Subject: Re: [6pack] 6pack Digest, Vol 93, Issue 2

From: Mitchel Seff <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 16:02:27 -0500

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">&nbsp;Bought my first TR6, a 69 in 1971 sol=
d it a a couple of years later. Then my second was a 71, I kept that a coupl=
e of years and bought my first new car, a 1973 240Z. I had that car 15 years=
. Modified it and Tracked it at BridgeHampton as well as autoX. Truly loved t=
hat car.solid, quiet and comfortable. But somehow when it was time to buy an=
other sports car, the triumph was the car choice. I=E2=80=99ve had this one f=
or 25 years and still smitten. A couple of pictures attached.<div><img alt=3D=
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"ltr">Mitch Seff</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 6=
, 2023, at 9:24 AM, Jim Hurley &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></bl=
ockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div>A big draw back for the Datsun was the lack of a soft top.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Jim Hurley</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><=
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Today's Topics:<br>
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&nbsp; &nbsp;1. Re: [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z (Alex &amp; Janet Thomson)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;2. Re: [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z (Robert Rochlin)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 20:53:43 -0500<br>
From: "Alex &amp; Janet Thomson" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: "'Bob'" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">y=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, "'six<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; pack'" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z<br>
t" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">charter.net</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
And, if you can't find a good used frame, there is always the option of a<br=
new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! That is definitely an<br>
advantage of an "old technology" frame/body car.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Alex Thomson<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: 6pack [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] On Behalf Of Bob<br>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2023 9:45 AM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@au=
tox.team.net</a>; six pack<br>
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads covered<br=
with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton of time<br>=

cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the end it<b=
r>
was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his frame<br>
strengthening kit.&nbsp; The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had one a=
nd it<br>
basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame shop and they<=
br>
couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore it. At least on<b=
r>
the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and pick up one in=
<br>
decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc. <br>
<br>
I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see quite=
<br>
a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine were the<br>=

carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted&nbsp; a pair on my 72 as I was n=
ot a<br>
fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 years. <br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave northrup wrote:<br>
<br>
Or, as they would say in England, TR6 vs 240 Zed<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Fun article<br>
<br>
<br>
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ph-tr6-battle-america?utm_source=3Dsfmc" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 07:23:37 -0400<br>
From: Robert Rochlin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
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Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z<br>
st.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;<br>
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&nbsp; &nbsp;Back in the early 70?s I had two successive 240 Z cars.&nbsp; T=
he first one was a 1972 before emissions equipment, it went like hell and wa=
s dependable and durable.&nbsp; I drove that one until the body was so compr=
omised from New England winters that I had to give it up. I made the mistake=
 of then buying a 1974 TR6 with emission controls. It was a dog comprehend t=
o the 1972.&nbsp; As it happens, I have a brochure reprint of a head to head=
 comparison of the TR6 and the 240 Z originally done by Road and Track.&nbsp=
; The advantage went to the 240 Z when speed picked up and aerodynamics came=
 into play. I?m away now, but when I get home I?ll make a PDF of the brochur=
e and post it to the list.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Best,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bob<br>
<br>
&gt; On Feb 5, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; And, if you can?t find a good used frame, there is always the option of=
 a new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! That is definitely an adv=
antage of an ?old technology? frame/body car.<br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; Alex Thomson<br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; From: 6pack [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt;] On Behalf Of Bob<br>
&gt; Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2023 9:45 AM<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triump=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; six pack<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z<br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads cover=
ed with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton of time c=
utting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the end it wa=
s more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his frame strengtheni=
ng kit.&nbsp; The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had one and it basic=
ally fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame shop and they could=
nt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore it. At least on the 6,=
 if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and pick up one in decen=
t shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see q=
uite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine were th=
e carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted&nbsp; a pair on my 72 as I was=
 not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 years. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Bob<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave northrup wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Or, as they would say in England, TR6 vs 240 Zed<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt; Fun article<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp; <br>
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My first sports car was a =E2=80=9873 Datsun 240Z that I bought in 1975, a =
couple
years after graduating college. I lived in San Francisco and wanted a car
that was cool and reliable. What I really wanted was a TR6 or TR250 -
common sites in the City - but reliability drove the decision. I later also
had a 1985 Nissan 300Z 2+2, both this one and the 240 were great cars; fun
to drive and very reliable.

Finally, when our mini-van phase of life collided with my mid-life crisis,
I bought a white 1975 TR6. I=E2=80=99ve owned this car for almost 23 years =
and have
rebuilt/restored every part of it. I love this car. I also have a =E2=80=98=
68
Camaro and a 2003 Corvette, but I seem to drive the TR the most. There=E2=
=80=99s
just something about driving a (comparatively) slow car fast. Here=E2=80=99=
s a
picture.

Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 2:22 AM Mitchel Seff <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  Bought my first TR6, a 69 in 1971 sold it a a couple of years later. The=
n
> my second was a 71, I kept that a couple of years and bought my first new
> car, a 1973 240Z. I had that car 15 years. Modified it and Tracked it at
> BridgeHampton as well as autoX. Truly loved that car.solid, quiet and
> comfortable. But somehow when it was time to buy another sports car, the
> triumph was the car choice. I=E2=80=99ve had this one for 25 years and st=
ill
> smitten. A couple of pictures attached.
>
> Mitch Seff
>
> On Feb 6, 2023, at 9:24 AM, Jim Hurley <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> A big draw back for the Datsun was the lack of a soft top.
>
> Jim Hurley
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 7:40 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>>    1. Re: [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z (Alex & Janet Thomson)
>>    2. Re: [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z (Robert Rochlin)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 20:53:43 -0500
>> From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <[email-masked]>
>> To: "'Bob'" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>, "'six
>>         pack'" <[email-masked]>
>> Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z
>> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"
>>
>> And, if you can't find a good used frame, there is always the option of =
a
>> new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! That is definitely an
>> advantage of an "old technology" frame/body car.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex Thomson
>>
>>
>>
>> From: 6pack [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2023 9:45 AM
>> To: [email-masked]; six pack
>> Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z
>>
>>
>>
>> Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads covere=
d
>> with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton of time
>> cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the end =
it
>> was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his frame
>> strengthening kit.  The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had one an=
d
>> it
>> basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame shop and
>> they
>> couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore it. At least =
on
>> the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and pick up on=
e
>> in
>> decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc.
>>
>> I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see
>> quite
>> a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine were the
>> carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted  a pair on my 72 as I was no=
t
>> a
>> fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 years.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave northrup wrote:
>>
>> Or, as they would say in England, TR6 vs 240 Zed
>>
>>
>>
>> Fun article
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.classicandsportscar.com/features/datsun-240z-vs-triumph-tr6-=
batt
>> le-america?utm_source=3Dsfmc
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-battle-america?utm_source=3Dsfmc>
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>> From: Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]>
>> To: Triumphs <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked]"
>>         <[email-masked]>
>> Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z
>> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
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>>    Back in the early 70?s I had two successive 240 Z cars.  The first on=
e
>> was a 1972 before emissions equipment, it went like hell and was dependa=
ble
>> and durable.  I drove that one until the body was so compromised from Ne=
w
>> England winters that I had to give it up. I made the mistake of then buy=
ing
>> a 1974 TR6 with emission controls. It was a dog comprehend to the 1972. =
 As
>> it happens, I have a brochure reprint of a head to head comparison of th=
e
>> TR6 and the 240 Z originally done by Road and Track.  The advantage went=
 to
>> the 240 Z when speed picked up and aerodynamics came into play. I?m away
>> now, but when I get home I?ll make a PDF of the brochure and post it to =
the
>> list.
>>         Best,
>>         Bob
>>
>> > On Feb 5, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson <
>> [email-masked]> wrote:
>> >
>> > And, if you can?t find a good used frame, there is always the option o=
f
>> a new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! That is definitely an
>> advantage of an ?old technology? frame/body car.
>> >
>> > Alex Thomson
>> >
>> [email-masked]>] On Behalf Of Bob
>> > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2023 9:45 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z
>> >
>> > Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads
>> covered with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton=
 of
>> time cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the
>> end it was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his fram=
e
>> strengthening kit.  The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had one an=
d
>> it basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame shop an=
d
>> they couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore it. At
>> least on the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and p=
ick
>> up one in decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc.
>> >
>> > I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see
>> quite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine we=
re
>> the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted  a pair on my 72 as I wa=
s
>> not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 years.
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> > On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave northrup wrote:
>> >> Or, as they would say in England, TR6 vs 240 Zed
>> >>
>> >> Fun article
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://www.classicandsportscar.com/features/datsun-240z-vs-triumph-tr6-=
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<div dir=3D"auto">My first sports car was a =E2=80=9873 Datsun 240Z that I =
bought in 1975, a couple years after graduating college. I lived in San Fra=
ncisco and wanted a car that was cool and reliable. What I really wanted wa=
s a TR6 or TR250 - common sites in the City - but reliability drove the dec=
ision. I later also had a 1985 Nissan 300Z 2+2, both this one and the 240 w=
ere great cars; fun to drive and very reliable.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">Finally, when our mini-van phase of life collided w=
ith my mid-life crisis, I bought a white 1975 TR6. I=E2=80=99ve owned this =
car for almost 23 years and have rebuilt/restored every part of it. I love =
this car. I also have a =E2=80=9868 Camaro and a 2003 Corvette, but I seem =
to drive the TR the most. There=E2=80=99s just something about driving a (c=
omparatively) slow car fast. Here=E2=80=99s a picture.</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Bob Fabie</div><div dir=3D"auto">Fredericksb=
urg, VA</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div><img src=3D=
"cid:186503c1568d7fa861b4" style=3D"max-width: 100%;"></div><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 2:22 AM Mitchel Seff &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb=
(204,204,204)"><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Bought my first TR6, a 69 in 1971 so=
ld it a a couple of years later. Then my second was a 71, I kept that a cou=
ple of years and bought my first new car, a 1973 240Z. I had that car 15 ye=
ars. Modified it and Tracked it at BridgeHampton as well as autoX. Truly lo=
ved that car.solid, quiet and comfortable. But somehow when it was time to =
buy another sports car, the triumph was the car choice. I=E2=80=99ve had th=
is one for 25 years and still smitten. A couple of pictures attached.<div><=
img alt=3D"image0.jpeg" src=3D"cid:186500dcd163e475e121" style=3D"width: 64=
0px; max-width: 100%;"><img alt=3D"image1.jpeg" src=3D"cid:186500dcd1698796=
b132" style=3D"width: 640px; max-width: 100%;"><img alt=3D"image2.jpeg" src=
=3D"cid:186500dcd16f2ab78143" style=3D"width: 640px; max-width: 100%;"><br>=
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[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>=
</blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div>A big draw back for the Datsun was the lack of a soft top=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Jim Hurley</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A01. Re: [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z (Alex &amp; Janet Thomson)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A02. Re: [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z (Robert Rochlin)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 20:53:43 -0500<br>
From: &quot;Alex &amp; Janet Thomson&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aljlthomso=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: &quot;&#39;Bob&#39;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triu=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, &qu=
ot;&#39;six<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pack&#39;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:6pack@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z<br>
et" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">charter.net</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
And, if you can&#39;t find a good used frame, there is always the option of=
 a<br>
new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! That is definitely an<br>
advantage of an &quot;old technology&quot; frame/body car.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Alex Thomson<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: 6pack [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] On Behalf Of Bob<br>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2023 9:45 AM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@a=
utox.team.net</a>; six pack<br>
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads covered<b=
r>
with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton of time<br=
cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the end it<=
br>
was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his frame<br>
strengthening kit.=C2=A0 The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had one =
and it<br>
basically fell apart in the early 80&#39;s. He took it to a frame shop and =
they<br>
couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore it. At least on<=
br>
the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and pick up one i=
n<br>
decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc. <br>
<br>
I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see quit=
e<br>
a few 6&#39;s though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine were th=
e<br>
carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted=C2=A0 a pair on my 72 as I was =
not a<br>
fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 years. <br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave northrup wrote:<br>
<br>
Or, as they would say in England, TR6 vs 240 Zed<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Fun article<br>
<br>
<br>
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mph-tr6-battle-america?utm_source=3Dsfmc" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">https://www.classicandsportscar.com/features/datsun-240z-vs-triumph-tr6=
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le-america?utm_source=3Dsfmc</a><br>
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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 07:23:37 -0400<br>
From: Robert Rochlin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z<br>
ast.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Back in the early 70?s I had two successive 240 Z cars.=C2=A0 =
The first one was a 1972 before emissions equipment, it went like hell and =
was dependable and durable.=C2=A0 I drove that one until the body was so co=
mpromised from New England winters that I had to give it up. I made the mis=
take of then buying a 1974 TR6 with emission controls. It was a dog compreh=
end to the 1972.=C2=A0 As it happens, I have a brochure reprint of a head t=
o head comparison of the TR6 and the 240 Z originally done by Road and Trac=
k.=C2=A0 The advantage went to the 240 Z when speed picked up and aerodynam=
ics came into play. I?m away now, but when I get home I?ll make a PDF of th=
e brochure and post it to the list.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Best,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bob<br>
<br>
&gt; On Feb 5, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; And, if you can?t find a good used frame, there is always the option o=
f a new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! That is definitely an a=
dvantage of an ?old technology? frame/body car.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; Alex Thomson<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; From: 6pack [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt;] On Behalf Of Bob<br>
&gt; Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2023 9:45 AM<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">trium=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; six pack<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads cove=
red with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton of tim=
e cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the end i=
t was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his frame streng=
thening kit.=C2=A0 The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had one and it=
 basically fell apart in the early 80&#39;s. He took it to a frame shop and=
 they couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore it. At lea=
st on the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and pick up=
 one in decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see=
 quite a few 6&#39;s though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine =
were the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted=C2=A0 a pair on my 72 =
as I was not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 years=
. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Bob<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave northrup wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Or, as they would say in England, TR6 vs 240 Zed<br>
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