissner 42 ES and ESL this year Yoda Racing 95 Celica ST From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 02:09:39 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: rbrown7@pacbell.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:08:22 PDT Subject: Re: C5 Computer Location They moved the main ECM unit after the 1997 model year, if I recall correctly. It was right behind the passenger front wheel well, funny how lots of those cars kept dying in heavy rains... What I don't remember is where they moved it TO. If you don't get a definitive response by Thursday drop me a line and I'll look it up in the manual - I'm out of town right now. KeS >From: Rick Brown >Reply-To: Rick Brown >To: autox@autox.team.net >Subject: C5 Computer Location >Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:39:12 -0700 > >Buddy of mine is trying to locate the computer in his C5 Corvette to >install >a B&M shift chip. >Anybody know the location of the relevant box and how to get at it? >Thanks. > > >Rick Brown >BP Corvette > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 04:27:28 2000 From: "Charles R. Schultz" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 05:24:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Tool brands and quality? Non-Autox related. I wonder if this is the tool set y'all are talking about? Craftsman 215pc Mechanics' Tool Set Item Number V12469 QVC Price $195.00 Introductory Price $177.61 Shipping and Handling $17.47 Sears largest set in plastic molded four-drawer chest with storage. Includes: 3 drives in 1/4", 3/8", 1/2"; quick-release ratchet in each drive size, even extra-long ratchet 3/8"; screwdriver capability for slotted, phillips, torx; nutdriver capability for standard & metric; 40 hex keys, standard & metric; 122 sockets standard & metric in each driver size; deep sockets 1/4" & 3/8" drive; 4 sparkplug sockets 3/8" drive; 20 wrenches; 7 drive tools; 63 other tools. Guaranteed Forever/Sears. Made in USA.**IPS $786.33 ** All contents copyright © 1995 - 2000. QVC, Inc. All rights reserved. URL: http://www.qvc.com --------------------------- Jodi Fordahl wrote: > > Maybe your wife. I personally wouldn't be caught dead watching those > channels and neither would most of the women I know. > -Jodi Fordahl > > I stay away from anything thats Chinese!!!!!!!!! Harbor Fright sells tons of > the stuff. > If you don't want to spend a fortune buying Snap-on or Proto or SK but > heres > a suggestion. Watch QVC or Home Shopping!!! I bought an entire set of > Craftsman > hand tools just to keep in the trailer for $229.00. Its pretty much > everything you would need to tear down a CM car to the "Tub"!!!! This set of > tools was for sale the > next week at Sears in Kansas City for $699.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can get > a really good > deal on tools if you watch these channels(Get your wife to do it and call > you > out of the garage)often. > > Mike(It worked for me)B. 99cm -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Schultz/ Mailto:n2pua4@peoplepc.com / New Home page: http://www.n2pua4.webprovider.com/ Eastaboga / (Under construction forever!) Alabama / AIM Screen Name: n2pua ICQ ID Number: 11654121 36260 / It's not the thing you fling, but the fling, itself! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 07:08:11 2000 From: Alan Pozner To: "'Autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:04:40 -0400 Subject: RE: Wanted!!!!!!! All women going to Topeka!!!!!! >>Dear ladies!!!!!! >> >> I'm working on a special project for Topeka. I will need about 12 >>women who would like to take part in this. This WILL be your worker >>assignment for the Solo2 Nationals. >> >> Please email me for details. >> >>Dean Sapp #138, F/S Mustang Cobra ....unnnhh....must resist temptation to reply childishly.... must resist tempta.... unnnh... must not.....unnnhhhh From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 07:34:48 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:35:49 -0400 Subject: More Rookie Nationals Questions So I figure a bike is a must... but what about rollerblades instead? I know you can't have wheels on the course, but are Rollerblades ok instead of a bike? I wouldn't see why not, I think I am more likely to fall off a bike than on skates. -Chris Christoc.com Racing Forums http://www.christoc.com/forums/ -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 07:51:21 2000 From: Don Miller To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NorPac Divisional #3 results The results can be seen at http://www.geocities.com/turbospl311/results.htm . Overall it went very well with 98 competitors. A few small timing glitches which were finally tracked down to a bad solder connection but other than that things went smoothly. I want to thank everyone who came and gave me honest feedback. Next year we will change some of the items mentioned to make it a better event! Thanks, Katie!!!!!!! Don Miller Event Gofer Regional Executive Snake River Region __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 07:52:57 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:54:36 -0500 Subject: Fw: More Rookie Nationals Questions >From the www.christoc.com racing forums: The surface at Topeka is VERY broken up. They patch the heck out of it to make the course work, but it is pretty rough in the paddock areas. ROllerblades would probably be fatal! Also, from the supps: Skate boards (motorized or manual, with or without stand-up handlebars or seat), roller blades and roller skates (motorized or manual), are prohibited from use in all areas of the event site. Intent: Skate boards, in any form, or name, with the basic function/ form of a skateboard. The Chief Safety Steward will make the determination of vehicles qualifying under this regulation. Once you get there you will understand! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:35 AM Subject: More Rookie Nationals Questions > So I figure a bike is a must... but what about rollerblades instead? I know you can't have wheels on the course, but are Rollerblades ok instead of a bike? I wouldn't see why not, I think I am more likely to fall off a bike than on skates. > > -Chris > > Christoc.com Racing Forums > http://www.christoc.com/forums/ > > > -- > Christopher Hammond > http://www.christoc.com > -- > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 07:56:47 2000 From: Don Miller To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NorPac Divisional #3 results The results can be seen at http://www.geocities.com/turbospl311/results.htm . Overall it went very well with 98 competitors. A few small timing glitches which were finally tracked down to a bad solder connection but other than that things went smoothly. I want to thank everyone who came and gave me honest feedback. Next year we will change some of the items mentioned to make it a better event! Thanks, Katie!!!!!!! Don Miller Event Gofer Regional Executive Snake River Region __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 07:57:03 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:54:36 -0500 Subject: Fw: More Rookie Nationals Questions >From the www.christoc.com racing forums: The surface at Topeka is VERY broken up. They patch the heck out of it to make the course work, but it is pretty rough in the paddock areas. ROllerblades would probably be fatal! Also, from the supps: Skate boards (motorized or manual, with or without stand-up handlebars or seat), roller blades and roller skates (motorized or manual), are prohibited from use in all areas of the event site. Intent: Skate boards, in any form, or name, with the basic function/ form of a skateboard. The Chief Safety Steward will make the determination of vehicles qualifying under this regulation. Once you get there you will understand! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:35 AM Subject: More Rookie Nationals Questions > So I figure a bike is a must... but what about rollerblades instead? I know you can't have wheels on the course, but are Rollerblades ok instead of a bike? I wouldn't see why not, I think I am more likely to fall off a bike than on skates. > > -Chris > > Christoc.com Racing Forums > http://www.christoc.com/forums/ > > > -- > Christopher Hammond > http://www.christoc.com > -- > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 07:59:06 2000 From: "Arthur Emerson" To: christoc@mail.christoc.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:58:04 GMT Subject: Re: More Rookie Nationals Questions "Christopher Hammond" wrote: > >So I figure a bike is a must... but what about rollerblades >instead? Specifically prohibited under section C.12 of the supplemental regulations, as published in SportsCar and available for download at: http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/2000nationals/supps.pdf Most national-level events have this restriction in the supps, and I strongly recommend that everyone read them once in a while..... :-) -Arthur ("Yer feet haven't been banned --- yet" edition.) ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 08:06:31 2000 From: BRUBEL51@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:05:21 EDT Subject: Northeast Safety Stewards As the Divisional Chief Safety Steward of the Northeast, I want to thank all the stewards who have have given their time and expertise in making the better part of this year successful and safe. With all the inclement weather in the Northeast, events have been rather hard to work and harder to make safe. In as much as the few incidents that have been reported, I must congratulate those stewards on their fine work and neat and concise reports. Overall the Safety Stewards of the Northeast have done a fine and I thank you all.. Bruce Bellom DSSS From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 08:09:34 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:11:01 -0400 Subject: Re: More Rookie Nationals Questions Ok, I remember reading that in the regs now, it was a month or so ago..... I do remember thinking that's screwed up, bikes are ok, but no skates? That's too stereo typical. as posted on http://www.christoc.com/cgi-bin/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000002.html "Well.... I guess it will be a bike then! I just started riding a bike again two nights ago, and boy does my a** hurt!! But it is good exercise, I can get to the Family Arena in like 3 miles on the trail, as upposed to probably 7-10 by road! " Chris www.christoc.com/forums From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 08:51:42 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'autox'" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:50:17 -0500 Subject: new classifications Howdy all. Say, when exactly did/do the new Stock Class reclassifications go into effect? I could've sworn that they were not supposed to take effect until 1/1/2001. You know, move all of the "slow" DS cars (like the SE-R, the CRX-Si and the NX2000) into ES. And the E30 M3 gets moved from AS into GS. Etc, etc. Did I miss something again? Must've had my head in the keg again. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We must become the change we want to see." Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 08:56:32 2000 From: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com To: "Linnhoff, Eric" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:54:55 -0700 Subject: Re: new classifications Yup, you sure did. The new stock class reorg is targeted for 2001 implementation. The cars you specifically mentioned are moves that were proposed by members or the SCAC, recommended by the SCAC, put out for member comment , then reviewed and accepted by the SEB. Simple class changes, not part of the reorg. Watch your head : ) AB "Linnhoff, Eric" on 08/15/2000 10:50:17 AM Please respond to "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'autox'" cc: (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) Subject: new classifications Howdy all. Say, when exactly did/do the new Stock Class reclassifications go into effect? I could've sworn that they were not supposed to take effect until 1/1/2001. You know, move all of the "slow" DS cars (like the SE-R, the CRX-Si and the NX2000) into ES. And the E30 M3 gets moved from AS into GS. Etc, etc. Did I miss something again? Must've had my head in the keg again. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We must become the change we want to see." Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 09:02:21 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: , "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:05:56 -0400 Subject: Therotical tire purchase OK it's my birthday and I received as a gift from a friend that works in the tire business a gift certificate for any four tires I want.. I originally wanted to purchase the Kumho 712 due to kumho's good reputation in solo2 and good stories I've heard.... Now I called Tire Rack and I was told the Kumho leaves a good bit to be desired over the Bridgestone Pole Position S-02 Since my goal is to get the ultimate WET grip (I also want to use these as backup rain tires for solo2) and my dread After having my first serious hydroplaning experience a week ago. Now I called discount tire direct to see if they had another suggestion And they told me "NITTO 450 extreme" it seemed the tire rack sales person was much more "with it" but is he just trying to make money off me??? So any suggestions for ultimate wet grip? Or which one is the best from your experence? Kumho 712 Bridgestone PP S-02 Nitto 450 Jeff Lloyd From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 09:03:46 2000 From: Mari Clements To: HAVOCDEAN@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Wanted!!!!!!! All women going to Topeka!!!!!! Omigosh, you *really* are going to have the all-female tech team. mlc ------Original Message------ From: HAVOCDEAN@aol.com To: Autox@autox.team.net Sent: August 15, 2000 4:21:44 AM GMT Subject: Wanted!!!!!!! All women going to Topeka!!!!!! Dear ladies!!!!!! I'm working on a special project for Topeka. I will need about 12 women who would like to take part in this. This WILL be your worker assignment for the Solo2 Nationals. Please email me for details. Dean Sapp #138, F/S Mustang Cobra From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 09:16:28 2000 From: Bradley Lamont To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:15:41 -0500 Subject: Re: new classifications At 09:54 AM 8/15/00, Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com said: >Yup, you sure did. The new stock class reorg is targeted for 2001 >implementation. The cars you specifically mentioned are moves that were >proposed by members or the SCAC, recommended by the SCAC, put out for member >comment , then reviewed and accepted by the SEB. Simple class changes, >not part of the reorg. Ok, I'm confused... From the June 4, 2000 FasTrack: >ITEM 5: The SEB also approved separate SCAC recommendations to re-class >the following cars, effective 1/1/2001. If the realignment occurs in >2001, these cars will be placed in their appropriate corresponding classes >per the new structure: > > Nissan Sentra SE-R, from DS to ES > BMW M3 (E30), from AS to GS > Toyota MR2 S/C, from AS to BS > VW Rabbit GTI, from ES to HS > Nissan NX2000, from DS to ES > Ford Mustang SVO, from FS to GS > Chrysler Conquest, from FS to GS > Mitsubishi Starion Turbo, from FS to GS So, if the above changes were recommended to go into effect on 1/1/2001, then why is an E30 M3 listed in GS at the 2000 National Championship? Did the national staff make a mistake, or did a class impacting change get made 3 weeks before nationals? Brad ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Lamont email: lamont@mailhost.org http://www.mailhost.org/~lamont From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 09:23:50 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Mari Clements" , Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:29:42 -0400 Subject: RE: Wanted!!!!!!! All women going to Topeka!!!!!! Actually Mari It is going to be an all woman Bikini Clad Impound Drivers won't fear the protest shed as much if you tell them "Pisst... Hey buddy..." "There is a bikini clad woman in there that wants to pull your head" Jeff Lloyd Top of the Philly BS points after this week!! Woo hoo!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mari Clements Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:03 AM To: HAVOCDEAN@aol.com Cc: autox@autox.team.net Subject: RE: Wanted!!!!!!! All women going to Topeka!!!!!! Omigosh, you *really* are going to have the all-female tech team. mlc ------Original Message------ From: HAVOCDEAN@aol.com To: Autox@autox.team.net Sent: August 15, 2000 4:21:44 AM GMT Subject: Wanted!!!!!!! All women going to Topeka!!!!!! Dear ladies!!!!!! I'm working on a special project for Topeka. I will need about 12 women who would like to take part in this. This WILL be your worker assignment for the Solo2 Nationals. Please email me for details. Dean Sapp #138, F/S Mustang Cobra From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 09:31:15 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Dave Whitworth Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:29:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Fw: More Rookie Nationals Questions Dave Whitworth wrote: > Skate boards (motorized or manual, with or without stand-up > handlebars or seat), roller blades and roller skates (motorized > or manual), are prohibited from use in all areas of the event site. > Intent: Skate boards, in any form, or name, with the basic function/ > form of a skateboard. The Chief Safety Steward will make the > determination of vehicles qualifying under this regulation. This should probably be rewritten to say "wheeled vehicles with tires under 5" diameter are prohibited from use in all areas of the event site, unless otherwise approved by the Chief Safety Steward." That would be a lot simpler... Anyone got Glenn Duensing's e-mail address so that I can suggest this directly to him? Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 09:36:22 2000 From: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com To: Bradley Lamont Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:34:53 -0700 Subject: Re: new classifications Excellent point...Maybe GH can shed some light on this. My impression is that the M3 and maybe a couple others got lumped together in this paragraph but were specifically mentioned elsewhere. Except....I looked through all my back info and minutes and found nothing other than what you have provided. Hmmmmmm. maybe the keg hit MY head! AB Bradley Lamont on 08/15/2000 11:15:41 AM Please respond to Bradley Lamont To: autox@autox.team.net cc: (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) Subject: Re: new classifications At 09:54 AM 8/15/00, Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com said: >Yup, you sure did. The new stock class reorg is targeted for 2001 >implementation. The cars you specifically mentioned are moves that were >proposed by members or the SCAC, recommended by the SCAC, put out for member >comment , then reviewed and accepted by the SEB. Simple class changes, >not part of the reorg. Ok, I'm confused... From the June 4, 2000 FasTrack: >ITEM 5: The SEB also approved separate SCAC recommendations to re-class >the following cars, effective 1/1/2001. If the realignment occurs in >2001, these cars will be placed in their appropriate corresponding classes >per the new structure: > > Nissan Sentra SE-R, from DS to ES > BMW M3 (E30), from AS to GS > Toyota MR2 S/C, from AS to BS > VW Rabbit GTI, from ES to HS > Nissan NX2000, from DS to ES > Ford Mustang SVO, from FS to GS > Chrysler Conquest, from FS to GS > Mitsubishi Starion Turbo, from FS to GS So, if the above changes were recommended to go into effect on 1/1/2001, then why is an E30 M3 listed in GS at the 2000 National Championship? Did the national staff make a mistake, or did a class impacting change get made 3 weeks before nationals? Brad ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Lamont email: lamont@mailhost.org http://www.mailhost.org/~lamont From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 09:38:23 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:40:12 -0500 Subject: Fw: More Rookie Nationals Questions It could be a stereotype, but once you see the site, you'll understand. The concrete is disintegrating badly, and there are lots of large drains, etc just wanting to eat something with small wheels! It would like trying to rollerblade on a gravel lot (or the Katy Trail!) If you need me to bring your bike, just let me know. Dave This message also posted on www.christoc.com Racing Forums. Get a message board for you region, FREE. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 9:11 AM Subject: Re: More Rookie Nationals Questions > Ok, I remember reading that in the regs now, it was a month or so ago..... I do remember thinking that's screwed up, bikes are ok, but no skates? That's too stereo typical. > > as posted on > http://www.christoc.com/cgi-bin/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000002.html > "Well.... I guess it will be a bike then! I just started riding a bike again two nights ago, and boy does my a** hurt!! But it is good exercise, I can get to the Family Arena in like 3 miles on the trail, as upposed to probably 7-10 by road! > " > > Chris > www.christoc.com/forums > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 09:49:01 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: "Team.Net" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:49:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Therotical tire purchase > OK it's my birthday and I received as a gift from a friend that works in the > tire business a gift certificate for any four tires I want... Mine was yesterday! > I originally wanted to purchase the Kumho 712 due to kumho's good reputation > in solo2 and good stories I've heard.... > Now I called Tire Rack and I was told the Kumho leaves a good bit to be > desired over the Bridgestone Pole Position S-02 > Since my goal is to get the ultimate WET grip (I also want to use these as > backup rain tires for solo2) and my dread > After having my first serious hydroplaning experience a week ago. Now I > called discount tire direct to see if they had another suggestion > And they told me "NITTO 450 extreme" Probably because we don't sell it. Eliminates the competition. In my comparison shopping they always seem to start with recommending the cheapest, not the best. Just a different mentality. We tend to qualify the customer and listen to what they're asking for. > it seemed the tire rack sales person > was much more "with it" but is he just trying to make money > off me??? If you concern with wet performance is not hydroplaning, the Kumho is fine choice (not necessarily the best, but it is good). If your concern is wet grip, the Bridgestone is the better tire. Looking at it from an all-around performance standpoint, the Bridgestone is a better tire. This is a bit of an apples vs. oranges comparison. Depending on the size the Kumho's cost about 1/2 of what the Bridgestones do. And sense Jeff is probably expecting it, here's my weekly Jeff Lloyd/Z3 slam (I normally wait til Fridays when I wear nomex undies...) Unlike buying a car to race in B-Stock, sometimes you get what you pay for :-) And Jeff, I'm not anti-BMW. I miss my 2002tii and am probably going to buy an M-Coupe. With a Miata and a New Beetle in the garage, I'm due for something a little less "cute". The M Coupe seems to be the perfect choice in that regard! Of course, some people think bull dogs are cute... ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 10:10:38 2000 From: jon e prevo To: Jeff@cyberconceptz.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:05:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Therotical tire purchase On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:05:56 -0400 "Jeff Lloyd" writes: > Kumho 712 > Bridgestone PP S-02 > Nitto 450 I haven't had enough experience with the 712 to give you an impression, but several of my customers are extremely happy with the wet performance of the 711... DO NOT buy the Nitto. Every Nitto tire I have dismounted was cracking around the center of the sidewall. I initially thought this was due to underinflation but after 20 or so with the exact same cracks I decided this can't be a coincidence. That said, let me add a couple of flies to your ointment. 1) Bridgestone, while admittedly a seperate and clearly superior product, nevertheless is produced by the most illegitimately managed tire company in the world. Is that the kind of business you wish to support? 2) The Sumitomo HTRZ-Dunlop SP 8000...same tire, parent company and private label, excellent performance wet or dry. The Toyo T1-S...also an excellent wet tire, the favorite of our local Miata club. MHO Enjoy your new tires, and happy birthday! Peace Jon FP 73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 10:19:25 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: HAVOCDEAN@aol.com, Autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:18:05 EDT Subject: Re: Wanted!!!!!!! All women going to Topeka!!!!!! Deano writes: << I'm working on a special project for Topeka. I will need about 12 women who would like to take part in this. This WILL be your worker assignment for the Solo2 Nationals. >> Boy, does THIS sound shady!!! Is Baby Dolls involved? CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 10:28:52 2000 From: "Michael Bullis" To: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:31:33 -0700 Subject: RE: More Rookie Nationals Questions <> oh GREAT - some idiot HAD to have these really cool looking, high-tech, FAST roller blade wheels installed on the front of a wheelchair.... i say start a pool on how many times I hit the ground. at $5 a pop, somebody will be rich after Friday. mike rookie on blades/ground From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 10:43:12 2000 From: Paul Cezanne To: "Jeff Lloyd" , "Team.Net" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:42:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Therotical tire purchase >Since my goal is to get the ultimate WET grip (I also want to use these as >backup rain tires for solo2) I have Kumho 712's on my Legacy GT and I am very, very pleased with their wet performance, particularly hydroplaning resistance. I took mine out during a torrential rainstorm, you know the kind, wipers and high still don't cut it, and found that althought the steering was getting light around 75mph, I was passing cars like there was no tomorrow. I did a panic stop on a straight exit ramp and had no problems, and did a quick entrance ramp, again with no problems. To top it off, on the way back to my house I found an approximately 3-5" deep puddle on a curve and ran through that at about 25mph and it did not understeer. Overall I am impressed with the tire. -- pZ -- Paul Cezanne (formerly Czarnecki) Please consider buying my wife's new book, The Illusionist, (http://www.JeannetteAngell.com) and then help the UN feed the world for free @ http://www.TheHungerSite.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 11:16:47 2000 From: NikkaUSA@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:15:34 EDT Subject: F-500 (FM) For Sale F-500 For Sale: KBS Mark VII with extensive updates (too many to list), newly rebuilt AMW motor, 2 sets of wheels, ground up frame rebuild and new paint at beginning of the season, extra body parts, extra AMW motor parts (new), extra clutch parts (weights and helix), new style shocks. Completely setup and race ready to run either Autocrossing or Road Race events. Great car for Nationals! Asking Price: $8,500.00 Contact Carl Meier, Dallas/Ft. Worth area work: 817 640-9923 home: 972 660-2273 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 12:09:39 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:08:15 GMT Subject: Graphics/lettering Sources I'd like to get some lettering made up for Nationals. Does anyone have a good source for 4"+ lettering? Local sign shop, Solotime, etc. Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 12:15:47 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: "Godula, Gary (G.M.)" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:07:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Who Will Win??? I think you may be leaving a real contender(Possibly the favorite) out of the equation. I seem to remember some "Gal" from Texas named Jane??? Seems to me she was a pretty tough cookie behind the wheel a few years back. As far as CM goes I think it anyones guess who will win. I'm sure there are at least 7 or 8 guys with a legitimate chance of winning. Mike(Probably destined for mid-pack once again)B. 99cm "Godula, Gary (G.M.)" wrote: > OK, I will start with my single-class prediction.... > > I feel that SportsCar is wrong in CMod and that Tommy Saunders is the > favorite. > > In CMod Ladies, no one can really predict between Tam and Linda. While Tam > has been very fast this year, Linda is getting more comfortable in the Van > Diemen and the car is getting faster. The real flyer is Donna, who, should > she get more seat time in the S2000, will easily run with Tam and Linda. > This class is going to be real interesting and all of them deserve to win. > I can't wait to watch this one......gmg > > Gary Godula / Tamara McDaniel > SCCA Solo II / Pro Solo > C Modified / Ladies #57/157 > '88 Reynard FF88 White/Blue > ggodula@ford.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hottvr@aol.com [mailto:Hottvr@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 9:07 PM > To: autox@autox.team.net; autox-cm@autox.team.net > Subject: Who Will Win??? > > I got my copy of SportCar today. Well SportsCar had better start printing > those "SportsCar was wrong" tee shirts real fast!! You guys need to make > lots > of them. > > When will the vote start on Team.Net for the real winners???? > > Mike( This looks like a high school popularity contest)B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 12:23:10 2000 From: "John Gross" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:21:53 GMT Subject: Re: Who Will Win??? The one thing I noticed was the omission of Chris Ramey from the FS predictions. For those who weren't aware, he recently got into another LS1 F-body, though I don't know if he's going to Nats this year. At the SWDivs a few weeks ago, Chris put the hurt on a strong FS field. See the results at http://www.ccsi.com/~vitek/spokes/div3_fin.htm John >From: Mike Bultemeier >Reply-To: Mike Bultemeier >To: "Godula, Gary (G.M.)" >CC: "'Hottvr@aol.com'" , "'autox-cm@autox.team.net'" >, "'autox@autox.team.net'" > >Subject: Re: Who Will Win??? >Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:07:10 -0500 > >I think you may be leaving a real contender(Possibly the favorite) out of >the >equation. >I seem to remember some "Gal" from Texas named Jane??? Seems to me she was >a >pretty tough cookie behind the wheel a few years back. > >As far as CM goes I think it anyones guess who will win. I'm sure there are >at >least >7 or 8 guys with a legitimate chance of winning. > >Mike(Probably destined for mid-pack once again)B. 99cm > >"Godula, Gary (G.M.)" wrote: > > > OK, I will start with my single-class prediction.... > > > > I feel that SportsCar is wrong in CMod and that Tommy Saunders is the > > favorite. > > > > In CMod Ladies, no one can really predict between Tam and Linda. While >Tam > > has been very fast this year, Linda is getting more comfortable in the >Van > > Diemen and the car is getting faster. The real flyer is Donna, who, >should > > she get more seat time in the S2000, will easily run with Tam and Linda. > > This class is going to be real interesting and all of them deserve to >win. > > I can't wait to watch this one......gmg > > > > Gary Godula / Tamara McDaniel > > SCCA Solo II / Pro Solo > > C Modified / Ladies #57/157 > > '88 Reynard FF88 White/Blue > > ggodula@ford.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hottvr@aol.com [mailto:Hottvr@aol.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 9:07 PM > > To: autox@autox.team.net; autox-cm@autox.team.net > > Subject: Who Will Win??? > > > > I got my copy of SportCar today. Well SportsCar had better start >printing > > those "SportsCar was wrong" tee shirts real fast!! You guys need to make > > lots > > of them. > > > > When will the vote start on Team.Net for the real winners???? > > > > Mike( This looks like a high school popularity contest)B. 99cm > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 12:27:04 2000 From: Snapspinnr@aol.com To: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:23:33 EDT Subject: Re: Graphics/lettering Sources Try Heyward Wagner at Impact Graphics. He is a great guy and a great autocrosser as well. If you have ever seen the Team Underdog cars they are his handy work. IMPACT GRAPHICS Custom Automotive Graphics - Numbers - Magnetics - Static Cling 1-877-945-7446 h_kenyon@email.msn.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 13:17:58 2000 From: Ghsharp@aol.com To: lamont@mailhost.org, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:15:06 EDT Subject: Re: new classifications In a message dated 8/15/00 11:19:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lamont@mailhost.org writes: > So, if the above changes were recommended to go into effect on 1/1/2001, > then why is an E30 M3 listed in GS at the 2000 National Championship? > > Did the national staff make a mistake, or did a class impacting change get > made 3 weeks before nationals? It's the_entrant's_responsibility to properly classify his car, not the National office (or Tech either, for that matter). The E30 M3 is_not_in GS this year. Someone will have to ask TC about his entry, I guess.... GH From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 13:22:46 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Ghsharp@aol.com'" , lamont@mailhost.org, Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:19:03 -0700 Subject: RE: new classifications You know TC is kind of a shady guy, he probably just figured no one would notice him until he got his jacket. :) Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com -----Original Message----- From: Ghsharp@aol.com [mailto:Ghsharp@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 12:15 PM To: lamont@mailhost.org; autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: new classifications In a message dated 8/15/00 11:19:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lamont@mailhost.org writes: > So, if the above changes were recommended to go into effect on 1/1/2001, > then why is an E30 M3 listed in GS at the 2000 National Championship? > > Did the national staff make a mistake, or did a class impacting change get > made 3 weeks before nationals? It's the_entrant's_responsibility to properly classify his car, not the National office (or Tech either, for that matter). The E30 M3 is_not_in GS this year. Someone will have to ask TC about his entry, I guess.... GH From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 13:32:59 2000 From: jac73@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:29:16 -0400 Subject: Re: C5 computer location Rick Brown Asked: >Buddy of mine is trying to locate the computer in his C5 Corvette to install >a B&M shift chip. >Anybody know the location of the relevant box and how to get at it? Thanks. No problem. Thanks to an "event" at Grattan Raceway during the Michigan National that involved a T1 C5 hardtop getting inverted (it had help from a steep embankment, an Armco barrier, and a driver that just couldn't bring himself to lift -- I was the first responder F&C worker), I can tell you that a C5 computer is located in the rear of the engine compartment, down low, near what used to be called the firewall. It may be between the inner and outer fenders (there were bodywork bits that had gone walkabout in the general vicinity) on what I recall to be the passenger side. I had a lot of other things on my mind at the time so the computer location wasn't of particular priority, but I do remember seeing it. Jim Crider jac73@dcx.com PS: Driver was okay but his bank account no doubt took a major hit. Car is likely rebuildable. DCX has no opinion on Corvette computers or Corvette inverted motoring. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 13:53:05 2000 From: "JCGZ3" To: , Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:46:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? >...The purpose of the rule in question is to prevent someone > running a new-model-year car that becomes available just prior to Nationals > but which may have an unknown performance potential for Solo II. This sounds like what did happen in 98 with the Type-R ;-). While the Type-R was not new, it was new to stock and not explored, thus the same exact scenario ;-). ---JCG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 14:31:14 2000 From: Scott Knight To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:28:20 -0400 Subject: Re: C5 computer location > No problem. Thanks to an "event" at Grattan Raceway during the Michigan > National that involved a T1 C5 hardtop getting inverted Heh, this reminds me of a Corvette time trials event at Grattan back in about 1990 or 1991 where this guy backed a brand spanking new Vette off between turns 4 and 5. Actually pushed the fuel tank right into the driver's compartment when he hit the trees. =8^0 So we are standing around while they get the carnage out of the woods and onto a flatbed, and the guy mentions that not only is the car brand new, but it is his wife's and she had only let him bring it under the condition that he promise to not run it on the track. DOH! Needless to say, he was not looking forward to showing up at home with that car... Later dates. -- Scott Knight mailto:scott@scottknight.com http://www.scottknight.com/ IRC:SS396man '00 White Grand Prix GTP '95 Black Impala SS '94 Ducati 900SS CR From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 15:00:46 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: tblewis@lewisweb.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:28:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Perry, GA Hi guys, Plan on Friday registration and tech 6-8 PM at the site Saturday registration and tech 8-9 AM Sunday registration and tech 8-9 AM Stay tuned to our website for updates. Also, please pre-register on-line at our website: Thanks, Ben Thatcher On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:26:40 -0400 "Tracy Lewis" writes: > Hi Ben- > Robert and I are interested in coming to the event in Perry. I > checked the web site, but did not see times- can you tell me when it > will start both days? And of course any other info you may have on > it. > > Thanks! > > Tracy Lewis > Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 15:32:04 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Team.net'" , "'Tom Kotzian'" , Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:27:04 -0700 Subject: RX7 parts Anyone have the number handy for Pettite racing? I need some silicon hoses for the new RX7. is there a better source for those parts? Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 16:04:19 2000 From: "Greg Smith" To: "Isley, Jason C." , "'Team.net'" , Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:00:03 -0400 Subject: RE: RX7 parts > Anyone have the number handy for Pettite racing? Jason, their phone # is (954) 735-0100 and their web site is http://www.pettitracing.com. (Just happened to have my October issue of GRM handy.) > I need some silicon > hoses for the new RX7. is there a better source for those parts? Can't help you there. I'm a Corvette guy. Greg Smith '89 Corvette BSP From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 16:15:18 2000 From: Dick Rasmussen To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:16:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Therotical tire purchase At 11:05 AM 8/15/00 -0400, Jeff Lloyd wrote: >Since my goal is to get the ultimate WET grip (I also want to use these as >backup rain tires for solo2) and my dread >After having my first serious hydroplaning experience a week ago. If hydroplaning "resistance" AND "cost effectiveness" are both important, also consider treadwear! Many of the high performance tires that are good in the wet NEW wear out relatively fast. They tend to start hydroplaning while you can still remember how much you paid. For street driving (mostly) and no real competition plans (most R tires are better in wet autocrosses while slick than most street tires are with tread I suspect unless the puddles are REAL deep. . . ), you might want to pick a high performance All Season Tire with a really good treadwear rating (see TireRack's web site for examples). One new one that comes to mind is the new BFG. I forget the exact model but it is something like G -Force KDW and has a treadwear rating of around 400 and is relatively inexpensive. Dick Rasmussen CM 85 85 Van Diemen RF-85 Formula Ford From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 16:39:39 2000 From: Bob Monday To: John Lieberman , Autox Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? My boys usually end up picking up trash, cones, etc. at the end of the day, timing/scoring (carefully monitored, or assisting the announcer), older kids can work the gate getting waivers signed off and handing out armbands, working concessions (where applicable), working registration, etc. In short, lots of things that don't involve inexperienced kids making potentially life-altering decisions in front of a speeding car! I've caught myself on more than one occasion starting to move toward a downed cone, only to remember that other vehicles on course might "down" me... and I'm old enough to vote... for Nixon! Bob Monday Boys-R-Us Racing --- John Lieberman wrote: > GOOD question, Mark! And one that I've been asked several times over > the past couple of years. > > This is an issue that we're trying to address from the Solo Safety > Committee's standpoint. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 16:43:59 2000 From: colan arnold To: Ghsharp@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:34:41 -0500 Subject: Re: new classifications Another thing that I think is important to remember is the process for classing cars. Mid year class changes don't just happen on a whim. Please see 3.2 on page 54 of the 2000 Solo rule book. Any class change, except for the first year after a car is initially classified requires Board of Director approval. The basic car classification process works as follows: Members and the Stock Committee propose changes. The SEB reviews and publishes for comment the proposed changes. Depending upon the comments, this publish and review process will take from one to N times. Only after passing the SEB publish and review process does a classification change (other than the initial year) get sent to the BOD for approval. If the proposal passes the BOD, typical implementation is on the following January 1. Ghsharp@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/15/00 11:19:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > lamont@mailhost.org writes: > > > So, if the above changes were recommended to go into effect on 1/1/2001, > > then why is an E30 M3 listed in GS at the 2000 National Championship? > > > > Did the national staff make a mistake, or did a class impacting change get > > made 3 weeks before nationals? > > It's the_entrant's_responsibility to properly classify his car, not the > National > office (or Tech either, for that matter). The E30 M3 is_not_in GS this year. > Someone will have to ask TC about his entry, I guess.... > > GH From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 16:58:13 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: boysrus_racing@yahoo.com, johnlee@softdisk.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:55:12 EDT Subject: Re: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? Bob Monday writes: << and I'm old enough to vote... for Nixon! >> The first time? (I don't remember this, but have heard about it...) Sorry, couldn't resist... CHuck From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 17:45:03 2000 From: Dick Rasmussen To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:45:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Therotical tire purchase At 06:16 PM 8/15/00 -0400, Dick Rasmussen wrote: The stuff at the bottom:-) The actual tire I was suggesting as an example of a long wearing high performance All Season tire is the BFG G-Force KDWS, not the KDW. >At 11:05 AM 8/15/00 -0400, Jeff Lloyd wrote: >>Since my goal is to get the ultimate WET grip (I also want to use these as >>backup rain tires for solo2) and my dread >>After having my first serious hydroplaning experience a week ago. > >If hydroplaning "resistance" AND "cost effectiveness" are both important, >also consider treadwear! > >Many of the high performance tires that are good in the wet NEW wear out >relatively fast. They tend to start hydroplaning while you can still >remember how much you paid. > >For street driving (mostly) and no real competition plans (most R tires are >better in wet autocrosses while slick than most street tires are with tread >I suspect unless the puddles are REAL deep. . . ), you might want to pick a >high performance All Season Tire with a really good treadwear rating (see >TireRack's web site for examples). One new one that comes to mind is the >new BFG. I forget the exact model but it is something like G -Force KDW and >has a treadwear rating of around 400 and is relatively inexpensive. >Dick Rasmussen >CM 85 >85 Van Diemen RF-85 Formula Ford > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 17:56:30 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: jcgz3@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:54:48 EDT Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? jcgz3@hotmail.com writes: << This sounds like what did happen in 98 with the Type-R ;-). While the Type-R was not new, it was new to stock and not explored, thus the same exact scenario ;-). >> It's not the same exact scenario. It was a 98 model in the 98 Nat's and the SEB classified it after receiving a recommendation from the SCAC. Further, if the 99 model was available and essentially unchanged from 98 the SEB is allowed to approve them as well. Besides, I recall a Talon taking home the brass in 98. It has nothing to do with Z06 situation, twisting of words/intent excepted. Sipe From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 17:58:14 2000 From: Dick Rasmussen To: "Godula, Gary (G.M.)" , Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:58:19 -0400 Subject: RE: Who Will Win??? At 11:16 AM 8/15/00 -0400, Godula, Gary (G.M.) wrote: > >My guess at the CMod finishing order: Saunders, Lumpkin, Calhoun, Dickey, >Godula.... I haven't seen SportsCar yet, but I certainly like the idea of a "Hoosier Car" (at least last I heard), as your pick for the top two spots. Maybe "my driver" has a chance to still make the trophies :-) Dick Rasmussen CM 85 85 Van Diemen RF-85 Formula Ford From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 18:45:46 2000 From: "Daniel Bettis" <140mhz24@isoc.net> To: "Bob Monday" , "Autox" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:53:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? Nixon I have heard of him. Dan Bettis 140MHZ24@isoc.net Predator Motorsport http://www.predatormotorsport.com 96 Miata R 4 CSP 92 Z24 24 SM best et 15.27@86.8mph 6.85 0-60 84 Z28 24 CP best et 13.74@99.45mph, for sale? http://fpw.isoc.net/140mhz24/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Monday" To: "John Lieberman" ; "Autox" Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 18:37 Subject: Re: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? > My boys usually end up picking up trash, cones, etc. at the end of the > day, timing/scoring (carefully monitored, or assisting the announcer), > older kids can work the gate getting waivers signed off and handing out > armbands, working concessions (where applicable), working registration, > etc. > > In short, lots of things that don't involve inexperienced kids making > potentially life-altering decisions in front of a speeding car! I've > caught myself on more than one occasion starting to move toward a > downed cone, only to remember that other vehicles on course might > "down" me... and I'm old enough to vote... for Nixon! > > Bob Monday > Boys-R-Us Racing > > --- John Lieberman wrote: > > GOOD question, Mark! And one that I've been asked several times over > > the past couple of years. > > > > This is an issue that we're trying to address from the Solo Safety > > Committee's standpoint. > > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 19:28:56 2000 From: "Charles R. Schultz" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:26:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? So, how about in Appendix A, where it says, "All unclassified cars will compete in Super Stock . . .until. . . unless. . ." ----------------------- TeamZ3@aol.com wrote: > > jcgz3@hotmail.com writes: > > << This sounds like what did happen in 98 with the Type-R ;-). While the > Type-R was not new, it was new to stock and not explored, thus the same > exact scenario ;-). >> > > It's not the same exact scenario. It was a 98 model in the 98 Nat's and the > SEB classified it after receiving a recommendation from the SCAC. Further, > if the 99 model was available and essentially unchanged from 98 the SEB is > allowed to approve them as well. Besides, I recall a Talon taking home the > brass in 98. > > It has nothing to do with Z06 situation, twisting of words/intent excepted. > > Sipe -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Schultz/ Mailto:n2pua4@peoplepc.com / New Home page: http://www.n2pua4.webprovider.com/ Eastaboga / (Under construction forever!) Alabama / AIM Screen Name: n2pua ICQ ID Number: 11654121 36260 / It's not the thing you fling, but the fling, itself! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 19:49:23 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: "Charles R. Schultz" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:33:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? That's the one that got the Modena into SS at the Bremerton Tour. --Pat Kelly "Charles R. Schultz" wrote: > > So, how about in Appendix A, where it says, "All unclassified cars will > compete in Super Stock . . .until. . . unless. . ." > > ----------------------- > > TeamZ3@aol.com wrote: > > > > jcgz3@hotmail.com writes: > > > > << This sounds like what did happen in 98 with the Type-R ;-). While the > > Type-R was not new, it was new to stock and not explored, thus the same > > exact scenario ;-). >> > > > > It's not the same exact scenario. It was a 98 model in the 98 Nat's and the > > SEB classified it after receiving a recommendation from the SCAC. Further, > > if the 99 model was available and essentially unchanged from 98 the SEB is > > allowed to approve them as well. Besides, I recall a Talon taking home the > > brass in 98. > > > > It has nothing to do with Z06 situation, twisting of words/intent excepted. > > > > Sipe > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Chuck Schultz/ Mailto:n2pua4@peoplepc.com > / New Home page: http://www.n2pua4.webprovider.com/ > Eastaboga / (Under construction forever!) > Alabama / AIM Screen Name: n2pua ICQ ID Number: 11654121 > 36260 / It's not the thing you fling, but the fling, itself! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 19:51:37 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: rocky@tri.net, cp@twingles.com, Wichita-scca@autox.team.net, Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:49:04 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championships Alert In a message dated 8/15/00 6:33:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rocky@tri.net writes: << Currently, entries for the event are running nearly double the usual amount at this time of the year, and forecasting indicates that the event could run close to 1400 entries if left unchecked. With quality of presentation concerns, and a need to assure that all entrants get the proper number of runs per day, the SCCA National Office made the decision today to cap the number at 1200, the current logistical maximum. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Is this for real???? A cap on the Nationals???????? Sounds like some really slick marketing to me???? Mike B.99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 21:21:37 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "team.net" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:58:23 -0400 Subject: Leon Mandel's Autoweek Editorial about the SCCA The SCCA has come a long way since it's inception. I don't know how many of you subscribe to Autoweek (should be nearly 100% :)), but there was a great editorial by Leon Mandel in the 8/7 issue. He got his hands on the original "articles of confederation" for the SCCA from one of his friends who "also date from the Paleozoic". The dues were $3 and under Article IV it talks about Dismissal from the club: "Any member may be immediately dismissed from membership... by a unanimous vote of the Officers for any of the following reasons: 1) Disposing of a sports car to a non-member without first advertising the car for sale in a Club publication or notifying the officers at least 10 days prior to the disposal of said car. 2) Breaking up a sports car or permitting the breaking up of a sports car without the approval of the Officers. 3) Having the knowledge of the breaking up or possible (sic) breaking up of a sports car or failing to notify an Officer within a reasonable period of time. 4) Acquiring a sports car, or being instrumental in the acquisition of a sports car by another person with the knowledge that another member had been the first to state his intention to acquire said car had had not been allowed 30 days after so stating his intention in which to acquire said car. 5) Being obviosuly at fault in an accident which resulted in damage to one or more members sports cars. 6) Voluntarily disposing of one's last remaing sports car." My favorite of course is good old #5. It makes the PCA 13/13 rule seem tame by comparison. But you have to rush out and buy your own copy if you want to read the entire thing. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 21:21:40 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "team.net" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:58:23 -0400 Subject: Leon Mandel's Autoweek Editorial about the SCCA The SCCA has come a long way since it's inception. I don't know how many of you subscribe to Autoweek (should be nearly 100% :)), but there was a great editorial by Leon Mandel in the 8/7 issue. He got his hands on the original "articles of confederation" for the SCCA from one of his friends who "also date from the Paleozoic". The dues were $3 and under Article IV it talks about Dismissal from the club: "Any member may be immediately dismissed from membership... by a unanimous vote of the Officers for any of the following reasons: 1) Disposing of a sports car to a non-member without first advertising the car for sale in a Club publication or notifying the officers at least 10 days prior to the disposal of said car. 2) Breaking up a sports car or permitting the breaking up of a sports car without the approval of the Officers. 3) Having the knowledge of the breaking up or possible (sic) breaking up of a sports car or failing to notify an Officer within a reasonable period of time. 4) Acquiring a sports car, or being instrumental in the acquisition of a sports car by another person with the knowledge that another member had been the first to state his intention to acquire said car had had not been allowed 30 days after so stating his intention in which to acquire said car. 5) Being obviosuly at fault in an accident which resulted in damage to one or more members sports cars. 6) Voluntarily disposing of one's last remaing sports car." My favorite of course is good old #5. It makes the PCA 13/13 rule seem tame by comparison. But you have to rush out and buy your own copy if you want to read the entire thing. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 21:22:15 2000 From: Barry Ott To: "team.net" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:01:15 -0600 Subject: Help please, Salt Lake City I've found an MR2 in Holladay City that I'm interested in buying, now I'm looking for a company that could do an inspection for me, any suggestions on who to use? Maybe as an alternative, someone could take a quick test drive for me. Nothing technical, just check for obvious things, kick the tires, drive it around the block and make sure nothing falls off or makes big clunks. Any help would be greatly appreciated. In returned, I'd be glad to by dinner if you are coming to the National tour in Colorado Springs or going to nationals. Please reply privately. Thanks! Barry Ott BS 93 Black '95 Miata R Denver From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 15 21:43:48 2000 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ".CP List" , Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:58:44 -0500 Subject: Re: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championships Alert Whoops. Just remembered some lists, like Team.Net, filter out messages with attachments. The attachment was just a dupe of the plain text message below, but on letterhead. --Rocky -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Entriken To: . Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:28 PM Subject: Fw: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championships Alert >WOW! 1000 in 2000 seems to be happening! This just came over my e-mail >addressed to various press people. > >Haven't entered yet? Don't delay! > >--Rocky Entriken > >-----Original Message----- >From: Werace4u@aol.com >To: >Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 5:51 PM >Subject: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championships Alert > > >The press release in this email is also available in the attached >Word97-Word2000 document. There is no additional information in the >attachment, but some of the information is formatted for easier reading. >You >do not need to download the attachment. > >If you would prefer to receive press releases and notes from us in text form >only, please send your request to: werace4u@aol.com. > >---------- > >For immediate release 15 August 2000 > >SCCA National Office Announces First Time Ever Entry Cap for the Tire Rack >SCCA National Solo Championships > >DENVER, CO: For the first time in SCCA history; the annual September running >of The Tire Rack SCCA National Solo Championships in Topeka, Kansas will cap >total entries at 1200 participants. Explosive growth within the sport of >Solo competition in the last 12 months have resulted in record entries to >the >Topeka event -- already the largest event of its kind in the world by a >substantial margin -- increasing its size by nearly one-third for the 2000 >running. > >For the last several seasons, the Tire Rack SCCA National Solo Championships >have hovered at the 900 - 940 entry level. A goal of "1000 in 2000," set by >Howard Duncan, SCCA Project Manager late last year seemed easily attainable, >but the overwhelming growth in the sport far exceeded this now seemingly >conservative goal. Duncan said "We are truly thrilled the adjustments we >made to the National Solo program for 2000 have been so well accepted by the >enthusiast community, and the Tire Rack's marketing assistance has clearly >had an increased exposure role for us as well." > >Currently, entries for the event are running nearly double the usual amount >at this time of the year, and forecasting indicates that the event could run >close to 1400 entries if left unchecked. With quality of presentation >concerns, and a need to assure that all entrants get the proper number of >runs per day, the SCCA National Office made the decision today to cap the >number at 1200, the current logistical maximum. > >Dennis Dean, Vice President of the SCCA Rally, Solo and Club Racing >departments sees the opportunity for the Tire Rack SCCA National Solo >Championships to expand the format of the event in 2001 to accommodate a >significantly larger crowd. "We are in the best situation possible right >now, with the overall accessibility and interest in the sport at an all time >high. We are also mindful of the importance of presenting a quality event, >and feel that it is best at this juncture to cap our entries, and give those >in attendance the best show possible." > >"There are still spaces available," reminded Tasha Goodale, the SCCA's >Rally/Solo Department Manager; "but we can see those remaining slots filling >fast." Faxed entries are always accepted, and sending completed entry forms >to the Club office by the end of business on Friday, 18 August will avoid >the >$50.00 late fee that goes into effect on Monday, 21 August. The Rally/Solo >department fax number is 303.694.3654. > >For more information regarding the SCCA's National Solo Program, the Topeka >based "Tire Rack SCCA National Solo Championships" or the Tire Rack, visit >the following websites: > www.scca.org > www.tirerack.com >or contact the SCCA National Office at RallySolo@compuserve.com or by >calling >303.779.6622 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 00:38:06 2000 From: GSMnow@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:36:24 EDT Subject: "Who Will Win" MX-6 Classing While looking through the who will win picks, I noticed something odd. Did Danny Shields buy a pre 93 MX-6? or did SportsCar mess up? They Pick Danny and Sharron to repeat HStock wins if they bring the MX-6. As I read my rule book, the MX-6 moved to EStock along without our 95 Celica ST's Gary M. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 06:50:35 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: , , Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:54:02 -0500 Subject: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota emergency numbers requested. It's final. I'm definitely going to San Antonio on Saturday August 19 to pick up the 1962 TR4. I hope to see many of you at the autocross in Waco on Sunday August 20. The Wichita Kansas (Monday) and Des Moines Iowa (Tuesday) evening get-together spots will be announced shortly. The locals are discussing locations now. Meanwhile, if any folks along the route would like to give me their phone numbers and locations in case I have some problems (A 38-year-old TR4? What could go wrong?) along the way. I have just renewed my VTR membership, but have not had enough time to get their emergency list. I have signed up to be ON the emergency list when I get back home. Anyway, it goes without saying that I will not give out your phone numbers or addresses to anyone else. I will be unavailable in the Internet after Friday evening. I will be carrying cell phone 651-398-6616. It may not always receive, depending on location, buy my voice-mail is supposed to work regardless. Thanks to all the folks who have helped so far. My twelve years in these mailing lists has been very enjoyable due to all the great people I have met online. I'm looking forward to meeting many of you personally. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban, 1962 TR4 soon! LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ "If I can do it, it's not art" - Red Green From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 08:15:56 2000 From: "Ron Bauer" To: , , Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:14:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? Mark, there was a '97 model of the Type R, and for all intents and purposes, it was classed just prior to the '98 Nationals. While I'm no longer bothered by it (obvioulsy my Team Butt Heat co-member still holds a grudge.....) it is something that should be avoided. So, Joe's comment is accurate that cars shouldn't be classed right before Nationals, regardless of whether they are brand new or not. Ron -----Original Message----- From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: jcgz3@hotmail.com ; autox@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? > jcgz3@hotmail.com writes: > ><< This sounds like what did happen in 98 with the Type-R ;-). While the > Type-R was not new, it was new to stock and not explored, thus the same > exact scenario ;-). >> > > >It's not the same exact scenario. It was a 98 model in the 98 Nat's and the >SEB classified it after receiving a recommendation from the SCAC. Further, >if the 99 model was available and essentially unchanged from 98 the SEB is >allowed to approve them as well. Besides, I recall a Talon taking home the >brass in 98. > >It has nothing to do with Z06 situation, twisting of words/intent excepted. > >Sipe > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 08:20:04 2000 From: "Birchard, Thomas (T.E.)" To: "'Autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:18:25 -0400 Subject: Co-Driver Wanted for BS (or BSL) at Nationals My co-driver has bailed on me for nationals and so I'm trying to find someone who would like to take his spot. (The car is also available for BSL, if any women are interested!) Car: 1999 Miata Sport Package - Blue Racing Beat Adjustable Tubular Front Sway Bar Koni Single Adjustable Dampers, valved by Predator Motorsports (Kumar Viswalingam) Custom cat-back exhaust system with Supertrapp muffler 205/50-15 Hoosiers for the Dry 205/50-15 Kumhos (full tread depth) for the Wet if necessary Results: BFG CenDiv #1 @ Grissom 2nd http://www.spec-rx7.org/~cashmo/cendiv/2000/result1.prn Nat'l Tour @ Grissom 4th http://www.scca.org/amateur/nat_tour/2000/peru/results.html The car is probably faster than the driver because I've been focusing on shifter kart racing rather than autocrossing this season. I'm planning to arrive on Wednesday, but if someone was seriously interested in running the car in the ProSolo Finale or the warm-up, I could be persuaded. Not only is the car available, but I also have a room reserved at the Motel 6 in Topeka. Contact me directly if you're interested and we can discuss the terms of an agreement. --Tom Birchard tbirchar@ford.com p.s.- I'm headed to Monterey, CA for the Historic races tonight, but I'll periodically be checking my e-mail. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 08:49:38 2000 From: "Tracy, Michael, KC1SX" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:43:56 -0400 Subject: Wheels needed for Saturn Does anybody know of an aftermarket source for 15x6 inch alloy wheels with a 4-100 bolt pattern? What are most Saturn autox'ers running? From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 09:00:35 2000 From: "Kent Rafferty" To: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:25:35 -0400 Subject: Re: "Who Will Win" MX-6 Classing I believe Gary is right and "Sportscar" may be mistaken. The link http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/classes/ shows the four-cylinder MX6 in ES not HS. Kent Rafferty > While looking through the who will win picks, I noticed something odd. Did > Danny Shields buy a pre 93 MX-6? or did SportsCar mess up? They Pick Danny > and Sharron to repeat HStock wins if they bring the MX-6. As I read my rule book, the MX-6 moved to EStock along without our 95 Celica ST's > > Gary M. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 09:04:38 2000 From: jac73@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:01:03 -0400 Subject: FS: 1999 Mustang Cobra Posting for a off-list friend: 1999 Mustang Cobra #3179 of just over 4000, black/charcoal. Has rear spoiler. Has had "The Fix" to make the correct amount of power. Adult owned, house purchase and impending kidlet arrival force sale. 10K miles. Complete records available. Has been autocrossed in Detroit area events (no track events). Also available: extra set 17x8 '99 Cobra stock rims with 255/40-17 Kuhmo V700s with approximately 5 asphalt events on them and lots of life left. 6-year ESP warranty transferable to new owner, alarm system, car cover. Asking $27,500 for the whole kit and caboodle. Contact the seller, Patrick Wosek, directly at pww2@dcx.com or 810-731-7697 (home, please call before 9pm Eastern) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 09:05:47 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:03:06 -0400 Subject: CENDIV DIvisional Pictures / Some Website Annoucements Anybody have the URL for the folks who were taking pictures at the CENDIV Divisional this past weekend? The team website is now located at http://farnorthracing.com - be sure and visit our sponsors! The Street Modified website can now be found at http://streetmodified.org, which is a little easier to remember. And yes, it needs updating badly. Coming soon! ;) DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 09:28:46 2000 From: "HEYWARD WAGNER" To: , Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:27:21 -0400 Subject: Re: "Who Will Win" MX-6 Classing you know, I had the same question.... of course there is a new player in the HS game that Sportscar missed...... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Heyward K. Wagner TEAM UNDERDOG RACING Honda Civic Si - HS #48 www.teamunderdog.com IMPACT GRAPHICS Custom Automotive Graphics - Numbers - Magnetics - Static Cling 1-877-945-7446 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:36 AM Subject: "Who Will Win" MX-6 Classing > While looking through the who will win picks, I noticed something odd. Did > Danny Shields buy a pre 93 MX-6? or did SportsCar mess up? They Pick Danny > and Sharron to repeat HStock wins if they bring the MX-6. As I read my rule > book, the MX-6 moved to EStock along without our 95 Celica ST's > > Gary M. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 09:32:51 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: autox mailing list , cp@twingles.com, Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: '98 Neon ACR Sedan for sale Howdy, In a move to reduce the number of vehicles I own to a more reasonable level and free up funds for my CP car, I'm selling my (DS legal) '98 Neon ACR Sedan. I'm asking $9k or best offer. This car is my current daily driver and has no problems at all. Edmunds and Kelly blue book both say around $10k to $10.5k retail. Personally I think that's pretty high, so I'm setting the price at $9k in the hopes that this will make it move fast. If you're interested, please contact me at: marka@telerama.com 724-378-5573 (home) 412-544-1417 (work) Car specs: '98 Neon ACR Sedan (SOHC motor, 4 door, 5 speed) 36.5k miles White w/ blue check National Champ. interior AC Factory AM/FM/Cass -- 6 speaker Cruise (added using factory kit) Truck release (added using factory parts) Both (ACR and base) front swaybars. Factory Koni's slotted per factory specs. K&N Factory mudflaps & floor mats Dunlop D60's with around 20k miles on factory alloys (can substitute with a set of 205 Yokohama AVS Intermediates in excellent shape if desired). Neon Racing Magnetics Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 09:42:16 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: Ron Bauer Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:23:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? Wasn't something printed earlier this year that no car classifications in time for the current year's nationals would take place after May (end or beginning, I don't remember), just to avoid the previous two years' problems. --Type R into GS, RSR (clarification) into AP. --Pat Kelly Ron Bauer wrote: > > Mark, there was a '97 model of the Type R, and for all intents and purposes, > it was classed just prior to the '98 Nationals. While I'm no longer > bothered by it (obvioulsy my Team Butt Heat co-member still holds a > grudge.....) it is something that should be avoided. > > So, Joe's comment is accurate that cars shouldn't be classed right before > Nationals, regardless of whether they are brand new or not. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: TeamZ3@aol.com > To: jcgz3@hotmail.com ; autox@autox.team.net > > Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? > > > jcgz3@hotmail.com writes: > > > ><< This sounds like what did happen in 98 with the Type-R ;-). While the > > Type-R was not new, it was new to stock and not explored, thus the same > > exact scenario ;-). >> > > > > > >It's not the same exact scenario. It was a 98 model in the 98 Nat's and > the > >SEB classified it after receiving a recommendation from the SCAC. Further, > >if the 99 model was available and essentially unchanged from 98 the SEB is > >allowed to approve them as well. Besides, I recall a Talon taking home the > >brass in 98. > > > >It has nothing to do with Z06 situation, twisting of words/intent excepted. > > > >Sipe > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 10:36:13 2000 From: "Daniel Bettis" <140mhz24@isoc.net> To: "Tracy, Michael, KC1SX" , Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:43:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Wheels needed for Saturn It the offset and center bores will work there are the OEM Miata wheels. Dan Bettis 140MHZ24@isoc.net Predator Motorsport http://www.predatormotorsport.com 96 Miata R 4 CSP 92 Z24 24 SM best et 15.27@86.8mph 6.85 0-60 84 Z28 24 CP best et 13.74@99.45mph, for sale? http://fpw.isoc.net/140mhz24/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy, Michael, KC1SX" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 10:43 Subject: Wheels needed for Saturn > Does anybody know of an aftermarket source for 15x6 inch alloy wheels with a > 4-100 bolt pattern? What are most Saturn autox'ers running? > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 10:47:47 2000 From: eric chase person To: Jeff Lloyd Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:46:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Therotical tire purchase Absolutely DO NOT buy the Nitto NT450's. The NT stands for No Traction. They are horrible in the wet and very bad in the dry also. I have had to pump them up to 50 or soin the front to get them to hang on at all and then i have a poor ride and braking. Now my rears with only about 20k on them are completely worn out and it feels like there are no intact bands left in them. Just looking at them you can see bulges around the entire surface of the tread. Sorry for the rant but as you can tell i hate Nitto's. My next set will be re-71's. Eric Person 86 Scirocco 16v On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Jeff Lloyd wrote: > After having my first serious hydroplaning experience a week ago. Now I > called discount tire direct to see if they had another suggestion > And they told me "NITTO 450 extreme" it seemed the tire rack sales person > was much more "with it" but is he just trying to make money > off me??? > > So any suggestions for ultimate wet grip? Or which one is the best from your > experence? > > Kumho 712 > Bridgestone PP S-02 > Nitto 450 > > Jeff Lloyd > > > > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 11:35:45 2000 From: will@kalman.org (Will Kalman) To: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:34:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Therotical tire purchase >Absolutely DO NOT buy the Nitto NT450's. The NT stands for No Traction. >They are horrible in the wet and very bad in the dry also. I have had to >pump them up to 50 or soin the front to get them to hang on at all and >then i have a >poor ride and braking. Now my rears with only about 20k on them are >completely worn out and it feels like there are no intact bands left in >them. Just looking at them you can see bulges around the entire surface of >the tread. >Sorry for the rant but as you can tell i hate Nitto's. My next set will >be re-71's. > >Eric Person >86 Scirocco 16v I'm so glad to hear this! I've only been autocrossing for about 6 months, all of it on NT-450s and I'm getting fairly competitive in STS. I've been street driving them for 14 months (60 mile round-trip to work), have 100 miles of Buttonwillow Open-Track time on them, and 7 solo2 events with as many practice days. Strange that you had to pump them up so high because I was doing some experimenting this last weekend and found that 38f 33r was a really keen setup. I had previously been running 42f 36r. I have 205/50 on 16x7 wheels. I'll have to replace them before winter but that's mostly due to two solo2 practice days on some really ugly "cheese grater" broken asphalt. I recently checked them for runout and there was maybe 1mm of radial runout and no sidewall anomalies at all. Drove to work on them today. The reason I'm glad to hear this is because I'm going to buy some AVS-I's for dedicated track use :) I will defend the 450's by saying that they wear forever (tw=300) and they have *excellent* street manners, IMO. I'll probably buy them again for the street where responsiveness and wear means more to me than absolute grip. How'd you manage to wear the *rears* out so fast? Will Kalman 1991 Escort GT From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 12:16:09 2000 From: Alek Tziortzis To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:12:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Anybody see where MArk Daddio is entered in? At nationals? He is listed as co-driving Bruce Belloms car in Fstock. Although he lists hoosier, while Bruce Bellom lists Kumho Anybody need a co-driver for ANY other class? :^) Alex Tziortzis 98 1LE Fstock (Gulp!) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 12:23:41 2000 From: Brian Beckman To: "'nwautox@wwscc.org'" , Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:02:44 -0700 Subject: Physics of Racing Part 17 http://www.geocities.com/brianbec6/phors017.zip for Windows http://www.geocities.com/brianbec6/phors017.sit for Macintosh feedback welcome, as always From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 13:17:24 2000 From: Bradley Lamont To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:04:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals entries Current entry numbers (as of 8/16/00): SS 29 SSL 9 AS 31 ASL 7 BS 30 BSL 9 CS 31 CSL 5 DS 15 DSL 3 ES 19 ESL 3 FS 38 FSL 3 GS 29 GSL 3 HS 13 HSL 2 ASP 14 ASPL 3 BSP 27 BSPL 5 CSP 21 CSPL 6 DSP 8 DSPL 0 ESP 27 ESPL 8 FSP 19 FSPL 3 AP 7 APL 0 BP 11 BPL 1 CP 51 CPL 10 DP 12 DPL 4 EP 9 EPL 4 FP 3 FPL 0 AM 16 AML 0 BM 11 BML 2 CM 32 CML 2 DM 11 DML 1 EM 25 <----- Includes 11 SM cars EML 4 <----- Includes 1 SM car FM 9 FML 1 F125 6 F125L 1 STS 14 STSL 2 Total 669 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Lamont email: lamont@mailhost.org http://www.mailhost.org/~lamont From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 13:36:05 2000 From: Jeff Winchell To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:28:25 -0700 Subject: National Entries: CP, FS, ESP... Well, in the "dinosaur classes".... CP has more entries than all other Prepared (open and women) classes combined. FS is the second largest class at nationals. And ESP is still way down from last year as the 9th largest class. With a large sample size (669 entries), I doubt the pattern of low ESP attendence this year is likely to reverse. -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Lamont [mailto:lamont@mailhost.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:04 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Nationals entries Current entry numbers (as of 8/16/00): SS 29 SSL 9 AS 31 ASL 7 BS 30 BSL 9 CS 31 CSL 5 DS 15 DSL 3 ES 19 ESL 3 FS 38 FSL 3 GS 29 GSL 3 HS 13 HSL 2 ASP 14 ASPL 3 BSP 27 BSPL 5 CSP 21 CSPL 6 DSP 8 DSPL 0 ESP 27 ESPL 8 FSP 19 FSPL 3 AP 7 APL 0 BP 11 BPL 1 CP 51 CPL 10 DP 12 DPL 4 EP 9 EPL 4 FP 3 FPL 0 AM 16 AML 0 BM 11 BML 2 CM 32 CML 2 DM 11 DML 1 EM 25 <----- Includes 11 SM cars EML 4 <----- Includes 1 SM car FM 9 FML 1 F125 6 F125L 1 STS 14 STSL 2 Total 669 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Lamont email: lamont@mailhost.org http://www.mailhost.org/~lamont From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 13:36:45 2000 From: "Michael Bullis" To: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:37:12 -0700 Subject: RE: Nationals entries wait for the update - over 900 i was told on the phone today!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bradley Lamont Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:04 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Nationals entries Current entry numbers (as of 8/16/00): SS 29 SSL 9 AS 31 ASL 7 BS 30 BSL 9 CS 31 CSL 5 DS 15 DSL 3 ES 19 ESL 3 FS 38 FSL 3 GS 29 GSL 3 HS 13 HSL 2 ASP 14 ASPL 3 BSP 27 BSPL 5 CSP 21 CSPL 6 DSP 8 DSPL 0 ESP 27 ESPL 8 FSP 19 FSPL 3 AP 7 APL 0 BP 11 BPL 1 CP 51 CPL 10 DP 12 DPL 4 EP 9 EPL 4 FP 3 FPL 0 AM 16 AML 0 BM 11 BML 2 CM 32 CML 2 DM 11 DML 1 EM 25 <----- Includes 11 SM cars EML 4 <----- Includes 1 SM car FM 9 FML 1 F125 6 F125L 1 STS 14 STSL 2 Total 669 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradley Lamont email: lamont@mailhost.org http://www.mailhost.org/~lamont From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 13:45:33 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:36:02 -0400 Subject: Perry (GA State S2 Championship) Those of you who are planning to attend the Georgia State Solo II Championship in Perry on August 25 to 27 please take a few moments to register on-line at . This will make our registration process quicker and easier for you because you won't have to fill out a form and wait for us to enter your data into the computer if you do this. The entry fee will be $45 for both days and $25 for one day. Entry fee includes free access to the Georgia Motorfest show. If you have family or friends attending who aren't entered they will have to pay $5 each for the weekend. Expect a surprise announcement concerning prize money at the event. Schedule: When? What? What time? Where? Friday Registration & Tech 6-8 PM GA National Fairgrounds Evening Pool Party 6-? PM Holiday Inn Rm 122 Saturday Registration & Tech 8-9 AM GA National Fairgrounds First Car on course 10 AM GA National Fairgrounds Lunch Break ? GA National Fairgrounds Afternoon session ? GA National Fairgrounds Fun Runs? After event GA National Fairgrounds Evening Pool Party 6-? PM Holiday Inn - Rm 122 Sunday Registration & Tech 8-9 AM GA National Fairgrounds First Car on course 10 AM GA National Fairgrounds Lunch Break ? GA National Fairgrounds Afternoon session ? GA National Fairgrounds Awards Presentation After event GA National Fairgrounds Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 14:17:40 2000 From: "Richard Atkins" To: "'Stephen Bernard'" , Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:31:04 -0500 Subject: RE: Legend car class RE your guess of 15 drivers in F125 at National, better get on the phone and get 9 more to sign up, as of now only 6! How much $ did we bet? -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Stephen Bernard Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 8:23 PM To: buzz@indiana.net Cc: LiloACRguy@AOL.COM; buzz@indiana.net; bhaden@ucsd.edu; autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Legend car class > In any case it looks like it didn't work, how many have you see at > regionals > or division or NT, I recall one and I do 3-4 events per month. It > looks like > F125 Karts (anybody want to make a bet on how many will show at > Nationals this year?). I would guess that the Nationals will have at least 15 drivers in the F125 Kart class. Steve Bernard Red '99 Miata (B-Stock) NER Region (Novice Class) mailto:Solo-2@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 14:27:49 2000 From: "David Ebel" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:25:41 GMT Subject: Tokico Shock Install I go ahold of the Tokico Premium shocks for my 95 240SX, and I'm going to attempt the install tonight. I just have the rears right now, but the fronts are on the way. I want to get the rears replaced ASAP since the right one is shot, and I fear bushing damage. Any tips on the install? Thanks - I can't wait to drive the hell out of these shocks on the course (and lets face it - the street too) ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 16:20:05 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: , "Team.Net" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:17:23 -0700 Subject: Re: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championships Alert Mike B. replied to Rocky E. note... > << Currently, entries for the event are running nearly double the usual amount > at this time of the year, and forecasting indicates that the event could run > close to 1400 entries if left unchecked. With quality of presentation > concerns, and a need to assure that all entrants get the proper number of > runs per day, the SCCA National Office made the decision today to cap the > number at 1200, the current logistical maximum. >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------ > Is this for real???? A cap on the Nationals???????? Sounds like some really > slick > marketing to me???? It's a conspiracy. Ask Linhoff or Foster. They'll back up any conspiracy theory :-) If it is marketing, it seems like it's working. Looks like Danielle Engstrom is doing a good job for all of us. I wonder how the SCCA can afford her? ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 16:38:24 2000 From: Stephen Bernard To: buzz@indiana.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:28:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Legend car class > RE your guess of 15 drivers in F125 at National, better get on the > phone and get 9 more to sign up, as of now only 6! > How much $ did we bet? That was an old post but I bet they are trying to get 15 since they need about that. Steve Bernard Red '99 Miata (B-Stock) NER Region (Novice Class) mailto:Solo-2@juno.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 16:50:06 2000 From: "Arthur Emerson" To: oz@tirerack.com, Hottvr@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:47:09 GMT Subject: Re: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championships Alert Bill Ozinga wrote: > >Looks like Danielle Engstrom is doing a good job for >all of us. I wonder how the SCCA can afford her? Uh...through selling advertising space on the windshields of all our cars to tirerack.com????? ;-) -Arthur ("Figured it out even before there was a conspiracy" edition.) ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 17:51:26 2000 From: "Darren P. Madams" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:47:25 -0700 Subject: 1k in 2k (sorry long) Was kind of shocked to see the press release this morning about capping the number of Nationals entries. Got me off my ass to fax in my entry real quick! I'm on digest so haven't seen any responses to it yet... but I'm assuming there will be a couple of sides to the issue: o You should have gotten your entry in on time o We should never turn people away from autocross as long as the site permits o We should cap it at 1000 just because o We should only allow people who have qualified (trophied at a tour or divisional) to enter. Obviously there's going to be points on either side of those. Personally, I side with #2 (see below). I checked back in my archives and found this post from Lindsay Wilson, reposted without permission (sorry!) but I think it's interesting. Following the thread, there wasn't really much discussion on it... Rocky responded saying he didn't know the answer but basically thought we shouldn't cap if possible, a couple people talked about events in Texas starting to get too big for 4 runs, and then it ended up in Mark Sirota's [correct] analysis of car starting intervals determining running time, not course length. I don't think the real question ever got answered. >D a t e: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:50:11 -0600 >F r o m: Lindsay Wilson >S u b j e c t: new debate question, 1K in 2K? > >Question; > >Would it be a 'good thing' to have 1,000+ entries at the >2000 Tire Rack SCCA Solo2 National Championships? > >In 1997 we hoped long and hard for the 'magic' 1000 entries >for the 25th anniversary. Got 927 "competitors" as I recall. >(Check me on that please Rocky E.) Every year since, we have >talked about the magic 1,000. What would happen if we actually >got those 1,000 entries? Not much really, a roughly 10% increase >wouldn't mean much. We'd hardly notice the extra 100 or so drivers. >BUT, what if in trying to get the 'magic' 1000, 1200 or 1400 show >up? An extra 300 - 500 WOULD be noticed! LONG days. Tight >paddock space, crowded award party, etc. > >So, the question I ask; should an effort be made to get more drivers >to the 2000 Tire Rack SCCA Solo2 National Championships? > > > Lindsay Being from San Francisco region where we have recently started requiring membership to run with us to help slow our increased attendance problems I can stand on both sides of the issue. But in our case, it's more of a space and time issue than I think happens at Topeka. Except I guess the banquets will be too busy with 1200 entries (I would skip a banquet to be able to attend otherwise). This thread also came up about limiting one of the tours if I recall. To answer Lindsay's question: Yes, I think it's a good thing to have that big attendance and that many people enjoying our sport. If we need to find a way to get them all to run (Run Monday... 5 days or more? A lot of horse shows run over a week or two) or a way to make them fit in a banquet hall (maybe not serve dinner) then I think that's what we need to do. Limiting our sport especially at a national level is, imho, a way to discourage those people that do run regional events to try to compete and want to be a national champion. I for one find national events far more enjoyable than regionals... but I'm glad I stated in the SFR regional program and was nurtured from the beginning. I'm not a competitive national-level driver but that's where I want to play. --Darren From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 18:11:59 2000 From: Ghsharp@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:09:24 EDT Subject: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championships Alert This is the press release issued yesterday from the SCCA Rally/Solo Dept in Denver for anyone who has not yet seen it: For immediate release 15 August 2000 SCCA National Office Announces First Time Ever Entry Cap for the Tire Rack SCCA National Solo Championships DENVER, CO: For the first time in SCCA history, the annual September running of The Tire Rack SCCA National Solo Championships in Topeka, Kansas will cap total entries at 1200 participants. Explosive growth within the sport of Solo competition in the last 12 months has resulted in record entries to the Topeka event -- already the largest event of its kind in the world by a substantial margin -- increasing its size by nearly one-third for the 2000 running. For the last several seasons, the Tire Rack SCCA National Solo Championships have hovered at the 900 - 940 entry level. A goal of "1000 in 2000," set by Howard Duncan, SCCA Project Manager, late last year seemed easily attainable, but the overwhelming growth in the sport far exceeded this now seemingly conservative goal. Duncan said "We are truly thrilled the adjustments we made to the National Solo program for 2000 have been so well accepted by the enthusiast community, and the Tire Rack's marketing assistance has clearly had an increased exposure role for us as well." Currently, entries for the event are running nearly double the usual amount at this time of the year, and forecasting indicates that the event could run close to 1400 entries if left unchecked. With quality of presentation concerns, and a need to assure that all entrants get the proper number of runs per day, the SCCA National Office made the decision today to cap the number at 1200, the current logistical maximum. Dennis Dean, Vice President of the SCCA Rally, Solo and Club Racing departments sees the opportunity for the Tire Rack SCCA National Solo Championships to expand the format of the event in 2001 to accommodate a significantly larger crowd. "We are in the best situation possible right now, with the overall accessibility and interest in the sport at an all-time high. We are also mindful of the importance of presenting a quality event, and feel that it is best at this juncture to cap our entries, and give those in attendance the best show possible." "There are still spaces available," reminded Tasha Goodale, the SCCA's Rally/Solo Department Manager; "but we can see those remaining slots filling fast." Faxed entries are always accepted, and sending completed entry forms to the Club office by the end of business on Friday, 18 August will avoid the $50.00 late fee that goes into effect on Monday, 21 August. The Rally/Solo department fax number is 303.694.3654. For more information regarding the SCCA's National Solo Program, the Topeka-based "Tire Rack SCCA National Solo Championships" or the Tire Rack, visit the following websites: www.scca.org www.tirerack.com or contact the SCCA National Office at RallySolo@compuserve.com or by calling 303.779.6622 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 18:32:10 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: "Darren P. Madams" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:15:27 -0700 Subject: Re: 1k in 2k (sorry long) Looks like next year SCCA is thinking of expanding to more days...that'll solve the problem. Of course the economy can go sour and the discretionary income will go away, and the entry will drop. We're living in good times. --Pat Kelly "Darren P. Madams" wrote: > > Was kind of shocked to see the press release this morning about capping the > number of Nationals entries. Got me off my ass to fax in my entry real quick! > > I'm on digest so haven't seen any responses to it yet... but I'm assuming > there will be a couple of sides to the issue: > > o You should have gotten your entry in on time > o We should never turn people away from autocross as long as the site permits > o We should cap it at 1000 just because > o We should only allow people who have qualified (trophied at a tour or > divisional) to enter. > > Obviously there's going to be points on either side of those. Personally, > I side with #2 (see below). > > I checked back in my archives and found this post from Lindsay Wilson, > reposted without permission (sorry!) but I think it's > interesting. Following the thread, there wasn't really much discussion on > it... Rocky responded saying he didn't know the answer but basically > thought we shouldn't cap if possible, a couple people talked about events > in Texas starting to get too big for 4 runs, and then it ended up in Mark > Sirota's [correct] analysis of car starting intervals determining running > time, not course length. I don't think the real question ever got answered. > > >D a t e: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:50:11 -0600 > >F r o m: Lindsay Wilson > >S u b j e c t: new debate question, 1K in 2K? > > > >Question; > > > >Would it be a 'good thing' to have 1,000+ entries at the > >2000 Tire Rack SCCA Solo2 National Championships? > > > >In 1997 we hoped long and hard for the 'magic' 1000 entries > >for the 25th anniversary. Got 927 "competitors" as I recall. > >(Check me on that please Rocky E.) Every year since, we have > >talked about the magic 1,000. What would happen if we actually > >got those 1,000 entries? Not much really, a roughly 10% increase > >wouldn't mean much. We'd hardly notice the extra 100 or so drivers. > >BUT, what if in trying to get the 'magic' 1000, 1200 or 1400 show > >up? An extra 300 - 500 WOULD be noticed! LONG days. Tight > >paddock space, crowded award party, etc. > > > >So, the question I ask; should an effort be made to get more drivers > >to the 2000 Tire Rack SCCA Solo2 National Championships? > > > > > > Lindsay > > Being from San Francisco region where we have recently started requiring > membership to run with us to help slow our increased attendance problems I > can stand on both sides of the issue. But in our case, it's more of a > space and time issue than I think happens at Topeka. Except I guess the > banquets will be too busy with 1200 entries (I would skip a banquet to be > able to attend otherwise). > > This thread also came up about limiting one of the tours if I recall. > > To answer Lindsay's question: Yes, I think it's a good thing to have that > big attendance and that many people enjoying our sport. If we need to find > a way to get them all to run (Run Monday... 5 days or more? A lot of horse > shows run over a week or two) or a way to make them fit in a banquet hall > (maybe not serve dinner) then I think that's what we need to do. Limiting > our sport especially at a national level is, imho, a way to discourage > those people that do run regional events to try to compete and want to be a > national champion. I for one find national events far more enjoyable than > regionals... but I'm glad I stated in the SFR regional program and was > nurtured from the beginning. I'm not a competitive national-level driver > but that's where I want to play. > > --Darren From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 18:51:25 2000 From: Ghsharp@aol.com To: TeamZ3@aol.com, solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:48:26 EDT Subject: Re: BFG Team T/A SEDiv Solo2 - We Did It!!! In a message dated 8/15/00 2:28:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TeamZ3@aol.com writes: > They said it couldn't be done....but we did it. Just want to thank > everyone who helped make the BFGoodrich Team T/A SEDiv Solo2 event > in Ozark, AL a successful happening. In particular the following folks > deserve recogniton for a job well done: > > BFGoodrich Team T/A > Evolution Performance Driving School > Edwards & Edwards Consulting > The Wiregrass Region > The Middle Georgia Region > The Event Chiefs and Officials Mark, You deserve some recognition, too. With the first 2 SEDIV events unavoidably cancelled, you've had a lot of additional headaches this year as the SEDIV Solo II Steward, as if serving in that position wasn't enough work already. We all appreciate your efforts which resulted in a fun event this past weekend. Thanks for all the hard work. GH From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 18:52:11 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: oz@tirerack.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:50:06 EDT Subject: Re: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championships Alert In a message dated 8/16/00 3:15:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oz@tirerack.com writes: << It's a conspiracy. Ask Linhoff or Foster. They'll back up any conspiracy theory :-) If it is marketing, it seems like it's working. Looks like Danielle Engstrom is doing a good job for all of us. I wonder how the SCCA can afford her? >> Just for the record! Linnhoff is spelled with two n's not one. If you plan to comment on Team.Nuts "Conspiracy theories" at least spell the names right. I'm sure that this Foster fellow doesn't even own a car??? Is he coming to the Nats??? If he does I'm sure he will ride the bus!!!!!!!!!! Mike(This is crazy)B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 19:36:08 2000 From: "Murray, Matthew D." To: Teamdotnet Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:33:00 -0400 Subject: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championship Just a few thoughts. Shouldn't it be the Solo-Rally Department at SCCA? Not the other way around? I don't hear Rally entries being capped? :^) Perhaps, the actual trophy procedure start earlier? As we start to eat dinner, rather than after it. If we thighten things up in the presentation, we can get through the entire banquet(s) sooner. It always appears that it is over by 10:30 ish. (Danny? Rich?) Matt Murray mattm@optonline.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the press release issued yesterday from the SCCA Rally/Solo Dept in Denver for anyone who has not yet seen it: For immediate release 15 August 2000 >>> . . . "There are still spaces available," reminded Tasha Goodale, the SCCA's Rally/Solo Department Manager; "but we can see those remaining slots filling fast.". . . . The Rally/Solo department fax number is 303.694.3654.<<< >>>or contact the SCCA National Office at RallySolo@compuserve.com or by calling 303.779.6622<<< From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 19:49:34 2000 From: Mark Hirt To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:48:58 -0500 Subject: Chicago Region SCCA Events 5 & 6 The Chicago Region, SCCA has moved event #6 originally scheduled for October 8 to Monday September 4 at Route 66 Raceway in Joliet Illinois. Route 66 offers approximately 19 acres of unobstructed asphalt. Prelude to the BIG Show.... Part I, Sunday Sept 3 (event #5) Part II, Monday Sept 4 (event #6) Entry forms for both event are available on the region web site (http://www.scca-chicago.com/solo/) Those of you wishing to spend the night at beautiful Route 66 may as long as you are in a self contained motor home type vehicle. Mark Hirt webmaster@scca-chicago.com Chicago Region, SCCA http://www.scca-chicago.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 19:52:25 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: MDMURRAY@gwns.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:51:10 EDT Subject: Re: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championship In a message dated 8/16/2000 6:38:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MDMURRAY@gwns.com writes: << Shouldn't it be the Solo-Rally Department at SCCA? Not the other way around? >> No, because then it sounds like the department in charge of rallying without a co-driver... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 20:02:43 2000 From: "Murray, Matthew D." To: Teamdotnet Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:59:00 -0400 Subject: Re: TireRack SCCA National Solo Champion Rallies might be more interesting if the driver had to read the route instructionas AND drive at the same time. =8^O Seriously, though, Solo Rally Department sounds better. Oh, wait, this is a marketing concept, isn't it,. . . And we know the club doesn't want to have anything to do with that. :^) MM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 8/16/2000 6:38:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, No, because then it sounds like the department in charge of rallying without a co-driver... CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 20:19:33 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: "Darren P. Madams" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:18:21 -0400 Subject: Re: 1k in 2k (sorry long) "Darren P. Madams" wrote: > ... and then it ended up in Mark Sirota's [correct] analysis of car > starting intervals determining running time, not course length. I > don't think the real question ever got answered. That's me, putting a stop to any reasonable discussion on Team.Net. :-) Seriously, this did get hashed to death surrounding this year's Peru Tour... But this is a little different. This is the Nationals. At this point, there has got to be some kind of allowance for anyone who has, say, trophied at a past Nationals or a 2000 National Tour. Had the entry cap been posted earlier I might have a different response, but I'd hate to see people get turned away at this late date if they have a legitimate shot at a Nationals trophy. With any luck, that press release was just a method to get people like you off your duff, to ensure that we get up to the 1,000 number. [Without getting into a big discussion of Divisionals vs. Tours, I'll point out that there's a very wide range of Divisional events around the country, some 1/6th the size of others, some one day and some two, some one event and some a series of events. That's why Yokohama pulled out of the Divisional program all those years ago, when the National Tours began. Using relative performance at a Divisional event as a qualifying metric for Nationals is frought with issues...] Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 20:30:48 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: Mark Sirota Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:14:54 -0700 Subject: Re: 1k in 2k (sorry long) Way back when, (in the dark ages) the SEB did discuss qualifying for nationals via divisionals (this was before Tours existed), but the idea was turned down by the national board of directors. The BoD wanted it to be a y'all come concept. --Pat Kelly Mark Sirota wrote: > > "Darren P. Madams" wrote: > > ... and then it ended up in Mark Sirota's [correct] analysis of car > > starting intervals determining running time, not course length. I > > don't think the real question ever got answered. > > That's me, putting a stop to any reasonable discussion on Team.Net. :-) > > Seriously, this did get hashed to death surrounding this year's Peru > Tour... But this is a little different. This is the Nationals. At > this point, there has got to be some kind of allowance for anyone who > has, say, trophied at a past Nationals or a 2000 National Tour. > > Had the entry cap been posted earlier I might have a different > response, but I'd hate to see people get turned away at this late > date if they have a legitimate shot at a Nationals trophy. > > With any luck, that press release was just a method to get people like > you off your duff, to ensure that we get up to the 1,000 number. > > [Without getting into a big discussion of Divisionals vs. Tours, I'll > point out that there's a very wide range of Divisional events around > the country, some 1/6th the size of others, some one day and some two, > some one event and some a series of events. That's why Yokohama pulled > out of the Divisional program all those years ago, when the National > Tours began. Using relative performance at a Divisional event as a > qualifying metric for Nationals is frought with issues...] > > Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 20:42:31 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "HEYWARD WAGNER" , , Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:23:42 -0500 Subject: Re: "Who Will Win" MX-6 Classing From: HEYWARD WAGNER >of course there is a new player in the >HS game that Sportscar missed...... Yeah, me in my TR4 with wire wheels and 165mm tires. Oh. You meant at Nationals... Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban, 1962 Triumph TR4 LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 20:43:01 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:41:48 -0500 Subject: Re: 1k in 2k (sorry long) Actually, it was in effect for one year - mid 80's I think. Fairly liberal, but in effect none-the-less. I was grandfathered in being the previous year's champion. At our Divisional, every driver (8-9??) intended on heading to Salina - but with the rules in place, whoever finished last could not go. The rules at this site (Walesboro, IN) said that 2 wheels off the pavement was a DNF. Every run, I crossed the finish line & drove off into the grass with two wheels - hence a DNF for every run. With the collusion of Loyd Loring, who was announcing this Divisional, we had a lot of fun at the expense of the rules. This was during the Dick Bonheim days at the SCCA office, I think. Roger Johnson (Ohio) LO> Way back when, (in the dark ages) the SEB did discuss qualifying for LO>nationals via divisionals (this was before Tours existed), but the idea LO>was turned down by the national board of directors. The BoD wanted it to LO>be a y'all come concept. LO> --Pat Kelly LO>Mark Sirota wrote: LO>> LO>> "Darren P. Madams" wrote: LO>> > ... and then it ended up in Mark Sirota's [correct] analysis of car LO>> > starting intervals determining running time, not course length. I LO>> > don't think the real question ever got answered. LO>> LO>> That's me, putting a stop to any reasonable discussion on Team.Net. :-) LO>> LO>> Seriously, this did get hashed to death surrounding this year's Peru LO>> Tour... But this is a little different. This is the Nationals. At LO>> this point, there has got to be some kind of allowance for anyone who LO>> has, say, trophied at a past Nationals or a 2000 National Tour. LO>> LO>> Had the entry cap been posted earlier I might have a different LO>> response, but I'd hate to see people get turned away at this late LO>> date if they have a legitimate shot at a Nationals trophy. LO>> LO>> With any luck, that press release was just a method to get people like LO>> you off your duff, to ensure that we get up to the 1,000 number. LO>> LO>> [Without getting into a big discussion of Divisionals vs. Tours, I'll LO>> point out that there's a very wide range of Divisional events around LO>> the country, some 1/6th the size of others, some one day and some two, LO>> some one event and some a series of events. That's why Yokohama pulled LO>> out of the Divisional program all those years ago, when the National LO>> Tours began. Using relative performance at a Divisional event as a LO>> qualifying metric for Nationals is frought with issues...] LO>> LO>> Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 21:07:03 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: JDMurphy47@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:52:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Solo2Atlanta] Perry, GA Sure, we can set up anytime on Friday. On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:35:56 EDT JDMurphy47@aol.com writes: > Ben, > One last (?) question - Are we allowed to set up the canopy, etc., > shortly > before 6pm Friday at Perry? > > Jim Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 21:08:37 2000 From: Eric W Clements To: hottvr@birch.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:07:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Therepy Time! > > Mari Clemts wrote: > > > '88 Yale University BA in Psychology [snip] > > > National Council on Family Relations, > > > (and Sports Car Club of America), > > > but not a member of the American Psychoanalytic Society (or Freud's fan club). On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:08:28 -0500 Mike Bultemeier writes: > All of that and your not a member of Emily's List??????? What's Emily's List? Eric ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 21:31:07 2000 From: "Moore, John" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:20:50 -0500 Subject: STS SportsCar Predictions First of all, anyone notice that #13 in STS is Brian Priebe in a Subaru? Lets just hope the start is really nice and tight like usual on both courses so those Subaru's wont be able to use thier advantage. Lets also hope it doesn't rain either day or all of us front drivers are dead meat to the Subarus. STS is one class that SportsCar better have a SportsCar was wrong t-shirt printed for. While I think the Subaru's have a definite advantage in ProSolo because of thier ability to launch hard, the typical Nationals style start kills that advantage. The SportsCar article didn't seem to take this into account, nor did they seem to take into account the CENDIV players like John Fessler, Paul Wines, (or if the course is right then Ron Conrad). I have seen Paul Wines and John Fessler run recently at several events and they just seem to get faster and faster (while I seem to get slower and slower). And lets not count out Doug Gill, who from what I hear has been really fast this year also. STS is a pretty "up in the air" class as far as who wins, but one thing I can say, if my year continues its trend: I (John Moore) will be 1 place out of the trophies! 6th ( off 5th by 2.9 seconds) at the Meridian Tour in CS, 5 trophies. 4th (off 3rd by .073, and only 1.22 off first) at the Peru Tour in STS, 3 trophies. I seem to be the Fastest of the Slow Guys all the time. Maybe I should put that on a t-shirt. John Moore From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 21:37:56 2000 From: Paul Cezanne To: "Team.Net" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:34:10 -0400 Subject: Re: TireRack SCCA National Solo Champion >Rallies might be more interesting if the driver had to read the route >instructionas AND drive at the same time. =8^O Uhhhh, to do well that is what you do. The driver is responsible for staying on course, the navigator is responsible for staying on time. This means that the driver also reads the route instructions. We have equipment that lets us do this somewhat safely and when needed, we ask the navigator to read them to us. -- pZ -- Paul Cezanne (formerly Czarnecki) Please consider buying my wife's new book, The Illusionist, (http://www.JeannetteAngell.com) and then help the UN feed the world for free @ http://www.TheHungerSite.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 21:59:02 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:58:44 -0400 Subject: Re: STS SportsCar Predictions If you are fastest of the slow guys, I am slowest of the slow guys.... But fastest of the four doors at peru! Chris Christoc.com Racing Forums http://www.christoc.com/forums/ ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Moore, John" Reply-To: "Moore, John" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:20:50 -0500 First of all, anyone notice that #13 in STS is Brian Priebe in a Subaru? Lets just hope the start is really nice and tight like usual on both courses so those Subaru's wont be able to use thier advantage. Lets also hope it doesn't rain either day or all of us front drivers are dead meat to the Subarus. STS is one class that SportsCar better have a SportsCar was wrong t-shirt printed for. While I think the Subaru's have a definite advantage in ProSolo because of thier ability to launch hard, the typical Nationals style start kills that advantage. The SportsCar article didn't seem to take this into account, nor did they seem to take into account the CENDIV players like John Fessler, Paul Wines, (or if the course is right then Ron Conrad). I have seen Paul Wines and John Fessler run recently at several events and they just seem to get faster and faster (while I seem to get slower and slower). And lets not count out Doug Gill, who from what I hear has been really fast this year also. STS is a pretty "up in the air" class as far as who wins, but one thing I can say, if my year continues its trend: I (John Moore) will be 1 place out of the trophies! 6th ( off 5th by 2.9 seconds) at the Meridian Tour in CS, 5 trophies. 4th (off 3rd by .073, and only 1.22 off first) at the Peru Tour in STS, 3 trophies. I seem to be the Fastest of the Slow Guys all the time. Maybe I should put that on a t-shirt. John Moore From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 22:16:16 2000 From: "boyracer" To: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:22:59 -0700 Subject: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes Recently I have noticed some people cutting holes in the interior of their C4 and C5 corvettes to gain access to the rear shock adjustment. The holes are not that big (about 1.0" diameter), instead of removing the shock to make adjustments it sure saves a lot time . Is this legal? If not, what will happen to them at Nationals? I know for a fact a few of them will be going back and are top contenders. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 23:03:34 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: , , Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:55:20 -0500 Subject: Re: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championships Alert It's all part of the master plan. Heh heh heh. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- ><< It's a conspiracy. Ask Linhoff or Foster. They'll back up any conspiracy > theory :-) >Just for the record! Linnhoff is spelled with two n's not one. If you plan to >comment on Team.Nuts "Conspiracy theories" at least spell the names right. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 23:10:03 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: boyracer@uswest.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:08:34 EDT Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes In a message dated 8/16/00 9:19:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, boyracer@uswest.net writes: << Recently I have noticed some people cutting holes in the interior of their C4 and C5 corvettes to gain access to the rear shock adjustment. The holes are not that big (about 1.0" diameter), instead of removing the shock to make adjustments it sure saves a lot time . Is this legal? If not, what will happen to them at Nationals? I know for a fact a few of them will be going back and are top contenders. >> I had a letter from the SEB in '91, allowing such holes as "comfort and convenience" items. Just to make sure, I wrote the same letter in '96, and was told that they would be illegal, as they were a performance advantage, and not C&C items. I then wrote asking if I added tweeters that just happened to be over the top of the shocks, and allowed access to the shocks when removed (many have a bayonet mount that allows them to be removed in seconds), would that be legal under C&C? The answer was "yes". Later that year ('97) after I installed my tweeters in the RX7, I was in Nationals impound, and the impound inspectors let holes in interior panels go without a word. There was a 2nd Gen RX7 with the rear speakers (over the tops of the shocks) missing completely. No penalties given. I guess this means: 1) write the SEB 2) do what they tell you 3) expect that others will not, and that they may not be penalized Charlie Davis From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 23:12:04 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Darren P. Madams" , Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:49:52 -0500 Subject: Re: 1k in 2k (sorry long) >Was kind of shocked to see the press release this morning about capping the >number of Nationals entries. Got me off my ass to fax in my entry real quick! ========================== (Twists greasy villianous mustache with index finger and thumb) So, the subliminal messaging worked. Heh heh heh. >Being from San Francisco region where we have recently started requiring >membership to run with us to help slow our increased attendance problems I >can stand on both sides of the issue. =========================== WOW!!! There's a problem I wish our region had to deal with. Our level of new participants is on the rise, but we've also got some attrition of the veteran competitors to balance it out. But in our case, it's more of a >space and time issue than I think happens at Topeka. Except I guess the >banquets will be too busy with 1200 entries (I would skip a banquet to be >able to attend otherwise). ======================== You're a sick, sick man. Truly NOT Team Laughing Stock material. ;^) If we need to find >a way to get them all to run (Run Monday... 5 days or more? A lot of horse >shows run over a week or two) or a way to make them fit in a banquet hall >(maybe not serve dinner) then I think that's what we need to do. Limiting >our sport especially at a national level is, imho, a way to discourage >those people that do run regional events to try to compete and want to be a >national champion. I for one find national events far more enjoyable than >regionals... but I'm glad I stated in the SFR regional program and was >nurtured from the beginning. I'm not a competitive national-level driver >but that's where I want to play. ============================== I wholeheartedly agree. Even as much as I try to psyche myself out, in reality I'll probably never be in contention for a jacket. Well, perhaps if I give the driver enough of a shot of the "squeeze". ;^) But I still want to play with the top guns just to see how I compare and am hopefully improving. The whole "nationals" experience is truly a Zen thing. There's FAR more to it than just the 6 minutes of seat time. Without the friends (both old and new), cars, and vacation time off from work it'd just be another long hot autocross Sunday. Since I live a torturously long 75 miles from Topeka folks at work think I'm nuts that I'm gonna spend a weeks worth of vacation in "sunny Topeka". Whadda they know. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 23:12:18 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Murray, Matthew D." , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:03:24 -0500 Subject: Re: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championship That's because there simply aren't that many _truly_ crazy folks. CP is pretty close, but they're no rally drivers. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >Shouldn't it be the Solo-Rally Department at SCCA? Not the other way around? > >I don't hear Rally entries being capped? :^) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 23:24:06 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "boyracer" , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:15:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes Umm, nothing if they put a pair of tweeters in the holes. ;^) (That's audiophile terminology for the Arkansas readers out there.) Semantics? I'm always up for some antics. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >Recently I have noticed some people cutting holes in the interior of >their C4 and C5 corvettes to gain access to the rear shock adjustment. >The holes are not that big (about 1.0" diameter), instead of removing >the shock to make adjustments it sure saves a lot time . Is this >legal? If not, what will happen to them at Nationals? I know for a >fact a few of them will be going back and are top contenders. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 23:38:06 2000 From: "Brian Berryhill" To: "Autox" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:34:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for cars What about a couple of disconnected LED's in holes for Tokico strut access? They're only 4-6mm in diameter. Currently I have a couple of plastic clips that hold the interior pieces together stuck in the holes, so you can't see a hole, and it looks like it's supposed to be that way. I'm not going national for a long long time, so it's not an issue for me. Brian -- Brian Berryhill http://www.angelfire.com/ms/brianberryhill/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "boyracer" ; Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes > Umm, nothing if they put a pair of tweeters in the holes. ;^) (That's > audiophile terminology for the Arkansas readers out there.) > > Semantics? I'm always up for some antics. > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > #69DS TLS #13 > '98 Neon R/T > > > "The future belongs to those who believe > in the beauty of their dreams." > -Eleanor Roosevelt > ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 16 23:45:16 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Brian Berryhill" , "Autox" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:37:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for cars Whatever. I think the point is a semantical one at best. You are not supposed to cut a "shock access" hole if it didn't come that way from the factory. But you can cut that same hole if it's for a C&C item such as speakers or a pair of rearward aimed 100W driving lights to combat those dimwits who insist upon driving behind you with their high beams on. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >What about a couple of disconnected LED's in holes for Tokico strut access? >They're only 4-6mm in diameter. > >Currently I have a couple of plastic clips that hold the interior pieces >together stuck in the holes, so you can't see a hole, and it looks like it's >supposed to be that way. > >I'm not going national for a long long time, so it's not an issue for me. > >Brian From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 02:18:06 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:14:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > Later that year ('97) after I installed my tweeters in the RX7, I was > in Nationals impound, and the impound inspectors let holes in interior > panels go without a word. Oh, c'mon, Charlie, you know better than that. It's not the Chief of Impound's job to do anything about that. It's the competitors' job to file a protest. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 05:00:29 2000 From: Chris and Deb Shenefield To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:00:09 -0400 Subject: used tires wanted 205/50-14 I am asking for a friend of mine...does anyone have used 205/50-14 Hoosiers for sale. Any other brand or size comparable will be considered. Please respond to me privately. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chris From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 06:24:16 2000 From: GSMnow@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:22:22 EDT Subject: (no subject) Tri-State Sports Car Council is hosting an event on Sunday, August 27th at Grissom Aeroplex in Peru, Indiana. For more information, please look at the Tri-State Sports Car Council's website at www.tsscc.org Spots are still available for this preregistration only event! If you have any additional questions, please send an email to TSSCCReg@aol.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 06:41:29 2000 From: Scott Anderson To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Uh-oh, Scarlett's in trouble. I guess with all good news comes bad news. To those of you who know me in the Dixie Region, you know I finally claimed the first win of my brief career this past event. I was pumped. Well- the bad news came yesterday... my beautiful Garnet and Gold 2000 Mistubishi Eclipse GT named Scarlett has a split CV boot that most likley developed at the event. This puts the warranty in serious jeporady. The dealer said they will fix this one, but any other major problem with the car will probably void the warranty. It's looking like I may have to retire for a year. Any suggestions on how I might be able to compete? I am heavily addicted and dearly want to continue competing... I am seriously depressed... Scott Anderson (G-Stock 2000 Eclipse GT) Kinnebrew Motors Racing Dixie Region SCCA ===== Scott Anderson, MCP Network Engineer Orion Systems and Services (850) 222-7163 office I support Alan Keyes and Keyes 2000! Learn more at http://www.Keyes2000.org __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 06:48:54 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: noleanimal@yahoo.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:47:48 GMT Subject: Re: Uh-oh, Scarlett's in trouble. Hummm, if you don't want to autocross your Eclipse can I interest you in an old Alfa that's never seen a warranty in it's life :) Karl >From: Scott Anderson >Reply-To: Scott Anderson >To: autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Uh-oh, Scarlett's in trouble. >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:40:55 -0700 (PDT) > >I guess with all good news comes bad news. To those of >you who know me in the Dixie Region, you know I >finally claimed the first win of my brief career this >past event. I was pumped. Well- the bad news came >yesterday... my beautiful Garnet and Gold 2000 >Mistubishi Eclipse GT named Scarlett has a split CV >boot that most likley developed at the event. This >puts the warranty in serious jeporady. The dealer said >they will fix this one, but any other major problem >with the car will probably void the warranty. It's >looking like I may have to retire for a year. Any >suggestions on how I might be able to compete? I am >heavily addicted and dearly want to continue >competing... I am seriously depressed... > >Scott Anderson (G-Stock 2000 Eclipse GT) >Kinnebrew Motors Racing >Dixie Region SCCA > >===== >Scott Anderson, MCP >Network Engineer >Orion Systems and Services >(850) 222-7163 office > >I support Alan Keyes and Keyes 2000! >Learn more at http://www.Keyes2000.org > >__________________________________________________ >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 06:50:17 2000 From: Mari L Clements To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:47:14 -0400 Subject: Re: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championship On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:51:10 EDT Smokerbros@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 8/16/2000 6:38:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > MDMURRAY@gwns.com writes: << Shouldn't it be the Solo-Rally Department at SCCA? Not the other way > around? >> > > No, because then it sounds like the department in charge of rallying > without a co-driver... Then how about the Solo and Rally Department? mlc '91 MR2 NA '91 Eagle Talon TSi '96 Dodge Cummins Turbo Diesel -----anything after this, I didn't write, and don't necessarily agree with---- ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 06:53:39 2000 From: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com To: Scott Anderson Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:45:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Uh-oh, Scarlett's in trouble. As long as you don't run your solo stickers all season, why would your dealer even know you autox? Seems as if the CV boot cracked and it is getting replaced...simple as that. I would find another dealer to do your service. AB Scott Anderson on 08/17/2000 08:40:55 AM Please respond to Scott Anderson To: autox@autox.team.net cc: (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) Subject: Uh-oh, Scarlett's in trouble. I guess with all good news comes bad news. To those of you who know me in the Dixie Region, you know I finally claimed the first win of my brief career this past event. I was pumped. Well- the bad news came yesterday... my beautiful Garnet and Gold 2000 Mistubishi Eclipse GT named Scarlett has a split CV boot that most likley developed at the event. This puts the warranty in serious jeporady. The dealer said they will fix this one, but any other major problem with the car will probably void the warranty. It's looking like I may have to retire for a year. Any suggestions on how I might be able to compete? I am heavily addicted and dearly want to continue competing... I am seriously depressed... Scott Anderson (G-Stock 2000 Eclipse GT) Kinnebrew Motors Racing Dixie Region SCCA ===== Scott Anderson, MCP Network Engineer Orion Systems and Services (850) 222-7163 office I support Alan Keyes and Keyes 2000! Learn more at http://www.Keyes2000.org __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 07:03:51 2000 From: "Greg Bell" To: "autox team.net list" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:59:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Uh-oh, Scarlett's in trouble. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Anderson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:40 AM Subject: Uh-oh, Scarlett's in trouble. > Well- the bad news came yesterday... > my beautiful Garnet and Gold 2000 > Mistubishi Eclipse GT named Scarlett has a split CV > boot that most likley developed at the event. This > puts the warranty in serious jeporady. The dealer said > they will fix this one, but any other major problem > with the car will probably void the warranty. You didn't actually tell them what you do with the car did you? I can sympathize with you on this, back in 86 I had a new CRX Si that ate two second gear syncro's and one third gear syncro after the third repair they were very upset about fixing the car. Claimed I was abusing it, yada, yada. What I couldn't say was all of the other Honda's I competed against were all crunching second gear as well. A CV boot is a minor thing that could happen anywhere anytime they are over-reacting. Do you have another Mitsu dealer close by? Greg Bell From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 07:04:45 2000 From: Paul Cezanne To: "Team.Net" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:59:20 -0400 Subject: Re: TireRack SCCA National Solo Championship > >Shouldn't it be the Solo-Rally Department at SCCA? Not the other way >around? >> >>I don't hear Rally entries being capped? :^) Actually, Pro Rally is seeing just as big an increase as Solo II is. STPR had an entry cap this year. -- pZ -- Paul Cezanne (formerly Czarnecki) Please consider buying my wife's new book, The Illusionist, (http://www.JeannetteAngell.com) and then help the UN feed the world for free @ http://www.TheHungerSite.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 07:07:23 2000 From: Paul Cezanne To: "Team.Net" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:01:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Uh-oh, Scarlett's in trouble. >As long as you don't run your solo stickers all season, why would your dealer >even know you autox? Seems as if the CV boot cracked and it is getting >replaced...simple as that. I would find another dealer to do your service. A long time ago, my local, non-dealer, mechanic told me when I bought my first new car in 12 years to be sure to bring it by him for warrenty work. He said he could submit the paperwork to Dodge just as well as the dealer could. Never did it for various reasons, but you might want to check around and find a local willing to do it. -- pZ -- Paul Cezanne (formerly Czarnecki) Please consider buying my wife's new book, The Illusionist, (http://www.JeannetteAngell.com) and then help the UN feed the world for free @ http://www.TheHungerSite.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 07:09:08 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: Autox Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for cars Howdy, On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Eric Linnhoff wrote: > Whatever. I think the point is a semantical one at best. You are not > supposed to cut a "shock access" hole if it didn't come that way from the > factory. But you can cut that same hole if it's for a C&C item such as > speakers or a pair of rearward aimed 100W driving lights to combat those > dimwits who insist upon driving behind you with their high beams on. Good thing we've got a rule that: a) inconviences competitors b) encourages what are obviously "semi-cheating" workarounds. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 07:11:59 2000 From: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com To: "Moore, John" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 06:03:25 -0700 Subject: Re: STS SportsCar Predictions Nationals shouldn't have a start even remotely like a Pro - and it hasn't in the few years I have been going. I think the Subaru is an interesting pick for a couple of reasons: The addition of springs SIGNIFICANTLY improves the handling if the car whereas in some of the other top choices (Neon, Prelude) the effect is less dramatic. Another reason I think the GS-R and the SE-R become contenders. The AWD is critical, even in the dry. With non-R tires, grip is at a premium coming out of corners - the 1/10th's and 1/100's gained there add up quick. And a decent amount of after-market support so parts are avail to max out the HP per the rules. Now the X factor I think you are missing is that Brian is an 'A' driver. So IMHO you had better have a far superior car (and his will be built up I bet) if you want to beat him - wet or dry. AB "Moore, John" on 08/16/2000 04:20:50 PM Please respond to "Moore, John" To: autox@autox.team.net cc: (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) Subject: STS SportsCar Predictions First of all, anyone notice that #13 in STS is Brian Priebe in a Subaru? Lets just hope the start is really nice and tight like usual on both courses so those Subaru's wont be able to use thier advantage. Lets also hope it doesn't rain either day or all of us front drivers are dead meat to the Subarus. STS is one class that SportsCar better have a SportsCar was wrong t-shirt printed for. While I think the Subaru's have a definite advantage in ProSolo because of thier ability to launch hard, the typical Nationals style start kills that advantage. The SportsCar article didn't seem to take this into account, nor did they seem to take into account the CENDIV players like John Fessler, Paul Wines, (or if the course is right then Ron Conrad). I have seen Paul Wines and John Fessler run recently at several events and they just seem to get faster and faster (while I seem to get slower and slower). And lets not count out Doug Gill, who from what I hear has been really fast this year also. STS is a pretty "up in the air" class as far as who wins, but one thing I can say, if my year continues its trend: I (John Moore) will be 1 place out of the trophies! 6th ( off 5th by 2.9 seconds) at the Meridian Tour in CS, 5 trophies. 4th (off 3rd by .073, and only 1.22 off first) at the Peru Tour in STS, 3 trophies. I seem to be the Fastest of the Slow Guys all the time. Maybe I should put that on a t-shirt. John Moore From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 07:22:28 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:24:11 -0500 Subject: Nationals Entry Cap AS Posted on www.christoc.com/forums racing forums. Get a FREE message board for your region! ************************************************ I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" issue for Nationals again. I will state this again like many did during the NT debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and don't make the cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting entries to those who finished well at a qualifier event so there is room for "the Top Drivers" has to be the most absurd concept I've heard in a long time. If anyone who wants to go doesn't delay until the last possible moment, it wouldn't be a problem. The deadline is tomorrow, and if you haven't made the commitment to go yet, then maybe you should join a quilting bee! BTW, if you have opposing opinions on this subject, please post them PUBLICLY. There is no reason to privately flame me to get your jollies. Dave From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 07:32:54 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: Dave Whitworth Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:24:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap Wasn't there some kind of "Qualification" tried back in the 1980's?? One of the local Kansas City oldtimers was talking about it this weekend. Can anyone tell me what was tried in the past??? Mike(Just curious)B. 99cm Dave Whitworth wrote: > AS Posted on www.christoc.com/forums racing forums. Get a FREE message board > for your region! > > ************************************************ > > I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" issue for > Nationals again. I will state this again like many did during the NT > debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and don't make the > cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting entries to those who > finished well at a qualifier event so there is room for "the Top Drivers" > has to be the most absurd concept I've heard in a long time. If anyone who > wants to go doesn't delay until the last possible moment, it wouldn't be a > problem. > > The deadline is tomorrow, and if you haven't made the commitment to go yet, > then maybe you should join a quilting bee! > > BTW, if you have opposing opinions on this subject, please post them > PUBLICLY. There is no reason to privately flame me to get your jollies. > > Dave From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 07:56:40 2000 From: "BILLINGS,MIKE (HP-Boise,ex1)" To: "Autox (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:55:25 -0600 Subject: Divisional at Wendover I remember reading there will be a Divisional at Wendover, UT on Labor Day weekend. Can anyone confirm and tell me how to register? Mike From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 08:12:00 2000 From: "goodale7" To: "team.net" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:16:53 -0600 Subject: Nationals entries Hi all, As of Wednesday afternoon 912 entries!!!! Last year the National office received 400 entries on the Friday deadline. If you waited to send your entry in until this week good luck. Later, Jon P.S. I'm on Digest so please c.c. me with flames so I can reply promptly. ;) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 08:15:44 2000 From: miket To: , Dave Whitworth Date: Thu, 17 Aug 00 09:12:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Nationals Entry Cap >===== Original Message From Dave Whitworth ===== > >I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" issue for >Nationals again. I will state this again like many did during the NT >debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and don't make the >cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting entries to those who >finished well at a qualifier event so there is room for "the Top Drivers" >has to be the most absurd concept I've heard in a long time. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree!! As someone who doesn't have alot of time that I can dedicate to autocross (young kids, busy job, etc...) , but really enjoy Nationals, I made a concious decision to not attend a Natioanl or Regional event this year, so that I can justify taking the time for Nationals. I planned to spend the extra $$ becuase I didn't attend a "qualifying" event this year. Just becuase someone didn't attend a National or Regional event doesnlt neccessarily mean that they are not serious (chich I am) of not a contender (I wish I was!), it may just mean that they have read and understand the rules for running at Nationals... Mike Taylor From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 08:34:09 2000 From: Scott Meyers To: "TEAM.NET" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:21:58 -0700 Subject: V-6 Aftermarket Intake Manifold Sources??? While there are many sources for American alternate intake manifolds, I am looking for a source(s) for the Nissan VG30E V-6 (1984-89) engine. I'd like to look at both injection and carburetor models. Anyone have names or numbers for such dealers? Thanks, Scott Meyers From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 08:36:06 2000 From: Scott Anderson To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Karts Okay people, because of the trouble with my car, I am really thinking about getting in to kart racing. BUT, I would still like to use it to compete in the SCCA still. What is everyone's feelings about karts at events. I know in our region we are EXTREMELY careful when the kart is on our course. No cars are staged when the kart is on the line, that sort of thing. Which kinda slow things up for everyone else. Do people sorta frown on this, or does everyone else just enjoy watching them like I do? Scott Anderson (G-Stock 2000 Eclipse GT) Kinnebrew Motors Racing Dixie Region SCCA __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 08:36:24 2000 From: "Larry Steckel" To: marka@telerama.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:35:08 EDT Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for cars OK. So it generally agreed that it is illegal to modify a stock part, in this case an interior panel, to get easy access to a shock absorber which is a legal allowance. Yet,I seem to remember the Solo Board granting an allowance to owners of Sentra SE-R's to drill a hole in the bottom of the McPherson strut tubes so they could mount Koni shocks. Is there an objective standard, or are are the rules more a question of situational ethics? Larry Steckel. >From: "Mark J. Andy" >Reply-To: "Mark J. Andy" >To: Autox >Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for cars >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:08:31 -0400 (EDT) > >Howdy, > >On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Eric Linnhoff wrote: > > Whatever. I think the point is a semantical one at best. You are not > > supposed to cut a "shock access" hole if it didn't come that way from >the > > factory. But you can cut that same hole if it's for a C&C item such as > > speakers or a pair of rearward aimed 100W driving lights to combat those > > dimwits who insist upon driving behind you with their high beams on. > >Good thing we've got a rule that: > >a) inconviences competitors >b) encourages what are obviously "semi-cheating" workarounds. > >Mark > > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 08:40:20 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Larry Steckel'" , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:39:16 -0500 Subject: RE: Rear Shock Access for cars Struts/shocks are free even in Stock. That's the difference. You too can drill away to your hearts content on your struts or shocks. ;^)\ Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- OK. So it generally agreed that it is illegal to modify a stock part, in this case an interior panel, to get easy access to a shock absorber which is a legal allowance. Yet,I seem to remember the Solo Board granting an allowance to owners of Sentra SE-R's to drill a hole in the bottom of the McPherson strut tubes so they could mount Koni shocks. Is there an objective standard, or are are the rules more a question of situational ethics? Larry Steckel. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 08:46:53 2000 From: "Dave Kizerian" To: "BILLINGS,MIKE \(HP-Boise,ex1\)" , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:51:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Divisional at Wendover There is one happening in Wendover Sept 2-3 with registration the night of the 1st... I'm trying to get some information and registration forms online to send out and post on the Utah region site. Preregistration is $45 with $10 added for registration on the 1st and $20 added if registering on the 2nd..... Keep your eye's on www.team.net/urscca and team.net hopefully updates are coming very soon.... Dave Kizerian URSCCA New Driver Coordinator 97' Civic HX STR/S 84' VW GTI STS ----- Original Message ----- From: "BILLINGS,MIKE (HP-Boise,ex1)" To: "Autox (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:55 AM Subject: Divisional at Wendover > > I remember reading there will be a Divisional at Wendover, UT on Labor Day > weekend. Can anyone confirm and tell me how to register? > > Mike > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 08:47:52 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:45:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Nationals entries From: Bradley Lamont wrote: Actually, we believe SM may have reached 15 entries, based on the count we're keeping on the SM Mailing List, and we may reach as high as 24 if some of the MIAs turn up. But let's assume 15 for a sec. 15 is a magic number, not only because it's the "SM gets a real class" breakout number, but because of *why* it's the "SM class breakout number" - any class with less than 15 cars in it is "in trouble" with regards to attendance. [before anyone panics, note that ladies' class numbers count towards the official attendance number, but I have excluded them here - under the theory that most L class cars are also run in the open class with a different driver. I also note that there's still quite a bit of time left before registration closes, so these numbers may change signifigantly by the final date] Let's look at who's got 15 or less cars: >DS 15 (!) <-- Want evidence that contingency money helps attendance? >HS 13 Well, Stock class looks to be in good shape, with the only hurting class being the slowest class - and even then, not hurting by much. >ASP 14 >DSP 8 ASP is the super-expensive SP class, so it's not suprising that it's a little down. DSP, on the other hand, is a little more suprising.... >AP 7 >BP 11 >DP 12 >EP 9 >FP 3 Yow! Aside from The Monster That Is CP, Prepared class as a whole is in serious trouble here. 42 cars *in total* Yikes! >BM 11 >DM 11 >EM 14 >FM 9 BM seems abnormally small; I suspect those numbers will come up. EM is right on the bubble, which is pretty good for such a wide open (and thus expensive) class. The surise here is FM - where are all the Vees? >F125 6 The writing seems on the wall here.... >STS 14 This I expected to be larger than this by now. Street Touring had a much better sophmore year, you'd think that Nationals attendance would be UP. Now, the top 10 1 CP 51 2 FS 38 3 CM 32 4-5 CS/AS 31 6 BS 30 7-8 SS/GS 29 9-10 BSP/ESP 27 Interesting stuff here.... It looks like the FS->ESP->(SM)->CP axis is the core of the Club.... DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 08:52:40 2000 From: rohns@doitnow.com (Jim & Marilyn Rohn) To: Smokerbros@aol.com, boyracer@uswest.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:56:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes Except if you own a Lotus, then the holes that the top of the shocks punched through the fiberglass front aprons will be considered illegal (per 1999 ruling in ASP at Nationals) At 1:08 AM 8/17/00, Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/16/00 9:19:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >boyracer@uswest.net writes: > ><< Recently I have noticed some people cutting holes in the interior of > their C4 and C5 corvettes to gain access to the rear shock adjustment. > The holes are not that big (about 1.0" diameter), instead of removing > the shock to make adjustments it sure saves a lot time . Is this > legal? If not, what will happen to them at Nationals? I know for a > fact a few of them will be going back and are top contenders. >> > >I had a letter from the SEB in '91, allowing such holes as "comfort and >convenience" items. Just to make sure, I wrote the same letter in '96, and >was told that they would be illegal, as they were a performance advantage, >and not C&C items. I then wrote asking if I added tweeters that just >happened to be over the top of the shocks, and allowed access to the shocks >when removed (many have a bayonet mount that allows them to be removed in >seconds), would that be legal under C&C? The answer was "yes". Later that >year ('97) after I installed my tweeters in the RX7, I was in Nationals >impound, and the impound inspectors let holes in interior panels go without a >word. There was a 2nd Gen RX7 with the rear speakers (over the tops of the >shocks) missing completely. No penalties given. > >I guess this means: >1) write the SEB >2) do what they tell you >3) expect that others will not, and that they may not be penalized > >Charlie Davis From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 08:58:46 2000 From: Karen Kraus To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:59:44 -0700 Subject: re: STS SportsCar Predictions Actually, I am still very positive about my SportsCar pick for STS (Eric Kriemelmeyer -- sorry if I'm embarassing you Eric!). Eric's a local guy, and so I've seen him run on wide open courses as well as tight little postage stamps too. If you think the typical Nationals start will hold back his -- or any well-driven Subaru -- I think you're wrong. Even if there is a disadvantage there (and I'm not saying there is), I think the *driver* on the rest of the course will still be the biggest factor. Maybe with Mark in FS, I *will* run STS at Nats! :) Karen Kraus 1996 Camaro Z28 1LE (FS34) no, I'm *still* not buying a Subaru! :) -- "You never get away, you only get someplace else." -- Lovka's Dilemma "No matter what they're telling you, they're not telling you the whole truth." -- Todd's Principle "The best view of your soul is from beyond the edge, looking back." -- No Fear http://www.erols.com/kiirenza/trisk From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 09:12:21 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:09:57 EDT Subject: Warm up/Nationals Seminar info To all coming Labor Day-the hours are sunrise to sunset...I plan to have people signing up for the group you want to be in at 7:30. We will runs groups, take an hour lunch and resume. This has us finishing at 5 pm. Sunday we may run groups a bit tighter to see if we can get all being there out at a decent time like 3pm. For the seminar in Topeka Monday night, again it is at the Capitol Plaza from 6-8pm. All instructors wil try and be there and we will go over the courses gates to gates, giving some general ideas, plans and strategies we think will be key. A $5 cover charge will be at the door plus be prepared to sign in, citing the dates you were in attendence at a school. I will have shirts and decals there and at the warm up. I also plan to have a flyer at nationals registration anyone who wants to be considered for awards and contingencies needs to fill out and return. Don't miss what has been an annual tradition for the past 5 years, not to mention an "enlightening" experiencxe for some. Every little bit you can get to help at Kansas.... Jean Kinser Evolution Performance Driving School-Owner, CoFounder McKamey Autocross Division From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 09:13:08 2000 From: Vince Bly To: Karen Kraus , autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:13:17 -0400 Subject: re: STS SportsCar Predictions At 10:59 AM 8/17/00 -0700, Karen Kraus wrote: > Actually, I am still very positive about my SportsCar pick for STS >(Eric Kriemelmeyer -- sorry if I'm embarassing you Eric!). Eric's a >local guy, and so I've seen him run on wide open courses as well as >tight little postage stamps too. If you think the typical Nationals >start will hold back his -- or any well-driven Subaru -- I think you're >wrong. Even if there is a disadvantage there (and I'm not saying there >is), I think the *driver* on the rest of the course will still be the >biggest factor. > Maybe with Mark in FS, I *will* run STS at Nats! :) > >Karen Kraus >1996 Camaro Z28 1LE (FS34) >no, I'm *still* not buying a Subaru! :) >-- > > >"You never get away, you only get someplace else." > -- Lovka's Dilemma > >"No matter what they're telling you, they're not telling you the whole >truth." > -- Todd's Principle > >"The best view of your soul is from beyond the edge, looking back." > -- No Fear > >http://www.erols.com/kiirenza/trisk > >=============================================== Oh, Wonderful! Just come on over. That's just what we need, more Scoobies. Just bring your Bud Dress. Vince Bly #49 STS From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 09:16:57 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'dg50@daimlerchrysler.com'" , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:14:46 -0500 Subject: RE: Nationals entries >DS 15 (!) <-- Want evidence that contingency money helps attendance? ========================== Uhhh, what do you mean by that? ;^) >HS 13 ========================= I know of a couple of potential HS class winners that have yet to sign up, so that's being taken care of. DSP, on the other hand, is a little more suprising.... =========================== Not surprising to me. It's darn hard to beat those pesky X-19s and there's only like 8 non-cancered-out examples of 'em left around the country. That and since Fiat's dealership network is pretty well gone, I'd bet that each of those 8 car owners have several parts cars sitting in the back yard. ;^) >AP 7 >BP 11 >DP 12 >EP 9 >FP 3 Yow! Aside from The Monster That Is CP, Prepared class as a whole is in serious trouble here. 42 cars *in total* Yikes! ======================= Oh well, let's just combine the two lowest entered classes and get rid of another unneccessary class. ;^) There, that ought to cheese off enough folks for a while. ;^) Eric (head pot stirrer) Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 09:19:34 2000 From: Karen Kraus To: Vince Bly , autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:19:47 -0700 Subject: Re: STS SportsCar Predictions Vince Bly wrote: > Oh, Wonderful! Just come on over. That's just what we > need, more Scoobies. Just bring your Bud Dress. Don't worry on that front -- FS or STS, the Budweiser dress will be in Topeka.... Right Chris? :) Karen Kraus 1996 Camaro Z28 1LE (FS34) no, I'm *not* buying a Subaru! :) -- "You never get away, you only get someplace else." -- Lovka's Dilemma "No matter what they're telling you, they're not telling you the whole truth." -- Todd's Principle "The best view of your soul is from beyond the edge, looking back." -- No Fear http://www.erols.com/kiirenza/trisk From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 09:25:48 2000 From: "Scott Phelps" To: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:24:44 -0400 Subject: RE: Nationals entries >>> "Linnhoff, Eric" writes: 08/17/00 >DSP, on the other hand, is a little more suprising.... >=========================== >Not surprising to me. It's darn hard to beat those pesky X-19s and there's >only like 8 non-cancered-out examples of 'em left around the country. That >and since Fiat's dealership network is pretty well gone, I'd bet that each >of those 8 car owners have several parts cars sitting in the back yard. ;^) I think the fact that all the whiney VW guys got their "i" FSP class this year has a lot more to do with it. I know it decimated the ranks of DSP in the NER region. (10-12 FSP entrants on average and 1-3 in DSP this year) Makes for a slow year for DSP, as the current crop of cars that are classed there now may or may not exist in SP form for a year or two. Takes most people time to build a good SP car. Scott Phelps 88 Yugo GVX #81 EP - NER (owner of 2.5 Fiat X1/9's, one destined for DP in a year or so) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 09:34:10 2000 From: Sam & Greg Scharnberg To: kcautox@egroups.com, NEOKLA-SoloII@egroups.com, autox@autox.team.net, Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:31:19 -0500 Subject: Solotime Series Points Standings are up The updated Solotime Series Points are available at: http://www.midivsolo.org The best 3 out of 4 events count for the Series Championship. While you are at http://www.midivsolo.org check out the entry list for the Final event in the Solotime Series scheduled Sunday and Monday, Sept. 3-4 at the Family Arena in St Charles, MO.   A late fee does not kick until Aug 26th so there is plenty of time to enter. Sam From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 09:40:38 2000 From: Sam & Greg Scharnberg To: kcautox@egroups.com, NEOKLA-SoloII@egroups.com, okla_scca@autox.team.net, Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:39:28 -0500 Subject: Final Solotime Midwest Division Solo II Championship Labor Day Yep, the Solotime Gateway to Nationals is quickly approaching!  The event scheduled for Sunday and Monday, Sept 3-4 at Family Arena in St Charles, MO and hosted by St Louis region promises: -Last chance to qualify for Nationals. -Last chance to better your class point standing in the 2000 Series Championship. -Friday Evening registration and tech at the Event Hotel including Midwestern Hospitality:-) -Two days of competition on an unsealed, huge asphalt lot. -Free photos by Chris Hammond come Monday. -In door restroom facilities (Air Conditioned plus running H2O.) -In door concession stand also Air Conditioned. -Tire service on site by R&S Racing Inc. proprietor "the Tire Doctor" Ron VerMulm - Championship course designed by Joe Haddon. - Dinner at your leisure from 6:00 to 9:00 pm in the Air Conditioned Arena. - Shaded canopy right next to grid for viewing results. - Wonderful giveaways including a Free Nationals Entry, a subscription to NAP, etc. -Casinos within a couple of miles:-) The entry fee is $45.00 until Aug 25th, and goes up from there.  If you haven't received an entry and you want to attend, you can find all the relevant information at: http://www.midivsolo.org http://www.wcsllc.net/GatewaytoNationals C-Ya in St Charles (Look for me in a Casino:-) or in Topeka at Forbes Field, Mama Sam From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 09:44:02 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: , , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:45:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Final Solotime Midwest Division Solo II Championship Labor Day Saturday Evening Registration Not Friday if I do recall correctly??? Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Sam & Greg Scharnberg Reply-To: Sam & Greg Scharnberg Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:39:28 -0500 Yep, the Solotime Gateway to Nationals is quickly approaching!  The event scheduled for Sunday and Monday, Sept 3-4 at Family Arena in St Charles, MO and hosted by St Louis region promises: -Last chance to qualify for Nationals. -Last chance to better your class point standing in the 2000 Series Championship. -Friday Evening registration and tech at the Event Hotel including Midwestern Hospitality:-) -Two days of competition on an unsealed, huge asphalt lot. -Free photos by Chris Hammond come Monday. -In door restroom facilities (Air Conditioned plus running H2O.) -In door concession stand also Air Conditioned. -Tire service on site by R&S Racing Inc. proprietor "the Tire Doctor" Ron VerMulm - Championship course designed by Joe Haddon. - Dinner at your leisure from 6:00 to 9:00 pm in the Air Conditioned Arena. - Shaded canopy right next to grid for viewing results. - Wonderful giveaways including a Free Nationals Entry, a subscription to NAP, etc. -Casinos within a couple of miles:-) The entry fee is $45.00 until Aug 25th, and goes up from there.  If you haven't received an entry and you want to attend, you can find all the relevant information at: http://www.midivsolo.org http://www.wcsllc.net/GatewaytoNationals C-Ya in St Charles (Look for me in a Casino:-) or in Topeka at Forbes Field, Mama Sam From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 09:58:20 2000 From: Gail/Sid deLeon To: Larry Steckel Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:00:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for cars "an objective standard" I don't think the use of this term is allowed, when referring to SCCA rules or policy Sid Larry Steckel wrote: > OK. So it generally agreed that it is illegal to modify a stock part, in > this case an interior panel, to get easy access to a shock absorber which is > a legal allowance. Yet,I seem to remember the Solo Board granting an > allowance to owners of Sentra SE-R's to drill a hole in the bottom of the > McPherson strut tubes so they could mount Koni shocks. > > Is there an objective standard, or are are the rules more a question of > situational ethics? > > Larry Steckel. > > >From: "Mark J. Andy" > >Reply-To: "Mark J. Andy" > >To: Autox > >Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for cars > >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:08:31 -0400 (EDT) > > > >Howdy, > > > >On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Eric Linnhoff wrote: > > > Whatever. I think the point is a semantical one at best. You are not > > > supposed to cut a "shock access" hole if it didn't come that way from > >the > > > factory. But you can cut that same hole if it's for a C&C item such as > > > speakers or a pair of rearward aimed 100W driving lights to combat those > > > dimwits who insist upon driving behind you with their high beams on. > > > >Good thing we've got a rule that: > > > >a) inconviences competitors > >b) encourages what are obviously "semi-cheating" workarounds. > > > >Mark > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 10:16:26 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'boyracer'" , autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:08:03 -0700 Subject: RE: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes I have a hole saw, where do I drill my hole for shock access. Man now I may have to drill some holes in my air filter lid for increased air flow, I mean speaker installation.. :) Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com -----Original Message----- From: boyracer [mailto:boyracer@uswest.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:23 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes Recently I have noticed some people cutting holes in the interior of their C4 and C5 corvettes to gain access to the rear shock adjustment. The holes are not that big (about 1.0" diameter), instead of removing the shock to make adjustments it sure saves a lot time . Is this legal? If not, what will happen to them at Nationals? I know for a fact a few of them will be going back and are top contenders. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 10:50:55 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:48:38 EDT Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes Jim Rohn writes: << Except if you own a Lotus, then the holes that the top of the shocks punched through the fiberglass front aprons will be considered illegal (per 1999 ruling in ASP at Nationals) >> Can you spell "inconsistent?" CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 10:54:44 2000 From: "Steven N. Burkett" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Jim & Marilyn Rohn wrote: > Except if you own a Lotus, then the holes that the top of the shocks > punched through the fiberglass front aprons will be considered illegal (per > 1999 ruling in ASP at Nationals) So are these protest rulings actually written down and archived somewhere? If so, where? Seems like that would be at least as useful as the "clarifications" in the rule book. If not more so. Thanks! Steven From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 11:06:13 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:05:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Nationals entries Just looking at the Top Ten, the first five have no discernable contingencies. Matt Murray mattm@optonline.net Former Y2K DTN admin ************************************** Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 ************************************* ----- Original Message ----- > Now, the top 10 > > 1 CP 51 > 2 FS 38 > 3 CM 32 > 4-5 CS/AS 31 > 6 BS 30 > 7-8 SS/GS 29 > 9-10 BSP/ESP 27 > > DG > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 11:13:32 2000 From: "Pat Salerno" To: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:10:26 -0400 Subject: shock access... Sorry for the delay....I get the digest. Does anyone know how to install small tweeters over the top of the shocks in my boxster. I'm sure you could install them in both my car as well as GHs . Maybe even a few other boxster owners...can we get a discount... So what if the tweeters would be under the hard cover for the convertible.....C & C.... You never know when you might be trapped under the top.....You got to have music. If this one becomes legal let me know.....I have two holes I would just love to drill in my Boxster. PatS 77AS..... Snip >Subject: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes >Recently I have noticed some people cutting holes in the interior of >their C4 and C5 corvettes to gain access to the rear shock adjustment. >The holes are not that big (about 1.0" diameter), instead of removing >the shock to make adjustments it sure saves a lot time . Is this >legal? If not, what will happen to them at Nationals? I know for a >fact a few of them will be going back and are top contenders. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 11:14:15 2000 From: Adam Popp To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:09:31 -0400 Subject: Any Good Go Kart Tracks in Topeka? Hello team.netters. Some of us on the B/SP list were wondering if there any good go kart tracks in Topeka, where they allow a lot of bumping.:) Do any of you on team.net know of such a good go kart place in Topeka? Thanks in advance, I'm out. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 11:16:47 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:16:22 -0400 Subject: DTN Funding Last Call! All: I have received exactly two checks (both from MAC owners, somehow this makes sense :^) ). Phil Either Paul Czarzanne (Czarnecki and Cezanne) Karl Rickert or David Hawkins will be posting shortly the names of those that have contributed via Paypal. So if you still haven't contributed to our Driver To Nationals, Karl Rickert, please click into Paypal or send a check directly to Karl. Thanks to all who have already contributed to the fund, especially when things were so far behind, organizational wise. BTW, Good Luck to everyone venturing out to Nationals! Have safe drives and fun runs. Matt Murray mattm@optonline.net Former Y2K DTN admin ************************************** Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 ************************************* From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 11:34:44 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:32:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > Jim Rohn writes: >> Except if you own a Lotus, then the holes that the top of the shocks >> punched through the fiberglass front aprons will be considered >> illegal (per 1999 ruling in ASP at Nationals) > > Can you spell "inconsistent?" No, it's not. It's not the same thing at all. The ASP issue was that the shocks poked the hole itself, due to being placed close to the fiberglass, and lots of Lotus flex. It's standard wear and tear, much unlike the holes drilled in interior panels. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 11:34:56 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Dave Whitworth Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:30:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap Dave Whitworth wrote: > I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" issue for > Nationals again. I will state this again like many did during the NT > debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and don't make > the cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting entries to > those who finished well at a qualifier event so there is room for "the > Top Drivers" has to be the most absurd concept I've heard in a long > time. If anyone who wants to go doesn't delay until the last possible > moment, it wouldn't be a problem. While I fundamentally agree, and I said so back when this happened with Peru, I disagree in this one case. Why? (1) Because it's Nationals, and (2) because the cap was announced so late in the game. Had the cap been announced when the entry form showed up, I'd probably have something different to say. That said, I'll be surprised if we're over 1100. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 11:36:55 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: raft321@fuse.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:35:17 EDT Subject: Re: Any Good Go Kart Tracks in Topeka? We have gone to Malibu Grand Prix in KC where Liz Berger was manager...it was a ton of fun. Jean From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 11:47:34 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: Mark Sirota Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:39:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap I agree with Mark. I will be really surprised if we get to 1100. Mike B. Mark Sirota wrote: > > While I fundamentally agree, and I said so back when this happened with > Peru, I disagree in this one case. Why? (1) Because it's Nationals, > and (2) because the cap was announced so late in the game. Had the cap > been announced when the entry form showed up, I'd probably have > something different to say. > > That said, I'll be surprised if we're over 1100. > > Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 11:54:39 2000 From: Calvin Hass To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:55:55 -0700 Subject: Free worn Kumhos 275 4 used Kumho Victoracer V700s (R-compound). Very worn, no cords. Can't use them anymore for roadracing, but they should be good enough for some more autocrosses. If you want to give them a try, take them. 275/40/17. Probably need 9" wheels. Free, just need to pay shipping or pick up from me. I could meet somebody at Blaine, Washington if it's more convenient. Let me know, C'ya, Cal. 89 Red Vette Vancouver, Canada From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 11:59:33 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Mark Sirota" , "Dave Whitworth" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:05:42 -0400 Subject: RE: Nationals Entry Cap Mark, what are your opinions on enforcing the required "Competed in a divisional/tour" for entry and Eliminating the $50 surcharge? Also what about a step level, capping entries by date on an increasing scale? Enforce a low cap early, increase that cap as time goes on and entries increase So we can modify the logistics of the event to accommodate the increased entries And if the event never grows above the next "plateau" there is no need to change Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark Sirota Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:30 PM To: Dave Whitworth Cc: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap Dave Whitworth wrote: > I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" issue for > Nationals again. I will state this again like many did during the NT > debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and don't make > the cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting entries to > those who finished well at a qualifier event so there is room for "the > Top Drivers" has to be the most absurd concept I've heard in a long > time. If anyone who wants to go doesn't delay until the last possible > moment, it wouldn't be a problem. While I fundamentally agree, and I said so back when this happened with Peru, I disagree in this one case. Why? (1) Because it's Nationals, and (2) because the cap was announced so late in the game. Had the cap been announced when the entry form showed up, I'd probably have something different to say. That said, I'll be surprised if we're over 1100. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:03:28 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:02:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap And while I am against entry caps, and qualification, etc. Whitworth's concept of EnterEarly is pretty 'absurd' in itself. It is not a fix at all. Entries this year will not bump up against the cap, imo. People DID sent in entries earlier. Buying Dave's concept means entering in August this year, July next, then June the following year. Carried to the extreme, we all will send in entries in January each year, and then modify/change/withdraw in late August. This (EnterEarly) doesn't solve anything. Roger Johnson (Ohio) RJ>MS>Dave Whitworth wrote: RJ>MS>> I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" issue for RJ>MS>> Nationals again. I will state this again like many did during the NT RJ>MS>> debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and don't make RJ>MS>> the cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting entries to RJ>MS>> those who finished well at a qualifier event so there is room for "the RJ>MS>> Top Drivers" has to be the most absurd cond'cept I've heard in a long RJ>MS>> time. If anyone who wants to go doesn't delay until the last possible RJ>MS>> moment, it wouldn't be a problem. RJ>MS>While I fundamentally agree, and I said so back when this happened with RJ>MS>Peru, I disagree in this one case. Why? (1) Because it's Nationals, RJ>MS>and (2) because the cap was announced so late in the game. Had the cap RJ>MS>been announced when the entry form showed up, I'd probably have RJ>MS>something different to say. RJ>MS>That said, I'll be surprised if we're over 1100. RJ>MS>Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:04:18 2000 From: "Rick Brown" To: "Mike Bultemeier" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:04:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap When I went in '90, I believe you had to compete in at least one Divisional level event. Wasn't so much qualification, basically they just wanted you to have experience with the national level format of doing things. Rick Brown FP 240Z > Wasn't there some kind of "Qualification" tried back in the 1980's?? One of the > local > Kansas City oldtimers was talking about it this weekend. Can anyone tell me what > was tried in the past??? > > Mike(Just curious)B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:18:32 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:17:25 GMT Subject: Re: DTN Funding Last Call! >From: "Matt Murray" >I have received exactly two checks (both from MAC owners, somehow >this >makes sense :^) ). >Phil Either >Paul Czarzanne (Czarnecki and Cezanne) Remember folks there is NO deadline for DTN contributions, unlike the Nationals entry deadline (faxed and mailed mine Monday). All monies collected after or at Nationals will be held for the 2001 DTN. Note: JD Kemp is now confirmed as the co-driver of "Alfie" at Nationals!!!!!!! GO TEAM LAUGHING STOCK! Listed below are those whom have contributed via Paypal to date. Mark Sipe Jeffrey Lloyd Brian Beckman Phillip Osborne Eric Linnhoff David Hawkins Chuck McMillion Jim Daniels Mari Clements Beth McClure William Loring Steven Ashcraft William Ozinga Kevin Stevens Jay Mitchell Peter Mottaz Jason Suknot Jon Prevo Rex Tener John Coffey Randy Chase I'd like to thank each and everyone personally, so please stop by at Nationals and say hello! Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:19:31 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: msirota@isc.upenn.edu Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:18:00 EDT Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes I wrote: > Later that year ('97) after I installed my tweeters in the RX7, I was > in Nationals impound, and the impound inspectors let holes in interior > panels go without a word. Mark responded: << Oh, c'mon, Charlie, you know better than that. It's not the Chief of Impound's job to do anything about that. It's the competitors' job to file a protest. >> No, I don't know better than that! It's Impound's job to look for "obvious illegalities" on Stock vehicles. At least it was when I was Chief of Impound. Impound inspectors have filed the protest with the PC on more than one occasion! CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:20:07 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: Smokerbros@aol.com, boyracer@uswest.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:18:33 PDT Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes It seems reasonable to allow people to cut holes for speakers. I don't see that it's then necessary or reasonable to allow them to take the speakers out and use the holes as access ports. KeS >From: Smokerbros@aol.com >Reply-To: Smokerbros@aol.com >To: boyracer@uswest.net, autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:08:34 EDT > >In a message dated 8/16/00 9:19:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >boyracer@uswest.net writes: > ><< Recently I have noticed some people cutting holes in the interior of > their C4 and C5 corvettes to gain access to the rear shock adjustment. > The holes are not that big (about 1.0" diameter), instead of removing > the shock to make adjustments it sure saves a lot time . Is this > legal? If not, what will happen to them at Nationals? I know for a > fact a few of them will be going back and are top contenders. >> > >I had a letter from the SEB in '91, allowing such holes as "comfort and >convenience" items. Just to make sure, I wrote the same letter in '96, and >was told that they would be illegal, as they were a performance advantage, >and not C&C items. I then wrote asking if I added tweeters that just >happened to be over the top of the shocks, and allowed access to the shocks >when removed (many have a bayonet mount that allows them to be removed in >seconds), would that be legal under C&C? The answer was "yes". Later that >year ('97) after I installed my tweeters in the RX7, I was in Nationals >impound, and the impound inspectors let holes in interior panels go without >a >word. There was a 2nd Gen RX7 with the rear speakers (over the tops of the >shocks) missing completely. No penalties given. > >I guess this means: >1) write the SEB >2) do what they tell you >3) expect that others will not, and that they may not be penalized > >Charlie Davis > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:30:18 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: psalerno@ix.netcom.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:29:04 EDT Subject: Shock Access and the SEB As the makeup of Solo Events Boards changes, so do interpretations such as this one. I think it's worth writing letters requesting this allowance. There are certainly a lot of cars affected by this. I argued the point (unsuccessfully, I might add) at the SCAC level back in '96. One of my key points was that if I had to tear the interior apart every time I wanted to change shock settings, I was unlikely to change them from my autocross settings, and that was very uncomfortable on the street. So, IMHO, it IS a comfort item. Of course, the other guys on the SCAC at the time trailered their Stockers, so I was in a definite minority. I'm in Prepared now, so it doesn't matter to me. WRITE YOUR LETTERS!!!! CHD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:36:13 2000 From: Alek Tziortzis To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:34:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: carpet holes for shock access In 4th gen camaro Z28s (1993+) the carpeting in the rear hatch of the car is already cut(perforated) to open up to access the rear shocks. Its Shocking (pun intended) that GM actually made a provision such as this (they usually dont have this much foresight). Alex T. 98 1LE Fstock From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:39:12 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Pat Salerno'" , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:38:04 -0500 Subject: RE: shock access... Well Pat, for that particular application I would recommend a good horn tweeter. Good ones are capable of accurately reproducing musical tones at up to 140 dbA volume levels. With plenty of amplifier power on tap the tweeters should be able to easily penetrate your hard top and fill the passenger compartment with pleasing musical notes. Or, in your case you could quite possibly mount some auxillary dome-type lights in those holes so you could properly see to fold/unfold the top in low light situations. You should be able to easily tap into the factory wiring to connect these extra lights. If not, then you could just not permanantly screw the lights in place and leave the wires from the lights hanging loose in anticipation of having them professionally intalled and wired. Those would be my suggestions to you Boxster owners. Eric (tongue very firmly in cheek) Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- Does anyone know how to install small tweeters over the top of the shocks in my boxster. I'm sure you could install them in both my car as well as GHs . Maybe even a few other boxster owners...can we get a discount... So what if the tweeters would be under the hard cover for the convertible.....C & C.... You never know when you might be trapped under the top.....You got to have music. If this one becomes legal let me know.....I have two holes I would just love to drill in my Boxster. PatS 77AS..... From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:40:28 2000 From: "Brad Cox" To: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:38:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Shock Access and the SEB So I guess cutting a "tweeter hole" that just happens to be the right spot for a strut tower brace is sort of going over the line huh? -Brad (gonna miss my brace...) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:43:28 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Jkinser77@aol.com'" , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:41:57 -0500 Subject: RE: Any Good Go Kart Tracks in Topeka? Man oh man, it's been a while since you've been to KC, huh Jean. Sorry, but MGP closed some years ago. There is a kart track just north of Topeka Blvd on 57th (?) street (first stop light inside the 45 mph zone, before the railroad bridge, when coming from Forbes) but they're only open on weekends. We checked them out last year. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- We have gone to Malibu Grand Prix in KC where Liz Berger was manager...it was a ton of fun. Jean From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:44:41 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Mark Sirota'" , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:43:12 -0500 Subject: RE: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes And those Lotus owners were slapped on the backs of their hands and told to fix the problem before the 2000 Nationals. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- No, it's not. It's not the same thing at all. The ASP issue was that the shocks poked the hole itself, due to being placed close to the fiberglass, and lots of Lotus flex. It's standard wear and tear, much unlike the holes drilled in interior panels. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:51:49 2000 From: Ross Fortini To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Subject: Re: Nationals entries A little info regarding the timing of updates to the entry list on the web site. Perhaps this is widely known to those of you who scan the list hour-by-hour, year-after-year... I faxed our entries this past Monday, but they did not appear on the entry list yesterday (Wednesday). Nervous, I called Solo/Rally (;->), and Deselle told me that the Aug-16 date shown on the list is the date the web page is updated, NOT the date of the last entries received. Actually the current list contains entries received as of LAST FRIDAY, Aug-11. I was told they will update the list next Wednesday, containing the last "in time" entries as of tomorrow (including ours, I assume). The suspense is gonna kill us (more room for others, I guess). Ross Fortini ------------ Previously: GS Mitsu Eclipse GSX (For Sale--email me!) Currently: AM Corellian Pod Racer (aka three-wheeled beast) Eventually: CM Van Diemen (ARRIVING NEXT WEEK--WOO HOO!) _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:52:26 2000 From: Ross Fortini To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Nationals entries A little info regarding the timing of updates to the entry list on the web site. Perhaps this is widely known to those of you who scan the list hour-by-hour, year-after-year... I faxed our entries this past Monday, but they did not appear on the entry list yesterday (Wednesday). Nervous, I called Solo/Rally (;->), and Deselle told me that the Aug-16 date shown on the list is the date the web page is updated, NOT the date of the last entries received. Actually the current list contains entries received as of LAST FRIDAY, Aug-11. I was told they will update the list next Wednesday, containing the last "in time" entries as of tomorrow (including ours, I assume). The suspense is gonna kill us (more room for others, I guess). Ross Fortini ------------ Previously: GS Mitsu Eclipse GSX (For Sale--email me!) Currently: AM Corellian Pod Racer (aka three-wheeled beast) Eventually: CM Van Diemen (ARRIVING NEXT WEEK--WOO HOO!) _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:52:52 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:51:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > No, I don't know better than that! It's Impound's job to look for > "obvious illegalities" on Stock vehicles. At least it was when I was > Chief of Impound. Impound inspectors have filed the protest with the > PC on more than one occasion! Hmm. Looking at the 2000 Nationals Supps (which is where Impound is defined, it isn't in the rulebook) you may be right, but it's a little vague. See section F. It looks similar to last year's, but I haven't looked any further back. Key points -- clearly, impound is supposed to look for a few things on the top cars. On the other hand, "Impound will generally not act on information regarding suspected illegalities provided by competitors." And "The Chief of Impound will submit to the SEB a plan for conducting impound inspections." That suggests that they'll only look for what's in the plan. The Protest Committee, on the other hand, might find other things, as in 8.3.3 (page 73): "The PC shall have the authority to impose penalties upon finding any additional illegal item(s) during an inspection." So my personal interpretation is that Impound is not expected to file protests, even on the most obvious infractions, though they have the right to. In particular, they cannot be held responsible for NOT filing such a protest. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 13:05:13 2000 From: Gail/Sid deLeon To: Mark Sirota Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:07:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes Would this be called "Selective Enforcement" Sid Mark Sirota wrote: > Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > > No, I don't know better than that! It's Impound's job to look for > > "obvious illegalities" on Stock vehicles. At least it was when I was > > Chief of Impound. Impound inspectors have filed the protest with the > > PC on more than one occasion! > > Hmm. Looking at the 2000 Nationals Supps (which is where Impound is > defined, it isn't in the rulebook) you may be right, but it's a little > vague. See section F. It looks similar to last year's, but I haven't > looked any further back. > > Key points -- clearly, impound is supposed to look for a few things on > the top cars. On the other hand, "Impound will generally not act on > information regarding suspected illegalities provided by competitors." > And "The Chief of Impound will submit to the SEB a plan for conducting > impound inspections." That suggests that they'll only look for what's > in the plan. > > The Protest Committee, on the other hand, might find other things, as > in 8.3.3 (page 73): "The PC shall have the authority to impose > penalties upon finding any additional illegal item(s) during an > inspection." > > So my personal interpretation is that Impound is not expected to file > protests, even on the most obvious infractions, though they have the > right to. In particular, they cannot be held responsible for NOT > filing such a protest. > > Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 13:32:52 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org, raft321@fuse.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:31:36 EDT Subject: Re: Any Good Go Kart Tracks in Topeka? Yeah, I went the first year we were at Topeka...then never ventured back unless to travel through...I feel old now!!! LOL From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 13:43:12 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:44:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Nationals entries I faxed mine in this morning, and called two minutes later to make sure they received it, which that had. http://www.christoc.com/forums Christoc.com Racing Forums Chris -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 13:46:55 2000 From: miket To: , Scott Phelps Date: Thu, 17 Aug 00 14:42:55 -0500 Subject: RE: Nationals entries Scott, I agree. I think there are a number of "new" DSP cars that may be able to compete with the x1/9s, such as the Prelude, maybe the Neon, Integra GSR???. It will be another year or more before many show up though. I will be doing my best with my 1988 Grand Am with a Quad4 that I have been working on for a few year and had been running is ESP until it was moved to DSP this year. I hope some others out there buld up some other cars and give the X1/9s a run!!! Anyone out there have serious DSP plans for a Prelude or Neon??? Mike Taylor > >I think the fact that all the whiney VW guys got their "i" FSP class this year has a lot more to do with it. I know it decimated the ranks of DSP in the NER region. (10-12 FSP entrants on average and 1-3 in DSP this year) > >Makes for a slow year for DSP, as the current crop of cars that are classed there now may or may not exist in SP form for a year or two. Takes most people time to build a good SP car. > >Scott Phelps >88 Yugo GVX #81 EP - NER >(owner of 2.5 Fiat X1/9's, one destined for DP in a year or so) > > > >. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 14:07:17 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'miket'" , "'autox'" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:05:48 -0500 Subject: RE: Nationals entries Naw, a Neon is just plain too heavy to compete with the X/19s. Similar to trying to out-Honda the Hondas in CSP, it's hard to out-Fiat the Fiats in DSP. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- Anyone out there have serious DSP plans for a Prelude or Neon??? Mike Taylor From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 14:23:47 2000 From: miket To: autox Date: Thu, 17 Aug 00 15:20:16 -0500 Subject: DSP, was Nationals entries Really?? I'm not convinced. At the 1999 Natioanls, Mark Daddio was about 2.9 seconds off of the DSP winning X1/9. I know 2.9 seconds is alot, but I'd bet most or all of that time could be made up with a serious SP'd Neon - lower, sway bars, bigger rubber, more power, less weight, limited slip diff, etc... Mike Taylor >===== Original Message From "Linnhoff, Eric" ===== >Naw, a Neon is just plain too heavy to compete with the X/19s. Similar to >trying to out-Honda the Hondas in CSP, it's hard to out-Fiat the Fiats in >DSP. > >Eric Linnhoff in KC >1998 Dodge Neon R/T >#69 DS #13 TLS >eric10mm@qni.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 14:30:31 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'miket'" , "'autox'" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:28:44 -0500 Subject: RE: DSP, was Nationals entries Yeah but, as has been pointed out by many others, Mark ain't really human. I think he's Borg. What he can do, few others are able to duplicate. So, for a "normal" earthling, you'd better add 2 seconds to that 2.9 second figure. As a matter of fact, I think Mark won our "spec" class by at least 2 full seconds over the other top DS pilots. There was this guy in Texas, Kevin Daigle I believe, that tried to SP his Neon. I don't think his outcome was as good as he had anticipated though. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- Really?? I'm not convinced. At the 1999 Natioanls, Mark Daddio was about 2.9 seconds off of the DSP winning X1/9. I know 2.9 seconds is alot, but I'd bet most or all of that time could be made up with a serious SP'd Neon - lower, sway bars, bigger rubber, more power, less weight, limited slip diff, etc... Mike Taylor From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 14:25:04 2000 From: Mike Shields To: TeamDotNet , URList Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:23:58 -0600 Subject: Wendover Divisional information Information, and most importantly, the entry form for the Labor Day Weekend Wendover, UT Divisional is now online for your downloading pleasure. We're planning on two long and fast courses (fast in a good way people) to really use the site to it's fullest. For those of you who have come to ProSolo's there, there will definately be more variety to the turns than those events :^). The entry deadline for this event is August 31 and entries can be faxed in to avoid mailing deadlines. For local Utah Region members, you MUST be an SCCA member to participate in this event. Contact someone if you still need/want to become a member. Mike PS: Please only blame me (the webmaster) for the lateness of the information getting posted. Mike Shields Webmaster Utah Region SCCA '99 Arrest-Me-Red Miata Sport Pkg From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 14:29:06 2000 From: miket To: autox Date: Thu, 17 Aug 00 15:25:29 -0500 Subject: DSP, was Nationals entries Also, I think the X1/9s in SP trim weigh in at around 1900 lbs. I've heard that stock Nons are 1300 - 1400 lbs. Shed a hundred or so pounds with SP mods woul but you at 1200 - 1300 lbs. I would be surprised if the Fiats are making 100HP, and I would think the Neon should be capable of 180+ in SP trim. This gives the Neon a decided Power/Weight ratio. And I'd bet that the Neon is a Torque Monster at low RPMs compared to a X1/9. The Fiats should corner better, but the decided HP/weight ratio advantage may be able to make that up on some courses... Mike Taylor >===== Original Message From "Linnhoff, Eric" ===== >Naw, a Neon is just plain too heavy to compete with the X/19s. Similar to >trying to out-Honda the Hondas in CSP, it's hard to out-Fiat the Fiats in >DSP. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 14:38:05 2000 From: "Mike Neary" To: , miket Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:37:24 -0400 Subject: RE: Nationals entries I brought my GS-R out to 3 Pros this year and was unsuccesful in catching the Fiats. I do think that the GS-R can beat the Fiats but mine is not yet up to the task. Mark Allen was very close in Ft. Myers in his GS-R, but was eeked out. In Harrisburg Joe Graves put up an admirable fight in his Ford Escort; should he ever upgrade the nearly stock suspension I think he will have something for the Fiats as well. Mike In response to miket's message regarding RE: Nationals entries, dated 17 Aug 2000,: Scott, I agree. I think there are a number of "new" DSP cars that may be able to compete with the x1/9s, such as the Prelude, maybe the Neon, Integra GSR???. It will be another year or more before many show up though. I will be doing my best with my 1988 Grand Am with a Quad4 that I have been working on for a few year and had been running is ESP until it was moved to DSP this year. I hope some others out there buld up some other cars and give the X1/9s a run!!! Anyone out there have serious DSP plans for a Prelude or Neon??? Mike Taylor > >I think the fact that all the whiney VW guys got their "i" FSP class >this year has a lot more to do with it. I know it decimated the ranks of DSP in the NER region. (10-12 FSP entrants on average and 1-3 in DSP this year) > >Makes for a slow year for DSP, as the current crop of cars that are classed there now may or may not exist in SP form for a year or two. Takes most people time to build a good SP car. > >Scott Phelps >88 Yugo GVX #81 EP - NER >(owner of 2.5 Fiat X1/9's, one destined for DP in a year or so) > > > >. Mike Neary....what's it to ya? '97 Acura Integra GS-R, DSP http://www.qis.net/~zoomie http://www.autocrossers.org From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 14:54:45 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: "miket" , "autox" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:45:41 -0700 Subject: Re: DSP, was Nationals entries Ok for Daddio maybe, but us mere mortals? GRM tried it with a light sedan body a couple of years ago. Admittedly, they were trying to break into CSP, but it was not even close. I have doubts that it will ever be a serious DSP car either....unless Daddio got serious... Phil O. Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:20 PM Subject: DSP, was Nationals entries > Really?? I'm not convinced. At the 1999 Natioanls, Mark Daddio was about 2.9 > seconds off of the DSP winning X1/9. I know 2.9 seconds is alot, but I'd bet > most or all of that time could be made up with a serious SP'd Neon - lower, > sway bars, bigger rubber, more power, less weight, limited slip diff, etc... > > Mike Taylor > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 14:59:15 2000 From: Tom Maycock To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:57:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Aug. 27th event at Peru I noticed that Gary left off the subject line in his earlier post about the TSSCC event at Peru. So, for those of you who may have skipped that one, let me reiterate that Tri-State Sports Car Council is running an event at Grissom Aeroplex in Peru, IN on August 27th. Details are available at www.tsscc.org. No promises, but, depending on turnout, we really hope to provide 4, 5, maybe even 6 runs on a Nationals quality course on some of the best concrete around. We're also hosting a pizza party Saturday night (26th) at the Fairfield Inn in Kokomo for competitors who are coming to town early. So, join us for what should be a great event! Thanks, Tom Maycock From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 15:04:39 2000 From: "Donn Sundeen" To: "autox" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:06:19 -0400 Subject: Re: DSP, was Nationals entries Mike Taylor wrote >I've heard that stock Nons are 1300 - 1400 lbs> > I would think the Neon should be capable of 180+ in SP trim Does anyone know where I can find one of these 1300 lbs 180hp Neons. I would gladly trade my 2300 lb Miata for one. Donn (just being a smart ass) Sundeen From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 15:07:06 2000 From: miket To: autox Date: Thu, 17 Aug 00 16:03:11 -0500 Subject: RE: DSP, was Nationals entries Yup - typo. I really shoulda taken that typing class my Mom wanted we to take in High School, but then again that was B.C. (Before Computers). 1900 lb Fiat @ 135 HP = 14.1 lbs/hp 2250 lb Neon @ 190 HP = 11.8 lbs/hp Hard to believe a SP legal X1/9 can do 135 HP, but then again I donlt know anything about that powerplant. Can a SP Neon do 190 HP??? Not a HUGE advantage I guess, but I'd still bet that a 190HP Neon torque curve is MUCH fatter than and 135 HP Fiat torque curve. Mike Taylor > >Phil O. > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:20 PM >Subject: DSP, was Nationals entries > > >> Really?? I'm not convinced. At the 1999 Natioanls, Mark Daddio was about >2.9 >> seconds off of the DSP winning X1/9. I know 2.9 seconds is alot, but I'd >bet >> most or all of that time could be made up with a serious SP'd Neon - >lower, >> sway bars, bigger rubber, more power, less weight, limited slip diff, >etc... >> >> Mike Taylor >> >> > > >. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 15:26:28 2000 From: Nicholas Horton To: autox Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:08:55 -0400 Subject: RE: DSP, was Nationals entries According to carpoint.msn.com, 1999 ACRs Sedan - 2478 lbs Coupe - 2462 lbs Nick 98 Cavalier Z24 > -----Original Message----- > From: Donn Sundeen [mailto:dsundeen@mediaone.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 5:06 PM > To: autox > Subject: Re: DSP, was Nationals entries > > > Mike Taylor wrote > > >I've heard that stock Nons are 1300 - 1400 lbs> > > I would think the Neon should be capable of 180+ in SP trim > > Does anyone know where I can find one of these 1300 lbs 180hp > Neons. I would > gladly trade my 2300 lb Miata for one. > > Donn (just being a smart ass) Sundeen > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 15:37:22 2000 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ".Team.Net" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:20:17 -0500 Subject: Ignore this test Nothing here. Tolja to ignore it From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 15:43:45 2000 From: "Arthur Emerson" To: elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:40:31 GMT Subject: RE: Any Good Go Kart Tracks in Topeka? "Linnhoff, Eric" wrote: > >There is a kart track just north of Topeka Blvd on 57th (?) >street (first stop light inside the 45 mph zone, before the >railroad bridge, when coming from Forbes) but they're only >open on weekends. We checked them out last year. Your mission, Mr. Linnhoff, if you choose to accept it, is to contact said kart track and make sure that they are both open for Nationals and have an advertisement in the drivers' kits given out at registration. This message will self-destruct in five seconds..... -Arthur ("Anyone wanna buy a go-cart track in Topeka???" edition) ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 15:46:26 2000 From: "Jay Mitchell" To: "miket" , "autox" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:44:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Power Fantasies (was DSP, was Nationals entries) Mike said: > Hard to believe a SP legal X1/9 can do 135 HP, Can't. Try 100, maybe 110 tops. You're talkin 1500cc non-crossflow motor here. > but then again I donlt know > anything about that powerplant. Can a SP Neon do 190 HP??? Hahaha. That's right up there on the fantasy chart with those 190 hp ASP Elans. Let's use our heads here. With the stock camshaft, stock CR (plus what little additional you can get with legal head shaving), and the added displacement/CR from a .040" overbore, how much you gonna improve over stock? 1+ hp/cu.in is a reasonable stock for a modern OHC engine (which the X1/9 ain't), 1.5 hp/cu. in. is well into the realm of racing (i.e., definitely not SP legal) engines. An X1/9 displaces about 92 cu. in. 100 hp from one of those takes serious development. 135 hp (1.47 hp/cu. in. for the arithmetic-impaired) in a DSP Fignat is a wet dream. If you're gonna talk power, at least talk about realistic numbers. Jay From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 15:46:59 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: autox Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DSP, was Nationals entries Howdy, On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, miket wrote: > Really?? I'm not convinced. At the 1999 Natioanls, Mark Daddio was about 2.9 > seconds off of the DSP winning X1/9. I know 2.9 seconds is alot, but I'd bet > most or all of that time could be made up with a serious SP'd Neon - lower, > sway bars, bigger rubber, more power, less weight, limited slip diff, etc... Wasn't Dadio 2 seconds ahead of all the other neons? That's 5 seconds for a good driver and more for someone like me. Mark (wasn't there a guy in the Atlanta-ish area building an SP neon? Posted to the list some?) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 15:49:44 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'miket'" , "'autox'" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:14:26 -0500 Subject: RE: DSP, was Nationals entries There's more to it that just weight and power #s on paper. The Fiats are a LOT smaller and have a much lower center of gravity. Not to mention RWD to help out with the occasional throttle steering. 190 ponies may be a bit optimistic even for a legally maxed out SP Neon engine, but 150-160 hp at the wheels should be attainable with the mondo-expensive TEC-II intake and ignition system as well as an aftermarket computer. And yes, there'd be a lot more torque from the Neon 2 liter engine that from the Fiats. But again, more weight to move around as well. Repeat after me, "lighter is righter". Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- 1900 lb Fiat @ 135 HP = 14.1 lbs/hp 2250 lb Neon @ 190 HP = 11.8 lbs/hp Hard to believe a SP legal X1/9 can do 135 HP, but then again I donlt know anything about that powerplant. Can a SP Neon do 190 HP??? Not a HUGE advantage I guess, but I'd still bet that a 190HP Neon torque curve is MUCH fatter than and 135 HP Fiat torque curve. Mike Taylor From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 15:59:34 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:01:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap My own words: RJ>MS>> I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" issue for RJ>MS>> Nationals again. I will state this again like many did during the NT RJ>MS>> debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and don't make RJ>MS>> the cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting entries to RJ>MS>> those who finished well at a qualifier event so there is room for "the RJ>MS>> Top Drivers" has to be the most absurd concept I've heard in a long RJ>MS>> time. If anyone who wants to go doesn't delay until the last possible RJ>MS>> moment, it wouldn't be a problem A clip of Roger's Words: > And while I am against entry caps, and qualification, etc. > Whitworth's concept of EnterEarly is pretty 'absurd' in > itself. It is not a fix at all. > Putting words in someone's mouth is "absurd" or at least a little rude :) Did I say that this would fix the problem? Did I outline my EnterEarly plan as the fixall to entry problems and large attendance? NO My point is that because there is a limit, if you want to go, you had better enter now! If you wait, and don't get in, don't come crying that I, a last place driver took your spot because you have a chance to win a trophy (or championship) Personally, I don't think the "system" needs fixing at all. It is unfortunate that they had to impose a limit so late in the game. Besides that, the system works fine. Organizers set a limit, and if you want to go to their event, you register in time to make the cap! If you piddle around until the last day and don't make it, why should I give my spot for you. Dave (I wonder what would happen if I sent my 2001 Entry Today?) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 16:00:23 2000 From: miket To: autox Date: Thu, 17 Aug 00 16:56:41 -0500 Subject: RE: DSP, was Nationals entries I agree with Eric - you can't jusge a car's performance potential by power/weight numbers. But In this case we know that the Neon must make up lost cornering speed with acceleration. So, if we use a more relaistic number of 90 HP at the rear wheels for a Fiat, and 150 HP at the wheels for a Neon, we get: Fiat: 1900lbs/90 hp at wheels = 21.1 lbs/hp Neon: 2250lbs/150 hp at wheels = 15.3 lbs/hp Quite a large difference - both in absolute & percentage terms. Mike Taylor From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 16:05:36 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:05:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Nationals entries ----- Original Message ----- From: Linnhoff, Eric To: 'miket' ; 'autox' Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:05 PM Subject: RE: Nationals entries > Naw, a Neon is just plain too heavy to compete with the X/19s. Similar to > trying to out-Honda the Hondas in CSP, it's hard to out-Fiat the Fiats in > DSP. Are you sure? As I understand it, X1/9's are pretty heavy for their size. Not to mention a Neon has quite a bit more power, although allowable SP mods on the Fiat would probably narrow that gap quite a bit. Scot '91 CS Miata - maybe CSP cannon fodder in a couple years? From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 16:15:58 2000 From: "Scott Phelps" To: , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:18:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Power Fantasies (was DSP, was Nationals entries) >>> "Jay Mitchell" 08/17/00 05:44PM >>> Mike said: >> Hard to believe a SP legal X1/9 can do 135 HP, >Can't. Try 100, maybe 110 tops. You're talkin 1500cc >non-crossflow motor here. Not even close. I have a '78 Fiat X1/9 streetcar, with a built 1500 motor, including 10:1 compression, big cam, ported/polished head, twin 40mm webers, header, + custom exhaust, light flywheel, etc, etc..... And it dyno'ed (on a dynojet machine) at: 83.4 rwhp 82.5 rwft-lbs. see http://members.tripod.com/yugopwr for dyno sheet. A DSP 1500, with crappy cam, stock head, and stock 8.5:1 compression isn't making 100 flywheel horsepower. No way. No how. I wish it could. >An X1/9 displaces about 92 cu. in. 100 hp >from one of those takes serious development. 135 hp (1.47 hp/cu. >in. for the arithmetic-impaired) in a DSP Fignat is a wet dream. Yep. I figure with my steetcar, I'm around 100-108 flywheel HP. My motor would put me smack into D-mod, not even DP! A realistic number for a DSP Fiat with 1500 is ~80 horsepower or so. Scott Phelps 88 Yugo GVX #81 EP NER (had 5 X1/9's - down to 2.5) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 16:42:55 2000 From: Ronald Nottingham To: "Scott Meyers" , "TEAM.NET" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:46:21 -0400 Subject: Re: V-6 Aftermarket Intake Manifold Sources??? Scott Meyers asked: > While there are many sources for American alternate intake manifolds, I > am looking for a source(s) for the Nissan VG30E V-6 (1984-89) engine. > I'd like to look at both injection and carburetor models. > > Anyone have names or numbers for such dealers? > Sorry, Scott. I don't know of any such beast. I don't know how much power you're planning on making, but Nissan's upper and lower intake is pretty good. I know it can handle 300hp+ on a turbo engine. Best thing to do is use a throttle body from an S13 240sx DOHC engine, Extrude Hone the upper, and port match and polish the lower. On my VG30ET, the stock fuel system and turbo are holding me back from safely making any more power, and from what I've seen on the net, the stock intake isn't a restriction until the 450-500 flywheel hp level. This is just above the 400 flywheel hp limit of the stock rods. If that won't take care of it, you could always weld up a custom intake setup. I don't know if I would waste the time trying to find the right combo though, since it is a good design. Maybe a sheetmetal box upper (like the turbo 5.0 Mustang drag racers), mated to a polished stock lower intake. Wish I could have been of more help! Ron N. - Dalton, GA 84 300ZXT (GRM $2001 Challenger, ailing a little, but will be ready!) IZCC# 4779 TLS#30 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 17:11:59 2000 From: CJ Bienert To: Karl Rickert Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Graphics/lettering Sources I made the mistake of going to a local sign shop. Save yourself a lot of entry fee money and stop by a Hobby Lobby or similar craft store and pick up a sheet of refrigerator magnet material. I got a 1ft X 2ft sheet for around $12 after the sign shop charged me $6/ea for 4" letters. After that, it's just a matter of printing out some large letters/numbers from your computer to use as templates. So easy a 10 year old could do it. (and after seeing the job "Sign Pro" did of hacking them out, I wish I had hired a 10 year old! LOL) -CJ --- Karl Rickert wrote: > I'd like to get some lettering made up for > Nationals. Does anyone have a > good source for 4"+ lettering? Local sign shop, > Solotime, etc. > > Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net > > Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: > > Karl Rickert > 54 Barnes Ave > Chattahoochee, FL 32324 > > Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" > Y2K Team.net DTN > Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive > Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman > SEDiv Solo2 Registrar > CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider > EP/GT4 Datsun 510 > TLS #25 > TLS Webmeister > > ________________________________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 17:31:13 2000 From: "Greg" To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:20:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Any Good Go Kart Tracks in Topeka? >There is a kart track just north of Topeka Blvd on >57th (?) street (first > stop light inside the 45 mph zone, before the >railroad bridge, when coming > from Forbes) but they're only open on weekends I just started a new job in Topeka and I heard of a brand new kart track. I'll ask the guys at work tomorrow and find out exactly where it's at. I think it is around 21st and Wanamaker? Greg Reno Mazda MX-3 GS V6 #36 ES ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: RE: Any Good Go Kart Tracks in Topeka? > Man oh man, it's been a while since you've been to KC, huh Jean. Sorry, but > MGP closed some years ago. > > There is a kart track just north of Topeka Blvd on 57th (?) street (first > stop light inside the 45 mph zone, before the railroad bridge, when coming > from Forbes) but they're only open on weekends. We checked them out last > year. > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > 1998 Dodge Neon R/T > #69 DS #13 TLS > eric10mm@qni.com > > "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. > But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." > Mother Teresa > > > -----Original Message----- > We have gone to Malibu Grand Prix in KC where Liz Berger was manager...it > was > a ton of fun. > > > Jean From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 17:47:35 2000 From: Dennis Laczny To: "Karl Rickert" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:47:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Graphics/lettering Sources Karl, We have full graphics capability here at RACEAMERICA including a couple of vinyl cutters we use for graphics on some of our products and on magnetic backing materials. The graphics guys probably have some room to supply the lettering if you could detail what you are looking for (color, letters, graphics, size, fonts, etc.) and what quantity. Let me know and I'll check timeframe and pricing. Dennis Laczny RACEAMERICA Timing Systems http://www.raceamerica.com At 6:08 PM +0000 08/15/2000, Karl Rickert wrote: >I'd like to get some lettering made up for Nationals. Does anyone have a >good source for 4"+ lettering? Local sign shop, Solotime, etc. > >Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net > >Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: > >Karl Rickert >54 Barnes Ave >Chattahoochee, FL 32324 > >Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" >Y2K Team.net DTN >Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive >Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman >SEDiv Solo2 Registrar >CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider >EP/GT4 Datsun 510 >TLS #25 >TLS Webmeister > >________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 18:16:50 2000 From: Bob Forsberg To: miket Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: DSP, was Nationals entries mike i would like to find one of those 135hp x1/9 motors. from my experience 100hp at the crank is what a well setup dsp x1/9 will make. this equates to something like 75hp at the wheels... to revise your statement 1900 lb x1/9 100hp = 19 lbs/hp or 1900 lb x1/9 75hp = 25.3 lbs/hp and why is this car dominating dsp? bob dsp 19 fiat x1/9 On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, miket wrote: > Yup - typo. I really shoulda taken that typing class my Mom wanted we to take > in High School, but then again that was B.C. (Before Computers). > > 1900 lb Fiat @ 135 HP = 14.1 lbs/hp > 2250 lb Neon @ 190 HP = 11.8 lbs/hp > > Hard to believe a SP legal X1/9 can do 135 HP, but then again I donlt know > anything about that powerplant. Can a SP Neon do 190 HP??? > > Not a HUGE advantage I guess, but I'd still bet that a 190HP Neon torque curve > is MUCH fatter than and 135 HP Fiat torque curve. > > > Mike Taylor > > > > > > >Phil O. > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:20 PM > >Subject: DSP, was Nationals entries > > > > > >> Really?? I'm not convinced. At the 1999 Natioanls, Mark Daddio was about > >2.9 > >> seconds off of the DSP winning X1/9. I know 2.9 seconds is alot, but I'd > >bet > >> most or all of that time could be made up with a serious SP'd Neon - > >lower, > >> sway bars, bigger rubber, more power, less weight, limited slip diff, > >etc... > >> > >> Mike Taylor > >> > >> > > > > > >. > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 18:22:50 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Matt Murray" , "Teamdotnet" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:08:15 -0500 Subject: Re: DTN Funding Last Call! -----Original Message----- From: Matt Murray To: Teamdotnet Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:17 PM Subject: DTN Funding Last Call! >All: > >I have received exactly two checks (both from MAC owners, somehow this makes >sense :^) ). > >Phil Either It's "Ethier", and I have not owned a Mac for years. I belong to MAC, but that's different. :-) Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban, 1962 Triumph TR4 LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 18:24:39 2000 From: "Bill Fuhrmann" To: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:18:56 -0500 Subject: RE: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes > It's not the Chief of Impound's job to do anything about that. > It's the competitors' job to file a protest. >> > > No, I don't know better than that! It's Impound's job to look > for "obvious > illegalities" on Stock vehicles. At least it was when I was Chief of > Impound. Impound inspectors have filed the protest with the PC > on more than one occasion! Can you quote a rule or official statement that supports that statement? Just because they CAN doesn't mean that they MUST. My own opinion is that they SHOULDN'T protest anything that they have not been specifically told to inspect. They are not chartered to inspect everything and couldn't do it. Any time that they protest any item and can be shown to have "missed" any other item would give a person to claim that they were enforcing the rules selectively. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 18:25:57 2000 From: "boyracer" To: , , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:32:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes I don't know about C5 corvettes but on the C4 corvettes not only would the interior panel be cut but the frame has to be cut to access the shock. Now you wouldn't think that the frame needs to be cut to install a tweeter. To me that seems to be a automatic rule violation since we don't mount speakers in the frame. boyracer -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Stevens To: Smokerbros@aol.com ; boyracer@uswest.net ; autox@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes >It seems reasonable to allow people to cut holes for speakers. I don't see >that it's then necessary or reasonable to allow them to take the speakers >out and use the holes as access ports. > >KeS > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 18:42:12 2000 From: "avillasol" To: Bob Forsberg , miket Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:42:04 +0000 Subject: Re: DSP, was Nationals entries The X1/9 is dominating DSP because of a combination of things, mainly the car is lightweight and mid-engined, and Steve Hoelscher drives the wheels off of his car! He gets everything out of his car and his times have been awesome. At the 1998 Nationals, on the South course, there was a fairly long right-hander (180 degree) just prior to the finish. I watched a video of me and my co-driver, along with a few X1/9's, go through this turn. The Fiats not only did not lift for this turn, they were continually accelerating through most of it. That blew my mind because we HAD TO lift in this fast corner. Oh well, that's life. I love challenges so we'll be trying again this year! See ya next month Steve, Jim B., Jim S., and all the remaining DSPers!! =) Arie Villasol '72 DSP Komush Capri San Francisco Region SCCA >From: Bob Forsberg >To: miket >Cc: autox >Subject: RE: DSP, was Nationals entries >Date: Fri, Aug 18, 2000, 12:16 AM > > and why is this car dominating dsp? > > bob > dsp 19 fiat x1/9 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 18:43:36 2000 From: Scott Meyers To: Mark Sirota Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:39:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for Lotii Mark Sirota wrote: > Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > > > Can you spell "inconsistent?" > > No, it's not. It's not the same thing at all. The ASP issue was that > the shocks poked the hole itself, due to being placed close to the > fiberglass, and lots of Lotus flex. It's standard wear and tear, much > unlike the holes drilled in interior panels. So, if MH had drilled some holes for access *before* the shocks poked the holes it would be OK? Say, I think I saw him do just that :-) Scott Meyers From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 18:56:36 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net, BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:54:50 EDT Subject: BFG Team T/A SEDiv Event Results Posted The results from this past weekend's BFGoodrich Team T/A SEDiv Solo2 Championship Series event in Ozark, AL our now posted at the SEDiv Solo2 website in Adobe Acrobat PDF format. Just click the Event Results link next to the event name on the website homepage at: http://www.eec.com/sediv or access the results link page direct at: http://www.eec.com/sediv/2000/Results.html The event results are being printed and will be distributed in the mail to all entrants soon. Please be sure to thank our sponsors: BFGoodrich Team T/A - primary Series financial support. Evolution Performance Driving School - free on-site Lunch Socials. Edwards & Edwards Consulting - Rookie Program and Website provider. Thanks for all your help and support, Mark Sipe SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 19:12:08 2000 From: "Murray, Matthew D." To: mattm@optonline.net, autox@autox.team.net, pethier@isd.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:08:00 -0400 Subject: Re: DTN Funding Last Call! Denial is the first symptom. Your past catches up. Sorry about the spelling, I do know better, but the hands weren't following the brain. Matt -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- Subject: DTN Funding Last Call! >All: > > I have received exactly two checks (both from MAC owners, somehow this > makes sense :^) ). > >Phil Either It's "Ethier", and I have not owned a Mac for years. I belong to MAC, but that's different. :-) Phil Ethier 1962 Triumph TR4 LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 19:19:49 2000 From: "Steve Hoelscher" To: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:19:15 -0500 Subject: RE: Power Fantasies (was DSP, was Nationals entries) I found this thread in my e-mail, forwarded by someone on the list. After I stopped laughing, I decided it was time to squish some of the myths on this list. >>> "Jay Mitchell" 08/17/00 05:44PM >>> Mike said: >> Hard to believe a SP legal X1/9 can do 135 HP, >Can't. Try 100, maybe 110 tops. You're talkin 1500cc >non-crossflow motor here. All (repeat: All) of the horsepower numbers I have seen quoted in this thread are way over the horsepower my car makes. I have spent a lot of time and money on the dyno looking for an additional pony or two and they are hard to come by. No, I won't quote any numbers for my car here, but the factory quoted horsepower rating for a stock 1500cc FI X1/9 was 75 HP. If anyone out there is actually making 100 crankshaft horsepower with their DSP X1/9, it won't survive impound. As for weight; at Topeka last fall most of the trophy winning SP cars were weighed by the Solo Board in impound. My car weighed 1925 pounds. It was the lightest of the X1/9s weighed. If you look at the numbers, stock horsepower for an X1/9 is 75, stock horsepower for a Neon is 150. You do the math. Yes the X1/9 has a lower center of gravity, but not A LOT lower. Yes, the X1/9 is lighter, but no A LOT lighter. However, the Neon has A LOT more horsepower (assuming you consider double, a lot). I have not yet seen a well prepared, well driven DSP Neon. When I do, I expect it will be a threat to win. Steve Hoelscher From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 19:21:41 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: stuartcmod@yahoo.com, ggodula@ford.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:20:29 EDT Subject: Re: Who Will Win??? In a message dated 8/17/00 10:58:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, stuartcmod@yahoo.com writes: << There are probably a few others possibles. I am sure we will all be anxious for the outcome of this one. See ya'll at Topeka. Stuart >> OK Stuart, who are they(The possibles)?????? Now lets go one step further. Who is the CM "Dark horse"???? for this years Nationals???? The guy who might come up and bite everyone???? Last year SportsCar called Gary Godula the "Dark horse" this year they didn't say. So anyone have any ideas? I see several names that I've never seen run before in person or even heard their name??? Mike(Just gonna get in the car and drive and hope for the best)B. 99cm From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 19:42:44 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Murray, Matthew D." , , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:47:17 -0500 Subject: Re: DTN Funding Last Call! >Denial is the first symptom. Your past catches up. > >Sorry about the spelling, I do know better, but the hands weren't following >the brain. Heck, I thought you were going to blame the spell-checker. Phil "Call me Etheir, Either, or Hickey, but not late-for-dinner" Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban, 1962 Triumph TR4 LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 20:28:00 2000 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Dave Whitworth" , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:25:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap Now as I understand it, the cap only because necessary because projections of the total entry based on entries to date, compared to past years, shows a total entry soaring into the 1400 range! Yow! And they realized that while they could handle 1000, even 1200, 1400 would tax the event beyond imagination. Or more precisely, it would tax the event beyond what they had prepared to have for 2000. With the experience 2000 brings, possibly they may present a different setup for 2001. Six-day nationals perhaps? Nationals has always been a "y'all come" event and all the better for that. The response to "1000 in 2000" is surprisingly strong. A 25% increase would be amazing but they could handle that, and expected to be able to do so but not really believing they'd have THAT many. A 50% increase is totally outside the realm of expectations. Hence the cap. I believe it's a one-time deal, folks. (and my guess is they won't reach it. But they might pass 1100. But don't plan on that if you really want to go ... get your entry in yesterday.) --Rocky -----Original Message----- From: Dave Whitworth To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap >My own words: > >RJ>MS>> I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" issue for >RJ>MS>> Nationals again. I will state this again like many did during the >NT >RJ>MS>> debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and don't >make >RJ>MS>> the cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting entries to >RJ>MS>> those who finished well at a qualifier event so there is room for >"the >RJ>MS>> Top Drivers" has to be the most absurd concept I've heard in a long >RJ>MS>> time. If anyone who wants to go doesn't delay until the last >possible >RJ>MS>> moment, it wouldn't be a problem > >A clip of Roger's Words: > >> And while I am against entry caps, and qualification, etc. >> Whitworth's concept of EnterEarly is pretty 'absurd' in >> itself. It is not a fix at all. >> > >Putting words in someone's mouth is "absurd" or at least a little rude :) > >Did I say that this would fix the problem? Did I outline my EnterEarly plan >as the fixall to entry problems and large attendance? NO > >My point is that because there is a limit, if you want to go, you had better >enter now! If you wait, and don't get in, don't come crying that I, a last >place driver took your spot because you have a chance to win a trophy (or >championship) > >Personally, I don't think the "system" needs fixing at all. It is >unfortunate that they had to impose a limit so late in the game. Besides >that, the system works fine. Organizers set a limit, and if you want to go >to their event, you register in time to make the cap! If you piddle around >until the last day and don't make it, why should I give my spot for you. > >Dave (I wonder what would happen if I sent my 2001 Entry Today?) > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 20:34:35 2000 From: Priebe17@gateway.net To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:33:18 EDT Subject: STS/ Subarus Thanks for the notice, but personally I would still pick Erik to win STS. >From results he looks like he has a well prepped car and is driving it very well! Personally I am going to Nats to see everyone and have a few beers!!!! As far as 2.5RS's in general, it is not a good pro solo car just because it launches, it gets off the turns! I was trying to floor it at the apex and let the drive train do all the work. As the front tires push harder the more RWD you get. Pretty tuff set up. Hey you need something to even out my 1000 lb weight deficit to the Civics!! Oh for those of you who have missed "Laughing Boy" Matt Dahn, I dragged him out of his 3 year solo retirement!!! He will be my co-driver if he ever registers before the event!!! And yes I will be the owner of a car which has a co-driver. I have already taken enough shit about that in one weekend!!! :-) Gee you think I never owned a neon before!! :-) --Brian Priebe From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 20:35:25 2000 From: "Mike Taylor" To: "Steve Hoelscher" , Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:43:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Power Fantasies (was DSP, was Nationals entries) Great!!! Now let's see some serious SP Neons, Preludes, etc and make this a fun class! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hoelscher" To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:19 PM Subject: RE: Power Fantasies (was DSP, was Nationals entries) > > I found this thread in my e-mail, forwarded by someone on the list. After I > stopped laughing, I decided it was time to squish some of the myths on this > list. > > > > >>> "Jay Mitchell" 08/17/00 05:44PM >>> > Mike said: > >> Hard to believe a SP legal X1/9 can do 135 HP, > > >Can't. Try 100, maybe 110 tops. You're talkin 1500cc > >non-crossflow motor here. > > All (repeat: All) of the horsepower numbers I have seen quoted in this > thread are way over the horsepower my car makes. I have spent a lot of time > and money on the dyno looking for an additional pony or two and they are > hard to come by. No, I won't quote any numbers for my car here, but the > factory quoted horsepower rating for a stock 1500cc FI X1/9 was 75 HP. If > anyone out there is actually making 100 crankshaft horsepower with their DSP > X1/9, it won't survive impound. > > As for weight; at Topeka last fall most of the trophy winning SP cars were > weighed by the Solo Board in impound. My car weighed 1925 pounds. It was > the lightest of the X1/9s weighed. > > If you look at the numbers, stock horsepower for an X1/9 is 75, stock > horsepower for a Neon is 150. You do the math. Yes the X1/9 has a lower > center of gravity, but not A LOT lower. Yes, the X1/9 is lighter, but no A > LOT lighter. However, the Neon has A LOT more horsepower (assuming you > consider double, a lot). > > I have not yet seen a well prepared, well driven DSP Neon. When I do, I > expect it will be a threat to win. > > Steve Hoelscher > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 20:49:04 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:47:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap You say that limiting Nationals entries to the top drivers is absurd. (I also don't like that method of managing entries.) I say that sending entries in early does not solve one thing - an equally absurd concept. It is that simple. I'm rude when I use the word, and you're not? Roger RJ>DA>My own words: RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" issue f RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> Nationals again. I will state this again like many did during th RJ>DA>NT RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and don't RJ>DA>make RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> the cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting entries RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> those who finished well at a qualifier event so there is room for RJ>DA>" RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> Top Drivers" has to be the most absurd concept I've heard in a lo RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> time. If anyone who wants to go doesn't delay until the last RJ>DA>possible RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> moment, it wouldn't be a problem RJ>DA>A clip of Roger's Words: RJ>DA>> And while I am against entry caps, and qualification, etc. RJ>DA>> Whitworth's concept of EnterEarly is pretty 'absurd' in RJ>DA>> itself. It is not a fix at all. RJ>DA>> RJ>DA>Putting words in someone's mouth is "absurd" or at least a little rude :) RJ>DA>Did I say that this would fix the problem? Did I outline my EnterEarly p RJ>DA>as the fixall to entry problems and large attendance? NO RJ>DA>My point is that because there is a limit, if you want to go, you had bet RJ>DA>enter now! If you wait, and don't get in, don't come crying that I, a la RJ>DA>place driver took your spot because you have a chance to win a trophy (or RJ>DA>championship) RJ>DA>Personally, I don't think the "system" needs fixing at all. It is RJ>DA>unfortunate that they had to impose a limit so late in the game. Besides RJ>DA>that, the system works fine. Organizers set a limit, and if you want to RJ>DA>to their event, you register in time to make the cap! If you piddle arou RJ>DA>until the last day and don't make it, why should I give my spot for you. RJ>DA>Dave (I wonder what would happen if I sent my 2001 Entry Today?) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 21:09:05 2000 From: washburn To: "Brandon C. Fetch" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:06:48 -0500 Subject: Re: DSP, was Nationals entries Brandon C. Fetch wrote: > > I've heard grumblings of a local DFW guy who can do a Neon DOHC engine to 160 w/o any non-stock modifications (ie still DS legal). W/o forced induction and nothing radical in the camming/porting area, 180 which would probably still be SP legal. > > Gotta get that guys name from Bud........Anyone have Bud Collins' e-mail address? Here ya go: bud63@mediaone.net But you can't use it until you tell me how someone can get a 30 hp increase in Stock, which does not allow *any* engine mods????????? Pat From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 21:11:31 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:10:26 EDT Subject: A Stock Ladies tire warmer wanted My Z3 2.8 coupe' needs a tire warmer for our primary A Stock Ladies driver, Debbi Eley. Vehicle is fully setup (legally) and *will* be a contender. Hurry up and email me before the entry cap is reached. Mark Sipe From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 21:20:04 2000 From: washburn To: washburn Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:17:38 -0500 Subject: Re:Oops! washburn wrote: > > Brandon C. Fetch wrote: > > > > I've heard grumblings of a local DFW guy who can do a Neon DOHC engine to 160 w/o any non-stock modifications (ie still DS legal). W/o forced induction and nothing radical in the camming/porting area, 180 which would probably still be SP legal. > > But you can't use it until you tell me how someone can get a 30 hp > increase in Stock, which does not allow *any* engine mods????????? Oops! Just caught the bad reading on my part, sorry! I read it as "SOHC", which would be a 30 hp difference, not the 10 hp from a DOHC. I would still like to hear what "do a Neon engine" means. Pat From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 21:26:08 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:32:19 -0400 Subject: FW: Power Fantasies (was DSP, was Nationals entries) Lets not count out the BMW 325, a well set up E30 with a E36 motor might be a bear to keep up with We have a local guy who half-heartedly set up his E36 for CSP now he is starting to do rather well in PAX and might be able to get it right Now here is a car that starts with ~190hp ~3000 lbs And as always is more in real life then on paper (BMW, duh) 15.7 lbs per hp Next topic: BMW's have always been referred to as greater then the sum of their parts Which in one time was true since what we were comparing them to was Under constructed and overrated American and to an extent the Japanese Now the Japanese still overrate the $#!T out of their cars. (Don't believe me? Show mw that 168HP civic SI again :) But now everyone is getting on a level Playing field and Japanese quality is almost up to German standards and American Quality has been making leaps and bounds in the last 15 years. As I once heard when asked about the Nissan Maxima and it's 240hp hurting sales of the BMW M3 Scott Doniniger (ex M brand manager) squeezed his thumb and forefinger together like Holding something really small and said: "YES but they are LITTLE Horses" Jeff Lloyd '96 Z3 1.9 with 138 big stinky horses that go to the Gym 4 times a week (M44 POWER!!!!!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike Taylor Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:43 PM To: Steve Hoelscher; autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Power Fantasies (was DSP, was Nationals entries) Great!!! Now let's see some serious SP Neons, Preludes, etc and make this a fun class! Mike From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 21:26:59 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:25:19 EDT Subject: Re: A Stock Ladies tire warmer wanted ps: no guys in Budweiser dresses allowed TeamZ3@aol.com writes: << My Z3 2.8 coupe' needs a tire warmer for our primary A Stock Ladies driver, Debbi Eley. Vehicle is fully setup (legally) and *will* be a contender. Hurry up and email me before the entry cap is reached. Mark Sipe >> From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 21:29:21 2000 From: Dick Rasmussen To: Scott Meyers , Mark Sirota Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:28:08 -0400 Subject: Re: FRONT (NOT Rear) Shock Access for Lotii At 05:39 PM 8/17/00 -0700, Scott Meyers wrote: >So, if MH had drilled some holes for access *before* the shocks poked the >holes it would be OK? > >Say, I think I saw him do just that :-) Wearing my "former Lotus owner hat":-) First of all, according the results for 1999, it was front, not rear, shocks. These are "A arm" front suspensions and the shocks are the "eyelet type" with horizontal bolts through the eyelet. i.e. no adjuster from the top. Since the protest committee findings mention rubber bushing flex as part of the cause, I suspect these are not the racing shocks with adjusters below the top eyelet (but I did not see them). On the Europas I've owned and seen, the clearance between the top of the eyelet and the bodywork, especially after the bushings compress, is essentially zero. I'm guessing that the Elans have the same situation. They do have the same front suspension layout. I suspect that the protestor was concerned that some illegal repositioning of the suspension was the reason for the holes. According to the protest committee, that was not the case. Dick Rasmussen CM 85 85 Van Diemen RF-85 Formula Ford From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 21:40:58 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:47:24 -0400 Subject: RE: A Stock Ladies tire warmer wanted Awww Shucks Jeff Lloyd 240 lbs of man Never to be seen in a Budweiser dress :) TLS "lucky" # 7 the original Z-pig pilot (turns much better left) Forget the money just give me the baby! I want my baby-back baby-back baby-back..... -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of TeamZ3@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:25 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: A Stock Ladies tire warmer wanted ps: no guys in Budweiser dresses allowed TeamZ3@aol.com writes: << My Z3 2.8 coupe' needs a tire warmer for our primary A Stock Ladies driver, Debbi Eley. Vehicle is fully setup (legally) and *will* be a contender. Hurry up and email me before the entry cap is reached. Mark Sipe >> From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 22:09:05 2000 From: Jeff Cashmore To: "team.net" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:09:04 -0500 Subject: Cendiv Solo 2 Divisional results http://www.spec-rx7.org/~cashmo/cendiv/2000/resultd.txt has results from last weekend in Peru, IN. -- Jeff Cashmore http://www.spec-rx7.org/~cashmo/wai.html = Wisconsin Autocrossers Inc http://www.spec-rx7.org = Spec Rx7 info From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 22:26:55 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: bfuhrman@isd.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:25:04 EDT Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for SS & BSP Corvettes In a message dated 8/17/00 5:27:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bfuhrman@isd.net writes: << Can you quote a rule or official statement that supports that statement? Just because they CAN doesn't mean that they MUST. >> Section 6.10, Page 67, 2000 National Solo 2000 rules: "During Impound, the following minimum procedures will be administered by the Chief of Impound or his representative(s), on all potential trophy-winning cars (as determined by the unofficial results): _Stock_and_Street_Prepared_Categories_ - Inspect for obvious illegalities (including tires not previously inspected for competition use in accordance with Section 13.3.I)." See also Section 5.5, page 64, regarding the duties of the Chief Technical Inspector. << My own opinion is that they SHOULDN'T protest anything that they have not been specifically told to inspect. They are not chartered to inspect everything and couldn't do it. >> Not everything, just obvious illegalities. The holes drilled in inner panels (at least on 1st Gen RX7's) or missing speakers above the shock adjustment are pretty damned obvious. << Any time that they protest any item and can be shown to have "missed" any other item would give a person to claim that they were enforcing the rules selectively. >> Oh, please... From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 22:35:25 2000 From: Paul Cezanne To: "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:35:01 -0400 Subject: Re: DTN Funding Last Call! > >It's "Ethier", and I have not owned a Mac for years. I belong to MAC, but >that's different. >:-) Don't worry Phil, I have enoughs macs for both of us. 7 at last count I think, but that's counting the 2 dead ones. Like any good redneck geek I have some up on blocks in the backyard. What I can't figure out is how I wound up with FIVE Apple LaserWriter II chassis in the house, only of of which works. I mean, last month I had one, it broke, then 4 more showed up. Do they breed or something? pZ -- Paul Cezanne (formerly Czarnecki) Please consider buying my wife's new book, The Illusionist, (http://www.JeannetteAngell.com) and then help the UN feed the world for free @ http://www.TheHungerSite.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 23:00:09 2000 From: The Narbys To: "Team.Net" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:58:56 -0500 Subject: Re: DSP, was Nationals entries "Linnhoff, Eric" wrote: > There was this guy in Texas, Kevin Daigle I believe, that tried to SP his > Neon. I don't think his outcome was as good as he had anticipated though. Kevin is from Louisiana, the red-headed stepchild State in SOWDIV. Kevin and I built the suspension on that car together - adjustable shocks, excellent springs, PU bushings. He had Keiser aluminum wheels on it with Hoosiers, and would regularly trample all over my DP X1/9 in regional events. As far as PAX times went, he was blowing the rest of us into the weeds. The motor was awesome (with the programmable EFI) in between explosions. Well driven and fully developed, I think the car could have been very competitive. It was well on its way when Kevin had to change jobs and give up autocross. The car is for sale, contact me if you are seriously interested. I can get a list of mods and a price. Somebody with about $10-15K to spend could solve this whole debate next year. I have neither the money nor the interest in a FWD car, otherwise I would be all over it. Doug Narby From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 18 00:12:49 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "washburn" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:04:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Re:Oops! WARNING: The following information is for educational purposes only. We can not and do not condone such methods as they would be dishonest and subject the cheatin' SOB to repeated de-pantsings and wedgies. Oh come on Pat, you know. ;^) If'n a fella really wanted to, and had a ton of extra cash laying around (yeah, right), there are ways........ Parts bin blueprinting. Cam twisting, hell, individual lobe twisting for that matter. Carefully Extrude Honing the intake tracts, port matching them and then re-oxidizing the metal to look like it originally did from the factory. Rewriting the factory computer fuel and spark curves. Heck, one of the Mopar Performance computers would offer 10 HP and be completely undetectable (since they are simply factory computers with different maps) except for the rev limiter being raised to 7400 rpms, and how are you gonna test that one without a LOT of grumbling from the person whose car you're revving the piss out of the engine to find the rev limiter cutoff? Hot-rodding the injectors. Etc, etc, etc. Just talk to any former go-kart folks. They know all the cool ways to cheat in a "spec" class with rules similar to our Stock Class rules. Now, having said all that, do you think that a normal driver, such as myself, would ever be able to utilize that ill-gotten extra 10-12 HP?? Most likely not. But for a fella that was, say, only a tenth behind the class leader. Well................ Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >I would still like to hear what "do a Neon engine" means. > >Pat From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 18 00:29:29 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "The Narbys" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:21:01 -0500 Subject: Re: DSP, was Nationals entries EXPLOSIONS??? Do tell. I've neither the money nor the skills to properly test that theory, but it sounds feasible. And dammit, when will folks get their priorities straight? A job over a stress relieving hobby? Pah-lease. I work to live, not the other way around. If I didn't do expensive things like eat, like to wear clothes, eat, need shelter, eat, drink expensive beer and autocross I would definitely not be working 40+ hours a week. I'd be out in my Section 8 back yard, working on my welfare tan. ;^) Say, Welfare Racing. Kinda has a nice ring to it. Racing on the gubmint's dime. Hmmm.......I wonder. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >Kevin and I built the suspension on that car together - adjustable shocks, >excellent springs, PU bushings. He had Keiser aluminum wheels on it with >Hoosiers, and would regularly trample all over my DP X1/9 in regional events. As >far as PAX times went, he was blowing the rest of us into the weeds. The motor >was awesome (with the programmable EFI) in between explosions. Well driven and >fully developed, I think the car could have been very competitive. It was well >on its way when Kevin had to change jobs and give up autocross. The car is for >sale, contact me if you are seriously interested. I can get a list of mods and a >price. Somebody with about $10-15K to spend could solve this whole debate next >year. I have neither the money nor the interest in a FWD car, otherwise I would >be all over it. > >Doug Narby > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Fri Aug 18 01:04:02 2000 From: "Dan Hill" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:02:57 CDT Subject: Street Prep ? I am going to rebuild my engine this fall and was wondering about a couple of rules, if anyone cares to help me out. I have 10900 on my Eagle Talon and it burns a little oil and is down on compression a bit. Here is what I want to do, can I A lightned flywheel, which is OK I think Balance the crank shaft New valves seals OEM Rings, bearing and new gaskets OEM and here is the real question a 3 angle valve job???? If I can't do the valves and I don't want to mill the head at all, what can be done? Dan ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 01:44:08 2000 From: "Dennis G. Cipriany" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:17:14 -0400 Subject: Returned mail: User unknown >Subject: The 130 hp X 1/9 and 13-1400 pound Neon >Cc: stevehh@HiWaay.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >All: > >Boy, I'd like to see the 130 hp DSP X 1/9. > >As the owner of an '86 Fiat/BErtone X 1/9, DSP, EFI/DFI set up by Steve >Hoelscher, with spring set-up by him, modified manifold, etc. and his >co-driver for the Solo 2 Nationals from '95-2000, I think you're way off base. > >On a chassis dyno, the X he has is putting out 77-78 hp at the rear wheels. > >Understand, the X 1/9 is an 8 valve, non-crossflow SOHC engine, with very soft >cam timing, 8.5:1 compression and no tricks. Stock EFI X 1/9's in the USA >were 75 hp at the flywheel. Steve's done a hell of a lot to get slightly >above that AT THE WHEELS. > >A Prepared X 1/9, under the Prepared auspices might put out 130-135 for the >best engine, at the flywheel. Compare the horsepower, and yes, the X 1/9 is >down. The area especially down is Torque. The X 1/9 is a 1498cc motor, with >86.4mm bore, and 62mm stroke. This is a large improvment from the 1300 >motor, which is actually 1290cc, 86mm bore, 55mm stroke. That's 2.2 inches, >so the 1300's revved but didn't really do much. And only the '74 1300 is >slightly lighter than the later 1300 and the 1500's. At the Pittsburgh >National Tour in '96, my '78 1300 weighed 2117, with a roll bar and carbs. > >Steves 1500 is @ 1950 pounds, and the weight differences can be made up >with drivers. If you know Jean Kinzer, having her drive the car would >vastly improve the power to weight ratio, rather than having a large person >driving. Seat changes, and other items help to lighten it as well. > >1200-1300 pound Neons? Not likely, how about @2300 pound Neons?? [How >about it Neon folks?] Since the DOHC motor puts out 150 hp flywheel, yes, >170-180 would probably be possible in SP trim. Even though the weight >difference is not great, the Neon's got scads more torque and hp. It's not >however a mid engine, with the low polar moment of inertia or low center of >gravity. > >My 5 cents. > >Dennis G. Cipriany From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 02:05:15 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Jeff Lloyd" , , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:11:30 -0400 Subject: Going to school, and why scoobys are legal for STS Cant believe I forgot the link http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/lancia/58/technical_school/tech_index .htm Well here is the Mecca for auto Tech heads like myself There is a nice explanation on the different types of differentials and their effectiveness on torque limiting And there is a explanation of the Scooby diff that shows its workings and shows it's legality in STS Not to mention one of the best explanation of valve timing vs. lift (or BMW VANOS vs. HONDA VTEC) Jeff Lloyd '96 BMW Z3 1.9 No VANOS but the last of the "pure BMW motors" --------------------------------------------------------------------- Community email addresses: Post message: phax@onelist.com Subscribe: phax-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: phax-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: phax-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/phax From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 02:53:09 2000 From: "Jay Mitchell" To: "Dick Rasmussen" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:55:06 -0500 Subject: Re: FRONT (NOT Rear) Shock Access for Lotii Dick Rasmussen wrote: >On the Europas I've owned and seen, the clearance between the top of the >eyelet and the bodywork, especially after the bushings compress, is >essentially zero. On Europas, it's actually the chassis that the shock will rub against if the bushing compresses sufficiently. An Elan will probably do the same thing. If the fiberglass wound up being penetrated, it would have to be the frame sheetmetal that went through, not the shock bushing. A Europa's chassis is stiff enough in this area that such an occurrence would be very unlikely (and very scary). Jay "got shiny spots on my chassis but no holes in the fiberglass" Mitchell From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 05:37:21 2000 From: "Mike Healy" To: "Jeff Lloyd" , "autox" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:30:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Power Fantasies (was DSP, was Nationals entries) Little horsies or not, when did a Maxima ever have 240 of 'em? Or are these Canadian ponies? Mike "Are There More Numbers Geeks in Baseball or Motorsports?" Healy -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lloyd To: Autox@Autox. Team. Net Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:26 PM Subject: FW: Power Fantasies (was DSP, was Nationals entries) >As I once heard when asked about the Nissan Maxima and it's 240hp hurting >sales of the BMW >M3 Scott Doniniger (ex M brand manager) squeezed his thumb and forefinger >together like >Holding something really small and said: > >"YES but they are LITTLE Horses" From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 06:12:27 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: autox mailing list Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DSP, was Nationals entries Howdy, On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, washburn wrote: > But you can't use it until you tell me how someone can get a 30 hp > increase in Stock, which does not allow *any* engine mods????????? K&N and wires man! Don't you read the ads? :-) Mark (actually, it'd be interesting to see what you could legally get with a neon motor doing serious parts-bin machining. I don't think it'd be another 30hp, but I bet you could get 10 or 15) From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 06:13:05 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: "washburn" , "Brandon C. Fetch" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:40:27 -0700 Subject: Re: DSP, was Nationals entries MY apologies for the X1 9 claim of 130 plus hp in DSP trim. I was thinking about a DP car. I remember the former owner of a particular DP car telling me the engine made 130 plus hp...Of course, he WAS trying to sell it at the time... Also, I knew the same folks that Bud knew in Dallas, and the only one we knew who could make more hp from an ACR was NOT legally obtained. This guy works for an area Dodge dealer, was great with alignments, but stretched the limits of legality in terms of engine/electronic mods for stock class... Phil O. ----- Original Message ----- From: washburn To: Brandon C. Fetch Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: Re: DSP, was Nationals entries > Brandon C. Fetch wrote: > > > > I've heard grumblings of a local DFW guy who can do a Neon DOHC engine to 160 w/o any non-stock modifications (ie still DS legal). W/o forced induction and nothing radical in the camming/porting area, 180 which would probably still be SP legal. > > > > Gotta get that guys name from Bud........Anyone have Bud Collins' e-mail address? > > Here ya go: > > bud63@mediaone.net > > But you can't use it until you tell me how someone can get a 30 hp > increase in Stock, which does not allow *any* engine mods????????? > > Pat > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 06:15:24 2000 From: Dick Rasmussen To: "Jay Mitchell" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:14:16 -0400 Subject: Re: FRONT (NOT Rear) Shock Access for Lotii At 03:55 AM 8/18/00 -0500, Jay Mitchell wrote: Jay is correct. I relied on obviously fading memories. I should have checked my facts. Sometimes "trying to help" just confuses matters more:-) Dick >Dick Rasmussen wrote: > >>On the Europas I've owned and seen, the clearance between the >top of the >>eyelet and the bodywork, especially after the bushings compress, >is >>essentially zero. > >On Europas, it's actually the chassis that the shock will rub >against if the bushing compresses sufficiently. An Elan will >probably do the same thing. If the fiberglass wound up being >penetrated, it would have to be the frame sheetmetal that went >through, not the shock bushing. A Europa's chassis is stiff >enough in this area that such an occurrence would be very >unlikely (and very scary). > >Jay "got shiny spots on my chassis but no holes in the >fiberglass" Mitchell > > > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 06:22:57 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: "Paul Cezanne" , "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:26:04 -0500 Subject: Re: DTN Funding Last Call! If they had not switched over at my job, I never would have bought a goddam DOSbox. I'm just not smart enough to ride both horses. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Cezanne To: Team.Net Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:36 PM Subject: Re: DTN Funding Last Call! >> >>It's "Ethier", and I have not owned a Mac for years. I belong to MAC, but >>that's different. >>:-) > >Don't worry Phil, I have enoughs macs for both of us. 7 at last >count I think, but that's counting the 2 dead ones. Like any good >redneck geek I have some up on blocks in the backyard. What I can't >figure out is how I wound up with FIVE Apple LaserWriter II chassis >in the house, only of of which works. I mean, last month I had one, >it broke, then 4 more showed up. Do they breed or something? > >pZ -- Paul Cezanne (formerly Czarnecki) > >Please consider buying my wife's new book, The Illusionist, >(http://www.JeannetteAngell.com) and then help the UN feed the world >for free @ http://www.TheHungerSite.com From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 06:47:34 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:48:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap Please refrain from taking everything so literally. Quote: > RJ>DA>Putting words in someone's mouth is "absurd" or at least a little rude :) Please note the "smiley" at the end of the sentence. This is meant to inflect a happy tone to the sentence, actually sarcasm in this case. It wasn't meant as a personal insult or anything like that! I'm sorry that you interpreted my comments incorrectly, it wasn't my intention! Dave (Who has apparently made the Great Roger Johnson - Ohio mad at me :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap > > You say that limiting Nationals entries to the top drivers is absurd. > (I also don't like that method of managing entries.) > > I say that sending entries in early does not solve one thing - an > equally absurd concept. > > It is that simple. > > I'm rude when I use the word, and you're not? > > > Roger > > > > RJ>DA>My own words: > > RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" issue f > RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> Nationals again. I will state this again like many did during th > RJ>DA>NT > RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and don't > RJ>DA>make > RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> the cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting entries > RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> those who finished well at a qualifier event so there is room for > RJ>DA>" > RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> Top Drivers" has to be the most absurd concept I've heard in a lo > RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> time. If anyone who wants to go doesn't delay until the last > RJ>DA>possible > RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> moment, it wouldn't be a problem > > RJ>DA>A clip of Roger's Words: > > RJ>DA>> And while I am against entry caps, and qualification, etc. > RJ>DA>> Whitworth's concept of EnterEarly is pretty 'absurd' in > RJ>DA>> itself. It is not a fix at all. > RJ>DA>> > > RJ>DA>Putting words in someone's mouth is "absurd" or at least a little rude :) > > RJ>DA>Did I say that this would fix the problem? Did I outline my EnterEarly p > RJ>DA>as the fixall to entry problems and large attendance? NO > > RJ>DA>My point is that because there is a limit, if you want to go, you had bet > RJ>DA>enter now! If you wait, and don't get in, don't come crying that I, a la > RJ>DA>place driver took your spot because you have a chance to win a trophy (or > RJ>DA>championship) > > RJ>DA>Personally, I don't think the "system" needs fixing at all. It is > RJ>DA>unfortunate that they had to impose a limit so late in the game. Besides > RJ>DA>that, the system works fine. Organizers set a limit, and if you want to > RJ>DA>to their event, you register in time to make the cap! If you piddle arou > RJ>DA>until the last day and don't make it, why should I give my spot for you. > > RJ>DA>Dave (I wonder what would happen if I sent my 2001 Entry Today?) > > > > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 07:01:52 2000 From: "Kent Rafferty" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:45:33 -0400 Subject: Boxter S? was BFG Team T/A SEDiv Event Results Posted Was Rob Falkner driving a Boxter S in SS? The results show him solidly beating SS and AS. I'm still amazed there aren't more Boxter S's running. Kent Rafferty > The results from this past weekend's BFGoodrich Team T/A SEDiv Solo2 > Championship Series event in Ozark, AL our now posted at the SEDiv Solo2 > website in Adobe Acrobat PDF format. Just click the Event Results link next > to the event name on the website homepage at: > > http://www.eec.com/sediv > > or access the results link page direct at: > > http://www.eec.com/sediv/2000/Results.html > > The event results are being printed and will be distributed in the mail to > all entrants soon. Please be sure to thank our sponsors: > > BFGoodrich Team T/A - primary Series financial support. > Evolution Performance Driving School - free on-site Lunch Socials. > Edwards & Edwards Consulting - Rookie Program and Website provider. > > Thanks for all your help and support, > > Mark Sipe > SEDiv Solo2 Steward > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 07:13:30 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:13:45 -0400 Subject: Can't we all get along? (Team.net Alternative) Are you sick of getting flame messages in your email box? Sick of having to sort through 100s of emails a week? Then come to CRF http://www.christoc.com/forums/ Your online place for racing! It's a racing discussion board people. I still use Team.net everyday, but I have created another means to getting your questions answered. You can post under specific topics, narrowing down your search, and weeding out all the BS that travels through this list! This is not a shot at Team.net, I find it useful sometimes, it is just another means to get your fix. -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 07:26:00 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'autox'" , "'neon'" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:25:05 -0500 Subject: need tires Howdy all. Well, it looks like I'll wear out a perfectly good set of Dunlop D60s in just about 18 months and I never even autocrossed on them. Hmm, wacky alignments seettings and having fun on twisty streets. Go figure. ;^) Of course this means that I'll need some new tires to make it through this winter. I need some recommendations for a good all season (yes, snow too) performance tire that's not too expensive. Any ideas folks? I've always been pleased with the Dunlop D60s but am ready to try something else. I'm looking for something in a 195/60-14 or 205/60-14 size. And yes, I will most likely purchase them from the Tirerack. Thanks in advance folks. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 07:45:39 2000 From: "Otto Crosser" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:43:59 EDT Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) So can somebody please explain in great detail why these holes are such a performance advantage? Is it the 2 oz. of weight savings? The structural weakening of the car? I'm sick of hearing about all these protests over microscopic technicalities. Hasn't anyone heard of sportsmanship these days? Otto >From: Scott Meyers >Reply-To: Scott Meyers >To: Mark Sirota >CC: Smokerbros@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for Lotii >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:39:19 -0700 > >Mark Sirota wrote: > > > Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Can you spell "inconsistent?" > > > > No, it's not. It's not the same thing at all. The ASP issue was that > > the shocks poked the hole itself, due to being placed close to the > > fiberglass, and lots of Lotus flex. It's standard wear and tear, much > > unlike the holes drilled in interior panels. > >So, if MH had drilled some holes for access *before* the shocks poked the >holes it would be OK? > >Say, I think I saw him do just that :-) > >Scott Meyers > > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 07:45:45 2000 From: "Otto Crosser" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:44:09 EDT Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) So can somebody please explain in great detail why these holes are such a performance advantage? Is it the 2 oz. of weight savings? The structural weakening of the car? I'm sick of hearing about all these protests over microscopic technicalities. Hasn't anyone heard of sportsmanship these days? Otto >From: Scott Meyers >Reply-To: Scott Meyers >To: Mark Sirota >CC: Smokerbros@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for Lotii >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:39:19 -0700 > >Mark Sirota wrote: > > > Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Can you spell "inconsistent?" > > > > No, it's not. It's not the same thing at all. The ASP issue was that > > the shocks poked the hole itself, due to being placed close to the > > fiberglass, and lots of Lotus flex. It's standard wear and tear, much > > unlike the holes drilled in interior panels. > >So, if MH had drilled some holes for access *before* the shocks poked the >holes it would be OK? > >Say, I think I saw him do just that :-) > >Scott Meyers > > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 07:54:06 2000 From: Scot Zediker To: washburn , washburn Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re:Oops! ------Original Message------ From: washburn To: washburn Sent: August 18, 2000 3:17:38 AM GMT Subject: Re:Oops! > Oops! Just caught the bad reading on my part, sorry! I read > it as "SOHC", which would be a 30 hp difference, not the 10 hp > from a DOHC. I would still like to hear what "do a Neon > engine" means. Huh-huh-huh... he's gonna do a Neon engine... huh-huh... uhhhhhh-huh-huh-huh.... Scot '91 CS Miata - it, like, kicks @$$ and stuff, huh-huh, huh-huh-huh.... From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 08:00:45 2000 From: "HEYWARD WAGNER" To: "TEAM.NET" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:00:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Graphics/lettering Sources > for the record.... or norm for two color magnets for class and number (one > set for each side) is $40. If you want to go it alone, I will not try to > stop you, but I think our prices are competitive with the hourly wage > demanded by most 10 year olds. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Heyward K. Wagner > TEAM UNDERDOG RACING > Honda Civic Si - HS #48 > www.teamunderdog.com > IMPACT GRAPHICS > Custom Automotive Graphics - Numbers - Magnetics - Static Cling > 1-877-945-7446 > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: CJ Bienert > To: Karl Rickert > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:10 PM > Subject: Re: Graphics/lettering Sources > > > > I made the mistake of going to a local sign shop. > > Save yourself a lot of entry fee money and stop by a > > Hobby Lobby or similar craft store and pick up a sheet > > of refrigerator magnet material. I got a 1ft X 2ft > > sheet for around $12 after the sign shop charged me > > $6/ea for 4" letters. After that, it's just a matter > > of printing out some large letters/numbers from your > > computer to use as templates. So easy a 10 year old > > could do it. (and after seeing the job "Sign Pro" did > > of hacking them out, I wish I had hired a 10 year old! > > LOL) > > > > -CJ > > > > --- Karl Rickert wrote: > > > I'd like to get some lettering made up for > > > Nationals. Does anyone have a > > > good source for 4"+ lettering? Local sign shop, > > > Solotime, etc. > > > > > > Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: > > > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net > > > > > > Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: > > > > > > Karl Rickert > > > 54 Barnes Ave > > > Chattahoochee, FL 32324 > > > > > > Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" > > > Y2K Team.net DTN > > > Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive > > > Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman > > > SEDiv Solo2 Registrar > > > CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider > > > EP/GT4 Datsun 510 > > > TLS #25 > > > TLS Webmeister > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 08:06:31 2000 From: "Brad Cox" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:05:36 -0500 Subject: RE: DSP, was Nationals entries Seems to me it's basically a question of development. Guys like Steve H. have been working on their Fiat's for years. They've figured out what works and what doesn't, as well as learning to get EVERYTHING out of the car while on course. I think that a Neon, or a GSR developed to the same extent could be quite a competitor. Since the GSR's come loaded, there's a lot of weight that could be legally removed. With ALL the tweaks, it could probably come in around 2400 lbs (starts at 2600). IMO, a GSR might be the one to give the Fiats a run for their money. Under SP rules, you can basically turn a GSR into a Type-R, and even though the horsies are little, they sure can giddy-up. ;-) Integras are able to make good use of that super high power band because they're very "rowable" compared to a lot of other cars. Beef up the suspension some, and add the requisite 'CSP' tires to your 190hp "Type R look-alike", and I think we may be looking at another class shuffling. 8-) -Brad bench racer extraordinaire. 8) From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 08:26:25 2000 From: Eric Carman To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:26:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Who Will Win??? Did anyone else notice the caption under the picture of David Palmquist's picture? It says that a Miata driver in CSP has won on the ladies side, but not the open. What about Guy Ankeny in 1997? I do agree though that my pick for this season is David, even though I want to see a Honda do it again. ;) Eric From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 08:37:26 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:36:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap Great? Hmmmmmm. You must have missed seeing the S/S results from Topeka '99, Dave. R DA>Please refrain from taking everything so literally. DA>Quote: DA>> RJ>DA>Putting words in someone's mouth is "absurd" or at least a little DA>rude :) DA>Please note the "smiley" at the end of the sentence. This is meant to DA>inflect a happy tone to the sentence, actually sarcasm in this case. It DA>wasn't meant as a personal insult or anything like that! DA>I'm sorry that you interpreted my comments incorrectly, it wasn't my DA>intention! DA>Dave (Who has apparently made the Great Roger Johnson - Ohio mad at me :)) DA>----- Original Message ----- DA>From: DA>To: DA>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:47 PM DA>Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap DA>> DA>> You say that limiting Nationals entries to the top drivers is absurd. DA>> (I also don't like that method of managing entries.) DA>> DA>> I say that sending entries in early does not solve one thing - an DA>> equally absurd concept. DA>> DA>> It is that simple. DA>> DA>> I'm rude when I use the word, and you're not? DA>> DA>> DA>> Roger DA>> DA>> DA>> DA>> RJ>DA>My own words: DA>> DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" DA>issue f DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> Nationals again. I will state this again like many did DA>during th DA>> RJ>DA>NT DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and DA>don't DA>> RJ>DA>make DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> the cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting DA>entries DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> those who finished well at a qualifier event so there is DA>room for DA>> RJ>DA>" DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> Top Drivers" has to be the most absurd concept I've heard in DA>a lo DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> time. If anyone who wants to go doesn't delay until the DA>last DA>> RJ>DA>possible DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> moment, it wouldn't be a problem DA>> DA>> RJ>DA>A clip of Roger's Words: DA>> DA>> RJ>DA>> And while I am against entry caps, and qualification, etc. DA>> RJ>DA>> Whitworth's concept of EnterEarly is pretty 'absurd' in DA>> RJ>DA>> itself. It is not a fix at all. DA>> RJ>DA>> DA>> DA>> RJ>DA>Putting words in someone's mouth is "absurd" or at least a little DA>rude :) DA>> DA>> RJ>DA>Did I say that this would fix the problem? Did I outline my DA>EnterEarly p DA>> RJ>DA>as the fixall to entry problems and large attendance? NO DA>> DA>> RJ>DA>My point is that because there is a limit, if you want to go, you DA>had bet DA>> RJ>DA>enter now! If you wait, and don't get in, don't come crying that I, DA>a la DA>> RJ>DA>place driver took your spot because you have a chance to win a DA>trophy (or DA>> RJ>DA>championship) DA>> DA>> RJ>DA>Personally, I don't think the "system" needs fixing at all. It is DA>> RJ>DA>unfortunate that they had to impose a limit so late in the game. DA>Besides DA>> RJ>DA>that, the system works fine. Organizers set a limit, and if you DA>want to DA>> RJ>DA>to their event, you register in time to make the cap! If you piddle DA>arou DA>> RJ>DA>until the last day and don't make it, why should I give my spot for DA>you. DA>> DA>> RJ>DA>Dave (I wonder what would happen if I sent my 2001 Entry Today?) DA>> DA>> DA>> DA>> From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 08:43:57 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Phil Ethier" , "Paul Cezanne" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:43:26 -0400 Subject: Re: DTN Funding Last Call! See, I knew you where a Mac guy. C'mon Phil, say it loud, say it proud. . . Time to come out of the closet. Matt Murray Former Y2K DTN admin ************************************** Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 ************************************* mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Ethier" > If they had not switched over at my job, I never would have bought a goddam > DOSbox. I'm just not smart enough to ride both horses. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Cezanne > >Don't worry Phil, I have enoughs macs for both of us. 7 at last > >count I think, but that's counting the 2 dead ones. Like any good > >redneck geek I have some up on blocks in the backyard. What I can't > >figure out is how I wound up with FIVE Apple LaserWriter II chassis > >in the house, only of of which works. I mean, last month I had one, > >it broke, then 4 more showed up. Do they breed or something? > > > >pZ -- Paul Cezanne (formerly Czarnecki) From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 08:47:14 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:46:14 -0500 Subject: DSP Co-Drive Available? All this talk about DSP and the low entry level for Topeka this year reminds me. . . . . . . As of last week, there is a very competitive DSP entrant seeking a co-driver. This IS a car capable of beating the Hoelscher/Cipriany juggernaut. . . . . . Drop me a private note if you are interested. Roger Johnson (Great?) . . . . .King Howie better watch out. . . . . From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 08:52:09 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: , "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:53:10 -0700 Subject: Re:was Nationals Entry Cap Now:Roger Great? After being called the "Great Roger Johnson" Roger wiped the lanolin from his hands and said... > Great? Hmmmmmm. You must have missed seeing the S/S > results from Topeka '99, Dave. He was taking the handicap you were running with into consideration :-) And that's the nicest thing I'll ever say about Roger in public and admit to it! I'm still thinking about making the "Roger Johnson Joke Page". Contributions always welcome. ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 08:56:31 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:58:16 -0400 Subject: fued? Is there some sort of fued we should all know about going on here? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Ozinga Reply-To: Bill Ozinga Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:53:10 -0700 After being called the "Great Roger Johnson" Roger wiped the lanolin from his hands and said... > Great? Hmmmmmm. You must have missed seeing the S/S > results from Topeka '99, Dave. He was taking the handicap you were running with into consideration :-) And that's the nicest thing I'll ever say about Roger in public and admit to it! I'm still thinking about making the "Roger Johnson Joke Page". Contributions always welcome. ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 08:58:33 2000 From: Alan Pozner To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:56:39 -0400 Subject: Was Can't we all get along? (Team.net Alternative) Now The I list Christopher Hammond wrote: >>Are you sick of getting flame messages in your email box? Sick of having to sort through 100s of emails a >>week? ... >>This is not a shot at Team.net, I find it useful sometimes, it is just another means to get your fix. This is not the first time a new list has been created with the idea of filtering some of what the creator feels are less germaine topics. This is analogous to the class proliferation we see in SOLO II. Everyone wants things their way and so more classes/lists are created. In both cases the intention is noble. Unfortunately the results are not. Now I have to go to two lists for my info. Now their are fewer competitors in each class and I have to study more rules and newbies are more confused. This is just an observation and is not a slam of Christopher. Regards, Alan From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 08:59:30 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:58:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Go Karts Topeka Why is a guy from Connecticut doin' the leg work for somethin' out in the Land of Ahhhs? Here's the deal. The place listed below (after my sig) runs karts. 5hp beasts. They do not open the kart area until 1 PM. I'm going to call later today to see if we can secure an earlier opening time for those that wish to do it. Their normal charges are $5 for a single $6 for a double (kart rental?). $12 for three laps (cheaper than Baby Dolls) and $35 for a ten ticket book. They do not have a web site. I didn't get a clear response as to how long the track was, but it is not a figure eight (so I was told). How many of you would be interested in flogging karts Monday morning (Sept. 11)? Please respond ASAP, so I can put this together. Matt (Byron's head must be exploding to hear me organizing kart rides) Murray Former Y2K DTN admin ************************************** Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 ************************************* mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 12:23 AM Subject: Go Karts topeka Sports Center Golf Complex Inc 6545 Southwest 10th Avenue, Topeka, KS 66615 (785) 272-5522 From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 09:01:18 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Christopher Hammond" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:07:13 -0400 Subject: RE: fued? No bill just gets easily fired up, you would too if you had to stare at a MAC all day. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Christopher Hammond Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:58 AM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: fued? Is there some sort of fued we should all know about going on here? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bill Ozinga Reply-To: Bill Ozinga Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:53:10 -0700 After being called the "Great Roger Johnson" Roger wiped the lanolin from his hands and said... > Great? Hmmmmmm. You must have missed seeing the S/S > results from Topeka '99, Dave. He was taking the handicap you were running with into consideration :-) And that's the nicest thing I'll ever say about Roger in public and admit to it! I'm still thinking about making the "Roger Johnson Joke Page". Contributions always welcome. ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 09:01:27 2000 From: Jeffrey Blankenship To: "'Linnhoff, Eric'" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:59:19 -0500 Subject: RE: need tires > -----Original Message----- > From: Linnhoff, Eric [mailto:elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org] > > > I need some recommendations for a good all season (yes, snow too) > performance tire that's not too expensive. Any ideas folks? > I've always been pleased with the Dunlop D60s but am ready to try > something else. I'm looking for something in a 195/60-14 or > 205/60-14 size. As far as I know your best alternative is the BFG Comp T/A HR4-2. It should wear a bit longer but you might not like its dry performance and road feel as much as the Dunlop. I've had both. The rest of the really good tires aren't made in 14", which is a crying shame. FYI, half the reason I got a '91 MR2 is I can use all my neon rubber, but for the street I may buy 15" wheels so I would have a better choice of tires. Not to mention better looking wheels. --- Jeffrey D. Blankenship Senior Technical Consultant jblanken@amdocs.com Amdocs - ITDS - TRIS+ '91 MR2 Turbo, neon enthusiast #478 Champaign, IL, USA From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 09:04:04 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:03:02 -0500 Subject: fued? You gotta come to the Talent Show to find out. R CH>Is there some sort of fued we should all know about going on here? CH>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- CH>From: Bill Ozinga CH>Reply-To: Bill Ozinga CH>Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:53:10 -0700 CH>After being called the "Great Roger Johnson" Roger wiped the lanolin from CH>his hands and said... CH>> Great? Hmmmmmm. You must have missed seeing the S/S CH>> results from Topeka '99, Dave. CH>He was taking the handicap you were running with into consideration :-) CH>And that's the nicest thing I'll ever say about Roger in public and admit to CH>it! CH>I'm still thinking about making the "Roger Johnson Joke Page". Contributions CH>always welcome. CH>---------------------------------------- CH>Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com CH>Webmaster - The Tire Rack CH>http://www.tirerack.com CH>Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 CH>Order your tires online! CH>---------------------------------------- From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 09:05:03 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: Christopher Hammond , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:06:06 -0700 Subject: Re: fued? Christopher Hammond asked... > Is there some sort of fued we should all know about going on here? Not at all. Roger and I have disagreed on a subject or two, but that's perfectly normal for two fairly stubborn and opinionated people. Roger has made one of his greatest contributions to the sport by being everyones favorite target for a joke. He takes it well and it has contributed to his fame (greatness?) He's had more abuse thrown at him than just about anyone (except Clinton, maybe) and responds with a laugh. I assume you haven't heard too many Roger Johnson stories! Hmmm, there's the one that involves Davie Looman and an inflatable... ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 09:06:55 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:08:42 -0400 Subject: talent show? ok ok ok, I know I will get flamed for this.... but being a new guy... when is that talent show? who is in it? etc.....? -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 09:21:25 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:28:03 -0400 Subject: RE: need tires Well I really liked the quality and price of my continentals They are a German owned company but build all the tires right here in America And really sell a great tire for the price Check out http://www.tirerack.com/tires/conti/co_chv90.jsp they are only $40 in your 195/60/14 size also Kumho does make the wonderful ESCTA 712 in 185/55/14 which is bigger then the numbers suggest on a 6" rim it is 7.60" wide and 22" tall and they make the awesome 711 in a 185/65/14 195/65/14 195/60/14 185/55/14 now for some strange reason Tire rack decided NOT to carry the 14" tires or the 711but if you check kumho's website Or call 1800-hi-kumho you can find a dealer near you or mail order that can help.. I know this only because a friend of mine who is a kumho nut wanted a set of 712 for his miata; I called kumho and to my surprise was told These sizes do exist!!! These should be all price conscious decisions. Jeff Lloyd PS. Got My 712's yesterday Great service once again by tire rack next day delivery and nice people to deal with... -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linnhoff, Eric Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 9:25 AM To: 'autox'; 'neon' Subject: need tires Howdy all. Well, it looks like I'll wear out a perfectly good set of Dunlop D60s in just about 18 months and I never even autocrossed on them. Hmm, wacky alignments seettings and having fun on twisty streets. Go figure. ;^) Of course this means that I'll need some new tires to make it through this winter. I need some recommendations for a good all season (yes, snow too) performance tire that's not too expensive. Any ideas folks? I've always been pleased with the Dunlop D60s but am ready to try something else. I'm looking for something in a 195/60-14 or 205/60-14 size. And yes, I will most likely purchase them from the Tirerack. Thanks in advance folks. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 09:36:05 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:42:34 -0400 Subject: RE: need tires Sorry I missed the "Snow" part Well In kumho the ECSTA HP4 is supposed to be a decent all around tire And I know the contential Contetouring ch95 is awesome!!! But as always nothing can touch a set of stellies and Blizzacks or hakka-1's or 10's -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linnhoff, Eric Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 9:25 AM To: 'autox'; 'neon' Subject: need tires Howdy all. Well, it looks like I'll wear out a perfectly good set of Dunlop D60s in just about 18 months and I never even autocrossed on them. Hmm, wacky alignments seettings and having fun on twisty streets. Go figure. ;^) Of course this means that I'll need some new tires to make it through this winter. I need some recommendations for a good all season (yes, snow too) performance tire that's not too expensive. Any ideas folks? I've always been pleased with the Dunlop D60s but am ready to try something else. I'm looking for something in a 195/60-14 or 205/60-14 size. And yes, I will most likely purchase them from the Tirerack. Thanks in advance folks. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 09:43:19 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: TeamZ3@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:41:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Solo2Atlanta] BFG Team T/A SEDiv Event Results Posted Hey Mark, I went to the website but couldn't find any results for the SP classes. On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:55:33 -0700 TeamZ3@aol.com writes: > The results from this past weekend's BFGoodrich Team T/A SEDiv Solo2 > Championship Series event in Ozark, AL our now posted at the SEDiv > Solo2 > website in Adobe Acrobat PDF format. Just click the Event Results > link next > to the event name on the website homepage at: > > http://www.eec.com/sediv > > or access the results link page direct at: > > http://www.eec.com/sediv/2000/Results.html > > The event results are being printed and will be distributed in the > mail to > all entrants soon. Please be sure to thank our sponsors: > > BFGoodrich Team T/A - primary Series financial support. > Evolution Performance Driving School - free on-site Lunch Socials. > Edwards & Edwards Consulting - Rookie Program and Website provider. > > Thanks for all your help and support, > > Mark Sipe > SEDiv Solo2 Steward > > To unsubscibe from this list send a blank email message to: > > ___________________________________________________________ > T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 09:49:01 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'autox'" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:47:54 -0500 Subject: RE: need tires Yeah, what's up with that Bill O.? Might you carry the other K street tires once the Kumho sales get better? Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- also Kumho does make the wonderful ESCTA 712 in 185/55/14 which is bigger then the numbers suggest on a 6" rim it is 7.60" wide and 22" tall now for some strange reason Tire rack decided NOT to carry the 14" tires or the 711but if you check kumho's website Or call 1800-hi-kumho you can find a dealer near you or mail order that can help.. From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 09:57:29 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'autox'" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:56:25 -0500 Subject: RE: need tires Yeah, the problem is that any more we only get one or two brief snows here in Kansas City and I could probably deal with even bald R tires for that short of a duration. 3 season tires are my biggest need with some capability in the snow. If the snow lasts any length of time I usually carry sand bags, a shovel, thick blankets, a 4 pack of Northern tissue paper and a box of Cheerios. ;^) So, I don't really need a set of steelies and true snow/ice tires. (Knock on wood.) But whatever tires I do get need to be able to at least go slowly through some snow. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- Sorry I missed the "Snow" part Well In kumho the ECSTA HP4 is supposed to be a decent all around tire And I know the contential Contetouring ch95 is awesome!!! But as always nothing can touch a set of stellies and Blizzacks or hakka-1's or 10's From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 10:07:30 2000 From: PbPied@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:06:08 EDT Subject: Cheatin' Was:DSP Neon Eric was talking Briggs karts here, folks.... In F125 we are ALLOWED to modify the engines extensively. I have read of European engines making in excess of 50 HP, although they are not legal in the U.S. Here, a really twisted up one can make 43 HP, but the power band is so high and skinny that 6 gears doesn't seem like enough. Not a good autocross motor at all. Alan Sheidler Running a STOCK (as in never been apart from the Honda factory) CR125. Even have the original jetting..... >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:04:31 -0500 >From: "Eric Linnhoff" >Just talk to any former go-kart folks. They know all the cool ways to cheat >in a "spec" class with rules similar to our Stock Class rules. From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 10:16:54 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:23:41 -0400 Subject: RE: need tires Kumho sales get better :) I know of 4, 5 including me auto crossers in my competitive arena using this tire for STS or street use I cannot imagine if it's like this all over the country they are selling like crazy and almost all of them Are tire rack purchases. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linnhoff, Eric Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 11:48 AM To: 'autox' Subject: RE: need tires Yeah, what's up with that Bill O.? Might you carry the other K street tires once the Kumho sales get better? Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- also Kumho does make the wonderful ESCTA 712 in 185/55/14 which is bigger then the numbers suggest on a 6" rim it is 7.60" wide and 22" tall now for some strange reason Tire rack decided NOT to carry the 14" tires or the 711but if you check kumho's website Or call 1800-hi-kumho you can find a dealer near you or mail order that can help.. From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 10:25:48 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:32:29 -0400 Subject: RE: need tires A little trick I picked up from the BMW crowd If you have 3 season directional tires designed to push water away reverse The direction they will "grab the snow on acceleration and push it away during braking This and lower the pressure to the teens for added grip. Not a very elegant solution but it really does work in a pinch (You should see the fishtails of snow it creates on the Z-pig) Keep in mind 3 season tires will harden slightly during intense winter use Don't ask me why. But I think it has something to do with heat cycling But if you are starting with H rated you should be ok, I had a set of SP8000 that Went from Z rated to Rocks over one winter Jeff Lloyd (Standard disclaimer) As always I do not condone running 3 season tires as winter tires And this can become quite dicey as always drive with your head Not above it. This suggestion is for "in a pinch" (Like, "I'm late for work and all I have to drive on are these tires") Situations, not Regular snow uses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Linnhoff, Eric Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 11:56 AM To: 'autox' Subject: RE: need tires Yeah, the problem is that any more we only get one or two brief snows here in Kansas City and I could probably deal with even bald R tires for that short of a duration. 3 season tires are my biggest need with some capability in the snow. If the snow lasts any length of time I usually carry sand bags, a shovel, thick blankets, a 4 pack of Northern tissue paper and a box of Cheerios. ;^) So, I don't really need a set of steelies and true snow/ice tires. (Knock on wood.) But whatever tires I do get need to be able to at least go slowly through some snow. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- Sorry I missed the "Snow" part Well In kumho the ECSTA HP4 is supposed to be a decent all around tire And I know the contential Contetouring ch95 is awesome!!! But as always nothing can touch a set of stellies and Blizzacks or hakka-1's or 10's From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 10:47:31 2000 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:44:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap 10th was still a trophy finish in a 42-car slass, Rajah! Perhaps to The Famous R.J. that is not up to standard, but to most of us peons it would be Valhallah! :-) <--------note smiley! --Rocket J. Squirrel -----Original Message----- From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap > >Great? Hmmmmmm. You must have missed seeing the S/S >results from Topeka '99, Dave. > > R > > >DA>Please refrain from taking everything so literally. > >DA>Quote: >DA>> RJ>DA>Putting words in someone's mouth is "absurd" or at least a little >DA>rude :) > >DA>Please note the "smiley" at the end of the sentence. This is meant to >DA>inflect a happy tone to the sentence, actually sarcasm in this case. It >DA>wasn't meant as a personal insult or anything like that! > >DA>I'm sorry that you interpreted my comments incorrectly, it wasn't my >DA>intention! > > >DA>Dave (Who has apparently made the Great Roger Johnson - Ohio mad at me :)) > >DA>----- Original Message ----- >DA>From: >DA>To: >DA>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:47 PM >DA>Subject: Re: Nationals Entry Cap > > >DA>> >DA>> You say that limiting Nationals entries to the top drivers is absurd. >DA>> (I also don't like that method of managing entries.) >DA>> >DA>> I say that sending entries in early does not solve one thing - an >DA>> equally absurd concept. >DA>> >DA>> It is that simple. >DA>> >DA>> I'm rude when I use the word, and you're not? >DA>> >DA>> >DA>> Roger >DA>> >DA>> >DA>> >DA>> RJ>DA>My own words: >DA>> >DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> I can't believe anyone is bringing up the "qualification" >DA>issue f >DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> Nationals again. I will state this again like many did >DA>during th >DA>> RJ>DA>NT >DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> debate: GET YOUR ENTRIES IN EARLY!!!!! If you don't, and >DA>don't >DA>> RJ>DA>make >DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> the cut, it is your own problem. The thought of limiting >DA>entries >DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> those who finished well at a qualifier event so there is >DA>room for >DA>> RJ>DA>" >DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> Top Drivers" has to be the most absurd concept I've heard in >DA>a lo >DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> time. If anyone who wants to go doesn't delay until the >DA>last >DA>> RJ>DA>possible >DA>> RJ>DA>RJ>MS>> moment, it wouldn't be a problem >DA>> >DA>> RJ>DA>A clip of Roger's Words: >DA>> >DA>> RJ>DA>> And while I am against entry caps, and qualification, etc. >DA>> RJ>DA>> Whitworth's concept of EnterEarly is pretty 'absurd' in >DA>> RJ>DA>> itself. It is not a fix at all. >DA>> RJ>DA>> >DA>> >DA>> RJ>DA>Putting words in someone's mouth is "absurd" or at least a little >DA>rude :) >DA>> >DA>> RJ>DA>Did I say that this would fix the problem? Did I outline my >DA>EnterEarly p >DA>> RJ>DA>as the fixall to entry problems and large attendance? NO >DA>> >DA>> RJ>DA>My point is that because there is a limit, if you want to go, you >DA>had bet >DA>> RJ>DA>enter now! If you wait, and don't get in, don't come crying that I, >DA>a la >DA>> RJ>DA>place driver took your spot because you have a chance to win a >DA>trophy (or >DA>> RJ>DA>championship) >DA>> >DA>> RJ>DA>Personally, I don't think the "system" needs fixing at all. It is >DA>> RJ>DA>unfortunate that they had to impose a limit so late in the game. >DA>Besides >DA>> RJ>DA>that, the system works fine. Organizers set a limit, and if you >DA>want to >DA>> RJ>DA>to their event, you register in time to make the cap! If you piddle >DA>arou >DA>> RJ>DA>until the last day and don't make it, why should I give my spot for >DA>you. >DA>> >DA>> RJ>DA>Dave (I wonder what would happen if I sent my 2001 Entry Today?) >DA>> >DA>> >DA>> >DA>> > > > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 11:03:16 2000 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Christopher Hammond" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:00:47 -0500 Subject: Re: talent show? -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Hammond To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:06 AM Subject: talent show? >ok ok ok, I know I will get flamed for this.... Nah. "Even dumb questions have answers." --Linus Van Pelt >but being a new guy... when is that talent show? Thursday night. It's a don't-miss-it evening, and BFG buys dinner. >who is in it? etc.....? You are, and anyone else who wishes to expose themselves on stage. :-) It can be serious or not, talented or not. Roger-the-Famous is the major domo of the affair. You have to let him know in advance you want to participate, like five minutes before showtime or so (he doesn't mind if you tell him sooner). You'd be amazed at how tolerant the audience is. Of course, their standards are pretty low too. (I wouldn't miss it!). --Rocky Entriken (my standards surpass the least of them) >-- >Christopher Hammond >http://www.christoc.com >-- > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 11:12:59 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: ottocrosser@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:07:00 PDT Subject: Why shock access is an issue. Ok... How about not wanting to cut holes in a new car that you intend to sell (or have leased)? More importantly, take the case of Driver A who is shopping for shocks. The most wonderfullest shocks for the car cost only $10, but the adjustment can't be reached with the shocks on the car. Since there's no provision for cutting holes in the car in the rulebook, Driver A buys the next most wonderful shocks, which don't work quite as well and cost $5000, but have the adjustment knob where it can be reached. Driver B comes along, says "to hell with this", buys the $10 shocks, and cuts a "speaker hole" in the car to access them. Now either Driver A is out $5000 and needs to cut up his car, or Driver B has to buy a new panel and get a new mortgage. **The preparation choices we make depend on the rulings of the SEB.** THAT's why these discussions are important and relevant. KeS My position on this particular matter remains the same - just because you can cut a hole for speakers shouldn't imply that hole can be used for other purposes i.e. shock adjustment access port. >From: "Otto Crosser" >Reply-To: "Otto Crosser" >To: autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:44:09 EDT > >So can somebody please explain in great detail why these holes are such a >performance advantage? Is it the 2 oz. of weight savings? The structural >weakening of the car? I'm sick of hearing about all these protests over >microscopic technicalities. Hasn't anyone heard of sportsmanship these >days? > > Otto > > > >From: Scott Meyers > >Reply-To: Scott Meyers > >To: Mark Sirota > >CC: Smokerbros@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for Lotii > >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:39:19 -0700 > > > >Mark Sirota wrote: > > > > > Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Can you spell "inconsistent?" > > > > > > No, it's not. It's not the same thing at all. The ASP issue was that > > > the shocks poked the hole itself, due to being placed close to the > > > fiberglass, and lots of Lotus flex. It's standard wear and tear, much > > > unlike the holes drilled in interior panels. > > > >So, if MH had drilled some holes for access *before* the shocks poked the > >holes it would be OK? > > > >Say, I think I saw him do just that :-) > > > >Scott Meyers > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 11:18:23 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:17:57 -0400 Subject: Re: talent show? Rocky: Just a minor correction. BFG *used* to buy the dinner. At the present time, the talent show is unsponsored. Matt Murray Former Y2K DTN admin ************************************** Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 ************************************* mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > Thursday night. It's a don't-miss-it evening, and BFG buys dinner. > > --Rocky Entriken (my standards surpass the least of them) From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 11:21:14 2000 From: "Arthur Emerson" To: ottocrosser@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:20:07 GMT Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) "Otto Crosser" wrote: > >So can somebody please explain in great detail why these >holes are such a performance advantage? Simple. Because they allow for an adjustment that was not provided for by the factory. Huh??? There are cars where bottom-adjusting shocks are the only option. Picture having to jack up your car, pull the wheels, and then make your damper adjustments. NASCAR pit crew not an issue, how long will it take to make a shock adjustment? Are you going to do it on the stage line??? No way! OK, now let's look at a car with a removable trim piece on top of the shocks, like the rear of the Eclipse/Talon. To adjust the rear shocks from the top requires removing/installing 4 screws. With an electric screw gun, I bet you could get it down to under 2 minutes. Could you make an adjustment this way on the stage line??? Possibly, if you're quick. Would you think twice about doing it??? Probably. Finally, let's look at a car like the Probe/MX-6 (or Neon?), where somebody drilled holes to get at the shock adjusters. What's it gonna take to change the shocks, 5 seconds each??? Can anyone make that adjustment on the stage line??? Without a doubt. I've seen it done. So, what's the big deal??? It's about sportsmanship. If the bottom-adjusting drivers cannot make quick adjustments, nor can they make a way to make quick adjustments, then why should the cars where simply drilling a hole makes it possible be allowed to do it??? At the regional level, this is not a big deal. At national events, and ProSolo in particular, there are two-driver cars that are almost constantly in the staging lines. It's an unfair competitive advantage to expedite adjustments. When shopping for a new car, make sure to buy one with clear access to wherever the shock adjusters will be going. Otherwise, don't think that you can make your own access and get away with it. If you go the tweeter route, at least you're carrying around some dead weight, along with the guilt of knowing that you're pushing "serves no other purpose" to the limits. Just the opinion of somebody that has a car where top-adjust shocks are the only option, and getting to the top of the rear shocks requires removing the plastic fender liners and/or rear bumper skin. :-( Use the quick adjustment if you are driving a car that allows for it from the factory. Just don't go making your own, because there are people that can't do it..... -Arthur ("Tweeters never win" edition.) ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 11:27:36 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: mattm@optonline.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:26:19 GMT Subject: Re: Go Karts Topeka Count me in ! >From: "Matt Murray" >How many of you would be interested in flogging karts Monday morning > >(Sept. 11)? > >Please respond ASAP, so I can put this together. Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 11:31:54 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: bthatch@juno.com, TeamZ3@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:30:43 GMT Subject: Re: [Solo2Atlanta] BFG Team T/A SEDiv Event Results Posted Ben, try: http://www.eec.com/sediv/2000/Event1Blue.pdf >From: Ben Thatcher >Hey Mark, > >I went to the website but couldn't find any results for the SP classes. Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 11:43:37 2000 From: Alek Tziortzis To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:41:17 -0500 Subject: Must Read for those in Fstock with Fbodies 1993+ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------993D4A9E868EB812798F2085 The following is for people with F-bodies and Koni single adjustable shocks on the front of their car . Koni Single adjustable front shocks for the 1993+ F-body come with two spring perch positions, The upper one is the stock ride height. >From the factory , I believe they come installed in the lower spring perch position, which is not the stock ride height. In fact, Bob Noack from Koni related to me that if the shock is on the lower spring perch, that this would lower the car by 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch. What this also does is get you much more negative camber than a stock ride height F-body can normally get (up to .5 or more degrees of additional negative camber, which is a lot, considering from the factory you can only get about -.6 degrees). Using the lower spring perch is clearly Illegal in Fstock. The reason this has come up is that a lot of competitors do not know about this (they just buy the shocks and bring them to somewhere that installs them) and it became a small issue among some local competitors (they did not know this). Note that DOUBLE adjustable Koni shocked cars DO NOT have an adjustable perch (there is only one way you can have em) so this doesn't apply. This is a friendly note to all those F-bodies out there going to nationals in Fstock that are running Koni Single adjustable shocks up front, make sure the spring perch used is the upper one. Someone might just be looking at Nationals (and it is quite easy to see, you dont even have to jack the car up to see). Thanks Alex 98 1LE --------------993D4A9E868EB812798F2085 name="alextz.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Alek Tziortzis Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="alextz.vcf" begin:vcard n:Tziortzis;Alex tel;cell:(847) 343-3295 tel;fax:(847) 576-3240 tel;work:(847) 538-2041 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Wireless Access Technology Research;Motorola Labs version:2.1 email;internet:alextz@comm.mot.com title:Lead Engineer adr;quoted-printable:;;1301 E. Algonquin Rd.=0D=0ARm 2246 IL02 ;Schaumburg;Illinois;60196; x-mozilla-cpt:;2016 fn:Alex Tziortzis end:vcard --------------993D4A9E868EB812798F2085-- From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 11:51:18 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:48:41 -0400 Subject: Talent Show (WAS: RE: Fued) rjohnson@friendlynet.com wrote: > You gotta come to the Talent Show to find out. ...speaking of which, y'all have gotta see what the SM Social Director and Minister of Starion Parts Breakage has dreamed up as the potential SM entry. That is, if Boris and Natasha have the guts to go through with it. :) DG From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 11:56:09 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: bthatch@juno.com, autox@autox.team.net, solo2atlanta@topica.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:53:55 EDT Subject: Re: [Solo2Atlanta] BFG Team T/A SEDiv Event Results Posted , bthatch@juno.com writes: << I went to the website but couldn't find any results for the SP classes. >> You probably just overlooked it because it only says SP, view the Blue Group results. All SP classes ran in Blue. Mark From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:05:23 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: alextz@comm.mot.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:04:02 PDT Subject: Re: Must Read for those in Fstock with Fbodies 1993+ boundary="------------993D4A9E868EB812798F2085" I remember when Perry Kincy and I got some of the first of these shocks for our ESP cars back in the day - got the whole thing taken apart, installed, and buttoned back together, dropped my car off the jacks and the fenders hit the tires with a resounding "thud". We had no idea there was another groove under the spring perch. KeS >The following is for people with F-bodies and Koni single adjustable >shocks >on the front of their car . > >Koni Single adjustable front shocks for the 1993+ F-body come with >two spring perch positions, The upper one is the stock ride height. >From the factory , I believe they come installed in the lower spring >perch position, which is not the stock ride height. In fact, Bob Noack >from Koni >related to me that if the shock is on the lower spring perch, >that this would lower the car by 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch. What this also >does >is get you much more negative camber than a stock ride height F-body can >normally get (up to .5 or more degrees of additional negative camber, >which is a lot, considering from the factory you can only get about -.6 >degrees). > >Using the lower spring perch is clearly Illegal in Fstock. The reason >this >has come up is that a lot of competitors do not know about this (they >just buy the shocks and bring them to somewhere that installs them) and >it became a small issue among some local competitors (they did not know >this). > >Note that DOUBLE adjustable Koni shocked cars DO NOT have an adjustable >perch >(there is only one way you can have em) so this doesn't apply. > > >This is a friendly note to all those F-bodies out there going to >nationals >in Fstock that are running Koni Single adjustable shocks up front, >make sure the spring perch used is the upper one. Someone might just >be looking at Nationals (and it is quite easy to see, you dont even >have to jack the car up to see). > >Thanks >Alex >98 1LE >--------------993D4A9E868EB812798F2085 > name="alextz.vcf" >Content-Description: Card for Alek Tziortzis >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="alextz.vcf" > >begin:vcard >n:Tziortzis;Alex >tel;cell:(847) 343-3295 >tel;fax:(847) 576-3240 >tel;work:(847) 538-2041 >x-mozilla-html:FALSE >org:Wireless Access Technology Research;Motorola Labs >version:2.1 >email;internet:alextz@comm.mot.com >title:Lead Engineer >adr;quoted-printable:;;1301 E. Algonquin Rd.=0D=0ARm 2246 >IL02 ;Schaumburg;Illinois;60196; >x-mozilla-cpt:;2016 >fn:Alex Tziortzis >end:vcard > >--------------993D4A9E868EB812798F2085-- > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:18:55 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Rocky Entriken'" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:18:01 -0500 Subject: RE: talent show? -----Original Message----- Thursday night. It's a don't-miss-it evening, and BFG buys dinner. =============================== Well, they used to. But since Roger decided to jump ship and go to the K tires................ ;^) I say that Kumho should hold two evening events. Add the talent show to their already excellent tuesday evening dinner schedule. If they do it, I'll even buy Kumho street tires before winter sets in. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:24:28 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Karl Rickert'" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:22:26 -0500 Subject: RE: Go Karts Topeka RIGHT!!! Me too. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- Count me in ! From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:27:05 2000 From: Don Miller To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: V-6 Aftermarket Intake Manifold Sources??? I too have not found an alternate source but the information from Ron below is very accurate. I run stock intake with a larger throttle body of the 240SX motor. Little higher fuel pump and matched injectors with adjustable fuel pressure regulator. Currently intercooled at 8 PSI and no problems (other than my own silliness when I drive). I am going up to 12 PSI Boost which with everyhting should put me into the 320-340 hp range. the nice thing is everything has been fairly bulletproof so far. Don Miller TLS #8 69 turbo V-6 Datsun Roadster --- Ronald Nottingham wrote: > Scott Meyers asked: > > While there are many sources for American > alternate intake manifolds, I > > am looking for a source(s) for the Nissan VG30E > V-6 (1984-89) engine. > > I'd like to look at both injection and carburetor > models. > > > > Anyone have names or numbers for such dealers? > > > > Sorry, Scott. I don't know of any such beast. I > don't know how much power > you're planning on making, but Nissan's upper and > lower intake is pretty > good. I know it can handle 300hp+ on a turbo > engine. Best thing to do is > use a throttle body from an S13 240sx DOHC engine, > Extrude Hone the upper, > and port match and polish the lower. On my VG30ET, > the stock fuel system > and turbo are holding me back from safely making any > more power, and from > what I've seen on the net, the stock intake isn't a > restriction until the > 450-500 flywheel hp level. This is just above the > 400 flywheel hp limit of > the stock rods. > > If that won't take care of it, you could always weld > up a custom intake > setup. I don't know if I would waste the time > trying to find the right > combo though, since it is a good design. Maybe a > sheetmetal box upper (like > the turbo 5.0 Mustang drag racers), mated to a > polished stock lower intake. > > Wish I could have been of more help! > > Ron N. - Dalton, GA > 84 300ZXT (GRM $2001 Challenger, ailing a little, > but will be ready!) > IZCC# 4779 TLS#30 > > __________________________________________________ Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:27:38 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Jay Mitchell Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:26:02 -0400 Subject: Re: FRONT (NOT Rear) Shock Access for Lotii Jay Mitchell wrote: > On Europas, it's actually the chassis that the shock will rub > against if the bushing compresses sufficiently. An Elan will > probably do the same thing. If the fiberglass wound up being > penetrated, it would have to be the frame sheetmetal that went > through, not the shock bushing. Nope, on Elans, the top of the shock is close to the fiberglass, not the frame, of the fenderwell. On the cars in question, the shocks poked a hole in said fiberglass. Some of the cars (such as the Carle's) were using shorter shocks than others, so the hole wasn't as relevant. Mark From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:28:27 2000 From: Sam Strano To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:33:24 -0400 Subject: RE: talent show? At 01:18 PM 8/18/00 -0500, Linnhoff, Eric wrote: >-----Original Message----- >Thursday night. It's a don't-miss-it evening, and BFG buys dinner. >=============================== >Well, they used to. But since Roger decided to jump ship and go to the K >tires................ ;^) Oh noooooooo........ Roger is on Hoosiers. We tried, we failed. I guess I'll just have to try and beat him in Topeka and show him the error of his ways! :-) BTW, that's a little good-natured ribbing folks.......... Sam Sam Strano Jr. Strano Performance Parts 800-729-1831 orders/price info. 814-849-3417 technical info. From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:32:32 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:31:21 -0500 Subject: RE: Go Karts Topeka Now, should I get the hour long full body massage before or after driving the go-karts? Seriously. That was the best $50 I spent at last years nationals. A 99% full body massage that I found advertised in that little ad flyer in our registration packets. As soon as I read the ad I called the lady (discovered her to be an attractive and athletic blonde) and set up an appointment. I walked around the rest of the day smelling like coconut oil and wearing a stupid sheepish grin on my ever-so-relaxed face. Would've rated her massage a solid 10 on the Oh-Jesus-that-feels-really-good scale is it wasn't for her incessant new-age babbling. "Breathe in the good air, breathe out the bad air, feel the good vibrations in your gonads." Serious as a heart attack, she said those exact words. It took every bit of self control to not bust out laughing when she said that. Once again, best $50 I spent besides the entry fee. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- Count me in ! From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:36:12 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Otto Crosser Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:35:03 -0400 Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) Otto Crosser wrote: > So can somebody please explain in great detail why these holes are > such a performance advantage? Is it the 2 oz. of weight savings? It's almost never about weight savings. The rulebook clearly states that you're not authorized to make an illegal modification to facilitate a legal one. You are allowed to adjust your shocks. You are not allowed to drill holes in your interior to facilitate that. It's that simple. Is it a performance advantage? Yes, it can be. Some cars just have some weaknesses, and access to the top of the shock towers might just be one of those weaknesses. If that means that you can't make adjustments between runs on that car, that's part of the design of that car. There's nothing in the rulebook that says that you're allowed to change that. > Hasn't anyone heard of sportsmanship these days? Sure. Hasn't anyone heard of following the rules? Mark From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:46:12 2000 From: "Burns, James B." To: autox Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:45:14 -0400 Subject: Where in SP is the BMW 328? Which SP class is the BMW 328 in? I see the 325 in DSP, E30 M3 in CSP, and E36 M3 in ESP, but I don't see the 328 listed. Brad Burns From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:50:35 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:57:19 -0400 Subject: insight=CRX=light=cars are cheaper then grocerys Well I saw my first Honda insight today, neat little car, 2seater the rear end is cut flat Very light I said to myself "self, that is a CRX" I'll tell you. Take away the cheesy wind directing rear Wheel covers (ala Cadillac) and you have an 2nd gen CRX with a redesigned front end. Look it's the 3rd generation CRX!!! http://www.honda2000.com/models/insight/color_info/car3.jpg So I got to thinking "wonder what the specs are like" Well here you go Insight 1847 Lbs 66hp 67ftlbs trq. $18,800 (gasp for a honduh) 28 lbs per HP $10.17 per pound But wait there's more I said that is one light car but is it the lightest we can buy NOPE the GEO metro is the only car to beat it out and not by much 14lbs lighter To put the HP/weight into perspective a 99 Miata is 16lbs per hp Metro 1832 lbs 55hp 57 ft-lbs torque $9232.00 33 lbs per hp That's $5.04 per pound, cheaper then some meat Now get this I thought to myself, "self, is that the cheapest car per pound??" NOPE) I am always amazed how my mind works so I looked... and since I was grocery shopping When I spotted the insight the price per pound Idea stuck in my head And I found probably the best deal on four wheels out there, the Daewoo Lanos Lanos 2447 lbs 105hp 106ft-lbs $8669.00 23 lbs per hp $3.54 per pound cheaper then cheese!!!!!!!! Other cars that were close Suzuki Swift Swift 1895 lbs 79hp 75ft-lbs torque $9099.00 24 lbs per hp $4.80 per pound pretty decent Hyundai Accent 2255 lbs 92hp 97ft-lbs torque $8999 24.5 lbs per hp $3.99 per pound (2nd place) Toyota Echo 2100lbs 108hp 105ft-lbs torque $9995 19.5 lbs per hp (for under 10,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) $4.75 per pound Saturn SL 2332 lbs 108 hp 114ft-lbs torque $10,685 21.6 lbs per hp $4.58 per pound In summary the echo blows away the competition in HP/Weight While the Daewoo and Hyundai (both Korean) are winners in value per dollar While the Saturn proves the Americans can play in the foreign game Notice No European Cars made the list, because Not a single one could be had For under $15,000 I wish VW were allowed to bring the 98+MPG polo over here They would really offer a fighting chance. From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:51:19 2000 From: "James Rogerson" To: "Autox" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:49:51 -0500 Subject: seaons? Are seasoned tires those that have been heat cycled too many times? Oh wait, it the annual we get to compete just four months and you run all year so why aren't you any better discussion. James Rogerson [FP #125] - Techless Racing "Nails are glue, hypothetically speaking" - Lou Fertile "Men that like golf are unhappy at home and incapable of having a meaningful relationship with women" - Joseph Heller The census records were used in 1941-2 to identify, abduct and imprison innocent Japanese Americans. Be sure to fill out yours. Trust them. From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:54:06 2000 From: "Joe Goeke" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:46:00 -0700 Subject: testing...sorry :-) From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 12:55:15 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: James.Burns@jhuapl.edu, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:54:14 EDT Subject: Re: Where in SP is the BMW 328? In a message dated 8/18/00 1:50:10 PM Central Daylight Time, James.Burns@jhuapl.edu writes: << Which SP class is the BMW 328 in? I see the 325 in DSP, E30 M3 in CSP, and E36 M3 in ESP, but I don't see the 328 listed. >> DSP - BMW 3 Series (16V NOC) Sipe From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:01:25 2000 From: Eric Carman To: "Jeff Lloyd" , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:00:23 -0400 Subject: Re: insight=CRX=light=cars are cheaper then grocerys My thoughts exactly, now all they need to do is, as you said, remove the ugly rear wheel covers and drop the 1.6 DOHC Si engine in it. Can you say great power to weight. Eric (Waiting for Honda to realized it needs to make a new CRX) Carman At 02:57 PM 8/18/00 -0400, Jeff Lloyd wrote: >Well I saw my first Honda insight today, neat little car, 2seater the rear >end is cut flat >Very light I said to myself "self, that is a CRX" I'll tell you. Take away >the cheesy wind directing rear >Wheel covers (ala Cadillac) and you have an 2nd gen CRX with a redesigned >front end. > >Look it's the 3rd generation CRX!!! >http://www.honda2000.com/models/insight/color_info/car3.jpg > >So I got to thinking "wonder what the specs are like" > >Well here you go > >Insight >1847 Lbs >66hp >67ftlbs trq. >$18,800 (gasp for a honduh) >28 lbs per HP > >$10.17 per pound > >But wait there's more I said that is one light car but is it the lightest we >can buy >NOPE the GEO metro is the only car to beat it out and not by much 14lbs >lighter >To put the HP/weight into perspective a 99 Miata is 16lbs per hp > >Metro >1832 lbs >55hp >57 ft-lbs torque >$9232.00 >33 lbs per hp > >That's $5.04 per pound, cheaper then some meat > >Now get this I thought to myself, "self, is that the cheapest car per >pound??" NOPE) >I am always amazed how my mind works so I looked... and since I was grocery >shopping >When I spotted the insight the price per pound Idea stuck in my head > >And I found probably the best deal on four wheels out there, the Daewoo >Lanos > >Lanos >2447 lbs >105hp >106ft-lbs >$8669.00 >23 lbs per hp > >$3.54 per pound cheaper then cheese!!!!!!!! > >Other cars that were close >Suzuki Swift > >Swift >1895 lbs >79hp >75ft-lbs torque >$9099.00 >24 lbs per hp > >$4.80 per pound pretty decent > > >Hyundai Accent >2255 lbs >92hp >97ft-lbs torque >$8999 >24.5 lbs per hp > >$3.99 per pound (2nd place) > >Toyota Echo >2100lbs >108hp >105ft-lbs torque >$9995 >19.5 lbs per hp (for under 10,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) >$4.75 per pound > >Saturn SL >2332 lbs >108 hp >114ft-lbs torque >$10,685 >21.6 lbs per hp >$4.58 per pound > > > > >In summary the echo blows away the competition in HP/Weight >While the Daewoo and Hyundai (both Korean) are winners in value per dollar >While the Saturn proves the Americans can play in the foreign game >Notice No European Cars made the list, because Not a single one could be had >For under $15,000 I wish VW were allowed to bring the 98+MPG polo over here >They would really offer a fighting chance. > > > > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:00:24 2000 From: "Burns, James B." To: TeamZ3@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:59:06 -0400 Subject: RE: Where in SP is the BMW 328? I don't think the 328 is 16V, but it would fall under the "sedans under 3.0L NOC" in DSP. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something and that it really was in DSP. Brad > -----Original Message----- > From: TeamZ3@aol.com [SMTP:TeamZ3@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 2:54 PM > To: James.Burns@jhuapl.edu; autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: Where in SP is the BMW 328? > > In a message dated 8/18/00 1:50:10 PM Central Daylight Time, > James.Burns@jhuapl.edu writes: > > << Which SP class is the BMW 328 in? I see the 325 in DSP, E30 M3 in CSP, > and > E36 M3 in ESP, but I don't see the 328 listed. >> > > > DSP - BMW 3 Series (16V NOC) > > > Sipe From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:02:16 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: James.Burns@jhuapl.edu, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:00:40 EDT Subject: Re: Where in SP is the BMW 328? In a message dated 8/18/00 1:58:08 PM Central Daylight Time, TeamZ3@aol.com writes: << DSP - BMW 3 Series (16V NOC) >> Guess I need to learn to count, 328's have 24 valves. Dohhhhh... Mark From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:17:21 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: , , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:24:00 -0400 Subject: RE: Where in SP is the BMW 328? Breaking out the old rulebook Holy!!!!! Sipe You have found a paradox car DSP says all V6 and turbo 4 cylinders. <--(Notice the period) Sedans under 3.0 NOC CSP says all sedans over 1.7l and under 3.0 NOC (this is new for this year and poorly written if you ask me) Some say the CSP catch all should catch it before the DSP catch all comes into effect Cascading catch-alls is a common belief but I can find no documentation to back up that belief Sooooo the way I read it is a toss up; They should be grouped together with the 325 and 323 Like all BMW 3 series 6 cylinder NOC IMHO Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of TeamZ3@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 2:54 PM To: James.Burns@jhuapl.edu; autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Where in SP is the BMW 328? In a message dated 8/18/00 1:50:10 PM Central Daylight Time, James.Burns@jhuapl.edu writes: << Which SP class is the BMW 328 in? I see the 325 in DSP, E30 M3 in CSP, and E36 M3 in ESP, but I don't see the 328 listed. >> DSP - BMW 3 Series (16V NOC) Sipe From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:35:43 2000 From: "JCGZ3" To: "Ron Bauer" , , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:29:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? No grudge, just an observation ;-) > Mark, there was a '97 model of the Type R, and for all intents and purposes, > it was classed just prior to the '98 Nationals. While I'm no longer > bothered by it (obvioulsy my Team Butt Heat co-member still holds a > grudge.....) it is something that should be avoided. > > So, Joe's comment is accurate that cars shouldn't be classed right before > Nationals, regardless of whether they are brand new or not. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: TeamZ3@aol.com > To: jcgz3@hotmail.com ; autox@autox.team.net > > Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: Z06 Corvette and Nationals? > > > > jcgz3@hotmail.com writes: > > > ><< This sounds like what did happen in 98 with the Type-R ;-). While the > > Type-R was not new, it was new to stock and not explored, thus the same > > exact scenario ;-). >> > > > > > >It's not the same exact scenario. It was a 98 model in the 98 Nat's and > the > >SEB classified it after receiving a recommendation from the SCAC. Further, > >if the 99 model was available and essentially unchanged from 98 the SEB is > >allowed to approve them as well. Besides, I recall a Talon taking home the > >brass in 98. > > > >It has nothing to do with Z06 situation, twisting of words/intent excepted. > > > >Sipe > > > > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:35:42 2000 From: "Burns, James B." To: Jeff Lloyd , TeamZ3@aol.com, Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:34:05 -0400 Subject: RE: Where in SP is the BMW 328? > DSP says all V6 and turbo 4 cylinders. <--(Notice the period) Sedans under > 3.0 NOC > CSP says all sedans over 1.7l and under 3.0 NOC (this is new for this year > and poorly written if you ask me) > Plus, the BMWs are not V6 but inline-6, so this sounds as if the DSP catch-all would not apply. But the consensus seems to be that it is a DSP car. > They should be grouped together with the 325 and 323 > Like all BMW 3 series 6 cylinder NOC IMHO > I agree. But would this also include the new 330? Brad From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:38:00 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: msirota@isc.upenn.edu, ottocrosser@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:36:08 EDT Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) In a message dated 8/18/2000 11:39:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, msirota@isc.upenn.edu writes: << Is it a performance advantage? Yes, it can be. Some cars just have some weaknesses, and access to the top of the shock towers might just be one of those weaknesses. If that means that you can't make adjustments between runs on that car, that's part of the design of that car. There's nothing in the rulebook that says that you're allowed to change that. >> I maintain that: 1) it equalizes cars that can't make the adjustment without the hole to those that can. 2) it's comfort and convenience to not have to A) either drive around every day on your autocross settings or B) take things apart before and after the autocross. I do accept that making adjustments between runs is an advantage, but when I ran C/S in my RX-7 I had to run against Miatae and MR-2s that can adjust shocks without panel removal. Didn't seem fair, until I was given the "tweeter" idea... CHD From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:37:27 2000 From: Randy Chase To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:43:08 -0700 Subject: Slipping Clutch Question Hi, lately my clutch has been slipping. Not abnormal, in that I change my clutch every couple years...and I have been teaching my daughter to drive my car (hmmm, the smell of burnt clutch!). I have normally ignored the slip, as I thought it only affected the length of time until the clutch engages. In fact, I found for autocrossing, a new grabby clutch was worse as far as upsetting the car. A slipping clutch actually mechanically smoothed the shift transitions. But, it occurs to me, if the clutch was slipping during a non-shifting point also, that would be a bad thing...as you are in effect losing power. The question is, does the clutch when it slips on shifting also slip after engagement is made? I might have to scramble before nats and add this to my list of stuff to be done (windshield is braking) in the next few weeks. Thanks! Randy Chase '91 MR2 NA (slight overheating..head gasket?...cracked windshield....needs body work and a paint job....suspension whacked from hitting a wall...throttle cable causing idle to be way high....and now a slipping clutch) From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:40:15 2000 From: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com To: "Kevin Stevens" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:20:44 -0700 Subject: Shock access - am I stupid? What is the majority opinion: is the drilling as a fundimental act the problem or the "weight removal" of holes and the like. Here is my perspective: If I could drill some sort of beveled hole in which I could securely fasten my interior trim (cap, panel, whatever) back on in it's original spot, would anyone consider that illegal? No illegal holes were drilled to facilitate installation, just to get to the adjustment. My RX-7 has two trim pieces that snap off to allow full access to the top of the rear shocks. I submit that you could 'engineer' the same thing on any car. Thoughts? AB "Kevin Stevens" on 08/18/2000 01:07:00 PM Please respond to "Kevin Stevens" To: ottocrosser@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net cc: (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) Subject: Why shock access is an issue. Ok... How about not wanting to cut holes in a new car that you intend to sell (or have leased)? More importantly, take the case of Driver A who is shopping for shocks. The most wonderfullest shocks for the car cost only $10, but the adjustment can't be reached with the shocks on the car. Since there's no provision for cutting holes in the car in the rulebook, Driver A buys the next most wonderful shocks, which don't work quite as well and cost $5000, but have the adjustment knob where it can be reached. Driver B comes along, says "to hell with this", buys the $10 shocks, and cuts a "speaker hole" in the car to access them. Now either Driver A is out $5000 and needs to cut up his car, or Driver B has to buy a new panel and get a new mortgage. **The preparation choices we make depend on the rulings of the SEB.** THAT's why these discussions are important and relevant. KeS My position on this particular matter remains the same - just because you can cut a hole for speakers shouldn't imply that hole can be used for other purposes i.e. shock adjustment access port. >From: "Otto Crosser" >Reply-To: "Otto Crosser" >To: autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:44:09 EDT > >So can somebody please explain in great detail why these holes are such a >performance advantage? Is it the 2 oz. of weight savings? The structural >weakening of the car? I'm sick of hearing about all these protests over >microscopic technicalities. Hasn't anyone heard of sportsmanship these >days? > > Otto > > > >From: Scott Meyers > >Reply-To: Scott Meyers > >To: Mark Sirota > >CC: Smokerbros@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for Lotii > >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:39:19 -0700 > > > >Mark Sirota wrote: > > > > > Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Can you spell "inconsistent?" > > > > > > No, it's not. It's not the same thing at all. The ASP issue was that > > > the shocks poked the hole itself, due to being placed close to the > > > fiberglass, and lots of Lotus flex. It's standard wear and tear, much > > > unlike the holes drilled in interior panels. > > > >So, if MH had drilled some holes for access *before* the shocks poked the > >holes it would be OK? > > > >Say, I think I saw him do just that :-) > > > >Scott Meyers > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:41:35 2000 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:38:14 -0500 Subject: Re: talent show? Didn't know that. But yes, Kumho should take over Thursday night then and bag the Tuesday deal (which is scheduled too early anyway). Rocky (and after putting all my street vehicles on BGFs last year!). -----Original Message----- From: Linnhoff, Eric To: 'Rocky Entriken' ; 'autox@autox.team.net' Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: RE: talent show? >-----Original Message----- >Thursday night. It's a don't-miss-it evening, and BFG buys dinner. >=============================== >Well, they used to. But since Roger decided to jump ship and go to the K >tires................ ;^) > >I say that Kumho should hold two evening events. Add the talent show to >their already excellent tuesday evening dinner schedule. If they do it, >I'll even buy Kumho street tires before winter sets in. > >Eric Linnhoff in KC >1998 Dodge Neon R/T >#69 DS #13 TLS >eric10mm@qni.com > >"We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. >But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." >Mother Teresa > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:43:32 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Smokerbros@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:42:09 -0400 Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > I maintain that: > 1) it equalizes cars that can't make the adjustment without the hole > to those that can. > ... > I do accept that making adjustments between runs is an advantage, but > when I ran C/S in my RX-7 I had to run against Miatae and MR-2s that > can adjust shocks without panel removal. Didn't seem fair, until I > was given the "tweeter" idea... So some cars which cannot adjust camber should be allowed to slot their strut mounting holes, because other cars in the same class come with adjustable camber? Some cars which have less power should be allowed some motor mods to bring them up to the standard of other cars in the class? Some cars with narrower rims should be allowed the same width as the widest in the class? These "leveling the playing field" arguments rarely hold water under close scrutiny. > 2) it's comfort and convenience to not have to A) either drive > around every day on your autocross settings or B) take things apart > before and after the autocross. That doesn't match my interpretation of C&C (must be C&C for a purely street driven car; the word "autocross" is not allowed in C&C arguments), but everyone is obviously allowed their own interpretation until an official ruling is made. Mark From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:50:34 2000 From: Randy Chase To: "Linnhoff, Eric" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:56:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Go Karts Topeka "Linnhoff, Eric" wrote: > > Now, should I get the hour long full body massage before or after driving > the go-karts? > > Seriously. That was the best $50 I spent at last years nationals. A 99% > full body massage Mathematically, I have to wonder about the percentages. I am not sure I would want to publicly state that the parts she did not massage were 1% or less. :-P P.S. After the Karts. You may need it. Randy Chase "good, good...good vibrations" -Beach Boys From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:53:08 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Burns, James B." , , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:59:50 -0400 Subject: RE: Where in SP is the BMW 328? Pay attention to the period, the V6 statement does not apply to the Sedans under 3.0 NOC statement so it is BOTH!!!! Now if it is one of the ones built In Spartanburg it can go into ESP, which says "all American inline 6 V-6 and V-8 sedans and pickups NOC" But that is stretching it IMHO with the poor wording of our rule book you can run the same car in 3 SP classes Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Burns, James B. Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 3:34 PM To: Jeff Lloyd; TeamZ3@aol.com; Burns, James B.; autox@autox.team.net Subject: RE: Where in SP is the BMW 328? > DSP says all V6 and turbo 4 cylinders. <--(Notice the period) Sedans under > 3.0 NOC > CSP says all sedans over 1.7l and under 3.0 NOC (this is new for this year > and poorly written if you ask me) > Plus, the BMWs are not V6 but inline-6, so this sounds as if the DSP catch-all would not apply. But the consensus seems to be that it is a DSP car. > They should be grouped together with the 325 and 323 > Like all BMW 3 series 6 cylinder NOC IMHO > I agree. But would this also include the new 330? Brad From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 13:54:30 2000 From: "JCGZ3" To: , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:48:52 -0700 Subject: Re: A Stock Ladies tire warmer wanted Oh REEEEEEaly ;-) .from the infamous commercials ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:25 PM Subject: Re: A Stock Ladies tire warmer wanted > ps: no guys in Budweiser dresses allowed > > TeamZ3@aol.com writes: > > << My Z3 2.8 coupe' needs a tire warmer for our primary A Stock Ladies > driver, > Debbi Eley. Vehicle is fully setup (legally) and *will* be a contender. > > Hurry up and email me before the entry cap is reached. > > Mark Sipe > >> > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 14:13:30 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: msirota@isc.upenn.edu Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:12:25 EDT Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) Mark writes: << So some cars which cannot adjust camber should be allowed to slot their strut mounting holes, because other cars in the same class come with adjustable camber? >> No, all cars should be allowed to get 2 degrees negative by slotting, etc., and all cars should be limited to that as a maximum... Another of my brilliant ideas that got shot down in committee... << Some cars which have less power should be allowed some motor mods to bring them up to the standard of other cars in the class? >> No. That's where proper classing comes in. All cars won't weigh the same, have the same power, wheel width, wheelbase, etc. The whole package gets classed. But something as easy as making holes in an interior panel to adjust shocks, when we allow Miatae to modify their upper shock mounting to facilitate Konis, and allow the Sentra strut modification to facilitate new inserts, etc. just seems reasonable to me. << Some cars with narrower rims should be allowed the same width as the widest in the class? These "leveling the playing field" arguments rarely hold water under close scrutiny. >> See above. I'd make something really easy allowable. And a 1991 SEB agreed. Last I knew, the current SEB didn't... > 2) it's comfort and convenience to not have to A) either drive > around every day on your autocross settings or B) take things apart > before and after the autocross. That doesn't match my interpretation of C&C (must be C&C for a purely street driven car; the word "autocross" is not allowed in C&C arguments), but everyone is obviously allowed their own interpretation until an official ruling is made. >> I guess it doesn't match the SEB's either. I adjusted my Civic and RX7 rear shocks based on the load I was carrying, too, and I'd include that in C&C. I know I'm out of step with current thinking. I think ACR's, 1LE's, M030's, SS's, WS6's, Saleens should all start in SP, too! Obviously none of that flew... CHD From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 14:17:03 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Mark Sirota" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:23:36 -0400 Subject: RE: Where in SP is the BMW 328? Mark is 1/2 right Appendix A says "All unclassified cars will compete in super stock until classified by the SEB Unless covered by a "catch-all" description. To use the catch-alls at the end of The specific car classes in Appendix A, start from Super Stock and work down The classes until a class is found... Now I enjoy figuring out our rulebook Just like mark But I always fade to the "loose interpretation" while Mark favors The tight interpretation. This statement deals directly with stock Good but it specifically says The specific car classes, so street prepared, prepared or modified Do not work this way at least the way I read it... Then again I think our rulebook should be 10 pages long, and simple. But then again there would not be as many loop holes :) Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sirota [mailto:msirota@isc.upenn.edu] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 3:58 PM To: Jeff Lloyd Cc: James.Burns@jhuapl.edu Subject: Re: Where in SP is the BMW 328? Jeff Lloyd wrote: > Some say the CSP catch all should catch it before the DSP catch all > comes into effect Cascading catch-alls is a common belief but I can > find no documentation to back up that belief That very rule is definitely in there somewhere, probably at the top of Appendix A. Don't have the book here, unfortunately. If the car matches a catch-all in CSP, DSP, and ESP, then it's in CSP. As for "american inline 6's", I don't think even a Spartansburg car qualifies, but clearly that wording needs to be changed! Mark From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 14:24:23 2000 From: "Bruce Haden" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:24:10 -0700 Subject: RE: Cheatin' Was:DSP Neon Alan Sheidler Running a STOCK (as in never been apart from the Honda factory) CR125. Even have the original jetting..... That's good, because I think it's a requirement of "stock"!! . From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 14:24:24 2000 From: "Bruce Haden" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:24:11 -0700 Subject: RE: Cheatin' Was:DSP Neon Alan Sheidler Running a STOCK (as in never been apart from the Honda factory) CR125. Even have the original jetting..... Please ignore my last about stock jetting being required. My brain saw the words "stock", "Honda" and "CR" and concluded we were talking about a stock class CRX. Talk about a brain fart!! I realized the truth about 3 seconds after I hit "send". From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 14:26:28 2000 From: "Jay Mitchell" To: , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:23:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? Andy wrote: > What is the majority opinion: is the drilling as a fundimental act the problem > or the "weight removal" of holes and the like. Strictly speaking, modifying your car to facilitate shock adjustability is not allowed in the rules. Practically speaking, I don't care. I suspect you'll find that most competitors don't care about things like this. But it only takes one who _does_ care to file a protest. If I were on a PC considering an item such as this, I'd conclude two things: 1. It's not allowed by the rules, and 2. It's immaterial, ergo no penalty is required. But that's just one person's viewpoint. > If I could drill some sort of beveled hole in which I could securely fasten my > interior trim (cap, panel, whatever) back on in it's original spot, would anyone > consider that illegal? Illegal, yes. Of consequence, no. I honestly believe the second part to be at least as important as the first. Jay From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 14:30:14 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:31:24 -0700 Subject: 4sale - Neon Wheels and Magic Tires Posted for one of my coworkers who just sold his Neon ACR... Neon Wheels and Tires For Sale Qty-4 1995 Neon ACR alloy wheels 14x6" - white w/no centercaps, excellent condition. $100 for the set Qty-4 195/60R14 BFG R1 230 full tread depth - used once in the rain, so just scuffed. Special rain compound from RunOffs @ MidOhio. $300 for the set. Special Deal: Buy the wheels and tires mounted for $350 Prices are plus shipping or pick them up at the Tire Rack in South Bend, IN. No, he isn't going to Kansas. Don't reply to me, email Max Jones directly - max@tirerack.com for details or call the phone# below and ask for Max at ext. 367 ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 14:37:22 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: , Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:44:00 -0400 Subject: RE: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) Like My friend Eric Linhoff always says If you outlaw -2deg camber then only outlaws will have -2deg camber :) Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Smokerbros@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:12 PM To: msirota@isc.upenn.edu Cc: ottocrosser@hotmail.com; autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) Mark writes: << So some cars which cannot adjust camber should be allowed to slot their strut mounting holes, because other cars in the same class come with adjustable camber? >> No, all cars should be allowed to get 2 degrees negative by slotting, etc., and all cars should be limited to that as a maximum... Another of my brilliant ideas that got shot down in committee... << Some cars which have less power should be allowed some motor mods to bring them up to the standard of other cars in the class? >> No. That's where proper classing comes in. All cars won't weigh the same, have the same power, wheel width, wheelbase, etc. The whole package gets classed. But something as easy as making holes in an interior panel to adjust shocks, when we allow Miatae to modify their upper shock mounting to facilitate Konis, and allow the Sentra strut modification to facilitate new inserts, etc. just seems reasonable to me. << Some cars with narrower rims should be allowed the same width as the widest in the class? These "leveling the playing field" arguments rarely hold water under close scrutiny. >> See above. I'd make something really easy allowable. And a 1991 SEB agreed. Last I knew, the current SEB didn't... > 2) it's comfort and convenience to not have to A) either drive > around every day on your autocross settings or B) take things apart > before and after the autocross. That doesn't match my interpretation of C&C (must be C&C for a purely street driven car; the word "autocross" is not allowed in C&C arguments), but everyone is obviously allowed their own interpretation until an official ruling is made. >> I guess it doesn't match the SEB's either. I adjusted my Civic and RX7 rear shocks based on the load I was carrying, too, and I'd include that in C&C. I know I'm out of step with current thinking. I think ACR's, 1LE's, M030's, SS's, WS6's, Saleens should all start in SP, too! Obviously none of that flew... CHD From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 14:58:49 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: Smokerbros@aol.com, msirota@isc.upenn.edu, ottocrosser@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:57:42 PDT Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) Then let the proposal stand on it's merit - ask for an allowance to drill holes to allow shock adjustment. That seems more straightforward than trying to leverage the C&C rule to put faux speakers in, then remove them to adjust the shocks. KeS >From: Smokerbros@aol.com >Reply-To: Smokerbros@aol.com >To: msirota@isc.upenn.edu, ottocrosser@hotmail.com >CC: autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:36:08 EDT > >In a message dated 8/18/2000 11:39:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >msirota@isc.upenn.edu writes: > ><< Is it a performance advantage? Yes, it can be. Some cars just have > some weaknesses, and access to the top of the shock towers might just > be one of those weaknesses. If that means that you can't make > adjustments between runs on that car, that's part of the design of that > car. There's nothing in the rulebook that says that you're allowed to > change that. >> > >I maintain that: >1) it equalizes cars that can't make the adjustment without the hole to >those >that can. >2) it's comfort and convenience to not have to A) either drive around >every >day on your autocross settings or B) take things apart before and after the >autocross. > >I do accept that making adjustments between runs is an advantage, but when >I >ran C/S in my RX-7 I had to run against Miatae and MR-2s that can adjust >shocks without panel removal. Didn't seem fair, until I was given the >"tweeter" idea... > >CHD > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 15:10:22 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:09:39 -0400 Subject: Entries Updates The entry list was updated. 39 in A Stock, 5X in CP. Matt Murray Former Y2K DTN admin ************************************** Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 ************************************* mattm@optonline.net From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 15:32:28 2000 From: Bill Ozinga To: "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:33:00 -0700 Subject: Re: 4sale - Neon Wheels and Magic Tires (Gone!) These are sold! ---------------------------------------- Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com Webmaster - The Tire Rack http://www.tirerack.com Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 Order your tires online! ---------------------------------------- > > Posted for one of my coworkers who just sold his Neon ACR... > > Neon Wheels and Tires For Sale > > Qty-4 1995 Neon ACR alloy wheels 14x6" - white w/no centercaps, excellent > condition. $100 for the set > > Qty-4 195/60R14 BFG R1 230 full tread depth - used once in the rain, so just > scuffed. Special rain compound from RunOffs @ MidOhio. $300 for the set. > > Special Deal: Buy the wheels and tires mounted for $350 > > Prices are plus shipping or pick them up at the Tire Rack in South Bend, IN. > No, he isn't going to Kansas. > > Don't reply to me, email Max Jones directly - max@tirerack.com for details > or call the phone# below and ask for Max at ext. 367 > > > ---------------------------------------- > Bill Ozinga - webmaster@tirerack.com > Webmaster - The Tire Rack > http://www.tirerack.com > Ph.(888)541-1777 or (219)287-2345 > Order your tires online! > ---------------------------------------- > > > > From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 16:05:48 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Randy Chase'" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:04:34 -0500 Subject: RE: Go Karts Topeka I dunno, have you seen me lately? 6'1", 270#. 1% of which would be a fairly good sized chunk. ;^) OR.... She didn't miss many parts. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- > Seriously. That was the best $50 I spent at last years nationals. A 99% > full body massage Mathematically, I have to wonder about the percentages. I am not sure I would want to publicly state that the parts she did not massage were 1% or less. :-P P.S. After the Karts. You may need it. Randy Chase "good, good...good vibrations" -Beach Boys From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 16:42:57 2000 From: "Bill Fuhrmann" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:37:07 -0500 Subject: RE: Shock access - am I stupid? > What is the majority opinion: is the drilling as a fundimental > act the problem > or the "weight removal" of holes and the like. Here is my perspective: The creation of a hole specifically to make the car faster is the problem. Without the hole, the person cannot adjust the car as quickly at the event. In theory, they can make their car faster by adjusting it to the conditions at the event. This is an adjustment that was not allowed by the factory or taken into account when the car was classed. > If I could drill some sort of beveled hole in which I could > securely fasten my > interior trim (cap, panel, whatever) back on in it's original > spot, would anyone > consider that illegal? No illegal holes were drilled to facilitate > installation, just to get to the adjustment. Your removable panel would be illegal. At a local event, no one would care. At a national event where there is prestige and cash on the line, you wouldn't want to bet on them not caring. This is where the speaker loophole comes in. It IS legal to make holes to mount speakers. If your speaker just happens to be in a perfect location to allow it to be removed and the adjustment made, it doesn't affect the legality mounting the speaker. This is a difficulty of writing permissive rules. Once in a while, someone finds a creative way to do something that was not intended. > My RX-7 has two trim pieces that snap off to allow full access to > the top of the > rear shocks. I submit that you could 'engineer' the same thing > on any car. The engineering is easy. However, the car's maker didn't make the adjustment possible as the car was designed. Your car maker did. Mine did. Two screws that come out with a quarter as a screw driver and two that have wings for removal without tools allow Koni's adjusting knob to be used to adjust them. with a small pliers, they would be adjustable without even removing the two covers. However, there is no way to do the fronts without taking the shocks off. There is no way I could come up with an acceptable reason to put a hole in the necessary position that would fit the C&C rule. From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 17:06:51 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:05:41 EDT Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? First, shock top access is not an issue on an Rx7TT. Second, the SEB has already issued a statement stating that drilling, cutting, etc. through interior panel, sheetmetal, etc. for the *explicit* sole function of shock adjustment is not allowed. Third, if you win Nat's there are those among us who will protest you for a misplaced gnat dropping if it means they move up a spot. Anything else is just pointless drivel. If you have an issue, write a letter. Until then, this is just the way it is. M Sipe From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 17:09:58 2000 From: "Brian Berryhill" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:05:46 -0500 Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) > << So some cars which cannot adjust camber should be allowed to slot their > strut mounting holes, because other cars in the same class come with > adjustable camber? >> > > No, all cars should be allowed to get 2 degrees negative by slotting, etc., > and all cars should be limited to that as a maximum... Another of my > brilliant ideas that got shot down in committee... I think for stock classes, the alignments should have to be within the manufacturer's specs. Every manufacturer uses alignment settings that they deem appropriate for that car, and it's usually not optimal for autox. So, using crash bolts should be legal, but only to keep the car within the manufacturer's specs. However, for street prepared, street touring and above, I think alignment should be free. Whether it means using crash bolts, eccentric bolts, slotting, grooving, grinding, etc. There is usually an optimal alignment, and I think a SP/ST car should be able to get it. > > << Some cars with narrower rims should be allowed the same width as the > widest in the class? > > These "leveling the playing field" arguments rarely hold water under > close scrutiny. >> I think to keep prices of stock classes down, only stock wheels should be used, not lightweight derivatives of the same measurements. I assume wheels are considered a replaceable item like shocks and exhausts in stock class? Brian -- Brian Berryhill http://www.angelfire.com/ms/brianberryhill/ ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 17:09:58 2000 From: "Brian Berryhill" To: "Autox" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:05:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? > The creation of a hole specifically to make the car faster is the problem. > Without the hole, the person cannot adjust the car as quickly at the event. > In theory, they can make their car faster by adjusting it to the conditions > at the event. This is an adjustment that was not allowed by the factory or > taken into account when the car was classed. Hmm... on a humorous note, whenever I adjust my struts during an autocross, I either slow down or spin out, so would it be legal for my car since it doesn't make me faster? :) As for the drilling holes for shock access thing, maybe 4 one-inch holes should be allowed at the car owner's discretion? However, I do understand that its just one of those rules that we have to live with. I was thinking... for my rear strut bar, I had to drill holes in plastic, about 1" in diameter for the bar to fit through. I hope that's legal. But, what would stop me from drilling a 5" hole to put a 1" bar through? Are there rules saying that the bar should not displace more plastic than it has to? Brian -- Brian Berryhill http://www.angelfire.com/ms/brianberryhill/ ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 17:13:36 2000 From: jon e prevo To: elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:07:24 -0500 Subject: Re: need tires I carry the Kumho Ecsta HP4, the 722 touring and the 732 touring. All are excellent tires, the HP4 is H-speed rated and 360/A/A. The 722 and 732 are both T-speed rated and 360/A/B. The 722 is a better inclement-weather design than the 732 but the HP4 is better than both. Jon FP 73 On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:47:54 -0500 "Linnhoff, Eric" writes: > Yeah, what's up with that Bill O.? Might you carry the other K > street tires > once the Kumho sales get better? > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > 1998 Dodge Neon R/T > #69 DS #13 TLS > eric10mm@qni.com > > "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an > ocean. > But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." > Mother Teresa > > > -----Original Message----- > also Kumho does make the wonderful ESCTA 712 in 185/55/14 which is > bigger > then the numbers suggest > on a 6" rim it is 7.60" wide and 22" tall > > now for some strange reason Tire rack decided NOT to carry the 14" > tires or > the 711but if you check kumho's website > Or call 1800-hi-kumho you can find a dealer near you or mail order > that > can help.. From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 17:12:48 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:11:14 PDT Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? The former. You can't go drilling holes and manufacturing bits to tweak your car in Stock class. I'm sorry, it's wrong. Can you drill holes in your firewall to make your front swaybar adjustable between runs? It's sure more convenient that way. Can you drill holes in your hood to make it easier to spray down the radiator between runs? Why not? It doesn't make any difference if you stuff the holes with speakers, fuzzy dice, or red herring. You're modifying the car to give yourself a competitive advantage during autocross competition. What happened to the "modifications may serve no other purpose" clause? If you want to mount speakers on top of your shock towers, go right ahead. If you use those holes to adjust your shocks during an event, they aren't speaker holes, they're shock adjustment access ports and you're cheating. KeS >From: Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com >To: "Kevin Stevens" >CC: autox@autox.team.net >Subject: Shock access - am I stupid? >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:20:44 -0700 > > > >What is the majority opinion: is the drilling as a fundimental act the >problem >or the "weight removal" of holes and the like. Here is my perspective: > >If I could drill some sort of beveled hole in which I could securely fasten >my >interior trim (cap, panel, whatever) back on in it's original spot, would >anyone >consider that illegal? No illegal holes were drilled to facilitate >installation, just to get to the adjustment. > >My RX-7 has two trim pieces that snap off to allow full access to the top >of the >rear shocks. I submit that you could 'engineer' the same thing on any car. > >Thoughts? > >AB > > > > >"Kevin Stevens" on 08/18/2000 01:07:00 PM > >Please respond to "Kevin Stevens" > >To: ottocrosser@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net >cc: (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) > >Subject: Why shock access is an issue. > > > > >Ok... > >How about not wanting to cut holes in a new car that you intend to sell (or >have leased)? > >More importantly, take the case of Driver A who is shopping for shocks. >The >most wonderfullest shocks for the car cost only $10, but the adjustment >can't be reached with the shocks on the car. Since there's no provision >for >cutting holes in the car in the rulebook, Driver A buys the next most >wonderful shocks, which don't work quite as well and cost $5000, but have >the adjustment knob where it can be reached. > >Driver B comes along, says "to hell with this", buys the $10 shocks, and >cuts a "speaker hole" in the car to access them. > >Now either Driver A is out $5000 and needs to cut up his car, or Driver B >has to buy a new panel and get a new mortgage. > >**The preparation choices we make depend on the rulings of the SEB.** >THAT's why these discussions are important and relevant. > >KeS > >My position on this particular matter remains the same - just because you >can cut a hole for speakers shouldn't imply that hole can be used for other >purposes i.e. shock adjustment access port. > > >From: "Otto Crosser" > >Reply-To: "Otto Crosser" > >To: autox@autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) > >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:44:09 EDT > > > >So can somebody please explain in great detail why these holes are such a > >performance advantage? Is it the 2 oz. of weight savings? The >structural > >weakening of the car? I'm sick of hearing about all these protests over > >microscopic technicalities. Hasn't anyone heard of sportsmanship these > >days? > > > > Otto > > > > > > >From: Scott Meyers > > >Reply-To: Scott Meyers > > >To: Mark Sirota > > >CC: Smokerbros@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net > > >Subject: Re: Rear Shock Access for Lotii > > >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:39:19 -0700 > > > > > >Mark Sirota wrote: > > > > > > > Smokerbros@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Can you spell "inconsistent?" > > > > > > > > No, it's not. It's not the same thing at all. The ASP issue was >that > > > > the shocks poked the hole itself, due to being placed close to the > > > > fiberglass, and lots of Lotus flex. It's standard wear and tear, >much > > > > unlike the holes drilled in interior panels. > > > > > >So, if MH had drilled some holes for access *before* the shocks poked >the > > >holes it would be OK? > > > > > >Say, I think I saw him do just that :-) > > > > > >Scott Meyers > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 17:18:10 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: jemitchell@compuserve.com, Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:16:04 PDT Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? >Strictly speaking, modifying your car to facilitate shock >adjustability is not allowed in the rules. Practically speaking, >I don't care. I suspect you'll find that most competitors don't >care about things like this. But it only takes one who _does_ >care to file a protest. If I were on a PC considering an item >such as this, I'd conclude two things: 1. It's not allowed by the >rules, and 2. It's immaterial, ergo no penalty is required. But >that's just one person's viewpoint. Ok, now take the scenario where my competitor and I have identical shocks which cannot be adjusted at the event unless an access port is cut. He does it, I don't. We both have major oversteer after first runs, running equivalent times. He adjusts his rear shocks. I can't. On second and third runs his times are .2 faster than mine. I protest. Do you still see that as illegal but immaterial? It's by no means a far-fetched scenario... KeS ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 18:41:13 2000 From: Paul Cezanne To: "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:39:32 -0400 Subject: RE: Shock access - am I stupid? >This is where the speaker loophole comes in. It IS legal to make holes to >mount speakers. If your speaker just happens to be in a perfect location to >allow it to be removed and the adjustment made, it doesn't affect the >legality mounting the speaker. But it seems to me that that speaker had better be in place during the entire competitive portion of the event. You pull the speaker to tweak the shock after your run, that's not legal now IMHO. Goes against the intent (yeah, vague) of the rule. pZ -- Paul Cezanne (formerly Czarnecki) Please consider buying my wife's new book, The Illusionist, (http://www.JeannetteAngell.com) and then help the UN feed the world for free @ http://www.TheHungerSite.com From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 19:05:58 2000 From: Rob Foley To: Kathy Barnes <74363.121@compuserve.com>, teamdotnet Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:04:55 -0400 Subject: Assistant Big Cheeses...I Mean Chiefs..Needed Plum Solo II Nationals Work Assignments are available. 2 Assistant Chiefs of Workers are needed. This will involve two days of working opposite your run days. If you have plans to be in Topeka for the week one of these positions could be yours. If interested contact Kathy Barnes, Chief of Workers, at KJBarnes@compuserve.com From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 19:33:05 2000 From: "Ron Conrad" To: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:31:37 -0500 Subject: 2000 CenDiv Solo II Championship photos from last weekend...mostly 2nd heat, some 1st heat I took a few pictures between my first heat runs, and a picture of almost everyone in 2nd heat. I worked course 3rd heat, and helped my boy with his Jr. Kart 4th heat so no photos from those heats. STS was won by Brian Priebe in his Subaru Impreza. He was 0.037 ahead of me Saturday, and I was 0.090 ahead of Manabu Harada in his Prelude. No one could catch Brian Sunday, I got within a second. Nice drive Brian. I won't be driving STS at Nationals...I'm going to be a "Tire Warmer" in a D/SP Fiat. I will run the ProSolo finale in STS. enjoy...captions to follow. Ron Conrad - STS #25 86 Honda Civic Si with 388 Thousand Miles (not 250 Thousand as announce on the PA) http://fwrscca.fwi.com/cendiv2000.htm From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 19:35:21 2000 From: Rick Brown To: Randy Chase , autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:33:11 -0700 Subject: RE: Slipping Clutch Question Try reving it up and dumping the clutch in 3rd gear. If the engine dies, the clutch is probably ok. If the clutch slips instead, it probably does so autocrossing. Rick Brown BP Corvette -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Randy Chase Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 12:43 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Slipping Clutch Question Hi, lately my clutch has been slipping. Not abnormal, in that I change my clutch every couple years...and I have been teaching my daughter to drive my car (hmmm, the smell of burnt clutch!). I have normally ignored the slip, as I thought it only affected the length of time until the clutch engages. In fact, I found for autocrossing, a new grabby clutch was worse as far as upsetting the car. A slipping clutch actually mechanically smoothed the shift transitions. But, it occurs to me, if the clutch was slipping during a non-shifting point also, that would be a bad thing...as you are in effect losing power. The question is, does the clutch when it slips on shifting also slip after engagement is made? I might have to scramble before nats and add this to my list of stuff to be done (windshield is braking) in the next few weeks. Thanks! Randy Chase '91 MR2 NA (slight overheating..head gasket?...cracked windshield....needs body work and a paint job....suspension whacked from hitting a wall...throttle cable causing idle to be way high....and now a slipping clutch) From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 19:49:14 2000 From: John Lieberman To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:47:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? Thank you ALL for your input on this issue. It seems to be the general consensus that there are plenty of other jobs we can assign the kids to do that will keep them OFF the active course. I'll share your input with the rest of the SSC. But, IMNSHO, we shouldn't have to bounce around all over the rulebook looking for those other duties. That's why we think it should either be incorporated as a part of 2.1.N or at least referenced there to Appendix I.2.B.4. Thanks, again, for all your help. BTW, if you're a licensed SSS, I would hope that by now you've received your August issue of the Safety Belt. If you have, we would certainly welcome your reaction. If you haven't, just hang on. It should show up in your mailbox in the next day or so. We're also working on getting the Safety Belt posted to the official SCCA website so EVERYBODY can have access to it. John (Old Fartz & TLS #37) Lieberman From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 20:03:01 2000 From: "Eric Buckley" To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:08:52 -0500 Subject: RE: DSP, was Nationals entries Brad Cox wrote: > Seems to me it's basically a question of development. Guys > like Steve H. have been working on their Fiat's for years. > They've figured out what works and what doesn't, as well as > learning to get EVERYTHING out of the car while on course. I > think that a Neon, or a GSR developed to the same extent > could be quite a competitor. I agree. In fact I'll go out on a bit of a limb and predict that the GSR is actually the class sleeper. Furthermore, since there's a gigantic Honda aftermarket, sorting the car out shouldn't be that tough. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm a good enough driver to prove it. > Since the GSR's come loaded, there's a lot of weight that > could be legally removed. With ALL the tweaks, it could > probably come in around 2400 lbs (starts at 2600). Actually, it starts at 2700, but you can get it down to 2600 in stock by removing the A/C, spare tire, and running the tank empty. That's right, I run between 1 and 2 gallons. The fuel pump has a sufficient reservoir to keep the engine supplied even on long turns. > IMO, a > GSR might be the one to give the Fiats a run for their money. > Under SP rules, you can basically turn a GSR into a Type-R, > and even though the horsies are little, they sure can > giddy-up. ;-) Integras are able to make good use of that > super high power band because they're very "rowable" compared > to a lot of other cars. Beef up the suspension some, and add > the requisite 'CSP' tires to your 190hp "Type R look-alike", > and I think we may be looking at another class shuffling. 8-) Closer to 200hp at the flywheel, but I'm afraid you're still looking at only about 150 lb-ft of torque. What makes the car so good is the handling. Note that the STR index is only about half a second off DSP and realize the GSR is responsible for that number. Yeah, I know, not a national class and all that, but the consensus is that the STR index is *soft*. I'm planning on giving it a try next year. Perhaps some national-caliber driver would care to join me? Eric Buckley 7STR: 98 Integra GSR St Louis Region From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 21:29:20 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: oblique@alum.mit.edu Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:16:29 EDT Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? In a message dated 8/18/00 7:43:10 PM Central Daylight Time, oblique@alum.mit.edu writes: << You pull the speaker to tweak the shock after your run, that's not legal now IMHO. Goes against the intent (yeah, vague) of the rule. >> Intent means *nothing*. Only the strict wording carrys weight for a protest ruling. Comfort and Convenience Rules! M Sipe - learned this the hard way, so will you eventually From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 21:30:18 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: kevin_stevens@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:12:58 EDT Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? In a message dated 8/18/00 6:14:51 PM Central Daylight Time, kevin_stevens@hotmail.com writes: << It doesn't make any difference if you stuff the holes with speakers, fuzzy dice, or red herring. >> Oh, but it does, whether you like it or not. That's just the way it is; deal with it. I think Mark Sirota said it best, in so many words; the rules are the rules. Working them to your advantage is all part of the sport. Blabbing on about how you disagree with it changes nothing. M Sipe -this is real feudin', talent show be damned M Sipe From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 22:15:31 2000 From: Eric Ford To: ax-digest@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:32:09 -0400 Subject: Need tires(yet another) Hi, I'm kinda new to the sport been doing it for about 2 years now, does that still make me new to a sport?, who knows. Well anyway, I'm ready to give running sticky compound tires a try, I'd love to jump right in with both feet and buy a set of tires, if I knew for sure that, they would be right for me, well anyhow I am looking to outfit my car with a set of 225/50/16's or 205/55/16's I'd love to be able to find a set of used, but not completely exhausted tires, if anyone has any ideas, please feel free to contact me. Eric Ford (in Pennsylvania) 99 Cougar #4STS(GS) PSCC, "I may not be the fastest, but I sure have a blast" "....get pushed off the Farm lot lately?" From autox-owner Fri Aug 18 22:33:39 2000 From: "Brian Beckman" To: brianbec6@hotmail.com, nwautox@wwscc.org, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:32:31 PDT Subject: Physics of Racing Part 18 Second half of "Advanced Racing Line" http://www.geocities.com/brianbec6/phors018.zip for Windows http://www.geocities.com/brianbec6/phors018.sit for Macintosh feedback welcome, as always ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 00:04:09 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Paul Cezanne" , "Team.Net" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:55:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? What rule says that between runs you can not remove the entire interior of your car as long as it's properly in place before your next run? Nothing. Same with the speaker in question. I would however say that said speaker should be fastened down during all competition runs. In other words, the speaker should not be just sitting loose in the hole but attached with screws, tape, glue, whatever. But a loose speaker would be very hard to protest someone on. Sorry, try again Paul. Loopholes are found by the crafty. Don't like it? Write a letter and get the rule rewritten. BTW, in my opinion any stereo mods are C&C items and there's absolutely no reason why a speaker could not be removed between runs. Oh my, there's a shock below the speaker, guess I should adjust it some. Sorry, that's perfectly legal. For now. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >>This is where the speaker loophole comes in. It IS legal to make holes to >>mount speakers. If your speaker just happens to be in a perfect location to >>allow it to be removed and the adjustment made, it doesn't affect the >>legality mounting the speaker. > >But it seems to me that that speaker had better be in place during >the entire competitive portion of the event. You pull the speaker to >tweak the shock after your run, that's not legal now IMHO. Goes >against the intent (yeah, vague) of the rule. > >pZ -- Paul Cezanne (formerly Czarnecki) From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 00:06:44 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "John Lieberman" , Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:58:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Need help; FJr drivers allowed to work??? Yeah, I've got a reaction. Who in their right mind decided to let Pickrell write a column?? ;^) Eric (head Badger irritator) Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >BTW, if you're a licensed SSS, I would hope that by now you've >received your August issue of the Safety Belt. If you have, we would >certainly welcome your reaction. From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 00:52:05 2000 From: Stephen Bernard To: brianberryhill@usa.net Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:58:04 -0400 Subject: Re: (insert location) Shock Access for (insert car) > I think for stock classes, the alignments should have to be within > the > manufacturer's specs. Every manufacturer uses alignment settings > that they > deem appropriate for that car, and it's usually not optimal for > autox. So, Have you seen the alignment specs that Mazda uses for the Miata? Their stock specs which vary between night and day differences mean that you'd have a car that really sucked on the street. The way the current rules are allow you to adjust the alignment within it's maximum allowable tolerances ie: you can't add spacers etc... The way my Miata came from the dealership sucked so bad it might as well not have even had an alignment! Alignments cannot be easily modified on the grid, maybe some Mod cars, but I doubt it. Shock adjustment points are a far cry from an alignment. If the SEB wants to enforce this rule I have no idea how they would actually do it except to provide an alignment machine to verify that the protest is invalid. I hope the protest money would be astro-F-ing-nomical so that it wouldn't be a point on contention. Alignments are free in the rules lets not change them and make it any worse than it already is. Gawd! I really hope I can get into Mod class next year and avoid all this. Steve Bernard Red '99 Miata (B-Stock) NER Region (Novice Class) mailto:Solo-2@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 00:59:26 2000 From: HAVOCDEAN@aol.com To: Autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 02:58:36 EDT Subject: Ladies going to Topeka Hi, First, Thanks to those who have responded. Please do so again because I deleted some responses cause I'm stupit!!!!!!!!! Second, I need more!!!!!!!!!!!! Not enough have responded yet and its getting close. Make history, and be part of something that is normally boring and make it exciting!!!!!! Its going to be a alot of fun!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dean Sapp ( Self appointed social director) of the 2000 Solo 2 Nationals From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 01:52:20 2000 From: "Rick" To: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 03:36:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Cheatin' Was:DSP Neon As a long time Briggs racer and tuner, I can tell you that while "creative rules interpitation" is common in Briggs karting. It's agreed by most kartracers that working on driving skills and handling will yield better results than any illegal engine modifications. Might work on them Neons too. Rick ( we use IKF legal 2cycle engines for autocross ) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 12:06 PM Subject: Cheatin' Was:DSP Neon > Eric was talking Briggs karts here, folks.... > In F125 we are ALLOWED to modify the engines extensively. > I have read of European engines making in excess of 50 HP, > although they are not legal in the U.S. Here, a really twisted up > one can make 43 HP, but the power band is so high and skinny > that 6 gears doesn't seem like enough. Not a good autocross > motor at all. > > Alan Sheidler > Running a STOCK (as in never been apart from the Honda factory) > CR125. Even have the original jetting..... > > > >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:04:31 -0500 > >From: "Eric Linnhoff" > >Just talk to any former go-kart folks. They know all the cool ways to cheat > >in a "spec" class with rules similar to our Stock Class rules. From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 06:33:05 2000 From: "Woody" To: "Jeff Lloyd" , Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 08:37:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Where in SP is the BMW 328? But no 328s were built in Spartanburg. Woody Hair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lloyd" Now if it is one of the > ones built > In Spartanburg it can go into ESP, which says > > "all American inline 6 V-6 and V-8 sedans and pickups NOC" > > But that is stretching it From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 07:13:54 2000 From: Ronald Nottingham To: "autocross list" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:17:18 -0400 Subject: This Month's Car Craft What?!? Car Craft? That's a drag racin' magazine for them boys still stuck in the 60s and 70s. Well, their machinery may be, but in this month's issue, they went AXing! With a 502ci big-block Chebby Chevelle. With 90-10 drag shocks no less! No clue what class they were put into, the article didn't say, but I'd assume it wasn't stock.... ;-) All they wanted to do was beat them 'import boys'. Well, at least we're getting more exposure! Ron N. - Dalton, GA 84 300ZXT (GRM $2001 Challenger) IZCC# 4779 TLS#30 From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 08:15:56 2000 From: "Williams" To: "James Rogerson" , "Autox" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:07:32 -0500 Subject: Re: seaons? No, James, I think he means seasoning the tires. Up north they get them really cold and put salt on them. Down here we just keep them in the slow cooker for months on end with a dash of armadillo sauce. Bryan Williams Beer Money Racing 100+ in College Station again today, but deer season is coming up, so heading out to the lease to clear some brush -----Original Message----- From: James Rogerson To: Autox Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 1:51 PM Subject: seaons? >Are seasoned tires those that have been heat cycled too many times? > >Oh wait, it the annual we get to compete just four months and you run all year so why aren't you any better discussion. > > >James Rogerson >[FP #125] - Techless Racing >"Nails are glue, hypothetically speaking" - Lou Fertile >"Men that like golf are unhappy at home and incapable of having a meaningful relationship with women" - Joseph Heller > >The census records were used in 1941-2 to identify, abduct and imprison innocent Japanese Americans. Be sure to fill out yours. Trust them. > > From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 08:17:58 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Rick" , Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:09:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Cheatin' Was:DSP Neon I agree. But when you're only working with single digit (or slightly more?) HP numbers even a half horsepower is significant. A similar increase on a Neon is totally unnoticable but a similar percentage increase in power might make a difference. All I'm saying is that there will always be those who are inclined to do such things, and they will find the ways. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." -Eleanor Roosevelt -----Original Message----- >As a long time Briggs racer and tuner, I can tell you that while "creative >rules interpitation" is common in Briggs karting. It's agreed by most >kartracers that working on driving skills and handling will yield better >results than any illegal engine modifications. Might work on them Neons too. > >Rick >( we use IKF legal 2cycle engines for autocross ) From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 08:26:21 2000 From: Jeff Cashmore To: "team.net" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:25:49 -0500 Subject: Shock access - am I stupid? "What is the majority opinion: is the drilling as a fundamental act the problem or the "weight removal" of holes and the like. My RX-7 has two trim pieces that snap off to allow full access to the top of the rear shocks. I submit that you could 'engineer' the same thing on any car. Thoughts? AB" Ok, I'll vote. Don't allow it. When we start to 'engineer' anything on stock cars they aren't stock anymore. You'd be opening up a big can o'worms/slippery slope/etc. I agree with Mark Sirota. Some cars get camber, wide rims, more power, easy shock access, etc. and some don't. We class the cars based on the complete package. You know the cars strengths & weaknesses before you choose it. Leveling the playing field stuff just increases the cost to be competitive. Jeff Cashmore From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 08:35:20 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Jeff Cashmore" , "team.net" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:26:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? Oh come now. We all know exactly how the SCCA feels about parity and leveling the playing field in the "stock" classes. Two words for you: Trunk kits. So why not allow some "engineering" into Solo2 Stock Class vehicles? Obviously if the factory can't be bothered to produce cars that are up to the task then it's up to the aftermarket and the individual car owner. (Tongue so firmly in cheek I'm getting cramps.) Eric (seriously, I'm kidding) Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other animals.......except weasels." Homer Simpson -----Original Message----- >Ok, I'll vote. Don't allow it. When we start to 'engineer' anything on >stock cars they aren't stock anymore. You'd be opening up a big can >o'worms/slippery slope/etc. I agree with Mark Sirota. Some cars get >camber, wide rims, more power, easy shock access, etc. and some don't. >We class the cars based on the complete package. You know the cars >strengths & weaknesses before you choose it. Leveling the playing field >stuff just increases the cost to be competitive. > >Jeff Cashmore From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 08:39:22 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: autox mailing list Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? Howdy, On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com wrote: > If I could drill some sort of beveled hole in which I could securely fasten my > interior trim (cap, panel, whatever) back on in it's original spot, would anyone > consider that illegal? No illegal holes were drilled to facilitate > installation, just to get to the adjustment. ... > Thoughts? It ought to be legal and most folks wouldn't protest. However, according to a strict reading of the rules, its not legal and _some_ folks would protest on (what are to me idiotic) grounds that easy access to adjustability wasn't taken into account when they classed the car. Mark From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 09:30:40 2000 From: "Dan Hill" To: autox@autox.team.net, deanslist@egroups.com Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:28:48 CDT Subject: Street Prepared Rules Question I am going to rebuild my motor after nationals and was wondering if a valve angle job is legal in SP? If it isn't beside milling the micro amount can anything be done to the head? Thanks alot. Dan 27 ESP To: "Eric Linnhoff" , "Jeff Cashmore" , Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:17:37 -0400 Subject: RE: Shock access - am I stupid? LOL, there is already a parity producing leveler in effect it's called classing Now if we would stop trying to class cars by price, style, color, and what type of People like them. Instead of what we are supposed to do which is class by autocross Potential we will have a much better time. And it will not be a big issue to bump a car to a lower/higher class since the classes will be closer Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Eric Linnhoff Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 10:27 AM To: Jeff Cashmore; team.net Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? Oh come now. We all know exactly how the SCCA feels about parity and leveling the playing field in the "stock" classes. Two words for you: Trunk kits. So why not allow some "engineering" into Solo2 Stock Class vehicles? Obviously if the factory can't be bothered to produce cars that are up to the task then it's up to the aftermarket and the individual car owner. (Tongue so firmly in cheek I'm getting cramps.) Eric (seriously, I'm kidding) Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other animals.......except weasels." Homer Simpson -----Original Message----- >Ok, I'll vote. Don't allow it. When we start to 'engineer' anything on >stock cars they aren't stock anymore. You'd be opening up a big can >o'worms/slippery slope/etc. I agree with Mark Sirota. Some cars get >camber, wide rims, more power, easy shock access, etc. and some don't. >We class the cars based on the complete package. You know the cars >strengths & weaknesses before you choose it. Leveling the playing field >stuff just increases the cost to be competitive. > >Jeff Cashmore From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 11:55:46 2000 From: will@kalman.org (Will Kalman) To: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:02:48 -0700 Subject: Re: This Month's Car Craft I was there to watch it run. Quite entertaining. It was like a Puma at a cat show. Results: http://www.solo2.com/mayresults.htm >What?!? Car Craft? That's a drag racin' magazine for them boys still stuck >in the 60s and 70s. Well, their machinery may be, but in this month's >issue, they went AXing! With a 502ci big-block Chebby Chevelle. With 90-10 >drag shocks no less! No clue what class they were put into, the article >didn't say, but I'd assume it wasn't stock.... ;-) All they wanted to do >was beat them 'import boys'. Well, at least we're getting more exposure! > >Ron N. - Dalton, GA >84 300ZXT (GRM $2001 Challenger) >IZCC# 4779 TLS#30 > > From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 13:57:14 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:55:09 -0400 Subject: DTN Snail Mail Contributions I know have checks from: Phil Ethier Paul Cezanne John Lieberman Matt Murray Former Y2K DTN admin ************************************** Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 ************************************* mattm@optonline.net From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 15:43:07 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:40:40 -0500 Subject: MEMO from St. Louis Region This year, in order to help our regions attendance at the Nationals, we instituted a plan in which we would pay the entry fee of any FIRST time ST. LOUIS REGION member who attended. Unfortunately, this news was copied in the RE Newsletter without the disclaimer of "St. Louis Region Members Only." Apparently, it has also been printed in several other clubs newsletters! As nice as we are, we can't afford to pay the entry fee for any FIRST timer across the country :) If any of you run across this news item, please get the word out about that minor little detail that was missing! Thanks for your help! Dave Dave Whitworth dave@wcsllc.net Environtrol Corporation Asthma and Allergy Care Supplies www.environtrol.com From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 16:24:10 2000 From: Derek Butts To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:12:16 -0700 Subject: Nationals Co-Drive Hey All, Since my car's new owner is already committed to another nationals class I would like to offer a co-drive in C-Stock. The 2nd generation MR2 is completely set-up and ready. I would prefer someone who would otherwise not attend nationals but at this late stage I am flexible. Please e-mail me if interested. Thanks, Derek Butts CS MR2 AS MR2 GS? IS 300 From autox-owner Sat Aug 19 21:42:33 2000 From: Kevin Wenzel To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Pikes Peak Tour results, day 1 Results for the first day of the Pikes Peak National Tour are available at: http://nt.rmsolo.org/day1.html -- Kevin Wenzel kwenzel@rmsolo.org From autox-owner Sun Aug 20 01:24:50 2000 From: "Steven T. Ekstrand" To: "Ronald Nottingham" , Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:18:04 -0700 Subject: Re: This Month's Car Craft The Car Craft guys ran Time Onlys at Hollywood Park (Los Angeles) back in May. They made 10 runs. It was interesting! The finish that month was insanely tight. Not easy for the big cars to get through, much less 502ci Big Block Chevelle set up for the Strip! It would have been more fun to see them take on the Norton AFB course we ran in June. Even my stock Dakota was relatively quick on that course. The Chevelle's best run was an 87.68 For comparison- HS winner was 90.85 GS winner was 84.28 FS winner was 77.57 SS winner was 72.60 Our lowly and underrated truck class had three guys running in the 70's. Scary... -STE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Nottingham" To: "autocross list" Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 6:17 AM Subject: This Month's Car Craft | What?!? Car Craft? That's a drag racin' magazine for them boys still stuck | in the 60s and 70s. Well, their machinery may be, but in this month's | issue, they went AXing! With a 502ci big-block Chebby Chevelle. With 90-10 | drag shocks no less! No clue what class they were put into, the article | didn't say, but I'd assume it wasn't stock.... ;-) All they wanted to do | was beat them 'import boys'. Well, at least we're getting more exposure! | | Ron N. - Dalton, GA | 84 300ZXT (GRM $2001 Challenger) | IZCC# 4779 TLS#30 | | | From autox-owner Sun Aug 20 08:42:03 2000 From: Roger Johnson To: "Team. Net" Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:50:04 -0500 Subject: Pro Solo Grid Anyone know how many cars are in a pro solo grid (not including Pre-Grid)? Please respond direct to me since I am on digest (rjohnson@ghg.net) Thanks signed: Roger Johnson (Houston course designer variety - not the "Great") From autox-owner Sun Aug 20 11:21:30 2000 From: John Kelly <76067.1750@compuserve.com> To: "Team.net" Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:16:33 -0400 Subject: Pylon for August 2000 The August 2000 issue of North American Pylon went into the mail, Friday, Aug. 18, 2000 in San Francisco, CA. Subscribers should be receiving their copies within the week. This month Dick Berger provides his annual predictions on who will win the Solo II National CHampionships. His list is slightly different than Sports Car's. We cover: BFG CenDiv championships #3 and #4 in Converse and Grand Blanc. NASA's Virginia chapter at Virginia Motorsports Park. SCCA National Tour at Bremerton, WA. David Hironaka of Las Vegas wins the Wendover Pro Solo. Atlanta Region does a meet at Road Atlanta. San Francisco Region at Marina (CA) Airport. Las Vegas Region does a night event at a Vegas casino. American Autocross Series does a pair at Mather Field, Rancho Cordova, CA. Snake River Region hosts a NorPac Divisional at Boise, ID. New England Region stages its 4th event in Ayer, MA. SoloTime's Midwest Divisional runs a former national course at Topeka, KS. John Sheally II wins his 30th class title at the National Morgan Meet. Plus columns by Pat Kelly, Warren Leveque, Katie Kelly, Editor John Kelly, Lorenzo the Scribe, J.D. Kemp, George Ryan. Our road test is on the Mercedes E-55, a hot number. Plus our huge calendar, shrinking a bit as the season wears down, Garage Sale, cartoons, etc. We're at 28 pages this month. If you want to be in on all this, call 1-800-KT-KELLY and charge the $24 annual subscription price (for 12 monthly issues) to your Visa or MasterCard. Or, visit our web page at . U.S. snail mail works, too: P.O. Box 1203, Pleasanton, CA 94566-0120. --John Kelly, editor And our From autox-owner Sun Aug 20 13:39:51 2000 From: PbPied@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:38:45 EDT Subject: Tour Any news from the CO Tour? Alan From autox-owner Sun Aug 20 17:59:43 2000 From: Jeff Cashmore To: "team.net" Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:57:26 -0500 Subject: Ladies going to Topeka Dean wrote... "be part of something that is normally boring and make it exciting!!!!!!" Um, what? Dean's night life? :) Hey, you put it out over the plate, someone's gonna take a swing at it. :) -- Jeff Cashmore http://www.spec-rx7.org/~cashmo/wai.html = Wisconsin Autocrossers Inc http://www.spec-rx7.org = Spec Rx7 info From autox-owner Sun Aug 20 18:04:08 2000 From: Jeff Cashmore To: "team.net" Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:04:13 -0500 Subject: RE: DSP GSR's Brad wrote.. "I'll go out on a bit of a limb and predict that the GSR is actually the class sleeper" Before you go out on that limb too far see http://www.scca.org/amateur/prosolo2/2000/ft_myers/results.html for D Street Prepared Drivers: 8 Trophies: 3 1 7 Jim Susko 80 Fiat X1-S Yellow Hoosier DSQ 39.024(1) 45.930(4) 39.128(1) 36.320 39.614(1) 72.580 Findlay, OH G-Force Engr DSQ 39.401(1) 39.763(1) 37.633 39.638(1) 36.260 20 2 1 Mark Allen 97 Acura Integra White BFGoodrich RL 37.830 37.417 36.949 36.823 37.784 73.342 Jacksonville, FL Allen Motors/Comptech 40.869(2) 37.128 37.023 36.519 38.863(1) 38.664(1) (0.762) 16 Perhaps Mark needed more tuning/seat time but from what I heard they gave up on the project. FYI, the Allen's are signed up in HS for Nats. Jeff Cashmore From autox-owner Sun Aug 20 18:40:56 2000 From: Kevin Wenzel To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Tour On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 PbPied@aol.com wrote: > Any news from the CO Tour? (better results later - I apologize for any errors) SS: 1. Erik Strelnieks 98.821 2. Jason Isley 99.479 3. Beth McClure 100.128 4. Jim French 102.004 SSL: 1. Jennifer Isley 103.669 AS: 1. Paul Brown 100.482 2. Corky Newcombe 102.072 ASL: 1. Meredith Brown 104.102 BS: 1. Peter Raymond 100.160 2. Barry Ott 100.993 3. Bob Klingler 101.267 4. Jerry Bennington 101.500 CS: 1. Chuck Hanson 103.170 2. Rich Fletcher 103.235 CSL: 1. Marchell Fletcher 103.575 DS: 1. Aaron Miller 104.278 2. Kent Hamilton 106.216 3. Derek Walker 107.133 ES: 1. Bill Lamkin 105.668 FS: 1. Marc Segal 101.072 2. Wally Strzelec 102.049 3. Kevin Youngers 102.112 4. David Walker 105.624 FSL: 1. Suzanne Segal 107.231 GS: 1. Kevin McCormick 102.361 2. David Fauth 103.106 3. Brian Leduc 105.652 GSL: 1. Katie Elder 105.256 HS: 1. Mike Rogers 110.222 2. Mike Thompson 112.949 HSL: 1. Christine Rogers 123.566 BSP: 1. James Fingerman 99.424 CSP: 1. Dan Costello 99.084 2. Dan Pedroza 99.835 CSPL: 1. Melanie Costello 104.991 DSP: 1. Chris Dorsey 100.086 DSPL: 1. Kristi Blunt 107.136 ESP: 1. Bob Tunnell 96.678 2. Todd Green 97.886 3. Patty Tunnell 98.012 4. Brian Fitzpatrick 98.547 5. Rob Pickrell 98.815 6. Wayne Sartori 99.769 7. Mark Walker 99.844 FSP: 1. Kevin Wenzel 98.166 2. Iain Mannix 100.563 3. Matt Leicester 100.879 FSPL: 1. Kathy Wolfskill 103.763 BP: 1. Fred Blundell 99.905 CP: 1. Rick Walford 95.883 2. Mark Petty 96.952 3. Ron VerMulm 98.025 DP: 1. Dave Dutton 98.278 EP: 1. Todd Peck 95.612 EPL: 1. Linda Duncan 100.531 CM: 1. Ken Padilla 99.348 DM: 1. Andy Aust 94.625 EM: 1. Harlan Colburn 101.681 F125: 1. Jonathan Goodale 88.416 F125L: 1. Yvonne Short 96.835 STS: 1. Michael O'Neal 110.452 2. David Benson 110.566 3. Ashby Floyd 110.973 4. Seth Frader-Thompson 112.069 STR: 1. Grady Wood 107.271 SM: 1. Ron Fox 109.423 FJ: 1. Rachel Fox 112.466 -- Kevin Wenzel kwenzel@rmsolo.org FSP 199 From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 06:58:51 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:55:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Shock access - am I stupid? "Kevin Stevens" wrote: > You can't go drilling holes and manufacturing bits to tweak your car in > Stock class. Well... yeah, you can. As long as those tweaks are allowed under the rules. And as I recall, the rules specifically call out speaker holes etc. as being legal. > It doesn't make any difference if you stuff the holes with speakers, fuzzy > dice, or red herring. Sure it does. If the hole is filled with something allowable, it's legal. > If you want to mount speakers on top of your shock towers, go right ahead. > If you use those holes to adjust your shocks during an event, they aren't > speaker holes, they're shock adjustment access ports and you're cheating. Nope, can't agree with this - with one caveat: if the speakers are not in the holes while running, then they cease to be "speaker holes" and become something else. If, however, there's a speaker in the hole that is then pulled out in grid to make a shock adjustment, then that's legal. It may be a loophole, but it's a legal one. But to be honest, I think it's moot anyway. Anybody who would protest speaker holes because they facilitate shock adjustment would steal sheep. DG From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 07:31:31 2000 From: "John Gross" To: nottingham@alltel.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:30:00 GMT Subject: Re: This Month's Car Craft Yeah, but did you notice that they auto-x'd on DragLites? Not the most intelligent idea I've ever seen... >From: Ronald Nottingham >Reply-To: Ronald Nottingham >To: "autocross list" >Subject: This Month's Car Craft >Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:17:18 -0400 > >What?!? Car Craft? That's a drag racin' magazine for them boys still >stuck >in the 60s and 70s. Well, their machinery may be, but in this month's >issue, they went AXing! With a 502ci big-block Chebby Chevelle. With >90-10 >drag shocks no less! No clue what class they were put into, the article >didn't say, but I'd assume it wasn't stock.... ;-) All they wanted to do >was beat them 'import boys'. Well, at least we're getting more exposure! > >Ron N. - Dalton, GA >84 300ZXT (GRM $2001 Challenger) >IZCC# 4779 TLS#30 > > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 07:38:52 2000 From: "Otto Crosser" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:38:01 EDT Subject: RE: Shock access - am I stupid? Ok, That settles it. Anyone who knows me will appreciate it if I mount some air fresheners in my car. I have the perfect place! OTTO > >Your removable panel would be illegal. At a local event, no one would >care. >At a national event where there is prestige and cash on the line, you >wouldn't want to bet on them not caring. > >This is where the speaker loophole comes in. It IS legal to make holes to >mount speakers. If your speaker just happens to be in a perfect location >to >allow it to be removed and the adjustment made, it doesn't affect the >legality mounting the speaker. > >This is a difficulty of writing permissive rules. Once in a while, someone >finds a creative way to do something that was not intended. > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 08:55:44 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:51:57 -0400 Subject: Motels in Perry I've got reports that many of the motels in Perry are saying they are full. I just talked to the Georgia Motorfest folks. They say that the Days Inn has just released 30 rooms. Days Inn & Suites 205 Lect Drive Perry, GA 31069 912-218-5200 Rate: $58 (Ask for GMF-Georgia Motor Fest) Note: Newest hotel in Perry, on same exit as Fairgrounds Also, you may check with motels at exits North or South of Perry. To the North, try Fort Valley, Warner Robins, Byron or Macon. To the South, try Henderson, Unidilla, Pinehurst, Findlay or Cordele The exit for the site is 135 which is based on the miles from the Georgia/Florida border to the south, for your frame of reference when talking to motels near the interstate. Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 08:58:40 2000 From: "Brad Cox" To: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:56:54 -0500 Subject: RE: DSP GSR's Well, actually Eric wrote that, but he was agreeing with me. ;-) I haven't looked at any results, and I'm not familiar with Mark Allen's car, so I was certainly 'out on a limb' myself. The class could see a surprise from a completely unexpected direction. Locally, a new guy was driving a very non-prepped FWD 2nd gen Eclipse in DSP. Considering the mods (basically an intake and some lowering springs, and Khumos on stock wheels) to the car, he went f*a*s*t. On paper, the car is definitely the wrong choice, but who knows... I have no evidence to back this up, but I think there is a car in the DSP class capable of upsetting the X1-9 dynasty. -Brad (I'm just full of it some days...) From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 09:14:48 2000 From: "Steven N. Burkett" To: TeamZ3@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:13:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Shock access - what's a new person to do? On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 TeamZ3@aol.com wrote: > Second, the SEB has already issued a statement stating that drilling, > cutting, etc. through interior panel, sheetmetal, etc. for the *explicit* > sole function of shock adjustment is not allowed. Had I been asked to make the decision, I would have decided differently. I think that both the "letter" and "intent" are both a bit unclear, and certainly "reasonable people" could differ on this. But I'm concerned, as a relative newbie, that without access to the "oral history" that appears to accompany protests, clarifications, etc, that I am at a disadvantage. I find tech bulletins going back to October 1999 on the website, and I'm going to go read them all, but shouldn't *all* the clarifications made for stock class be in the rulebook? Or at least together in one place? And shouldn't the results of protests be published? Could we have a sort of "case law" system, where the results of protests are considered "law" until overturned or upheld by the SEB? Steven p.s. Sure, I could just ask for a clarification on every modification I make. But should I have to? From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 09:32:21 2000 From: "Kent Rafferty" To: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:31:51 -0400 Subject: AP rules? The "new" AP seems to allow, even encourage, turbocharged cars to run there. I'm wondering if an SM legal (or even SP legal) turbocar like a twin turbo Supra could legally run in AP and what changes would be necessary - just to be legal not necessarily to be fast :-) >From my reading of the Rules, I'd need to run the stock 17" wheels to comply, but that's about all I'd have to change. Is that correct? Kent Rafferty From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 09:41:53 2000 From: "Peter Mottaz" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:40:58 GMT Subject: John McIver Sorry to spam the list....John, please email me, Thanks. Pete Mottaz 95 BMW 325is #90 GS ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 10:18:06 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'autox'" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:16:24 -0500 Subject: 1st CNAC??? So, how'd the inaugural Canadian National Autoslalom Championship go this past weekend? Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 11:16:57 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: "Linnhoff, Eric" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:08:00 -0500 Subject: Re: 1st CNAC??? It was probably cancelled because of snow!!!! Mike B. "Linnhoff, Eric" wrote: > So, how'd the inaugural Canadian National Autoslalom Championship go this > past weekend? > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > 1998 Dodge Neon R/T > #69 DS #13 TLS > eric10mm@qni.com > > "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But > the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." > Mother Teresa From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 13:13:45 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:14:47 -0400 Subject: Advertising? Does anyone know of any good advertising opportunities at Nationals this year? I would like to do a little advertising, but with as small a budget as possible. Christoc.com Racing Forums http://www.christoc.com/forums -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 13:47:39 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Mike Bultemeier Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:48:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Advertising? Mike, Were you trying to sell something? I am actually not trying to sell anything, just trying to get Christoc.com Racing Forums out there for people to use. Nothing to buy at all. http://www.christoc.com/forums ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mike Bultemeier Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:12:13 -0500 I bought a 4*6 inch add last year in the information and results booklets for $100.00 each. Did it work??? No!!!!! but it was cheap Mike B. Christopher Hammond wrote: > Does anyone know of any good advertising opportunities at Nationals this year? I would like to do a little advertising, but with as small a budget as possible. > > Christoc.com Racing Forums > http://www.christoc.com/forums > > -- > Christopher Hammond > http://www.christoc.com > -- From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 13:48:19 2000 From: Jeff Winchell To: "'Matt Murray'" , autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:42:58 -0700 Subject: RE: Nationals entries Maybe the real message is that Neons suck . -----Original Message----- From: Matt Murray [mailto:mattm@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:06 AM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Nationals entries Just looking at the Top Ten, the first five have no discernable contingencies. Matt Murray mattm@optonline.net Former Y2K DTN admin ************************************** Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 ************************************* ----- Original Message ----- > Now, the top 10 > > 1 CP 51 > 2 FS 38 > 3 CM 32 > 4-5 CS/AS 31 > 6 BS 30 > 7-8 SS/GS 29 > 9-10 BSP/ESP 27 > > DG > > From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 13:36:01 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:34:46 EDT Subject: Looking for PA/loudspeaker for Peru warm up... OK, and my mouth won't work that loud...Dean's mouth isn't that loud for this either...I need to know id anyone coming has some sort of microphone, PA, speaker system...even megaphones will work...let me know! Thanks! Jean Kinser Owner Evolution Performance Driving School-McKamey Autocross Division From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 14:02:06 2000 From: Eric Carman To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:02:04 -0400 Subject: RE: Nationals entries Reliable?!?!?! I thought we were talking about Neons here. ;) At 02:55 PM 8/21/00 -0500, Linnhoff, Eric wrote: >Or simply that all the car whores jumped ship as soon as the money went >away. (Only half kidding.) > >I'm keeping mine. The bank says I have to. Besides, if'n I ever start on >that CP project I'll need a reliable car to drive back and forth to the >welding shop, the machine shop, the salvage yard, the parts store, the >hospital (when it bites me) and the liquor store to drown my sorrows. ;^) > >Eric Linnhoff in KC >1998 Dodge Neon R/T >#69 DS #13 TLS >eric10mm@qni.com > >"We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. >But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." >Mother Teresa > >-----Original Message----- >Maybe the real message is that Neons suck . > >-----Original Message----- >Just looking at the Top Ten, the first five have no discernable >contingencies. > >Matt Murray > > From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 14:07:38 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: autox mailing list Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Advertising? Howdy, On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Christopher Hammond wrote: > Does anyone know of any good advertising opportunities at Nationals > this year? I would like to do a little advertising, but with as small a > budget as possible. You can put a big ad on the side of my car if you buy me a set of Hoosier slicks. Mark :-) From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 13:37:57 2000 From: Jeff Winchell To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:32:41 -0700 Subject: RE: Nationals entries But I thought we talked too much on Team.Net about ESP and dinosaur cars. **************** From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:dg50@daimlerchrysler.com] Now, the top 10 1 CP 51 2 FS 38 3 CM 32 4-5 CS/AS 31 6 BS 30 7-8 SS/GS 29 9-10 BSP/ESP 27 It looks like the FS->ESP->(SM)->CP axis is the core of the Club.... From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 14:12:18 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Eric Carman'" , Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:10:57 -0500 Subject: RE: Nationals entries We were. Hey wait a minute........ Judging from your e-mail addy; Look here Mr. O-ring guy, lets talk reliability when you guys can keep them in the air. =8^O ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- Eric Carman [ecarman@pop300.gsfc.nasa.gov] wrote: Reliable?!?!?! I thought we were talking about Neons here. ;) From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 13:57:43 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Jeff Winchell'" , Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:55:58 -0500 Subject: RE: Nationals entries Or simply that all the car whores jumped ship as soon as the money went away. (Only half kidding.) I'm keeping mine. The bank says I have to. Besides, if'n I ever start on that CP project I'll need a reliable car to drive back and forth to the welding shop, the machine shop, the salvage yard, the parts store, the hospital (when it bites me) and the liquor store to drown my sorrows. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- Maybe the real message is that Neons suck . -----Original Message----- Just looking at the Top Ten, the first five have no discernable contingencies. Matt Murray From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 14:16:10 2000 From: Eric Carman To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:15:48 -0400 Subject: RE: Nationals entries Hey, I haven't blown one up yet....er....Wait can I take that back? No, I know nothing about it... At 03:10 PM 8/21/00 -0500, Linnhoff, Eric wrote: >We were. Hey wait a minute........ Judging from your e-mail addy; Look >here Mr. O-ring guy, lets talk reliability when you guys can keep them in >the air. =8^O > >;^) > >Eric Linnhoff in KC >1998 Dodge Neon R/T >#69 DS #13 TLS >eric10mm@qni.com > >"We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. >But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." >Mother Teresa > >-----Original Message----- >Eric Carman [ecarman@pop300.gsfc.nasa.gov] wrote: >Reliable?!?!?! I thought we were talking about Neons here. ;) > > From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 14:10:02 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Nationals entries Howdy, On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Linnhoff, Eric wrote: > I'm keeping mine. The bank says I have to. Besides, if'n I ever start on > that CP project I'll need a reliable car to drive back and forth to the > welding shop, the machine shop, the salvage yard, the parts store, the > hospital (when it bites me) and the liquor store to drown my sorrows. ;^) Judging from my experiences so far, you'll want it as a spare autox car for when you slack off too much and the CP car isn't ready... :-) Mark (I wanna see you put a v8 in the back of a neon... :-) From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 14:41:49 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: "Mark J. Andy" , Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:32:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Nationals entries BINGO! Ain't it the truth! Phil O. (CP car in trailer since January, after moving to Atlanta, will stay there till I get back to Dallas, which will be sooner than I thought...like, just a few weeks...Still have the ACR to play with in STS though...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Andy" To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: RE: Nationals entries > Howdy, > Judging from my experiences so far, you'll want it as a spare autox car > for when you slack off too much and the CP car isn't ready... :-) > > Mark > > (I wanna see you put a v8 in the back of a neon... :-) > > From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 14:42:40 2000 From: Paul Cezanne To: "Team.Net" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:41:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Advertising? >Does anyone know of any good advertising opportunities at Nationals >this year? I would like to do a little advertising, but with as >small a budget as possible. One thing that I considered doing to promote my wife's new book was to buy space on the side of a car. To make it worth it, I needed a car that would take home the championship trophy, getting its picture in SportsCar. I found such a car but sadly the space I needed wasn't available on it, my URL is just too long. I pretty much needed the whole side of the car and I could not afford that. One thing that I just thought of was to buy the sponsorship on a contingency basis. Pay the owner a modest fee, with a fee structure that gets larger as things happen: 1) Championship, 2) URL visible in a SportsCar photo, 3) URL visible on the SportsCar cover. As it is now, my needs and abilities have changed so this isn't an option for me. Perhaps you can identify such a car. Another thing that I consider too late was to sponsor a course at a National Tour event. Perhaps that is in the future. pZ -- Paul Cezanne (formerly Czarnecki) Please consider buying my wife's new book, The Illusionist, (http://www.JeannetteAngell.com) and then help the UN feed the world for free @ http://www.TheHungerSite.com From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 17:18:14 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: , Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:19:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Can't we all get along? (Team.net Alternative) No, there will be no editing of the posts except that done by the original postee. But, if there are problems with profanity on the site then things can always get deleted easy enough. I will not censor opinions, but it is common courtesy to keep things clean. What I meant by weed out, is that if you don't want to read something about a specific topic you don't have to, and you don't have to download the messages like you do on email. You get to choose what you see, and when you see it. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: washburn Reply-To: washburn@dwave.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:11:38 -0500 Christopher Hammond wrote: ... You can post under specific topics, narrowing down your search, and weeding out all the BS that travels through this list! > I don't have an opinion on your list either way, but I would like to know does this statement mean that you are editing the posts? Kinda came across that way. ?? Pat From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 17:09:49 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: psosborn@gte.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:49:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Motels in Perry Phil, Yes, and they have a special RV area if you want to stay there, too. However, I'm going to ask if we can stay in an RV right at our paddock area. Stay tuned. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:15:14 -0400 "Phillip Osborne" writes: > Ben, are RVs permitted on site, and can they stay overnight? > > Phil O > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Thatcher" > To: ; > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:51 AM > Subject: Motels in Perry > > > > I've got reports that many of the motels in Perry are saying they > are > > full. I just talked to the Georgia Motorfest folks. They say that > the > > Days Inn has just released 30 rooms. > > > > Days Inn & Suites > > 205 Lect Drive > > Perry, GA 31069 > > 912-218-5200 > > Rate: $58 (Ask for GMF-Georgia Motor Fest) > > Note: Newest hotel in Perry, on same exit as Fairgrounds > > > > Also, you may check with motels at exits North or South of Perry. > > > > To the North, try Fort Valley, Warner Robins, Byron or Macon. > > > > To the South, try Henderson, Unidilla, Pinehurst, Findlay or > Cordele > > > > The exit for the site is 135 which is based on the miles from the > > Georgia/Florida border to the south, for your frame of reference > when > > talking to motels near the interstate. > > > > Ben Thatcher > > Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports > > Stockbridge, GA > > > Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 17:54:17 2000 From: "Robert Seamon" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:53:15 GMT Subject: Windshield top banner thread again! So for nationals they will give us the tirerack.com banner for the top of our windshield right? My question is this: What if I have stickers that have tb.tires.com or discounttiredirect.com on them? Rob Seamon #3 STS who got 2 tires from each company to help the economy :) ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 18:20:06 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: seamorob@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:13:35 EDT Subject: Re: Windshield top banner thread again! In a message dated 8/21/00 4:55:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, seamorob@hotmail.com writes: << So for nationals they will give us the tirerack.com banner for the top of our windshield right? My question is this: What if I have stickers that have tb.tires.com or discounttiredirect.com on them? Rob Seamon #3 STS who got 2 tires from each company to help the economy :) >> The Tirerack.com sticker is required on the windshield(If you have one). If you have someone elses logos on your car thats ok. You could have WWW.BigHooters.com some place on the car and they can't say a thing. I saw several Production based car drivers complain at the National Tour in Peru about the size of the decal. They were allowed to but it on the front of the hood and not the windshield. Some of the guys were Yingers size and once the decal was applied to the windshield they couldn't see the course.You should have seen the F500 and Shifter Kart guys trying to figure out what to do with the thing!!!!!! It was funny!!!!!!!! Mike B. From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 18:32:08 2000 From: washburn To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:29:21 -0500 Subject: Cone Mashers Make Good in Wisconsin Autocrossers made a pretty good showing this weekend at the Motorola 220 Champ Car weekend at Road America in Elkhart Lake, WI. Mark Daddio drove his SSB Neon out from the East coast to run the Neon Charity Challenge event. He met up with his crew, Bud Collins and myself, to form "Team Gazoo". On Saturday, Mark ran from a 9th place start to 5th place finish in Race #1, setting him up for a 5th place grid position on Sunday. Mark ran a smart and moved up to a 2nd place finish in Sundays race! Great finish for having run only a handfull of events in his Neon. Had he prepped his motor to the nth degree, he may have been in teh winners circle. The biggest thing I found about winning in road racing versus Solo is that while we drink beer and celebrate after winning in Solo, you tear engines apart for 4 hours when you win in road racing. :( Jeff Altenberg had a great race and placed third in the Trans Am race on Saturday, althou I didn't really see much of it. (We did a bunch of brake jobs in the two days...RA is tough on 'em.) Congrat's AX'ers Pat Washburn From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 18:34:58 2000 From: "Robert Seamon" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:33:51 GMT Subject: Re: Windshield top banner thread again! Yeah I saw that Porsche in SS and the yellow Honda in STS at the Topeka Midiv event and they had the banner on the top. I can just imagine what fun it is to get that in any way shape or form onto what little bodywork an F125 kart has. Hehehe. Anyway if they give them to us at registration or tech or we can buy them there I will be able to drive back home to KC and use anything at the house to get it to fit. That will save me the trouble I read about some people who had to make it fit at the site the day of their first event! Yikes! I didn't bring a hobby razor knife with me to an autocross! :) Rob Seamon ----Original Message Follows---- From: Hottvr@aol.com To: seamorob@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Windshield top banner thread again! Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:13:35 EDT In a message dated 8/21/00 4:55:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, seamorob@hotmail.com writes: << So for nationals they will give us the tirerack.com banner for the top of our windshield right? My question is this: What if I have stickers that have tb.tires.com or discounttiredirect.com on them? Rob Seamon #3 STS who got 2 tires from each company to help the economy :) >> The Tirerack.com sticker is required on the windshield(If you have one). If you have someone elses logos on your car thats ok. You could have WWW.BigHooters.com some place on the car and they can't say a thing. I saw several Production based car drivers complain at the National Tour in Peru about the size of the decal. They were allowed to but it on the front of the hood and not the windshield. Some of the guys were Yingers size and once the decal was applied to the windshield they couldn't see the course.You should have seen the F500 and Shifter Kart guys trying to figure out what to do with the thing!!!!!! It was funny!!!!!!!! Mike B. ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 18:40:26 2000 From: washburn To: Robert Seamon Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:37:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Windshield top banner thread again! Robert Seamon wrote: > > So for nationals they will give us the tirerack.com banner for the top of > our windshield right? > My question is this: What if I have stickers that have tb.tires.com or > discounttiredirect.com on them? > No problem, the TireRack banner can be cut plenty large enough to cover up those other ones. Pat From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 18:44:19 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: seamorob@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:42:56 EDT Subject: Re: Windshield top banner thread again! In a message dated 8/21/00 5:37:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, seamorob@hotmail.com writes: << Yeah I saw that Porsche in SS and the yellow Honda in STS at the Topeka Midiv event and they had the banner on the top. I can just imagine what fun it is to get that in any way shape or form onto what little bodywork an F125 kart has. Hehehe. Anyway if they give them to us at registration or tech or we can buy them there I will be able to drive back home to KC and use anything at the house to get it to fit. That will save me the trouble I read about some people who had to make it fit at the site the day of their first event! Yikes! I didn't bring a hobby razor knife with me to an autocross! :) Rob Seamon >> Its not a problem dude!!! When we show up for the Nats the trailer will have every tool I own in it and a bunch that I don't!!!!!!! Scissors are standard equipment for Tour and National events. Don't worry dude!!! my dad is a TV repair man, I can fix it!!!!! Mike B. From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 18:46:08 2000 From: "Rick Brown" To: "Mark J. Andy" , Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:46:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Nationals entries > > Mark > > (I wanna see you put a v8 in the back of a neon... :-) > > Hey, I put a V8 in the back of a MGBGT once, it looked awesome and........oh, nevermind, I was about 11 and it was model cars........... Rick Brown FP 240Z From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 18:57:00 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: , , Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:03:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Windshield top banner thread again! Buahhh Now that's funny it's been years since I heard a FTARH joke :) Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Hottvr@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:43 PM To: seamorob@hotmail.com; autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Windshield top banner thread again! In a message dated 8/21/00 5:37:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, seamorob@hotmail.com writes: << Yeah I saw that Porsche in SS and the yellow Honda in STS at the Topeka Midiv event and they had the banner on the top. I can just imagine what fun it is to get that in any way shape or form onto what little bodywork an F125 kart has. Hehehe. Anyway if they give them to us at registration or tech or we can buy them there I will be able to drive back home to KC and use anything at the house to get it to fit. That will save me the trouble I read about some people who had to make it fit at the site the day of their first event! Yikes! I didn't bring a hobby razor knife with me to an autocross! :) Rob Seamon >> Its not a problem dude!!! When we show up for the Nats the trailer will have every tool I own in it and a bunch that I don't!!!!!!! Scissors are standard equipment for Tour and National events. Don't worry dude!!! my dad is a TV repair man, I can fix it!!!!! Mike B. From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 18:55:18 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: Robert Seamon Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:38:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Windshield top banner thread again! We brought scissors to the San Diego Tour, and pared the banner down to fit the nose of our 7. Howard Duncan approved. If he hadn't, he would have given us another and we could have another try. They are free to drivers. --Pat Kelly Robert Seamon wrote: > > Yeah I saw that Porsche in SS and the yellow Honda in STS at the Topeka > Midiv event and they had the banner on the top. I can just imagine what fun > it is to get that in any way shape or form onto what little bodywork an F125 > kart has. Hehehe. > Anyway if they give them to us at registration or tech or we can buy them > there I will be able to drive back home to KC and use anything at the house > to get it to fit. That will save me the trouble I read about some people > who had to make it fit at the site the day of their first event! Yikes! I > didn't bring a hobby razor knife with me to an autocross! :) > > Rob Seamon > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Hottvr@aol.com > To: seamorob@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: Windshield top banner thread again! > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:13:35 EDT > > In a message dated 8/21/00 4:55:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > seamorob@hotmail.com writes: > > << So for nationals they will give us the tirerack.com banner for the top of > our windshield right? > My question is this: What if I have stickers that have tb.tires.com or > discounttiredirect.com on them? > > Rob Seamon > #3 STS who got 2 tires from each company to help the economy :) >> > > The Tirerack.com sticker is required on the windshield(If you have one). If > you have > someone elses logos on your car thats ok. You could have WWW.BigHooters.com > some place on the car and they can't say a thing. I saw several Production > based > car drivers complain at the National Tour in Peru about the size of the > decal. > They were allowed to but it on the front of the hood and not the windshield. > Some of the guys were Yingers size and once the decal was applied to the > windshield they couldn't see the course.You should have seen the F500 and > Shifter Kart guys trying to figure out what to do with the thing!!!!!! It > was > funny!!!!!!!! > > Mike B. > > ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 19:48:51 2000 From: "David Shreve" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:47:15 EDT Subject: Looking for a tire trailer... I have seen the offerings from Harbor Freight and Northern Tool. Are there any other good sites on the web to look at for a cheap, light trailer? I am looking for something in the 4x6 or 4x8 range. Please reply privately as I am on the digest. -dave ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 20:22:35 2000 From: "Steve Sucsy" To: "Team.net" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:23:37 -0500 Subject: Tough Nationals classes What class has the greatest number of former National Champions/Pro Solo Champions? It looks like some of the larger classes have more former champions in them than available trophy positions. Steve Sucsy AS 98 '00 Honda S2000 See you there. From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 20:38:50 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "washburn" , Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:41:25 -0700 Subject: Re: Cone Mashers Make Good in Wisconsin ----- Original Message ----- From: washburn To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 5:29 PM Subject: Cone Mashers Make Good in Wisconsin > The biggest thing I found about winning in road racing versus Solo is > that while we drink beer and celebrate after winning in Solo, you tear > engines apart for 4 hours when you win in road racing. :( Hmmm... perhaps I don't wanna move into road racing after all. OTOH, it's more opportunities to get my hands dirty messing with cars! OTOH (yes, I know, that's three hands now, and no, I'm not a mutant. Really, I'm not ;) post-event festivities in Solo2 are pretty fun as well. Scot From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 21:11:52 2000 From: "Cliff Loh" To: "Autox List" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:03:43 -0700 Subject: re: 1st CNAC?? From: Mike Bultemeier >It was probably cancelled because of snow!!!! >"Linnhoff, Eric" wrote: >> So, how'd the inaugural Canadian National Autoslalom Championship go this >> past weekend? No snow, but high winds and horizontal rain on Sunday morning was a bit rare for prairie weather. Well, it's a part of history now. The first single site national championship in Canada has come and gone. Thanks to all 38 competitors who came from both the local region and as far as Thornleigh, Australia to compete. It was really nice to finally meet face to face with other autocrossers and find out about the various approaches to the sport that each region has. For me, it was great to really talk to people from other regions and begin a dialog that was never before possible with the multi-site format. You get a really good grasp of the state of the sport in Canada. The west seems to be a bit further along in developing the sports but Quebec is home to some very fast drivers as well. The Winnipeg Sports Car Club can be thought of as the "little club that could'. For an organization with little experience in running a big event and limited resources, they did a fantastic job and really took ownership of the event. Looks like my job as National Director is going to be easy (not!). This event was entirely conceived and organized over the internet. Eight months of e-mails between the CNAC organizing committee and including some between myself and Howard Duncan ended up in a pretty well run event despite a few problems with a wet timer. The low turnout was in a way a blessing for them. Going to Gimli was like going back in time to the very beginnings of autocrossing. The local scene is made up of the usual stock category cars, a lot of older ex-race cars, and creations from the home garage usually sporting lots of primer. Most of the people were a bit taken aback when two rigs from B.C. came on site with enclosed trailers. Heck most of the road racers that were on the track portion of the site didn't even have enclosed trailers. One thing that wasn't too overwhelming was the Phantom. A lot of people in the Winnipeg area race snowmobiles in the winter so the concept wasn't too unfamiliar to them. After all, some of them put wheels in place of the skis, take the sled to the local drag strip and run 11 sec. 1/4 mile times @ 119 mph. Saturday's course was a reprise of the old CASC Nationals course from 1991. It was simply to give a bit of nostalgia to the event. Another piece of nostalgia was Ken Frey from SCCA-NER who showed up wearing a souvenir cap from the last 1991 Canadian Nationals. Sunday's course was a bit more challenging and laid out in more of an SCCA style. Saturday night festivities included a big pig roast at the track. Though the SCCA's goal of 1000 in 2000 is admirable and shows just how big autocrossing has become, this first CNAC is the starting point for bigger things to come. Everyone who came to play took away very positive impressions. In all, it was an enjoyable time. All that's left to do is to tell everyone they missed a great party and to make it a point to come next year. I still have to get final results from the host club but as soon as they are official, I'll post them to the website along with some pics. Look for full coverage in an upcoming issue of NAP. -c. --------------------------------------------------- Cliff Loh, Vancouver, B.C. CANADA "I started out with nothing & still have most of it left." cliff_loh@infoserve.net, inbred_hick@yahoo.com (alternate) --------------------------------------------------- From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 21:17:45 2000 From: MRTWO@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:16:26 EDT Subject: Paint protector Does anyone knows where I can get transparent material(made by 3M?) for car finish protection? I saw some NW region people were using these material as Bra. From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 21:22:42 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:01:48 -0400 Subject: Perry Purse If we have at least 100 entries for the 2000 Georgia State Solo II Championship we will have a $1000 purse distributed over the top 20 PAXed drivers. First place will win $200, 20th place will win $20. These prizes will only be paid to drivers entering and running both Saturday and Sunday. Prizes will also be paid only to drivers who are present to collect them at the awards ceremony. We plan to schedule all 2-day drivers to run their Sunday runs on Sunday morning starting about 9 AM and be finished before the lunch break. Awards will be given out during lunch break. Please pre-register on-line at: and indicate in the comments section whether you plan to enter Saturday, Sunday or both days. If you have already entered and not given us this information don't register again. Simply reply directly to me which days you want to run. Thanks, Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 21:23:09 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:47:37 -0400 Subject: Entries for Perry, so far Car# Class Last Name First Name Car 16 CS ANNEE CARL 86 MAZDA RX7 34 CS BAGGARLY SCOTT 92 MIATA 19 BP BRENCHLEY MARK 1986 NISSAN 300 ZX 96 CSP BROWN JOHN 86 TOYOTA MR2 36 CSP BRUCK CHRIS 84 MAZDA RX7 GSL-SE 134 EP BRYAN-TINSLEY BETSY 86 HONDA CIVIC 2 FP COFFEY BILL 71 DATSUN 240Z FM CROWE CARL 92 KBS 83 BSL DARROW JEANNE 00 MIATA 3 BS DARROW JOHN 00 MIATA 0 BP DUCHENE STEVEN 87 MERKUR XR4TI 6 STR EASTON STEVE 99 HONDA CIVIC 8 SS ECKLES-TS CHRIS 99 BMW M-ROADSTER 42 DSP FLANAGAN BRIAN 88 BMW 325I 96 HS FOLEY RON 99 MAZDA PROTEGE 84 FSP GARINGAN JOE 84 BMW 318I 13 FS GRANT TYLER 99 TRANS AM 52 STS GROTE LUCAS 92 SATURN SL 72 STS HAGENBUSH ANDY 99 ACURA INTEGRA 21 EP HATFIELD WARREN 69 BMW 1600 77 ES HENDRICKSON JIM 98 FORD ESCORT 59 DS HENDY PETER 96 NEON 57 DSL HINES RENEE 98 NEON 88 STS HOCKENBERRY STEVE 90 HONDA CIVIC 14 AS KIPTA KEVIN 72 PORSCHE 911T 89 DM KNOBEL HAROLD AUSTIN MINI COOPER 21 ASP KOBS JOHN 90 MAZDA RX7T 85 ES KROLEWICZ JON 85 HONDA CRX SI 29 ESP LEWIS ROBERT 99 MUSTANG COBRA 19 ESP LEWIS TRACY 99 MUSTANG COBRA 11 STR LOWE SHELTON 00 HONDA PRELUDE 2 EP LUMM TOM 69 BMW 1600 2 ASP MATTHEWS RICHARD 93 MAZDA RX7TT 134 AM MCMAHAN CLINT KBS F500 34 AM MCMAHAN DAN KBS F500 40 FM MURPHY JIM 84 DAREDEVIL F500 2 EP ODOM MARK 69 BMW 1600 54 CS PARCON JAY 93 TOYOTA MR2 7 ES PULLIAM LARRY 00 TOYOTA CELICA 13 AM QUILLIAN MAC 97 MERCER FSAE 17 BSP RATCLIFFE ED 86 CORVETTE 38 AS RITTER MARK 00 AUDI S4-YELLOW 4 PES RUPP KEN 00 TOYOTA CELICA 67 HS SANEY BARRY 91 HONDA CIVIS SI 34 CP SHAFER-TS RICH 84 TRANS-AM 94 STS SIMON-TS THOMAS 95 TAURUS SHO 99 AS SIPE MARK 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 113 CSP SOUNDARARAJAN ARJUN 86 HONDA CRX 13 CSPL SOUNDARARAJAN KATE 86 HONDA CRX 3 ESP SPEARS MARK 96 TRANS-AM 67 SSL SPENCER CAROLINE 2000 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 28 AS STEVENSON MIKE 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 25 FM STROUD JAY 92 KBS 101 STS STUBBS BARRY 88 CHEVY CAVALIER 4 N SULLIVAN TREY 96 HONDA CIVIC 59 CSP SWAIN-TS JOHN 96 MIATA 7 BSP THATCHER-TS BEN 86 CORVETTE 113 AM THOR JOHNSON 97 MERCER FSAE 34 EP TINSLEY RICK 86 HONDA CIVIC 23 STS TOWNE CHRIS 95 ACURA INTEGRA 15 STS TOY BRAD 93 SATURN 5 N VANZINA TONY 96 Honda Civic 75 FSP VEHIGE JASON 85 VW GOLF 48 HS WAGNER HEYWARD HONDA CIVIC SI 92 PFS WATERS STEVE 00 CAMARO Z28 90 FSP WOERNER STEVEN 97 NISSAN TRUCK 35 PFS YOUMANS JEFFERY 96 CAMARO Z28 16 SSL CASTRO SANDRA 00 PORSCHE BOXSTER S Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 21:27:07 2000 From: "Greg" To: , Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:27:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Paint protector A company called Griot's Garage. I'm not sure if it's made by 3M, but they sell a like product. www.griotsgarage.com Greg Reno Mazda MX-3 GS V6 #36 ES ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:16 PM Subject: Paint protector > Does anyone knows where I can get transparent material(made by 3M?) for car > finish protection? > > I saw some NW region people were using these material as Bra. From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 21:57:27 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net, BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:55:56 EDT Subject: Ozark SEDiv - Photo's needed Is there anyone who attended the SEDiv Solo2 event in Ozark, AL weekend before last who has any event photo's they can share? They are needed for the article to appear in North American Pylon. TIA, Mark Sipe SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 22:00:40 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: , Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:51:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Paint protector Can't.....keep..............fingers.......................from.............. ............typ........................ But doesn't that hurt your nipples? Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other animals....except weasels." Homer Simpson -----Original Message----- >Does anyone knows where I can get transparent material(made by 3M?) for car >finish protection? > >I saw some NW region people were using these material as Bra. > From autox-owner Mon Aug 21 22:10:27 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:09:35 EDT Subject: Re: Paint protector The material is from 3M and called Scotchcal. You can buy the basic material from any 3M distributor. However, there are several companies that supply the material pre-cut to fit a variety of vehicles. Two that come to mind are InvincaShield and Expel. A web search for those names should turn up info. Installation on compound curvature surfaces can be tricky. Mark Sipe From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 05:26:26 2000 From: Loren Williams To: autox list Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:28:58 -0500 Subject: The Phil Update Just thought I'd share that Phil Ethier was here in Wichita last night. He and his "new" TR4 are doing great with no trouble thus far. The car is beautiful and strong, and the worst part of the trip (hot, hot TX & OK weather) is behind him. He'll be doing the Wichita-DesMoines leg of the trip today. -- Loren Williams | Loren@kscable.com '94 Saturn SC2 | Wichita Region SCCA - http://www2.southwind.net/~scca From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 07:48:50 2000 From: Jarrod Igou To: autox list Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:43:59 -0500 Subject: Re: The Phil Update -- Des Moines meeting location And along those lines...I believe we're meeting up with Phil at Porky's Diner at 4444 Douglas here in Des Moines tonight. Hope the fog down in Kansas isn't too bad....it's pretty thick here right now, but at least it's not hot out. Jarrod At 06:28 AM 8/22/2000 , Loren Williams wrote: >Just thought I'd share that Phil Ethier was here in Wichita last night. He >and his "new" TR4 are doing great with no trouble thus far. The car is >beautiful and strong, and the worst part of the trip (hot, hot TX & OK >weather) is behind him. He'll be doing the Wichita-DesMoines leg of the >trip today. > > >-- >Loren Williams | Loren@kscable.com >'94 Saturn SC2 | Wichita Region SCCA - http://www2.southwind.net/~scca ============================== Jarrod Igou jigou@raquet.net 1999 Integra GS-R - SuperSonic Blue Pearl Des Moines Valley Region SCCA http://www.dmvrscca.org From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 08:16:18 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: Jarrod Igou Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:07:08 -0500 Subject: Re: The Phil Update -- Des Moines meeting location Theres no fog here. Its pretty tough to have fog when the low teprature last night was around 82 F. However the sky is very dark to the west and south of Kansas City right now. It looks like a thunderstorm might be moving in?? Mike B. Jarrod Igou wrote: > And along those lines...I believe we're meeting up with Phil at Porky's > Diner at 4444 Douglas here in Des Moines tonight. > > Hope the fog down in Kansas isn't too bad....it's pretty thick here right > now, but at least it's not hot out. > > Jarrod > > At 06:28 AM 8/22/2000 , Loren Williams wrote: > > >Just thought I'd share that Phil Ethier was here in Wichita last night. He > >and his "new" TR4 are doing great with no trouble thus far. The car is > >beautiful and strong, and the worst part of the trip (hot, hot TX & OK > >weather) is behind him. He'll be doing the Wichita-DesMoines leg of the > >trip today. > > > > > >-- > >Loren Williams | Loren@kscable.com > >'94 Saturn SC2 | Wichita Region SCCA - http://www2.southwind.net/~scca > > ============================== > Jarrod Igou jigou@raquet.net > 1999 Integra GS-R - SuperSonic Blue Pearl > Des Moines Valley Region SCCA > http://www.dmvrscca.org From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 08:38:24 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:39:46 -0500 Subject: Final Solotime Midiv Divisional Don't forget the Solotime Gateway to Nationals event on Labor Day weekend (Sept 3-4 2000) in St. Louis. * Large, new, smooth asphalt lot * Courses designed by Joe Haddon * Last chance to practice before Nationals * Casino within site of event (Actually 3!) * Come early and see the arch and other great attractions * Home of the Super Bowl Champion Rams * One day entry fee of $25(doesn't include dinner) for those of you running the Peru Evolution Practice on Sat-Sun Details available at www.wcsllc.net/gatewaytonationals See ya there Dave Whitworth dave@wcsllc.net Environtrol Corporation Asthma and Allergy Care Supplies www.environtrol.com From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 09:01:23 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:02:00 -0500 Subject: Fw: Solotime Event Correction ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Whitworth" To: "AAASolo Board" Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:58 AM Subject: Solotime Event Correction > Oops, I forgot that Andy Whittle also contributed greatly to the course > design. Don't ever forget an AM driver :) > > > Dave Whitworth > dave@wcsllc.net > Environtrol Corporation > Asthma and Allergy Care Supplies > www.environtrol.com > > ___________________________________________________________ > T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics > From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 09:15:56 2000 From: Mo Soar To: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:20:47 -0700 Subject: Autocross results software I'm looking for your experiences with software for results entry for autocross. I'm not really looking for real-time scoring capability (though I'd like to hear what those of you who use automated time entry programs think of them) but am more interested in the related "background" features - tracking SCCA membership numbers, mailing and email info, year-end points reports, generating results web pages. Thanks, Maureen Soar Oregon Region SCCA Solo2 webqueen D Prepared Fiat X1/9 From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 09:30:00 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:28:11 EDT Subject: Peru Warm Up-couple slots open Just to let a couple people know who have wondered and called and left messages...there are still a couple slots open for Evolution's warm up in Peru on Labor Day weekend. If you are interested..a check needs to go in the mail NOW and include a 20.00 late fee... Be at the track at 7:30 am or before to sign up for run groups. Please e-mail me if you are planning to be there so I know. Jean Kinser 216 East Kelly Park Rd Apopka Fl 32712 From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 09:41:57 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: "Mo Soar" , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:42:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Autocross results software Here in St. Louis we are implementing AutoX T/S from Robb Gregg in Topeka. It does have several features for tracking year end points, etc but we are not using them as of yet since we started in the middle of the year. It exports a text based file for the results that could be imported very easily to a web page (or spreadsheet). We e-mail our results via an excel file and that works very well. Our pointskeeper, Eric Buckley tracks all of the points, index points, rookie points manually, and then e-mails the spreadsheet out. Now, my thoughts on actual field use of these systems: If you use the automated time entry, you have to have a computer operator who is familiar with the system and can concentrate well. A lot of "regular" T&S people just can't do this job, they don't have the personality for it. In the hectic T&S trailer, you have to concentrate on what cars are staged, not who just finished and you have to filter out distractions from the announcer and time logger. We use three people, a computer operator, a manual time logger and an announcer and it *finally* works well. There are also several other changes we had to make in order to use the computer: 1) Our timing trailer has windows on both sides and a back door. Traditionally, we had the back (open) end pointing towards the course, but for the computer, it works better with the back end pointing towards grid/start so the computer operator can see the cars in line 2) All cars must be clearly marked with number and class. We also have a large lot, so we banned shoe polish because it is hard to see 1/4 mile away. We now provide numbers/letters printed on 1/2 sheets of paper for competitors to tape on their cars. 3) An error log. Keep a pad of paper handy to log problems so you can go straight to the "bad" cars when auditing. 4) Radio protocol: It is more important for the corner captains to clearly state cone count, car number, class. The old "+1 on the red car" won't cut it. Overall, the system makes results much easier to tabulate. WE now post results after each heat, and can give out trophies within 10 min of the end of the event. It also saves data entry on the pointskeeper end. The hardest part is training operators. We started with 3 people who were intimately familiar with the system (we "mock" timed a few events before going live) and are slowly training new people one at a time. Like I said before, it takes a certain personality to do this job, and not everybody can do it. We have had people who could run a "manual" timing system by themselves, but can't keep up with the computer! I don't see it a insult if someone can't do it, we just find another job. It will take a while to get a fell for the people involved. Hope this rambling helps Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mo Soar" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Autocross results software > > I'm looking for your experiences with software for results entry for > autocross. I'm not really looking for real-time scoring capability (though > I'd like to hear what those of you who use automated time entry programs > think of them) but am more interested in the related "background" features > - tracking SCCA membership numbers, mailing and email info, year-end points > reports, generating results web pages. > > Thanks, > Maureen Soar > Oregon Region SCCA Solo2 webqueen > D Prepared Fiat X1/9 > From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 11:05:49 2000 From: Lloyd.Wilson@Alcan.Com To: dave@wcsllc.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:24:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Autocross results software --Boundary_(ID_5CGNj+YY9dKOgdbKR1u+Ow) Just to expand upon Dave's comments - not only does it take a certain adept computer operator but also the rest of the timing crew. They all have to work together. This is not something new but I believe more critical with a computer based timing system. It only takes "one bad egg" to make everyone else's job that much more difficult. Some people in timing can get side tracked very easily and forget their main responsibility is timing and not helping other people with questions. Again, this is not new for timing events but it takes a talented crew in timing to make the "new" computer system work well. I sometimes wonder if all the headaches from registration, car numbering/classing, computer (equipment, training, set up and operating) and audit are really worth it for small club or regional events. Maybe KISS (keep it simple stupid) is more realistic for local events. But then again you have to give it the "old college" try to see if something is worth it. Lloyd Wilson - TS99 computer operator in training >>> Like I said before, it takes a certain personality to do this job, and not everybody can do it. We have had people who could run a "manual" timing system by themselves, but can't keep up with the computer! I don't see it a insult if someone can't do it, we just find another job. It will take a while to get a fell for the people involved.<<< --Boundary_(ID_5CGNj+YY9dKOgdbKR1u+Ow)-- From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 12:28:35 2000 From: YMI@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:25:40 EDT Subject: windshield banner Sure - real funny Tire Rack Banner - stuck on the painted nose of my F500! I appreciate that they help the SCCA but they sure didn't take into consideration those of us who have no windshields and have to put the stickers on paint. From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 12:51:08 2000 From: "Rick Brown" To: "Mo Soar" , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:49:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Autocross results software We have used the AutoX T/S here in CalClub a few times and I (and several others) think it is great. Unfortunately in the powers that be, there are currently more "anti-technology" than pro, so it is not currently used for local events. It will take a learning curve to implement, just like anything new. I actually think it is easier to use than a stand alone timer. 99% of the time you are only entering a car # & class. What you have to do for DNF's and false starts/finishes is the same skill it takes on a timer. It really is designed for pre-entry type events where you already have everybody entered in the database. We've had as many as 60 or more new people at an event and you have to try to enter them between run groups. The system does allow on-the-fly entry of a car # only and then you can go back and fill in the rest of the data later. It also really works best with a permanent number system, not one where people get new numbers at each event. Then you can enter everybody that has run last year or has acquired a permanent this year and the system only includes people in the results if they take a run. You can also have a separate laptop at registration taking in new people, then between groups you can take a floppy and merge the new people into the current database. Plus Robb Gregg is very helpful and will customise the software for you. Of course if you just use it for after the event results, it is perfect. Lets you add local classes, make indexed classes, etc. Check it out at http://autox.kawvalley.net/support.htm where you can download a demo version. Rick Brown FP 240Z From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 12:54:24 2000 From: "matthew c. mead" To: YMI@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:51:57 -0400 Subject: Re: windshield banner On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 02:25:40PM -0400, YMI@aol.com wrote: > Sure - real funny Tire Rack Banner - stuck on the painted nose of my F500! > I appreciate that they help the SCCA but they sure didn't take into > consideration those of us who have no windshields and have to put the > stickers on paint. Hopefully I don't get flamed for this, BUT... Has anyone stuck one of these things to the outside of a plastic static cling sheet for application to glass, or to the paintable side of the vinyl coated magnetics used for body decals? -matt -- matthew c. mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 12:52:49 2000 From: Frankzip@aol.com To: ax-digest@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:50:39 EDT Subject: Car Trailer For sale, just in time for nationals-- 14 foot double axle. 15 inch sides, 77 3/8" inside. Electric brakes on two wheels. Perfect size for Miata or CRX $850.00 Located in Oshkosh, WI. Frank at 920.237.3536 anytime or frankzip@aol.com From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 13:08:20 2000 From: JVHT@aol.com To: msoar@home.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:06:57 EDT Subject: Re: Autocross results software My favorite is: AutoX/TS or http://www.autox.kawvalley.net/ Check out our results! John Taylor Webmaster@ Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Website From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 13:17:04 2000 From: JVHT@aol.com To: Lloyd.Wilson@alcan.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:15:37 EDT Subject: Re: Autocross results software Lloyd, It is easier for everybody to keep the old T&S system instead of computerizing except for the poor guy keying in all the data. Not to mention the results being updated instantly during the event. Our new network version of Rob Gregg's AutoXT/S will have a PC terminal with real time results available for our competitors all through the event! John Taylor Webmaster@ Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Website From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 13:34:47 2000 From: Ghsharp@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:33:07 EDT Subject: C5 Corvette wheels and tires FS I have some C5 Corvette wheels and tires, and since I don't presently own a C5 Corvette, I don't really need them taking up space in my garage, so... (4) factory OEM aluminum wheels for C5 Vette, $600 for the set. (2) 245/45-17 and (2) 275/40-18 BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD SSS tires. (Perhaps the world's-longest-name for a tire ). This is BFG's ultimate street tire in the run-flat version especially made for the C5 Corvette. Brand new, never mounted. $950 for the set of 4. Buyer pays shipping. E-mail me at Ghsharp@aol.com if you're interested. GH From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 13:50:08 2000 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:47:25 -0500 Subject: Re: windshield banner Actually, they have been doing that for years. The smaller stickers required to be on the sides of the car in the vicinity of the numbers usually ends up on paint. And worse, they are high-tack stickers. My solution for years has been Scotch Plastic Tape. It is marvelous stuff, in multi colors, and it peels off paint almost never taking paint with it. And sometimes that is after forgetting about it and not removing it until the following spring! I mount my required sticker on the car by "framing" it in Scotch Plastic Tape of a color to match my car. Don't take the backing paper off the sticker. Of course, I understand that this new Tire Rack sticker is way bigger, but the tape should still work. If it is the same as those used earlier, it is on a black background, so get Scotch Plastic Tape (discount stores, hardware stores) in black. It comes in .75" and 1.5" widths. --Rocky -----Original Message----- From: YMI@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: windshield banner >Sure - real funny Tire Rack Banner - stuck on the painted nose of my F500! >I appreciate that they help the SCCA but they sure didn't take into >consideration those of us who have no windshields and have to put the >stickers on paint. > From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 13:59:31 2000 From: William Loring To: "Team.Net" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:57:46 -0600 Subject: Re: windshield banner Yes, I've applied the tirerack.com graphic to vinyl. Since I work for TTR, I use one on each side of my car, below the beltline, in addition to the one on the glass. There's no mistaking who I work for when you see my car at an event. (grin) The black graphic blends right in on my black Honda, and I think it looks pretty good. Anyway, I've found that these work great to protect my door paint on those occasions when I hit cones. I've found several large scuff marks on the decals, and was happy to have them there rather than on the paint. It takes a pretty big chunk of vinyl, but works just fine. I don't know that they'd work on static cling material, does this work with other vinyl decals? Regards, William Loring www.tirerack.com > From: "matthew c. mead" > Reply-To: "matthew c. mead" > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:51:57 -0400 > To: YMI@aol.com > Cc: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: windshield banner > > Hopefully I don't get flamed for this, BUT... > > Has anyone stuck one of these things to the outside of a plastic > static cling sheet for application to glass, or to the paintable > side of the vinyl coated magnetics used for body decals? > > > -matt > > -- > matthew c. mead > > mmead@goof.com > http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ > From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 14:05:03 2000 From: YMI@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:02:46 EDT Subject: Banner ideas Some good suggestions - I will try to peel the sticker off tonight and see what is left underneath. I wasn't prepared for the size of the sticker when I got to the Ayer event... From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 14:08:13 2000 From: "Andy Whittle" To: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:09:16 -0500 Subject: Re: windshield banner What is the rule for these stickers? I don't have any front body work or a windshield. Andy From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 14:12:09 2000 From: "Andy Whittle" To: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:12:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Banner ideas How big is this sticker? From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 14:16:00 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Andy Whittle'" , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:14:53 -0500 Subject: RE: windshield banner How big's your helmet? ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- What is the rule for these stickers? I don't have any front body work or a windshield. Andy From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 14:17:11 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: "Andy Whittle" , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:18:15 -0500 Subject: Re: windshield banner I your case, you will have to wrap it around Scott's head 3 or 4 times. Maybe that will slow him down so you can beat him :) Seriously, you'll have to check with Howard Duncan, but you should be able to stick it to the wing on the front/top side. At the tours, they seemed pretty flexible on it and were willing to give out plenty of stickers if one got screwed up during installation. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Whittle" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:09 PM Subject: Re: windshield banner > What is the rule for these stickers? I don't have any front body work or a > windshield. > > Andy > From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 14:18:47 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: "Andy Whittle" , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:19:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Banner ideas It starts out *about* 10" tall by 40" wide or so. It is designed to be trimmed down, the actual tire rack words are pretty small. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Whittle" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Banner ideas > How big is this sticker? > From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 14:21:03 2000 From: William Loring To: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:21:47 -0600 Subject: Re: Autocross results software At SBR, we're currently using software of our own design. While it works well for results, it's a bit tough for a newbie to learn, so we've had trouble recruiting computer operators. I'd use TS98, or AutoX/TS, but both don't appear to allow us to calculate results for Novice/Ladies/Street Tire classes. I know that we could enter these folks into classes of their own, but what we really want is for them to be able to run in their standard class, but still be eligible for these "special" classes. Our software does this (via a set of checkboxes), but other packages I have seen don't seem to offer this option. Am I wrong? Certainly wouldn't be the first time. Regards, William Loring www.tirerack.com From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 14:33:50 2000 From: Gail/Sid deLeon To: YMI@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:36:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Banner ideas If you even THINK it will pull paint with it,liberal use of a hairdryer will help release the stickum YMI@aol.com wrote: > Some good suggestions - I will try to peel the sticker off tonight and see > what is left underneath. I wasn't prepared for the size of the sticker when I > got to the Ayer event... From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 15:40:09 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'BSP'" , "'Team.net'" , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:36:22 -0700 Subject: wheels/tires 4 sale I have a set of Camaro SS take-offs. They are the ZR1 Corvette style 5 spokes 17"X9" in silver. They have Nitto NT500Z 285-40-ZR17s on them. They were used for about 3000k miles of highway driving. These were my street wheels for my 89' vette, now it is a trailer queen, so they can go. $1000.00 obo Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com 602-499-2700 From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 15:59:53 2000 From: "nathan_pitchford" To: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:57:07 -0500 Subject: Looking for used 18" tires? Hello I'm looking for some used 18" tires in one of the following sizes: 255/35-18 255/40-18 245/35-18 245/40-18 Thanks. Nathan From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 16:19:35 2000 From: "Ron Conrad" To: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:18:05 -0500 Subject: wanted: Mugen or other Body kit, Air Dam, & rear spoiler that will fit my 86 Civic Hatchback I know Mugen and others made stuff for my car. I'm having the body redone over the winter and would like to find these things for my STS 86 Civic Si. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks! Ron Conrad STS #25 86 Civic Si mailto:rjconrad1@home.com http://fwrscca.fwi.com From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 16:20:55 2000 From: "nathan_pitchford" To: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:18:05 -0500 Subject: Re: 18's Actually they are only 8" wide so the very most I could go would be 265/35 but I really don't wanna go over 255/35. Thanks and let me know. Nathan From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 16:50:14 2000 From: "Steve Ashcraft" To: "William Loring" , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:49:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Autocross results software Check out http://www.ccsi.com/~vitek/axware/ It handles paxed classes very well. (Vitek -- do I get my commission yet;-) Seriously, several local regions are using it with lots of success -- Check out www.autox4u.com (Perry, do I get my commission yet;-) and look at the reports for NNJR, NYR, and one of the BMW clubs for examples of the HTML reports that are generated. I wrote my own and built my own hardware and I think it's just as good (if not better) than Vitek's but Vitek's is supported and well documented. Plus it has a really nice interface to RaceAmerica's big display. Steve Ashcraft SJR/SCCA Autocross Co-chair ----- Original Message ----- From: William Loring To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Autocross results software > At SBR, we're currently using software of our own design. While it works > well for results, it's a bit tough for a newbie to learn, so we've had > trouble recruiting computer operators. I'd use TS98, or AutoX/TS, but both > don't appear to allow us to calculate results for Novice/Ladies/Street Tire > classes. I know that we could enter these folks into classes of their own, > but what we really want is for them to be able to run in their standard > class, but still be eligible for these "special" classes. Our software does > this (via a set of checkboxes), but other packages I have seen don't seem to > offer this option. Am I wrong? Certainly wouldn't be the first time. > > > Regards, > > William Loring > www.tirerack.com > > > From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 17:27:38 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:24:26 -0400 Subject: Perry Update GSS2C Please make note of some changes to our procedures at the 2000 Georgia State Solo II Championships held at the Georgia National Fairgrounds in Perry, Georgia (110 miles south of Atlanta on I-75). All competitors will need to enter the fairgrounds from the East entrance listed as the "participant entrance." At that entrance each person will pay $5 for entry into the fairgrounds. Be prepared to pay cash as they don't have provisions for checks or credit cards. If you pre-registered on-line BEFORE Wednesday, August 23rd at midnight, your name will be on our list and you will get your SCCA participant badge at the gate. If you wait to register at the sight you won't get your badge until you go to our registration. This means entry fees will be $40 for a 2-day entry and $20 for a one day entry (payable at our registration). Our paddock area will be in the grassy area to the East of the mall area leading to the North entrance of the fairgrounds. Please be as compact as possible in your space. Please make your area as attractive as possible as we will be part of the Georgia Motorfest Show and you are all ambassadors of our sport. Be prepared for people looking at and crawling around your race cars and the necessary security precautions this situation demands. Also, bring as much shade with you as possible. The sun can get real hot in middle Georgia in August. Full rest rooms are next to our site and food and drink are readily available in the Georgia Motorfest show areas. Please register on-line at: BEFORE Wednesday evening (August 23rd). If we have 100+ competitors (as of this writing we have 75 registered) there will be a $1000 purse distributed among the top 20 competitors scored by the PAX handicapping factor ($200 for first place, $20 for 20th place). Camping and RV facilities are available on site. You will have to make separate arrangements with the fairgrounds for use of those facilities. The schedule of events is below. Please notice that 2-day competitors will be running at 9 AM on Sunday. All Sunday-only competitors will be running in the afternoon session: Friday Registration & Tech 6-8 PM GA National Fairgrounds Evening Pool Party 6-? PM Holiday Inn Rm 122 Fine Dining available, too Saturday Registration & Tech 8-9 AM GA National Fairgrounds First Car on course 10 AM GA National Fairgrounds Lunch Break ? GA National Fairgrounds Afternoon session ? GA National Fairgrounds Fun Runs? After event GA National Fairgrounds Evening Pool Party 6-? PM Holiday Inn - Rm 122 Fine Dining available, too Sunday Registration & Tech 8-11 AM GA National Fairgrounds First Car on course 9 AM GA National Fairgrounds Lunch / Awards ? GA National Fairgrounds Afternoon session ? GA National Fairgrounds Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 17:53:39 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:51:38 EDT Subject: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats How many Team Laughing Stock members will be at the Nats this year?? I know Captain Karl(DTN),The KnuckleDragger,Johnny Lee and myself are gonna make it. Who else????? Maybe we could crash the CP party??? Linnhoff did it last year and lived(Its tough even for CP guys to try to muscle a guy thats 6 feet tall and 270)!!!!! I bet they would let us in if we brought 4 or 5 cases of beer and a bucket of "Extra Crispy"????? Ya think?????? Mike B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 18:00:00 2000 From: JVHT@aol.com To: dave@wcsllc.net, autox@autox.team.net (Autocross List) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:58:12 EDT Subject: Re: Autocross results software Dave, I loved reading how your club adapted to using Rob Gregg's AutoXT/S software. It sounds identical to the way we adapted to using the software through our first season with it in 1999. After much skepticism at first, I cannot remember a complaint about our clubs T&S system lately. The only time we have been down in almost two years is to run out replacement lights after being run over by errant cars! New time sheets are posted after every run group (about 8 cars), times are announced after every run (speaker at the finish for the driver) and now with the network version a "Ticker" PC will be on through the event at registration to see your class results real time. Also we have been told that we are one of the few clubs that post the results and yearly points to the website before most of the drivers get home! It is easy because all reports are available at the touch of a key after the last car finishes! As far as training goes it is no harder to train a person on the PC than it was to train them on the old PC-less timers. The only difference is you type it instead of write it. Also with very little trouble an event can continue with the timer or even some stop watches and a pencil if ever a serious problem occurred. (In almost two years we have not had ONE problem with the software or any of the PC's but we always have a backup plan as the show must go on :) The new network system is up and running at my house and will be put to the test at our Nationals warm up on Sept. 2 and 3. We are waiting from Gregg to fix a minor glitch in the ticker program at this time, but as usual he is working hard to fix it in time for the event. We have four PC's on our network running on 10Base2/T PnP cards using Windows 95. One will be used as the main timing PC, one the announcers PC and two at registration for registering and running the ticker program (all four can register at the same time if needed!!!). The announcer's PC has a great variety of stats that can be pulled up at the touch of a key for keeping the hot competition we traditionally have at GCAC informed. I'll be sure to post to the autocross list how the system performed after the event. John Taylor Webmaster & the guy that used to be stuck with inputting all the results and points@ Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Website In a message dated 8/22/00 3:24:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave@wcsllc.net writes: > Keep in touch with how that works. It sounds cool and we might consider > doing it that way! > > Thanks > > Dave Whitworth > St. Louis Region SCCA > From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 18:07:48 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: Hottvr@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:05:15 GMT Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats >From: Hottvr@aol.com >How many Team Laughing Stock members will be at the Nats this year?? >I >know Captain Karl(DTN),The KnuckleDragger,Johnny Lee and myself are >gonna >make it. Who else????? Do you think we should all park together somewhere? Or do you think they would consider it a junkyard and boot us out? I will bring my Eyetalian flag with me and try to come up with a TLS flag to fly with it, so that all the curious can find the faithful TLS members. And of course we will need to get a team photo for NAP! Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 18:23:46 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: alfakarl@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:21:56 EDT Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats Last year Linnhoff(The KnuckleDragger) staked out part of the back row for us. It wound up being a bunch of TLS members mixed in with KC people and anybody else that couldn't find a spot near the fast guys!!! The only criteria was you had to have no self respect. It was great. We need to find out who is gonna get there first and make sure they have the "Official" TLS chalk to mark our territory. What do you guys think???? Mike(Duct tape lives) B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 18:29:53 2000 From: Gail/Sid deLeon To: Hottvr@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:32:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats People bringing booze to the CP party are called " Honored Guests" Hottvr@aol.com wrote: > How many Team Laughing Stock members will be at the Nats this year?? I know > Captain Karl(DTN),The KnuckleDragger,Johnny Lee and myself are gonna make it. > Who else????? Maybe we could crash the CP party??? Linnhoff did it last year > and lived(Its tough even for CP guys to try to muscle a guy thats 6 feet tall > and 270)!!!!! > I bet they would let us in if we brought 4 or 5 cases of beer and a bucket of > "Extra > Crispy"????? Ya think?????? > > Mike B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 18:32:53 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: alfakarl@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:31:06 EDT Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats In a message dated 8/22/00 5:09:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, alfakarl@hotmail.com writes: << And of course we will need to get a team photo for NAP! >> You think NAP would do that??? Now thats a plan!!!!! Mike(Didn't they cover the CP Party?? I guess anything is possible)B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 18:36:05 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: deleon@sstar.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:34:43 EDT Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats In a message dated 8/22/00 5:29:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, deleon@sstar.com writes: << People bringing booze to the CP party are called " Honored Guests" Hottvr@aol.com wrote: > How many Team Laughing Stock members will be at the Nats this year?? I know > Captain Karl(DTN),The KnuckleDragger,Johnny Lee and myself are gonna make it. > Who else????? Maybe we could crash the CP party??? Linnhoff did it last year > and lived(Its tough even for CP guys to try to muscle a guy thats 6 feet tall > and 270)!!!!! > I bet they would let us in if we brought 4 or 5 cases of beer and a bucket of > "Extra > Crispy"????? Ya think?????? > > Mike B. TLS#1 99cm >> Ok, "Honored Guests" Hummm. When is it??? Do they know who we are???? Mike B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 18:42:59 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: Hottvr@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:26:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats Sure we'd do that, whet our whistle a little. :-) --Pat Kelly Hottvr@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/22/00 5:09:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > alfakarl@hotmail.com writes: > > << And of course we will need to get a team photo for NAP! > >> > You think NAP would do that??? Now thats a plan!!!!! > > Mike(Didn't they cover the CP Party?? I guess anything is possible)B. TLS#1 > 99cm From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 18:45:35 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Dave Whitworth" , "Mo Soar" , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:52:00 -0400 Subject: RE: Autocross results software In addition to Dave's post Philadelphia region implemented the network version of autox/ts Well we actually beta tested and helped debug it, the network database is awesome, We have 2 PC's at registration so when everything works there is never that "LINE" at registration Bar-coded drivers go in one line, non bar-coded drivers in the other, and our registration people Are wonderful they can set up their own computers connect to the database We have a brother P-touch that prints out the bar codes and we can assign them in any order we choose This takes away the worry of the computer operator staging the cars. Just as the cars pull into staging You have the staging worker scan the car, now this makes his job very important, he must not let cars sneak in line and not get scanned It will muss up the works. But it is nice we don't have to run in car# or class order so if "Gazoo"(tm) needs an extra 10 min to get his tow settings Right it is no problem and with proper course design we can send a car every 20 seconds, this allowed us even with the teething Pains of getting used to a new system to add 1-2 additional runs EVERY event so we can have 150 cars and 6 runs if everything works 100% The most amazing part is we run a split day format, so the registration is running while the event is going on There is no pause in the middle of the day for registration, all 3 computers can hit the database without a hitch Now the only problem we have run into is a budget for all the equipment 3 computers Lan cables Barcode scanners Etc.. all get expensive And yes training the operators is my major problem, the system is simple but until you have palyed with it you can never know I find myself being called to the truck often for problems that could have been resolved with a 5 min crash course for all workers But I am confident I can pull just about any driver from the worker pool and sit him in front of the PC and run T+S with a short instruction And as more people get comfortable with our system the smoother the events run Jeff Lloyd T+S guy -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dave Whitworth Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:42 AM To: Mo Soar; autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Autocross results software Here in St. Louis we are implementing AutoX T/S from Robb Gregg in Topeka. It does have several features for tracking year end points, etc but we are not using them as of yet since we started in the middle of the year. It exports a text based file for the results that could be imported very easily to a web page (or spreadsheet). We e-mail our results via an excel file and that works very well. Our pointskeeper, Eric Buckley tracks all of the points, index points, rookie points manually, and then e-mails the spreadsheet out. Now, my thoughts on actual field use of these systems: If you use the automated time entry, you have to have a computer operator who is familiar with the system and can concentrate well. A lot of "regular" T&S people just can't do this job, they don't have the personality for it. In the hectic T&S trailer, you have to concentrate on what cars are staged, not who just finished and you have to filter out distractions from the announcer and time logger. We use three people, a computer operator, a manual time logger and an announcer and it *finally* works well. There are also several other changes we had to make in order to use the computer: 1) Our timing trailer has windows on both sides and a back door. Traditionally, we had the back (open) end pointing towards the course, but for the computer, it works better with the back end pointing towards grid/start so the computer operator can see the cars in line 2) All cars must be clearly marked with number and class. We also have a large lot, so we banned shoe polish because it is hard to see 1/4 mile away. We now provide numbers/letters printed on 1/2 sheets of paper for competitors to tape on their cars. 3) An error log. Keep a pad of paper handy to log problems so you can go straight to the "bad" cars when auditing. 4) Radio protocol: It is more important for the corner captains to clearly state cone count, car number, class. The old "+1 on the red car" won't cut it. Overall, the system makes results much easier to tabulate. WE now post results after each heat, and can give out trophies within 10 min of the end of the event. It also saves data entry on the pointskeeper end. The hardest part is training operators. We started with 3 people who were intimately familiar with the system (we "mock" timed a few events before going live) and are slowly training new people one at a time. Like I said before, it takes a certain personality to do this job, and not everybody can do it. We have had people who could run a "manual" timing system by themselves, but can't keep up with the computer! I don't see it a insult if someone can't do it, we just find another job. It will take a while to get a fell for the people involved. Hope this rambling helps Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mo Soar" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Autocross results software > > I'm looking for your experiences with software for results entry for > autocross. I'm not really looking for real-time scoring capability (though > I'd like to hear what those of you who use automated time entry programs > think of them) but am more interested in the related "background" features > - tracking SCCA membership numbers, mailing and email info, year-end points > reports, generating results web pages. > > Thanks, > Maureen Soar > Oregon Region SCCA Solo2 webqueen > D Prepared Fiat X1/9 > From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 18:56:32 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: , , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:03:37 -0400 Subject: RE: Autocross results software And we have a local guy who has built a program to convert the autox/ts native output into a form that can provide Graphical results Check out http://www.chesco.com/~linsoft/soloii/ it is very nice Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of JVHT@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:07 PM To: msoar@home.com; autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Autocross results software My favorite is: AutoX/TS or http://www.autox.kawvalley.net/ Check out our results! John Taylor Webmaster@ Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Website From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 18:55:12 2000 From: "Kelly, Katie" To: "'Hottvr@aol.com'" , alfakarl@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:54:08 -0700 Subject: RE: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats Dear Agent #68 (Bultemeier), Welcome to the North American Pylon Team. Due to a severe staff shortage, we are asking you to cover the CP Party for the pages of NAP. We apologize for the short notice, but we honestly didn't know you would be attending. The natives of CP are a kind and generous people, but you must be willing to adapt, quickly, to their culture. We ask that you bring the following items with you, lest you appear too "furrin'": 1. Various forms of alcohol. 2. Several rolls of toilet paper - apparently, this is a key ingredient of a very old and traditional CP ritual that I have only heard about in CP mythology. We also have in our libraries extensive volumes documenting the vast and rich CP traditions of dress, story telling, and carriage building. We also have in our collection a CP phrasebook, to aid in your assimilation. We wish you great luck, and our deadline is September 24th. Thank you, Katie Kelly, Your friendly Ace Reporter > -----Original Message----- > From: Hottvr@aol.com [mailto:Hottvr@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 5:31 PM > To: alfakarl@hotmail.com > Cc: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats > > > In a message dated 8/22/00 5:09:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > alfakarl@hotmail.com writes: > > << And of course we will need to get a team photo for NAP! > >> > You think NAP would do that??? Now thats a plan!!!!! > > Mike(Didn't they cover the CP Party?? I guess anything is > possible)B. TLS#1 > 99cm > From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 19:15:34 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: kkelly@spss.com, alfakarl@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:13:50 EDT Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats Are you kidding me!!! I went to college at Northwest Missouri State. It was the original "Animal House" back in 1976. I will have no problem reporting on this one!! I understand that this event is one that you can't drive away from? First off I need to know when it is(CP Party) and how I'm gonna get back to Capital Plaza after my coverage of this event???? My wife is gonna kill me when she hears about this one!!! Reporter for NAP?? Are you guys sure you are ready for this one??? Mike(You think your mom will buy it Rusty?, No dad, she was naked)B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 19:33:15 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "Gail/Sid deLeon" , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:24:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats RIGHT!!! If memory serves me, Tequila and Sprite (easy on the Sprite) were the favored ingredients in "poopsie's" concoctions. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other animals....except weasels." Homer Simpson -----Original Message----- >People bringing booze to the CP party are called " Honored Guests" From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 19:35:09 2000 From: "John Steczkowski" To: "autox list" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:34:31 -0500 Subject: Re: The Phil Update I forgot to do the Phil update from Sunday... He showed up in Waco Texas and autocrossed a borrowed Europa and had a good time. It was a real pleasure to meet him after knowing him via the web for at least 10 years.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren Williams" To: "autox list" Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:28 AM Subject: The Phil Update > > Just thought I'd share that Phil Ethier was here in Wichita last night. He > and his "new" TR4 are doing great with no trouble thus far. The car is > beautiful and strong, and the worst part of the trip (hot, hot TX & OK > weather) is behind him. He'll be doing the Wichita-DesMoines leg of the > trip today. > > > -- > Loren Williams | Loren@kscable.com > '94 Saturn SC2 | Wichita Region SCCA - http://www2.southwind.net/~scca From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 19:39:40 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "autocross list" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:31:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats/CP treachery Oh what wicked, wicked ways those CP'ers use to entice poor humble DS folks into their rank and file. Free plentiful booze and naked pale skinny butts on top of RVs. Some crazy guy even tried to sell me something called a Corvair. Said it was a cool car to race. I think he was wasted though. They also said that I already had the physique of a CP driver. What'd they mean by that? Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other animals....except weasels." Homer Simpson From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 20:18:14 2000 From: "nathan_pitchford" To: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:14:57 -0500 Subject: Question about St. Louis Gateway to the Nationals Just a few questions pertaining to Gateway to the Nationals event in St. Louis, MO.: 1. Can a unexperienced person or rookie enter this event? 2. Also can you enter just for one day or does it have to be two? 3. What is the special I heard about the entry fee? If there are any other differences between this event and the regular one day events I would like to know. Thanks Nathan From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 20:28:14 2000 From: Randall E Keeton To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:25:56 -0500 Subject: Wheels for sale This message is for the Pontiac and Chevy FS crowd. I have four 1994 Pontiac 16 X 8 stock wheels that have only been used the occasional Saturday and Sunday since new. I purchased them from SLP as take offs and they come with the center caps, never used! The wheels have a few cone marks and scratches but have never been curbed. I'll have them in Topeka and am asking US$300.00 or will trade for four 3rd generation Camaro or Pontiac 16 X 8 wheels. If anyone is interested, I can be reached at randykeeton@juno.com Thanks, Randy Keeton ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 20:30:03 2000 From: John Lieberman To: Hottvr@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:28:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats Hey, I'm game for the CP party crash! I'm just a scrawny little fart, but I always try to have plenty of that pop with the foam on top handy and a bucket of extra crispy wouldn't be that hard to come by!!! Does everybody have their TLS banners (available from Solo Time) and plenty of duct tape?!?!? John (Old Fartz & TLS #37) Lieberman Hottvr@aol.com wrote: > > How many Team Laughing Stock members will be at the Nats this year?? I know > Captain Karl(DTN),The KnuckleDragger,Johnny Lee and myself are gonna make it. > Who else????? Maybe we could crash the CP party??? Linnhoff did it last year > and lived(Its tough even for CP guys to try to muscle a guy thats 6 feet tall > and 270)!!!!! > I bet they would let us in if we brought 4 or 5 cases of beer and a bucket of > "Extra > Crispy"????? Ya think?????? > > Mike B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 20:36:28 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: johnlee@softdisk.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:34:47 EDT Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats In a message dated 8/22/00 7:28:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, johnlee@softdisk.com writes: << Hey, I'm game for the CP party crash! I'm just a scrawny little fart, but I always try to have plenty of that pop with the foam on top handy and a bucket of extra crispy wouldn't be that hard to come by!!! Does everybody have their TLS banners (available from Solo Time) and plenty of duct tape?!?!? >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------- I'm gonna buy a few of the TLS banners just to give away to new members. Think anyone running in CP will put one on??????? Mike(When is the CP Party anyway?)B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 20:39:58 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: eric10mm@qni.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:38:20 EDT Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats/CP treachery In a message dated 8/22/00 6:42:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eric10mm@qni.com writes: << They also said that I already had the physique of a CP driver. What'd they mean by that? Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- They said that to me also??? Whats the deal? They mentioned that I was the only guy in CM that didn't look like a stick???? Mike B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 20:46:05 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:52:59 -0400 Subject: RE: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats What about a team laughing stock contingency program, anyone proudly showing his or her TLS banner (how do you get it over the tire rack banner) And being national champion gets a folding chair, a case of beer, and a carwash by TLS #1 Mike B himself :) Sit in the chair drink the beer and make fun of mike sounds like a complete day for me :) Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Hottvr@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:35 PM To: johnlee@softdisk.com Cc: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats In a message dated 8/22/00 7:28:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, johnlee@softdisk.com writes: << Hey, I'm game for the CP party crash! I'm just a scrawny little fart, but I always try to have plenty of that pop with the foam on top handy and a bucket of extra crispy wouldn't be that hard to come by!!! Does everybody have their TLS banners (available from Solo Time) and plenty of duct tape?!?!? >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---------------------------------------- I'm gonna buy a few of the TLS banners just to give away to new members. Think anyone running in CP will put one on??????? Mike(When is the CP Party anyway?)B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 20:56:10 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: "nathan_pitchford" , Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:57:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Question about St. Louis Gateway to the Nationals http://www.christoc.com/forums/ 1. Can a unexperienced person or rookie enter this event? Yes, anyone may enter. Same Solo2 Rules apply. Non SCCA members pay more, $55 instead of $45 I believe 2. Also can you enter just for one day or does it have to be two? I believe if you are going to the evolution school at Peru saturday and sunday you can enter to just race Monday at GTN, but you will have to check with dave@wcsllc.net for more specs 3. What is the special I heard about the entry fee? $45 members, $55 non members This is all to my knowledge, I have been known to be wrong! Chris From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 21:08:21 2000 From: "David Shreve" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:07:14 EDT Subject: Tire trailer info needed... Well, after much head scratching and reading through the somewhat mixed responses to my last query, I went with a NuWay 4x8 trailer kit. I got it for $218 from Menards. That's a hell of a deal on a 4x8 if anyone else is in the market... Anyways, I am planning on building it this weekend. I think I'll cut it down to 4x6 because I really don't need THAT much space. Aside from the obvious things like a big tool box, pressure-trated decking, tie downs, etc., what do I need to be looking into getting? Browsing through the automotive department at Walmart revealed myriad of parts... Mounted spare tires and mounting hardware--do I need to know anything about these or are they good for highway use? Hub caps with grease fittings--will these fit and should I buy them? Spare bearings--I assume I should carry some--are these going to be the right size? The trailer has the small 8" wheel/tire package, so I assume I'll be eating bearings pretty quickly?? I am planning to take the trailer on its maiden voyage to the Evolution Nationals Warm-up at Peru, then I'll be leaving for Topeka the next weekend. Is there anything special I need to do to get it ready for the long trip? In the manual, it says the maximum recommended speed for a car towing a trailer is 55mph. That's just there for legal reasons, right? Is there anything I am missing? Once again, please reply privately, as I am on the digest. -dave ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 21:17:48 2000 From: "Eric Buckley" To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:21:09 -0500 Subject: RE: Question about St. Louis Gateway to the Nationals nathan_pitchford > Just a few questions pertaining to Gateway to the Nationals > event in St. > Louis, MO.: > 1. Can a unexperienced person or rookie enter this event? Yes > 2. Also can you enter just for one day or does it have to be two? Either > 3. What is the special I heard about the entry fee? $25 one day, $45 two day SCCA member, $55 two day non-SCCA member > If there are any other differences between this event and > the regular one > day events I would like to know. Thanks Aside from it not being one day? Seriously, this is still just driving around cones. Pre-registration is required. Tech is the day before. Heats are larger. Organization is somewhat tighter. But the bottom line is we're still out to have a good time. Actually, the regular St. Louis Region events are getting so big they feel more like divisionals. Eric Buckley 7STR: 98 Integra GSR St Louis Region GTN T&S co-chief From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 21:20:12 2000 From: "Carl C." To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:19:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Autocross results software (Timing in general) >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:24:05 -0500 (CDT) >From: Lloyd.Wilson@Alcan.Com >Subject: Re: Autocross results software > >- --Boundary_(ID_5CGNj+YY9dKOgdbKR1u+Ow) > >Just to expand upon Dave's comments - not only does it take a certain adept >computer operator but also the rest of the timing crew. They all have to work >together. This is not something new but I believe more critical with a >computer based timing system. It only takes "one bad egg" to make everyone >else's job that much more difficult. Some people in timing can get side >tracked very easily and forget their main responsibility is timing and not >helping other people with questions. Thats why at Equipe Rapide events, when I do Speed Trials (multilap) events, I warn people at the drivers meeting that I maybe wearing a side arm (with Hollow Points).... (heheheheh) Actually, I did have someone keep bugging me one time, I just asked for his car # and started adding cones... For some reason he shutup and left..... Carl (I do timing, just timing, don't ask me for anything else! 8^) ). --- Carlc@iname.com --- WWW Home Page of --- - Equipe Rapide Sports Car Club (ER) in West Palm Beach/Ft. Lauderdale - South Florida Sports Car Assoc. (SFSCA) in Miami/Ft. Lauderdale http://autox.carlc.com/ Why do I live in Florida? So I can race all year long! South Park Racing Oh my God, You killed a cone.... You Bastard! From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 22:34:49 2000 From: Matthew Carson To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:34:16 -0400 Subject: Shock question OK, this is not exactly autox related but it is close.... I need to replace the shocks on my 1990 Crown Vic wagon. I know what good performance shocks are out there, but I don't know what good CHEAP shocks are out there. Any suggestions? I would prefer a little better handling (who wouldn't on this list?), but that may be asking too much... Cheap is still the operative word here. -Matt From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 22:42:14 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "Autox@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:48:48 -0400 Subject: Autocross Results Software Anyone interested in the autox/TS program, I am a hardware supplier and PC technician and have a bunch of experience setting up The autox/ts software, in various configurations I can help any region get up and running and will travel to help with set up for free (Region must only cover my expenses, food lodging, travel etc.) I have tried various configurations here in my office and on site and Can put together a solution for your region, and offer training as my gift to the solo2 community that has treated me so well:) Jeff Lloyd President, Cyberconceptz.com Complete computer solutions From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 23:32:24 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "David Shreve" , Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:23:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Tire trailer info needed... Find someone with a welder and weld along all the seams and overlaps and then hit them with some paint to prevent rust. When I got my 40x48" Harbor Freight kit I assembled it in the house with hand tools. I did it on a known flat floor and got it all straight and perfectly diagonally measured then I tightened all the bolts down and towed it to my friend Mike's shop to start welding the 1" square tubing wall uprights onto it. The external box dimensions are 40" wide by 48" long by 26" tall. Internally it's big enough for eight 225 width tires up to 25" tall with some room to cram tools and stuff between them. In that short drive to Mike's shop the frame "tweaked" due to bad design and crappy Chinese hardware that wouldn't hold it together tight enough. We didn't notice it until it was already too late and now the walls and roof of my trailer have a very slight tweak to them. No biggie but......... Also, there have been reports of the tongue ripping out of the rest of the frame rails and if you look at it there's only about 4 bolts that hold the tongue in place. It really is cheap pot grade steel. Again, find that guy with a welder and weld every overlap and seam together. We also didn't like the super-flexy 3 sided (no bottom side) tongue deal so we welded a piece of 2"x1/4" thick cold rolled steel along the entire length of the bottom of the tongue. Man that REALLY stiffened it up. All said, if I had to do it over again I'd build it totally from scratch with 2x2" frame rails. Get the "bearing buddy" hub center caps with the zerk fittings in them so you can grease them periodically. There are also some (marine grade?) that have spring loaded indicators which let you know when it's time to re-grease them. Toss that crappy mayonnaise-like Chinese grease away and go buy a tub of good black moly-graphite bearing grease and really load them up. Give them a few squirts of grease before each long trip. Don't be shy with the grease. I don't think you can over grease these loose leaky bearings. ABSOLUTELY go buy a spare wheel/tire and don't worry about carrying spare bearings if you use good quality (and plenty) grease. The lights and wiring that came with mine were total crap so I went to Wal-Mart and bought good quality American made Peterson lights and wiring. Wal-Mart also has a ton of other neat trailer accessories like a handle for the tongue to make moving it by hand easier, spare tire mounting kits, coupler locks and retractable wheel/stands. Oh, and my trailer tows rock steady at up to 115mph behind my Neon. ;^) The springs are a little stiff for my light payloads since the trailer is rated for 1000 lbs and I usually run less than a 500# load (including the trailer's weight) and it hops around over road bumps at city speeds. I may "soften" the springs a bit next year and possibly flip the axle on top of the springs to lower the trailer 2". Be prepared for longer stopping distances with a heavy trailer and worse gas mileage. Strong side winds will also get your attention. I enclosed my trailer with .060" bright shiny aluminum panels and a ton of rivets and it sits about 3" higher than the trunk of my car. Any higher and it would occlude my rear vision. Good luck, take your time and spare no expense. Buy once, cry once. Always buy the best and you'll never be disappointed. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other animals....except weasels." Homer Simpson -----Original Message----- I went with a NuWay 4x8 trailer kit Aside from the >obvious things like a big tool box, pressure-trated decking, tie downs, >etc., what do I need to be looking into getting? From autox-owner Tue Aug 22 23:33:19 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: "David Shreve" , Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:24:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Tire trailer info needed... Oh, I'll be at the Peru warmup event too. You can see my trailer there. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other animals....except weasels." Homer Simpson -----Original Message----- From: David Shreve To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: Tire trailer info needed... >Well, after much head scratching and reading through the somewhat mixed >responses to my last query, I went with a NuWay 4x8 trailer kit. I got it >for $218 from Menards. That's a hell of a deal on a 4x8 if anyone else is >in the market... > >Anyways, I am planning on building it this weekend. I think I'll cut it >down to 4x6 because I really don't need THAT much space. Aside from the >obvious things like a big tool box, pressure-trated decking, tie downs, >etc., what do I need to be looking into getting? > >Browsing through the automotive department at Walmart revealed myriad of >parts... Mounted spare tires and mounting hardware--do I need to know >anything about these or are they good for highway use? Hub caps with grease >fittings--will these fit and should I buy them? Spare bearings--I assume I >should carry some--are these going to be the right size? The trailer has >the small 8" wheel/tire package, so I assume I'll be eating bearings pretty >quickly?? > >I am planning to take the trailer on its maiden voyage to the Evolution >Nationals Warm-up at Peru, then I'll be leaving for Topeka the next weekend. > Is there anything special I need to do to get it ready for the long trip? >In the manual, it says the maximum recommended speed for a car towing a >trailer is 55mph. That's just there for legal reasons, right? > >Is there anything I am missing? > >Once again, please reply privately, as I am on the digest. > >-dave >________________________________________________________________________ > From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 01:43:46 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: , Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:59:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats Mike, I believe it is Sunday evening, at Solo City. Better not tell the spouse you're going 'neckin'. It's a CP thang, and she might not understand... Phil O. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats > In a message dated 8/22/00 7:28:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > johnlee@softdisk.com writes: > > << Hey, I'm game for the CP party crash! I'm just a scrawny little fart, > but I always try to have plenty of that pop with the foam on top handy > and a bucket of extra crispy wouldn't be that hard to come by!!! > > Does everybody have their TLS banners (available from Solo Time) and > plenty of duct tape?!?!? >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ---------------------------------------- > I'm gonna buy a few of the TLS banners just to give away to new members. > Think anyone running in CP will put one on??????? > > Mike(When is the CP Party anyway?)B. TLS#1 99cm > From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 06:15:07 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: "nathan_pitchford" , Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:16:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Question about St. Louis Gateway to the Nationals To answer your questions: 1. Yes. As a divisional event, it will run a little different than a regular event that you may have run before. We won't have loaner helmets available, you will have to have SCCA legal numbers and class designations on your car. Pre registration is required, and you must check in and get teched on Saturday. WE are not accepting walk in registrations, and tech will NOT be available on Sunday (except for emergencies) 2. See Eric Buckley's post 3. Eric took care of this one too. The entry deadline without a late fee is this Friday, August 25th so hurry and get your entry in. Dave Whitworth SGTN Chair ----- Original Message ----- From: "nathan_pitchford" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:14 PM Subject: Question about St. Louis Gateway to the Nationals > Just a few questions pertaining to Gateway to the Nationals event in St. > Louis, MO.: > 1. Can a unexperienced person or rookie enter this event? > 2. Also can you enter just for one day or does it have to be two? > 3. What is the special I heard about the entry fee? > If there are any other differences between this event and the regular one > day events I would like to know. Thanks > > Nathan > > From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 06:19:49 2000 From: "Dan Morency" To: "autox" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:22:54 -0400 Subject: Timing and reporting software We use Accucros from GP Software. gpsoftware@icehouse.net We have found that it works well and data entry has been pretty smooth, with no formal training of operators. It outputs simple txt reports that we import into excel to tweak when needed. We publish results at www.CumberlandMotorClub.com as well. We do not use the system for points accounting. we do that separately with excel, most clubs have varied points systems, we include rallies in our points system and meeting attendance etc... We are very happy with the system and it can interface with large display's as well. We are considering this upgrade. Dan Morency From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 07:04:27 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: Hottvr@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:03:26 GMT Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats JD and I will be getting there on Saturday evening and will probably be too pooped to due much after the 20+ hour drive! So who's gonna get there earlier and can stake out some space for TLS? I'd suspect about 20 spots large enough for trailers, what cha think? As for the "Official" TLS chalk, I'd prefer white over silver duct tape ;) >From: Hottvr@aol.com >Last year Linnhoff(The KnuckleDragger) staked out part of the back >row for >us. It wound up being a bunch of TLS members mixed in with KC >people and >anybody else that couldn't find a spot near the fast >guys!!! The only >criteria was you had to have no self respect. It was >great. We need to >find out who is gonna get there first and make sure >they have the >"Official" TLS chalk to mark our territory. What do you >guys think???? Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 07:17:40 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: lollipop@ricochet.net, Hottvr@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:16:36 GMT Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats Oh baby! I'd do just about anything to get published in NAP! Now what did you say I had to "Whet"? >From: Pat Kelly >Sure we'd do that, whet our whistle a little. :-) >--Pat Kelly >Hottvr@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/22/00 5:09:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > alfakarl@hotmail.com writes: > > > > << And of course we will need to get a team photo for NAP! > > >> > > You think NAP would do that??? Now thats a plan!!!!! > > Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 07:19:07 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: alfakarl@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:17:54 EDT Subject: Nat's parking, was TLS to the Nats alfakarl@hotmail.com writes: << So who's gonna get there earlier and can stake out some space for TLS? I'd suspect about 20 spots large enough for trailers, what cha think? >> I thought I read something earlier in the year that some type of measure was going to be put in place to limit the land claim rush in the Nat's parking lot. Don't know if it will hold true or not. Sipe From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 07:23:52 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: kkelly@spss.com, Hottvr@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:23:01 GMT Subject: RE: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats >From: "Kelly, Katie" >Dear Agent #68 (Bultemeier), He's agent #1, double check your TLS database ;) >Welcome to the North American Pylon Team. >The natives of CP are a kind and generous people, but you must be >willing >to adapt, quickly, to their culture. We ask that you bring >the following >items with you, lest you appear too "furrin'": >1. Various forms of alcohol. >2. Several rolls of toilet paper - apparently, this is a key >ingredient of >a very old and traditional CP ritual that I have only >heard about in CP >mythology. Does the phrase "Margarita Machine" come into play here? I think a Road and Track style performance story/report would be a great idea on the 2000 Margarita Machine! >We also have in our collection a CP phrasebook, to aid in your > >assimilation. I'll take one! Does it have a CP to Redneck translation section? Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 07:27:01 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: Jeff@cyberconceptz.com, Hottvr@aol.com, johnlee@softdisk.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:26:06 GMT Subject: RE: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats >From: "Jeff Lloyd" >What about a team laughing stock contingency program, anyone proudly > >showing his or her TLS banner (how do you get it over the tire rack > >banner) And being national champion gets a folding chair, a case of > >beer, and a carwash by TLS #1 Mike B himself :) >Sit in the chair drink the beer and make fun of mike sounds like a > >complete day for me :) In true TLS fashion I think we ought to change the critera to read, whomever looses by the greatest amount wins! Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 07:31:23 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: autox mailing list Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats Howdy, On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 Hottvr@aol.com wrote: > I'm gonna buy a few of the TLS banners just to give away to new members. > Think anyone running in CP will put one on??????? Save one for me. I think my car is gonna be required to run one... :-) Mark (cp #61. I was using the grinder on the car just last night... :-) From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 07:36:06 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: TeamZ3@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:27:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Nat's parking, was TLS to the Nats Mark Last year we only staked out spots for people we knew were coming. We also only took one space per person. We left the TLS semi at home in KC just to make extra space in the paddock for others. Last year we were on the back row and it was only a third full at any one time. Mike B. TLS#1 99cm TeamZ3@aol.com wrote: > alfakarl@hotmail.com writes: > > << So who's gonna get there earlier and can stake out some space for TLS? > I'd suspect about 20 spots large enough for trailers, what cha think? >> > > I thought I read something earlier in the year that some type of measure was > going to be put in place to limit the land claim rush in the Nat's parking > lot. Don't know if it will hold true or not. > > Sipe From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 07:46:22 2000 From: Jeffrey Blankenship To: "'Matthew Carson'" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:44:51 -0500 Subject: RE: Shock question > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Carson [mailto:mcars@vt.edu] > Subject: Shock question > > > OK, this is not exactly autox related but it is close.... > > I need to replace the shocks on my 1990 Crown Vic wagon. I > know what good performance shocks are out there, but I don't > know what good CHEAP shocks are out there. Any suggestions? > I would prefer a little better handling > (who wouldn't on this list?), but that may be asking too > much... Cheap is still the operative word here. > > -Matt Ahhh, Matt, any advice you happen to receive might be applicable to my Windstar. The stock stuff seems to go limp at about 45-50k. Guess what? Yup. Well, I still want a cloud-soft ride, minus the oscillation. And I remember in my youth (late '70s) getting Monroes and wondering afterwards if the shocks really had been changed, maybe they're better now, but I dunno. Plus, I did just buy Tokicos for the MR2, tires are next, so every penny has to pull its weight... --- Jeffrey D. Blankenship Senior Technical Consultant jblanken@amdocs.com Amdocs - ITDS - TRIS+ '91 MR2 Turbo, neon enthusiast #478 Champaign, IL, USA From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 07:56:17 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Mike Bultemeier'" , Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:52:22 -0500 Subject: RE: Nat's parking, was TLS to the Nats That, and it cuts down on the number of folks who tramp around through your area/stuff. And our various oil leaks don't get driven through as much that way. ;^) But yes, last year I got there early and "roped" off a fairly large section for TLS and KC folks. It must've looked really funny to see a large man leaning out the door of his Neon (not yakking) while driving around in big squares and dragging a piece of sidewalk chalk on the ground. I can do the same this year as I plan to arrive late Friday. I'll again shoot for the back row but won't chalk off quite as large an area. Also, this year they're (Denver) going to try to enforce the trailer parking issue. That is, empty unneeded trailers should not be parked in the paddock area but rather in the designated trailer parking area. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- Mark Last year we only staked out spots for people we knew were coming. We also only took one space per person. We left the TLS semi at home in KC just to make extra space in the paddock for others. Last year we were on the back row and it was only a third full at any one time. Mike B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 08:01:57 2000 From: jon e prevo To: Hottvr@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:57:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats So how does a newbie get into this Laughing Stock thing anyway? I'm sure I fit the description! Jon FP 73 TCB, TLS, what's the diff? On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:34:47 EDT Hottvr@aol.com writes: > I'm gonna buy a few of the TLS banners just to give away to new > members. > Think anyone running in CP will put one on??????? > > Mike(When is the CP Party anyway?)B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 08:31:06 2000 From: Jarrod Igou To: "autox list" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:24:46 -0500 Subject: Re: The Phil Update And Phil has continued on from Des Moines.....just a hop and a skip and a few hundred miles to St. Paul left! He made it into town by 3:30 yesterday, and I met him, along with a Triumph owner, an Alfa owner and a couple local autocrossers, for a good "healthy" tenderloin sandwich and a couple rides in the Triumph. Sure is a different kinda beast than my little Honda product... Amazingly, yesterday was overcast and foggy until about 3:00 in the afternoon, when the sun came out and it was beautiful. Not sure if it's a coincidence that Phil was pulling into town at that time or not. Jarrod At 08:34 PM 8/22/2000 , John Steczkowski wrote: >I forgot to do the Phil update from Sunday... He showed up in Waco Texas and >autocrossed a borrowed Europa and had a good time. It was a real pleasure to >meet him after knowing him via the web for at least 10 years.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jarrod Igou Online Production Coordinator The Des Moines Register http://DesMoinesRegister.com 515-286-2585 jigou@dmreg.com From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 08:36:08 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: tcbracer@juno.com, Hottvr@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:15:05 GMT Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock Membership >From: jon e prevo >So how does a newbie get into this Laughing Stock thing anyway? I'm >sure >I fit the description! Our fearless leader (Mike B.) can sign you up, if you have a photo of your car you can send it to me and I can get it up on the TLS website. http://personalpages.tds.net/~alfakarl/index.htm Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 08:38:46 2000 From: Jeff Lloyd To: jblanken@amdocs.com Date: 23 Aug 2000 07:35:47 -0700 Subject: RE: Shock question bilsteins are not exactly cheap, but they are really well made and usually last 150k miles or more we moved up to A z71 from a standard chevy 4x4 one of the changes was the shocks and the ride was much better and they came standard on the new YUKON we bought, I drove a "new" Z71 and the shocks are not as good as the bilsteins.. a little pricy but worth it Jeff Lloyd On Wed, 23 August 2000, Jeffrey Blankenship wrote: > Subject: RE: Shock question > Sender: owner-autox@autox.team.net > To: "'Matthew Carson'" > Delivered-To: cyberconceptz.com%jeff@cyberconceptz.com > cyberconceptz.com%jeff@cyberconceptz.com > From: Jeffrey Blankenship > Cc: "'autox@autox.team.net'" > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e7NDjaP13110 > for autox-actors; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:45:36 -0600 (MDT) > (cpmta 9775 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2000 06:46:39 -0700 > from teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (207.173.21.42) > by smtp.c008.sfo.cp.net (209.228.13.32) with SMTP; 23 Aug 2000 06:46:39 -0700 > from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e7NDkBE13154; > Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:46:12 -0600 (MDT) > by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:45:38 -0600 > (from majordom@localhost) > by teamfat2.dsl.aros.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e7NDjaP13110 > for autox-actors; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:45:36 -0600 (MDT) > X-Authentication-Warning: teamfat2.dsl.aros.net: majordom set sender to owner-autox@Autox.Team.Net using -f > Return-Path: > Content-Length: 1205 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > X-Received: 23 Aug 2000 13:46:39 GMT > Reply-To: Jeffrey Blankenship > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:44:51 -0500 > Message-Id: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF04ED9F8A@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com> > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Carson [mailto:mcars@vt.edu] > > Subject: Shock question > > > > > > OK, this is not exactly autox related but it is close.... > > > > I need to replace the shocks on my 1990 Crown Vic wagon. I > > know what good performance shocks are out there, but I don't > > know what good CHEAP shocks are out there. Any suggestions? > > I would prefer a little better handling > > (who wouldn't on this list?), but that may be asking too > > much... Cheap is still the operative word here. > > > > -Matt > > > Ahhh, Matt, any advice you happen to receive might be applicable to > my Windstar. The stock stuff seems to go limp at about 45-50k. > Guess what? Yup. Well, I still want a cloud-soft ride, minus > the oscillation. And I remember in my youth (late '70s) getting > Monroes and wondering afterwards if the shocks really had been > changed, maybe they're better now, but I dunno. Plus, I did just buy > Tokicos for the MR2, tires are next, so every penny has to pull its > weight... > --- > Jeffrey D. Blankenship Senior Technical Consultant > jblanken@amdocs.com Amdocs - ITDS - TRIS+ > '91 MR2 Turbo, neon enthusiast #478 Champaign, IL, USA From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 08:41:02 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'autox'" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:21:48 -0500 Subject: Crane FireWire plug wires Just a tidbit of info for my autocrossing friends. Crane Cams is fire-saling off a bunch of their FireWire spark plug wires at 60% off. I bought two sets of custom fit wires for my Neon for the low low price of $12 a set, shipped. Even the el-cheapo generic parts store brand wires cost me more than that, plus sales tax. http://www.cranecams.com Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 09:50:10 2000 From: "Jay Mitchell" To: "Jarrod Igou" , "autox list" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:48:35 -0500 Subject: Re: The Phil Update Jarrod Igou wrote: > And Phil has continued on from Des Moines.....just a hop and a skip and a > few hundred miles to St. Paul left! That's good to hear. Sounds like his trip is proceeding according to plan. And John Steczkowski wrote: >I forgot to do the Phil update from Sunday... Me, too. Here's a belated partial account of Sunday's activities. I'm sure Phil will elaborate once he's back home. > He showed up in Waco Texas and >autocrossed a borrowed Europa That would be mine. > and had a good time. He drove well, survived the Texas August heat, and met several team.netters at the event. We had dinner with John and Donaleigh Engstrom and Jon Prevo and his family afterwards, then drove 110 miles to my house East of Dallas. He spent the night there and headed out the next morning. The TR4 is in outstanding shape. It's not restored, it's just been carefully maintained and driven since new. There aren't too many like that still around. Jay From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 10:17:56 2000 From: "Kelly, Katie" To: "'Karl Rickert'" , lollipop@ricochet.net, Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:16:03 -0700 Subject: RE: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats Dear Agent #69 (Rickert), Welcome to the North American Pylon Team. Due to our severe staff shortage, we are asking you to cover the Driver To Nationals angle for the pages of North American Pylon. A check for a modest sum of money, courtesy of NAP, is on its way. This should help cover some minor living expenses during your stay in Topeka, such as a hamburger at the concession stand. If you have any difficulty communicating with the natives, feel free to consult with Agent #68 (Bultemeier). Good luck, Agent #69, and don't forget, our deadline is September 24th. Sincerely, Katie Kelly Ace Reporter North American Pylon > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Rickert [mailto:alfakarl@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 6:17 AM > To: lollipop@ricochet.net; Hottvr@aol.com > Cc: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats > > > Oh baby! I'd do just about anything to get published in NAP! > Now what did > you say I had to "Whet"? > > > >From: Pat Kelly > > >Sure we'd do that, whet our whistle a little. :-) > >--Pat Kelly > > >Hottvr@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/22/00 5:09:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > alfakarl@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > << And of course we will need to get a team photo for NAP! > > > >> > > > You think NAP would do that??? Now thats a plan!!!!! > > > > > > Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net > > Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: > > Karl Rickert > 54 Barnes Ave > Chattahoochee, FL 32324 > > Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" > Y2K Team.net DTN > Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive > Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman > SEDiv Solo2 Registrar > CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider > EP/GT4 Datsun 510 > TLS #25 > TLS Webmeister > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 10:32:01 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: kkelly@spss.com, lollipop@ricochet.net, Hottvr@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:31:03 GMT Subject: RE: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats >From: "Kelly, Katie" >Dear Agent #69 (Rickert), Hummm, I like the sound of that! ;P >Welcome to the North American Pylon Team. >Due to our severe staff shortage, we are asking you to cover the >Driver To >Nationals angle for the pages of North American Pylon. Can you supply a pencil with spellcheck? >A check for a modest sum of money, courtesy of NAP, is on its way. >This >should help cover some minor living expenses during your stay in >Topeka, >such as a hamburger at the concession stand. What! No drink? >Good luck, Agent #69, and don't forget, our deadline is September >24th. Thanks Katie, hope to see ya at Nats! Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 10:51:28 2000 From: "Kelly, Katie" To: "'Karl Rickert'" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:50:09 -0700 Subject: RE: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats Agent #69 writes... >Thanks Katie, hope to see ya at Nats! First, we can provide a pencil, but due to our severe lack of funds this year, it comes with no spell check. Unfortunately, the Ace Reporter will be unable to attend Nationals this year. And now your friendly Ace Reporter must turn to you, the Team.net Community, for this special announcement. Due to a severe shortage in staff, funds, and talent, NAP is asking you, members of the illustrious group of Team.net, for help. If you find any particular class or Solo II Nationals moment entertaining, dramatic, inspiring, humorous, etc..., please, please feel free to express your thoughts in writing to NAP for our special NAP Solo II Nationals issue. Your editors will somehow decorate this to appear like news. All contributions are greatly appreciated, and we love everybody's writing style. No, we're not glossy like GRM. No, we don't have the editorial talent of Rocky Entriken like SportsCar. All we have are people like you and me, who can every now and then find the time to jot down some words, and pretend it's journalism. Think of NAP as the art on your mom's refrigerator. It's not Monet, but we still think it's beautiful. Yours truly, Katie Kelly Ace Reporter, North American Pylon From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 11:06:38 2000 From: Pat Kelly To: "Kelly, Katie" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:49:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats We have a growing list of writers, many more talented than Katie implies. If you put in a request for a specific class, we will most likely be able to accommodate you. Some classes are already taken: ES, ESL, HS, HSL, EM, EML, DM, DML. Once the work/run groups are figured out, we'll have a better idea of how the whole assignment issue will work out, but if you are running in a particular class and would like to cover that class, it's no problem, obviously. Please let me know... --Pat Kelly Katie's supervisor "Kelly, Katie" wrote: > > Agent #69 writes... > > >Thanks Katie, hope to see ya at Nats! > > First, we can provide a pencil, but due to our severe lack of funds this > year, it comes with no spell check. > > Unfortunately, the Ace Reporter will be unable to attend Nationals this > year. > > And now your friendly Ace Reporter must turn to you, the Team.net Community, > for this special announcement. > > Due to a severe shortage in staff, funds, and talent, NAP is asking you, > members of the illustrious group of Team.net, for help. > > If you find any particular class or Solo II Nationals moment entertaining, > dramatic, inspiring, humorous, etc..., please, please feel free to express > your thoughts in writing to NAP for our special NAP Solo II Nationals issue. > Your editors will somehow decorate this to appear like news. All > contributions are greatly appreciated, and we love everybody's writing > style. > > No, we're not glossy like GRM. No, we don't have the editorial talent of > Rocky Entriken like SportsCar. All we have are people like you and me, who > can every now and then find the time to jot down some words, and pretend > it's journalism. > > Think of NAP as the art on your mom's refrigerator. It's not Monet, but we > still think it's beautiful. > > Yours truly, > Katie Kelly > Ace Reporter, > North American Pylon From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 11:15:06 2000 From: "Kelly, Katie" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:14:14 -0700 Subject: RE: Team Laughing Stock to the Nats My Supervisor writes... > We have a growing list of writers, many >more talented than Katie >implies. I meant lack of talent in terms of QUANTITY, not quality. Shees, Mom! Katie K. From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 11:26:58 2000 From: "Murray, Matthew D." To: kkelly@spss.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: Writing For NAP I thought the New York Times and the Chronicle were filled with people like that. :^) Matt Murray " All the News, that's fit to wrap around 12 pounds of inserts" --From a comic in yesterday's Hartford Courant ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Katie wrote: . . . All we have are people like you and me, who can every now and then find the time to jot down some words, and pretend it's journalism. Think of NAP as the art on your mom's refrigerator. It's not Monet, but we still think it's beautiful. Yours truly, Katie Kelly Ace Reporter, North American Pylon From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 11:38:32 2000 From: "matthew c. mead" To: autox mailing list Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:37:36 -0400 Subject: Gen5 Base Prelude Wheels For Sale I thought I'd give this a shot here before heading over to ebay with them. I have 4 Gen5 Base model Honda Prelude wheels for sale. I picked them up with the intention of putting R compound on them, but sold the Prelude for an M3 prior to doing so. Now I'd like to clear the space in the garage. I routinely autocross in the Blue Ridge Region and Triad Sports Car Club. I'd be willing to bring the wheels to one of these events or within 50 miles of Blacksburg, VA 24060. I'm also willing to ship the wheels, but the buyer will have to pay the actual shipping cost. I'd be happy to just get out of the wheels what I put into them: $250. If you're interested, pictures of them are at: http://www.goof.com/~mmead/wheels/ -matt -- matthew c. mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 12:25:54 2000 From: Jon Rush To: "Linnhoff, Eric" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:20:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Crane FireWire plug wires Uh . . .could you point out where the details of the sale are? I can't find it. Jon Rush "Linnhoff, Eric" wrote: > > Just a tidbit of info for my autocrossing friends. > > Crane Cams is fire-saling off a bunch of their FireWire spark plug wires at > 60% off. I bought two sets of custom fit wires for my Neon for the low low > price of $12 a set, shipped. Even the el-cheapo generic parts store brand > wires cost me more than that, plus sales tax. > > http://www.cranecams.com > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > 1998 Dodge Neon R/T > #69 DS #13 TLS > eric10mm@qni.com > > "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But > the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." > Mother Teresa From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 12:51:02 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:48:20 -0400 Subject: Whoohoo! SM Has a Class! It was my turn to touch base with Denver on how many we have registered for SM, and I get to break the good news: SM has 18 cars signed up in SM Open, and 1 in SML. That makes 19 cars! Whoohoo! SM HAS A CLASS! (assuming they all show up...) Even better: We only need one more car, and then we get 20 cars, and I get to do the "Happy I Told You So Dance" all over a certain yeller Corvette. :) Of interest to others: The current total stands at 1104 entries. Only 96 slots left! DG From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 13:16:19 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:17:54 -0400 Subject: Entry Totals 1104? Hmmm, I thought I head 1140 Monday night, but I could be wrong. Christoc.com Racing Forums http://www.christoc.com/forums -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 13:34:00 2000 From: Jeffrey Blankenship To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:32:32 -0500 Subject: FS: '96 neon OEM alloy wheels with BFG HR4-2s '96 neon OEM alloy wheels with 195/60 BFG HR4-2s. Excellent condition except for cosmetic circular scratch caused by an incompetent tech when balancing them. Tires have mega life left on them, I'd have to get a tread gauge to tell you more, but they look very close to new. Always kept clean and waxed inside and out. $350 plus shipping. --- Jeffrey D. Blankenship Senior Technical Consultant jblanken@amdocs.com Amdocs - ITDS - TRIS+ '91 MR2 Turbo, neon enthusiast #478 Champaign, IL, USA From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 14:06:29 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:52:04 -0400 Subject: Perry drivers and car # changes Latest list of Perry Drivers. Notice that the following people had car number changes: Tom Lumm #12 Patrick Sullivan #12 Trey Sullivan #14 Car# Class Last Name First Name Car 13 AM QUILLIAN MAC 97 MERCER FSAE 34 AM MCMAHAN DAN KBS F500 57 AM HINES RENEE 98 NEON 113 AM THOR JOHNSON 97 MERCER FSAE 134 AM MCMAHAN CLINT KBS F500 14 AS KIPTA KEVIN 72 PORSCHE 911T 28 AS STEVENSON MIKE 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 38 AS RITTER MARK 00 AUDI S4-YELLOW 99 AS SIPE MARK 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 2 ASP MATTHEWS RICHARD 93 MAZDA RX7TT 21 ASP KOBS JOHN 90 MAZDA RX7T 64 ASP DUNCAN JOHN 93 MAZDA RX-7 0 BP DUCHENE STEVEN 87 MERKUR XR4TI 19 BP BRENCHLEY MARK 1986 NISSAN 300 ZX 3 BS DARROW JOHN 00 MIATA 83 BSL DARROW JEANNE 00 MIATA 7 BSP THATCHER-TS BEN 86 CORVETTE 17 BSP RATCLIFFE ED 86 CORVETTE 34 CP SHAFER-TS RICH 84 TRANS-AM 16 CS ANNEE CARL 86 MAZDA RX7 34 CS BAGGARLY SCOTT 92 MIATA 43 CS SKOWRONSKI MATT 91 MAZDA RX7 54 CS PARCON JAY 93 TOYOTA MR2 36 CSP BRUCK CHRIS 84 MAZDA RX7 GSL-SE 59 CSP SWAIN-TS JOHN 96 MIATA 96 CSP BROWN JOHN 86 TOYOTA MR2 113 CSP SOUNDARARAJAN ARJUN 86 HONDA CRX 13 CSPL SOUNDARARAJAN KATE 86 HONDA CRX 89 DM KNOBEL HAROLD AUSTIN MINI COOPER 341 DM HEISER ROB 86 HONDA CIVIC 59 DS HENDY PETER 96 NEON 42 DSP FLANAGAN BRIAN 88 BMW 325I 101 DSP STUBBS BARRY 88 CHEVY CAVALIER 12 EP LUMM TOM 69 BMW 1600 2 EP ODOM MARK 69 BMW 1600 21 EP HATFIELD WARREN 69 BMW 1600 34 EP TINSLEY RICK 86 HONDA CIVIC 134 EP BRYAN-TINSLEY BETSY 86 HONDA CIVIC 7 ES PULLIAM LARRY 00 TOYOTA CELICA 77 ES HENDRICKSON JIM 98 FORD ESCORT 85 ES KROLEWICZ JON 85 HONDA CRX SI 3 ESP SPEARS MARK 96 TRANS-AM 19 ESP LEWIS TRACY 99 MUSTANG COBRA 29 ESP LEWIS ROBERT 99 MUSTANG COBRA 25 FM STROUD JAY 92 KBS 40 FM MURPHY JIM 84 DAREDEVIL F500 FM CROWE CARL 92 KBS 2 FP COFFEY BILL 71 DATSUN 240Z 12 FP SULLIVAN PATRICK 91 MAZDA RX7 13 FS GRANT TYLER 99 TRANS AM 27 FS GRIGG JERRY 96 CAMARO Z28 2 FSP MOORE CHRIS 74 TRIUMPH TR6 21 FSP JACKSON JK 74 TRIUMPH TR6 75 FSP VEHIGE JASON 85 VW GOLF 84 FSP GARINGAN JOE 84 BMW 318I 90 FSP WOERNER STEVEN 97 NISSAN TRUCK 94 GS SIMON-TS THOMAS 95 TAURUS SHO 48 HS WAGNER HEYWARD HONDA CIVIC SI 67 HS SANEY BARRY 91 HONDA CIVIS SI 92 HS MIGLINO PETER GEO STORM 96 HS FOLEY RON 99 MAZDA PROTEGE 18 KMJR RHETT LINDSEY CART COX 4 N SULLIVAN PAT L 87 FIERO 14 N SULLIVAN TREY 96 HONDA CIVIC 5 N VANZINA TONY 96 Honda Civic 9 OSP DIDUCK GARRET 94 MIATA 4 PES RUPP KEN 00 TOYOTA CELICA 35 PFS YOUMANS JEFFERY 96 CAMARO Z28 92 PFS WATERS STEVE 00 CAMARO Z28 192 PFS PULLIAM TOM 00 CAMARO Z28 8 SS ECKLES-TS CHRIS 99 BMW M-ROADSTER 16 SS HOUSER ROBERT 00 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 116 SS FALKNER ROB 00 PORSCHE BOXTER S 16 SSL CASTRO SANDRA 00 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 67 SSL SPENCER CAROLINE 2000 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 6 STR EASTON STEVE 99 HONDA CIVIC 11 STR LOWE SHELTON 00 HONDA PRELUDE 15 STS TOY BRAD 93 SATURN 23 STS TOWNE CHRIS 95 ACURA INTEGRA 27 STS PATRICK KEVIN 96 HONDA PRELUDE 31 STS DOWNS PATRICK 96 VW GTI 52 STS GROTE LUCAS 92 SATURN SL 66 STS OSBORNE PHIL 95 NEON - WHITE 72 STS HAGENBUSH ANDY 99 ACURA INTEGRA 88 STS HOCKENBERRY STEVE 90 HONDA CIVIC Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 15:53:45 2000 From: "Kelly, Katie" To: "'dg50@daimlerchrysler.com'" , Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:52:44 -0700 Subject: RE: Whoohoo! SM Has a Class! Dennis Grant writes... >Even better: We only need one more car, and then >we get 20 cars, and I get >to do the "Happy I Told You So Dance" all over a >certain yeller Corvette. Do you think you could get Bob Tunnell to enter? That would be a really cool race. Katie K. From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 16:19:17 2000 From: Smokerbros@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:18:02 EDT Subject: Re: Whoohoo! SM Has a Class! In a message dated 8/23/2000 2:57:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kkelly@spss.com writes: << Do you think you could get Bob Tunnell to enter? That would be a really cool race. >> Or maybe his brother "Tom Tunnell" who Big Dick Berger picked to win ESP in NAP... I'm sure a whole bunch of ESP ponycar guys would LOVE that!!! If I was an SEB member, I wouldn't get too close to those ESP guys... CHD From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 16:52:03 2000 From: "David Shreve" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:50:51 EDT Subject: Tire trailer and wiring for a Camaro... First, I want to thank everyone for all the replies I've received so far. You've all been really helpful. It seems from the replies I have received that the NuWay brand of trailer kits is actually a fair bit better than the Harbor Freight/Northern Tool kits. All of the folks who replied about the NuWay trailers say they're actually pretty sound structurally in comparison to the rest, with no one mentioning problems similar to those of Mr. Linhoff. If you are looking to buy one in the near future, you may want to keep that in mind. The fact that the tongue has diagonal bracing on the NuWay trailers was enough to steer me toward them. Now, the next question in my quest for tire trailer bliss... Anyone know the wiring schematic for the tail lights in a 97-up Camaro? I need to know it to wire up the trailer lights really easy. Otherwise, I'll have to break out the DMM. Please reply privately as I'm on the digest. -dave _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 17:33:45 2000 From: jim tattersall To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: paint protector Look for "helicopter tape" in the advertisements in Trade-A-Plane. You'll probably find a copy of that laying around at the FBO at your local airport (look for a pilots' lounge). I've seen Trade-A-Plane in some Barnes&Noble stores, but not in my locality. Helicopter tape is the protective tape/film used on the leading edges of helicopters' rotor blades. Its made to be easily replaced without harming the finish on the blade. You might try Aircraft Spruce 1.800.895.4552 as a potential source of supply. But there are probably cheaper sources if you look. The local FBO orders it from similar sources and doubles the price for resale. > > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:16:26 EDT > From: MRTWO@aol.com > Subject: Paint protector > > Does anyone knows where I can get transparent material(made by 3M?) > for car finish protection? > > I saw some NW region people were using these material as Bra. > From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 18:11:54 2000 From: John Lieberman To: TeamZ3@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:09:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Nat's parking, was TLS to the Nats TeamZ3@aol.com wrote: > > I thought I read something earlier in the year that some type of measure was > going to be put in place to limit the land claim rush in the Nat's parking > lot. Don't know if it will hold true or not. It's in the sups, Mark - something added this year: A.13. Competitor may be penalized from the National Solo Championships for non-compliance to paddock parking directions given from the Event Co-Chair, Chief Stewards, and Event Managers. John (Old Fartz & TLS #37) Lieberman From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 18:25:48 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: johnlee@softdisk.com, TeamZ3@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:24:08 EDT Subject: Re: Nat's parking, was TLS to the Nats In a message dated 8/23/00 5:13:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, johnlee@softdisk.com writes: << A.13. Competitor may be penalized from the National Solo Championships for non-compliance to paddock parking directions given from the Event Co-Chair, Chief Stewards, and Event Managers. John (Old Fartz & TLS #37) Lieberman >> What does that mean???? What are the "Paddock parking directions"???? Lets hear something thats concrete. Mike B. From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 19:04:06 2000 From: "Arthur Emerson" To: ls1_1le@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:03:07 GMT Subject: Re: Tire trailer and wiring for a Camaro... "David Shreve" wrote: > >Now, the next question in my quest for tire trailer bliss... >Anyone know the wiring schematic for the tail lights in a 97-up >Camaro? I need to know it to wire up the trailer lights really easy. Did GM leave the schematics out of their official shop manual??? You do know the rules say that you must be in possession of said documentation at Nationals, right??? Interestingly enough, the rule book doesn't say that they have to be human-readable. Just there..... -Arthur ("Squinting to read the microfiche" edition.) ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 20:16:38 2000 From: John Lieberman To: Hottvr@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:15:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Nat's parking, was TLS to the Nats Hottvr@aol.com wrote: > > What does that mean???? What are the "Paddock parking directions"???? Lets > hear something thats concrete. Good question, Mike. I'll try to answer it with something else that I found but couldn't lay my hands on when I typed that first response. It's in the June edition of the "Road to Topeka News" - the pre-Nationals newsletter - which was attached to the July-August edition of the RENews: > Pit Hogs The Paddock Police Department has not been formed yet and we hope it never is - but we need your cooperation to keep the idea on the drawing board. Last year many folks must have been watching a lot of old episodes of "Bonanza," because when they got to Topeka, they were acting like the Cartwrights (staking out the Ponderosa) with the amount of space they were reserving and, subsequently, using. With the turnouts we are seeing at TireRack National Solo events this year, 1000 in 2000 looks more and more like a certainty. For us all to fit in the paddock, we will need everyone's help and cooperation. PARK FRIENDLY. Save only a reasonable amount of space that will actually be used and please park trailers that are not part of your daily operation in designated areas. The event supps now allow for penalties for failure to follow pit parking instructions > With your cooperation, there will be room for all! That's what it says. You can all draw your own conclusions. John (Old Fartz & TLS #37) Lieberman From autox-owner Wed Aug 23 22:52:33 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:48:03 -0400 Subject: Pre-registration for Perry is CLOSED Please don't send in any more on-line registrations as they won't make it into the computer. Don't despair because you can still enter at the site. Below find a list of the entrants we have so far. This is the list that will go to the East gate. 16 CS ANNEE CARL 86 MAZDA RX7 34 CS BAGGARLY SCOTT 92 MIATA 19 BP BRENCHLEY MARK 1986 NISSAN 300 ZX 96 CSP BROWN JOHN 86 TOYOTA MR2 36 CSP BRUCK CHRIS 84 MAZDA RX7 GSL-SE 134 EP BRYAN-TINSLEY BETSY 86 HONDA CIVIC 16 SSL CASTRO SANDRA 00 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 2 FP COFFEY BILL 71 DATSUN 240Z 98 PES CONE RICK 00 CELICA FM CROWE CARL 92 KBS 83 BSL DARROW JEANNE 00 MIATA 3 BS DARROW JOHN 00 MIATA 9 OSP DIDUCK GARRET 94 MIATA 31 STS DOWNS PATRICK 96 VW GTI 0 BP DUCHENE STEVEN 87 MERKUR XR4TI 64 ASP DUNCAN JOHN 93 MAZDA RX-7 6 STR EASTON STEVE 99 HONDA CIVIC 8 SS ECKLES-TS CHRIS 99 BMW M-ROADSTER 11 HS ERNST LARRY 68 MGB 116 SS FALKNER ROB 00 PORSCHE BOXTER S 42 DSP FLANAGAN BRIAN 88 BMW 325I 96 HS FOLEY RON 99 MAZDA PROTEGE 84 FSP GARINGAN JOE 84 BMW 318I 13 FS GRANT TYLER 99 TRANS AM 27 FS GRIGG JERRY 96 CAMARO Z28 52 STS GROTE LUCAS 92 SATURN SL 72 STS HAGENBUSH ANDY 99 ACURA INTEGRA ESP HANNAY JOHN 92 BMW 535I 21 EP HATFIELD WARREN 69 BMW 1600 341 DM HEISER ROB 86 HONDA CIVIC 77 ES HENDRICKSON JIM 98 FORD ESCORT 59 DS HENDY PETER 96 NEON 341 AM HINES RENEE 98 NEON 88 STS HOCKENBERRY STEVE 90 HONDA CIVIC 16 SS HOUSER ROBERT 00 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 13 FSP HOWELL-TS J.BRETT 92 HONDA CIVIC GS ISBEL TAL 90 FORD TAURUS SHO 21 FSP JACKSON JK 74 TRIUMPH TR6 113 AM JOHNSON THOR 97 MERCER FSAE 14 AS KIPTA KEVIN 72 PORSCHE 911T 89 DM KNOBEL HAROLD AUSTIN MINI COOPER 21 ASP KOBS JOHN 90 MAZDA RX7T 85 ES KROLEWICZ JON 85 HONDA CRX SI 29 ESP LEWIS ROBERT 99 MUSTANG COBRA 19 ESP LEWIS TRACY 99 MUSTANG COBRA 18 KMJR LINDSEY RHETT CART COX 11 STR LOWE SHELTON 00 HONDA PRELUDE 12 EP LUMM TOM 69 BMW 1600 2 ASP MATTHEWS RICHARD 93 MAZDA RX7TT 134 AM MCMAHAN CLINT KBS F500 34 AM MCMAHAN DAN KBS F500 92 HS MIGLINO PETER GEO STORM 2 FSP MOORE CHRIS 74 TRIUMPH TR6 40 FM MURPHY JIM 84 DAREDEVIL F500 2 EP ODOM MARK 69 BMW 1600 63 CSP ORNDORFF IVAN 86 HONDA CRX 54 CS PARCON JAY 93 TOYOTA MR2 27 STS PATRICK KEVIN 96 HONDA PRELUDE 7 ES PULLIAM LARRY 00 TOYOTA CELICA 192 PFS PULLIAM TOM 00 CAMARO Z28 13 AM QUILLIAN MAC 97 MERCER FSAE 17 BSP RATCLIFFE ED 86 CORVETTE 44 OSP RATHBONE W. DICKSON 66 FORD SHELBY GT 38 AS RITTER MARK 00 AUDI S4-YELLOW 4 PES RUPP KEN 00 TOYOTA CELICA 67 HS SANEY BARRY 91 HONDA CIVIS SI 34 CP SHAFER-TS RICH 84 TRANS-AM 94 GS SIMON-TS THOMAS 95 TAURUS SHO 99 AS SIPE MARK 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 43 CS SKOWRONSKI MATT 91 MAZDA RX7 113 CSP SOUNDARARAJAN ARJUN 86 HONDA CRX 13 CSPL SOUNDARARAJAN KATE 86 HONDA CRX 3 ESP SPEARS MARK 96 TRANS-AM 67 SSL SPENCER CAROLINE 2000 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 28 AS STEVENSON MIKE 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 25 FM STROUD JAY 92 KBS 101 DSP STUBBS BARRY 88 CHEVY CAVALIER 4 N SULLIVAN PAT L 87 FIERO 12 FP SULLIVAN PATRICK 91 MAZDA RX7 14 N SULLIVAN TREY 96 HONDA CIVIC 59 CSP SWAIN-TS JOHN 96 MIATA 7 BSP THATCHER-TS BEN 86 CORVETTE 34 EP TINSLEY RICK 86 HONDA CIVIC 23 STS TOWNE CHRIS 95 ACURA INTEGRA 15 STS TOY BRAD 93 SATURN 5 N VANZINA TONY 96 Honda Civic 75 FSP VEHIGE JASON 85 VW GOLF 92 PFS WATERS STEVE 00 CAMARO Z28 90 FSP WOERNER STEVEN 97 NISSAN TRUCK 35 PFS YOUMANS JEFFERY 96 CAMARO Z28 Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 03:45:14 2000 From: "alex cilli" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:44:09 GMT Subject: points Hey Perry, Who keeps the points totals? How did Diane(F Stock) get 5 points at the last event when she wasn't there? ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 06:46:24 2000 From: Lloyd.Wilson@Alcan.Com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:43:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Nationals Entry --Boundary_(ID_3HrvCWd+erYVBKP27yu3nA) I just did a quick and dirty count from the website, a total of 1102 entries. WOW. Stock - 468 SP - 234 P - 178 Mod/F125/ST - 222 Largest classes SS - 50 BS - 55 CS - 51 FS - 60 CP - 66 IMO, clasess with abnormally low turn out considering the number of entries, in "normal years" I would expect this type of turn out. DS - 32 CSP - 37 ESP - 39 CM - 37 Again, these are my calculations and opinions, yours may and will be different. Lloyd Wilson --Boundary_(ID_3HrvCWd+erYVBKP27yu3nA)-- From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 07:23:54 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Hottvr@aol.com'" , Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:22:40 -0500 Subject: RE: Nat's parking, was TLS to the Nats Concrete?? From Denver?? Yeah, right. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- << A.13. Competitor may be penalized from the National Solo Championships for non-compliance to paddock parking directions given from the Event Co-Chair, Chief Stewards, and Event Managers. John (Old Fartz & TLS #37) Lieberman >> What does that mean???? What are the "Paddock parking directions"???? Lets hear something thats concrete. Mike B. From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 07:45:06 2000 From: "Arthur Emerson" To: alexcilli@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:43:57 GMT Subject: Re: points "alex cilli" wrote: > >How did Diane(F Stock) get 5 points at the last event when >she wasn't there? She's prettier than you, Alex, that's why!!! :-) Seriously, this discussion is about NNJR-SCCA's points. It appears that whoever did the points worksheet included the March non-points event, and everything is skewed by one. The points for event 7 are really event 6, and event 7 isn't posted..... -Arthur ("Have some respect for the next FSL national champion" edition.) ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 07:48:20 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'David Shreve'" , Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:47:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Tire trailer and wiring for a Camaro... Man, you don't know the half of my problems. ;^) Seriously though, I didn't experience the "tongue-ripping" issue. I received that info from another trailer builder. I was/am very concerned with the bolt together trailer kits, especially the cheaply designed and made Chinese kits. So, I/we welded every seam and overlap just to be sure. That's always a good idea and has no down side except if'n you have to pay someone else to do the welding for you. You do know someone in your local club with a welder don't you? Every club has "that guy" with the welder, cool tools and air conditioned garage with a stand alone beer fridge. ;^) The unboxed tongue was a safety issue and made me uneasy to think about it, so we simply finished what any respectable trailer manufacturer should have done from the git-go. Besides, my labor is very cheap. I am very pleased with my final product enclosed trailer and if I had it to do over again would only change a few things to suit my tastes, needs and wants. Good luck on your trailer and wiring. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in an ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop." Mother Teresa -----Original Message----- All of the folks who replied about the NuWay trailers say they're actually pretty sound structurally in comparison to the rest, with no one mentioning problems similar to those of Mr. Linhoff. If you are looking to buy one in the near future, you may want to keep that in mind. The fact that the tongue has diagonal bracing on the NuWay trailers was enough to steer me toward them. From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 12:38:43 2000 From: Bradley Lamont To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:30:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals entries Current entry numbers (as of 8/23/00): SS 50 SSL 15 AS 44 ASL 10 BS 55 BSL 14 CS 51 CSL 7 DS 32 DSL 9 ES 29 ESL 3 FS 60 FSL 5 GS 44 GSL 7 HS 27 HSL 6 -----> Total 468 ASP 20 ASPL 5 BSP 44 BSPL 9 CSP 37 CSPL 7 DSP 20 DSPL 3 ESP 39 ESPL 8 FSP 37 FSPL 5 -----> Total 234 AP 12 APL 2 BP 18 BPL 2 CP 66 CPL 12 DP 21 DPL 6 EP 17 EPL 6 FP 14 FPL 2 -----> Total 178 AM 19 AML 1 BM 15 BML 3 CM 37 CML 5 DM 19 DML 3 EM 41 EML 5 FM 24 FML 4 -----> Total 176 F125 14 F125L 3 -----> Total 17 STS 24 STSL 5 -----> Total 29 -----> Overall total 1102 From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 13:16:53 2000 From: Bradley Lamont To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:30:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals entries Current entry numbers (as of 8/23/00): SS 50 SSL 15 AS 44 ASL 10 BS 55 BSL 14 CS 51 CSL 7 DS 32 DSL 9 ES 29 ESL 3 FS 60 FSL 5 GS 44 GSL 7 HS 27 HSL 6 -----> Total 468 ASP 20 ASPL 5 BSP 44 BSPL 9 CSP 37 CSPL 7 DSP 20 DSPL 3 ESP 39 ESPL 8 FSP 37 FSPL 5 -----> Total 234 AP 12 APL 2 BP 18 BPL 2 CP 66 CPL 12 DP 21 DPL 6 EP 17 EPL 6 FP 14 FPL 2 -----> Total 178 AM 19 AML 1 BM 15 BML 3 CM 37 CML 5 DM 19 DML 3 EM 41 EML 5 FM 24 FML 4 -----> Total 176 F125 14 F125L 3 -----> Total 17 STS 24 STSL 5 -----> Total 29 -----> Overall total 1102 From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 13:41:58 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:38:02 -0400 Subject: Writing for NAP Pat Kelly > We have a growing list of writers, many more talented than Katie > implies. If you put in a request for a specific class, we will most > likely be able to accommodate you. Some classes are already taken: ES, > ESL, HS, HSL, EM, EML, DM, DML. I'll take SM. Heh heh heh. DG From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 14:11:56 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:07:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Nationals entries Bradley Lamont wrote: Other damned lies and statistics: > Stock -----> Total 468 No classes "in trouble" (14 or less entrants) 16% Ladies 42% of overall total >SP -----> Total 234 No classes "in trouble" 16% Ladies 2 classes +1 car more than SM :) 21% of overall total >P -----> Total 178 AP(12) & FP(14) "in trouble" Without the CP juggernaut, would have only 100 cars! 17% Ladies 16% of overall total Is (P && (!CP)) dying out? >EM 41 This is really: EM 22 SM 19 > M -----> Total 176 No classes "in trouble" 12% Ladies 2 classes tied with SM, 1 below! (whoohoo! We're on the Mod class average!) 16% of overall total >F125 -----> Total 17 F125(14) "in trouble" 18% Ladies 2% of overall total >ST -----> Total 29 No classes "in trouble" 17% Ladies 3% of overall total. Denver - these guys deserve a real jacket, methinks. Odd how the ladies classes seem to run at about 16% of the open classes so consistantly. A muckraking troublemaker might wonder aloud why 50% of the classes serve 16% of the population.... but then I'd never do such a thing. :) DG From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 14:24:59 2000 From: MattGent@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:23:49 EDT Subject: what causes cupping of front tires? I've seen this happen in a few different circumstances, and I'd like to know what the possible causes are. What I mean is when it looks like someone took an ice-cream scoop to the corner of the tire every 4 inches or so, creating a wavy surface. It only seems to show up right on the inside corner, though. First time I saw it was a set of 225 R1s (way too small on my mustang). Cupped the inside edge of the inside front tire under braking into a hairpin. Second time was a set of street tires on a friend's Mustang Cobra, inside edge of both fronts. Then today on a 240SX I am considering buying. I'm wondering if it has to do with alignment, or maybe it is indicative of the chassis having a problem? I know my stang was in a pretty serious front-end wreck and isn't straight. What can I learn about a car, or its driver, by seeing the inside edge of one or both front tires cupped? Thanks Matt From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 14:40:54 2000 From: "Kelly, Katie" To: "'dg50@daimlerchrysler.com'" , Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:38:20 -0700 Subject: RE: Writing for NAP Dear Mr. Grant: Unfortunately, due to our complete saturation of talented and professional journalists, your writing efforts will not be needed for NAP. Just kidding. Welcome aboard! Katie Kelly Ace Reporter, NAP > -----Original Message----- > From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:dg50@daimlerchrysler.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 12:38 PM > To: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: Writing for NAP > > > Pat Kelly > > > We have a growing list of writers, many more talented than Katie > > implies. If you put in a request for a specific class, we will most > > likely be able to accommodate you. Some classes are already > taken: ES, > > ESL, HS, HSL, EM, EML, DM, DML. > > I'll take SM. > > Heh heh heh. > > DG > From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 15:12:15 2000 From: "James Rogerson" To: "Autox" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:11:07 -0500 Subject: Nationals and the back row Joe and I will be at Nationals so mark us off a spot on the back row. That way we can drive our not so silent RX-7 (painted with white heat reflectant elastomeric covering) through the whole paddock area when enroute to grid. Let everyone enjoy that sweet WHOP WHOP of a very bridge ported 12a. ;-) James & Joe Rogerson TLS #18 & #19 [FP #125] - Techless Racing. Sponsored by Brake Check (even for those that don't use them) "Nails are glue, hypothetically speaking" - Lou Fertile "Men that like golf are unhappy at home and incapable of having a meaningful relationship with women" - Joseph Heller The census records were used in 1941-2 to identify, abduct and imprison innocent Japanese Americans. Be sure to fill out yours. Trust them. From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 15:48:51 2000 From: jon e prevo To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:43:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Nationals entries On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:07:16 -0400 dg50@daimlerchrysler.com writes: > AP(12) & FP(14) "in trouble" Would you really consider them "in trouble"? After all, these two classes are basically "new" this year. I don't know about AP but there are a lot of RX7s out there getting closer every day to FP, and when us Datsun guys start to realize that we all have a realistic shot at winning there _will_ be more Z cars in FP too.Wouldn't it be only fair to give these two newly separated classes a couple of seasons before considering them "in trouble"? Jon FP 73 Datsun 260Z TLS #73 From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 18:24:27 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:22:03 EDT Subject: The vote for the winners In past years(At least the three that I've been around for) there has been a contest to pick the winners in each class on Team.Net. Is this going to happen this year??? Does anyone know who is gonna do it???? Mike(Still on a five year plan)B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 18:24:28 2000 From: "Thomas VandenOever" To: "Jon Rush" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:46:25 -0500 Subject: RE: Crane FireWire plug wires > Uh . . .could you point out where the details of the sale are? I can't > find it. > > Jon Rush > http://www.shopcranecams.com/ Tom VandenOever #7 ES (Neon) TexasRegion SCCA and DFW Equipe Rapide From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 18:37:44 2000 From: Josh Sirota To: "'Hottvr@aol.com '" , Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:35:30 -0700 Subject: RE: The vote for the winners I'll try to find some time this weekend to set up the same deal I did last year. Josh -----Original Message----- From: Hottvr@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Cc: autox-cm@autox.team.net Sent: 8/24/2000 5:22 PM Subject: The vote for the winners In past years(At least the three that I've been around for) there has been a contest to pick the winners in each class on Team.Net. Is this going to happen this year??? Does anyone know who is gonna do it???? Mike(Still on a five year plan)B. TLS#1 99cm From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 22:04:38 2000 From: Davard@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:03:25 EDT Subject: Re: Crane FireWire plug wires http://shopcr anecams.com/cranecams/customwiresets.html David Avard 1990 Mazda Protege Davard@aol.com In a message dated 8/23/00 02:20:51 PM, jonathan.rush@sdrc.com writes: >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:20:51 -0400 >From: Jon Rush >Subject: Re: Crane FireWire plug wires > >Uh . . .could you point out where the details of the sale are? I can't >find it. > >Jon Rush > >"Linnhoff, Eric" wrote: >> >> Just a tidbit of info for my autocrossing friends. >> >> Crane Cams is fire-saling off a bunch of their FireWire spark plug wires at >> 60% off. I bought two sets of custom fit wires for my Neon for the low low >> price of $12 a set, shipped. Even the el-cheapo generic parts store brand >> wires cost me more than that, plus sales tax. >> >> http://www.cranecams.com >> >> Eric Linnhoff in KC >> 1998 Dodge Neon R/T >> #69 DS #13 TLS >> eric10mm@qni.com From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 22:23:53 2000 From: "Brian Berryhill" To: "Autox" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:19:12 -0500 Subject: Mississippi Region Autox Saturday It's at the coliseum in Jackson, MS, this Saturday August 26th. Registration is from 5pm-6pm, first car out at 6:30pm. Make sure your lights work if you come! For more details, email me. Brian -- Brian Berryhill http://www.angelfire.com/ms/brianberryhill/ From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 22:27:23 2000 From: HAVOCDEAN@aol.com To: jogross3@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:26:16 EDT Subject: Re: Who Will Win??? Good point John, Chris Ramey is most capable of winning again. I hope he makes it to Topeka. He drives great and is one hellava nice guy to boot!!!!!!!!!! I just hope he doesn't beat up on our Mustang TOO bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dean Sapp F/S #138 1996 Mustang Cobra From autox-owner Thu Aug 24 23:51:27 2000 From: "Scotty *BOB* White" To: "autocross list" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:56:48 -0700 Subject: Pick the weeners ? Is there a pick the weeners contest this year? Please reply directly sbw NayKid Racer West Coast Corvettes/DRM/C500R C5 Corvette www.naykidracing.com #97 Speedvision GT From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 00:15:21 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: we2fat4asp@seanet.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:14:22 EDT Subject: Re: Pick the weeners ? we2fat4asp@seanet.com writes: << Is there a pick the weeners contest this year? Please reply directly >> Does replying qualify as a pick ... he-he-he :-) See you at the Japanese Steak House again (sorry, no weeners on the menu)? Snipely Whiplash From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 04:20:25 2000 From: JVHT@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net (Autocross List) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 06:18:41 EDT Subject: Nationals Warmup for Florida Sept.2&3 at GCAC Just one week away!!! Twenty-five dollars for two full days of concrete track time (driving, little working, with no penalties being called in we just need 3 people on the course to set cones)! Lunch included! Timing will be done on all runs with results posted several times through the day. More information check out our Website at: http://www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com See you here! John Taylor Webmaster & F440 nut @ Gulfcoas t Autocrossers Ltd. Website From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 05:54:41 2000 From: John Galligan To: autocross Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 06:53:35 -0500 Subject: PENSACOLA SOLO 1 EVENT SCHEDULED All solo 1 drivers, crew members, and wannabes, mark your calendars now. The Gulf Coast Region will conduct it's second annual Solo 1 event at Bronson Field in Pensacola, Fl. the fourth weekend in March, 2001. Event chairmen, please note this date so as to avoid conflicts. If you missed it last year, please plan to be there in '01. For more info contact Walt Wurzbach at wurzbach@gulftel.com. Solo 1 in "01. Be there. -- John Galligan galligan@gulftel.com SCCA-Gulf Coast Region Cavalier Z24 From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 06:28:11 2000 From: "Wally Strzelec" To: , Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:27:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Who Will Win??? Ramey will be there in his 00 Camaro. I think that he is faster now then he ever was. In FS, IMO in no particular order, I think that it will be Ramey, Daddio, Lindberg, Sapp or Pulliam looking for the win. They are all incredibly fast. After that, there are about 15 people that are fast enough to easily be in the at the top 10. -Wally FS #55 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:26 PM Subject: Re: Who Will Win??? > Good point John, > > Chris Ramey is most capable of winning again. I hope he makes it > to Topeka. He drives great and is one hellava nice guy to boot!!!!!!!!!! I > just hope he doesn't beat up on our Mustang TOO bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Dean Sapp F/S #138 1996 Mustang Cobra > > From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 09:46:11 2000 From: A4autox@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:44:08 EDT Subject: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again OK, I feel the ZO6 Vett is legal for SS this year, and this is why. The C5 vett has been classed in SS for three years now, with changes to the car every year, it is listed as "Corvette, 97-+" So here is my point, the ZO6 is not a new car, though it has many changes over the previous coups, it is the only way you can get a coupe now, the coupe is all ready classed! this car is designated as being of a model year later than the current year as stated before (and in 3.1 of the rule book) but it HAS been specifically classed ( Corvette 97-+) it doesn't say except coupe if they make it too fast! so, to keep this car out of the running, it would have to be separated from the rest of the Corvettes by reclassing it as it is all ready classed, its not like the Boxster "S" or the Camaro SS, as these cars are an option package on a model of a car, the Corvette coup is only available with this new package so it is a change to an already classed car, a huge change, but a change, not a new model, so the car may need to be reclassed. now the tricky part. As a lot of people know, Dan and I have been trying to get the Ferrari 360 classed, what we ran into was "cars will not be classed after July" from the SEB , which I can see, that's fair as not to end up with the problems of the past few years. BUT this is the other side of the coin, now here is a car that really CAN dominate SS, but its after July so it cant be reclassed. DISCLAIMER this is not a rank on the SEB, I have no problems with these guys, they are friends and fellow competitors and I appreciate the time and effort they put in to make this whole thing work, this is just a comment on how I read it, and I have been wrong before once or twice =) Curt Ormiston From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 10:12:33 2000 From: Jim Rohn To: autox@autox.team.net, A4autox@aol.com Date: 25 Aug 2000 16:08:59 -0000 Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) ------Original Message------ From: A4autox@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:44:08 EDT Subject: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again > OK, I feel the ZO6 Vett is legal for SS this year, and this is why. It isn't, it is a 2001 model. (period) > The C5 vett has been classed in SS for three years now, with changes to the > car every year, it is listed as "Corvette, 97-+" makes no difference > So here is my point, the ZO6 is not a new car, though it has many changes > over the previous coups the Z06 is a HARDTOP, not a coupe >, it is the only way you can get a coupe now once again, the coupe is NOT a Z06, the HARDTOPs are >, the > coupe is all ready classed! the Z06 is a 2001 year model. 2001 year models in 2000 competition (at least until Nationals) are NOT allowed to participate (unless already classed - this refers to mid year introductions, NOT a "normal" new year introduction, which the Z06 is). This is known as the "Rupp Rule" A rule brought about when a certain Pontiac dealer used to show up in September with fresh NEW models of the next year's vintage, avail only to the dealer that early in the year. since these were NEW models of unproven performance potential, they were deemed (appropriately enough) NOT to be legal for STOCK class participation. The exception to this rule is an "early" introduction of the next years model, much like the 1991 Camaro/Firebird was introduced in February 1990. They were then classed per the SEB and allowed to run at Nationals in 1990, even though they were a 1991 model year designation. > this car is designated as being of a model year later than the current year as stated before (and in 3.1 of the rule book) but it HAS been specifically classed ( Corvette 97-+) it doesn't say except coupe if they make it too fast! you are way off track here > so, to keep this car out of the running, it would have to be separated from > the rest of the Corvettes by reclassing it as it is all ready classed, its > not like the Boxster "S" or the Camaro SS, as these cars are an option > package on a model of a car, the Corvette coup is only available with this > new package so it is a change to an already classed car, a huge change, but a > change, not a new model, so the car may need to be reclassed. now the tricky > part. > As a lot of people know, Dan and I have been trying to get the Ferrari 360 > classed, what we ran into was "cars will not be classed after July" from the > SEB , which I can see, that's fair as not to end up with the problems of the > past few years. BUT this is the other side of the coin, now here is a car > that really CAN dominate SS, but its after July so it cant be reclassed. > DISCLAIMER this is not a rank on the SEB, I have no problems with these > guys, they are friends and fellow competitors and I appreciate the time and > effort they put in to make this whole thing work, this is just a comment on > how I read it, and I have been wrong before once or twice =) > Curt Ormiston the Z06 IS available to be run at the 2000 Nationals in BSP though, have at it. Run it in stock configuration and show us all what it can do good luck Jim Rohn Beater Racing From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 10:23:11 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:24:44 -0400 Subject: Solo2.org Does anyone know who own Solo2.org.......? Christoc.com Racing Forums http://www.christoc.com/forums/ -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 10:36:36 2000 From: SOLOMIATA@aol.com To: christoc@mail.christoc.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:35:20 EDT Subject: Re: Solo2.org Checking whois..., it looks like NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC themselves owns it. Must have been a repo. Note that Microsoft just came out with a new chip (yes, chip) that is called "solo2" so good luck getting any domain names or trademarks for anything related to the word "solo2". Randy << Does anyone know who own Solo2.org.......? Christoc.com Racing Forums http://www.christoc.com/forums/ -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com >> From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 10:36:57 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:28:13 -0500 Subject: Chicago area questions This is non-autox related. I want to come up to Chicago for site seeing. I need someone to tell whats cool to see while I'm there. If anyone from Chicago can help e-mail me privately. Mike B. From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 10:51:14 2000 From: "Bruce Wentzel" To: "Jim Rohn" , Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:47:51 -0400 Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) > the Z06 is a 2001 year model. 2001 year models in 2000 competition (at least until Nationals) are NOT allowed to participate (unless already classed - this refers to mid year introductions, NOT a "normal" new year introduction, which the Z06 is). This is known as the "Rupp Rule" A rule brought about when a certain Pontiac dealer used to show up in September with fresh NEW models of the next year's vintage, avail only to the dealer that early in the year. since these were NEW models of unproven performance potential, they were deemed (appropriately enough) NOT to be legal for STOCK class participation. The exception to this rule is an "early" introduction of the next years model, much like the 1991 Camaro/Firebird was introduced in February 1990. They were then classed per the SEB and allowed to run at Nationals in 1990, even though they were a 1991 model year designation. > > > Jim Rohn > Beater Racing > So it's legal in SP? I didn't think so. I better RTFRB again. Bruce Wentzel Green Dot Racing, Inc. Road Race & Solo II rentals BSP 71 Corvette LS6 - the original Greendot; ITA and ITS RX-7's Speedbleeders, $5.20, Super Siphon $8.95, credit cards now accepted at https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=greendotracing%40netzero.net _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 11:02:16 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: LJ Boardman Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:03:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Solo2.org I have done all the whois searches, and I went to Whois.org but it doesn't list the owner. I thought maybe someone on team.net may know -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 11:04:44 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:03:35 GMT Subject: Dick Berger'd Address Can someone provide me with Dick Bergers address? It's Woodstock, GA something. Please reply off-list Thanks, Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 11:07:29 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:06:05 EDT Subject: paging Caleb Miller/Dan Wasdahl...or can you pass this on... I have gotten phone calls from you guys wanting in Peru and it can be done..but you need to leave me your phone number to call you back to let you know!! Please call me at home if you get this-407-889-7207 Jean Kinser From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 11:28:19 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: rohns@doitnow.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:25:58 EDT Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) rohns@doitnow.com writes: << the Z06 IS available to be run at the 2000 Nationals in BSP though, have at it. Run it in stock configuration and show us all what it can do >> Really? Was there a special ruling allowing it? The Solo2 Rulebook does not specify level of preparation for disallowing later model year vehicles, only that it has to be pre-approved to be eligible at all, and the current mindset is that won't happen past July. My interpretation is that it's not eligible, except for time only, regardless of class/prep level. Sipe Mark Sipe From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 11:34:52 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: A4autox@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:32:56 PDT Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again > OK, I feel the ZO6 Vett is legal for SS this year, and this is >why. You're perfectly entitled to feel this way. But you're wrong. ;) > The C5 vett has been classed in SS for three years now, with >changes to the car every year, it is listed as "Corvette, 97-+" > So here is my point, the ZO6 is not a new car, though it has many >changes over the previous coups, it is the only way you can get a coupe >now, the coupe is all ready classed! Hardtop, not coupe. I agree it isn't a new model. >this car is designated as being of a model year later than the current year >as stated before (and in 3.1 of the rule book) but it HAS been specifically >classed ( Corvette 97-+) it doesn't say >except coupe if they make it too fast! Hardtop, not coupe. Your point is that the SS listing for the C5 (97+) qualifies as "specifically classing" the 2001 model for competition in 2000. I disagree, but I recognize your interpretation. To accept your interpretation would be to say that any car model listed as "year XX +" would be exempted from the 3.1 model year restriction. I don't think that has historically been done. For one thing, the rulebook listings don't usually change from, say, "Corvette '84+" to "Corvette 84-96" UNTIL the year following a new generation introduction. So interpreting the rule your way would have allowed any new generation cars ('99 Miata, '93 Camaro, '97 Corvette, '9? Neon, a host of others) to compete at their time of introduction. That certainly hasn't been allowed, at least not under that auspice. >so, to keep this car out of the running, it would have to be >separated from the rest of the Corvettes by reclassing it as it >is all ready classed, its not like the Boxster "S" or the Camaro >SS, as these cars are an option package on a model of a car, the Corvette >coup is only available with this new package so it is a change to an >already classed car, a huge change, but a >change, not a new model, so the car may need to be reclassed. I don't think this argument is either necessary or very strong. The Z06 is definitely an option package on a model of the car (C5 Corvette). However, since the C5 Corvette is classed without regard to body type (for the last time, HARDTOP!), it doesn't matter. >now the tricky part. > As a lot of people know, Dan and I have been trying to get the >Ferrari 360 classed, what we ran into was "cars will not be classed after >July" from the SEB , which I can see, that's fair as not to end up with the >problems of the past few years. BUT this is the other side of the coin, now >here is a car that really CAN >dominate SS, but its after July so it cant be reclassed. Why can't it run under the SS catch-all? Is yours a 2001 model, or didn't they make enough? > DISCLAIMER this is not a rank on the SEB, I have no problems with these >guys, they are friends and fellow competitors and I >appreciate the time and effort they put in to make this whole thing work, >this is just a comment on how I read it, and I have been wrong before once >or twice =) > Curt Ormiston KeS ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 11:41:16 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: rohns@doitnow.com, autox@autox.team.net, A4autox@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:40:18 PDT Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) Gee, and I was agreeing with Jim all the way up to here... >the Z06 IS available to be run at the 2000 Nationals in BSP though, >have at it. Run it in stock configuration and show us all what it can do BZZZZZT! 3.1 comes before the individual preparation section rules. It applies to all classes. KeS ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 12:06:11 2000 From: Josh Sirota To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:03:52 -0700 Subject: Pick The Winners contest! It's up again! http://www.marimba.com/people/jss/picks/picks.html This year, Grassroots Motorsports has offered a free one-year subscription to the winner! Please, no bogus e-mail addresses, etc. I don't have time to pick up after all of you! The picks are generated *automatically* from the SCCA's entry list. If you see a typo in your name on the picks, that's because the SCCA has it wrong on the entry list. Bother them, not me. If you see a real problem with the picks, such as a name that appears on the entry list but not in the picks list, let me know. And, of course, have fun! Good luck! Josh From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 12:35:15 2000 From: "Ron Bauer" To: "Team. Net" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:44:57 -0700 Subject: AS/ASL ride needed for Finale.....maybe Well, I didn't want to get to a point of posting this, but it looks like Annie's S2000 may not be available for us for the Finale and Nationals. Unfortunately Annie had an excursion with the car that has caused enough damage that it may not be repaired in time to take. This leaves us in a bit of a predicament. We both have decent points for the year in AS and L1, and need a car to run at the Finale. We were the only S2000 registered. One criteria is that we need to run on Kumho tires. I am more than willing to supply tires in exchange for the ride. I would like a competitive car to run, and ultimately would prefer an S2000, but am open to anything. So, if anyone out there is going and would like a co-driver in the open class and one in L1, please let me know asap. We will know in the next day or so whether or not we will be able to get Annie's car out there or not, but since we are so close, I want a backup plan in place! Ron Bauer Y2K S2K Team Butt Heat From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 12:50:14 2000 From: Craig Blome To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio Shack BTX-128 as worker radio? Greetings all, Texas Spokes is thinking about upgrading our FRS worker radios to VHF business band units. I've found Radio Shack has a couple of models on sale now, the more interesting of which is the $149 BTX-128 (cat #19-1217) which is made by Motorola. The specs don't seem quite up to the standard of a Radius or Spirit, but the audio output power of 500mW is good. Any clubs using this model that care to give opinions? Other radios you like? (we'd like to keep the per unit cost below $200) Thanks, Craig Blome __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 13:15:17 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:16:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Solo2.org I own solo2net.com. I'll sell it for six figures, no hobbyist allowed :)))) Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hammond" To: "LJ Boardman" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Solo2.org > I have done all the whois searches, and I went to Whois.org but it doesn't list the owner. > > I thought maybe someone on team.net may know > > -- > Christopher Hammond > http://www.christoc.com > -- > From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 13:30:12 2000 From: "Rick Brown" To: , Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:27:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Solo2.org Subject: Re: Solo2.org > Note that Microsoft just came out with a new chip (yes, chip) that is called > "solo2" so good luck getting any domain names or trademarks for anything > related to the word "solo2". > > Randy > The CalClub Solo2 Committee already has www.solo2.com . Wonder how much we could sell it to them for? Can you say Z06's for everyone? :-))) Rick Brown FP 240Z From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 13:39:10 2000 From: "Rick Brown" To: "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:38:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Solo2.org Hmmm, isn't "Solo2" and/or "Solo II" a SCCA trademark? Rick Brown FP 240Z > > Note that Microsoft just came out with a new chip (yes, chip) that is called > "solo2" so good luck getting any domain names or trademarks for anything > related to the word "solo2". > > Randy > From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 13:43:58 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:42:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Solo2.org Can you say free 996s for all SCCA Solo members? Matt Murray mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > Hmmm, isn't "Solo2" and/or "Solo II" a SCCA trademark? > > Rick Brown > FP 240Z > > > > Note that Microsoft just came out with a new chip (yes, chip) that is > called > > "solo2" so good luck getting any domain names or trademarks for anything > > related to the word "solo2". > > > > Randy > > > > > From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 13:50:07 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Matt Murray'" , "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:48:54 -0700 Subject: RE: Solo2.org How about a purpose built site for every region. I want full garages and a fuel station as well. They can afford it. Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com -----Original Message----- From: Matt Murray [mailto:mattm@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:43 PM To: Team.Net Subject: Re: Solo2.org Can you say free 996s for all SCCA Solo members? Matt Murray mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- > Hmmm, isn't "Solo2" and/or "Solo II" a SCCA trademark? > > Rick Brown > FP 240Z > > > > Note that Microsoft just came out with a new chip (yes, chip) that is > called > > "solo2" so good luck getting any domain names or trademarks for anything > > related to the word "solo2". > > > > Randy > > > > > From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 14:02:57 2000 From: GRMPer@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:01:40 EDT Subject: Who to Beat! As Josh has already mentioned to the list, the contest is on! Grassroots Motorsports is offering a 1 year subscription to the person who has the most correct. If you'd like to see who we picked to win, you can visit our website at http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com enjoy! Per From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 14:22:18 2000 From: Jim Rohn To: TeamZ3@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: 25 Aug 2000 20:18:41 -0000 Subject: Re: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - my bad? at least I THOUGHT it was legal, I may be mistaken in MY interpretation of the rules Jim > << the Z06 IS available to be run at the 2000 Nationals in BSP though, have > at it. Run it in stock configuration and show us all what it can do > >> From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 14:54:22 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:52:26 EDT Subject: Reminder the GS BMW is not legal till 2001 I don't know why I have gotten e-mailed on this a few times asking if TC Klein's BMW is legal..but after reading what GH Sharp put on the net and what is in fast track...someone needs to remind TC that the BMW he is listed for is not legal for GS until 2001 and it is an AS entry for Nationals... So-to those people who asked me about this misprint...this is all I can do. Jean From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 15:51:34 2000 From: Jason Saini To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Corrado Codrive in Topeka I know it's late, but I wanted to throw this out there. If anyone's interested I am looking for a codriver for the Corrado in G-Stock. Now's your chance to try out the hottest new stock-class solo car! ;) Email me if you're interested! -Jason Saini . Chicago, IL -'93 Corrado . GS Sleeper __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 15:53:21 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "team.net" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:55:08 -0400 Subject: Z06 in SP? I think not! How about AM Greendot sez: >So it's legal in SP? I didn't think so. I better RTFRB again. Sipester comes in with: >My interpretation is that it's not eligible, except for time only, regardless >of class/prep level. Holy threads that won't die, Batman! How about AM?!? I think it meets the requirements of a 'special' given that you install a roll bar and 5-pt harness. Paul Foster From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 16:32:46 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Josh Sirota" , Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:30:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Pick The Winners contest! I don't believe it! Somebody actually picked me to win in CS. And no, it wasn't me; I checked it before casting my vote (and I voted for Derek Butts). Frankly, I'll be happy just to get into the trophies. And if I did win, I would be in absolute ecstasy. Scot '91 CS Miata ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Sirota" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 11:03 AM Subject: Pick The Winners contest! > It's up again! > > http://www.marimba.com/people/jss/picks/picks.html > > This year, Grassroots Motorsports has offered a free one-year > subscription to the winner! > > Please, no bogus e-mail addresses, etc. I don't have time to pick up > after all of you! > > The picks are generated *automatically* from the SCCA's entry list. If > you see a typo in your name on the picks, that's because the SCCA has it > wrong on the entry list. Bother them, not me. > > If you see a real problem with the picks, such as a name that appears on > the entry list but not in the picks list, let me know. > > And, of course, have fun! Good luck! > > Josh > From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 16:37:38 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Matt Murray" , "Team.Net" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:35:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Solo2.org I like that idea! We could turn the National Championship into a spec event and really find out who the best drivers are! Scot Team Tongue Firmly In Cheek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Murray" To: "Team.Net" Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Solo2.org > Can you say free 996s for all SCCA Solo members? > Matt Murray > > mattm@optonline.net > ----- Original Message ----- > > Hmmm, isn't "Solo2" and/or "Solo II" a SCCA trademark? > > > > Rick Brown > > FP 240Z > > > > > > Note that Microsoft just came out with a new chip (yes, chip) that is > > called > > > "solo2" so good luck getting any domain names or trademarks for anything > > > related to the word "solo2". > > > > > > Randy > > > > > > > > > > > From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 16:52:48 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:53:57 -0500 Subject: Grid/Impound Bryan, Jim and Chad, We will need one impound worker per heat to release the competitors from grid. This might not be bad job to give to somebody who worked on Saturday, since it is pretty easy. Dave Whitworth dave@wcsllc.net Environtrol Corporation Asthma and Allergy Care Supplies www.environtrol.com From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 16:55:15 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:56:25 -0500 Subject: Attn Jim and Chad Did I forward the instructions for impound chief? Dave Whitworth dave@wcsllc.net Environtrol Corporation Asthma and Allergy Care Supplies www.environtrol.com From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 16:56:11 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:57:23 -0500 Subject: Fw: Grid/Impound OOOPS.... Clicked on the wrong one in the address book :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: Grid/Impound > Bryan, Jim and Chad, > > We will need one impound worker per heat to release the competitors from > grid. This might not be bad job to give to somebody who worked on Saturday, > since it is pretty easy. > > > Dave Whitworth > dave@wcsllc.net > Environtrol Corporation > Asthma and Allergy Care Supplies > www.environtrol.com > From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 16:58:16 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:59:27 -0500 Subject: Disregard my last 2 posts I accidentally sent them to the wrong place. DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave Whitworth dave@wcsllc.net Environtrol Corporation Asthma and Allergy Care Supplies www.environtrol.com From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 19:24:42 2000 From: Jerry Grigg To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:21:42 -0400 Subject: Looking for Nationals Warm Up Event Registrar Looking for someone in charge of registration for the Nationals warm up event at Forbes Field the Saturday and Sunday before Nationals. I sent in my entry for the warmup event July 31 to the address on the SCCA web page and I have not received a confirmation yet. Wondering if my entry or the confirmation was lost in the mail. The web page said to send the entry to Chris Hutsell of the Kansas Region. Does anyone have his email address? Jerry Grigg grigg@cyberhighway.net From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 19:31:31 2000 From: "Greg" To: "Jerry Grigg" , Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:31:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Looking for Nationals Warm Up Event Registrar >Does anyone have his email address? By the way, its a her. Chris Hutsell 1329 SW 30th Street Topeka KS 66611 (785) 266-3035 (home), (785) 230-2668 (cell) Email: cuthut@swbell.net Greg Reno Mazda MX-3 GS V6 #36 ES ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Grigg" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: Looking for Nationals Warm Up Event Registrar > Looking for someone in charge of registration for the Nationals > warm up event at Forbes Field the Saturday and Sunday before Nationals. > > I sent in my entry for the warmup event July 31 to the address on the SCCA > web page and I have not received a confirmation yet. Wondering if my > entry or the confirmation was lost in the mail. > > The web page said to send the entry to Chris Hutsell of the Kansas Region. > Does anyone have his email address? > > Jerry Grigg > grigg@cyberhighway.net > From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 21:36:07 2000 From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:35:05 EDT Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) In a message dated 8/25/00 4:22:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-ax-digest@autox.team.net writes: << the Z06 is a HARDTOP, not a coupe once again, the coupe is NOT a Z06, the HARDTOPs are >> ~~~John, not to be anal here but......A coupe is a pillar-less hardtop, with no side window frames, since the Vette has no quater glass none of the Vettes have window pillars, so if you have a 2 door Corvette that has no side window frames and isn't a targa top(t-tops are still considered coupes) and has a solid non removeable roof then it ia a coupe, what I'm saying here is there is no differance between the two roofs no matter what you call them, in 1971-1972 Oldsmobile had two distinctly diffrent roofs, the "Holiday Coupe" and the standard roof one was a fastback design and the other was a notch back, both were still coups, same with the 1965-1973 Mustangs. My 1984 RX-7 has fully framed windows, therefore it is a 2 door hardtop yet some will still call it a coupe, but they are incorrect. Mostly this confusion on terminology is becuase of different marketing departments blatant ignorance of proper nomenclature ie. true roadsters don't have side windows(glass) they have snap in side curtains. After restoring a vast variaty of cars over the last 15 or so years I get a little anal over these details. Feel free to flame away, I'm a big boy and can take it. "Buy what you want. Fix what you can. And remember, if you had all of the money that you've spent on cars, you would spend it all on cars." Kurt"Wolfgang"Peterson CSP/ITS #22 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 1985 Buick Regal T-Type WH-1 1972 Buick SportWagon GS 455 1968 Buick Skylark http://members.aol.com/lwolfracin/home.html From autox-owner Fri Aug 25 23:14:41 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: , Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:05:46 -0500 Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) Coupes schmoops. Aww geez guys, just go buy a Neon. I hear there's plenty of used ones for sale now. ;^) And they're ALL hardtops. ;^) Got back seats too and a real trunk too. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other animals....except weasels." Homer Simpson -----Original Message----- ><< the Z06 is a HARDTOP, not a coupe > once again, the coupe is NOT a Z06, the HARDTOPs are then it ia a coupe, From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 00:01:07 2000 From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com To: rohns@doitnow.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:58:32 EDT Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again -anal In a message dated 8/25/00 11:56:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rohns@doitnow.com writes: << EXCEPT when Chevrolet says the removable top verison is a "coupe" ... ~~See my part of post that referred to marketing weenies screwing things up. and the fixed roof version is called a "hardtop" (per their brochures and model designations) two different models ~~~Actually, Corvette is the model, everything else would be considered trim levels or styles, either way Chevrolet once again prove themselves to be of below average intelligence by not calling the thing what it really is...a hardtop/convertable. I know that rules are rules but sometimes things just get out of control and the fun goes away and that is why I haven't set foot at an SCCA(or similar) event this season and chose to drag race my tow vehicle instead, no thick rule book when bracket racing just safety things, besides, it's fun beating people in my Buick wagon. Take my posts any way you want, the only point is that I feel that the auto industry needs to pull thier heads out and and and stop using confusing marketing, god how I wish that the car companies were still run by car guys, where is Harley Earl (father of the Buick "portholes"[ventiports])when you need him. I don't care for new cars, won't buy one and don't even like driving them, the only ones that have got it right are German, and I guess since they built automobile #1 thats ok, at least they remember what it's all about "Buy what you want. Fix what you can. And remember, if you had all of the money that you've spent on cars, you would spend it all on cars." Kurt"Wolfgang"Peterson CSP/ITS #22 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 1985 Buick Regal T-Type WH-1 1972 Buick SportWagon GS 455 1968 Buick Skylark http://members.aol.com/lwolfracin/home.html From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 00:08:20 2000 From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 02:07:31 EDT Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) In a message dated 8/26/00 12:35:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, A4auto x writes: << Thank you, at least I got something right, I was wrong about classing, but damn it, its a coupe!! >> I don't know if others would agree with you, however, if I understand this the roof comes off, if this is the case then it is a hardtop/convertable, bottom line is it's a convertable if thats the case, not sure on all the details either, but to say the least the bow tie boys sure have muddied the waters by not calling things what they really are, oh well, at least my wagon runs mid13's in the 1/4(12's soon!) and can tow my tralier for alot less $$ than anything else I've found. The big thing is to remember that we arn't getting paid to race so we better have fun doing it or it's all for naught. Take care "Buy what you want. Fix what you can. And remember, if you had all of the money that you've spent on cars, you would spend it all on cars." Kurt"Wolfgang"Peterson CSP/ITS #22 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 1985 Buick Regal T-Type WH-1 1972 Buick SportWagon GS 455 1968 Buick Skylark http://members.aol.com/lwolfracin/home.html From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 00:12:31 2000 From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com To: eric10mm@qni.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 02:11:37 EDT Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) In a message dated 8/26/00 1:14:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eric10mm@qni.com writes: << And they're ALL hardtops. ;^) Got back seats too and a real trunk too. >> Eric, whats it like getting 30+ MPG, I think that would be pretty cool, maybe I could stuff my spare Buick 455 in a Neon, make it RWD......Oh no, evil thoughts again LOL I'd better stop, this might get expensive..... "Buy what you want. Fix what you can. And remember, if you had all of the money that you've spent on cars, you would spend it all on cars." Kurt"Wolfgang"Peterson CSP/ITS #22 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 1985 Buick Regal T-Type WH-1 1972 Buick SportWagon GS 455 1968 Buick Skylark http://members.aol.com/lwolfracin/home.html From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 00:59:13 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: , Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:50:38 -0500 Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) I'd settle for it just being a RWD platform. That alone would REALLY make them nice little inexpensive performance cars, that still get over 30 mpg even when romping on it in town. ;^) Might even be able to keep up with those pesky Miatae. Someone, somewhere, made a drag car out of a Neon and stuffed a really built 360 in there. Of course it is driving the rear wheels. I wonder how short of a drive shaft it has. ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other animals....except weasels." Homer Simpson -----Original Message----- ><< And they're ALL hardtops. ;^) Got back seats too and a real trunk too. >> > Eric, > whats it like getting 30+ MPG, I think that would be pretty cool, maybe I >could stuff my spare Buick 455 in a Neon, make it RWD......Oh no, evil >thoughts again LOL I'd better stop, this might get expensive..... From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 06:56:39 2000 From: "Jon Beerman" To: , Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:55:06 -0400 Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again -anal -----Original Message----- From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com To: rohns@doitnow.com ; autox@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:04 AM Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again -anal > I know that rules are rules but sometimes things just get out of control >and the fun goes away and that is why I haven't set foot at an SCCA(or >similar) event this season and chose to drag race my tow vehicle instead, no >thick rule book when bracket racing just safety things, ..... The rules are only too complex for those who are so pathetically anal that they have no idea of what fun looks like. Something tells me that the guys who no longer see you at the SCCA events don't really miss you. Have fun drag racing that awesome tow vehicle. Maybe you can educate those straight line guys on the difference between a minivan and a SUV. See ya! Later, JHB #71 BSP From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 12:22:03 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Team.net'" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:21:17 -0700 Subject: FUEL? For those of you that don't drive your solo cars all the time. How long will the fuel stay good in the tank? I run a full tank of gas when I race my vette, but now that it spends all of its time on the trailer I wonder if I should drain the tank and fill it with fresh fuel occasionally. Now I am not talking about race gas, just regular pump fuel. Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 12:53:37 2000 From: Dave Geis To: "Isley, Jason C." Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:54:10 -0500 Subject: Re: FUEL? "Isley, Jason C." wrote: > For those of you that don't drive your solo cars all the time. How > long will the fuel stay good in the tank? I run a full tank of gas when I > race my vette, but now that it spends all of its time on the trailer I > wonder if I should drain the tank and fill it with fresh fuel occasionally. > Now I am not talking about race gas, just regular pump fuel. Visit your local marine dealer (it's a lot higher quality than the stuff they make for your weed-eater) and get some fuel stabilizer. It'll keep that nasty varnish from forming. How often? I don't use that much fuel - maybe 1/3 the cell at most per event - but I only use it for winter storage. Don't think it's worth it for all-the-time use. But keep it full *all* the time to keep water from condensing. -- Dave Geis - #25 FM 1982 Morton Formula Vee Who needs a roof?...or doors...or lights...or fenders... Wichita Region SCCA - http://www2.southwind.net/~scca From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 13:03:34 2000 From: "Jon Beerman" To: , Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:55:06 -0400 Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again -anal -----Original Message----- From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com To: rohns@doitnow.com ; autox@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:04 AM Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again -anal > I know that rules are rules but sometimes things just get out of control >and the fun goes away and that is why I haven't set foot at an SCCA(or >similar) event this season and chose to drag race my tow vehicle instead, no >thick rule book when bracket racing just safety things, ..... The rules are only too complex for those who are so pathetically anal that they have no idea of what fun looks like. Something tells me that the guys who no longer see you at the SCCA events don't really miss you. Have fun drag racing that awesome tow vehicle. Maybe you can educate those straight line guys on the difference between a minivan and a SUV. See ya! Later, JHB #71 BSP From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 13:07:37 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Team.net'" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:21:17 -0700 Subject: FUEL? For those of you that don't drive your solo cars all the time. How long will the fuel stay good in the tank? I run a full tank of gas when I race my vette, but now that it spends all of its time on the trailer I wonder if I should drain the tank and fill it with fresh fuel occasionally. Now I am not talking about race gas, just regular pump fuel. Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 13:08:19 2000 From: Dave Geis To: "Isley" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:54:10 -0500 Subject: Re: FUEL? "Isley, Jason C." wrote: > For those of you that don't drive your solo cars all the time. How > long will the fuel stay good in the tank? I run a full tank of gas when I > race my vette, but now that it spends all of its time on the trailer I > wonder if I should drain the tank and fill it with fresh fuel occasionally. > Now I am not talking about race gas, just regular pump fuel. Visit your local marine dealer (it's a lot higher quality than the stuff they make for your weed-eater) and get some fuel stabilizer. It'll keep that nasty varnish from forming. How often? I don't use that much fuel - maybe 1/3 the cell at most per event - but I only use it for winter storage. Don't think it's worth it for all-the-time use. But keep it full *all* the time to keep water from condensing. -- Dave Geis - #25 FM 1982 Morton Formula Vee Who needs a roof?...or doors...or lights...or fenders... Wichita Region SCCA - http://www2.southwind.net/~scca From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 13:09:05 2000 From: "Jon Beerman" To: , Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:55:06 -0400 Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again -anal -----Original Message----- From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com To: rohns@doitnow.com ; autox@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:04 AM Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again -anal > I know that rules are rules but sometimes things just get out of control >and the fun goes away and that is why I haven't set foot at an SCCA(or >similar) event this season and chose to drag race my tow vehicle instead, no >thick rule book when bracket racing just safety things, ..... The rules are only too complex for those who are so pathetically anal that they have no idea of what fun looks like. Something tells me that the guys who no longer see you at the SCCA events don't really miss you. Have fun drag racing that awesome tow vehicle. Maybe you can educate those straight line guys on the difference between a minivan and a SUV. See ya! Later, JHB #71 BSP From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 13:11:19 2000 From: "Glenn Duensing" To: "Isley, Jason C." , "'Team.net'" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:08:49 -0700 Subject: Re: FUEL? Jason, Drain it. I'll park next to you so you can drain into my tank 8^). Glenn > For those of you that don't drive your solo cars all the time. How > long will the fuel stay good in the tank? I run a full tank of gas when I > race my vette, but now that it spends all of its time on the trailer I > wonder if I should drain the tank and fill it with fresh fuel occasionally. > Now I am not talking about race gas, just regular pump fuel. > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com > > From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 13:12:24 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Glenn Duensing'" , Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:11:35 -0700 Subject: RE: FUEL? As long as you provide the suction. ;) Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Duensing [mailto:rebel128@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 12:09 PM To: Isley, Jason C.; 'Team.net' Subject: Re: FUEL? Jason, Drain it. I'll park next to you so you can drain into my tank 8^). Glenn > For those of you that don't drive your solo cars all the time. How > long will the fuel stay good in the tank? I run a full tank of gas when I > race my vette, but now that it spends all of its time on the trailer I > wonder if I should drain the tank and fill it with fresh fuel occasionally. > Now I am not talking about race gas, just regular pump fuel. > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com > > From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 17:17:01 2000 From: "William J. Petro" To: Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:17:01 -0400 Subject: FS Mustang wheel size I'm looking for wheels to autox my 00 Mustang GT which will be run in FS. Anyone have words of wisdom whether I should go with the stock size of 16 x 7.5 or 17 x 8. I have the 17 x 8 for the street. I was thinking I might be better off with the 16s for autox, for faster steering response, less rotational mass, etc.. I would be loosing out on the half inch width though. Anyone also know what size tire is best. I'll most likely be running Kumhos. Thanks in advance for any info. Bill P From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 18:57:50 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: "William J. Petro" , Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:43:38 -0400 Subject: Re: FS Mustang wheel size William, if you are going to run it in stock class, you need to use the stock dimension wheels. Plus or minus .25 inch offset is the only variation you are allowed in stock.... Phil O. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Petro" To: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:17 PM Subject: FS Mustang wheel size > I'm looking for wheels to autox my 00 Mustang GT which will be run in FS. > Anyone have words of wisdom whether I should go with the stock size of 16 x > 7.5 or 17 x 8. I have the 17 x 8 for the street. I was thinking I might be > better off with the 16s for autox, for faster steering response, less > rotational mass, etc.. I would be loosing out on the half inch width > though. Anyone also know what size tire is best. I'll most likely be > running Kumhos. > > Thanks in advance for any info. > Bill P > > From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 19:16:27 2000 From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com To: eric10mm@qni.com Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:15:23 EDT Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) In a message dated 8/26/00 2:59:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eric10mm@qni.com writes: << Someone, somewhere, made a drag car out of a Neon and stuffed a really built 360 in there. Of course it is driving the rear wheels. I wonder how short of a drive shaft it has. ;^) >> I know a guy that has an Opal GT with a Buick 455/TH400, driveshaft is itty-bitty "Buy what you want. Fix what you can. And remember, if you had all of the money that you've spent on cars, you would spend it all on cars." Kurt"Wolfgang"Peterson CSP/ITS #22 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 1985 Buick Regal T-Type WH-1 1972 Buick SportWagon GS 455 1968 Buick Skylark http://members.aol.com/lwolfracin/home.html From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 19:31:15 2000 From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com To: jbeerman@megsinet.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:30:08 EDT Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again -anal In a message dated 8/26/00 8:55:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jbeerman@megsinet.net writes: << The rules are only too complex for those who are so pathetically anal that they have no idea of what fun looks like. Something tells me that the guys who no longer see you at the SCCA events don't really miss you. >> ~~Jon, Very well put and I couldn't agree more, I still plan on going back to SCCA competition but I sunk a fair amount of cash (about $7000 total investment) into my wagon project (tow rig) and am currently trying to get it into Car Craft Magizine I know that some people probably don't miss me and I know that others do, but of course those people are my friends and I miss them as well but we both understand my need to "take a break" I'm still doing the car thing but this time I've gone back to my roots and where I feel really at home, Buick Muscle cars and the dragstrip, I've made many great friends running solo 2 and the SCCA guys are a great bunch but I really missed having a big block powered car so bad that it almost hurt, strange as it seems I kinda like having a 5000 pound car that gets 10mpg but can still run down Vettes, Mustangs and LT-1s in the 1/4 "Buy what you want. Fix what you can. And remember, if you had all of the money that you've spent on cars, you would spend it all on cars." Kurt"Wolfgang"Peterson CSP/ITS #22 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 1985 Buick Regal T-Type WH-1 1972 Buick SportWagon GS 455 1968 Buick Skylark http://members.aol.com/lwolfracin/home.html From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 19:39:04 2000 From: "Alan Pozner" To: "Craig Blome" , Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:40:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Radio Shack BTX-128 as worker radio? Why don't you get Motorola Talkabouts? If you buy the deluxe models (maybe $100 with headset ) you get plenty of channels, plenty of range. They run on 3 AA batteries all day. They are easily replaced, require no special license, etc etc etc. Oh, you can find them at KMart, Walmart, Costco etc Finally, since they are FRS radios folks may already have them personally so they can listen in or add to the pool in an emergency. ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Blome To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:48 PM Subject: Radio Shack BTX-128 as worker radio? > Greetings all, > > Texas Spokes is thinking about upgrading our FRS worker radios to VHF > business band units. I've found Radio Shack has a couple of models on > sale now, the more interesting of which is the $149 BTX-128 (cat > #19-1217) which is made by Motorola. The specs don't seem quite up to > the standard of a Radius or Spirit, but the audio output power of 500mW > is good. Any clubs using this model that care to give opinions? Other > radios you like? (we'd like to keep the per unit cost below $200) > > Thanks, > Craig Blome > > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 19:44:48 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: alfakarl@hotmail.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:44:04 GMT Subject: DTN Funding Last Call! Part Duex! Just a reminder....If you have opened a Paypal account using the Driver to Nationals referal link and have not verified your account by entering a credit card or bank account the DTN fund does not get a referral bonus. If you don't see your name below and you have opened a Paypal account, please verify your account. Thanks again for all those whom have donated to the DTN Fund! Listed below are those whom have contributed via Paypal to date. Phil Ethier Paul Cezanne John Lieberman Mark Sipe James Rogerson Vernon Lyle Bill Bonner Kris Kalbfleisch Jeffrey Lloyd Brian Beckman Phillip Osborne Eric Linnhoff David Hawkins Chuck McMillion Jim Daniels Mari Clements Beth McClure William Loring Steven Ashcraft William Ozinga Kevin Stevens Jay Mitchell Peter Mottaz Jason Suknot Jon Prevo Rex Tener John Coffey Randy Chase Alan Sheidler Fedja Jeleskovic Barbara LeRoy-Boehme Marc Sibilia Jim Daniels Jonathan Roberts I'd like to thank each and everyone personally, so please stop by at Nationals and say hello! Look for the "Team Laughing Stock Headquarters" banner. Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 20:00:23 2000 From: REPilfold@aol.com To: jss@marimba.com Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:59:19 EDT Subject: Re: Pick The Winners contest! I'll give 50 bucks to the winner. Yes:-) richard pilfold To win is nice, to race is enough. From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 20:01:43 2000 From: Craig Blome To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Radio Shack BTX-128 as worker radio? We have TalkAbouts now. They're ok as long as users receive some instruction, but the mics are finicky, the audio output is weak, and a couple of radios suffered unexplained gremlins at a divisional. Board of directors sez ditch 'em. Craig --- Alan Pozner wrote: > Why don't you get Motorola Talkabouts? If you buy the deluxe models > (maybe > $100 with headset ) you get plenty of channels, plenty of range. They > run on > 3 AA batteries all day. They are easily replaced, require no special > license, etc etc etc. Oh, you can find them at KMart, Walmart, Costco > etc > Finally, since they are FRS radios folks may already have them > personally so > they can listen in or add to the pool in an emergency. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Craig Blome > To: > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:48 PM > Subject: Radio Shack BTX-128 as worker radio? > > > > Greetings all, > > > > Texas Spokes is thinking about upgrading our FRS worker radios to > VHF > > business band units. I've found Radio Shack has a couple of models > on > > sale now, the more interesting of which is the $149 BTX-128 (cat > > #19-1217) which is made by Motorola. The specs don't seem quite up > to > > the standard of a Radius or Spirit, but the audio output power of > 500mW > > is good. Any clubs using this model that care to give opinions? > Other > > radios you like? (we'd like to keep the per unit cost below $200) > > > > Thanks, > > Craig Blome > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > ===== "We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." --T.S. Eliot, Four Quartets __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 20:41:43 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:40:50 GMT Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again -anal >From: LWOLFRACIN@aol.com >I know that some people probably don't miss me and I know that others >do, >but of course those people are my friends and I miss them as well >but we >both understand my need to "take a break". We miss ya Kurt ;) And so do the rest of the "C-Stock Goofballs"! Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister ________________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner Sat Aug 26 23:49:36 2000 From: "msmith2" To: "Team.net Autocross List" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:47:34 -0400 Subject: Re: FS Mustang wheel size He can run the 17x8s. My street car, a '99 GT has them. It's an option and it doesn't come in a 'package'. They do need to have the original 17x8 wheel dimensions, not counting the variation Phil mentioned. I'd take the width and cram whatever I could fit on them. Mike > William, if you are going to run it in stock class, you need to use the > stock dimension wheels. Plus or minus .25 inch offset is the only variation > you are allowed in stock.... > > Phil O. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J. Petro" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:17 PM > Subject: FS Mustang wheel size > > > > I'm looking for wheels to autox my 00 Mustang GT which will be run in FS. > > Anyone have words of wisdom whether I should go with the stock size of 16 > x > > 7.5 or 17 x 8. I have the 17 x 8 for the street. I was thinking I might > be > > better off with the 16s for autox, for faster steering response, less > > rotational mass, etc.. I would be loosing out on the half inch width > > though. Anyone also know what size tire is best. I'll most likely be > > running Kumhos. > > > > Thanks in advance for any info. > > Bill P > > > > > > From autox-owner Sun Aug 27 12:44:18 2000 From: "Brian Porter" To: , "Team Net Mailing List" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:22:04 -0400 Subject: FS: '87 RX-7 SE - $3900 Pardon the intrusion. I'm posting this ad for a friend. It's one of the cleanest 2nd-gen's I've seen. (I'm still floored with the amount of CASH he sunk into this car over the winter.. his loss, your gain..) Please direct all inquiries to Steve at hartzog_s@yahoo.com. -Brian '99 Miata Sport -------------------------------------------------- I'm second owner of this '87 RX-7 SE (bought in '98 with 116k) It's in great shape with over $4300 spent in preventative maintenance/upgrades last winter. Runs/drives flawlessly, always garaged, no winters and receives regular service. Car is located in Milford, NH (approx. 15 minutes west of Nashua). I'm selling as my priorities have changed and I haven't had the opportunity to drive it much. Needs nothing! See http://miata.ne.mediaone.net/steve/ for more info. The current pictures are LOUSY but I'll have better pictures up soon. Asking $3900 or best offer. *Basics Maroon exterior/grey cloth interior Manual steering 137,000 miles, mostly highway 13B EFI Rotary (146hp) 5spd A/C Sunroof *Recent Upgrades and Maintenance - All parts below were installed last winter while car was stored in heated garage. Work done at 135,000. Alpine In-Dash CD player with remote. ($350) Boston Acoustics Coaxial speakers ($100) Clifford 700IQ-series alarm with two key fobs. ($500) Tokiko HP struts ($350) Eibach Pro-Kit springs ($300) Suspension Techniques front and rear sway bars ($300) (4) New OEM brake rotors with Hawk black pads. ATE Super Blue ($500) IMP cat-back exhaust ($900) GXL leather wrapped steering wheel Speedsource front chin spoiler ($150) OEM ball-joints ($150) OEM radiator, thermostat and hoses ($500) New belts OEM shifter bushings New electric fan ($100) Bonez air intake ($130) Rear storage bins (replaced rear seats, seats come with car) Magnacore 10mm wires and NGK platinum plugs From autox-owner Sun Aug 27 12:46:36 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: , , Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:06:05 -0500 Subject: Phil's TR4 adventure: the report. Phil's TR4 adventure I got home on Wednesday, but have not had much of a chance to put fingers to keyboard. But here is a summary. Saturday, August 19: Up at 4:00. In San Antonio by 8:30. Wonderful things, airplanes. Met the owner and drove the TR4. Trunk full of spares. Accepted the car and took off with the top stowed away. Arrived at the home and shop of Fisher and Elizabeth Jones in Comfort TX. Fisher supplied excellent work and advice at reasonable prices. Elizabeth made a magnificent lunch of scallops parmesan. We were joined by Mr. and Mrs. John Black. John had done the pre-sale inspection of the TR4, so it was wonderful that I could thank him personally. Good luck on your California venture, John. The heat and humidity was getting to me, especially when I was doing some wrench work in the foot-box. Fisher completed his inspection of the car, capped by a rapid test drive up and back the winding road that leads to their place, and pronounced the car good to go. Arrived in Austin TX two hours late for the Hill Country Triumph Club party at Matt Baker's. The folks there made me feel right at home. Matt had me drive the car right into his front yard. I was pretty well strung out from the road and the heat. My head ached, my elbow tingled from the pinched nerve in my neck, and my stomach felt queasy. I stayed there a couple of hours, chattering nonstop and slugging down water, after which I felt much better and drove on to Waco. A gentleman (whose name I have forgotten, damned Oltimers Disease) in an MGB led me from Matt's to the freeway. Two LBC's splitting the night with their beautiful exhaust music. Heaven. The stars, from an open car far from city lights on a clear night, are one of life's greatest sights. As I drove into a valley with an active river, I could immediately feel the temperature drop, giving me a welcome chill. I got to my motel at 1:00 in the morning and collapsed. Sunday: Up at 7:00, called Jay Mitchell's cell phone. He was already at the site. I took a shower, shoveled all my possessions into the TR4 and headed for the site. Jay recognized me by the car, if not by my infamous river-rafting hat. I had broken out my old sailing pants so I'd have lots of reflectivity on a day expected to be about 107 degrees. The effect was nearly monochromatic: White hat, long-sleeve white shirt, white sailing pants, white socks, sun-block-drenched white skin. The only break was the blue canvas shoes. I had white athletic shoes, but I know from experience that they won't work in a Europa. I really like to actuate only the pedal I intend. The good news about the weather was that it was much drier in Waco, and I didn't feel the heat like on a 90-degree day in Minnesota. I worked the first run group, meeting several folks including long-time netter John Steczkowski from the Texas Spokes club in Austin. The TR4 waited patiently, with the tonneau protecting the interior from the blasting sun. The Europa was very familiar. The seating position Jay uses is identical to what I use in my Europa. The steering wheel is the same Grant GT unit I have, though Jay has the original Lotus horn push mounted in his. The clutch is new in his car, and grabs more sharply than mine. The gear-change is nearly as good as mine. Jay told me not to be afraid to spin the tires on takeoff. These cars are very light and easy on tires. I have 6" wheels with BFGs and Jay has 8" wheels with Hoosier radials. He is also running stiffer springs than I. The result is that Jay's car has similar roll angles to mine, but you are pulling more gees in his car. The result is a similar car in which things happen the same way, but just a little faster. I think at the end of the day, I was less than 2 seconds behind Jay. Since I have not autocrossed my own Europa in over two years (!), I'm pleased with the results. I have often mentioned that I must sit on the pavement to see the pylons from the same perspective as from the driver seat of the Europa. I demonstrated this by sitting on the pavement next to Jay's car with someone sitting in the seat. We saw eye-to-eye on the matter, literally. After the autocross, we repaired to the shade of a hanger for awards. Then it was time to fire up the TR4 and head for the Cracker Barrel and my traditional post-autocross meal of a chef's salad and large quantities of water. For dessert, a nice sprightly 118-mile jaunt to Jay's house in Rowlett, TX. The sun set as we arrived. The heat and the buffeting of the cape on my hat was starting to get to me. A shower and a call to Sue helped a lot. She told me that Carol, the lady who sold us our house and whose son Don has married our daughter Amanda, had friends in Goddard KS, near Whichita. They wanted to see the car and have me as their overnight guest. I abandoned my plan to look for a motel in Winfield KS. Monday: After a nice breakfast at Jay's, I tried to get out of the Dallas area. Unfortunately, I wound up stuck in traffic at a series of stoplights. It was already hot, and the TR4 is blessed with a radiator shroud but not a fan shroud. The temp needle was starting to head a bit farther to the right than my comfort zone. By switching the engine off when I anticipated a delay, we were able to survive until the road opened up. As soon as we hit 40 miles-per-hour, the temp dropped right back to 185. Somewhere north of Dallas on 75, I had a fueling incident. The gasoline nozzle had some sort of bellows attachment and the pump sported a warning label; "DO NOT TOP UP". This should have set off warning bells in my brain, but it did not. I let the pump shut off, then removed the nozzle. Everything looked fine. I went into the building for a few minutes. When I returned, there was gasoline dripping out of my car. Rats. I looked in the filler and saw the level was on the high side. I reasoned that there must be a leak in the filler nose or elsewhere in the top of the tank, where the previous fill did not reach. Stupid nozzle. I figured the quickest way to get the fuel level to lower itself was to get this rich-running car on the highway and burn some fuel. In Sherman TX, I stopped in the shade of some trees at a golf course and called Elton Clark. Tony gave me directions to his shop. We spent some enjoyable time together swapping stories and looking at each other's cars. Tony has an extraordinary collection of Lotus cars, including Elan, Elite, 51, 23 and the prototype Lotus Eleven. Wow. I determined that another day in the sun and the wind in an open car was going to kill me. Tony and I figured out how to put up the top frame and snap the top over it. It all fit perfectly and looked great. Then he reached into his pickup and gave me his cool-seat. I bent it fit the TR3-style seats in this early TR4 and headed west towards I35. The seat cooled me two ways: The coil-springs-on-their-sides allowed air to circulate between me and the seat. The assembly raised me up so the top provided more shade. Soon I saw Texas in my rear-view mirror. I stopped for lunch in Oklahoma City about 2:00. The traffic was not bad, and soon I was back in the country, cruising the interstate at about 65 miles-per-hour. When I crossed into Kansas, I dodged west to 81 and headed north. The TR4 liked getting on the two-lane again: I could swear I felt it smile. In Wellington KS, four high-school girls in a late-model car saw me turning a corner and pointed and screamed that I had a gorgeous car. This machine seems to have an effect on people. I was on a narrow two-lane with no shoulders when a large truck really hauling the freight passed me going the other way. The air blast shook the car and made me think the top was going to blow off, like what happened to that journalist with the Viper in Italy. But not a single snap popped. Good thing, too, as his partner was next, and pummeled me again. I arrived in Goddard just in time for dinner. I called autocrosser Loren Williams to see where the Wichita gang was. They were at the Brews Brothers, way across town, and Loren had to leave for a short meeting. I apologized for being late. We agreed that Loren and a few of the folks would meet me at Loren's place in Maize KS at 8:00. Since Maize is right next to Goddard, this worked well. Loren and two compatriots were there in the fading light when I drove up at eight. I gave some rides and Loren shot some flash pictures in the dark. Twist his arm and maybe he will email them to you. Again, I was sorry to be late for our meeting, but breakfast, traffic, and Elton Clark's Lotus collection slowed me down. The first and last were enjoyable and the middle one was unfortunate. So it goes. I phoned Chad Jester in Winfield. He agreed with my diagnosis of a rear-end clunk as a perished damper-link bushing, not fatal to the enterprise. Tuesday: Determined not to repeat scheduling problems of Monday, I politely refused breakfast and was rolling before dawn. I made it through early traffic in Wichita and headed north. The rising sun greeted me on the Kansas Turnpike, bound for Topeka. I took a delightful two-lane up to Atchison KS and on to Saint Joseph MO. I was just walking into the welcome-to-Iowa building when I realiazed there was a beetle walking across my left shoulder blade, under my shirt. Must have blown up my sleeve whilst I was at speed with my arm on the window sill. Soon I began to enter some overcast. Ironically, the first raindrops hit the windscreen while I was in a sunny patch. The sunshowers and more conventional rain lasted long enough for me to appreciate the pristine windscreen (made in Finland!) and the apparent use of Rain-X by the seller. This was especially welcome, since the wipers work about as well as you would expect in a 38-year-old British car. After some confusion, I found the hotel in Des Moines and checked in mid-afternoon. The weather was now clear, but muggy. I phoned Dan Buettner, who informed me the party was at Porky's drive-in at 6:00. Porky's, like its (unrelated, I think) namesake in Saint Paul, is a street-rod-oriented place not normally busy on a Tuesday night. Several car folks showed up. I gave some rides, and Dan Buettner agreed to give a ride so I could see and hear the TR4 from ground level. The sportier-than-stock exhaust does tend to announce the car's presence. I have not had any negative comment from the constablury yet. Wednesday: I was up at 6:00, fueled the car, and headed out on the freeway. The rain, which made me walk to the front desk with my luggage to load the car under the marquee, had stopped. I proceded on the I35/I80 commons, blissfully unaware that I was about to encounter the one truly terrifying incident of the trip. Bob Metz called me on my cell phone. I told him that I was sorry to hear that his Esprit had acted up in Detroit and that he had missed our dinner at Porky's. Traffic was OK. I put the phone down to negotiate the switch to I35 and got in the right lane. Good move. Soon I told Bob I would have to hang up, there was fog coming. I signed off, not knowing I was about to get a serious scare. I drove into thickest fog I have ever seen from an automobile. I could not see road signs at all. All I could see was ten feet of the white line on the right side of the road. Cars passed me and immediately disappered. Those were the ones with lights on. The morons with no lights were mere ghosts. If I drove fast, I could get involved in a chain-reaction crash. In a TR4 with a pre-Nader steering column and only lap belts, I didn't like the odds. If I slowed down, I'd get run over. I knew I had to get off that freeway. I followed the white line up an exit. I sensed as much as saw a stop sign. I could not read the signs describing the towns, their directions or their distances. I turned onto the two-lane and drove slowly. Some fool passed me going the other way, showing no lights. I saw his car only as it was beside me. As I was passing a driveway, I saw a man in his front yard. I got off the road and walked over to him. He directed me to Huxley IA. I eventualy found that city, parked before the Royal Cafe, walked in and ordered breakfast. An hour later, the visibility had changed from several feet to a half-mile, and I was on my way up the highway to Ames. I scooted over and rejoined I35. I rolled into my own driveway in mid-afternoon. I spent the rest of the day showing off the car to friends and family. Epilogue: The gasoline problem turned out to be a dried-out-and-cracked gasket on the fuel-gauge sender. I can't seem to get a new gasket in there without removing the tank from the car. Meanwhile, I removed the gasket, cleaned the surfaces and experimented with using Hylomar with no gasket. So far, so good. I removed the panel behind the gas tank, and will replace it with a reproduction. The panel ahead of the tank also smelled like fuel. It was masonite with carpeting attached. The panel does not show, so I replaced it with one I built of the Magic Material: Lexan. This stuff is wonderful. It is strong, easy to work with and bulletproof. It is transparent, so you can acurately spot the edges and holes you want to cut. I had a perfect fit and the job took less than an hour. Now we can peel back the top-frame-cover and keep an eye on the gas tank. Sort of the Visible Triumph. Sue and I went to the Capitol Crusers tonight. Sat in our folding chairs and smiled and answered questions about the car. Every Friday and Saturday night from 6 to 10, May through October, the city shuts down several streets and you car must be made before 1965 to enter and park. Great fun. Next I need to get the seat tracks working well so that Sue can take her first drive. The shotgun-the-lists approach to this story has now run its course. Most of the technical discussions will be limited to the Triumphs list to avoid boring the rest of you to tears. There will be some autocrossing in its future, but don't expect me to win HS at Nationals. I want to thank all the many netters from all these lists who have helped me with this project. You folks are the best. If you ever need help in the Twin Cities, you know who to call. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA From autox-owner Sun Aug 27 19:48:10 2000 From: Mike Mitchell To: Bradley Lamont Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:43:53 +0000 Subject: The Oscoda CENDIV GS report John McIver 55.6/46.6 102.195 Jeff Robinson 56.4/48.0 104.367 Steve Brouwr 57.6/48.0 105.666 Mike Mitchell 57.8/47.9 105.786 Jeff Brown 69.9!/46.8 114.968 Typical, fast Oscoda event. 180+ cars. 4 runs each day. Saturday runs for GS heat were basically run in the rain, which almost stopped around second run making this one everyone's quickest (though there was still plenty of standing water) John McI had his new Kuhmo rain tires (712's?) on which helped on this rainy Saturday. Jeff Brown did not like the rain on this day and coned/spun on all runs. Jeff R. did a nice job on newer Kuhmo V700's. If it had continued to not rain through the third and fourth runs, one of us might have caught John on his rain/street type tires. Sunday was ALOT of fun. Cloudy and not real warm. Third gear (yahoo!) for everybody through the last three turns (a long sweeper and a big S turn into the finish.) First part of the course was fast but fairly techical (two slaloms, two 180's). Nice flow, and the speed made things dicey and interesting. For me this was the best surface I have ever driven on (Sunday, NOT Saturday ...drifting a hydoplaning car through creeks and bogs around a fast course was an unpredictable adventure!) Jeff B. redeemed himself and did get within .2 seconds of John on Sunday, with the rest of us just over a second back. John pretty much had it won after the Saturday slog. All of us are showing up at the NWOR CENDIV event this Sunday. C'mon over if you can. Big, fast asphalt lot just off the interstate South of Toledo. McIver says it's been awhile since he's been on asphalt so..... we'll see! Later MIke PS. Three of four top cars were DSMs! From autox-owner Sun Aug 27 20:06:55 2000 From: Joshua Hadler To: "Team.Net" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:07:47 -0600 Subject: Paging Danielle Engstrom Danielle, If you're on the list, please get in touch with me. You're interaccess address bounced... -Josh2 -- Joshua Hadler jhadler@rmsolo.org http://rainbow.rmi.net/~jhadler/ From autox-owner Sun Aug 27 20:50:58 2000 From: "Steven Volpp" To: "team.net" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:56:43 -0500 Subject: Paging Peavey guitar winners I would like to get all Peavey guitar winners together for a song at the talent show. Don't worry if you can't play or sing, I can teach you in 30 minutes before the show. If you cannot bring your guitar, I can get one there for you. Talk to me.......... Steven Volpp Artist Relations Manager Peavey Electronics From autox-owner Sun Aug 27 21:22:37 2000 From: JVHT@aol.com To: Jeff@cyberconceptz.com, autox@autox.team.net (Autocross List) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:21:42 EDT Subject: Re: Autocross results software Jeff, I'm kind of new at networking so could you let me know what protocol and settings you are using to allow the ticker program to work. I am using Microsoft client for networking and NetBEUI with the default settings that Win95 installed. I am using Ovislink ISA PnP 10BaseT/2 cards with an Ovislink 8 port 10BaseT/2 hub and twisted pair wires. We have a Pentium 166MMX for the Main T&S server, Pentium 100 for the announcer program and two 486's for registration and the Ticker program. I have a network drive set up for the clients to run programs off the server. Everything works perfect except for Ticker. When anything accesses the network while Ticker is accessing, Ticker shuts down. Thanks for any help, (Event next weekend) John Taylor Webmaster and resident PC guy @ Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Website From autox-owner Sun Aug 27 22:02:33 2000 From: GraingerMK@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:59:06 EDT Subject: Need 2 R1's Still looking for TWO 205/50/15 R1's for local driver. The old R1's (not G-force) must have some tire life left in them. I will foward info to driver. Needs 2 tires to complete a set for this weekends Divisional. matthew grainger From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 05:14:36 2000 From: Ron Dillman To: "autox@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:14:29 -0500 Subject: BFG G Force tires FS 15" 245-50 size, never used or even mounted $600 plus shipping from St. Louis. Ron rdillman@cat2.com From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 05:28:48 2000 From: GolfSharro@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:26:42 EDT Subject: looking for Benny Dement Please email Danny Shields at FastDan5@AOL.com about nationals announcing worker assignment From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 05:45:53 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:43:46 EDT Subject: exchange worker assignments or make some money???? This is for anyone who would like to switch worker assignments with me for some personal reasons...I am to work Tues/Wed second heat. I need to work like 3rd, 4th on Thrus/Friday or would like to work first heat Tu/Wed....Or else if someone is going and would like to make some extra money while out there...let's talk. Also, we can throw some other ideas around if interested... Thanks- Jean Kinser From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 06:28:24 2000 From: "Murray, Matthew D." To: autox@autox.team.net, Jkinser77@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:26:00 -0400 Subject: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments Jean mentioned she knows her worker assignment. Could someone copy them and post them to the list and/or to me? I'm web challenged here at work. TYIA, Matt Murray ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean searched for help: ...I am to work Tues/Wed second heat. I need to work like 3rd, 4th on Thrus/Friday or would like to work first heat Tu/Wed.... Thanks- Jean Kinser From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 06:49:38 2000 From: Gail/Sid deLeon To: "Murray, Matthew D." Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:52:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments They are now on the SCCA Web Page http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/2000nationals/index.html Gail deLeon "Murray, Matthew D." wrote: > Jean mentioned she knows her worker assignment. Could someone copy them and > post them to the list and/or to me? I'm web challenged here at work. > > TYIA, > > Matt Murray > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jean searched for help: > > ...I am to work Tues/Wed second heat. I need to work > like 3rd, 4th on Thrus/Friday or would like to work first heat Tu/Wed.... > Thanks- > > Jean Kinser From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 08:00:01 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Jkinser77@aol.com'" , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:57:52 -0500 Subject: RE: exchange worker assignments or make some money???? Hey, how the heck did you find out the worker assignments already? Inquiring minds wanna know. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "Whatever you are, be a good one." Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) -----Original Message----- This is for anyone who would like to switch worker assignments with me for some personal reasons...I am to work Tues/Wed second heat. I need to work like 3rd, 4th on Thrus/Friday or would like to work first heat Tu/Wed....Or else if someone is going and would like to make some extra money while out there...let's talk. Also, we can throw some other ideas around if interested... Thanks- Jean Kinser From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 08:06:24 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Gail/Sid deLeon'" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:04:07 -0500 Subject: RE: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments Damn, we DSers have to work the CP heat. _That's_ gonna be a looooong heat. Lotsa noise, heat, rubber, oil and smoke. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "Whatever you are, be a good one." Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) -----Original Message----- They are now on the SCCA Web Page http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/2000nationals/index.html Gail deLeon From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 08:13:50 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: "Linnhoff, Eric" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:05:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments You think thats bad??? CM is working BS. Thats the same class we worked last year. After working that heat I was sure that I had seen every single Miata on the planet. Mike(They come in colors other than red?)B. 99cm "Linnhoff, Eric" wrote: > Damn, we DSers have to work the CP heat. _That's_ gonna be a looooong heat. > Lotsa noise, heat, rubber, oil and smoke. > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > 1998 Dodge Neon R/T > #69 DS #13 TLS > eric10mm@qni.com > > "Whatever you are, be a good one." > Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) > > -----Original Message----- > They are now on the SCCA Web Page > > http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/2000nationals/index.html > > Gail deLeon From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 08:21:12 2000 From: "Bruce Wentzel" To: "Isley, Jason C." , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:17:15 -0400 Subject: Re: FUEL? I got just what you need ;-) Super Siphon $8.95 Bruce Wentzel Green Dot Racing, Inc. Road Race & Solo II rentals BSP 71 Corvette LS6 - the original Greendot; ITA and ITS RX-7's Speedbleeders, $5.20, Super Siphon $8.95, credit cards now accepted at https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=greendotracing%40netzero.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Glenn Duensing'" ; "Isley, Jason C." ; "'Team.net'" Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 3:11 PM Subject: RE: FUEL? > As long as you provide the suction. ;) > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Duensing [mailto:rebel128@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 12:09 PM > To: Isley, Jason C.; 'Team.net' > Subject: Re: FUEL? > > > Jason, > > Drain it. I'll park next to you so you can drain into my tank 8^). > > Glenn > > > For those of you that don't drive your solo cars all the time. How > > long will the fuel stay good in the tank? I run a full tank of gas when I > > race my vette, but now that it spends all of its time on the trailer I > > wonder if I should drain the tank and fill it with fresh fuel > occasionally. > > Now I am not talking about race gas, just regular pump fuel. > > > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > > jason.isley@alltel.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 08:31:46 2000 From: RacerFlash@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:30:34 EDT Subject: Need stock 3rd gen air box bottom Hey guys, I'm looking for a Stock 3rd Gen Air Box Bottom. Anyone who has one in good condition laying around email me directly with a price. Thanks Bob Gordon SS #70 '94 RX-7TT R2 Silver "Anything worth doing, is worth doing FAST!" From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 08:48:05 2000 From: RacerFlash@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:46:49 EDT Subject: RE: Looking for 3rd Gen Air Box <<< I'm looking for a Stock 3rd Gen Air Box Bottom. Anyone who has one in good condition laying around email me directly with a price. >>> Sorry for the spam! I thought I was sending this message to the RX-7 list. But, if any of you "7" racers have an extra one, let me know. Thanks again, Bob Bob Gordon SS #70 '94 RX-7TT R2 Silver "Anything worth doing, is worth doing FAST!" From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 09:12:12 2000 From: Gail/Sid deLeon To: Mike Bultemeier Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:13:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments Six times! Sid Mike Bultemeier wrote: > You think thats bad??? CM is working BS. Thats the same class we worked last > year. After working that heat I was sure that I had seen every single Miata on > the planet. > > Mike(They come in colors other than red?)B. 99cm > > "Linnhoff, Eric" wrote: > > > Damn, we DSers have to work the CP heat. _That's_ gonna be a looooong heat. > > Lotsa noise, heat, rubber, oil and smoke. > > > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > > 1998 Dodge Neon R/T > > #69 DS #13 TLS > > eric10mm@qni.com > > > > "Whatever you are, be a good one." > > Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > They are now on the SCCA Web Page > > > > http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/2000nationals/index.html > > > > Gail deLeon From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 09:25:25 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: eric10mm@qni.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:24:20 EDT Subject: Re: exchange worker assignments or make some money???? Go to the SCCA site and look under what's new...it just has the run/work order and I am assuming I am getting what I asked for and in the order it says who works when, then that is when I work... Jean From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 09:27:15 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org, deleon@sstar.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:26:20 EDT Subject: Re: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments In a message dated 8/28/00 7:08:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org writes: << Damn, we DSers have to work the CP heat. _That's_ gonna be a looooong heat. Lotsa noise, heat, rubber, oil and smoke. >> But you will be entertained- Jean From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 09:36:46 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: "Linnhoff, Eric" , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:24:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments YEAH! Don'tcha love it!!! Phil O. (CP#5, thanks to Gordon Kinney!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Gail/Sid deLeon'" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:04 AM Subject: RE: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments > Damn, we DSers have to work the CP heat. _That's_ gonna be a looooong heat. > Lotsa noise, heat, rubber, oil and smoke. > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > 1998 Dodge Neon R/T > #69 DS #13 TLS > eric10mm@qni.com > > "Whatever you are, be a good one." > Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) > > > -----Original Message----- > They are now on the SCCA Web Page > > http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/2000nationals/index.html > > Gail deLeon > From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 09:43:41 2000 From: "Steven N. Burkett" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:43:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments This is a stupid first-timer question, but I thought that when they say "3 runs on each course" they meant 3 on the north course one day and 3 on the south course the other. But each class is listed on the same course for both days on the run/work order website. (i.e. ASP runs Thursday and Friday on the south course). So is the run/work order misleading? Or do they actually rearrange both courses twice? Suddenly confused, Steven From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 09:48:29 2000 From: Karl Witt To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:46:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments If i remember correctly from last year, they list the course you'll be on first. in your case, you'll be on the south course thursday and north friday. Karl At 10:43 AM 8/28/2000 -0500, Steven N. Burkett wrote: >This is a stupid first-timer question, but I thought that when they say "3 >runs on each course" they meant 3 on the north course one day and 3 on the >south course the other. > >But each class is listed on the same course for both days on the run/work >order website. (i.e. ASP runs Thursday and Friday on the south course). > >So is the run/work order misleading? Or do they actually rearrange both >courses twice? > >Suddenly confused, >Steven From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 09:47:24 2000 From: rohns@doitnow.com (Jim & Marilyn Rohn) To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:50:48 -0700 Subject: run - work order, no CP??? bwaaaa Not sure who was the wise one, but they REALLY made it inconvenient for the FS and ESP folks to view the CP show, they made our work schedule at the same time CP runs, just on the opposite end of the site. Talk about pi** poor planning ... anybody want to watch DM, FM & CSL run on the north course so I can watch CP? Happy to trade work assignments with you .... I even went out of my way to ask for a work assignment that allowed me to view CP on my entry form ... (grumble) jeesch, don't they know that ALL FS drivers are closet CP wannabees? Jim Rohn 26 FS Beater Racing From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 10:00:11 2000 From: "Richard Atkins" To: "'Phillip Osborne'" , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:16:15 -0500 Subject: RE: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments Yes, I look forward to watch CP run, always good effort, and it sure as he-- beats watch F125 which I had to work last year. -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Phillip Osborne Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:25 AM To: Linnhoff, Eric; 'Gail/Sid deLeon' Cc: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments YEAH! Don'tcha love it!!! Phil O. (CP#5, thanks to Gordon Kinney!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Gail/Sid deLeon'" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:04 AM Subject: RE: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments > Damn, we DSers have to work the CP heat. _That's_ gonna be a looooong heat. > Lotsa noise, heat, rubber, oil and smoke. > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > 1998 Dodge Neon R/T > #69 DS #13 TLS > eric10mm@qni.com > > "Whatever you are, be a good one." > Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) > > > -----Original Message----- > They are now on the SCCA Web Page > > http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/2000nationals/index.html > > Gail deLeon > From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 10:02:23 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:03:41 -0500 Subject: Re: run - work order, no CP??? bwaaaa They probably did that because CP is so big (the class that is:) The only way to correct the situation is to immediately switch your class to CP! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Marilyn Rohn" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:50 AM Subject: run - work order, no CP??? bwaaaa > Not sure who was the wise one, but they REALLY made it inconvenient for the > FS and ESP folks to view the CP show, they made our work schedule at the > same time CP runs, just on the opposite end of the site. Talk about pi** > poor planning ... > > anybody want to watch DM, FM & CSL run on the north course so I can watch CP? > > Happy to trade work assignments with you .... > > I even went out of my way to ask for a work assignment that allowed me to > view CP on my entry form ... (grumble) jeesch, don't they know that ALL FS > drivers are closet CP wannabees? > > Jim Rohn > 26 FS > Beater Racing > > From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 10:14:38 2000 From: Frankzip@aol.com To: ax-digest@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:13:13 EDT Subject: Trailer for sale Still available, double axel 14 foot. Electric brakes on 2 wheels. 77 3/8" inside-- 15" sides. Ideal size for Miata of CRX. $850.00 located in Oshkosh, WI. Frank at 920.237.3536 From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 10:19:23 2000 From: "Rick Cone" To: "'team.net'" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:17:17 -0400 Subject: Midwest Fuel/Nationals So I know I am going to bring my own Georgia version of Amoco Gasoline to Topeka. And I know the Midwest has that Reformulated, slighlty less potent version. The question is which states have use the reformulated fuel? Rick Cone From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 10:34:28 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:33:10 EDT Subject: Peru slots for non-Evolution students available... Not to make this overkill on the warm up-BUT, have had a few people wanting in Peru but were never in a school since '93. Here is the deal-we are allowing people in who have not been to a school but are signing up for 2001....this is possible with a $100 deposit sent to me that will be applied to their enrollment in a school next year. If you are one of these people who wanted in, write me ASAP as I leave Wed to go, and bring me your deposit check to the site. I need to know if you are intending to do this. Remember the practice is sat/sun and you can run or both days..$50 for both, $30 for one. It is a practice and not a school...... Thanks- Jean Kinser Owner All decals both logs and bumper stickers, plus all shirts will be available at the warm up, seminar and Nationals. From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 10:46:43 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:48:52 -0500 Subject: Fw: Peru slots for non-Evolution students available... And for those Midwesterners (or anybody) going to Jean's school on Sat. and Sun, come on and play with us on Monday. Why not, you will be driving through St. Louis anyway! Special 1 day entry fee is $25 And for those who are not going to Evolution Warm Ups, we still have some slots at the Solotime Gateway to Nationals open. Don't miss the 4th Solotime series event. Contact me directly if you are interested due to the late date! Gateway to Nationals Website: www.wcsllc.net/gatewaytonationals Dave Whitworth Chair, 2000 Solotime Gateway to Nationals Event dave@wcsllc.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:33 AM Subject: Peru slots for non-Evolution students available... > Not to make this overkill on the warm up-BUT, have had a few people wanting > in Peru but were never in a school since '93. Here is the deal-we are > allowing people in who have not been to a school but are signing up for > 2001....this is possible with a $100 deposit sent to me that will be applied > to their enrollment in a school next year. If you are one of these people > who wanted in, write me ASAP as I leave Wed to go, and bring me your deposit > check to the site. I need to know if you are intending to do this. Remember > the practice is sat/sun and you can run or both days..$50 for both, $30 for > one. It is a practice and not a school...... > > Thanks- > > Jean Kinser > Owner > > All decals both logs and bumper stickers, plus all shirts will be available > at the warm up, seminar and Nationals. > From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 10:53:39 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'Rick Cone'" , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:52:29 -0500 Subject: RE: Midwest Fuel/Nationals None of that reformulated crap here in Kansas or Missouri and certainly not in Topeka. You gotta keep an eye out for that 10% ethanol crap in the rural areas though. Sadly enough, Topekas version of Amoco Premium is only 91 octane, but at least it's not that ground water polluting, cancer causing, makes-your-car-run-like-crap reformulated stuff. Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "Whatever you are, be a good one." Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) -----Original Message----- So I know I am going to bring my own Georgia version of Amoco Gasoline to Topeka. And I know the Midwest has that Reformulated, slighlty less potent version. The question is which states have use the reformulated fuel? Rick Cone From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 11:28:11 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: dave@wcsllc.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:26:21 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: Peru slots for non-Evolution students available... In a message dated 8/28/00 9:48:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dave@wcsllc.net writes: << And for those Midwesterners (or anybody) going to Jean's school on Sat. and Sun, come on and play with us on Monday. Why not, you will be driving through St. Louis anyway! Special 1 day entry fee is $25 >> I will say that for any of you who have yet to attend this event site...what a great place to race. This is one of the biggest places I have been to-and there is so much to do. The club is a great one to work and race with! Jean From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 12:23:42 2000 From: Barbara.Leroy-Boehme@conexant.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:14:17 -0700 Subject: Any San Diego people looking for Terry (the alignment guy) from K&S Tire? For any of the San Diego folks who used K&S Tire for their alignments and would like to know where Terry ended up after the close of the business, I found him. Good alignment guys are hard to come by and I was relieved to know that I wouldn't have to take my car to someone new. If you would like to know where he is, contact me and I will be happy to tell you and to explain why I'm not just posting the information to team.net. Barb 94 Mazda Miata R From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 12:23:05 2000 From: Jeff Winchell To: "'rohns@doitnow.com'" , autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:06:01 -0700 Subject: RE: run - work order, no CP??? bwaaaa I'm not sure the M3s care if they can watch CP cars. ;> But seriously, I agree with you. -----Original Message----- From: rohns@doitnow.com [mailto:rohns@doitnow.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 8:51 AM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: run - work order, no CP??? bwaaaa Not sure who was the wise one, but they REALLY made it inconvenient for the FS and ESP folks to view the CP show, they made our work schedule at the same time CP runs, just on the opposite end of the site. Talk about pi** poor planning ... From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 12:25:14 2000 From: "Arthur Emerson" To: elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org, conekiller@prodigy.net, Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:23:59 GMT Subject: RE: Midwest Fuel/Nationals "Linnhoff, Eric" wrote: > >Sadly enough, Topekas version of Amoco Premium is only 91 >octane, but at least it's not that ground water polluting, >cancer causing, makes-your-car-run-like-crap reformulated >stuff. Many moons ago, I left my sea level lair on the east coast, and headed off to Nevada to compete in the Nevada Open Road Challenge. Along the way, I noticed that the fuel octane at the service station pumps dropped as the altitude increased. The race course, Nevada highway 318, is roughly at 5500-6500 feet above sea level. When I got to the event, one of the regulars told me that I should dump out the 15 gallons of 93 octane fuel that I lugged across the country, and instead run with the local super unleaded. Why? At altitude, higher octane fuel doesn't burn as hot. I think that I recall him saying that his Mustang was like 10-20 MPH slower running flat-out on the higher octane fuel. It isn't a matter of timing advance, but rather energy released in the explosion. Anyway, my sources say that Forbes Field is 320 meters above sea level. I don't believe that altitude will play a big role in whether 93 octane fuel is too hot for a stock-class car, but it's something that you might want to keep in mind. Personally, I'm packing 5 gallons of fuel from home, since air density is no problem in my car anyway. Driver density IS a problem, though..... :-( -Arthur ("TerraTrip-indicated 151 MPH in a Volkswagen" edition.) _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 13:25:57 2000 From: "Paula Whitney" To: , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:20:43 -0500 Subject: RE: exchange worker assignments If you have requested a specialty assignment, Grid, timing, tech etc you need to make sure the person you are exchanging assignments with, is qualified and willing to work your requested position. Also when exchanging work assignments if the entrant does not show up for your assignment, you lose your runs, not them. Make sure you know the folks you are changing with. paula From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 13:36:51 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: pwhitney@shamroc.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:34:57 EDT Subject: Re: exchange worker assignments In a message dated 8/28/00 12:30:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pwhitney@shamroc.com writes: << To: Jkinser77@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net CC: rohns@doitnow.com If you have requested a specialty assignment, Grid, timing, tech etc you need to make sure the person you are exchanging assignments with, is qualified and willing to work your requested position. Also when exchanging work assignments if the entrant does not show up for your assignment, you lose your runs, not them. Make sure you know the folks you are changing with. >> Not to mention someone who is physically capable and healthy of doing the job...ex. someone who is on crutches really shouldn't be out on course...(just a tip from experience or someone who doesn't know how to count in numerical order to work grid. Jean From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 13:53:59 2000 From: "Rick Cone" To: "'team.net'" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:38:49 -0400 Subject: Topeka Weather Topeka, holding true to its varied weather, showing a high of 108 today.... No problem with heat in the tires for today.... Rick From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 14:02:41 2000 From: "Otto Crosser" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:01:45 EDT Subject: RE: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments >Yes, I look forward to watch CP run, always good effort, and it sure as >he-- >beats watch F125 which I had to work last year. > What you don't like Nyeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeee- nyeeeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeee- winnngg deeeee deeeee deeee deeee winggggggg winnnnggggg winnnnngggggg eeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeee- Otto _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 14:06:00 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:07:14 -0400 Subject: St. Louis Advertising Space.... Anyone interested in Advertising this weekend at the Solotime Gateway to Nationals this weekend in St. Louis may contact me. I have what amounts to a very large billboard space available, that will be at the center of everything...... dave... you know what I am talking about.... -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 15:57:53 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: Rick Cone Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:48:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Topeka Weather Thats about what it was yesterday at a local event here in Kansas City. It was brutal in the car. By the end of a run the sweat was dripping in your eyes so bad you couldn't a thing. Mike(Don't worry by mid September, it could be snowing)B. 99cm Rick Cone wrote: > Topeka, holding true to its varied weather, showing a high of 108 today.... > > No problem with heat in the tires for today.... > > Rick From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 18:18:03 2000 From: "William J. Petro" To: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:21:44 -0400 Subject: FS Mustang wheel size (2nd try) I guess my first post wasn't really specific enough, so I'll try again. The 2000 Mustang GT (and 99 also, I believe) comes standard with 16 x 7.5 wheels. There is a factory, stand alone, option of 17 x 8 wheels available from the factory (which I have). I believe either would be legal for the current FS class. My question is, would I be better off finding a set of the standard 16 x 7.5 wheels for autox tires (easier to find), or should I look for a set of 17 x 8 wheels? I'd assume that if the 16's where 8 inch wide they would be better than the 17's at 8 inch wide for autox, all other factors being equal. According to both Kumho and BFGoodruch spec sheets a 245/45/16 or 245/45/17 is the widest recommended for either wheel. So would I be better off missing out on a half inch of width for the benefits of smaller diameter, lower rotational mass, and slightly less cost? thanks again Bill NNJR SCCA #88 FS (was GS) -----Original Message----- From: William J. Petro [mailto:petronix@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:17 PM To: 'autox@autox.team.net' Subject: FS Mustang wheel size I'm looking for wheels to autox my 00 Mustang GT which will be run in FS. Anyone have words of wisdom whether I should go with the stock size of 16 x 7.5 or 17 x 8. I have the 17 x 8 for the street. I was thinking I might be better off with the 16s for autox, for faster steering response, less rotational mass, etc.. I would be loosing out on the half inch width though. Anyone also know what size tire is best. I'll most likely be running Kumhos. Thanks in advance for any info. Bill P From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 19:04:16 2000 From: "Glenn Duensing" To: "Jim & Marilyn Rohn" , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:58:35 -0700 Subject: Re: run - work order, no CP??? bwaaaa Okay everybody. Let's just keep bugging Howard and Company. FS/ESPL CP/FSL ESP/CPL Glenn > Not sure who was the wise one, but they REALLY made it inconvenient for the > FS and ESP folks to view the CP show, they made our work schedule at the > same time CP runs, just on the opposite end of the site. Talk about pi** > poor planning ... > > anybody want to watch DM, FM & CSL run on the north course so I can watch CP? > > Happy to trade work assignments with you .... > > I even went out of my way to ask for a work assignment that allowed me to > view CP on my entry form ... (grumble) jeesch, don't they know that ALL FS > drivers are closet CP wannabees? > > Jim Rohn > 26 FS > Beater Racing > > > From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 19:05:54 2000 From: "Greg" To: "William J. Petro" , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:06:59 -0700 Subject: Re: FS Mustang wheel size (2nd try) >245/45/16 or > 245/45/17 is the widest recommended for either wheel. So would I be >better > off missing out on a half inch of width for the benefits of smaller > diameter, lower rotational mass, and slightly less cost? I don't have all your answers, but I had to respond anyway. Isn't a 245/45 the same 245mm wide regardless of wheel diameter? Therefore, I wouldn't think there should be any question. Lighter, cheaper, and same amount of rubber on pavement? Greg Reno Mazda MX-3 GS V6 #36 ES ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Petro" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: FS Mustang wheel size (2nd try) > I guess my first post wasn't really specific enough, so I'll try again. > The 2000 Mustang GT (and 99 also, I believe) comes standard with 16 x 7.5 > wheels. There is a factory, stand alone, option of 17 x 8 wheels available > from the factory (which I have). I believe either would be legal for the > current FS class. > > My question is, would I be better off finding a set of the standard 16 x 7.5 > wheels for autox tires (easier to find), or should I look for a set of 17 x > 8 wheels? I'd assume that if the 16's where 8 inch wide they would be > better than the 17's at 8 inch wide for autox, all other factors being > equal. According to both Kumho and BFGoodruch spec sheets a 245/45/16 or > 245/45/17 is the widest recommended for either wheel. So would I be better > off missing out on a half inch of width for the benefits of smaller > diameter, lower rotational mass, and slightly less cost? > > thanks again > Bill > NNJR SCCA #88 FS (was GS) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Petro [mailto:petronix@optonline.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:17 PM > To: 'autox@autox.team.net' > Subject: FS Mustang wheel size > > I'm looking for wheels to autox my 00 Mustang GT which will be run in FS. > Anyone have words of wisdom whether I should go with the stock size of 16 x > 7.5 or 17 x 8. I have the 17 x 8 for the street. I was thinking I might be > better off with the 16s for autox, for faster steering response, less > rotational mass, etc.. I would be loosing out on the half inch width > though. Anyone also know what size tire is best. I'll most likely be > running Kumhos. > > Thanks in advance for any info. > Bill P From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 20:09:07 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:59:49 -0400 Subject: Perry-Class Results The 2000 Georgia State Solo II Championship featured hot weather, hot competition and enough adversity to last a Solo II program a lifetime. Atlanta and Middle Georgia Regions teamed up to host the first (hopefully of many) Georgia State Solo II Championship at the Georgia National Fairgrounds in Perry, which is 110 miles South of Atlanta. The State meet was held in conjunction with The Georgia MotorFest which featured a car show, an audio soundoff competition and the Solo II. The whole Solo II part of the event was in jeopardy, however, as Atlanta Region's Van (with many of the cones) blew a radiator hose and overheated on the trip to the event and had to be abandoned by the side of the road for the weekend. Clint McMahan's willingness to drive back up to the van to put the needed supplies into the back of his pickup saved the day. That was a 2 hour round trip! Sunday saw the distant black clouds and lightning approaching as the 2-day drivers wound up their runs. 33 Sunday-only drivers were lined up to take their shots (and contend for their local region's series points) when the huge thunderstorm rolled in with no end in sight. So their runs got scrubbed. 70 drivers competed for their class championships in addition to a $1000 purse that paid out from $200 down to $20 for the top 20 drivers based on their PAX (handicap factor) performance. This event turned into a Southeastern event as drivers came from Georgia (of course), Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee and Alabama. Many of the Southeast's finest were getting final seat time in preparation for their trips to the Tire Rack Solo II National Championships in Topeka, Kansas in early September. Rich Shafer (of CP Trans Am fame) designed a HUGE course that meandered over 5 different parking areas and averaged 70 to 80 seconds, Saturday and 60 to 70 seconds on Sunday. The high heat in the 90s combined with small run groups and 6 runs put maximum stress on engines and tires on Saturday seeing many competitors opting NOT to take all their allowed runs. More conservatively sized run groups and a maximum of 4 runs on Sunday encouraged closer competition with most drivers taking all their shots. When the smoke and tire dust had settled into the, now forming, puddles, Robert Carpenter (from Knoxville, Tennessee no less) walked away with the $200 prize with his ancient Honda CRX over fellow ES competitor Ken Rupp (who won $120) driving the, supposedly, hot ES ride, a 2000 Toyota Celica GT. Class Last Name First Name Car Combined AM QUILLIAN MAC 97 MERCER FSAE 147.445 AM HINES RENEE F500 160.041 AM JOHNSON THOR 97 MERCER FSAE 162.472 AS SIPE MARK 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 143.224 AS STEVENSON MIKE 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 153.383 ASP MATTHEWS RICHARD 93 MAZDA RX7TT 149.279 ASP KOBS JOHN 90 MAZDA RX7T 150.230 BP DUCHENE STEVEN 87 MERKUR XR4TI 169.745 BS DARROW JOHN 00 MIATA 154.254 BSL DARROW JEANNE 00 MIATA 156.892 BSP THATCHER-TS BEN 86 CORVETTE 144.422 BSP RATCLIFFE ED 86 CORVETTE 153.195 CP SHAFER-TS RICH 84 TRANS-AM 142.909 CS PARCON JAY 93 TOYOTA MR2 149.784 CS ABERSON AL DATSUN 280Z 156.855 CS BAGGARLY SCOTT 92 MIATA 162.993 CS ANNEE CARL 86 MAZDA RX7 163.025 CSP BROWN JOHN 86 TOYOTA MR2 142.904 CSP SWAIN-TS JOHN 96 MIATA 151.780 DM KNOBEL HAROLD AUSTIN MINI COOPER 138.500 DS HENDY PETER 96 NEON 154.144 DSP STUBBS BARRY 88 CHEVY CAVALIER 158.716 EP BRYAN-TINSLEY BETSY 86 HONDA CIVIC 139.576 EP TINSLEY RICK 86 HONDA CIVIC 140.487 ES PULLIAM LARRY 00 TOYOTA CELICA 149.934 ES HENDRICKSON JIM 98 FORD ESCORT 154.011 ES KROLEWICZ JON 85 HONDA CRX SI 155.655 ESP LEWIS ROBERT 99 MUSTANG COBRA 144.471 ESP LEWIS TRACY 99 MUSTANG COBRA 151.191 ESP WEST JOSHUA 95 MUSTANG COBRA 155.846 ESP LOCKLAIR PAUL 99 MUSTANG COBRA 163.201 FM METZGER SHANE 84 DAREDEVIL F500 129.430 FM MCMAHAN CLINT KBS F500 130.162 FM MCMAHAN DAN KBS F500 136.822 FM STROUD JAY 92 KBS 150.649 FM CROWE CARL 92 KBS 1069.953 FP COFFEY BILL 71 DATSUN 240Z 141.648 FP SULLIVAN PATRICK 91 MAZDA RX7 169.224 FS GRIGG JERRY 96 CAMARO Z28 149.096 FS KLINE-TS KEVIN 98 MUSTANG 152.232 FS GRANT TYLER 99 TRANS AM 157.687 FSP JACKSON JK 74 TRIUMPH TR6 144.974 FSP MOORE CHRIS 74 TRIUMPH TR6 146.976 FSP HOWELL-TS J.BRETT 92 HONDA CIVIC 148.902 FSP VEHIGE JASON 85 VW GOLF 152.433 FSP WOERNER STEVEN 97 NISSAN TRUCK 161.116 GS SIMON-TS THOMAS 95 TAURUS SHO 155.588 GS GANG MARK 98 FORD CONTOUR 164.350 HS SANEY BARRY 91 HONDA CIVIS SI 156.958 HS FOLEY RON 99 MAZDA PROTEGE 157.565 HS MIGLINO PETER GEO STORM 159.394 N SULLIVAN PAT L 87 FIERO 186.697 OSP DIDUCK GARRET 94 MIATA 143.188 OSP RATHBONE W. DICKSON 66 FORD SHELBY GT 158.879 PES CARPENTER ROBERT 85 HONDA CRX 146.361 PES RUPP KEN 00 TOYOTA CELICA 147.545 PES CONE RICK 00 CELICA 149.592 PFS PULLIAM TOM 00 CAMARO Z28 144.293 PFS YOUMANS JEFFERY 96 CAMARO Z28 146.069 SM WEIMER JEFF 94 HONDA CIVIC 168.811 SM VANZINA TONY 96 Honda Civic 170.616 SS ECKLES-TS CHRIS 99 BMW M-ROADSTER 147.558 SSL SPENCER CAROLINE 2000 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 149.997 STR EASTON STEVE 99 HONDA CIVIC 156.025 STR LOWE SHELTON 00 HONDA PRELUDE 156.950 STS DOWNS PATRICK 96 VW GTI 159.237 STS SULLIVAN TREY 96 HONDA CIVIC 165.744 Overall PAX prize money winners Perry Payout Winnings Class Last Name First name Car 1 200 PES CARPENTER ROBERT 85 HONDA CRX 2 120 PES RUPP KEN 00 TOYOTA CELICA 3 80 PFS PULLIAM TOM 00 CAMARO Z28 4 70 AS SIPE MARK 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 5 60 FM METZGER SHANE 84 DAREDEVIL F500 6 50 PES CONE RICK 00 CELICA 7 50 FM MCMAHAN CLINT KBS F500 8 50 ES PULLIAM LARRY 00 TOYOTA CELICA 9 40 PFS YOUMANS JEFFERY 96 CAMARO Z28 10 40 ESP LEWIS ROBERT 99 MUSTANG COBRA 11 40 FSP JACKSON JK 74 TRIUMPH TR6 12 40 CS PARCON JAY 93 TOYOTA MR2 13 20 FS GRIGG JERRY 96 CAMARO Z28 14 20 FSP MOORE CHRIS 74 TRIUMPH TR6 15 20 CSP BROWN JOHN 86 TOYOTA MR2 16 20 ES HENDRICKSON JIM 98 FORD ESCORT 17 20 EP BRYAN-TINSLEY BETSY 86 HONDA CIVIC 18 20 FSP HOWELL-TS J.BRETT 92 HONDA CIVIC 19 20 BSP THATCHER-TS BEN 86 CORVETTE 20 20 ES KROLEWICZ JON 85 HONDA CRX SI 1000 Total Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 20:20:53 2000 From: Scott Meyers To: "TEAM.NET" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:18:05 -0700 Subject: Tuning Question - bad water temp sensor effect on performance A little break from the Nationals discussions........ I'm working on a "project car", one that will (hopefully) soon grace the pylon jungle. I've just finished doing the timing belt, and with that the water pump, cam seals, and all the hard to get to hoses and other stuff therein. As long as you're there, right? I also decided to change the water temp sensor "just because" it was old. In doing so I found serious corrosion on the two connectors, leaving me to believe that it was sending either *no* signal or the *default* message to the computer. The question - what effect on performance would a faulty water temp sensor have on a car's performance in a Solo 2 setting? Oh - it's a Nissan with factory multiport injection. :-) Thanks for any and all shared experiences. Scott Meyers From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 20:35:42 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "William J. Petro" , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:33:34 -0700 Subject: Re: FS Mustang wheel size (2nd try) Which of these works better depends in part on the torque characteristics of your Mustang. If you're having problems with wheelspin off the corners, you'd be better off with the 17" wheels. But if not, I'd go for the 16's; not only would you have lower effective gearing but you'd be sitting half an inch lower. Scot '91 CS Miata - unlike a Mustang, it doesn't have torque :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Petro" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: FS Mustang wheel size (2nd try) > I guess my first post wasn't really specific enough, so I'll try again. > The 2000 Mustang GT (and 99 also, I believe) comes standard with 16 x 7.5 > wheels. There is a factory, stand alone, option of 17 x 8 wheels available > from the factory (which I have). I believe either would be legal for the > current FS class. > > My question is, would I be better off finding a set of the standard 16 x 7.5 > wheels for autox tires (easier to find), or should I look for a set of 17 x > 8 wheels? I'd assume that if the 16's where 8 inch wide they would be > better than the 17's at 8 inch wide for autox, all other factors being > equal. According to both Kumho and BFGoodruch spec sheets a 245/45/16 or > 245/45/17 is the widest recommended for either wheel. So would I be better > off missing out on a half inch of width for the benefits of smaller > diameter, lower rotational mass, and slightly less cost? > > thanks again > Bill > NNJR SCCA #88 FS (was GS) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Petro [mailto:petronix@optonline.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:17 PM > To: 'autox@autox.team.net' > Subject: FS Mustang wheel size > > I'm looking for wheels to autox my 00 Mustang GT which will be run in FS. > Anyone have words of wisdom whether I should go with the stock size of 16 x > 7.5 or 17 x 8. I have the 17 x 8 for the street. I was thinking I might be > better off with the 16s for autox, for faster steering response, less > rotational mass, etc.. I would be loosing out on the half inch width > though. Anyone also know what size tire is best. I'll most likely be > running Kumhos. > > Thanks in advance for any info. > Bill P > > From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 20:42:29 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: "Glenn Duensing" , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:39:58 -0700 Subject: Re: run - work order, no CP??? bwaaaa I guess I got lucky. My run/work assignments will allow me to watch both CP and CPL run. I'm not in FS (obviously), and not really a CP wannabe, but I love watching these guys run. BTW, anyone got a ratty old F-bod or Stang for sale? (just kidding) Scot '91 CS Miata ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Duensing" To: "Jim & Marilyn Rohn" ; Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:58 PM Subject: Re: run - work order, no CP??? bwaaaa > Okay everybody. Let's just keep bugging Howard and Company. > > FS/ESPL CP/FSL ESP/CPL > > Glenn > > > Not sure who was the wise one, but they REALLY made it inconvenient for > the > > FS and ESP folks to view the CP show, they made our work schedule at the > > same time CP runs, just on the opposite end of the site. Talk about pi** > > poor planning ... > > > > anybody want to watch DM, FM & CSL run on the north course so I can watch > CP? > > > > Happy to trade work assignments with you .... > > > > I even went out of my way to ask for a work assignment that allowed me to > > view CP on my entry form ... (grumble) jeesch, don't they know that ALL > FS > > drivers are closet CP wannabees? > > > > Jim Rohn > > 26 FS > > Beater Racing > > > > > > > > From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 21:07:26 2000 From: Jeff Cashmore To: "team.net" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:05:17 -0500 Subject: BFG R1's? Apparently the G-Forces in my size are backordered. Does anyone have two old R1's (225/50-14) they want to sell? "Give me your tired, your poor..." Jeff Cashmore From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 21:10:35 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:55:22 -0400 Subject: Perry-Sunday sorted by times Class Last Name First Name Car Sun Best FM MCMAHAN CLINT KBS F500 60.770 FM METZGER SHANE 84 DAREDEVIL F500 61.839 FM MCMAHAN DAN KBS F500 65.427 DM KNOBEL HAROLD AUSTIN MINI COOPER 66.045 EP BRYAN-TINSLEY BETSY 86 HONDA CIVIC 66.129 EP TINSLEY RICK 86 HONDA CIVIC 66.856 FP COFFEY BILL 71 DATSUN 240Z 67.150 CP SHAFER-TS RICH 84 TRANS-AM 67.536 PFS PULLIAM TOM 00 CAMARO Z28 67.575 AS SIPE MARK 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 67.871 BSP THATCHER-TS BEN 86 CORVETTE 67.968 CSP BROWN JOHN 86 TOYOTA MR2 68.086 ESP LEWIS ROBERT 99 MUSTANG COBRA 68.147 OSP DIDUCK GARRET 94 MIATA 68.167 FSP JACKSON JK 74 TRIUMPH TR6 68.696 PFS YOUMANS JEFFERY 96 CAMARO Z28 69.079 PES CARPENTER ROBERT 85 HONDA CRX 69.373 AM QUILLIAN MAC 97 MERCER FSAE 69.490 FSP HOWELL-TS J.BRETT 92 HONDA CIVIC 69.988 SS ECKLES-TS CHRIS 99 BMW M-ROADSTER 70.035 PES RUPP KEN 00 TOYOTA CELICA 70.088 FS GRIGG JERRY 96 CAMARO Z28 70.112 FSP MOORE CHRIS 74 TRIUMPH TR6 70.136 ASP MATTHEWS RICHARD 93 MAZDA RX7TT 70.169 FM STROUD JAY 92 KBS 70.491 SSL SPENCER CAROLINE 2000 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 70.845 ASP KOBS JOHN 90 MAZDA RX7T 70.891 FM CROWE CARL 92 KBS 70.953 CS PARCON JAY 93 TOYOTA MR2 71.050 ESP LEWIS TRACY 99 MUSTANG COBRA 71.392 PES CONE RICK 00 CELICA 71.399 ES PULLIAM LARRY 00 TOYOTA CELICA 71.642 CSP SWAIN-TS JOHN 96 MIATA 71.779 FS KLINE-TS KEVIN 98 MUSTANG 71.830 ES HENDRICKSON JIM 98 FORD ESCORT 72.217 FSP VEHIGE JASON 85 VW GOLF 72.355 BSP RATCLIFFE ED 86 CORVETTE 72.690 AS STEVENSON MIKE 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 72.693 BSL DARROW JEANNE 00 MIATA 72.961 BS DARROW JOHN 00 MIATA 73.205 STR EASTON STEVE 99 HONDA CIVIC 73.293 DS HENDY PETER 96 NEON 73.322 GS SIMON-TS THOMAS 95 TAURUS SHO 73.772 STR LOWE SHELTON 00 HONDA PRELUDE 73.813 ESP WEST JOSHUA 95 MUSTANG COBRA 73.860 HS SANEY BARRY 91 HONDA CIVIS SI 73.965 CS ABERSON AL DATSUN 280Z 74.007 HS FOLEY RON 99 MAZDA PROTEGE 74.543 AM HINES RENEE F500 74.701 ES KROLEWICZ JON 85 HONDA CRX SI 74.738 FS GRANT TYLER 99 TRANS AM 74.776 OSP RATHBONE W. DICKSON 66 FORD SHELBY GT 74.776 STS DOWNS PATRICK 96 VW GTI 75.051 HS MIGLINO PETER GEO STORM 75.369 DSP STUBBS BARRY 88 CHEVY CAVALIER 76.039 CS BAGGARLY SCOTT 92 MIATA 76.825 FSP WOERNER STEVEN 97 NISSAN TRUCK 76.827 ESP LOCKLAIR PAUL 99 MUSTANG COBRA 76.941 GS GANG MARK 98 FORD CONTOUR 77.059 AM JOHNSON THOR 97 MERCER FSAE 77.338 CS ANNEE CARL 86 MAZDA RX7 77.766 STS SULLIVAN TREY 96 HONDA CIVIC 78.258 FP SULLIVAN PATRICK 91 MAZDA RX7 79.204 SM VANZINA TONY 96 Honda Civic 79.630 SM WEIMER JEFF 94 HONDA CIVIC 80.755 BP DUCHENE STEVEN 87 MERKUR XR4TI 80.848 N SULLIVAN PAT L 87 FIERO 87.428 Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 21:11:06 2000 From: "Rick" To: "Scott Meyers" , "TEAM.NET" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Tuning Question - bad water temp sensor effect on performance at risk of oversimplifing If the sender reads colder than the engine is it may cause the engine to run rich. or if it reads hotter it will lean the engine. when i was working with Boush L-Jetronic systems 20 years ago I had this one Alfa that was real strong off the line, I had tricked up the flowmeter on this car same as the others. I had never paid any attention to the temp sensor till one day when I looking for a electrical problem .I discovered a low voltage signal in the unit. I changed it and the customer came back complaining the car wasn't as fast as it had been. To make a long story shorter through process of elimination I discovered the sender was making the car run a bit richer than normal. as you may guess afterwards many evenings were spent with an ohmmeter going through boxes of temp sensors looking for the "trick ones" rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Meyers" To: "TEAM.NET" Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: Tuning Question - bad water temp sensor effect on performance > A little break from the Nationals discussions........ > > I'm working on a "project car", one that will (hopefully) soon grace the > pylon jungle. I've just finished doing the timing belt, and with that > the water pump, cam seals, and all the hard to get to hoses and other > stuff therein. As long as you're there, right? > > I also decided to change the water temp sensor "just because" it was > old. In doing so I found serious corrosion on the two connectors, > leaving me to believe that it was sending either *no* signal or the > *default* message to the computer. > > The question - what effect on performance would a faulty water temp > sensor have on a car's performance in a Solo 2 setting? Oh - it's a > Nissan with factory multiport injection. :-) > > Thanks for any and all shared experiences. > > Scott Meyers > > > From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 21:11:46 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:57:43 -0400 Subject: Perry Overall sorted by PAX Class Last Name First Name Car PAX PES CARPENTER ROBERT 85 HONDA CRX 115.040 PES RUPP KEN 00 TOYOTA CELICA 115.970 PFS PULLIAM TOM 00 CAMARO Z28 116.444 AS SIPE MARK 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 116.728 FM METZGER SHANE 84 DAREDEVIL F500 117.005 PES CONE RICK 00 CELICA 117.579 FM MCMAHAN CLINT KBS F500 117.666 ES PULLIAM LARRY 00 TOYOTA CELICA 117.848 PFS YOUMANS JEFFERY 96 CAMARO Z28 117.878 ESP LEWIS ROBERT 99 MUSTANG COBRA 118.755 FSP JACKSON JK 74 TRIUMPH TR6 118.879 CS PARCON JAY 93 TOYOTA MR2 120.127 FS GRIGG JERRY 96 CAMARO Z28 120.320 FSP MOORE CHRIS 74 TRIUMPH TR6 120.520 CSP BROWN JOHN 86 TOYOTA MR2 120.611 ES HENDRICKSON JIM 98 FORD ESCORT 121.053 EP BRYAN-TINSLEY BETSY 86 HONDA CIVIC 121.710 FSP HOWELL-TS J.BRETT 92 HONDA CIVIC 122.100 BSP THATCHER-TS BEN 86 CORVETTE 122.181 ES KROLEWICZ JON 85 HONDA CRX SI 122.345 CP SHAFER-TS RICH 84 TRANS-AM 122.473 SS ECKLES-TS CHRIS 99 BMW M-ROADSTER 122.473 EP TINSLEY RICK 86 HONDA CIVIC 122.505 GS SIMON-TS THOMAS 95 TAURUS SHO 122.603 OSP DIDUCK GARRET 94 MIATA 122.712 FS KLINE-TS KEVIN 98 MUSTANG 122.851 FP COFFEY BILL 71 DATSUN 240Z 122.950 HS SANEY BARRY 91 HONDA CIVIS SI 123.212 DS HENDY PETER 96 NEON 123.315 FM MCMAHAN DAN KBS F500 123.687 HS FOLEY RON 99 MAZDA PROTEGE 123.689 ESP LEWIS TRACY 99 MUSTANG COBRA 124.279 SSL SPENCER CAROLINE 2000 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 124.498 DM KNOBEL HAROLD AUSTIN MINI COOPER 124.650 FSP VEHIGE JASON 85 VW GOLF 124.995 AS STEVENSON MIKE 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 125.007 BS DARROW JOHN 00 MIATA 125.100 HS MIGLINO PETER GEO STORM 125.124 STS DOWNS PATRICK 96 VW GTI 125.638 CS ABERSON AL DATSUN 280Z 125.798 STR EASTON STEVE 99 HONDA CIVIC 126.692 ASP MATTHEWS RICHARD 93 MAZDA RX7TT 127.186 BSL DARROW JEANNE 00 MIATA 127.239 FS GRANT TYLER 99 TRANS AM 127.253 STR LOWE SHELTON 00 HONDA PRELUDE 127.443 ASP KOBS JOHN 90 MAZDA RX7T 127.996 CSP SWAIN-TS JOHN 96 MIATA 128.102 ESP WEST JOSHUA 95 MUSTANG COBRA 128.105 GS GANG MARK 98 FORD CONTOUR 129.508 BSP RATCLIFFE ED 86 CORVETTE 129.603 DSP STUBBS BARRY 88 CHEVY CAVALIER 130.147 CS BAGGARLY SCOTT 92 MIATA 130.720 CS ANNEE CARL 86 MAZDA RX7 130.746 STS SULLIVAN TREY 96 HONDA CIVIC 130.772 FSP WOERNER STEVEN 97 NISSAN TRUCK 132.115 ESP LOCKLAIR PAUL 99 MUSTANG COBRA 134.151 OSP RATHBONE W. DICKSON 66 FORD SHELBY GT 136.159 FM STROUD JAY 92 KBS 136.187 SM WEIMER JEFF 94 HONDA CIVIC 139.269 SM VANZINA TONY 96 Honda Civic 140.758 FP SULLIVAN PATRICK 91 MAZDA RX7 146.886 AM QUILLIAN MAC 97 MERCER FSAE 147.445 BP DUCHENE STEVEN 87 MERKUR XR4TI 148.357 AM HINES RENEE F500 160.041 AM JOHNSON THOR 97 MERCER FSAE 162.472 N SULLIVAN PAT L 87 FIERO 186.697 FM CROWE CARL 92 KBS 967.238 Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 21:13:29 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:48:53 -0400 Subject: Perry Overall sorted by time Class Last Name First Name Car Combined FM METZGER SHANE 84 DAREDEVIL F500 129.430 FM MCMAHAN CLINT KBS F500 130.162 FM MCMAHAN DAN KBS F500 136.822 DM KNOBEL HAROLD AUSTIN MINI COOPER 138.500 EP BRYAN-TINSLEY BETSY 86 HONDA CIVIC 139.576 EP TINSLEY RICK 86 HONDA CIVIC 140.487 FP COFFEY BILL 71 DATSUN 240Z 141.648 CSP BROWN JOHN 86 TOYOTA MR2 142.904 CP SHAFER-TS RICH 84 TRANS-AM 142.909 OSP DIDUCK GARRET 94 MIATA 143.188 AS SIPE MARK 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 143.224 PFS PULLIAM TOM 00 CAMARO Z28 144.293 BSP THATCHER-TS BEN 86 CORVETTE 144.422 ESP LEWIS ROBERT 99 MUSTANG COBRA 144.471 FSP JACKSON JK 74 TRIUMPH TR6 144.974 PFS YOUMANS JEFFERY 96 CAMARO Z28 146.069 PES CARPENTER ROBERT 85 HONDA CRX 146.361 FSP MOORE CHRIS 74 TRIUMPH TR6 146.976 AM QUILLIAN MAC 97 MERCER FSAE 147.445 PES RUPP KEN 00 TOYOTA CELICA 147.545 SS ECKLES-TS CHRIS 99 BMW M-ROADSTER 147.558 FSP HOWELL-TS J.BRETT 92 HONDA CIVIC 148.902 FS GRIGG JERRY 96 CAMARO Z28 149.096 ASP MATTHEWS RICHARD 93 MAZDA RX7TT 149.279 PES CONE RICK 00 CELICA 149.592 CS PARCON JAY 93 TOYOTA MR2 149.784 ES PULLIAM LARRY 00 TOYOTA CELICA 149.934 SSL SPENCER CAROLINE 2000 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 149.997 ASP KOBS JOHN 90 MAZDA RX7T 150.230 FM STROUD JAY 92 KBS 150.649 ESP LEWIS TRACY 99 MUSTANG COBRA 151.191 CSP SWAIN-TS JOHN 96 MIATA 151.780 FS KLINE-TS KEVIN 98 MUSTANG 152.232 FSP VEHIGE JASON 85 VW GOLF 152.433 BSP RATCLIFFE ED 86 CORVETTE 153.195 AS STEVENSON MIKE 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 153.383 ES HENDRICKSON JIM 98 FORD ESCORT 154.011 DS HENDY PETER 96 NEON 154.144 BS DARROW JOHN 00 MIATA 154.254 GS SIMON-TS THOMAS 95 TAURUS SHO 155.588 ES KROLEWICZ JON 85 HONDA CRX SI 155.655 ESP WEST JOSHUA 95 MUSTANG COBRA 155.846 STR EASTON STEVE 99 HONDA CIVIC 156.025 CS ABERSON AL DATSUN 280Z 156.855 BSL DARROW JEANNE 00 MIATA 156.892 STR LOWE SHELTON 00 HONDA PRELUDE 156.950 HS SANEY BARRY 91 HONDA CIVIS SI 156.958 HS FOLEY RON 99 MAZDA PROTEGE 157.565 FS GRANT TYLER 99 TRANS AM 157.687 DSP STUBBS BARRY 88 CHEVY CAVALIER 158.716 OSP RATHBONE W. DICKSON 66 FORD SHELBY GT 158.879 STS DOWNS PATRICK 96 VW GTI 159.237 HS MIGLINO PETER GEO STORM 159.394 AM HINES RENEE F500 160.041 FSP WOERNER STEVEN 97 NISSAN TRUCK 161.116 AM JOHNSON THOR 97 MERCER FSAE 162.472 CS BAGGARLY SCOTT 92 MIATA 162.993 CS ANNEE CARL 86 MAZDA RX7 163.025 ESP LOCKLAIR PAUL 99 MUSTANG COBRA 163.201 GS GANG MARK 98 FORD CONTOUR 164.350 STS SULLIVAN TREY 96 HONDA CIVIC 165.744 SM WEIMER JEFF 94 HONDA CIVIC 168.811 FP SULLIVAN PATRICK 91 MAZDA RX7 169.224 BP DUCHENE STEVEN 87 MERKUR XR4TI 169.745 SM VANZINA TONY 96 Honda Civic 170.616 N SULLIVAN PAT L 87 FIERO 186.697 AM HATFIELD WARREN KBS 999.000 FM CROWE CARL 92 KBS 1069.953 Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 21:14:44 2000 From: Ben Thatcher To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:51:52 -0400 Subject: Perry-Saturday sorted by times Class Last Name First Name Car Sat Best FM METZGER SHANE 84 DAREDEVIL F500 67.591 FM MCMAHAN CLINT KBS F500 69.392 FM MCMAHAN DAN KBS F500 71.395 FM MURPHY JIM 84 DAREDEVIL F500 71.749 DM KNOBEL HAROLD AUSTIN MINI COOPER 72.455 EP BRYAN-TINSLEY BETSY 86 HONDA CIVIC 73.447 EP TINSLEY RICK 86 HONDA CIVIC 73.631 FP COFFEY BILL 71 DATSUN 240Z 74.498 CSP BROWN JOHN 86 TOYOTA MR2 74.818 OSP DIDUCK GARRET 94 MIATA 75.021 AS SIPE MARK 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 75.353 CP SHAFER-TS RICH 84 TRANS-AM 75.373 FSP JACKSON JK 74 TRIUMPH TR6 76.278 ESP LEWIS ROBERT 99 MUSTANG COBRA 76.324 BSP THATCHER-TS BEN 86 CORVETTE 76.454 PFS PULLIAM TOM 00 CAMARO Z28 76.718 FSP MOORE CHRIS 74 TRIUMPH TR6 76.840 PES CARPENTER ROBERT 85 HONDA CRX 76.988 PFS YOUMANS JEFFERY 96 CAMARO Z28 76.990 PES RUPP KEN 00 TOYOTA CELICA 77.457 SS ECKLES-TS CHRIS 99 BMW M-ROADSTER 77.523 AM QUILLIAN MAC 97 MERCER FSAE 77.955 PES CONE RICK 00 CELICA 78.193 ES PULLIAM LARRY 00 TOYOTA CELICA 78.292 CS PARCON JAY 93 TOYOTA MR2 78.734 FSP HOWELL-TS J.BRETT 92 HONDA CIVIC 78.914 FS GRIGG JERRY 96 CAMARO Z28 78.984 ASP MATTHEWS RICHARD 93 MAZDA RX7TT 79.110 SSL SPENCER CAROLINE 2000 PORSCHE BOXSTER S 79.152 ASP KOBS JOHN 90 MAZDA RX7T 79.339 ESP LEWIS TRACY 99 MUSTANG COBRA 79.799 CSP SWAIN-TS JOHN 96 MIATA 80.001 FSP VEHIGE JASON 85 VW GOLF 80.078 FM STROUD JAY 92 KBS 80.158 FS KLINE-TS KEVIN 98 MUSTANG 80.402 BSP RATCLIFFE ED 86 CORVETTE 80.505 AS STEVENSON MIKE 99 BMW Z3 COUPE 80.690 DS HENDY PETER 96 NEON 80.822 ES KROLEWICZ JON 85 HONDA CRX SI 80.917 BS DARROW JOHN 00 MIATA 81.049 ES HENDRICKSON JIM 98 FORD ESCORT 81.794 GS SIMON-TS THOMAS 95 TAURUS SHO 81.816 ESP WEST JOSHUA 95 MUSTANG COBRA 81.986 DSP STUBBS BARRY 88 CHEVY CAVALIER 82.677 STR EASTON STEVE 99 HONDA CIVIC 82.732 CS ABERSON AL DATSUN 280Z 82.848 FS GRANT TYLER 99 TRANS AM 82.911 HS SANEY BARRY 91 HONDA CIVIS SI 82.993 HS FOLEY RON 99 MAZDA PROTEGE 83.022 STR LOWE SHELTON 00 HONDA PRELUDE 83.137 BSL DARROW JEANNE 00 MIATA 83.931 HS MIGLINO PETER GEO STORM 84.025 OSP RATHBONE W. DICKSON 66 FORD SHELBY GT 84.103 STS DOWNS PATRICK 96 VW GTI 84.186 FSP WOERNER STEVEN 97 NISSAN TRUCK 84.289 AM JOHNSON THOR 97 MERCER FSAE 85.134 CS ANNEE CARL 86 MAZDA RX7 85.259 AM HINES RENEE F500 85.340 CS BAGGARLY SCOTT 92 MIATA 86.168 ESP LOCKLAIR PAUL 99 MUSTANG COBRA 86.260 GS GANG MARK 98 FORD CONTOUR 87.291 STS SULLIVAN TREY 96 HONDA CIVIC 87.486 SM WEIMER JEFF 94 HONDA CIVIC 88.056 DSP LASATER JON 75 HONDA CIVIC 88.134 ESP HANNAY JOHN 92 BMW 535I 88.501 BP DUCHENE STEVEN 87 MERKUR XR4TI 88.897 EP CLAY BOB 69 BMW 1600 88.907 FP SULLIVAN PATRICK 91 MAZDA RX7 90.020 SM VANZINA TONY 96 Honda Civic 90.986 N SULLIVAN PAT L 87 FIERO 99.269 AM HATFIELD WARREN KBS 999.000 FM CROWE CARL 92 KBS 999.000 Ben Thatcher Apex Benefit Services & Motorsports Stockbridge, GA From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 21:37:07 2000 From: "Robert Seamon" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:35:49 GMT Subject: The window tirerack.com banner again. Now the web site doesn't say anything about placement of the tirerack.com "windshield banner." I don't recall reading anything about it in the supp regs in sports car either... Probably just an oversight. Oh webmaster do you read the list? Also can one send a SAE and get the sticker early so we can drive around town before nationals with it on? Quoting the web site on Nationals information: ENTRY INFORMATION / DECALS Now through August 18: Standard fees as published on entry form August 19 - August 25th: Standard fees, plus $50.00 late fee August 26 - September 13th: Standard fees, plus $150.00 late fee Entry Withdrawal Deadline! September 6th, 2000 Reminder: In the interest of fairness, and to allow SCCA officials, the Forbes Field site workers, and your course designers the proper amount of time to prepare the Solo II Nationals site for you, there will be absolutely no admittance to the site prior to 2:00 P.M., on Thursday, September 7, 2000 Please make sure your Tire Rack SCCA Solo II Nationals Championship decals are in the correct location before you go to tech. The decals must be displayed on the upper half front fender between the center of the wheel opening and the leading edge of door or just behind the leading edge of the door. For cars without fenders, decals must be on the nose and/or adjacent to the numbers on the sides of the car. Placement will be checked before the car passes tech. _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 22:17:13 2000 From: Paul and Meredith Brown To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:14:59 -0600 Subject: Subject: Re: FS Mustang wheel size (2nd try) >I don't have all your answers, but I had to respond anyway. Isn't a 245/45 >the same 245mm wide regardless of wheel diameter? Therefore, I wouldn't >think there should be any question. Lighter, cheaper, and same amount of >rubber on pavement? Don't confuse nominal sizes with reality. They may very well be the same width (section width, anyway) but you have to look at their specs for actual widths and tread widths. Be aware of what they are measuring - there is a design rim width, which is what the specs are shown for. If you have a different rim width than that, you will have a different result (section width in particular is effected by rim width; tread width probably changes relatively little). Then you have to factor in sidewall heights (in general, we like smaller overall diameter, but on some cars or some courses that could just lead to lots of shifting). And you also have to consider what effect that sidewall height has on spring rates - the sidewalls (especially on a DOT tire) are a significant part of the total spring rate, so a shorter sidewall at the same OD could be a good thing. Then you have to consider how one or the other will fit your driving style. Then look at prices - if they are all equal, but the 17" stuff costs 50% more, then the 16" package is probably the way to go. Now, to the weight issue. Is a 17" package (at the same ODa and same width) actually heavier than a 16"? Depends. There is considerably less rubber. With decent rims, you may find that the 17" package weighs less than a 16" package (I'm making some logical leaps here - you'd definitely have to weight some wheels and tires). Then you have to take into consideration the rotational inertia of each package, and again, it is possible that the 17" package has the advantage. Or not. This exercise is left to the student.... As always, none of this is to be taken as official in any way, shape, or form. Paul Brown Isotope Racing Wheels - I will have a set of white 15X6 Volk TE-37s to fit the late Miatas available at Topeka. 9 lb, 6 oz each! Paul and Meredith Brown MR2: "Not the easiest car in the world to work on" From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 22:28:40 2000 From: PbPied@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:27:26 EDT Subject: RE: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments Why, don't we hit enough cones for you? Besides, you also got to watch AM and BM run the same heat. What's to complain about? Alan Sheidler F125 #121 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:16:15 -0500 >From: "Richard Atkins" >Yes, I look forward to watch CP run, always good effort, and it sure as he-- >beats watch F125 which I had to work last year. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 23:20:23 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: , Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:18:52 -0700 Subject: RE: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) If you can go down to a Chevy dealer and buy a 2001 C5 coupe with the Z06 option, I'll buy it from you for twice what you paid. Chevy calls the Z06 version a hardtop, and calls the base model with the targa top a coupe. Argue with them if you want, but for classing purposes we'd better stick with the manufacturer's terminology, eh? KeS > not to be anal here but......A coupe is a pillar-less hardtop, with no side > window frames, since the Vette has no quater glass none of the Vettes have > window pillars, so if you have a 2 door Corvette that has no side window > frames and isn't a targa top(t-tops are still considered coupes) and has a > solid non removeable roof then it ia a coupe, what I'm saying here is there > is no differance between the two roofs no matter what you call them, in > 1971-1972 Oldsmobile had two distinctly diffrent roofs, the "Holiday Coupe" > and the standard roof one was a fastback design and the other was a notch > back, both were still coups, same with the 1965-1973 Mustangs. My 1984 RX-7 > has fully framed windows, therefore it is a 2 door hardtop yet some will > still call it a coupe, but they are incorrect. > Mostly this confusion on terminology is becuase of different marketing > departments blatant ignorance of proper nomenclature ie. true roadsters don't > have side windows(glass) they have snap in side curtains. > After restoring a vast variaty of cars over the last 15 or so years I get a > little anal over these details. Feel free to flame away, I'm a big boy and > can take it. > > > "Buy what you want. Fix what you can. And remember, if you had all of the > money that you've spent on cars, you would spend it all on cars." > > Kurt"Wolfgang"Peterson > CSP/ITS #22 > 1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE > 1985 Buick Regal T-Type WH-1 > 1972 Buick SportWagon GS 455 > 1968 Buick Skylark > http://members.aol.com/lwolfracin/home.html > > From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 23:21:00 2000 From: PbPied@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:19:23 EDT Subject: RE: Sounds. was: Work schedules, exchange, etc. I get it... You prefer the Waaaaaaaaaaaahh- Waaaaaaaaaaahh- Waaaaaaaaaaaahh- Waaaaaaaaaaaahh- Waaaaahh- Waaaaaaaaaaaaahh- of the AM and F440/500 cars, eh? Or perhaps the WHOOSHSHSHSH Pfffttttttt- WHOOSHSHSH Pftttttttt of an ASP RX-7 Turbo? Maybe the blatt of an unmuffled Neon is more to your liking? Wait'll you hear what Dennis Grant's SM DSM sounds like. Not the audible signal you might expect from a proper "car", but it does sound like it is turning fuel and air into lots of power. Works for me. To a gearhead's ear, internal combustion engines of all types can emit a tuned "musical" note, or sound decidedly off key. CP is a prime example class. So is BP. I'll happily pick up cones for anyone, as long as they are driving the course, not just destroying it, and the sound isn't loud enough to cause pain/hearing loss. I enjoy watching everyone drive, particularly if they do it well. Doesn't matter if it is a Crown Vic, a BSP C3, or a FJr. The driving is the thing, get it? Alan Sheidler F125 #121 >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:01:45 EDT >From: "Otto Crosser" >Subject: RE: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments >>Yes, I look forward to watch CP run, always good effort, and it sure as >>he-- >>beats watch F125 which I had to work last year. >> >What you don't like Nyeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee- >eeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeee- nyeeeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee- >eeeeeeeeeeeee- winnngg deeeee deeeee deeee deeee winggggggg winnnnggggg >winnnnngggggg eeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeee- Otto From autox-owner Mon Aug 28 23:22:13 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: "Scott Meyers" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:20:40 -0700 Subject: RE: Tuning Question - bad water temp sensor effect on performance Totally depends on the car, anything from "no difference" to "shuts the engine off" is possible. KeS > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Scott Meyers > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 19:18 > To: TEAM.NET > Subject: Tuning Question - bad water temp sensor effect on performance > > > A little break from the Nationals discussions........ > > I'm working on a "project car", one that will (hopefully) soon grace the > pylon jungle. I've just finished doing the timing belt, and with that > the water pump, cam seals, and all the hard to get to hoses and other > stuff therein. As long as you're there, right? > > I also decided to change the water temp sensor "just because" it was > old. In doing so I found serious corrosion on the two connectors, > leaving me to believe that it was sending either *no* signal or the > *default* message to the computer. > > The question - what effect on performance would a faulty water temp > sensor have on a car's performance in a Solo 2 setting? Oh - it's a > Nissan with factory multiport injection. :-) > > Thanks for any and all shared experiences. > > Scott Meyers > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 00:46:52 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:45:02 -0700 Subject: RE: Sounds. was: Work schedules, exchange, etc. I always learn so much from working course during the F125 class. I remember thinking during the SD Tour "Y'know, *that's* my problem, I'm just not taking that corner flat out in fourth gear!". KeS > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of PbPied@aol.com > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 22:19 > To: autox@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: Sounds. was: Work schedules, exchange, etc. > > > I get it... You prefer the > Waaaaaaaaaaaahh- Waaaaaaaaaaahh- Waaaaaaaaaaaahh- > Waaaaaaaaaaaahh- Waaaaahh- Waaaaaaaaaaaaahh- of the AM > and F440/500 cars, eh? > > Or perhaps the WHOOSHSHSHSH Pfffttttttt- WHOOSHSHSH > Pftttttttt of an ASP RX-7 Turbo? > > Maybe the blatt of an unmuffled Neon is more to your liking? > Wait'll you hear what Dennis Grant's SM DSM sounds like. > Not the audible signal you might expect from a proper "car", > but it does sound like it is turning fuel and air into lots of power. > Works for me. > > To a gearhead's ear, internal combustion engines of all types can > emit a tuned "musical" note, or sound decidedly off key. CP is > a prime example class. So is BP. > > I'll happily pick up cones for anyone, as long as they are driving the > course, not just destroying it, and the sound isn't loud enough to > cause pain/hearing loss. I enjoy watching everyone drive, particularly > if they do it well. Doesn't matter if it is a Crown Vic, a BSP C3, or a FJr. > The driving is the thing, get it? > > Alan Sheidler > F125 #121 > > > > >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:01:45 EDT > >From: "Otto Crosser" > >Subject: RE: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments > > >>Yes, I look forward to watch CP run, always good effort, and it sure as > >>he-- > >>beats watch F125 which I had to work last year. > >> > >What you don't like Nyeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee- > >eeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeee- nyeeeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee- > >eeeeeeeeeeeee- winnngg deeeee deeeee deeee deeee winggggggg winnnnggggg > >winnnnngggggg eeeeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeee- eeeeeeeeeee- > > Otto > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 07:14:24 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:12:48 -0400 Subject: Re: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) Twice $47.5 is $94k, right? >From a dealer last week. I removed/replaced some of the specifics. >>>Its HERE ! our customer decided he really needed an automatic so his wife could drive , so he is taking another coupe. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: Your Internet Inquiry > Dear Matt, I have a Z06 available , black with the modified torch red > interior, Its beautiful! if you are interested call asap. > Jillian > Internet sales > XXX-XXX-3757<<< Matt Murray mattm@optonline.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Stevens" Subject: RE: sorry, but ZO6 Vett again - sorry is right :-) > If you can go down to a Chevy dealer and buy a 2001 C5 coupe with the Z06 > option, I'll buy it from you for twice what you paid. > KeS From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 07:38:31 2000 From: Stan Whitney To: "TEAM.NET" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Tuning Question - bad water temp sensor effect on performance If it were very far off, you would have significant cold start troubles, mosts systems probably don't use water temp. for enrichment after about 70-80 degrees C. (about 180-200F), so once you reach that range, it would have minimal effect. Still, better safe than sorry... Stan --- Scott Meyers wrote: > A little break from the Nationals > discussions........ > > I'm working on a "project car", one that will > (hopefully) soon grace the > pylon jungle. I've just finished doing the timing > belt, and with that > the water pump, cam seals, and all the hard to get > to hoses and other > stuff therein. As long as you're there, right? > > I also decided to change the water temp sensor "just > because" it was > old. In doing so I found serious corrosion on the > two connectors, > leaving me to believe that it was sending either > *no* signal or the > *default* message to the computer. > > The question - what effect on performance would a > faulty water temp > sensor have on a car's performance in a Solo 2 > setting? Oh - it's a > Nissan with factory multiport injection. :-) > > Thanks for any and all shared experiences. > > Scott Meyers > > > > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 08:41:59 2000 From: "Mr. DSM" To: "'team.net'" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Topeka Weather On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:48:51 -0500, Mike Bultemeier wrote: > Thats about what it was yesterday at a local event here in Kansas City. It was > brutal > in the car. By the end of a run the sweat was dripping in your eyes so bad you > couldn't a thing. > > Mike(Don't worry by mid September, it could be snowing)B. 99cm > > Rick Cone wrote: > > > Topeka, holding true to its varied weather, showing a high of 108 today.... > > > > No problem with heat in the tires for today.... > > > > Rick Oh, don't you worry about the heat for the Nationals. I was just informed that we will have nice cool whether in low 60s for Tuesday and Wednesday with 65% chance of rain too on the second day! :) Fedja 95 AWD #34 ESP _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 09:50:51 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: "team.net" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:53:04 -0400 Subject: Perry Spams - Sorted by Lack of Interest Wouldn't it make a bit more sense to post this stuff to a web page and let the list know the URL instead of spamming everybody on the list with this stuff?!? Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 10:18:04 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:18:23 -0400 Subject: List Spam solution Simple solution for Team.net spam.... Go to Christoc.com Racing Forums http://www.christoc.com/forums You can have your own region's message board, perfect for posting information and results, all for free! That way when people want to know info about your region they can go there, and not waste email on team.net... Chris -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 10:22:26 2000 From: "Darren P. Madams" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:17:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Paging Peavey guitar winners Great, it's the Patty Tunnell one woman show!!! hehe :) Can we watch her try to play three guitars at once??? :) --Darren From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 10:25:58 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:23:32 EDT Subject: Fwd: peru directions-help... --part1_5b.aadcf41.26dd3d84_boundary In a message dated 8/29/00 9:22:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Jkinser77 writes: << I have lost the file for replaying on this for the people going to Peru...someone had some awesome directions and if they could replay them on here for everyone I would be most appreciated.. Thanks- Jean Kinser >> --part1_5b.aadcf41.26dd3d84_boundary Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Jkinser77@aol.com Full-name: Jkinser77 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:22:44 EDT Subject: peru directions-help... To: autox@autox.yeam.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 I have lost the file for replaying on this for the people going to Peru...someone had some awesome directions and if they could replay them on here for everyone I would be most appreciated.. Thanks- Jean Kinser --part1_5b.aadcf41.26dd3d84_boundary-- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 10:44:26 2000 From: Karl Witt To: "Christopher Hammond" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:41:15 -0400 Subject: Re: List Spam solution speaking of spam...yours is getting really old. Pease cease and desist. We all know where it is now, if we want to go there, we will. Your posts have been pure unadulterated spam with NO useful content Karl At 12:18 PM 8/29/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Simple solution for Team.net spam.... > > >Go to Christoc.com Racing Forums >http://www.christoc.com/forums >You can have your own region's message board, perfect for posting >information and results, all for free! That way when people want to know >info about your region they can go there, and not waste email on team.net... > > >Chris > >-- >Christopher Hammond >http://www.christoc.com >-- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 10:58:48 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: Christopher Hammond Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:56:19 -0400 Subject: Re: List Spam solution Christopher Hammond wrote: > Simple solution for Team.net spam.... > > Go to Christoc.com Racing Forums Chris, your advertisements amount to spam too. Enough is enough. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 11:23:44 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:24:10 -0500 Subject: RE: List Spam solution I know this one will get me flamed.... If you don't have any interest in a subject, then try the delete key. There are many advertisements on this list that are unsolicited, and I just ignore them. Alot of our signatures include ads or commercial links, and if you aren't interested in that particular item, don't go to that site or buy from that vendor. This is a fine line, but if the list is going to be advertisement free, then it should be entirely spam free. No posts for commercial ventures, no ads in signature lines, etc. I also know that this list is privately owned. Being so, the owner can allow or disallow whatever they choose. Just some thoughts.... Dave (No signature line on this one!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Witt" To: "Christopher Hammond" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: Re: List Spam solution > speaking of spam...yours is getting really old. Pease cease and desist. We > all know where it is now, if we want to go there, we will. Your posts have > been pure unadulterated spam with NO useful content > > Karl > > At 12:18 PM 8/29/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >Simple solution for Team.net spam.... > > > > > >Go to Christoc.com Racing Forums > >http://www.christoc.com/forums > >You can have your own region's message board, perfect for posting > >information and results, all for free! That way when people want to know > >info about your region they can go there, and not waste email on team.net... > > > > > >Chris > > > >-- > >Christopher Hammond > >http://www.christoc.com > >-- > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 11:26:44 2000 From: Alan Pozner To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:23:27 -0400 Subject: Re: List Spam solution Mark wrote: >>Chris, your advertisements amount to spam too. Enough is enough. >> >>Mark Mark, Don't you see? From Chris' point of view only messages that don't interest him are spam. His messages are of vital importance to everyone ;-) Regards, Alan Freedom of speech is a more valuable right than to bear arms! (apologies to Mr. Linhoff) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 11:40:30 2000 From: Karl Witt To: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:36:18 -0400 Subject: RE: List Spam solution Notice the KEY PHRASE in my original post "NO useful content". If he ever had anything to say that was anything more than "Go to my website so i can make a buck off your click-throughs" I probably wouldn't have sent this. Find some shades of grey in your black and white world and realize there's a difference between his spamming of the list and list members posting their personal stuff for sale on a non-ongoing basis and/or having a comercial link in their sig. karl At 12:24 PM 8/29/2000 -0500, Dave Whitworth wrote: >I know this one will get me flamed.... > >If you don't have any interest in a subject, then try the delete key. There >are many advertisements on this list that are unsolicited, and I just ignore >them. Alot of our signatures include ads or commercial links, and if you >aren't interested in that particular item, don't go to that site or buy from >that vendor. > >This is a fine line, but if the list is going to be advertisement free, then >it should be entirely spam free. No posts for commercial ventures, no ads >in signature lines, etc. > >I also know that this list is privately owned. Being so, the owner can >allow or disallow whatever they choose. > >Just some thoughts.... > > >Dave > >(No signature line on this one!) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karl Witt" >To: "Christopher Hammond" >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 11:41 AM >Subject: Re: List Spam solution > > > > speaking of spam...yours is getting really old. Pease cease and desist. We > > all know where it is now, if we want to go there, we will. Your posts have > > been pure unadulterated spam with NO useful content > > > > Karl > > > > At 12:18 PM 8/29/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > >Simple solution for Team.net spam.... > > > > > > > > >Go to Christoc.com Racing Forums > > >http://www.christoc.com/forums > > >You can have your own region's message board, perfect for posting > > >information and results, all for free! That way when people want to >know > > >info about your region they can go there, and not waste email on >team.net... > > > > > > > > >Chris > > > > > >-- > > >Christopher Hammond > > >http://www.christoc.com > > >-- > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 11:52:14 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:52:25 -0400 Subject: RE: List Spam solution AutoXers "Go to my website so i can make a buck off your click-throughs".... hmmm... well considering I have spent only my money on this, and have not received a dime in any advertising money I would have to say that I am not bucking off any click throughs. There is a place for banner ads on my site, but the only two on there are one for my web design business, and one for a company a good friend of mine owns, both not paying for any advertising at the moment. What I have done is seen a need for something then tried to create a useful solution. All in my spare time, with a budget out of my own pocket. Definitions below---------- Christoc.com: that's my web design business, and how much money do I make off that a year? not a dime. Christoc.com Racing: a catchy name for my slow Golf 3. Christoc.com Racing Forums: A side project to fill a need which I thought I saw. obviously I may have been wrong there. As to your phrase no usefull content, well I deem my site useful for those people who want to have a common place for information and that is why I sent out the message, so that people from Perry, or anywhere else, can post there information. Notice, no use of links in this email, I wouldn't want to offend anyone. "Spam spam spam, all day long, spam spam spam while I sing this song." From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 12:22:17 2000 From: "alex cilli" To: christoc@mail.christoc.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:19:37 GMT Subject: RE: List Spam solution I wouldn't go to it just because your being a pain in the A## about it it. Give it a rest and us too! >From: "Christopher Hammond" >Reply-To: "Christopher Hammond" >To: >Subject: RE: List Spam solution >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:52:25 -0400 > >AutoXers > >"Go to my website so i can make a buck off your click-throughs".... hmmm... >well considering I have spent only my money on this, and have not received >a dime in any advertising money I would have to say that I am not bucking >off any click throughs. There is a place for banner ads on my site, but >the only two on there are one for my web design business, and one for a >company a good friend of mine owns, both not paying for any advertising at >the moment. > >What I have done is seen a need for something then tried to create a useful >solution. All in my spare time, with a budget out of my own pocket. > >Definitions below---------- > >Christoc.com: that's my web design business, and how much money do I make >off that a year? not a dime. > >Christoc.com Racing: a catchy name for my slow Golf 3. > >Christoc.com Racing Forums: A side project to fill a need which I thought >I saw. obviously I may have been wrong there. > >As to your phrase no usefull content, well I deem my site useful for those >people who want to have a common place for information and that is why I >sent out the message, so that people from Perry, or anywhere else, can post >there information. > >Notice, no use of links in this email, I wouldn't want to offend anyone. > >"Spam spam spam, all day long, spam spam spam while I sing this song." > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 12:25:47 2000 From: "alex cilli" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:23:18 GMT Subject: Re: Spam Solution Block sender, thank you! A simple solution! _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 12:26:33 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:26:41 -0400 Subject: apoligyRE: List Spam solution AutoXer's, Thank you for all the good comments, as well as bad. I will take them all into account. If I am being I pain in the ass, I apologize for being like half the people on Team.net, I will try to be more like the other half. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "alex cilli" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:19:37 GMT I wouldn't go to it just because your being a pain in the A## about it it. Give it a rest and us too! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 12:54:15 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: Alan Pozner Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:44:15 -0500 Subject: Re: List Spam solution You can apologize me too while your at it. We have been over this off topic argument several times now. You still don't get. Mike B. 99cm Alan Pozner wrote: > > Regards, > Alan > > Freedom of speech is a more valuable right than to bear arms! (apologies to > Mr. Linhoff) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 13:51:46 2000 From: "Alex Dresko" To: "'Mike Bultemeier'" , Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:47:12 -0400 Subject: RE: List Spam solution Damn, you're all a bunch of cry babies. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Mike Bultemeier > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 2:44 PM > To: Alan Pozner > Cc: 'autox@autox.team.net'; 'msirota@isc.upenn.edu'; > 'christoc@mail.christoc.com' > Subject: Re: List Spam solution > > > You can apologize me too while your at it. We have been over > this off topic > argument several times now. You still don't get. > > Mike B. 99cm > > Alan Pozner wrote: > > > > > Regards, > > Alan > > > > Freedom of speech is a more valuable right than to bear > arms! (apologies to > > Mr. Linhoff) > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 16:30:11 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: pfoster@gdi.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:27:13 EDT Subject: Re: Perry Spams - Sorted by Lack of Interest If the Perry autox subject is considered spam on Team.net, where does that leave your delusional, nitwit commentary? 'Inquiring minds want to know.... mAs pfoster@gdi.net (Nitwit) writes: << Wouldn't it make a bit more sense to post this stuff to a web page and let the list know the URL instead of spamming everybody on the list with this stuff?!? >> From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 16:37:10 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: , Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:37:19 -0400 Subject: Re: need help, SPAM subject you forgot to send this on to the list smarty now who's tweedle dumb....? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: TeamZ3@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:33:14 EDT Can somebody help me out, I can't seem to figure out which one is TweedleDee and which one is TweedleDumb..... but then I'm so easily confused: christoc@mail.christoc.com and pfoster@gdi.net TIA, mAs From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 16:37:58 2000 From: "Paul Foster" To: , Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:34:56 -0400 Subject: RE: Perry Spams - Sorted by Lack of Interest <<>> If we get 6 emails from every event that is held then you won't even see my messages... Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 17:49:20 2000 From: "Paul Zahornasky" To: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:46:53 -0400 Subject: RE: Perry Spams - Sorted by Lack of Interest And thus the silver lining. 8-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Paul Foster Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 6:35 PM To: TeamZ3@aol.com; autox@autox.team.net Subject: RE: Perry Spams - Sorted by Lack of Interest <<>> If we get 6 emails from every event that is held then you won't even see my messages... Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 17:55:13 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: witt@mediaone.net, christoc@mail.christoc.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:52:28 EDT Subject: Re: List Spam solution In a message dated 8/29/00 9:45:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, witt@mediaone.net writes: << speaking of spam...yours is getting really old. Pease cease and desist. We all know where it is now, if we want to go there, we will. Your posts have been pure unadulterated spam with NO useful content Karl >> Yeah his spam maybe getting old? I don't see his spam as any different than the spam of Jean Kinser for the Evolution School?? She hits the list with it almost daily with some new news or comment. Whats the difference, other than who this guy is, or isn't????? Mike(Let the flaming begin)B. 99cm TLS#1 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 18:35:38 2000 From: "Dave Whitworth" To: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:36:44 -0500 Subject: Fw: List Spam solution >From Mike B > > Yeah his spam maybe getting old? I don't see his spam as any different than > the spam of Jean Kinser for the Evolution School?? She hits the list with it > almost daily > with some new news or comment. Whats the difference, other than who this guy > is, > or isn't????? > > Mike(Let the flaming begin)B. 99cm TLS#1 > Mike saved me the time of typing these exact words. So send 1/2 the flames my way! Dave W From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 18:38:05 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: Hottvr@aol.com, witt@mediaone.net, christoc@mail.christoc.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:35:10 EDT Subject: Re: List Spam solution In a message dated 8/29/00 4:56:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Hottvr@aol.com writes: << Yeah his spam maybe getting old? I don't see his spam as any different than the spam of Jean Kinser for the Evolution School?? She hits the list with it almost daily with some new news or comment. Whats the difference, other than who this guy is, or isn't????? >> Sorry that some people think my answering questions I get for my business, which is directly related to this list and where the questions mainly come from, may offend people and think it's spam...that is what I thought the delete button was for. Now, if I was strictly posting opinions about subjects instead of my business-lifeline , and information for public knowledge to save me many more e-mails a day, then I would take offense to this comment... Jean From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 18:54:40 2000 From: washburn To: Jeff Cashmore Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:49:57 -0500 Subject: Re: BFG R1's? Jeff Cashmore wrote: > > Apparently the G-Forces in my size are backordered. Does anyone have > two old R1's (225/50-14) they want to sell? "Give me your tired, your > poor..." > > Jeff Cashmore Did you finally deplete the final priceless supply of the old wonder tires? PLW From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 21:36:43 2000 From: "David Shreve" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:29:34 EDT Subject: Success!! The trailer is done! Another question... First off, thanks to all who supplied advice. I really all of your input. I finally finished the trailer. After working on it off and on for 4 days, it is finally finished. Using $350 and some Kentucky engineering(I was born and raised in Kentucky, so I can say that), I was able to build a trailer to haul two sets of mounted race tires(big Camaro tires), two mountain bikes, and enough tools and spare parts to support the operation. I can take some pics and e-mail them out if anyone else needs some ideas. I haven't gotten it out on the road yet. That will happen tomorrow evening., but I did hook it up to the car to try out the lights. I noticed that the turn signals flash alot faster with the trailer lights connected. Anyone else ever seen that happen? Should I be worried about burning up my flasher? Should I just drive like (insert favorite idiot driver group here) and not use my turn signals? -dave _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 22:18:07 2000 From: PbPied@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net, ls1_1le@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:15:55 EDT Subject: RE: Success!! The trailer is done! Another question... Dave, The flasher units are simple things, designed to work based on set wattage use.... Add another couple of lights, more wiring, and they are not up to the job. There is a solution. Get an electronic one at your parts store. They have cool tinted plastic covers so you can see the little electronic circuit inside. Then it won't matter whether the trailer is hooked up or not, the blink rate is held constant by the circuitry. Seems to me they cost $5 or 6, but I forget. I have used the same one in my AstroVan for at least 5 years... Alan Sheidler Original Message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:29:34 EDT From: "David Shreve" Subject: Success!! The trailer is done! Another question... First off, thanks to all who supplied advice. I really all of your input. I finally finished the trailer. After working on it off and on for 4 days, it is finally finished. Using $350 and some Kentucky engineering(I was born and raised in Kentucky, so I can say that), I was able to build a trailer to haul two sets of mounted race tires(big Camaro tires), two mountain bikes, and enough tools and spare parts to support the operation. I can take some pics and e-mail them out if anyone else needs some ideas. I haven't gotten it out on the road yet. That will happen tomorrow evening., but I did hook it up to the car to try out the lights. I noticed that the turn signals flash alot faster with the trailer lights connected. Anyone else ever seen that happen? Should I be worried about burning up my flasher? Should I just drive like (insert favorite idiot driver group here) and not use my turn signals? - -dave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From autox-owner@autox.team.net Tue Aug 29 23:40:43 2000 From: "Eric Linnhoff" To: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:30:28 -0500 Subject: Re: List Spam solution SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM MEAT SUBSTITUTE SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM There, now I feel better. :^P Get a life and learn to use the delete key folks. It ain't that hard. And if it is, relinquish your computer now because you're too damn stupid to own it. Geez, shouldn't all the bitchers be prepping their cars for Nationals or something else more useful? I'll call you stupid to your face too, I'm not shy or two-faced about anything. I callz 'em as I seez 'em. Don't take this personally, unless you must. Eric Linnhoff in KC #69DS TLS #13 '98 Neon R/T "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other animals....except weasels." Homer Simpson From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 04:15:01 2000 From: JVHT@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net (Autocross List) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:12:52 EDT Subject: Florida's Nationals Warmup this weekend!!! Just a reminder that on September 2 & 3 Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd will be having two full days of nothing but concrete track time for only $25.00 (hot lunch included)! Time sheets will be posted every half hour besides track announcing and online PC at registration. Saturday will be our regular Test&Tune track for our regulars to bench test their cars and Sunday will be a "Nationals like" course set up by our resident Nationals veteran Danny Shields. The $25.00 will be for both days, no partial fee for one because of the short notice and possible low turnout. As of now only 30 drivers have contacted Dave. Let's see... how many runs can I make with only 30 drivers, stopping only for lunch, only 3 course working positions and TWO FULL DAYS! For more info check out: http://www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com See you here! John Taylor Webmaster@ Gulfcoast Autocrossers Ltd. Website From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 04:19:52 2000 From: NeonACR1@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:18:05 EDT Subject: Re: ax-digest V1 #258 I personally like the raw power sound of Karl Witt's #71 Street Mod Camaro. THose Mufflex exhausts sound soooooo good with the LS1! Ed "anyone want to buy an ACR" R In a message dated 8/29/00 11:37:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-ax-digest@autox.team.net writes: << Maybe the blatt of an unmuffled Neon is more to your liking? Wait'll you hear what Dennis Grant's SM DSM sounds like. Not the audible signal you might expect from a proper "car", but it does sound like it is turning fuel and air into lots of power. Works for me. >> From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 05:18:39 2000 From: "Su Brude" To: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:24:27 -0500 Subject: No Autox Content - Cruise Control problems on 95 Corvette As I was leaving town on Friday I found that my cruise control on my C4 had suddenly stopped working. Well, I don't know if it was sudden or not, since the last time I used it, the 1st weekend in Aug, it work fine & now it wasn't. I check the fuse but beyond that I don't know what to look at. I would appreciate any guidance on what to look for, or the questions I should ask, when I take it into the dealership. I hope to take care of it before the long trip to Topeka in less than 2 weeks. Please respond directly since I am on the digest & I have not found using the cruise control during a run helps my times at all :) Su Brude sbrude@email.msn.com Formally #93 SS - '93 RX-7 (Still for sale anyone, anyone .....Last week for a Nationals delivery) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 05:44:18 2000 From: Popsracr@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:42:30 EDT Subject: No BFG Contingency No surprise to most folks. BFG told me (Renee) that there is no contingency or support truck for Nationals because they do not feel that they have the best product available at this time. There are efforts being made to improve the tire compound. Jim From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 06:44:45 2000 From: "Brandon C. Fetch" To: ls1_1le@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 7:44:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Success!! The trailer is done! Another question... As I'm sure others may have written, what happens is your flasher is rated to flash only so many bulbs so bright. If you add more bulbs (trailer lights, other signal lights, etc...) the faster/dimmer your bulbs flash. Check your local parts house and ask about a higher rated flasher cube for your Camaro which should fix the problem if you're concered. Congrats on the trailer completion! Brandon 86DS '99 Neon R/T ls1_1le@hotmail.com on 08/29/2000 10:39:25 PM Please respond to ls1_1le@hotmail.com@Internet To: autox@autox.team.net@Internet cc: Subject: Success!! The trailer is done! Another question... First off, thanks to all who supplied advice. I really all of your input. I finally finished the trailer. After working on it off and on for 4 days, it is finally finished. Using $350 and some Kentucky engineering(I was born and raised in Kentucky, so I can say that), I was able to build a trailer to haul two sets of mounted race tires(big Camaro tires), two mountain bikes, and enough tools and spare parts to support the operation. I can take some pics and e-mail them out if anyone else needs some ideas. I haven't gotten it out on the road yet. That will happen tomorrow evening., but I did hook it up to the car to try out the lights. I noticed that the turn signals flash alot faster with the trailer lights connected. Anyone else ever seen that happen? Should I be worried about burning up my flasher? Should I just drive like (insert favorite idiot driver group here) and not use my turn signals? -dave _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ******************************************************************************* Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP ******************************************************************************* From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 06:54:38 2000 From: "Arthur Emerson" To: eric10mm@qni.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:52:40 GMT Subject: Re: List Spam solution "Eric Linnhoff" wrote: > >Get a life and learn to use the delete key folks. The proper solution to the problem is not pressing the SEND key in the first place. As a former member of the secret organization that runs the Internet, I will add my $0.02 and say that Mr. Hammond's posts don't meet the cabal's (TINC) strict definition of spam. It's just bad net.etiquette, and poor judgement. Had his posts actually have met the spam standards, the fiber-optic-eating backhoes would have been dispatched to Interland's Atlanta offices, where they would have taken christoc.com "off the air" forever. I'm inclined to think that Mr. Hammond is just an excited novice, and is trying to give something back to the sport that he just discovered. If this is true, I'm sure that his efforts would be more appreciated in dragging the cones out to his local club's site. Team.Net isn't broken. >I'll call you stupid to your face too, I'm not shy or two-faced about >anything. I callz 'em as I seez 'em. With an attitude like that, it's a wonder that somebody hasn't pushed YOUR delete button a long time ago..... :-) -Arthur ("Retired dispatcher of the black helicopters" edition.) _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 07:09:17 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: autox mailing list Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: List Spam solution Howdy, On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 Hottvr@aol.com wrote: > Yeah his spam maybe getting old? I don't see his spam as any different than > the spam of Jean Kinser for the Evolution School?? She hits the list with it > almost daily > with some new news or comment. Whats the difference, other than who this guy > is, > or isn't????? First, check out the "new news or comment" part of your message. Second, I don't find it all that much different at all. Both annoy me at times. Both are on the web where _I_ can got get the info if I want it, so quit freaking sending me ads when I don't want 'em. Third, like most people, I delete the damn messages without bothering to complain about it. If eventually there are too many, I'll unsubscribe, again without complaining. Personally I think we're better off with some folks that are willing to speak up about this sorta stuff, but I'm not willing to invest the effort it takes. Fourth, I've actually met Jean and as unfair as that may be, it DOES make a difference in that I'm more willing to put up with semi-annoying stuff from her than from some random guy that decided team.net sucked and built his own world, but then kept reading team.net anyway, poking little jibes at something I enjoy. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 07:37:57 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: "David Shreve" , Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:24:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Success!! The trailer is done! Another question... Dave, you need to purchase a heavy duty flasher unit.... Phil O. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Shreve" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 11:29 PM Subject: Success!! The trailer is done! Another question... > First off, thanks to all who supplied advice. I really all of your input. > > I finally finished the trailer. After working on it off and on for 4 days, > it is finally finished. Using $350 and some Kentucky engineering(I was born > and raised in Kentucky, so I can say that), I was able to build a trailer to > haul two sets of mounted race tires(big Camaro tires), two mountain bikes, > and enough tools and spare parts to support the operation. I can take some > pics and e-mail them out if anyone else needs some ideas. > > I haven't gotten it out on the road yet. That will happen tomorrow > evening., but I did hook it up to the car to try out the lights. I noticed > that the turn signals flash alot faster with the trailer lights connected. > Anyone else ever seen that happen? Should I be worried about burning up my > flasher? Should I just drive like (insert favorite idiot driver group here) > and not use my turn signals? > > -dave > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 07:38:20 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:35:10 -0400 Subject: RE: Sounds. PbPied@aol.com wrote: > Wait'll you hear what Dennis Grant's SM DSM sounds like. > Not the audible signal you might expect from a proper "car", > but it does sound like it is turning fuel and air into lots of power. If you can't be fast, be pretty. If you can't be pretty, be loud. DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 07:42:14 2000 From: "BILLINGS,MIKE (HP-Boise,ex1)" To: "Autox (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:40:15 -0600 Subject: Nationals Warm-up I registered "late" for the Sunday Nationals Warm-up in Topeka and apparently missed the deadline. Does anyone, who made the deadline, want to sell/give up his/her spot as I'd like to attend. Email me privately... thanks, Mike From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 07:42:28 2000 From: "Larry Steckel" To: eric10mm@qni.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:40:30 EDT Subject: Re: List Spam solution Would you like some eggs with that Spam? Blame Monty Python! >From: "Eric Linnhoff" >Reply-To: "Eric Linnhoff" >To: >Subject: Re: List Spam solution >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:30:28 -0500 > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM MEAT >SUBSTITUTE SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >There, now I feel better. :^P > >Get a life and learn to use the delete key folks. It ain't that hard. And >if it is, relinquish your computer now because you're too damn stupid to >own >it. Geez, shouldn't all the bitchers be prepping their cars for Nationals >or something else more useful? > >I'll call you stupid to your face too, I'm not shy or two-faced about >anything. I callz 'em as I seez 'em. Don't take this personally, unless >you must. > >Eric Linnhoff in KC >#69DS TLS #13 >'98 Neon R/T > > >"Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us >from the other animals....except weasels." >Homer Simpson > > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 07:44:36 2000 From: "Brad Snakenberg" To: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:42:22 -0400 Subject: Classing Question - 99 Mustang Cobra A friend is going to start autocrossing his stock 99 Mustang Cobra. The lists I've checked show him to be in FS with all V8 Mustangs, but it seems that other Cobras are racing in ESP (which would seem logical to me). Where does he belong, and if it is in ESP, where would I find it listed? Thanks! Brad Snakenberg 92 Miata CS - newly acquired bsnake@usa.net From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 07:59:28 2000 From: "Christopher Hammond" To: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:00:14 -0400 Subject: The Truth about email..... So let the truth be known.... True, I am a novice to autocross, been participating since april. I would like to think my efforts with my local club are above par with a lot of other novice's. I have been working with members of the board since I started in April and am one of the clubs few training computer timing operators. I am also running for a member at large position, and have been to 3 of 5 club meetings since I joined the SCCA. I spend a lot of time providing pictures for people, if you were at the Peru nationals you may have received your own. I take pictures scan them in, and then give the originals to the drivers, no charge. I will be at nationals this year with my slow golf and all. I know I stand not a chance at winning STS, or even coming close, but I am going for the experience, and to meet the people! I am sure there will be quite a few people upset at me by my actions over team.net, to this I apologize. If you still hate me feel free to tell me at Topeka. I am sorry if it came across that I think team.net is broken, I do not think that. My view is that it is just inefficient... no offense to anyone, as commented I still read it every day. To everyone, have a good labor day weekend, get some seat time in. Chris "Overly Eager Neophyte" "I'm inclined to think that Mr. Hammond is just an excited novice, and is trying to give something back to the sport that he just discovered. If this is true, I'm sure that his efforts would be more appreciated in dragging the cones out to his local club's site. Team.Net isn't broken." -- Christopher Hammond http://www.christoc.com -- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 08:10:19 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: Larry Steckel Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:00:54 -0500 Subject: Re: List Spam solution He's(KnuckleDragger) been a little on edge the last few weeks. I'm pretty sure its 100 degree plus weather we have been having here. The KnuckleDragger just needs a good long Ice age and he will be back good as new. Mike B. Larry Steckel wrote: > Would you like some eggs with that Spam? > > Blame Monty Python! > > >From: "Eric Linnhoff" > >Reply-To: "Eric Linnhoff" > >To: > >Subject: Re: List Spam solution > >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:30:28 -0500 > > > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM MEAT > >SUBSTITUTE SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > > > >There, now I feel better. :^P > > > >Get a life and learn to use the delete key folks. It ain't that hard. And > >if it is, relinquish your computer now because you're too damn stupid to > >own > >it. Geez, shouldn't all the bitchers be prepping their cars for Nationals > >or something else more useful? > > > >I'll call you stupid to your face too, I'm not shy or two-faced about > >anything. I callz 'em as I seez 'em. Don't take this personally, unless > >you must. > > > >Eric Linnhoff in KC > >#69DS TLS #13 > >'98 Neon R/T > > > > > >"Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us > >from the other animals....except weasels." > >Homer Simpson > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 08:15:39 2000 From: Alan Pozner To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:13:15 -0400 Subject: WAS -The Truth about email..... NOW The road to hell is paved wit Chris wrote (in part): >>I am sorry if it came across that I think team.net is broken, I do not think that. My view is that it is just inefficient... no offense to anyone, as commented I still read it every day.<< Chris, Not only is team.net inefficient, it's members are often outspoken beyond the point of rudeness. There's name calling. Feelings are often hurt. Reputations are sometimes shattered. False accusations and unreliable information abound. In short, it's just like real life. I believe your intentions in creating your list were noble and unselfish. It's a shame that you were abused on team.net for them but that's life as well. Try not to take any of this too seriously. It's an amatuer sport. If some of it is not fun then avoid it. Regards, Alan From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 08:20:08 2000 From: "Brad Cox" To: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:17:52 -0500 Subject: Re: List Spam solution >>The KnuckleDragger just needs a good long Ice age and he will be back good as new.<< Funny, but it seems like his attitude is much more "evolved" than many on this list. Talk about a bunch of people in desperate need of a chill pill! -brad (this is an 'observation spam') From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 08:21:15 2000 From: david.pearson@gm.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:18:56 -0400 Subject: Tire shaving Does anyone know if there is anywhere in the Detroit area (without traveling to Tire Rack in South Bend) to get a pair of tires, that I already have, shaved? Or, will the BFG truck be at Topeka with their shaving machine? I know that the G-forces supposedly do not need shaving. Please reply directly, I am on the Digest. TIA, David Pearson 1991 (tired) Saturn SC #77 ES From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 08:50:59 2000 From: Paul Foster To: "team.net" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:47:40 -0400 Subject: Spam: The original mystery meat I guess I should have known better than to comment about netiquette to this audience. But I do think there can be a reasonable compromise that would benefit everybody. Perhaps NAP (or GRM?) would consider the possibility of hosting a results web site. Perhaps opinionated assholes, like myself and Mark Sipe, could contribute to to setting one up? Whatsay? Paul Foster From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 09:16:14 2000 From: jon e prevo To: eric10mm@qni.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:10:17 -0500 Subject: Re: List Spam solution Sorry, guys, but I'm going to have to side with the man with the guns. I can't believe I have read 60 posts over three days of people whining about unnecessary posts. If Jean Kinser's advertisements or event results or ESP piss you off so bad you can't stand it then you are on the wrong list. I swear, some of you remind me of my kids, starting stupid fights over stupid issues. Jon FP 73 I live in Texas. Flames will never hurt me after this summer. On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:30:28 -0500 "Eric Linnhoff" writes: > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > SPAM > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > MEAT > SUBSTITUTE SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM > SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > > There, now I feel better. :^P > > Get a life and learn to use the delete key folks. It ain't that > hard. And > if it is, relinquish your computer now because you're too damn > stupid to own > it. Geez, shouldn't all the bitchers be prepping their cars for > Nationals > or something else more useful? > > I'll call you stupid to your face too, I'm not shy or two-faced > about > anything. I callz 'em as I seez 'em. Don't take this personally, > unless > you must. > > Eric Linnhoff in KC > #69DS TLS #13 > '98 Neon R/T > > > "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us > from the other animals....except weasels." > Homer Simpson > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 09:25:27 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: AlanP@identicard.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:23:15 EDT Subject: Re: WAS -The Truth about email..... NOW The road to hell is paved wit h good ... In a message dated 8/30/00 7:18:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, AlanP@identicard.com writes: << >>I am sorry if it came across that I think team.net is broken, I do not think that. My view is that it is just inefficient... no offense to anyone, as commented I still read it every day.<< Chris, Not only is team.net inefficient, it's members are often outspoken beyond the point of rudeness. There's name calling. Feelings are often hurt. Reputations are sometimes shattered. False accusations and unreliable information abound. In short, it's just like real life. I believe your intentions in creating your list were noble and unselfish. It's a shame that you were abused on team.net for them but that's life as well. Try not to take any of this too seriously. It's an amatuer sport. If some of it is not fun then avoid it. >> This is exactly why so many of the most influential people who used to be on this list, have taken themselves or choose no longer to read or reply. It's a shame. These are/were people that this list needs desperately to get the knowledge, experience, help, opinions, talent, enthusiasm that this sport has grown on. People are so quick to jump on these people for their good intentions. I completely understand why they have gotten off this or chose not to reply anymore. Jean From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 09:32:38 2000 From: jon e prevo To: justjoe@onramp.net, sbrude@email.msn.com, rfranzoni@yahoo.com, Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:26:03 -0500 Subject: Friday night dinner Hi, all! We will be meeting with Erik Friday evening at the Spaghetti Warehouse on Hwy 183 in Bedford, at 7:30. Reservations will be in the name of Otto Crosser (hee hee hee). See you there. Jon From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 09:32:40 2000 From: Scot Zediker To: "Larry Steckel" , eric10mm@qni.com, Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: List Spam solution You can't have eggs, bacon, spam and sausage without the spam! Scot ------Original Message------ From: "Larry Steckel" To: eric10mm@qni.com, autox@autox.team.net Sent: August 30, 2000 1:40:30 PM GMT Subject: Re: List Spam solution Would you like some eggs with that Spam? Blame Monty Python! >From: "Eric Linnhoff" >Reply-To: "Eric Linnhoff" >To: >Subject: Re: List Spam solution >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:30:28 -0500 > >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM MEAT >SUBSTITUTE SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM >SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM > >There, now I feel better. :^P > >Get a life and learn to use the delete key folks. It ain't that hard. And >if it is, relinquish your computer now because you're too damn stupid to >own >it. Geez, shouldn't all the bitchers be prepping their cars for Nationals >or something else more useful? > >I'll call you stupid to your face too, I'm not shy or two-faced about >anything. I callz 'em as I seez 'em. Don't take this personally, unless >you must. > >Eric Linnhoff in KC >#69DS TLS #13 >'98 Neon R/T > > >"Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us >from the other animals....except weasels." >Homer Simpson > > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 09:37:50 2000 From: Ron Dillman To: "autox@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:38:33 -0500 Subject: Other tires available; 2 225/50/15 BFG R1's with very little use 2 225/50/15 BFG R1's that have been used, but are still good to go 2 265/50/15 BFG R1's with moderate usage 4 245/50/15 G Force never used, never mounted From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 09:45:16 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:42:58 EDT Subject: Evolution's involvement in spam and why For all of those people who are tired of my endless posts to advertise what I am doing for Nationals-the Peru Warm Up, the Seminar and the Dallas Warm Up....I think it's important for you to know exactly what my involvement is. The school has taken on wanting to give something back to the people who have suppported us, we want to produce winners and trophy winners, but yet recognized ther efforts of the others who are working their butts off to improve. All the stuff I am doing, yes I am charging for as I have to get some money back in return BUT let me tell you, when this is all done and said with rentals, costs for instructors, prizes, awards, snacks, lunches, this will end up costing me almost $2,000 up and beyond what I will get in return from the people and my sponsors...So, I feel I have done nothing wrong in trying to get as much back for what I am giving into the sport this year. To keep people informed of new and changes happening with the school and what we are doing is a service to this sport and the people in it...if you are not interested-then hit delete...I am not in this business to get rich off of, take advantage of people...My love of this sport and the people is what is the driving force behind my intentions of doing all this. I don't know of many people willing to give out that kind of money to help other people try and win. This is something I am excited about and proud of and hope to be an annual event in all parts of the country each year in August to help people achieve their goals and gain that self improvement. Helping the people in this sport, watching them improve is what me, the school and the instructors are all about. And I will promote it as much as I can and feel it neccessary. Jean Kinser Owner, Co-Founder Evolution Performance Driving School-McKamey Autocross Division From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 09:44:53 2000 From: "Jay Mitchell" To: "Scot Zediker" , Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:42:28 -0500 Subject: Re: List Spam solution > You can't have eggs, bacon, spam and sausage without the spam! I DON'T LIKE SPAM!!! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 09:49:02 2000 From: jon e prevo To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:41:49 -0500 Subject: Evolution Tuneup Hi, everyone! I just want to tell you about an unbelievable opportunity some of us here in Texas have this weekend. We are having a __private__ Evolution tutorial/tuneup day, provided at my request by Jean Kinser. There will be seven of us, instructed on the finer points of autocross by the amazing Dr. Erik Strelnieks (defending SS national champion). Several of us in the Texas Region who will be attending Nationals and who have a legitimate shot at trophy finishes along with myself and another who won't be there but are serious about our performance, will have one extra chance to improve and take an additional edge into battle in Topeka. My purpose for this post is that Jean has mentioned this is the type of situation she would like to develope in several locations around the country for next year and maybe make these private "mini-schools" an integral part of her program in the future. If you are green with envy (as I would be if I were not involved) now is the time to contact Jean about arranging a pre-nationals tuneup for yourself and an intimate group of friends for next year. Remember, Evolution is one of this country's most valuable natural resources, but there is a limited supply. There will not be enough for everyone and when it is gone you will be out of luck. Get your request in early! Jon FP 73 TCB Racing Datsun 260Z TLS #73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 09:54:01 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: tcbracer@juno.com, justjoe@onramp.net, sbrude@email.msn.com, Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:51:08 EDT Subject: Re: Friday night dinner I wish I could be there...but I will be having my big one up in Peru. Please let me know how this works for all of you-it is the foot in the door, the ground floor to what I hope to become an annual thing in all parts of the country for Nationals... Have a good time, improve as I want to have more things to give for Nationals...a flyer for Nats will be in your registration packet..please take the time to fill out and send back. Also, any advertisement you can do after this in a postivie way will be appreciated. Don't miss our seminar at Nationals Monday night 6-8 at the Capitol Plaza hotel. $5 cover to help costs but it promises to be an informative and interesting time. Drinks and snacks will be there. Jean Kinser From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 10:05:43 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:03:40 -0500 Subject: RE: Evolution's involvement in spam and why Watch out guys!!! You gotta remember how tall Jean is and at exactly what height her right-cross or upper-cut is likely to strike you. =8^O ;^) Eric Linnhoff in KC 1998 Dodge Neon R/T #69 DS #13 TLS eric10mm@qni.com "When people talk, listen completely. Most people never listen." Ernest Hemingway (1899-1961) -----Original Message----- For all of those people who are tired of my endless posts to advertise what I am doing for Nationals-the Peru Warm Up, the Seminar and the Dallas Warm Up....I think it's important for you to know exactly what my involvement is. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 10:14:41 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Team.net'" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:12:58 -0700 Subject: paging MR A Popp... Anyone have an email address for Adam Popp? Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 10:24:09 2000 From: Adam Popp To: "Isley, Jason C." , autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:23:14 -0400 Subject: Re: paging MR A Popp... Yeah, I do.:) What's up Jason?? Isley, Jason C. wrote: > > Anyone have an email address for Adam Popp? > > Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley > jason.isley@alltel.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 10:28:42 2000 From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:26:35 EDT Subject: Re: Evolution's involvement in spam and why In a message dated 8/30/00 9:07:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org writes: << Watch out guys!!! You gotta remember how tall Jean is and at exactly what height her right-cross or upper-cut is likely to strike you. =8^O >> Now you see, I could take that very personally and if I was really hormonal start up a short people plea..LOLOLOL-that was very good and made me laugh after such a frustrating day of posts.. See ya this weekend. Jean From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 10:35:31 2000 From: BobTunnell@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:33:28 EDT Subject: Rain Tires If anyone is interested in a set of sticker 195/60/14 BFG 226's for Nationals Rain Insurance, respond to me privately and I'll bring them with me. Also have a set of 14" x 6" Miata alloys that would fit these tires perfectly. --BT From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 10:42:30 2000 From: "Kelly, Katie" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:39:36 -0700 Subject: The Truth About Spam I feel bad for Chris Hammond. I'm going to come to his rescue. I was found guilty of "spamming" team.net a couple of years ago. Only, I just thought I was being funny. Somebody has to think I'm funny. I wanted to see how bad my commercials could be. It prompted a similar debate as this one. Well, actually, no, nothing seems to be as bad as this one. Anyway, even though I got all this hate mail, my mom kept calling me. "Katie," she'd say. "Business is BOOMING! What's going on?!" Yes, I probably developed many enemies, but you know, it was worth it, dammit. The good news is, when these people introduce themselves in person, you can't even place who they are, because taken out of the context of team.net, we really don't know who anybody is. I think I met a few "enemies" at Nationals last year, but I don't think any of us even remembered we were enemies. There are many worse things than people hating you in team.net, is my point. There's just one last thing that I want to say. Call 1-800-KT-KELLY today to find out how you, too, can subscribe and even contribute to North American Pylon. We may not be good, but we sure have fun. Katie Kelly Ace Reporter, North American Pylon From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 10:53:03 2000 From: Lloyd.Wilson@Alcan.Com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:45:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Eastwood HotCoat Powder Coating system --Boundary_(ID_oxvW9Bd9rm1f9XfJ8IN4mg) I know this is premature but I am looking at a after Nationals/winter project. My wheels (4 sets) are starting to show their age, so I would like to attempt to renew them during the winter season. I would like your opinions (like I need to ask) on your personal experiences in painting wheels. Has anyone used Eastwood's HotCoat Powder Coating System? What are your opinions. Easy, simple, cost effective? Would you use it for alloy wheels. Will the coating survive the temperatures a wheel attains after some heavy braking from autocrossing or street use. Has anyone used any other system/product to paint your wheels. What works and what doesn't. Any tips on painting wheels. Special preparation/paint/curing? Thanks, Lloyd Wilson - trying to keep my mind off Nationals, a worthless attempt --Boundary_(ID_oxvW9Bd9rm1f9XfJ8IN4mg)-- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 10:56:29 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: Jkinser77@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:54:34 EDT Subject: Re: WAS -The Truth about email..... NOW The road to hell is paved wit h good ... Jkinser77@aol.com writes: << I completely understand why they have gotten off this or chose not to reply anymore. >> Awwww, what a bunch of weak-kneed, thin-skinned wussies...errr, oops... :-) mAs From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 11:18:19 2000 From: Gail/Sid deLeon To: "Kelly, Katie" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:19:54 -0500 Subject: Re: The Truth About Spam I think you're funny. Sid "Kelly, Katie" wrote: > I feel bad for Chris Hammond. I'm going to come to his rescue. > > I was found guilty of "spamming" team.net a couple of years ago. Only, I > just thought I was being funny. Somebody has to think I'm funny. I wanted to > see how bad my commercials could be. > > It prompted a similar debate as this one. Well, actually, no, nothing seems > to be as bad as this one. > > Anyway, even though I got all this hate mail, my mom kept calling me. > "Katie," she'd say. "Business is BOOMING! What's going on?!" > > Yes, I probably developed many enemies, but you know, it was worth it, > dammit. The good news is, when these people introduce themselves in person, > you can't even place who they are, because taken out of the context of > team.net, we really don't know who anybody is. I think I met a few "enemies" > at Nationals last year, but I don't think any of us even remembered we were > enemies. > > There are many worse things than people hating you in team.net, is my point. > > There's just one last thing that I want to say. > > Call 1-800-KT-KELLY today to find out how you, too, can subscribe and even > contribute to North American Pylon. We may not be good, but we sure have > fun. > > Katie Kelly > Ace Reporter, > North American Pylon From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 11:23:20 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The Truth About Spam Howdy, On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Gail/Sid deLeon wrote: > I think you're funny. suck up. Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 11:32:55 2000 From: Dave Geis To: "Team.Net" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:31:35 -0500 Subject: Corvette pressures Posting for a net-impaired friend. Early '70s BSP Corvette running 265/45/16 Kumhos on 9 1/2" rims. He's just recently made the switch from Hoosier and has been playing with tire pressures. He's come up with 30 front / 24 rear and now a bunch of us have got him worried that he's going to lose a tire off the rim from that low of pressures. What does anybody else run with those tires, that much weight? -- Dave Geis - #25 FM 1982 Morton Formula Vee Who needs a roof?...or doors...or lights...or fenders... Wichita Region SCCA - http://www2.southwind.net/~scca From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 11:38:16 2000 From: jon e prevo To: Lloyd.Wilson@Alcan.Com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:30:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Eastwood HotCoat Powder Coating system Hi, Lloyd. Let me offer my OPINION, and my EXPERIENCES concerning wheel coatings ;-) I had a set of alloy wheels powder-coated by a professional. They looked great. The car was autocross-only, trailered everywhere. I rotated the tires after every 2 events to maintain smooth wear, dismounted and remounted the tires and rotated across the car after every 4th event. One season's worth of use saw the wheels chipped in several places, even around the rim where the plastic tire-bead tool ran. The powder coating chipped around the lug nut seats, clogging up the lug threads and making them bind, ruining the anti-sieze I had applied. I painted a set of steel wheels for my 4x4 Blazer with Krylon Rust-Tuff enamel out of a can. They didn't look quite so good, but after five years, they look as good as my $powder-coated$ wheels do. I have a custom-painting friend who sand- or bead-blasts wheels (depending on the material), paints them with an etchant, a polyeurethane basecoat and a eurethane clearcoat with a flex agent mixed in, and his wheels look better than any others I have ever seen. Also, they are apparently very durable due to the flex agent in the clear coat. The drawback is that this process is even more expensive than professional powder-coating, therefore usually relegated to custom and showcar applications. Hope that helps! Jon FP 73 TCB Racing Datsun 260Z TLS #73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 11:51:54 2000 From: Stephen Bernard To: Jkinser77@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:46:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Evolution's involvement in spam and why > Watch out guys!!! You gotta remember how tall Jean is and at > exactly what > height her right-cross or upper-cut is likely to strike you. =8^O > >> > > Now you see, I could take that very personally and if I was really > hormonal > start up a short people plea..LOLOLOL-that was very good and made me > laugh after such a frustrating day of posts.. Now Jean guys in the know, know that short women are far sexier. Steve Bernard Red '99 Miata (B-Stock) NER Region (Novice Class) mailto:Solo-2@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 11:56:13 2000 From: Gail/Sid deLeon To: "Mark J. Andy" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:56:30 -0500 Subject: Re: The Truth About Spam "Mark J. Andy" wrote: > Howdy, > > On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Gail/Sid deLeon wrote: > > I think you're funny. > > suck up. > > Mark Don't be upset I think you are funny also,but humorless Sid From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 12:00:18 2000 From: Dave Geis To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:59:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Eastwood HotCoat Powder Coating system Lloyd.Wilson@Alcan.Com wrote: > I would like your opinions (like I > need to ask) on your personal experiences in painting wheels. > > Has anyone used Eastwood's HotCoat Powder Coating System? What are your > opinions. Easy, simple, cost effective? Would you use it for alloy wheels. > Will the coating survive the temperatures a wheel attains after some heavy > braking from autocrossing or street use. > A friend used Eastwood's system to powdercoat my valve covers and other parts for others. Looks great for parts, but I wouldn't use it for wheels. I agree with Jon with all the bad about using them on wheels. I don't mount/dismout all the time and still have had some chipping problems. And cone goo that goes on them, stays on them - even mild polishing will take some of the coating off. I shot my original VW rims (I use FV rains) with Krylon and haven't had any problems. And if they get scuffed, chipped, whatever, all it takes is a trip to Wallyworld to get another can -- Dave Geis - #25 FM 1982 Morton Formula Vee Who needs a roof?...or doors...or lights...or fenders... Wichita Region SCCA - http://www2.southwind.net/~scca From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 12:11:33 2000 From: Brian Weikert To: "Brad Snakenberg" , Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:19:37 -0600 Subject: Re: Classing Question - 99 Mustang Cobra In *stock* trim, the 99 Cobra is an FS car. If the other Cobra's you see are racing in ESP, there is probably some other reason for that - ie: the owners have made modifications to the cars that take them out of FS. In my case, I run on 17x9 wheels with 275/40 Khumo's, which takes me out of FS into ESP (Stock class specifies no change to wheel width from stock, which is 17x8). So, if your friend hasn't made any changes to his car, he is in FS. Brian Weikert 99 Mustang Cobra ESP At 07:42 AM 8/30/00 , Brad Snakenberg wrote: >A friend is going to start autocrossing his stock 99 Mustang Cobra. The >lists I've checked show him to be in FS with all V8 Mustangs, but it seems >that other Cobras are racing in ESP (which would seem logical to me). > >Where does he belong, and if it is in ESP, where would I find it listed? > >Thanks! > >Brad Snakenberg >92 Miata CS - newly acquired >bsnake@usa.net > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 12:24:44 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: "Ron Dillman" , Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:43:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Other tires available; In addition to Ron's stuff, I have a brand new, never mounted, still in wrapping, 245/50 ZR 15 BFG R1 tire that I can bring to Nationals if anyone is interested. 60 bucks takes it... Phil O. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Dillman" Subject: Other tires available; > 2 225/50/15 BFG R1's with very little use > 2 225/50/15 BFG R1's that have been used, but are still good to go > 2 265/50/15 BFG R1's with moderate usage > 4 245/50/15 G Force never used, never mounted > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 12:24:42 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: , "team.net" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:21:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Evolution's involvement in spam and why "WINNERS" she says, not WHINERS.....And there has been a LOT of that lately...As long as her posts are autox related, and not being crammed down anyone's throat, leave it alone, or delete it... Phil O. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Evolution's involvement in spam and why snipped stuff > suppported us, we want to produce winners and trophy winners, but yet > recognized ther efforts of the others who are working their butts off to > improve. snipped stuff > Jean Kinser > Owner, Co-Founder Evolution Performance Driving School-McKamey Autocross > Division From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 12:40:29 2000 From: "Mark J. Andy" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The Truth About Spam Howdy, On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Gail/Sid deLeon wrote: > Don't be upset I think you are funny also,but humorless Ok, I'm totally offended that you apparently enjoy laughing at me... ...well, actually I don't care. See you at nationals! :-) Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 12:40:29 2000 From: "Phil Ethier" To: , Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:37:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Evolution's involvement in spam and why >For all of those people who are tired of my endless posts to advertise what I >am doing for Nationals-the Peru Warm Up, the Seminar and the Dallas Warm >Up Not me. Post away, as far as I care. This list is for autocross-related stuff. The sole judge of that is Mark Bradakis. Until Mark tells you to cool it, the rest of us can just excercise our delete keys. Anyone who is not happy with the way Mark does things is more than welcome to found his own mailing list elsewere. Phil Ethier Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1970 Lotus Europa, 1992 Saturn SL2, 1986 Chev Suburban, 1962 Triumph TR4 LOON, MAC pethier@isd.net http://www.mnautox.com/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 12:40:57 2000 From: jon e prevo To: psosborn@gte.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:32:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Other tires available; On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:43:17 -0400 "Phillip Osborne" writes: > In addition to Ron's stuff, I have a brand new, never mounted, still > in > wrapping, 245/50 ZR 15 BFG R1 tire that I can bring to Nationals if > anyone > is interested. 60 bucks takes it... For that Lone Ranger type who enters A Mod on a unicycle! Oh wait! A Mod has a wheelbase requirement! Maybe D or E mod? Or, Phil, is that the one left over after you finished your new CP tricycle? ;-)Jon FP 73 TCB Racing Datsun 260Z TLS #73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 12:41:37 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Team.net'" , "'Vetnet'" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:39:01 -0700 Subject: Vette Shocks wanted... I am looking for a set of used shocks for an 86' Corvette. I would prefer Koni's but will take Z51 Bilsteins. If you have something let me know. Thanks Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 12:59:24 2000 From: Gail/Sid deLeon To: "Mark J. Andy" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:59:57 -0500 Subject: Re: The Truth About Spam In no way am I laughing at you,I would like to think more, with you! Thanks for the smiley, I should have used one also.Looking forward to seeing you Nat's Sid "Mark J. Andy" wrote: > Howdy, > > On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Gail/Sid deLeon wrote: > > Don't be upset I think you are funny also,but humorless > > Ok, I'm totally offended that you apparently enjoy laughing at me... > > ...well, actually I don't care. > > See you at nationals! :-) > > Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 13:02:09 2000 From: jon e prevo To: pethier@isd.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:56:22 -0500 Subject: was:Re: Evolution's involvement...now: Europas Hey, Phil! It was great to see you and the new little toy in Waco. Hope you enjoyed it as much as we did, despite the heat. I am also glad toi hear that you had a safe trip all the way north. Now that I am going to have a job which pays my bills, I am going to be in the market for a decent drivable Europa. Know of any for sale? Jay, you are welcome to respond too ;-) Jon FP 73 TCB Racing Datsun 260Z TLS #73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 14:50:54 2000 From: "Hollis, Andy" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:15:41 -0500 Subject: 4 - BFG 185/60-14 sticker 226's available And if Bob's tires are a might too big for you I have a set of similar tires, but in 185/60-14. All the better to cut through those big pools on the South course area. These were my old rain "insurance" tires when I ran BFG's. They are full tread. Two are stickers, two have been scrubbed for one run on the back of the MX6 in the rain (Nats '95). They obviously work, because the rain stopped as soon as I ran them. :-) I can bring these to Nats if anyone is interested in purchasing. Oh, and I'll sell them for $1 less than what Bob's price is. Just kidding, Bob... :-) --Andy Hollis From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 14:50:52 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: "jon e prevo" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:11:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Other tires available; Nope, left over from a CSP Porsche 914 project that went to hell in a handbag after I moved to Texas. Man, did I take a hit on that one... Phil O. Subject: Re: Other tires available; > Or, Phil, is that the one left over after you finished your new CP > tricycle? > > ;-)Jon FP 73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 15:05:23 2000 From: "Burns, James B." To: autox Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:03:05 -0400 Subject: Gear Ratios Question How do you decide which gear ratios are optimum for an autox? Assuming a relatively low torque 4-cyl engine, is it better to have lower gearing with closer ratios which requires more shifting, or is it better to choose a ratio that allows most courses to be run entirely in second gear (except for the start)? As a hypothetical (honest!) example, let's take a '99+ Miata being prepped for CSP. The standard car has a 5-speed with the following ratios: 1st 3.136 2nd 1.888 3rd 1.330 4th 1.000 5th 0.814 final drive 4.30 The 10AE has a 6-speed with the following ratios: 1st 3.760 2nd 2.269 3rd 1.645 4th 1.257 5th 1.000 6th 0.843 final drive 3.909 The automatic car has a final drive of 4.10. So, you could use the 6-speed tranny with a 4.30 final drive which would give some very low overall ratios. You would likely have to shift to third on most courses, especially if you use the 13" wheels which are popular in CSP. But if you can shift well you could keep the car in its power band more often. On the street, you'd be doing more shifting, and you'd be turning a little higher rpm (I figure about 150 rpm higher) on the freeway. Another option would be the 4.10 final drive with the 6-speed tranny. This would give more torque multiplication for autox and the same highway economy as the 5-speed car (actually a hair better). But you'd probably still need third gear at times on a lot of autox courses. Would this be an advantage or a disadvantage? I know the best way to find out the answer is to experiment with the different ratios and see what works. But I'm sure others have experimented with similar options on some SP and Prepared cars and may have some insight into how to figure out the optimum ratios for autox. Brad Burns From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 15:07:48 2000 From: "nathan_pitchford" To: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:30:47 -0500 Subject: Looking for 18" Tires Hello I'm looking for a used set of 18" tires size 245 or 255. Email me with a price. Thanks! Nathan P From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 15:14:53 2000 From: ACRTNT@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:12:37 EDT Subject: Can I Warm Your Tires? I'm registered to run at the Nats in Topeka (including the Sat/Sun warmups) but it doesn't look like my neon will back from being repaired before then. I'm looking for a ride. I'll provide tires (BFG G-Force that fit a neon). It's not likely that I would beat you in your own car (check last year's results) but I know I can warm tires. It doesn't have to be in DS. I'm getting a little panicky here. Please respond to my e-mail address as I am on the digest list. Thanks, Terry Teeter From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 15:17:10 2000 From: Jon Rush To: washburn Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:10:13 -0400 Subject: Re: BFG R1's? The Hot Rumor of a little while ago was that BFG was still producing the R1s in the smaller diameters as rain tires. Have you checked with them? Does anyone know if this is still true? Jon Rush washburn wrote: > > Jeff Cashmore wrote: > > > > Apparently the G-Forces in my size are backordered. Does anyone have > > two old R1's (225/50-14) they want to sell? "Give me your tired, your > > poor..." > > > > Jeff Cashmore > > Did you finally deplete the final priceless supply of the old wonder > tires? > > PLW From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 15:23:13 2000 From: "Brian Berryhill" To: "Autox" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:17:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Gear Ratios Question I think this question is course specific. Granted, I don't drive a Miata, and my V6 has a little more torque, yet I've downshifted to first at least 4 times on one course here in the MS region. IMO, ideally, you want the highest gear that you're going to use in the autox to run out of revs just before fuel-cutoff at your highest on-course speed. My PGT goes around 68mph in 2nd at 7500rpm, and I've never seen that. On the course last Saturday, I was able to stay in 1st gear from the start until the first switchback, so that was good that I didn't hit the rev-limiter coming up into the curves. Conversely, I've had to go through cone in the box setups where if I stayed in 2nd gear, I'd be lugging out at 3k rpm which is too slow for me. Also, you have to take into consider shift times... my 1-2 shift (with 80k synchros) isn't as fast as when my car was new, so doing the 2-1-2 thing sometimes might waste more time than it saves, in which case, having a shorter 2nd and shorter 3rd would help If it were me, for autox-only, I would go with the 6-speed and 4.30 for max acceleration. But, since my car is also my daily driver, I probably wouldn't. Currently, I'm pondering changing out my 5th gear to a taller ratio for better gas mileage on the highway. Brian -- Brian Berryhill http://www.angelfire.com/ms/brianberryhill/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burns, James B." To: "autox" Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 4:03 PM Subject: Gear Ratios Question > How do you decide which gear ratios are optimum for an autox? Assuming a > relatively low torque 4-cyl engine, is it better to have lower gearing with > closer ratios which requires more shifting, or is it better to choose a > ratio that allows most courses to be run entirely in second gear (except for > the start)? > > As a hypothetical (honest!) example, let's take a '99+ Miata being prepped > for CSP. > The standard car has a 5-speed with the following ratios: > 1st 3.136 > 2nd 1.888 > 3rd 1.330 > 4th 1.000 > 5th 0.814 > final drive 4.30 > > The 10AE has a 6-speed with the following ratios: > 1st 3.760 > 2nd 2.269 > 3rd 1.645 > 4th 1.257 > 5th 1.000 > 6th 0.843 > final drive 3.909 > > The automatic car has a final drive of 4.10. > > So, you could use the 6-speed tranny with a 4.30 final drive which would > give some very low overall ratios. You would likely have to shift to third > on most courses, especially if you use the 13" wheels which are popular in > CSP. But if you can shift well you could keep the car in its power band > more often. On the street, you'd be doing more shifting, and you'd be > turning a little higher rpm (I figure about 150 rpm higher) on the freeway. > > Another option would be the 4.10 final drive with the 6-speed tranny. This > would give more torque multiplication for autox and the same highway economy > as the 5-speed car (actually a hair better). But you'd probably still need > third gear at times on a lot of autox courses. Would this be an advantage > or a disadvantage? > > I know the best way to find out the answer is to experiment with the > different ratios and see what works. But I'm sure others have experimented > with similar options on some SP and Prepared cars and may have some insight > into how to figure out the optimum ratios for autox. > > Brad Burns From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 15:48:43 2000 From: "Brian Fitzpatrick" To: "autox" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:45:02 -0500 Subject: For sale: Kumho 255/40-17's I have a set of 4 never-mounted, Tirerack heat-cycled, Kumho 255/40-17's for sale. I bought them in case of a shortage, but now I don't need them. $560 plus shipping (from Omaha, NE) or can deliver to Topeka. Thanks, Brian Fitzpatrick From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 15:57:07 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: "Burns, James B." Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:54:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Gear Ratios Question "Burns, James B." wrote: > How do you decide which gear ratios are optimum for an autox? > Assuming a relatively low torque 4-cyl engine, is it better to have > lower gearing with closer ratios which requires more shifting, or is > it better to choose a ratio that allows most courses to be run > entirely in second gear (except for the start)? I can tell you what those of us who have completely free gearing do... First, there's a couple of issues to consider. (1) Do you really have complete freedom? If you're in Stock or SP, you're choosing between entire gearboxes, not individual gears. Thus, you might find one where the gap between 2nd and 3rd is absurdly large (so you'd want to try to stay in second), or one where first is absurdly short (so you'd want to row between 2nd and 3rd, or stay in 2nd). (2) Is the car easy to shift? Due to poor linkages, or engines or trannys that move too much, some cars can be tough to shift at some times. Thus, in such cars, you'd want to minimize shifts in order to minimize shifting errors. Also, note that due to gearbox internals, many cars are easier to shift between first and second than between second and third, since you have to switch to another shift fork on a 2-3 shift. Cars that are hard to shift into first are usually because there's a huge space between 1st and 2nd in terms of gear ratio. (3) Similarly, can the car be shifted quickly? Closer ratios always mean quicker shifts, since the gearbox shafts need less change of speed. But there are other issues. On cars that cannot be shifted quickly, you want to minimize shifts. If the ratios are well spaced and the car can be shifted easily and quickly, then I believe that shorter ratios are always faster. But some drivers still may not want to devote any of their precious attention span to shifting, and thus might still prefer to stay in 2nd. Next, how to choose ratios. First, decide how many gears you're going to want to use, based on the criteria above. To determine the spacing, calculate the rev drop when shifted at redline, or perhaps the percentage difference in each gear. Typically, if you're going to be using four gears (as I do), you want 3rd and 4th to be very close together, 2nd and 3rd to be slightly further apart, and 1st and 2nd to be further still. The idea is that when accelerating, each upshift results in a slightly smaller rev drop than the one before, because you'll need the additional power to overcome the additional drag experienced at speed. Also, you'd like your upper gears to be close enough to the ones below that if you do absolutely have to upshift, you might be able to get away without having to downshift again. Next, decide what your top speed needs to be. In the Formula Ford, it looks like that's around 80 mph. Choose your gearing such that top speed is reached at redline in top gear, then space the other gears according to the description above. Top speed for my car in each gear is 41, 54, 66, 81. > As a hypothetical (honest!) example, let's take a '99+ Miata being > prepped for CSP. By my calculations, top speed in gear with each combo, using a 225/45-13 (65.19" circumference): 5-speed, 4.300: 32 53 75 100 123 5-speed, 3.909: 35 58 83 110 135 6-speed, 3.909: 29 49 67 88 110 131 6-speed, 4.300: 27 44 61 80 100 119 So, a quick take on that is that with either 5-speed combination, you're still going to need 3rd gear sometimes. Given that, with the 4.3, at least you'll be much higher in the powerband when you're in 3rd. With the six speed, you're always going to need third gear, and you'd probably need 4th on some courses with the 4.300. If you believe you'll never be going more than 67 mph,the 3.909 looks like the better choice for final drive, given this tire size. As for the sense of the ratios, here's the rev drop -- or more accurately, the new speed in each gear after upshifting at 7000: 5-speed: 4214 4931 5263 5698 6-speed: 4224 5075 5349 5569 5901 So both have a good progression of gearing. The six speed is indeed a little closer than the five. With the 6-speed and the 4.3, second gear is short enough that you'd probably never need to go down to first, except for those crawl-around-at-idle-in-first-gear pin turns -- and the ratios are close enough that upshifting to first won't be that hard. Also, at high speed you'll be going between 3rd and 4th, which is probably easier than going between 2nd and 3rd since it's on the same shift gate. My personal pick, assuming an SP Miata can be shifted quickly and easily, would be the 6-speed with the 4.3 -- but then, I like rowing through the gears. Someone who wanted to do as little shifting as possible might go for the 5-speed and the 3.909, and use slightly larger tires, thus staying in second except for the slowest corners. If it turns out that top speed in a CSP Miata on fast courses (like the Devens NT and the NEDivs) is below 67, I might change my mind on that (or I might compromise with the 4.1 final drive). Normally I wouldn't want to make gearing adjustments with tire size. There are just too many benefits to a small tire... Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 16:32:21 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:17:39 -0400 Subject: My Team.Net Pet Peeve Well, seeings as we're all venting.... - I can handle the occasional on-topic "commercial" post - I find Jean's tendancy to _immediately_ (like within 30 seconds) respond to any post that mentions an Evo school or instructor mildly amusing. - I've learned to deal with Linhoff's "I use the full text of War and Peace, (with annotations and glossary). as a .sig" signatures. - I've even developed a mental Kill File that does a pretty good job of filtering out the *incessent* stream of Paul Fosterisms But every time someone quotes the FREAKING FULL TEXT OF A MESSAGE AT THE BOTTOM OF A TWO LINE POST, I wanna jump in with both feet and start a-swingin' a 10kg LART. PLEASE, *PLEASE*, those of you who have not been around the 'net long enough to know that There Is No Cabal, the proper way to reply to a message is to trim down the quoted text to the absolute bare minimum required, like so: Joe Bloggins wrote: > Some pithy observation My counterpoint .sig NOT, I SAY AGAIN ****NOT**** Joe Bloggins wrote: My counterpoint > 100 lines of quoted message, 99 of which are > completely unrelated to the discussion at hand .sig YES, this requires a little more effort on your part. YES, you will have to master the elusive and highly technical art-jitsu of the "delete" key (or, if you are a little-endian, the "backspace" key) YES, this will require you to, on average, spend an additional 10 SECONDS preparing your post before sending it off for all of us to read. But the resultant savings in bandwidth, legibility (especially for Digest readers) and reduction in my blood pressure will do wonders for your Karma. Seriously! DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 16:35:36 2000 From: Bob Monday To: Popsracr@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: No BFG Contingency Let me see if I understand this: Even if you can win in spite of them, they won't help or pay. OK, I'VE GOT IT! =8-) Bob Monday Boys-R-Us Racing --- Popsracr@aol.com wrote: > No surprise to most folks. > > BFG told me (Renee) that there is no contingency or support truck for > > Nationals because they do not feel that they have the best product > available > at this time. There are efforts being made to improve the tire > compound. > > Jim __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 16:39:47 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'dg50@daimlerchrysler.com'" , Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:38:10 -0700 Subject: RE: My Team.Net Pet Peeve I think if you put 17" wheels and a 6" tip on you Diamond Star with way to many stickers you are not allowed to be a minimalist. ;> lol Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com -----Original Message----- From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:dg50@daimlerchrysler.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:18 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: My Team.Net Pet Peeve Well, seeings as we're all venting.... - I can handle the occasional on-topic "commercial" post - I find Jean's tendancy to _immediately_ (like within 30 seconds) respond to any post that mentions an Evo school or instructor mildly amusing. - I've learned to deal with Linhoff's "I use the full text of War and Peace, (with annotations and glossary). as a .sig" signatures. - I've even developed a mental Kill File that does a pretty good job of filtering out the *incessent* stream of Paul Fosterisms But every time someone quotes the FREAKING FULL TEXT OF A MESSAGE AT THE BOTTOM OF A TWO LINE POST, I wanna jump in with both feet and start a-swingin' a 10kg LART. PLEASE, *PLEASE*, those of you who have not been around the 'net long enough to know that There Is No Cabal, the proper way to reply to a message is to trim down the quoted text to the absolute bare minimum required, like so: Joe Bloggins wrote: > Some pithy observation My counterpoint .sig NOT, I SAY AGAIN ****NOT**** Joe Bloggins wrote: My counterpoint > 100 lines of quoted message, 99 of which are > completely unrelated to the discussion at hand .sig YES, this requires a little more effort on your part. YES, you will have to master the elusive and highly technical art-jitsu of the "delete" key (or, if you are a little-endian, the "backspace" key) YES, this will require you to, on average, spend an additional 10 SECONDS preparing your post before sending it off for all of us to read. But the resultant savings in bandwidth, legibility (especially for Digest readers) and reduction in my blood pressure will do wonders for your Karma. Seriously! DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 17:19:06 2000 From: TP3092@aol.com To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:16:27 EDT Subject: Roomie needed in Kansas My codriver/room mate had to back out of going to nationals,I have a room at the Quality Inn on SW Wanamaker from friday night to thursday morning with an empty bed. looking to split the costs. call Tommy Pulliam 770/813/1891 or e-mail TP3092@aol.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 17:50:11 2000 From: "Brad Holliday" To: cashmo@spec-rx7.org Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:48:14 GMT Subject: 225/50-14 G-Forces >Apparently the G-Forces in my size are backordered. Does anyone have two >old R1's (225/50-14) they want to sell? I have eight G-Forces in your size. One set has 6 runs, the other set has 12 runs. These were used at last years Nationals on MR2's (bought a few weeks prior). Let me know if you're interested. Brad Holliday _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 18:11:42 2000 From: "Eric Buckley" To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:14:22 -0500 Subject: RE: List Spam solution I'm sure everybody is as tired of this thread as I am, and most will delete this without reading it. But for those who care... Arthur Emerson wrote: > I'm inclined to think that Mr. Hammond is just an excited > novice, and is trying to give something back to the sport that > he just discovered. If this is true, I'm sure that his > efforts would be more appreciated in dragging the cones out > to his local club's site. Team.Net isn't broken. While I agree that Chris could be a bit less vocal in his criticism of team.net, especially since he is using it to promote his own list, this is unfounded. Chris does his share of "dragging cones." I know this because I have to wait for him (and others) to drag them into the trailer before I can tow it away. As for team.net not being broken, I would say that this thread has demonstrated that it is, but SPAM ain't the problem. I enjoy it, flaws and all, but couldn't we be just a bit more civil? Chris, as another who has been at the center of a team.net flame war (anybody remember the 1998 discussion on women's classes?), I can only say that in a few months, nobody will care. Eric Buckley 7 STR: 98 Integra GSR St. Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 18:44:34 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: ejbuckley@earthlink.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:42:05 EDT Subject: Re: List Spam solution In a message dated 8/30/00 5:13:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ejbuckley@earthlink.net writes: << Chris, as another who has been at the center of a team.net flame war (anybody remember the 1998 discussion on women's classes?), I can only say that in a few months, nobody will care. Eric Buckley 7 STR: 98 Integra GSR >> Oh yes, I had forgot about that one! I think that flame war was running in tandem with my original "Team Laughing Stock" comments that sparked a Team.Net "Trench War" that lasted several weeks. So, Chris Hammond welcome to the club. Mark B. hasn't thrown me, Paul Foster, The Sipester, Adam Popp, Jon E.Prevo or that Kelly chick off the list yet?????? Mike B. TLS#1 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 18:50:01 2000 From: The Narbys To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:46:55 -0500 Subject: Re: List Spam solution This is of course, aside from the group including me who don't care already. The noise to signal ratio on this list has always (in my experience) been incredibly high. Doug Narby 19DP Fiat X1/9 SoWeLa Region Eric Buckley wrote: > Chris, as another who has been at the center of a team.net flame war > (anybody remember the 1998 discussion on women's classes?), I can only say > that in a few months, nobody will care. > > Eric Buckley > 7 STR: 98 Integra GSR > St. Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 19:03:13 2000 From: Priebe17@gateway.net To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:00:48 EDT Subject: FS: 99 2.5RS I am selling my 99 Subaru 2.5RS. The car is immacculate!! I am only selling the 99 RS, because I bought serial #11, which is the one I will be running at Nationals. 27k, Silver/Charcoal, leather, carbon fiber (dash, e-brake, shift knob), gauge pack, air filtration system, air, sunroof, pw, pl, ps, abs, alarm, cd/tape (6 speaker audio), diff protector, side skirts painted (ala M3 style), and probably more I am leaving out. 16k FIRM is what I am asking for the car. I believe trade in is around 15.5-15.7k. --Brian Priebe From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 19:37:48 2000 From: washburn To: Jon Rush Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:33:37 -0500 Subject: Re: BFG R1's? Jon Rush wrote: > > The Hot Rumor of a little while ago was that BFG was still producing the > R1s in the smaller diameters as rain tires. Have you checked with them? > Does anyone know if this is still true? > I beleive that they have been readily available in 13" sizes all year. PLW From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 21:30:16 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "washburn" , "Jon Rush" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:36:31 -0400 Subject: RE: BFG R1's? I got the word from team T/A the end of last season that 230 "wets" were available in my size 245/45/16 and would be until the G-force "rain" tire was ready I have not heard of any rain tire yet PS. The 230 "wets" are identical to the old autocross compound 226's FYI But IMHO they can't compete with the new offerings from Hoosier and kumho If for nothing else the hoosiers make the car a world easier to drive, I am not a fan of the kumho But it has to do with my car setup and driving style Jeff Lloyd "Still the fastest non Miata in BS" -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of washburn Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 9:34 PM To: Jon Rush Cc: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: BFG R1's? Jon Rush wrote: > > The Hot Rumor of a little while ago was that BFG was still producing the > R1s in the smaller diameters as rain tires. Have you checked with them? > Does anyone know if this is still true? > I beleive that they have been readily available in 13" sizes all year. PLW From autox-owner@autox.team.net Wed Aug 30 21:46:28 2000 From: Ross Fortini To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Warmups status (for Chris Hutsell) I wanted to update everyone on behalf of Chris Hutsell regarding the Nationals warmup events Sept 9th and 10th... Given the quick rate of entry, *both* days of warmups are full. Sunday's event was filled by August 9th. Chris is still working through the last of the Saturday entries but already has more entries "in queue" than remaining spaces. You can get on a waiting list by sending an entry without payment and showing up on the day of the event(s) to find out if you're in. In an effort to accomodate the increased demand, Sunday's entry cap was bumped from 180 to 200. And Saturday's entry cap was bumped from 200 to 250! ---> PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING THE WARMUPS...I'M AFRAID YOU NOW KNOW EVERYTHING I DO ABOUT THEM! <--- For more info, email Chris at cuthut@swbell.net (Note: I think a phone call is a less timely/efficient way of reaching her. She's lately been getting 45 messages each day!) *** _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 00:26:44 2000 From: "Brandon C. Fetch" To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:19:56 -0500 Subject: Re: My Team.Net Pet Peeve .sigg And what opinion does DC have about Replies? ;-) Lurk mode on Brandon DS 86 '99 Neon R/T ******************************************************************************* Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP ******************************************************************************* From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 00:28:21 2000 From: "Brandon C. Fetch" To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:19:56 -0500 Subject: Re: My Team.Net Pet Peeve .sigg And what opinion does DC have about Replies? ;-) Lurk mode on Brandon DS 86 '99 Neon R/T ******************************************************************************* Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP ******************************************************************************* From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:04:11 2000 From: "Brian Fitzpatrick" To: "autox" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:45:02 -0500 Subject: For sale: Kumho 255/40-17's I have a set of 4 never-mounted, Tirerack heat-cycled, Kumho 255/40-17's for sale. I bought them in case of a shortage, but now I don't need them. $560 plus shipping (from Omaha, NE) or can deliver to Topeka. Thanks, Brian Fitzpatrick From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:04:14 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: "Burns"@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:54:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Gear Ratios Question "Burns, James B." wrote: > How do you decide which gear ratios are optimum for an autox? > Assuming a relatively low torque 4-cyl engine, is it better to have > lower gearing with closer ratios which requires more shifting, or is > it better to choose a ratio that allows most courses to be run > entirely in second gear (except for the start)? I can tell you what those of us who have completely free gearing do... First, there's a couple of issues to consider. (1) Do you really have complete freedom? If you're in Stock or SP, you're choosing between entire gearboxes, not individual gears. Thus, you might find one where the gap between 2nd and 3rd is absurdly large (so you'd want to try to stay in second), or one where first is absurdly short (so you'd want to row between 2nd and 3rd, or stay in 2nd). (2) Is the car easy to shift? Due to poor linkages, or engines or trannys that move too much, some cars can be tough to shift at some times. Thus, in such cars, you'd want to minimize shifts in order to minimize shifting errors. Also, note that due to gearbox internals, many cars are easier to shift between first and second than between second and third, since you have to switch to another shift fork on a 2-3 shift. Cars that are hard to shift into first are usually because there's a huge space between 1st and 2nd in terms of gear ratio. (3) Similarly, can the car be shifted quickly? Closer ratios always mean quicker shifts, since the gearbox shafts need less change of speed. But there are other issues. On cars that cannot be shifted quickly, you want to minimize shifts. If the ratios are well spaced and the car can be shifted easily and quickly, then I believe that shorter ratios are always faster. But some drivers still may not want to devote any of their precious attention span to shifting, and thus might still prefer to stay in 2nd. Next, how to choose ratios. First, decide how many gears you're going to want to use, based on the criteria above. To determine the spacing, calculate the rev drop when shifted at redline, or perhaps the percentage difference in each gear. Typically, if you're going to be using four gears (as I do), you want 3rd and 4th to be very close together, 2nd and 3rd to be slightly further apart, and 1st and 2nd to be further still. The idea is that when accelerating, each upshift results in a slightly smaller rev drop than the one before, because you'll need the additional power to overcome the additional drag experienced at speed. Also, you'd like your upper gears to be close enough to the ones below that if you do absolutely have to upshift, you might be able to get away without having to downshift again. Next, decide what your top speed needs to be. In the Formula Ford, it looks like that's around 80 mph. Choose your gearing such that top speed is reached at redline in top gear, then space the other gears according to the description above. Top speed for my car in each gear is 41, 54, 66, 81. > As a hypothetical (honest!) example, let's take a '99+ Miata being > prepped for CSP. By my calculations, top speed in gear with each combo, using a 225/45-13 (65.19" circumference): 5-speed, 4.300: 32 53 75 100 123 5-speed, 3.909: 35 58 83 110 135 6-speed, 3.909: 29 49 67 88 110 131 6-speed, 4.300: 27 44 61 80 100 119 So, a quick take on that is that with either 5-speed combination, you're still going to need 3rd gear sometimes. Given that, with the 4.3, at least you'll be much higher in the powerband when you're in 3rd. With the six speed, you're always going to need third gear, and you'd probably need 4th on some courses with the 4.300. If you believe you'll never be going more than 67 mph,the 3.909 looks like the better choice for final drive, given this tire size. As for the sense of the ratios, here's the rev drop -- or more accurately, the new speed in each gear after upshifting at 7000: 5-speed: 4214 4931 5263 5698 6-speed: 4224 5075 5349 5569 5901 So both have a good progression of gearing. The six speed is indeed a little closer than the five. With the 6-speed and the 4.3, second gear is short enough that you'd probably never need to go down to first, except for those crawl-around-at-idle-in-first-gear pin turns -- and the ratios are close enough that upshifting to first won't be that hard. Also, at high speed you'll be going between 3rd and 4th, which is probably easier than going between 2nd and 3rd since it's on the same shift gate. My personal pick, assuming an SP Miata can be shifted quickly and easily, would be the 6-speed with the 4.3 -- but then, I like rowing through the gears. Someone who wanted to do as little shifting as possible might go for the 5-speed and the 3.909, and use slightly larger tires, thus staying in second except for the slowest corners. If it turns out that top speed in a CSP Miata on fast courses (like the Devens NT and the NEDivs) is below 67, I might change my mind on that (or I might compromise with the 4.1 final drive). Normally I wouldn't want to make gearing adjustments with tire size. There are just too many benefits to a small tire... Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:05:56 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:17:39 -0400 Subject: My Team.Net Pet Peeve Well, seeings as we're all venting.... - I can handle the occasional on-topic "commercial" post - I find Jean's tendancy to _immediately_ (like within 30 seconds) respond to any post that mentions an Evo school or instructor mildly amusing. - I've learned to deal with Linhoff's "I use the full text of War and Peace, (with annotations and glossary). as a .sig" signatures. - I've even developed a mental Kill File that does a pretty good job of filtering out the *incessent* stream of Paul Fosterisms But every time someone quotes the FREAKING FULL TEXT OF A MESSAGE AT THE BOTTOM OF A TWO LINE POST, I wanna jump in with both feet and start a-swingin' a 10kg LART. PLEASE, *PLEASE*, those of you who have not been around the 'net long enough to know that There Is No Cabal, the proper way to reply to a message is to trim down the quoted text to the absolute bare minimum required, like so: Joe Bloggins wrote: > Some pithy observation My counterpoint .sig NOT, I SAY AGAIN ****NOT**** Joe Bloggins wrote: My counterpoint > 100 lines of quoted message, 99 of which are > completely unrelated to the discussion at hand .sig YES, this requires a little more effort on your part. YES, you will have to master the elusive and highly technical art-jitsu of the "delete" key (or, if you are a little-endian, the "backspace" key) YES, this will require you to, on average, spend an additional 10 SECONDS preparing your post before sending it off for all of us to read. But the resultant savings in bandwidth, legibility (especially for Digest readers) and reduction in my blood pressure will do wonders for your Karma. Seriously! DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:06:32 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'dg50@daimlerchrysler.com'" , Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:38:10 -0700 Subject: RE: My Team.Net Pet Peeve I think if you put 17" wheels and a 6" tip on you Diamond Star with way to many stickers you are not allowed to be a minimalist. ;> lol Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com -----Original Message----- From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:dg50@daimlerchrysler.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:18 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: My Team.Net Pet Peeve Well, seeings as we're all venting.... - I can handle the occasional on-topic "commercial" post - I find Jean's tendancy to _immediately_ (like within 30 seconds) respond to any post that mentions an Evo school or instructor mildly amusing. - I've learned to deal with Linhoff's "I use the full text of War and Peace, (with annotations and glossary). as a .sig" signatures. - I've even developed a mental Kill File that does a pretty good job of filtering out the *incessent* stream of Paul Fosterisms But every time someone quotes the FREAKING FULL TEXT OF A MESSAGE AT THE BOTTOM OF A TWO LINE POST, I wanna jump in with both feet and start a-swingin' a 10kg LART. PLEASE, *PLEASE*, those of you who have not been around the 'net long enough to know that There Is No Cabal, the proper way to reply to a message is to trim down the quoted text to the absolute bare minimum required, like so: Joe Bloggins wrote: > Some pithy observation My counterpoint .sig NOT, I SAY AGAIN ****NOT**** Joe Bloggins wrote: My counterpoint > 100 lines of quoted message, 99 of which are > completely unrelated to the discussion at hand .sig YES, this requires a little more effort on your part. YES, you will have to master the elusive and highly technical art-jitsu of the "delete" key (or, if you are a little-endian, the "backspace" key) YES, this will require you to, on average, spend an additional 10 SECONDS preparing your post before sending it off for all of us to read. But the resultant savings in bandwidth, legibility (especially for Digest readers) and reduction in my blood pressure will do wonders for your Karma. Seriously! DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:08:17 2000 From: TP3092@aol.com To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:16:27 EDT Subject: Roomie needed in Kansas My codriver/room mate had to back out of going to nationals,I have a room at the Quality Inn on SW Wanamaker from friday night to thursday morning with an empty bed. looking to split the costs. call Tommy Pulliam 770/813/1891 or e-mail TP3092@aol.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:09:00 2000 From: Bob Monday To: Popsracr@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: No BFG Contingency Let me see if I understand this: Even if you can win in spite of them, they won't help or pay. OK, I'VE GOT IT! =8-) Bob Monday Boys-R-Us Racing --- Popsracr@aol.com wrote: > No surprise to most folks. > > BFG told me (Renee) that there is no contingency or support truck for > > Nationals because they do not feel that they have the best product > available > at this time. There are efforts being made to improve the tire > compound. > > Jim __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:12:58 2000 From: The Narbys To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:46:55 -0500 Subject: Re: List Spam solution This is of course, aside from the group including me who don't care already. The noise to signal ratio on this list has always (in my experience) been incredibly high. Doug Narby 19DP Fiat X1/9 SoWeLa Region Eric Buckley wrote: > Chris, as another who has been at the center of a team.net flame war > (anybody remember the 1998 discussion on women's classes?), I can only say > that in a few months, nobody will care. > > Eric Buckley > 7 STR: 98 Integra GSR > St. Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:12:17 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: ejbuckley@earthlink.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:42:05 EDT Subject: Re: List Spam solution In a message dated 8/30/00 5:13:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ejbuckley@earthlink.net writes: << Chris, as another who has been at the center of a team.net flame war (anybody remember the 1998 discussion on women's classes?), I can only say that in a few months, nobody will care. Eric Buckley 7 STR: 98 Integra GSR >> Oh yes, I had forgot about that one! I think that flame war was running in tandem with my original "Team Laughing Stock" comments that sparked a Team.Net "Trench War" that lasted several weeks. So, Chris Hammond welcome to the club. Mark B. hasn't thrown me, Paul Foster, The Sipester, Adam Popp, Jon E.Prevo or that Kelly chick off the list yet?????? Mike B. TLS#1 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:14:25 2000 From: washburn To: Jon Rush Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:33:37 -0500 Subject: Re: BFG R1's? Jon Rush wrote: > > The Hot Rumor of a little while ago was that BFG was still producing the > R1s in the smaller diameters as rain tires. Have you checked with them? > Does anyone know if this is still true? > I beleive that they have been readily available in 13" sizes all year. PLW From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:17:59 2000 From: "Jeff Lloyd" To: "washburn" , "Jon Rush" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:36:31 -0400 Subject: RE: BFG R1's? I got the word from team T/A the end of last season that 230 "wets" were available in my size 245/45/16 and would be until the G-force "rain" tire was ready I have not heard of any rain tire yet PS. The 230 "wets" are identical to the old autocross compound 226's FYI But IMHO they can't compete with the new offerings from Hoosier and kumho If for nothing else the hoosiers make the car a world easier to drive, I am not a fan of the kumho But it has to do with my car setup and driving style Jeff Lloyd "Still the fastest non Miata in BS" -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of washburn Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 9:34 PM To: Jon Rush Cc: autox@autox.team.net Subject: Re: BFG R1's? Jon Rush wrote: > > The Hot Rumor of a little while ago was that BFG was still producing the > R1s in the smaller diameters as rain tires. Have you checked with them? > Does anyone know if this is still true? > I beleive that they have been readily available in 13" sizes all year. PLW From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:22:25 2000 From: Ross Fortini To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Warmups status (for Chris Hutsell) I wanted to update everyone on behalf of Chris Hutsell regarding the Nationals warmup events Sept 9th and 10th... Given the quick rate of entry, *both* days of warmups are full. Sunday's event was filled by August 9th. Chris is still working through the last of the Saturday entries but already has more entries "in queue" than remaining spaces. You can get on a waiting list by sending an entry without payment and showing up on the day of the event(s) to find out if you're in. In an effort to accomodate the increased demand, Sunday's entry cap was bumped from 180 to 200. And Saturday's entry cap was bumped from 200 to 250! ---> PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING THE WARMUPS...I'M AFRAID YOU NOW KNOW EVERYTHING I DO ABOUT THEM! <--- For more info, email Chris at cuthut@swbell.net (Note: I think a phone call is a less timely/efficient way of reaching her. She's lately been getting 45 messages each day!) *** _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:13:24 2000 From: Priebe17@gateway.net To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:00:48 EDT Subject: FS: 99 2.5RS I am selling my 99 Subaru 2.5RS. The car is immacculate!! I am only selling the 99 RS, because I bought serial #11, which is the one I will be running at Nationals. 27k, Silver/Charcoal, leather, carbon fiber (dash, e-brake, shift knob), gauge pack, air filtration system, air, sunroof, pw, pl, ps, abs, alarm, cd/tape (6 speaker audio), diff protector, side skirts painted (ala M3 style), and probably more I am leaving out. 16k FIRM is what I am asking for the car. I believe trade in is around 15.5-15.7k. --Brian Priebe From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:25:42 2000 From: "Talley, Brooks" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:23:51 -0700 Subject: RE: No BFG Contingency Bob Monday (if that really is his name) wrote: > Let me see if I understand this: Even if you can win in spite of them, > they won't help or pay. Sounds to me like they're afraid that people will put BFG logos on their cars in the hopes of getting the contingency, then BFG will look bad when those cars come in clumped at the bottom end of every class they're in. -b From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:30:50 2000 From: Mark Sirota To: "Burns"@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:54:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Gear Ratios Question "Burns, James B." wrote: > How do you decide which gear ratios are optimum for an autox? > Assuming a relatively low torque 4-cyl engine, is it better to have > lower gearing with closer ratios which requires more shifting, or is > it better to choose a ratio that allows most courses to be run > entirely in second gear (except for the start)? I can tell you what those of us who have completely free gearing do... First, there's a couple of issues to consider. (1) Do you really have complete freedom? If you're in Stock or SP, you're choosing between entire gearboxes, not individual gears. Thus, you might find one where the gap between 2nd and 3rd is absurdly large (so you'd want to try to stay in second), or one where first is absurdly short (so you'd want to row between 2nd and 3rd, or stay in 2nd). (2) Is the car easy to shift? Due to poor linkages, or engines or trannys that move too much, some cars can be tough to shift at some times. Thus, in such cars, you'd want to minimize shifts in order to minimize shifting errors. Also, note that due to gearbox internals, many cars are easier to shift between first and second than between second and third, since you have to switch to another shift fork on a 2-3 shift. Cars that are hard to shift into first are usually because there's a huge space between 1st and 2nd in terms of gear ratio. (3) Similarly, can the car be shifted quickly? Closer ratios always mean quicker shifts, since the gearbox shafts need less change of speed. But there are other issues. On cars that cannot be shifted quickly, you want to minimize shifts. If the ratios are well spaced and the car can be shifted easily and quickly, then I believe that shorter ratios are always faster. But some drivers still may not want to devote any of their precious attention span to shifting, and thus might still prefer to stay in 2nd. Next, how to choose ratios. First, decide how many gears you're going to want to use, based on the criteria above. To determine the spacing, calculate the rev drop when shifted at redline, or perhaps the percentage difference in each gear. Typically, if you're going to be using four gears (as I do), you want 3rd and 4th to be very close together, 2nd and 3rd to be slightly further apart, and 1st and 2nd to be further still. The idea is that when accelerating, each upshift results in a slightly smaller rev drop than the one before, because you'll need the additional power to overcome the additional drag experienced at speed. Also, you'd like your upper gears to be close enough to the ones below that if you do absolutely have to upshift, you might be able to get away without having to downshift again. Next, decide what your top speed needs to be. In the Formula Ford, it looks like that's around 80 mph. Choose your gearing such that top speed is reached at redline in top gear, then space the other gears according to the description above. Top speed for my car in each gear is 41, 54, 66, 81. > As a hypothetical (honest!) example, let's take a '99+ Miata being > prepped for CSP. By my calculations, top speed in gear with each combo, using a 225/45-13 (65.19" circumference): 5-speed, 4.300: 32 53 75 100 123 5-speed, 3.909: 35 58 83 110 135 6-speed, 3.909: 29 49 67 88 110 131 6-speed, 4.300: 27 44 61 80 100 119 So, a quick take on that is that with either 5-speed combination, you're still going to need 3rd gear sometimes. Given that, with the 4.3, at least you'll be much higher in the powerband when you're in 3rd. With the six speed, you're always going to need third gear, and you'd probably need 4th on some courses with the 4.300. If you believe you'll never be going more than 67 mph,the 3.909 looks like the better choice for final drive, given this tire size. As for the sense of the ratios, here's the rev drop -- or more accurately, the new speed in each gear after upshifting at 7000: 5-speed: 4214 4931 5263 5698 6-speed: 4224 5075 5349 5569 5901 So both have a good progression of gearing. The six speed is indeed a little closer than the five. With the 6-speed and the 4.3, second gear is short enough that you'd probably never need to go down to first, except for those crawl-around-at-idle-in-first-gear pin turns -- and the ratios are close enough that upshifting to first won't be that hard. Also, at high speed you'll be going between 3rd and 4th, which is probably easier than going between 2nd and 3rd since it's on the same shift gate. My personal pick, assuming an SP Miata can be shifted quickly and easily, would be the 6-speed with the 4.3 -- but then, I like rowing through the gears. Someone who wanted to do as little shifting as possible might go for the 5-speed and the 3.909, and use slightly larger tires, thus staying in second except for the slowest corners. If it turns out that top speed in a CSP Miata on fast courses (like the Devens NT and the NEDivs) is below 67, I might change my mind on that (or I might compromise with the 4.1 final drive). Normally I wouldn't want to make gearing adjustments with tire size. There are just too many benefits to a small tire... Mark From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:32:26 2000 From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:17:39 -0400 Subject: My Team.Net Pet Peeve Well, seeings as we're all venting.... - I can handle the occasional on-topic "commercial" post - I find Jean's tendancy to _immediately_ (like within 30 seconds) respond to any post that mentions an Evo school or instructor mildly amusing. - I've learned to deal with Linhoff's "I use the full text of War and Peace, (with annotations and glossary). as a .sig" signatures. - I've even developed a mental Kill File that does a pretty good job of filtering out the *incessent* stream of Paul Fosterisms But every time someone quotes the FREAKING FULL TEXT OF A MESSAGE AT THE BOTTOM OF A TWO LINE POST, I wanna jump in with both feet and start a-swingin' a 10kg LART. PLEASE, *PLEASE*, those of you who have not been around the 'net long enough to know that There Is No Cabal, the proper way to reply to a message is to trim down the quoted text to the absolute bare minimum required, like so: Joe Bloggins wrote: > Some pithy observation My counterpoint .sig NOT, I SAY AGAIN ****NOT**** Joe Bloggins wrote: My counterpoint > 100 lines of quoted message, 99 of which are > completely unrelated to the discussion at hand .sig YES, this requires a little more effort on your part. YES, you will have to master the elusive and highly technical art-jitsu of the "delete" key (or, if you are a little-endian, the "backspace" key) YES, this will require you to, on average, spend an additional 10 SECONDS preparing your post before sending it off for all of us to read. But the resultant savings in bandwidth, legibility (especially for Digest readers) and reduction in my blood pressure will do wonders for your Karma. Seriously! DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:32:10 2000 From: TP3092@aol.com To: solo2atlanta@topica.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:16:27 EDT Subject: Roomie needed in Kansas My codriver/room mate had to back out of going to nationals,I have a room at the Quality Inn on SW Wanamaker from friday night to thursday morning with an empty bed. looking to split the costs. call Tommy Pulliam 770/813/1891 or e-mail TP3092@aol.com From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:32:55 2000 From: Priebe17@gateway.net To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:00:48 EDT Subject: FS: 99 2.5RS I am selling my 99 Subaru 2.5RS. The car is immacculate!! I am only selling the 99 RS, because I bought serial #11, which is the one I will be running at Nationals. 27k, Silver/Charcoal, leather, carbon fiber (dash, e-brake, shift knob), gauge pack, air filtration system, air, sunroof, pw, pl, ps, abs, alarm, cd/tape (6 speaker audio), diff protector, side skirts painted (ala M3 style), and probably more I am leaving out. 16k FIRM is what I am asking for the car. I believe trade in is around 15.5-15.7k. --Brian Priebe From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:32:54 2000 From: "Brad Holliday" To: cashmo@spec-rx7.org Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:48:14 GMT Subject: 225/50-14 G-Forces >Apparently the G-Forces in my size are backordered. Does anyone have two >old R1's (225/50-14) they want to sell? I have eight G-Forces in your size. One set has 6 runs, the other set has 12 runs. These were used at last years Nationals on MR2's (bought a few weeks prior). Let me know if you're interested. Brad Holliday _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:32:33 2000 From: Bob Monday To: Popsracr@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: No BFG Contingency Let me see if I understand this: Even if you can win in spite of them, they won't help or pay. OK, I'VE GOT IT! =8-) Bob Monday Boys-R-Us Racing --- Popsracr@aol.com wrote: > No surprise to most folks. > > BFG told me (Renee) that there is no contingency or support truck for > > Nationals because they do not feel that they have the best product > available > at this time. There are efforts being made to improve the tire > compound. > > Jim __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:51:09 2000 From: The Narbys To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:46:55 -0500 Subject: Re: List Spam solution This is of course, aside from the group including me who don't care already. The noise to signal ratio on this list has always (in my experience) been incredibly high. Doug Narby 19DP Fiat X1/9 SoWeLa Region Eric Buckley wrote: > Chris, as another who has been at the center of a team.net flame war > (anybody remember the 1998 discussion on women's classes?), I can only say > that in a few months, nobody will care. > > Eric Buckley > 7 STR: 98 Integra GSR > St. Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:49:13 2000 From: washburn To: Jon Rush Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:33:37 -0500 Subject: Re: BFG R1's? Jon Rush wrote: > > The Hot Rumor of a little while ago was that BFG was still producing the > R1s in the smaller diameters as rain tires. Have you checked with them? > Does anyone know if this is still true? > I beleive that they have been readily available in 13" sizes all year. PLW From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:53:02 2000 From: Hottvr@aol.com To: ejbuckley@earthlink.net, autox@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:42:05 EDT Subject: Re: List Spam solution In a message dated 8/30/00 5:13:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ejbuckley@earthlink.net writes: << Chris, as another who has been at the center of a team.net flame war (anybody remember the 1998 discussion on women's classes?), I can only say that in a few months, nobody will care. Eric Buckley 7 STR: 98 Integra GSR >> Oh yes, I had forgot about that one! I think that flame war was running in tandem with my original "Team Laughing Stock" comments that sparked a Team.Net "Trench War" that lasted several weeks. So, Chris Hammond welcome to the club. Mark B. hasn't thrown me, Paul Foster, The Sipester, Adam Popp, Jon E.Prevo or that Kelly chick off the list yet?????? Mike B. TLS#1 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 01:54:53 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'dg50@daimlerchrysler.com'" , Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:38:10 -0700 Subject: RE: My Team.Net Pet Peeve I think if you put 17" wheels and a 6" tip on you Diamond Star with way to many stickers you are not allowed to be a minimalist. ;> lol Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com -----Original Message----- From: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:dg50@daimlerchrysler.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:18 PM To: autox@autox.team.net Subject: My Team.Net Pet Peeve Well, seeings as we're all venting.... - I can handle the occasional on-topic "commercial" post - I find Jean's tendancy to _immediately_ (like within 30 seconds) respond to any post that mentions an Evo school or instructor mildly amusing. - I've learned to deal with Linhoff's "I use the full text of War and Peace, (with annotations and glossary). as a .sig" signatures. - I've even developed a mental Kill File that does a pretty good job of filtering out the *incessent* stream of Paul Fosterisms But every time someone quotes the FREAKING FULL TEXT OF A MESSAGE AT THE BOTTOM OF A TWO LINE POST, I wanna jump in with both feet and start a-swingin' a 10kg LART. PLEASE, *PLEASE*, those of you who have not been around the 'net long enough to know that There Is No Cabal, the proper way to reply to a message is to trim down the quoted text to the absolute bare minimum required, like so: Joe Bloggins wrote: > Some pithy observation My counterpoint .sig NOT, I SAY AGAIN ****NOT**** Joe Bloggins wrote: My counterpoint > 100 lines of quoted message, 99 of which are > completely unrelated to the discussion at hand .sig YES, this requires a little more effort on your part. YES, you will have to master the elusive and highly technical art-jitsu of the "delete" key (or, if you are a little-endian, the "backspace" key) YES, this will require you to, on average, spend an additional 10 SECONDS preparing your post before sending it off for all of us to read. But the resultant savings in bandwidth, legibility (especially for Digest readers) and reduction in my blood pressure will do wonders for your Karma. Seriously! DG From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 02:24:21 2000 From: "Brad Holliday" To: cashmo@spec-rx7.org Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:48:14 GMT Subject: 225/50-14 G-Forces >Apparently the G-Forces in my size are backordered. Does anyone have two >old R1's (225/50-14) they want to sell? I have eight G-Forces in your size. One set has 6 runs, the other set has 12 runs. These were used at last years Nationals on MR2's (bought a few weeks prior). Let me know if you're interested. Brad Holliday _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 02:24:29 2000 From: "Brian Fitzpatrick" To: "autox" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:45:02 -0500 Subject: For sale: Kumho 255/40-17's I have a set of 4 never-mounted, Tirerack heat-cycled, Kumho 255/40-17's for sale. I bought them in case of a shortage, but now I don't need them. $560 plus shipping (from Omaha, NE) or can deliver to Topeka. Thanks, Brian Fitzpatrick From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 02:26:37 2000 From: "Brandon C. Fetch" To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:19:56 -0500 Subject: Re: My Team.Net Pet Peeve .sigg And what opinion does DC have about Replies? ;-) Lurk mode on Brandon DS 86 '99 Neon R/T ******************************************************************************* Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP ******************************************************************************* From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 02:27:22 2000 From: "Eric Buckley" To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:14:22 -0500 Subject: RE: List Spam solution I'm sure everybody is as tired of this thread as I am, and most will delete this without reading it. But for those who care... Arthur Emerson wrote: > I'm inclined to think that Mr. Hammond is just an excited > novice, and is trying to give something back to the sport that > he just discovered. If this is true, I'm sure that his > efforts would be more appreciated in dragging the cones out > to his local club's site. Team.Net isn't broken. While I agree that Chris could be a bit less vocal in his criticism of team.net, especially since he is using it to promote his own list, this is unfounded. Chris does his share of "dragging cones." I know this because I have to wait for him (and others) to drag them into the trailer before I can tow it away. As for team.net not being broken, I would say that this thread has demonstrated that it is, but SPAM ain't the problem. I enjoy it, flaws and all, but couldn't we be just a bit more civil? Chris, as another who has been at the center of a team.net flame war (anybody remember the 1998 discussion on women's classes?), I can only say that in a few months, nobody will care. Eric Buckley 7 STR: 98 Integra GSR St. Louis Region From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 07:15:22 2000 From: Kat Bryce To: "autox@autox.team.net" , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:57:19 -0400 Subject: To reverse Kumhos, or not to reverse, that is the Question. Our current sent of Kumho Victoracers have numerous events on them, yet seem to be holding there own. The outside edges have gotten quite rounded and it has been suggested that we have the tires turned on the wheels. In other words, turn the current inside tread to the outside. The tires still have the two center groves showing and there are tread blocks showing on the inside of the tire. No holes or flat spots in the tires. What words of wisdom, or not so wise comments does the list have on this subject? Your experiences will be greatly welcomed Kat Bryce BSL '00 Miata SP1 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 07:41:35 2000 From: "Hollis, Andy" To: "'autox@autox.team.net'" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:39:32 -0500 Subject: Tire Service at Nats ? So I know Hoosier will be at Nats for on-site sales/service. What about Kumho? Anybody know for sure? Please reply direct as I am on digest... --Andy From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 07:43:51 2000 From: William Loring To: "Ax List (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:44:20 -0600 Subject: Re: List Spam solution > From: "Eric Buckley" > > but couldn't we be just a bit more civil? Chris, you've been around here a while, I'm sure you already know that this just isn't possible. (grin) Civilly (and sarcastically), William Loring From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 07:45:22 2000 From: "Chris Teague" To: "Kat Bryce" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:49:55 -0700 Subject: Re: To reverse Kumhos, or not to reverse, that is the Question. Kat, I do that all the time for the front tires on my M3. This let's me use the tire a lot longer before cording. I have not found any side effects other than the hassle of getting them remounted. Chris Teague 97 M3/4 AS ----- Original Message ----- > Our current sent of Kumho Victoracers have numerous events on them, yet > seem to be holding there own. The outside edges have gotten quite > rounded and it has been suggested that we have the tires turned on the > wheels. In other words, turn the current inside tread to the outside. > > The tires still have the two center groves showing and there are tread > blocks showing on the inside of the tire. No holes or flat spots in the > tires. > > What words of wisdom, or not so wise comments does the list have on this > subject? Your experiences will be greatly welcomed > > Kat Bryce > BSL > '00 Miata SP1 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 07:58:30 2000 From: "Ron Bauer" To: "Kat Bryce" , , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:02:32 -0700 Subject: Re: To reverse Kumhos, or not to reverse, that is the Question. Go ahead and do it. At the beginning of the season, Kumho didn't have tires available in the size we needed for the S2000 so we used other peoples takeoffs and mounted them inside out. I was usually right there in the hunt at all of the events I went to (Tours and Pros.) My observation has been that there doesn't seem to be any downside (in fact I ran an event last year where the bonehead tire installer mounted one inside out and I didn't notice it until getting to the event. I still won the event) and the upsides are increased life, as well as having that square edge that helps the tire bite. Ron Bauer Y2K S2K (I think it's going to make it to Nats after all!) Team Butt Heat -----Original Message----- From: Kat Bryce To: autox@autox.team.net ; Miata List ; sunriders egroup Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 6:18 AM Subject: To reverse Kumhos, or not to reverse, that is the Question. >Our current sent of Kumho Victoracers have numerous events on them, yet >seem to be holding there own. The outside edges have gotten quite >rounded and it has been suggested that we have the tires turned on the >wheels. In other words, turn the current inside tread to the outside. > >The tires still have the two center groves showing and there are tread >blocks showing on the inside of the tire. No holes or flat spots in the >tires. > >What words of wisdom, or not so wise comments does the list have on this >subject? Your experiences will be greatly welcomed > >Kat Bryce >BSL >'00 Miata SP1 > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 07:59:09 2000 From: "Alistair Hastings" To: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:59:52 -0400 Subject: Re: To reverse Kumhos, or not to reverse, that is the Question. > > Outside edges have gotten quite > > rounded and it has been suggested that we have the tires turned on the > > wheels. In other words, turn the current inside tread to the outside. I've heard this is possible and have been wondering as well. But the tire tread looks asymmetrical to me, so wouldn't the reversed tires have different handling characteristics? The normal outside tread block is larger than the normal inside, correct? I've also heard reversed is the best way for rainy conditions. Any truth to this? Alistair Hastings alistair@imake.com 1982 Spec RX-7 1999 CSP Civic From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 08:04:20 2000 From: "Linnhoff, Eric" To: "'cp mailing list'" , "'autox'" , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:02:22 -0500 Subject: FW: A Summertime Bonus from Erebuni -----Original Message----- From: Erebuni [mailto:erebuni@sungift.com] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 4:27 AM To: Erebuni Subject: A Summertime Bonus from Erebuni Dear Loyal Visitor, * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * You've received this message because while signing up for other Erebuni offers, you asked to be notified of future promotions. * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * At Erebuni, we really appreciate your involvement with our site, and are delighted you've taken advantage of our Magazine Bonus.... As our valued participant, a gift subscription to GEAR Magazine has been reserved for you (while supplies last), compliments of Erebuni Corporation. To receive your gift subscription, visit this website: http://www.sungift.com/erebunigear Thanks again, and don't delay -- this offer is "while supplies last", Your friends @ Erebuni http://www.erebuni.net * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To be removed: Reply to this message with just the word "Remove" in the body. We will never trade or sell your e-mail address and we promise to honor all remove requests. * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 08:17:54 2000 From: "Ron Bauer" To: "Alistair Hastings" , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:21:44 -0700 Subject: Re: To reverse Kumhos, or not to reverse, that is the Question. Alistair Hastings asked.... >I've also heard reversed is the best way for rainy conditions. Any truth to >this? That's interesting. I've never heard that before. My take is that the Kumho when full tread is the best tire to have in the wet hands down (just ask all of the non Kumho people that ran in AS and BS last year......) I've never tried them inside out in the rain, so I can't answer that 100%, but wouldn't go out of my way to mount them that way for that purpose. Ron Bauer Y2K S2K Team Butt Heat From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 08:36:30 2000 From: "K.C. Babb" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Get your Nat'ls work done by Monday Need 1 worker to help with North course setup, Sunday after the warm-up event ends and Monday morning. Do that and you're done. No chasing cones in the 90-degree heat, or whatever else you'd do. Especially good for someone who is contemplating doing a Nationals design. Contact me directly. Sorry for the late notice, been having trouble with the home email (not to mention the bio-RAM). If you're already in a key position, don't bail on that. I'm looking for someone who can be pulled from a non-critical spot. Thanks! Karen Babb kcb4286@iasl.ca.boeing.com -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Copyright 2000, Karen Babb, BCA / ASL Boeing Employees' Autosports Club kcb4286@iasl.ca.boeing.com B-XT31 206-662-4937w m/s 19-MH My opinions are not Boeing's. Common sense isn't. RTFRB. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 08:39:01 2000 From: jac73@daimlerchrysler.com To: bsnake@usa.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:34:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Classing Question '99 Mustang Cobra Howdy, Brad. Sorry if I'm late 'cause I'm on the digest. The '99 Cobra is F Stock legal as long as the particular car is, well, Stock legal (shocks, cat-back exhaust, filter element in stock airbox, front sway bar, brake pads, fluids, stock-size (17x8 in this case) wheels with DOT tires), etc. Like the other Mustangs, it goes from FS to ESP when you start doing SP-level mods. That's where my '99 plays as it has wider than stock wheels (17x10) and camber-caster plates at the moment that are beyond Stock allowances. The class listings are found in Appendix A of the Solo II Rules, Stock Category prep rules are Section 13, Street Prepared prep rules are Section 14. Hope this is helpful, Jim Crider '99 Mustang Cobra #65 ESP From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 08:46:02 2000 From: rjohnson@friendlynet.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:43:16 -0500 Subject: RE: BFG R1 Rains JE>I got the word from team T/A the end of last season that 230 "wets" were JE>available in my size JE>245/45/16 and would be until the G-force "rain" tire was ready I have not JE>heard of any rain tire yet JE>PS. The 230 "wets" are identical to the old autocross compound 226's Jeff has been perpetuating this myth for some time now. These tires are NOT "identical to the 226's". They are NOT effective in anything except wet conditions. In the dry they are MUCH slower than the GForce R1 or the 230 tire. I have 4 of these in P255/50x16 with three runs on them for $200 +freight, should someone want to find this out for themselves. . . . . . . Roger (Ohio) Johnson 20 years as the BFG Poster Child From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 09:01:26 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: "'autox'" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:57:25 -0400 Subject: Re: neon FW: A Summertime Bonus from Erebuni Now THIS is spam..... 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From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 09:23:17 2000 From: Vince Bly To: "Team.Net" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:22:16 -0400 Subject: I'm coming to Kansas! 1> When are you arriving/leaving? 2> Where are you from? 3> Where are you staying? 4> What are you driving?/In what class? 5> When are you running? 6> And? From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 09:24:18 2000 From: Kevin McCormick To: "'Hollis, Andy'" , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:20:40 -0700 Subject: RE: Tire Service at Nats ? Hi Andy, Yep, Mike from CUT will be there with their trailer full o' Kumho's. (mounter, and I think balancer too...) Kevin McCormick > -----Original Message----- > From: Hollis, Andy [mailto:ahollis@origin.ea.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 6:40 AM > To: 'autox@autox.team.net' > Subject: Tire Service at Nats ? > > > So I know Hoosier will be at Nats for on-site sales/service. > > What about Kumho? Anybody know for sure? > > Please reply direct as I am on digest... > > --Andy > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 09:32:31 2000 From: Vince Bly To: "Team.Net" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:31:15 -0400 Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! At 11:22 PM 8/31/00 -0400, Vince Bly wrote: >1> When are you arriving/leaving? >2> Where are you from? >3> Where are you staying? >4> What are you driving?/In what class? >5> When are you running? >6> And? 1> I'm arriving on Thursday (the 7th) and leaving on Saturday (the 16th). 2> I'm from Springfield, VA 3> I'm staying at the Best Western Meadow Acres 4> I'm running a '93 Prelude in STS 5> I'm running the Pro on 9/10 and Nat's on 14/15 6> I'll try hard to get into the "wood" and have a good time along the way. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 10:29:19 2000 From: jon e prevo To: Hottvr@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:22:56 -0500 Subject: was: Re: List Spam solution now: TEST Just checking to make sure I haven't been thrown off! ;-) Jon FP 73 TCB Racing Datsun 260Z TLS #73 > So, Chris Hammond welcome to the club. Mark B. hasn't thrown me, > Paul Foster, > The Sipester, Adam Popp, Jon E.Prevo or that Kelly chick off the > list > yet?????? From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 10:51:49 2000 From: Don Miller To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Transporting a car cross USA Hi all, Looks like my mom is going to give me her 1985 RX-7 GSL-SE. Looking for recommendations on a car transporting company. Also approxiamate Rates from PA to ID. Thanks! Don Miller TLS#8 69 turbo V-6 Datsun Roadster Meridian, ID __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 10:58:13 2000 From: jon e prevo To: dg50@daimlerchrysler.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:51:42 -0500 Subject: Re: My Team.Net Pet Peeve What the hell is that?! you're not giving away sensitive corporate secrets are you? As in the new specialty tool pending a contract with Snap-On to sell to all prospective Chrysler techs for 4 times it's real value? "Also, Joe, the dealership will require you to purchase this special tool, a '10 kg LART,' to enable you to properly adjust this new Neon's muffler bearings." :-)Jon FP 73 TCB Racing Datsun 260Z TLS #73 On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:17:39 -0400 dg50@daimlerchrysler.com writes: > a-swingin' a 10kg LART. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 11:07:35 2000 From: Lloyd.Wilson@Alcan.Com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:35:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! --Boundary_(ID_EaJBVBhuT3u7hcmI44Uvqg) 1> Arriving Friday, 8th - Leaving Saturday, 16th 2> Aurora, IL 3> Capitol Plaza - headquarters 4> 93 Honda Prelude VTEC - #21 GS & #21 GSL 5> Tue/Wed 6> Looking to see if I can attain Paul Zimmerman's record of a top 5 finish ('98 & '99) in a Lude VTEC. Also this will be my wife's first Nationals - Marlo (Marco on the website, slight misspelling but it will be fun yelling Polo) --Boundary_(ID_EaJBVBhuT3u7hcmI44Uvqg)-- From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 11:22:29 2000 From: "Kevin Stevens" To: vbly@pop200.gsfc.nasa.gov, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:19:52 PDT Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! Y'know, I really hope to not have to wade through 1000 mini-bios, delete key or no... KeS >From: Vince Bly >Reply-To: Vince Bly >To: "Team.Net" >Subject: I'm coming to Kansas! >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:22:16 -0400 > >1> When are you arriving/leaving? >2> Where are you from? >3> Where are you staying? >4> What are you driving?/In what class? >5> When are you running? >6> And? > _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 11:22:26 2000 From: "Karl Rickert" To: vbly@pop200.gsfc.nasa.gov, autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:19:53 GMT Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! >From: Vince Bly 1> When are you arriving/leaving? Sept 8th-Sept 15th 2> Where are you from? Chattahoochee, FL 3> Where are you staying? Comfort Inn 4> What are you driving?/In what class? Alfa Spider - C-Stock 5> When are you running? Tuesday/Wednesday 6> And? JD Kemp is Co-driving! Direct link for DTN Donations via the Paypal system: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=alfakarl%40tds.net Snail Mail Address for DTN contributions: Karl Rickert 54 Barnes Ave Chattahoochee, FL 32324 Karl Rickert "AlfaKarl" Y2K Team.net DTN Dixie Region Asst Regional Executive Dixie Region Solo2 Chairman SEDiv Solo2 Registrar CS #38 Alfa Romeo Spider EP/GT4 Datsun 510 TLS #25 TLS Webmeister _________________________________________________________________________ Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 11:30:16 2000 From: BRUBEL51@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:28:02 EDT Subject: (no subject) You know you are in Kansas when: The best parking place is determined by shade instead of distance. Hot water now comes out of both taps. You can make instant sun tea. You learn that a seat belt makes a pretty good branding iron. The temperature drops below 95 and you feel a bit chilly. You discover that in July it takes only 2 fingers to drive your car. You discover that you can get sunburn through your car window. You actually burn your hand opening the car door. You break a sweat the instant you step outside at 7:30 a.m. before work. No one would dream of not having air conditioning. Your biggest bicycle wreck fear is, "What if I get knocked out and end up lying on the pavement and cook to death"? You realize that asphalt has a liquid state. The birds have to use potholders to pull worms out of the ground. The potatoes cook underground and all you have to do to have lunch is to pull one out and add butter, salt and pepper. Farmers are feeding their chickens crushed ice to keep them from laying hard boiled eggs. The cows are giving evaporated milk. The trees are whistlin' for the dogs. A sad Kansan once prayed, "I wish it would rain - not so much for me,cuz I've seen it, but for my 7-year old." 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Arriving: Friday for the Pro Leaving: Saturday after Nats From: Bridgewater, MA Driving: RX-7 in SS Running Thurs/Fri And: ********The car is For Sale************* Andy Bettencourt Vince Bly on 08/31/2000 11:22:16 PM Please respond to Vince Bly To: "Team.Net" cc: (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston) Subject: I'm coming to Kansas! 1> When are you arriving/leaving? 2> Where are you from? 3> Where are you staying? 4> What are you driving?/In what class? 5> When are you running? 6> And? From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 12:11:53 2000 From: Snapspinnr@aol.com To: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:08:33 EDT Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! I'm coming to Kansas and I am bringing an Air tank, Brake pads, Car, Driving shoes, etc...... :-) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 12:41:39 2000 From: "Phillip Osborne" To: "Vince Bly" , "Team.Net" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:47:21 -0400 Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:22 PM Subject: I'm coming to Kansas! > 1> When are you arriving/leaving?....arriving Wed. Sept 6 > 2> Where are you from?....Atlanta, soon to be Dallas, again.... > 3> Where are you staying?....Solo City > 4> What are you driving?/In what class?...86 Mustang in CP (#5) > 5> When are you running?...Tue/Wed > 6> And? Leaving Sat. AM after the Friday Banquet. More folks should stay and support those guys/gals who run Thurs/Fri. Come on, let's fill up the banquet room for these folks! Phil O. > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 13:03:57 2000 From: "Isley, Jason C." To: "'Vince Bly'" , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:01:45 -0700 Subject: RE: I'm coming to Kansas! Ok, now Vince and his cohorts know where your cars will be for a week as well as your empty homes.... That Vince guy is a shady character, I would not tell him anything. ;) lol Jason "RX7 KLR" Isley jason.isley@alltel.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince Bly [mailto:vbly@pop200.gsfc.nasa.gov] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:31 PM To: Team.Net Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! At 11:22 PM 8/31/00 -0400, Vince Bly wrote: >1> When are you arriving/leaving? >2> Where are you from? >3> Where are you staying? >4> What are you driving?/In what class? >5> When are you running? >6> And? 1> I'm arriving on Thursday (the 7th) and leaving on Saturday (the 16th). 2> I'm from Springfield, VA 3> I'm staying at the Best Western Meadow Acres 4> I'm running a '93 Prelude in STS 5> I'm running the Pro on 9/10 and Nat's on 14/15 6> I'll try hard to get into the "wood" and have a good time along the way. From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 13:04:39 2000 From: Arthur Emerson To: jon e prevo , dg50@daimlerchrysler.com Date: 31 Aug 00 15:01:52 EDT Subject: Re: [Re: My Team.Net Pet Peeve] jon e prevo wrote: > > What the hell is that?! A LART??? Luzer Attitude Readjustment Tool. A LART has no weight or mass. It's simply a flame e-mail that's so hot that it even melts asbestos gloves. A LART is usually delivered by a member of the cabal (TINC) to somebody who desperately needs it. No material known to man can protect you from a LART, including Nomex. A good LART has been known to melt the monitor of the recipient, and can't even be printed without spontaneously combusting. Obviously, Mr. Grant does not believe in the cabal (secret organization that runs the Internet) because he failed this question on his membership application. :-) The exact question on the top-secret cabal admissions test is: 36) A clueless newbie keeps posting advertisements for a competing web site to a public discussion forum. What is the appropriate response for the first-time offender? (A) LART (B) Black helicopters (C) An 8 foot clue-by-four (D) Use Cabal-Sat 7's x-ray camera to post naked pictures of the newbie to alt.sex.wanted.gay-and-bi The correct answer is "C". Education is the cabal's most important weapon, and there's nothing like a good clue-by-four to drive your point home. :-) If that doesn't work, then you move on to a LART, and finally dispatching the black helicopters. Cabal-Sat 7 is only to be used as a last resort, because the exhalted grand leader of the cabal gets cranky when he can't watch the dressing rooms on the Baywatch set. You can't make this stuff up..... :-) -Arthur ("Why isn't anybody voting for me to win in Topeka???" edition) ____________________________________________________________________ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 13:29:55 2000 From: Stan Whitney To: "Team.Net" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! 1> When are you arriving/leaving? Getting in Fri. nite for the Pro. 2> Where are you from? Grapevine, TX (Dallas, basically) 3> Where are you staying? Best Western Meadow acres - same room as last 3 yrs. 4> What are you driving?/In what class? '90 miata in DP and DPL, '98 durango in Tow vehicle class, bicycle everywhere else. 5> When are you running? Tues/south, Wed North - 2nd heat and 4th heat (I think) 6> And? Bringing Honda parts, miata parts, bicycle parts, trailer parts, truck parts, cooler parts... you get the picture :) Paula and Stan Whitney __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 14:00:37 2000 From: Mike Bultemeier To: Vince Bly Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:51:01 -0500 Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! Vince Bly wrote: > 1> When are you arriving/leaving? Saturday the > 9th/Saturday the 16th > 2> Where are you from? Blue Springs > Missouri > 3> Where are you staying? Capitol Plaza > 4> What are you driving?/In what class? March-Apache Sports > 2000/CM > 5> When are you running? Thursday/Friday > 6> And? Try to > win a trophy Mike Bultemeier 99cm TLS#1 > > Kinser From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 14:55:18 2000 From: "Brad Snakenberg" To: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:50:46 -0400 Subject: WTB - Miata AutoX Stuff Wanted I'm getting my 92 ready for autocross and am looking for a good deal on the following parts: Stock Alloy 14x5.5" rims 4-point roll bar (SCCA-approved preferred) Used R-compound autocross tires to get started with (Hoosiers or Kumhos preferred) I've been watching ebay, miata.net, classifieds2000 Thanks Brad Snakenberg '92 Miata b-pkg White bsnake@usa.net Crownsville, MD From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 14:59:29 2000 From: "Paul Zahornasky" To: "Team.Net" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:57:03 -0400 Subject: RE: I'm coming to Kansas! Paul Zahornasky: 1> Arriving Sunday, Leaving Saturday after Nats 2> Haverhill, MA (North of Boston) 3> Staying in Solo City 4> Driving an Van Diemen in CM 5> Thurs/Fri 6> Hope I'm rid of these stupid crutches by then. (Never let a FF rear tire catch you when you are pushing the car to Grid) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 15:21:04 2000 From: "Murray, Matthew D." To: Teamdotnet Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:17:00 -0400 Subject: I-80 or I-70, least amount of constructi I've heard that I-70 has more construction than usual. Does anyone who traverses this on a regular basis, know if I-80 is any better? This would be Connecticut to Kansas. Thanks in advance. Matt Murray mattm@optonline.net From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 15:44:10 2000 From: "Mr. DSM" To: Vince Bly Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! 1> Arriving on Friday for ProSolo - Leaving on Thursday 2> Wakefield, Mass 3> Quality Inn 4> 95 Eagle Talon AWD - #34 ESP 5> Tuesday/Wednesday - 1st heat 6> Can't wait for those low 60s and 75% of rain on Tueasday/Wednesday! Fedja 95 AWD #34 ESP _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 16:03:08 2000 From: jon e prevo To: MrDSM@excite.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:56:52 -0500 Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:41:43 -0700 (PDT) "Mr. DSM" writes: > 6> Can't wait for those low 60s and 75% of rain on > Tueasday/Wednesday! Okay, someone tell me Fedja is a meteorologist and I WILL be in Topeka next week! This heat is ridiculous! Phil O., do you REALLY think you want to come back? Chattanooga is pretty nice. Jon FP 73 TCB Racing Datsun 260Z TLS #73 From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 16:19:17 2000 From: "Scot Zediker" To: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:15:48 -0700 Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! Okay, I'll bite... 1> When are you arriving/leaving? Sept 11/Sept 14 2> Where are you from? San Jose, CA 3> Where are you staying? Quality Inn 4> What are you driving?/In what class? '91 Miata/C Stock 5> When are you running? Tuesday/Wednesday 6> And? I'm getting married in Lake Tahoe on the way to Nats! Scot From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 17:13:42 2000 From: "Greg" To: "Vince Bly" , "Team.Net" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:13:24 -0700 Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! > 1> When are you arriving/leaving?-- I will be at the event Tues/Wed. > 2> Where are you from? --Lawrence KS, work in Topeka. > 3> Where are you staying?-- Home (had to rub that in.) > 4> What are you driving?/In what class?-- 92 Mazda MX3 GS V6/in ES > 5> When are you running?-- Tues/Wed > 6> And?-- Hope to beat some of the 13 Celicas in my class! From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 17:27:42 2000 From: jon e prevo To: dan@mazdasouth.com, justjoe@onramp.net, streldoc@aol.com, Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:19:00 -0500 Subject: Fw: FW: Car for sale? Check it out! Now is there room for an autocross course on that island or what? I KNOW I could have gotten 3rd in that car a few times! How about you? Jon --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "PREVO, TAMMY" To: "'tcbracer@juno.com'" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:24:28 -0700 Subject: FW: Car for sale? Message-ID: <2F3D97D9D8C6D2118BA30001FAD4CBD40CD49D48@hoxsv053.safeco.com> Heh heh... this gives a whole new meaning to "telecommuting." http://mitchka.home.mindspring.com/carforsale.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 18:11:58 2000 From: "Rick Brown" To: "jon e prevo" , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:08:09 -0700 Subject: Re: FW: Car for sale? LOL, looks like a government thing, get VW Golf when a Golf Cart would do........ Rick Brown FP 240Z Subject: Fw: FW: Car for sale? > Check it out! Now is there room for an autocross course on that island > or what? I KNOW I could have gotten 3rd in that car a few times! How > about you? > > Jon > http://mitchka.home.mindspring.com/carforsale.html > > > > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 18:23:45 2000 From: "Paul Zahornasky" To: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:21:02 -0400 Subject: RE: FW: Car for sale? You could fit an autox course, but the penalty for an off course might be a little steep. (Literally) -----Original Message----- From: owner-autox@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of jon e prevo Check it out! Now is there room for an autocross course on that island or what? I KNOW I could have gotten 3rd in that car a few times! How about you? Jon --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "PREVO, TAMMY" To: "'tcbracer@juno.com'" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:24:28 -0700 Subject: FW: Car for sale? Message-ID: <2F3D97D9D8C6D2118BA30001FAD4CBD40CD49D48@hoxsv053.safeco.com> Heh heh... this gives a whole new meaning to "telecommuting." http://mitchka.home.mindspring.com/carforsale.html From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 18:41:08 2000 From: "Brandon C. Fetch" To: tcbracer@juno.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:41:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Fw: FW: Car for sale? Now, wouldn't this count as spam on team.net? ;-) *duck and cover* Brandon DS86 '99 Neon R/T tcbracer@juno.com on 08/31/2000 06:31:31 PM Please respond to tcbracer@juno.com@Internet To: dan@mazdasouth.com@Internet, justjoe@onramp.net@Internet, streldoc@aol.com@Internet, sbrude@email.msn.com@Internet, stangster_87@yahoo.com@Internet, psosborn@gte.net@Internet, jkinser77@aol.com@Internet, rfranzoni@yahoo.com@Internet, cmdaugherty@tyler.net@Internet, engstrom@onramp.net@Internet, huffines03@earthlink.net@Internet, james.hollinsworth@hds.com@Internet, chasm32@hotmail.com@Internet, raceangel@earthlink.net@Internet, johnewilliams@worldnet.att.net@Internet, garyk98@home.com@Internet, tavandy1@airmail.net@Internet, cmburns@gte.net@Internet, racechick@home.com@Internet, protape@cyberramp.net@Internet, racer@autocross.com@Internet, gerry.terranova@autocross.com@Internet, seadentx@aol.com@Internet, tholt@ccsi.com@Internet, members@zcluboftexas.org@Internet, autox@autox.team.net@Internet cc: Subject: Fw: FW: Car for sale? Check it out! Now is there room for an autocross course on that island or what? I KNOW I could have gotten 3rd in that car a few times! How about you? Jon --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "PREVO, TAMMY" To: "'tcbracer@juno.com'" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:24:28 -0700 Subject: FW: Car for sale? Message-ID: <2F3D97D9D8C6D2118BA30001FAD4CBD40CD49D48@hoxsv053.safeco.com> Heh heh... this gives a whole new meaning to "telecommuting." http://mitchka.home.mindspring.com/carforsale.html ******************************************************************************* Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Ernst & Young LLP ******************************************************************************* From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 18:41:08 2000 From: "Rick Brown" To: "jon e prevo" , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:38:23 -0700 Subject: Re: FW: Car for sale? Also, if you look at the upper right area, the dirt kinda looks like they were driving it around and jumping it over the little gully there :-) Rick Brown FP 240Z > Check it out! Now is there room for an autocross course on that island > or what? I KNOW I could have gotten 3rd in that car a few times! How > about you? > > Jon > > http://mitchka.home.mindspring.com/carforsale.html > > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 18:44:49 2000 From: "Su Brude" To: "Team. net" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:50:33 -0500 Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! Subject: I'm coming to Kansas! 1> When are you arriving/leaving? Fri, 8th -> Sat, 16th 2> Where are you from? Dallas, TX (I don't care how many days it has been since I have seen rain. NO RAIN please) 3> Where are you staying? Capitol Plaza 4> What are you driving?/In what class? '00 Corvette Fixed Roof Coupe, BSPL #62 5> When are you running? Thur/Fri (why 1st heat again?) 6> And? Thanks Jim for letting me drive your car AND The RX is STILL For Sale!! Let me know & I will deliver to Nationals From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 18:56:54 2000 From: "Chris Teague" To: , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:01:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Classing Question '99 Mustang Cobra So is the 99 or 00 Cobra a good car to have in FS, or are there others that are more competitive, i.e, what's the hot tip in FS today? Chris Teague > > The '99 Cobra is F Stock legal as long as the particular car is, well, > Stock legal (shocks, cat-back exhaust, filter element in stock airbox, > front sway bar, brake pads, fluids, stock-size (17x8 in this case) wheels > with DOT tires), etc. > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 18:59:04 2000 From: TP3092@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:57:05 EDT Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! FOR TO LONG!!!!! In a message dated 8/31/00 7:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, greno@sunflower.com writes: << > 1> When are you arriving/leaving?--friday night-thursday morning > 2> Where are you from? -- Duluth(Atlanta)GA > 3> Where are you staying?-- Quality Inn on Wanimaker > 4> What are you driving? Black 2000 Chevy Z28 > 5> When are you running?- Tue-Wen 2nd heat north > 6> And?-- I'm going to try not to loose my mind hanging out with the nutty F-stock guys. Tommy Pulliam From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 19:08:27 2000 From: TeamZ3@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net, solo2atlanta@topica.com, BuccaneerAutoX@egroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:06:12 EDT Subject: SEDiv Solo2 Event Announcement The BFGoodrich Team T/A SEDiv Solo2 Championship Series would like to announce that the Atlanta Region will be hosting a Divisional Solo2 event on November 10 & 11 at Turner Field in downtown Atlanta, GA. For those of you not familiar with the site, it is an asphalt parking lot at the Atlanta Braves stadium. November weather in Atlanta is very pleasant and should make for a very comfortable event. The Evolution Performance Driving School will proceed the event on Friday, Nov. 9, and Evolution will also be hosting the free on-site lunches for both Saturday and Sunday. The Edwards & Edwards Consulting PAX Rookie Challenge will also be available for all first-year divisional rookies. Further details will be provided at a later date, but go ahead and mark your calendars.\: Nov. 10 - 11, Turner Field, Atlanta, GA We are still in negotiations for a 3rd SEDiv Solo2 event later this fall and will make an announcement once we lock in on a place and date. Since we historically haven't had too many divisional events after Nationals I'd like to point out that these events will pre-qualify you for the 2001 Nationals Championship. Mark Sipe SEDiv Solo2 Steward From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 19:41:05 2000 From: washburn To: Vince Bly Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:37:04 -0500 Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! Vince Bly wrote: > > 1> Arriving Monday night; leaving Thursday AM. > 2> I am from Wausau, WI > 3> In the Great White Bus - Solo City > 4> DS Neon > 5> Tue/Wed > 6> And what?! Just kidding...fourth trip for me and the last run for the Cow Car. If I finish where I expect to, I have a large pack of auto related excuses all ready to spew at the drop of a hat to anyone willing to listen. See everyone there! Don't forget to have fun!! Pat Washburn From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 20:19:22 2000 From: "Williams" To: , , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:08:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments ATTENTION ALL DSers working the CP heat. Turbo Toddie is gonna be there, and he's loaded for bear. Look up when you here the whistle and swoosh. that's him. Lotsa heat, rubber, oil, and smoke, just no noise! Bryan Williams Beer Money Racing Wishing I could be there -----Original Message----- From: Jkinser77@aol.com To: elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org ; deleon@sstar.com Cc: autox@autox.team.net Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Work schedules, was:exchange assignments >In a message dated 8/28/00 7:08:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >elinnhoff@smmc.saint-lukes.org writes: > ><< > Damn, we DSers have to work the CP heat. _That's_ gonna be a looooong heat. > Lotsa noise, heat, rubber, oil and smoke. >> > >But you will be entertained- > >Jean > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 20:49:47 2000 From: John Lieberman To: Vince Bly Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:47:42 -0500 Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! OK, Vince. I'm in!! > 1> When are you arriving/leaving? - Sunday evening/Saturday morning > 2> Where are you from? - Shreveport, LA > 3> Where are you staying? - Motel 6 @ SW Wannamaker & I-470 > 4> What are you driving?/In what class? - 1965 White Austin Mini/DP 37 > 5> When are you running? - 2nd heat Tuesday/Wednesday > 6> And? - And, I expect to finish DFL in DP - just like I did in 1998! But I also plan to have as much fun as humanly possible while I'm there and gross everybody out with my off-key singing(?) at the Thursday night talent show. And, I promise - no 10-minute-long Cajun jokes this year!!! 8<{) John (Old Fartz & TLS #37) Lieberman From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 20:55:45 2000 From: "John A. Carriere" To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:44:39 -0400 Subject: RE: I'm coming to Kansas! 1> Arriving Saturday PM, Leaving Saturday AM after Nats 2> Ann Arbor, MI 3> Senate Luxo Suites 4> Driving an '86 vintage yellow Corvette with 4000 easy miles on it in SS 5> Thurs/Fri 6> Hoping to get in on Sunday's Warm-up, tire-warmer for the CarNut the Magnificent, hoping to see a lot of friends. JACircuits Autocross Timing Systems http://www.mich.com/~jacircts - Timing the SCCA Solo II Nationals since 1985 *********** From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 21:01:11 2000 From: "Dan Gamble" To: "Team.Net" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:51:18 -0500 Subject: Tires and wheels for Civic I've got a set of 6X15 Koenig J-Spec wheels from my 99 Civic Si $250 Like new. 7, 205-50X15 G-Forces & 4, 205-50X15 Kumhos all about half tread. Finish out the season for $300. Tires and Wheels $525, You pay ship or pick up in Tulsa. Dan Gamble 918-494-2462 wk days 918-396-0566 evenings and wk end ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 21:23:39 2000 From: MeRacinGal@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:20:55 EDT Subject: I guess I'm coming to Kansas, too! > 1> When are you arriving/leaving? 8th - 16th > 2> Where are you from? Plano (Dallas), Texas > 3> Where are you staying? Ramada Inn and Tower-Downtown > 4> What are you driving?/In what class? '89 Crossle FF / 96 CML (but, only because Bruce has a co-driver this year.) > 5> When are you running? Thurs / Fri, last heat of both days. > 6> And? And...I'm really hoping I don't get asked to leave the class again this year just because I didn't run the car all year. PS...I did register for this class this year. Can't we all just get along??? I am bringing a car that hopefully won't break on me this year! Smile Everyone! Jane Willis :-) From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 21:31:07 2000 From: "Steve Wynveen" To: "Team.Net" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:32:16 -0500 Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! 1> When are you arriving/leaving? Sun. early afternoon/Sat. AM 2> Where are you from? Germantown (Milwaukee), WI 3> Where are you staying? Fairfield Inn 4> What are you driving?/In what class? Vintage Red 1994 RX-7 R2 in SS 5> When are you running? Thurs/Fri 6> And? Its my first trip to Nat's! I'd be ecstatic to place anywhere above mid-pack. Big thanks to all those that have given valuable driving and set-up help over the last 1.5 yrs. In particular: Jean Kinser/McKamey School folks, Tom Kotzian, Erik Strelnieks, Bob Clark, Jim Crawford, and especially Chris Dvorak. Boy, do I sound like a Nascar driver or what? ________________________________________________________ Steve Wynveen From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 22:02:16 2000 From: Jeff Cashmore To: "team.net" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:58:21 -0500 Subject: Oscoda BFG results http://www.spec-rx7.org/~cashmo/cendiv/2000/result6.prn has results from the last BFG event at Oscoda, MI. Concrete, fast courses and a little rain here and there. The Tirerack may be temporarily out of G-Force's but BFG - Team T/A has plenty. Jeff From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 22:12:04 2000 From: "Matt Murray" To: "Teamdotnet" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:08:32 -0400 Subject: Ride needed for Sunday Warm-up I'm in need of an autocross ride for the Sunday warm-up. Can anyone help? Matt Murray mattm@optonline.net From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 22:20:50 2000 From: "Ron Bauer" To: "Murray, Matthew D." , Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:24:11 -0700 Subject: Re: I-80 or I-70, least amount of constructi Also, the same information coming from the west would be good too! Ron Bauer Y2K S2K Team Butt Heat -----Original Message----- From: Murray, Matthew D. To: Teamdotnet Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 2:21 PM Subject: I-80 or I-70, least amount of constructi >I've heard that I-70 has more construction than usual. Does anyone who >traverses this on a regular basis, know if I-80 is any better? > >This would be Connecticut to Kansas. > >Thanks in advance. > >Matt Murray > >mattm@optonline.net > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 22:33:35 2000 From: Scott Knight To: Teamdotnet Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 00:31:11 -0400 Subject: Re: I-80 or I-70, least amount of constructi http://www.1800drivers.com/RWADirect.HTML -- Scott Knight mailto:scott@scottknight.com http://www.scottknight.com/ IRC:SS396man '00 White Grand Prix GTP '95 Black Impala SS '94 Ducati 900SS CR From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 22:41:55 2000 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ".Team.Net" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:38:20 -0500 Subject: 405, the movie I checked it out. It's cool. Jeep as nosewheel for DC10. --Rocky -----Original Message----- From: John Shults Cc: wheeltowheel@wheeltowheel.com ; 'rally-l' Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:49 PM Subject: 405, the movie >Check out http://www.405themovie.com/ > > >John Shults - (©¿©) >jss@shults.com >http://www.shults.com >23864 Sycamore Dr. >Mission Viejo, CA 92691 >949-768-2609 voice >949-768-2670 fax >SCCA SoPac Rally Safety Steward >SDC Rally Racing Team - www.SDCRALLY.com > From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 22:54:51 2000 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ".Team.Net" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:51:15 -0500 Subject: Goin' to Topeka Due to an overload of things, both family and business, I will not be doing the "Goin' to Topeka" thingy this year. If people want to post that they are going, that'd still be nice, but I just do not have the capability to compile them all as I have the past several years and post them in Information. In fact, because I was away, I was off Team.Net for the past week. On the off chance anyone posted anything or asked anything they might have expected me to see and/or respond to, send it to me again privately. Otherwise, see you in Topeeekie! I'll be there with my ageless Spitfire (#4 DP). Staying at my usual haunt, the Raceway Inn. Who's the DTN this year? --Rocky Entriken From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 23:33:52 2000 From: Davard@aol.com To: autox@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:53:56 EDT Subject: Room available Due to a change in travel plans, I won't be going to Nationals this year. I have a reservation for 2 queens beds, non-smoking, at the Motel 6 NW on Fairview for the entire week @ $45.99/night. I don't know if Travelocity will let me change the reservation or not. I didn't want to cancel the reservation without giving someone else a chance to pick it up. Email me if you're interested. David Avard From autox-owner@autox.team.net Thu Aug 31 23:40:57 2000 From: "Pat Griffith" To: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:28:22 -0500 Subject: Re: I'm coming to Kansas! 1> When are you arriving/leaving? Arriving Saturday, leaving Wednesday or Thursday 2> Where are you from? Alexandria, VA 3> Where are you staying? Don't know yet 4> What are you driving?/In what class? '96 Kraus Camaro/FS 5> When are you running? Tues-Wed 6> And? Flying in after my 94-day "vacation" in beautiful Saudia Arabia. This will be my first autocross since the Petersburg Pro. Men wearing dresses or thongs makes me ill. Pat Griffith