Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z

From: Bob <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 09:44:39 -0500

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Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads 
covered with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton 
of time cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in 
the end it was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his 
frame strengthening kit.  The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had 
one and it basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame 
shop and they couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore 
it. At least on the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk 
yard and pick up one in decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc.

I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see 
quite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine 
were the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted  a pair on my 72 as 
I was not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 years.

Bob

On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave northrup wrote:
>
> Or, as they would say in England, TR6 vs 240 Zed
>
> Fun article
>
> https://www.classicandsportscar.com/features/datsun-240z-vs-triumph-tr6-battle-america?utm_source=sfmc&utm_term=StoryImageTwo&utm_content=17115&utm_id=e9c3ec75-bab4-4bdf-b31f-3626fa20d1e3&sfmc_id=36122111&sfmc_activityid=100153f9-7a43-49c8-bb22-d4036a4de400&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_04_02_2023
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    <p>Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads
      covered with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent
      a ton of time cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the
      frame. But in the end it was more solid than its original. And
      thanks to Ted with his frame strengthening kit.  The Z however was
      uni-body. A good friend had one and it basically fell apart in the
      early 80's. He took it to a frame shop and they couldnt do a thing
      with it. And there is no way to restore it. At least on the 6, if
      the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and pick up one in
      decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I
      do see quite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on
      the engine were the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted  a
      pair on my 72 as I was not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble
      free for over 15 years. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Bob<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave northrup wrote:<br>
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From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 20:53:43 -0500

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And, if you can't find a good used frame, there is always the option of a
new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! That is definitely an
advantage of an "old technology" frame/body car.

Alex Thomson

From: 6pack [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2023 9:45 AM
To: [email-masked]; six pack
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 Z

Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads covered
with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton of time
cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the end it
was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his frame
strengthening kit.  The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had one and it
basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame shop and they
couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore it. At least on
the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and pick up one in
decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc. 

I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see quite
a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine were the
carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted  a pair on my 72 as I was not a
fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 years. 

Bob

Fun article

https://www.classicandsportscar.com/features/datsun-240z-vs-triumph-tr6-batt
le-america?utm_source=sfmc
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[email-masked]; six pack<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [6pack] [TR] =
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>Both the TR6 and the 240Z =
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72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton of time cutting and =
welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the end it was more =
solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his frame strengthening =
kit.&nbsp; The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had one and it =
basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame shop and =
they couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore it. At =
least on the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk yard and =
pick up one in decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p>I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a =
NE car. I do see quite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better =
on the engine were the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted&nbsp; =
a pair on my 72 as I was not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble =
free for over 15 years. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Bob<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
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   Back in the early 70=E2=80=99s I had two successive 240 Z cars.  The =
first one was a 1972 before emissions equipment, it went like hell and =
was dependable and durable.  I drove that one until the body was so =
compromised from New England winters that I had to give it up. I made =
the mistake of then buying a 1974 TR6 with emission controls. It was a =
dog comprehend to the 1972.  As it happens, I have a brochure reprint of =
a head to head comparison of the TR6 and the 240 Z originally done by =
Road and Track.  The advantage went to the 240 Z when speed picked up =
and aerodynamics came into play. I=E2=80=99m away now, but when I get =
home I=E2=80=99ll make a PDF of the brochure and post it to the list.
	Best,
	Bob

> On Feb 5, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> And, if you can=E2=80=99t find a good used frame, there is always the =
option of a new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! That is =
definitely an advantage of an =E2=80=9Cold technology=E2=80=9D =
frame/body car.
> =20
> Alex Thomson
> =20
> From: 6pack [mailto:[email-masked] =
> =20
> Both the TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads =
covered with sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton =
of time cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in =
the end it was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his =
frame strengthening kit.  The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had =
one and it basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame =
shop and they couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore =
it. At least on the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk =
yard and pick up one in decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors etc.=20=

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> I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. I do see =
quite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the engine =
were the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted  a pair on my 72 as =
I was not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for over 15 =
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class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Back in the early 70=E2=80=99s I had two =
successive 240 Z cars. &nbsp;The first one was a 1972 before emissions =
equipment, it went like hell and was dependable and durable. &nbsp;I =
drove that one until the body was so compromised from New England =
winters that I had to give it up. I made the mistake of then buying a =
1974 TR6 with emission controls. It was a dog comprehend to the 1972. =
&nbsp;As it happens, I have a brochure reprint of a head to head =
comparison of the TR6 and the 240 Z originally done by Road and Track. =
&nbsp;The advantage went to the 240 Z when speed picked up and =
aerodynamics came into play. I=E2=80=99m away now, but when I get home =
I=E2=80=99ll make a PDF of the brochure and post it to the list.<div =
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class=3D"">And, if you can=E2=80=99t find a good used frame, there is =
always the option of a new, Ratco frame. All it takes is a MasterCard! =
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sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>6pack [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Bob<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Sunday, February 05, 2023 =
9:45 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>; six =
pack<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 vs 240 =
Z<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><p =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">Both the =
TR6 and the 240Z suffered from rust in the NE with roads covered with =
sand and salt. My 72 6 was a perfect example. I spent a ton of time =
cutting and welding/brazing both the body and the frame. But in the end =
it was more solid than its original. And thanks to Ted with his frame =
strengthening kit.&nbsp; The Z however was uni-body. A good friend had =
one and it basically fell apart in the early 80's. He took it to a frame =
shop and they couldnt do a thing with it. And there is no way to restore =
it. At least on the 6, if the frame was shot, you could to to a junk =
yard and pick up one in decent shape, same with the fenders/ doors =
etc.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D"">I do see one Z at car shows but I am sure it is not a NE car. =
I do see quite a few 6's though. One thing that the Z had better on the =
engine were the carbs. A SU clone made by Hitachi. I fitted&nbsp; a pair =
on my 72 as I was not a fan of the ZS. They have been trouble free for =
over 15 years.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D"">Bob<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">On 2/4/23 1:12 PM, dave =
northrup wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><blockquote =
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class=3D"">Or, as they would say in England, TR6 vs 240 Zed<o:p =
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
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