Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

From: im sloane <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 16:11:04 +0000

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Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.=
  I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm reading=
 the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  12V has to =
come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green=
 / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to th=
e Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the Green/White to fla=
sh the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V from being sent f=
rom the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which connects=
 to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the hazard =
pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem if you=
 have the turn signal switch up or down.

The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on =
the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.

When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to =
the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and=
 then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.

So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw=
itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash=
er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink =
wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side=
 and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter thru the Green w=
ire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the flasher to the =
column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.

Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass=
embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s=
witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.  Turn sig=
nals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.

A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c=
olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f=
ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu=
rn signal switch.

Sloane
69-Six
72-Spit

________________________________
From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <dave1=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch.  The hazard switch di=
sconnects the turn signal flasher.  If those contacts are dodgy the turn si=
gnals won't work.  If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they won't =
work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <[email-masked]>
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out t=
he green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connec=
ted it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back u=
p lights, THEY WORKED!

The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash =
on he driver=92s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on th=
e drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard mo=
dule should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the =
cause(s) of these issues.

Thanks again for your help.

Bob Fabie

[email-masked]>> wrote:
[X]
Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's h=
andy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 volt=
s) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the switch t=
o the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.  The fus=
e that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn si=
gnals so if they work you are probably good.

Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?  If one bulb i=
s not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the =
flasher to flash.

On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.  The sockets=
 are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.  The ground conn=
ection is the usual suspect.  Start there.  If you have a volt meter check =
for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,

As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautiful=
ly following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, =
rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important thing=
s interfered. Imagine that=85

I=92m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, p=
robably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.

First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=92t work a=
t all.

Second: The back-up lights don=92t work. I=92ve installed a new back up lig=
ht harness. I=92ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=92t quite figu=
re out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=92 3 bullet connectors i=
n the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires=
 are solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires a=
re almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different c=
olor thread.

Can anyone help me sort out these issues?

Thanks.
Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

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Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.=
&nbsp; I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm re=
ading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)&nbsp; 1=
2V has to come in from the hazard flasher,
 already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when t=
he switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-si=
de bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This ac=
tion also removes the 12V from being
 sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which c=
onnects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the =
hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem=
 if you have the turn signal switch
 up or down.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
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The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on =
the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to =
the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and=
 then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw=
itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash=
er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink =
wire. This blinking juice must make
 it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to w=
ork, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate =
wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respecti=
ve G/R or G/W side.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass=
embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s=
witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.&nbsp; Tur=
n signals always worked. It was the hazard
 that always went out.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c=
olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f=
ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu=
rn signal switch.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
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Sloane&nbsp;</div>
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69-Six</div>
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 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
72-Spit</div>
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lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> 6pack &lt;6pack-bounc=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<=
br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [6pack] Two Issues</font>
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<div><font size=3D"3">OK.&nbsp; No turn signals at all may be the hazard sw=
itch.&nbsp; The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.&nbsp; If=
 those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.&nbsp; If the contact=
s for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the
 hazard mode.&nbsp; I'd start there.</font><br>
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</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>
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</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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nt size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues<br>
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<div>Dave,</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered =
out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I c=
onnected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans b=
ack up lights, THEY WORKED!</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only f=
lash on he driver=92s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals =
on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and haza=
rd module should arrive this weekend.
 Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thanks again for your help.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Bob Fabie</div>
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t 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D=
"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dave1massey@cs.=
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<div><font size=3D"3">Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmissi=
on From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.&nbsp; As you can see, there is =
a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which fe=
eds power from the switch to the lights.&nbsp;
 The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.&nbsp; The fuse that fe=
eds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so =
if they work you are probably good.</font></div>
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</div>
<div><font size=3D"3">Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it ju=
st one?&nbsp; If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw e=
nough current to cause the flasher to flash.</font></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><font size=3D"3">On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb=
 sockets.&nbsp; The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when the=
y get old.&nbsp; The ground connection is the usual suspect.&nbsp; Start th=
ere.&nbsp; If you have a volt meter check for voltage
 on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.</font><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br clear=3D"none">
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</div>
<div>As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beau=
tifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few ye=
ars, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important =
things interfered. Imagine that=85</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>I=92m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issu=
es, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=92t w=
ork at all.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Second: The back-up lights don=92t work. I=92ve installed a new back u=
p light harness. I=92ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=92t quite=
 figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=92 3 bullet connect=
ors in the passenger foot well area. I can
 see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a =
?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which=
 are solid and which has a different color thread.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Can anyone help me sort out these issues?</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thanks.</div>
<div>Bob Fabie</div>
<div>Fredericksburg, VA</div>
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Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non
functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work.
Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way
hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and
washer, trunk light - everything works.

What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal
flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.

Thanks
Bob Fabie

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a
> bugger.  I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'=
m
> reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  12=
V
> has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K
> (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it
> sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the
> Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 1=
2V
> from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate)
> wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when
> you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power,
> causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.
>
> The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are o=
n
> When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S t=
o
> the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch a=
nd
> So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a
> switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard
> flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the
> light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch t=
o
> both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must ent=
er
> thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru t=
he
> flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.
>
> Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely
> disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only=
 a
> new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.
> Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.
>
> A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering
> column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange tha=
t
> front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the
> turn signal switch.
>
> Sloane
> 69-Six
> 72-Spit
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <
> [email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
> *To:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Two Issues
>
> OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch.  The hazard switch
> disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If those contacts are dodgy the tur=
n
> signals won't work.  If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they
> won't work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out
> the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I
> connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the tran=
s
> back up lights, THEY WORKED!
>
> The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flas=
h
> on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signa=
ls on the
> drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard
> module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to
> the cause(s) of these issues.
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's
> handy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12
> volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the
> switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on=
.
> The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges=
,
> turn signals so if they work you are probably good.
>
> Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?  If one bulb
> is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause t=
he
> flasher to flash.
>
> On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.  The
> sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.  The
> ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start there.  If you have a volt
> meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running
> beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a
> few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other
> important things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6
>
> I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two i=
ssues,
> probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.
>
> First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80=99=
t work at
> all.
>
> Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed a n=
ew back up light
> harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=E2=80=99t=
 quite figure out
> how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors =
in the
> passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are
> solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are
> almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different
> color thread.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you all for your help and suggestions.</div><di=
v>I&#39;m frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the no=
n functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. =
Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way =
hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and =
washer, trunk light - everything works. <br></div><div><br></div><div>What =
I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal flasher=
 are getting voltage. I&#39;m not sure what to do next.</div><div><br></div=
><div>Thanks</div><div>Bob Fabie</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 =
at 11:16 AM im sloane &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">im_sloan=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.=
=C2=A0 I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I&#39;=
m reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)=C2=
=A0 12V has to come in from the hazard flasher,
 already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when t=
he switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-si=
de bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This ac=
tion also removes the 12V from being
 sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which c=
onnects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the =
hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem=
 if you have the turn signal switch
 up or down.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on =
the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to =
the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and=
 then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw=
itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash=
er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink =
wire. This blinking juice must make
 it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to w=
ork, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate =
wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respecti=
ve G/R or G/W side.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Easy huh? On my brother&#39;s 73, I&#39;ve had that little bugger completel=
y disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only=
 a new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.=
=C2=A0 Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard
 that always went out.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c=
olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f=
ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu=
rn signal switch.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Sloane=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
69-Six</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
72-Spit</div>
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<div id=3D"gmail-m_-796621804889190390divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font styl=
e=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From=
:</b> 6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of DAVID MASSEY &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">bobfabie=
@gmail.com</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">6pack@=
autox.team.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [6pack] Two Issues</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div><font size=3D"3">OK.=C2=A0 No turn signals at all may be the hazard sw=
itch.=C2=A0 The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.=C2=A0 If=
 those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won&#39;t work.=C2=A0 If the con=
tacts for the right side are dodgy they won&#39;t work in the
 hazard mode.=C2=A0 I&#39;d start there.</font><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
To: DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">6=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-796621804889190390x_yiv2214982056">
<div>
<div>Dave,</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered =
out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I c=
onnected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans b=
ack up lights, THEY WORKED!</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only f=
lash on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn si=
gnals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module an=
d hazard module should arrive this weekend.
 Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thanks again for your help.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Bob Fabie</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-796621804889190390x_yiv2214982056yqt03439">
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel=3D=
"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs=
.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"=
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div><img alt=3D""></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmissi=
on From Dan Master&#39;s handy wiring diagrams.=C2=A0 As you can see, there=
 is a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire whic=
h feeds power from the switch to the lights.=C2=A0
 The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.=C2=A0 The fuse that fe=
eds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so =
if they work you are probably good.</font></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><font size=3D"3">Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it ju=
st one?=C2=A0 If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw e=
nough current to cause the flasher to flash.</font></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><font size=3D"3">On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb=
 sockets.=C2=A0 The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when the=
y get old.=C2=A0 The ground connection is the usual suspect.=C2=A0 Start th=
ere.=C2=A0 If you have a volt meter check for voltage
 on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.</font><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br clear=3D"none">
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</div>
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From: rmf3860 rmf3860 &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
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[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">6pack@auto=
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Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues<br clear=3D"none">
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<div id=3D"gmail-m_-796621804889190390x_yiv2214982056m_-4817526784323085801=
yiv3079743941">Hello All,
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beau=
tifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few ye=
ars, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important =
things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered tw=
o issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.=C2=A0</d=
iv>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80=
=99t work at all.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed =
a new back up light harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram=
 but can=E2=80=99t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main har=
ness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can
 see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a =
?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which=
 are solid and which has a different color thread.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Can anyone help me sort out these issues?</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thanks.</div>
<div>Bob Fabie</div>
<div>Fredericksburg, VA</div>
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If your hazards are working, then it sure seems like it could be your turn
signal switch on the column.

Tom
'69 TR6
'63 TR4

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:53 AM rmf3860 rmf3860 <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 wa=
y
> hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper an=
d
>> bugger.  I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I=
'm
>> reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  1=
2V
>> Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the =
12V
>> wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, whe=
n
>> The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are
>> on the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.
>>
>> When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S
>> to the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal swit=
ch
>> and then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.
>>
>> light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch =
to
>> both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must en=
ter
>> thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru =
the
>> disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually onl=
y a
>> A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steerin=
g
>> column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange th=
at
>> front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to th=
e
>> disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If those contacts are dodgy the tu=
rn
>> Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered ou=
t
>> connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the tra=
ns
>> The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only
>> flash on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had tur=
n signals
>> on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and
>> hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thought=
s
>> as to the cause(s) of these issues.
>>
>> Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master'=
s
>> switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is o=
n.
>> The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauge=
s,
>> Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?  If one bul=
b
>> is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause =
the
>> ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start there.  If you have a vol=
t
>> I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two =
issues,
>> First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80=
=99t work
>> at all.
>>
>> Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed a =
new back up light
>> harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=E2=80=99=
t quite figure out
>> how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors=
 in the
>> passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires ar=
e
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If your hazards are working, then it sure seems like it co=
uld be your=C2=A0turn signal switch on the column.<div><br></div><div>Tom</=
div><div>&#39;69 TR6</div><div>&#39;63 TR4</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:5=
3 AM rmf3860 rmf3860 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">bobfabie@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you all for your help and suggestions.</d=
iv><div>I&#39;m frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix =
the non functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not =
work. Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, =
4 way hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wipe=
r and washer, trunk light - everything works. <br></div><div><br></div><div=
>What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal f=
lasher are getting voltage. I&#39;m not sure what to do next.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Thanks</div><div>Bob Fabie</div><div><br></div></div><br><div c=
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 Check the emergency flasher switch.=C2=A0 Power to the turn signal flasher=
 passed through that switch which will disconnect the power when the emerge=
ncy flashers are engaged.=C2=A0=20

Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off of the switch and jumpe=
r them together and see if the turn signals work.
=20
Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <[email-masked]>
To: im sloane <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Thank you all for your help and suggestions.I'm frustrated and a bit overwh=
elmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non functioning turn signals - the ONLY=
 electrical thing that does not work. Everything else works: - headlights, =
parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way hazards (needed new flasher), brake l=
ights, dash lights, heater, wiper and washer, trunk light - everything work=
s.=20

What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal fl=
asher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.
ThanksBob Fabie

Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.=
=C2=A0 I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm re=
ading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)=C2=A0 1=
2V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (l=
ight green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it sends=
 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the Green/Wh=
ite to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V from be=
ing sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire whic=
h connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have t=
he hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no prob=
lem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.=C2=A0
The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on =
the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.=C2=A0
When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to =
the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and=
 then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.=C2=A0
So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw=
itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash=
er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink =
wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side=
 and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter thru the Green w=
ire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the flasher to the =
column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.=C2=A0
Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass=
embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s=
witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.=C2=A0 Tur=
n signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.=C2=A0
A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c=
olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f=
ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu=
rn signal switch.=C2=A0
Sloane=C2=A069-Six72-Spit
From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <dave1=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues=C2=A0OK.=C2=A0 No turn signals at all may b=
e the hazard switch.=C2=A0 The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal fl=
asher.=C2=A0 If those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.=C2=A0=
 If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard=
 mode.=C2=A0 I'd start there.

Dave=20

-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <[email-masked]>
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,
Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out t=
he green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connec=
ted it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back u=
p lights, THEY WORKED!
The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash =
on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals=
 on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and haz=
ard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as t=
o the cause(s) of these issues.
Thanks again for your help.
Bob Fabie
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:

Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's h=
andy wiring diagrams.=C2=A0 As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12=
 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the swi=
tch to the lights.=C2=A0 The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on=
.=C2=A0 The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, =
gauges, turn signals so if they work you are probably good.
Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?=C2=A0 If one b=
ulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause=
 the flasher to flash.
On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.=C2=A0 The so=
ckets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.=C2=A0 The g=
round connection is the usual suspect.=C2=A0 Start there.=C2=A0 If you have=
 a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the socke=
ts.

Dave=20

-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,
As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautiful=
ly following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, =
rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important thing=
s interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6
I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two iss=
ues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.=C2=A0
First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80=99t =
work at all.=C2=A0
Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed a new=
 back up light harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram but =
can=E2=80=99t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=
=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see th=
at two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a ?red? t=
hread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are so=
lid and which has a different color thread.
Can anyone help me sort out these issues?
Thanks.Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Check the emergency flasher switch.&nbsp; Power to t=
he turn signal flasher passed through that switch which will disconnect the=
 power when the emergency flashers are engaged.&nbsp; <br>
</font></div>

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<div><font size=3D"3">Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off o=
f the switch and jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.</fo=
nt></div>

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From: rmf3860 rmf3860 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: im sloane &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues<br>
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<div>Thank you all for your help and suggestions.</div>

<div>I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non=
 functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. E=
verything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way h=
azards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and w=
asher, trunk light - everything works. <br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn sign=
al flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.</div>

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<div>Thanks</div>

<div>Bob Fabie</div>

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1:16 AM im sloane &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"no=
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The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on =
the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.&nbsp;</div>

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When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to =
the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and=
 then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.&nbsp;</div>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel=3D=
"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:dave1massey=
@cs.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">dave1massey@c=
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<div>I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered tw=
o issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.&nbsp;</d=
iv>

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<div>First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80=
=99t work at all.&nbsp;</div>

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<div>Thanks.</div>

<div>Bob Fabie</div>

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Tom, Dave et.al,

Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a
couple times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove
the big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at
the panoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so
I'm going to have a bourbon (it's after 5 on the right coast).

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 5:04 PM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Check the emergency flasher switch.  Power to the turn signal flasher
> passed through that switch which will disconnect the power when the
> emergency flashers are engaged.
>
> Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off of the switch and
> jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Tom, Dave <a href=3D"http://et.al">et.al</a>,</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I&#39;ve d=
one it at least a couple times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate =
to have to remove the big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and =
have to stare at the panoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to =
this tomorrow, so I&#39;m going to have a bourbon (it&#39;s after 5 on the =
right coast).</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again for your help.</div><di=
v>Bob Fabie<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 5:04 PM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Check the emergency flasher switch.=C2=A0 Power to t=
he turn signal flasher passed through that switch which will disconnect the=
 power when the emergency flashers are engaged.=C2=A0 <br>
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<div>Thank you all for your help and suggestions.</div>

<div>I&#39;m frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the=
 non functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not wor=
k. Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 w=
ay hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper a=
nd washer, trunk light - everything works. <br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn sign=
al flasher are getting voltage. I&#39;m not sure what to do next.</div>

<div>Thanks</div>

<div>Bob Fabie</div>

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Temporarily bypass the hazard switch by sending a known 12V to the input si=
de of the turn signal flasher. Disconnect the green/slate wire and leave th=
e green/brown wire connected. Put a known hot 12V (I'd just to go the batte=
ry, but I'm brave) to where the green/slate was connected. If the flasher i=
s OK and the column switch is OK, they should work left and right.

I'm with you on dreading removing the big gauges to get at the hazard switc=
h connector. It's a PIA.  I probably wouldn't go back in there without a br=
and-new Hazard switch in hand.

Sloane

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From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 10:32 PM
To: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Tom, Dave et.al<http://et.al>,

Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a coup=
le times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove the =
big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at the p=
anoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so I'm =
going to have a bourbon (it's after 5 on the right coast).

[email-masked]>> wrote:
Check the emergency flasher switch.  Power to the turn signal flasher passe=
d through that switch which will disconnect the power when the emergency fl=
ashers are engaged.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non func=
tioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. Everyt=
hing else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way hazard=
s (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and washer=
, trunk light - everything works.

Thanks
Bob Fabie

[email-masked]>> wrote:

Sloane
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72-Spit

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o:[email-masked]>>

Dave

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Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,

Bob Fabie

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[X]

Dave

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,

Thanks.
Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

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Temporarily bypass the hazard switch by sending a known 12V to the input si=
de of the turn signal flasher. Disconnect the green/slate wire and leave th=
e green/brown wire connected. Put a known hot 12V (I'd just to go the batte=
ry, but I'm brave) to where the
 green/slate was connected. If the flasher is OK and the column switch is O=
K, they should work left and right.&nbsp; &nbsp;</div>
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I'm with you on dreading removing the big gauges to get at the hazard switc=
h connector. It's a PIA.&nbsp; I probably wouldn't go back in there without=
 a brand-new Hazard switch in hand.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a=
 couple times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove=
 the big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at =
the panoply of wiring. I just need
 to chill and return to this tomorrow, so I'm going to have a bourbon (it's=
 after 5 on the right coast).</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Thanks again for your help.</div>
<div>Bob Fabie<br>
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<div><font size=3D"3">Check the emergency flasher switch.&nbsp; Power to th=
e turn signal flasher passed through that switch which will disconnect the =
power when the emergency flashers are engaged.&nbsp;
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<div><font size=3D"3">Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off o=
f the switch and jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.</fo=
nt></div>
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<div>Thank you all for your help and suggestions.</div>
<div>I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non=
 functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. E=
verything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way h=
azards (needed new flasher), brake
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<div>What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn sign=
al flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.</div>
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Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.=
&nbsp; I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm re=
ading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)&nbsp; 1=
2V has to come in from the hazard flasher,
 already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when t=
he switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-si=
de bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This ac=
tion also removes the 12V from being
 sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which c=
onnects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the =
hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem=
 if you have the turn signal switch
 up or down.&nbsp;</div>
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The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on =
the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.&nbsp;</div>
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When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to =
the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and=
 then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.&nbsp;</div>
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So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw=
itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash=
er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink =
wire. This blinking juice must make
 it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to w=
ork, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate =
wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respecti=
ve G/R or G/W side.&nbsp;</div>
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Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass=
embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s=
witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.&nbsp; Tur=
n signals always worked. It was the hazard
 that always went out.&nbsp;</div>
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A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c=
olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f=
ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu=
rn signal switch.&nbsp;</div>
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Sloane&nbsp;</div>
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<div><font size=3D"3">OK.&nbsp; No turn signals at all may be the hazard sw=
itch.&nbsp; The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.&nbsp; If=
 those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.&nbsp; If the contact=
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 Good idea.=C2=A0 Consider this the diagnosis phase.=C2=A0 If they work the=
n you have a choice.=C2=A0=20

1) Pull the gauges (or just the tach) and fix/replace the switch, or=20

2) Just find an alternate feed (green wire) and let it go at that.=C2=A0=20

The only down side to #2 is that if you engage the flashers with the key of=
f AND with the turn signal in the right or left position there will be a cr=
oss circuit that will try to feed the green and the white circuits through =
the flashers.=C2=A0 I think the flashers will be the weak link but they are=
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#yiv6598302901 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Temporarily bypass the haza=
rd switch by sending a known 12V to the input side of the turn signal flash=
er. Disconnect the green/slate wire and leave the green/brown wire connecte=
d. Put a known hot 12V (I'd just to go the battery, but I'm brave) to where=
 the green/slate was connected. If the flasher is OK and the column switch =
is OK, they should work left and right.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
I'm with you on dreading removing the big gauges to get at the hazard switc=
h connector. It's a PIA.=C2=A0 I probably wouldn't go back in there without=
 a brand-new Hazard switch in hand.=C2=A0
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Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues=C2=A0Tom, Dave et.al,
Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a coup=
le times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove the =
big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at the p=
anoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so I'm =
going to have a bourbon (it's after 5 on the right coast).
Thanks again for your help.Bob Fabie

Check the emergency flasher switch.=C2=A0 Power to the turn signal flasher =
passed through that switch which will disconnect the power when the emergen=
cy flashers are engaged.=C2=A0

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<div> <font size=3D"3">Good idea.&nbsp; Consider this the diagnosis phase.&=
nbsp; If they work then you have a choice.&nbsp; <br>
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<div><font size=3D"3">1) Pull the gauges (or just the tach) and fix/replace=
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t go at that.&nbsp; <br>
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<div><font size=3D"3">The only down side to #2 is that if you engage the fl=
ashers with the key off AND with the turn signal in the right or left posit=
ion there will be a cross circuit that will try to feed the green and the w=
hite circuits through the flashers.&nbsp; I think the flashers will be the =
weak link but they are relatively easy to replace.</font><br>
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