Subject: Re: [6pack] New Master Cylinder locking up

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 15:14:14 +0000 (UTC)

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 Sounds like a problem with the tipping valve that provides a path to the r=
eservoir.=C2=A0 When the pedal is depressed the piston in the MC will move =
allowing the tipping valve to close off allowing pressure to build up and o=
perate the brakes.=C2=A0 When the pedal is released the piston returns (or,=
 at least it is supposed to, return to its retracted position and will oper=
ate the tipping valve to release pressure to the reservoir.=C2=A0 If that v=
alve does not open pressure can build up due to heat causing the brake flui=
d to expand.=C2=A0=20

If the piston, or rather the seals, are sticking in the bore the piston may=
 not be retracting sufficiently to open the tipping valve.=C2=A0 They may w=
ear in but they shouldn't have to for proper operation.=C2=A0=20
=20
Dave=20

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From: im sloane <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2021 9:56 am
Subject: [6pack] New Master Cylinder locking up

 #yiv5844916033 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Hey guysI have one of the =
new TRW MCs, and twice now it's locked up the brakes. First time when I bac=
ked off the nuts between it and the booster it freed up, but the second tim=
e I had to back off the line to the front brakes and when it bled a bit, th=
ey freed up. I had noticed the front brakes were smoking when I stopped.=C2=
=A0
Anybody had issue and have any tips for how to fix this one? Easy enough to=
 replace, if necessary, but hate to throw away a brand new one if it's a kn=
own issue/fix.=C2=A0
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<div> <font size="3">Sounds like a problem with the tipping valve that provides a path to the reservoir.&nbsp; When the pedal is depressed the piston in the MC will move allowing the tipping valve to close off allowing pressure to build up and operate the brakes.&nbsp; When the pedal is released the piston returns (or, at least it is supposed to, return to its retracted position and will operate the tipping valve to release pressure to the reservoir.&nbsp; If that valve does not open pressure can build up due to heat causing the brake fluid to expand.&nbsp; <br>
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<div><font size="3">If the piston, or rather the seals, are sticking in the bore the piston may not be retracting sufficiently to open the tipping valve.&nbsp; They may wear in but they shouldn't have to for proper operation.&nbsp; </font><br>
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<div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
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Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2021 9:56 am<br>
Subject: [6pack] New Master Cylinder locking up<br>
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I have one of the new TRW MCs, and twice now it's locked up the brakes. First time when I backed off the nuts between it and the booster it freed up, but the second time I had to back off the line to the front brakes and when it bled a bit, they freed up. I
 had noticed the front brakes were smoking when I stopped.&nbsp;</div>

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Anybody had issue and have any tips for how to fix this one? Easy enough to replace, if necessary, but hate to throw away a brand new one if it's a known issue/fix.&nbsp;</div>

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Oh, one other thing. I (of course) backed off the nuts to the booster first=
 and pulled it completely away from the booster. The piston was NOT stuck i=
n the 'pushed in' position. I was thinking it was probably that tipping val=
ve. I am thinking about bleeding it and just driving it more. I really hate=
 to throw away something brand new, even though Rimmer has already shipped =
a free replacement. Maybe all the movement of bleeding will break-it-in som=
e more.

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 3:14 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <6p=
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Subject: Re: [6pack] New Master Cylinder locking up

Sounds like a problem with the tipping valve that provides a path to the re=
servoir.  When the pedal is depressed the piston in the MC will move allowi=
ng the tipping valve to close off allowing pressure to build up and operate=
 the brakes.  When the pedal is released the piston returns (or, at least i=
t is supposed to, return to its retracted position and will operate the tip=
ping valve to release pressure to the reservoir.  If that valve does not op=
en pressure can build up due to heat causing the brake fluid to expand.

If the piston, or rather the seals, are sticking in the bore the piston may=
 not be retracting sufficiently to open the tipping valve.  They may wear i=
n but they shouldn't have to for proper operation.

Dave

Hey guys
I have one of the new TRW MCs, and twice now it's locked up the brakes. Fir=
st time when I backed off the nuts between it and the booster it freed up, =
but the second time I had to back off the line to the front brakes and when=
 it bled a bit, they freed up. I had noticed the front brakes were smoking =
when I stopped.

own issue/fix.

Sloane
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Oh, one other thing. I (of course) backed off the nuts to the booster first=
 and pulled it completely away from the booster. The piston was NOT stuck i=
n the 'pushed in' position. I was thinking it was probably that tipping val=
ve. I am thinking about bleeding
 it and just driving it more. I really hate to throw away something brand n=
ew, even though Rimmer has already shipped a free replacement. Maybe all th=
e movement of bleeding will break-it-in some more.&nbsp;</div>
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<div><font size=3D"3">Sounds like a problem with the tipping valve that pro=
vides a path to the reservoir.&nbsp; When the pedal is depressed the piston=
 in the MC will move allowing the tipping valve to close off allowing press=
ure to build up and operate the brakes.&nbsp;
 When the pedal is released the piston returns (or, at least it is supposed=
 to, return to its retracted position and will operate the tipping valve to=
 release pressure to the reservoir.&nbsp; If that valve does not open press=
ure can build up due to heat causing
 the brake fluid to expand.&nbsp; <br>
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<div><font size=3D"3">If the piston, or rather the seals, are sticking in t=
he bore the piston may not be retracting sufficiently to open the tipping v=
alve.&nbsp; They may wear in but they shouldn't have to for proper operatio=
n.&nbsp;
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Hey guys</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have one of the new TRW MCs, and twice now it's locked up the brakes. Fir=
st time when I backed off the nuts between it and the booster it freed up, =
but the second time I had to back off the line to the front brakes and when=
 it bled a bit, they freed up. I
 had noticed the front brakes were smoking when I stopped.&nbsp;</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
Anybody had issue and have any tips for how to fix this one? Easy enough to=
 replace, if necessary, but hate to throw away a brand new one if it's a kn=
own issue/fix.&nbsp;</div>
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Slone---either the tipping valve doesn't reseat after applying the brake, or=
 the rod in the booster is extending too far. (It's supposed to be adjustabl=
e) Either of the two can  stop the brake pads from retracting.=20
Lastly, if the caliper pistons stick and don't return, that can happen if re=
placed and not prelubed. The hunt is on!=20

Dick

> On Nov 4, 2021, at 7:56 AM, im sloane <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Hey guys
> I have one of the new TRW MCs, and twice now it's locked up the brakes. Fi=
rst time when I backed off the nuts between it and the booster it freed up, b=
ut the second time I had to back off the line to the front brakes and when i=
t bled a bit, they freed up. I had noticed the front brakes were smoking whe=
n I stopped.=20
>=20
> Anybody had issue and have any tips for how to fix this one? Easy enough t=
o replace, if necessary, but hate to throw away a brand new one if it's a kn=
own issue/fix.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>Slone---either the tipping valve doesn't reseat after applying the brake, or the rod in the booster is extending too far. (It's supposed to be adjustable) Either of the two can &nbsp;stop the brake pads from retracting.&nbsp;</div><div>Lastly, if the caliper pistons stick and don't return, that can happen if replaced and not prelubed. The hunt is on!&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Dick</div><div><br></div><div><br>On Nov 4, 2021, at 7:56 AM, im sloane &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>

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Hey guys</div>
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I have one of the new TRW MCs, and twice now it's locked up the brakes. First time when I backed off the nuts between it and the booster it freed up, but the second time I had to back off the line to the front brakes and when it bled a bit, they freed up. I
 had noticed the front brakes were smoking when I stopped.&nbsp;</div>
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Anybody had issue and have any tips for how to fix this one? Easy enough to replace, if necessary, but hate to throw away a brand new one if it's a known issue/fix.&nbsp;</div>
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
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 It could be that the piston was not returning fully the first time but in =
the process of unbolting the master cylinder the piston got dislodged and r=
esolved the issue.=C2=A0 Not so lucky the second time.=C2=A0=20

But this is just speculation.=C2=A0 I wasn't there and even if I was I don'=
t have X-ray vision.
Good luck
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From: im sloane <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2021 11:55 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] New Master Cylinder locking up

#yiv7954727051 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Oh, one other thing. I (of =
course) backed off the nuts to the booster first and pulled it completely a=
way from the booster. The piston was NOT stuck in the 'pushed in' position.=
 I was thinking it was probably that tipping valve. I am thinking about ble=
eding it and just driving it more. I really hate to throw away something br=
and new, even though Rimmer has already shipped a free replacement. Maybe a=
ll the movement of bleeding will break-it-in some more.=C2=A0
From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 3:14 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <6p=
[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [6pack] New Master Cylinder locking up=C2=A0Sounds like a prob=
lem with the tipping valve that provides a path to the reservoir.=C2=A0 Whe=
n the pedal is depressed the piston in the MC will move allowing the tippin=
g valve to close off allowing pressure to build up and operate the brakes.=
=C2=A0 When the pedal is released the piston returns (or, at least it is su=
pposed to, return to its retracted position and will operate the tipping va=
lve to release pressure to the reservoir.=C2=A0 If that valve does not open=
 pressure can build up due to heat causing the brake fluid to expand.=C2=A0=
=20

If the piston, or rather the seals, are sticking in the bore the piston may=
 not be retracting sufficiently to open the tipping valve.=C2=A0 They may w=
ear in but they shouldn't have to for proper operation.=C2=A0

Dave=20

Hey guysI have one of the new TRW MCs, and twice now it's locked up the bra=
kes. First time when I backed off the nuts between it and the booster it fr=
eed up, but the second time I had to back off the line to the front brakes =
and when it bled a bit, they freed up. I had noticed the front brakes were =
smoking when I stopped.=C2=A0
Anybody had issue and have any tips for how to fix this one? Easy enough to=
 replace, if necessary, but hate to throw away a brand new one if it's a kn=
own issue/fix.=C2=A0
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<div> <font size="3">It could be that the piston was not returning fully the first time but in the process of unbolting the master cylinder the piston got dislodged and resolved the issue.&nbsp; Not so lucky the second time.&nbsp; <br>
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<div><font size="3">But this is just speculation.&nbsp; I wasn't there and even if I was I don't have X-ray vision.</font></div>

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<div><font size="3">Good luck</font><br>
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Oh, one other thing. I (of course) backed off the nuts to the booster first and pulled it completely away from the booster. The piston was NOT stuck in the 'pushed in' position. I was thinking it was probably that tipping valve. I am thinking about bleeding
 it and just driving it more. I really hate to throw away something brand new, even though Rimmer has already shipped a free replacement. Maybe all the movement of bleeding will break-it-in some more.&nbsp;</div>

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<div><font size="3">Sounds like a problem with the tipping valve that provides a path to the reservoir.&nbsp; When the pedal is depressed the piston in the MC will move allowing the tipping valve to close off allowing pressure to build up and operate the brakes.&nbsp;
 When the pedal is released the piston returns (or, at least it is supposed to, return to its retracted position and will operate the tipping valve to release pressure to the reservoir.&nbsp; If that valve does not open pressure can build up due to heat causing
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<div><font size="3">If the piston, or rather the seals, are sticking in the bore the piston may not be retracting sufficiently to open the tipping valve.&nbsp; They may wear in but they shouldn't have to for proper operation.&nbsp;
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I have one of the new TRW MCs, and twice now it's locked up the brakes. First time when I backed off the nuts between it and the booster it freed up, but the second time I had to back off the line to the front brakes and when it bled a bit, they freed up. I
 had noticed the front brakes were smoking when I stopped.&nbsp;</div>

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Anybody had issue and have any tips for how to fix this one? Easy enough to replace, if necessary, but hate to throw away a brand new one if it's a known issue/fix.&nbsp;</div>

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Yea, I had seen the booster rod was adjustable, and I adjusted it in a litt=
le bit, but wasn't really sure what I was doing.  I'll tell you, a new boos=
ter surely does feel like the car has 'power brakes' for the first time eve=
r. Maybe I need to adjust that rod in a bit again, but it's kinda hard to e=
ven tell which way is in.

I think my 2nd issue must have been the tipping valve. I've never touched m=
y calipers.

Again, I'm going to re-bleed the fronts and take it for a ride.

Sloane

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From: Richard <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 4:59 PM
To: im sloane <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [6pack] New Master Cylinder locking up

Slone---either the tipping valve doesn't reseat after applying the brake, o=
r the rod in the booster is extending too far. (It's supposed to be adjusta=
ble) Either of the two can  stop the brake pads from retracting.
Lastly, if the caliper pistons stick and don't return, that can happen if r=
eplaced and not prelubed. The hunt is on!

Dick

[email-masked]>> wrote:

Hey guys

Sloane
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Yea, I had seen the booster rod was adjustable, and I adjusted it in a litt=
le bit, but wasn't really sure what I was doing.&nbsp; I'll tell you, a new=
 booster surely does feel like the car has 'power brakes' for the first tim=
e ever. Maybe I need to adjust that rod
 in a bit again, but it's kinda hard to even tell which way is in.&nbsp;</d=
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I think my 2nd issue must have been the tipping valve. I've never touched m=
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Again, I'm going to re-bleed the fronts and take it for a ride.&nbsp;</div>
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lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Richard &lt;taylortur=
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<div>Slone---either the tipping valve doesn't reseat after applying the bra=
ke, or the rod in the booster is extending too far. (It's supposed to be ad=
justable) Either of the two can &nbsp;stop the brake pads from retracting.&=
nbsp;</div>
<div>Lastly, if the caliper pistons stick and don't return, that can happen=
 if replaced and not prelubed. The hunt is on!&nbsp;</div>
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On Nov 4, 2021, at 7:56 AM, im sloane &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:im_sloane@hotma=
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have one of the new TRW MCs, and twice now it's locked up the brakes. Fir=
st time when I backed off the nuts between it and the booster it freed up, =
but the second time I had to back off the line to the front brakes and when=
 it bled a bit, they freed up. I
 had noticed the front brakes were smoking when I stopped.&nbsp;</div>
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Anybody had issue and have any tips for how to fix this one? Easy enough to=
 replace, if necessary, but hate to throw away a brand new one if it's a kn=
own issue/fix.&nbsp;</div>
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Sloane,

This thread on the 6-pack forum has some good details on the second page
about adjusting the booster rod for a TR6 on page 2.
6-Pack discussion "Brakes keep locking up!!"
<https://forums.6-pack.org/the-6-pack-forums/car-repair-restoration-help/mechanical-repair-maintenance-restoration/59502-brakes-keep-locking-up>

Hope this helps.

Larry
71 TR6

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 6:00 PM im sloane <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Yea, I had seen the booster rod was adjustable, and I adjusted it in a
> little bit, but wasn't really sure what I was doing.  I'll tell you, a new
> booster surely does feel like the car has 'power brakes' for the first time
> ever. Maybe I need to adjust that rod in a bit again, but it's kinda hard
> to even tell which way is in.
>
> I think my 2nd issue must have been the tipping valve. I've never touched
> my calipers.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Richard <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 4, 2021 4:59 PM
> *To:* im sloane <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] New Master Cylinder locking up
>
> Slone---either the tipping valve doesn't reseat after applying the brake,
> or the rod in the booster is extending too far. (It's supposed to be
> adjustable) Either of the two can  stop the brake pads from retracting.
> Lastly, if the caliper pistons stick and don't return, that can happen if
> replaced and not prelubed. The hunt is on!
>
> Dick
>
>
> I have one of the new TRW MCs, and twice now it's locked up the brakes.
> First time when I backed off the nuts between it and the booster it freed
> up, but the second time I had to back off the line to the front brakes and
> when it bled a bit, they freed up. I had noticed the front brakes were
> smoking when I stopped.
>
> Anybody had issue and have any tips for how to fix this one? Easy enough
> to replace, if necessary, but hate to throw away a brand new one if it's a
> known issue/fix.
>
> Sloane
> 69-Six
> 72-Spit
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac=
e,monospace">Sloane,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:monospace,monospace">This thread on the 6-pack forum has some good d=
etails on the second page about adjusting the booster rod for a TR6 on page=
 2.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monosp=
ace"><a href=3D"https://forums.6-pack.org/the-6-pack-forums/car-repair-rest=
oration-help/mechanical-repair-maintenance-restoration/59502-brakes-keep-lo=
cking-up">6-Pack discussion &quot;Brakes keep locking up!!&quot;</a><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace"><=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monosp=
ace">Hope this helps.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil=
y:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
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ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 6:0=
0 PM im sloane &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">im_sloane@hotma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Yea, I had seen the booster rod was adjustable, and I adjusted it in a litt=
le bit, but wasn&#39;t really sure what I was doing.=C2=A0 I&#39;ll tell yo=
u, a new booster surely does feel like the car has &#39;power brakes&#39; f=
or the first time ever. Maybe I need to adjust that rod
 in a bit again, but it&#39;s kinda hard to even tell which way is in.=C2=
=A0</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
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I think my 2nd issue must have been the tipping valve. I&#39;ve never touch=
ed my calipers.=C2=A0</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Again, I&#39;m going to re-bleed the fronts and take it for a ride.=C2=A0</=
div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 4, 2021 4:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> im sloane &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">6pack@=
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<div>Slone---either the tipping valve doesn&#39;t reseat after applying the=
 brake, or the rod in the booster is extending too far. (It&#39;s supposed =
to be adjustable) Either of the two can =C2=A0stop the brake pads from retr=
acting.=C2=A0</div>
<div>Lastly, if the caliper pistons stick and don&#39;t return, that can ha=
ppen if replaced and not prelubed. The hunt is on!=C2=A0</div>
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<div>Dick</div>
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On Nov 4, 2021, at 7:56 AM, im sloane &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:im_sloane@hotma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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Hey guys</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have one of the new TRW MCs, and twice now it&#39;s locked up the brakes.=
 First time when I backed off the nuts between it and the booster it freed =
up, but the second time I had to back off the line to the front brakes and =
when it bled a bit, they freed up. I
 had noticed the front brakes were smoking when I stopped.=C2=A0</div>
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<br>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Anybody had issue and have any tips for how to fix this one? Easy enough to=
 replace, if necessary, but hate to throw away a brand new one if it&#39;s =
a known issue/fix.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
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Hi guys,
An update on my locking up MC. I did adjust the booster rod in just a tad, =
but also pulled the new MC apart and lubed it with the red grease. Been on =
a few rides and so far so good. I'd recommend re- lubing a new TRW MC if yo=
u get one. I believe that was the fix.

BTW, Rimmer Bros did send me a replacement MC, but I just couldn't stomach =
just throwing away a brand new one. So now I have a spare new-in-box.

Sloane :)
69-Six
72-Spit

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Subject: Re: [6pack] New Master Cylinder locking up

Sloane

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Hi guys,&nbsp;</div>
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An update on my locking up MC. I did adjust the booster rod in just a tad, =
but also pulled the new MC apart and lubed it with the red grease. Been on =
a few rides and so far so good. I'd recommend re- lubing a new TRW MC if yo=
u get one. I believe that was the
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BTW, Rimmer Bros did send me a replacement MC, but I just couldn't stomach =
just throwing away a brand new one. So now I have a spare new-in-box.&nbsp;=
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Sloane :)</div>
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69-Six</div>
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Yea, I had seen the booster rod was adjustable, and I adjusted it in a litt=
le bit, but wasn't really sure what I was doing.&nbsp; I'll tell you, a new=
 booster surely does feel like the car has 'power brakes' for the first tim=
e ever. Maybe I need to adjust that rod
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I think my 2nd issue must have been the tipping valve. I've never touched m=
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Again, I'm going to re-bleed the fronts and take it for a ride.&nbsp;</div>
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