From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 2 11:17:05 2016 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1632588492 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2016 11:17:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail03.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BA99258634E for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:52:51 -0600 (MDT) t=1470088366; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=crqH0/K29/cVaDiJaSvJBsaVWya5C6z/OPWZMvYnWtPUQ/4JaSb4j64W214vpBK5T BVHx6wg67OKxmthTcc3ofl6v9LFe9ExGME5NppWIPMopfVbRv+CSN9YHO5FVfXnS12 zZzx+ZOuXR048bpRqHt0uUTi/qUiA/13CamgfHPU= Received: from outbound-mail.vgs.untd.com (webmail06.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.146]) by smtpout51.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABM39TEBALSPLHS for <6pack@autox.team.net> (sender ); Mon, 1 Aug 2016 14:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [74.83.5.201] by webmail06.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:50:31 GMT Full-Name: "mjmullin@juno.com" Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:50:31 GMT To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] 2016 Trials Registrations From: mjmullin--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7261259875533441666== ----__JWM__J590edccd.cc4b9deS.74c12fd0M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Everyone: Matt here, 6-PACK Vice-Chair and infrequent email list post= er.....If you are going to be attending, thinking about attending, or ha= ven't given any thought to attending ('till just now) the 6-PACK TRials = at Mohican State Park in Perrysville, Ohio, September 8-11, please get y= our registration sent in soon. A link to the registration form is at th= e top of the 6-PACK.org website. With the TRials now less than five wee= ks away, the event staff need to order tee-shirts, plan meals, etc, etc,= and would like to get a handle on attendance numbers. Thanks, and I'm l= ooking forward to seeing everyone there! Matt ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! = www.netzero.net?refcd=3Dnzmem0216 ----__JWM__J590edccd.cc4b9deS.74c12fd0M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

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Buy a new top or, 2. Try to repair. (what are the products you guys recommend?) Note: my cracks are at the fold ( passenger side window) that include tears and partial separation of the plastic window from the vinyl and small tear in the vinyl top at the fold. Alan Graffam in Windsor Locks, CT. 74 French Blue ____________________________________________________________ WAHC Durban Millionaire Exposes How He Earns R1079/Hour from Home http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57a9f36c76888736c41bast01duc _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 11 20:46:43 2016 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D25225860CC for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 20:46:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail40c28.carrierzone.com (mail40c28.carrierzone.com [66.175.52.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7E225881EF for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 13:20:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from GRR-2015.cts.com ([63.200.214.122]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail40c28.carrierzone.com (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id u79JKQaC016898 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 19:20:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 12:20:19 -0700 To: 6pack@autox.team.net reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [6pack] high RPM, won't come down From: Glenn Rattmann via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Gents, The car is 74.5 with stock Strombergs (175 CD-2 SE) and stock engine, . The last carb rebuild by me was probably 2002, but maybe only 4,000 miles since then. My occasional driver; it has about 105k miles on it. The car had one DPO, he did a valve job at aroung 75k miles. I'm certain carb shaft bushings were never re-done. Problem is-- Engine hot, after a few minutes of stopandgo driving, I might reach say 3500 RPM in normal shift sequences. When I let off the throttle during shifting, or want to decelerate, the RPM sometimes stays at the high peak-- like 3500! A few frantic kicks of the pedal will "usually" bring things down to normal idle-- but it's dicey. There is no stumble on acceleration. I have inspected the action of the pedal/carb linkage when car is at rest, and nothing there seems amiss. So I don't think the linkage is hanging up somewhere (externally). Dashpots are losing oil 'too quickly' and I always have to top them up after the car sits for extended periods (weeks) following, say, a 90 mile drive. Yesterday I pulled the air cleaner for a look, and noticed both carbs have oily gunk on the piston and the contact area of the carb bottom interface The rear one is worse than the front one. Not much doubt that the bypassing oil is responsible for the gunk-- but can the gunk be the cause of the symptom? After some carb cleaner spray, and cleaning out the reachable areas, and adding some oil, I notice the pistons lift normally, falling with a normal 'click' . Prior to the cleaning, the pistons didn't fall normally, but were hanging up slightly when falling. I pulled the carb tops and lifted out the diaphragm/piston/needle. The diaphragms seem ok to me (no obvious tears or cracks) and the alignment tab was correct. I suppose "pinholes" could be there, but not visible...? Pistons look fine, the needles are straight and move correctly against their spring action internally. I have some spare o-rings for the dashpot oil chambers so today I will install them. Could the leaking oil and subsequent gunk I mentioned be the cause of the throttle staying high, as described? If so, then the cleaning plus adding the new o-ring on each dashpot should eliminate the problem. Any comments appreciated. I'm aware that anything beyond this procedure (relatively easy, carbs remain on car) will likely require pulling the carbs . Then we are looking at things like butterfly hang-up... float behavior...float valve... bypass valves... and so on, right? Who sells the best quality float assembly replacement? And which vendor's carb rebuild kits are "best", which partly means "they include the dashpot o-ring" as they should. ISTR years ago, some kits didn't have that o-ring. Thanks, Glenn/San Diego 74.5 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 12 11:41:17 2016 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950BF2587B19 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f182.google.com (mail-yw0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18362587B46 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 05:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yw0-f182.google.com with SMTP id j12so13560158ywb.2 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 04:41:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uiBDqWTXgsSgpOf3atvfuzT7/xuoFzkH/R4Rtp+h/HM=; b=qPYZqcLT5u6+/h9BDNSQNn/ijZw2zZWuoRkLPdQzMw7q7o94Q2VaTFlH+3N0Ow1XMq tb/UcCmzgyKUqwFKbyQWTlvySJ9X5C2gGf8mj7WxHCUcPxfwvB9+xNxDw5N1/GI6VXI7 daRPS4rOvQwik81sn+yu/ENm2JkHj7EQxSemspRiBZIO+d3czTSAHd9E/2xy3UyJA2Vh BhYloFP2du+9KCwrhpq1BnUwEhqbpYAp1PT4gSlRg1zOGapN4wK2pdQHtNSswB97TS9b 0Zw99ee8nEKVgkw2gTwDZgD3mGZ3gQmU87ZNkbsR0zhKutkYPr7w5IfGSdx687eMDy09 lVxg== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uiBDqWTXgsSgpOf3atvfuzT7/xuoFzkH/R4Rtp+h/HM=; b=ITR0sN+Bna0r1GgkdFAsyVcu6t/54CW+kecHaICec9asr7dfSkBoK5HtJheHR5nzsw E17XmYM7E9xuZBiPOjNDMHpDIXnFwWv8PQPUvPcQr3RUbCDL2DyUVUIl80gYNFW9iaCo A1jFuwRFrBRqKZHoZ297P8MLVfjV5pRJZbGVAj5FBeYtJJLUS8F0iswOzQN86FPoJbiA DfhVQx+fy2aImhdIgAZw+ZN3EQvviABlSHSDNIl5c6Xzmqq4YtLwOJMrYiZi81CTAoLX sWovciab9R9TOsbfWAxG6mGNdlVotndl1ey/sAEotpfqKat2WP/QJUNicVDcvWvqapiW EB9Q== Fri, 12 Aug 2016 04:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.202.202 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 04:41:48 -0700 (PDT) References: <20160809.111344.30822.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 07:41:48 -0400 To: "otral@juno.com" Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Damaged top From: alan salvatore via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0926273424019816133== --94eb2c0819d02e5e060539de5e79 If it was just a tear in the vinyl you could put a patch behind it. With the window separating, I guess I would toss it and buy new. Al On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:13 AM, otral--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > What are my options? > > 1. Buy a new top or, > > 2. Try to repair. (what are the products you guys recommend?) > > Note: my cracks are at the fold ( passenger side window) that include > tears and partial separation of the plastic window from the vinyl and small > tear in the vinyl top at the fold. > > Alan Graffam in Windsor Locks, CT. 74 French Blue > ____________________________________________________________ > WAHC > Durban Millionaire Exposes How He Earns R1079/Hour from Home > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57a9f36c76888736c41bast01duc > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/6pack/alansalvy@gmail.com > > --94eb2c0819d02e5e060539de5e79 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If it was just a tear in the vinyl you could put a pa= tch behind it.

With the window separating, I guess I would toss i= t and buy new.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:13 AM, otral--- via 6pack <= span dir=3D"ltr"><6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:

What are my options?

1. Buy a new top or,

2. Try to repair.=C2=A0 =C2=A0(what are the products you guys=C2=A0 recomme= nd?)

Note: my cracks are at the fold ( passenger side window) that include tears= and partial separation of the plastic window from the vinyl and small tear= in the vinyl top at the fold.

Alan Graffam in Windsor Locks,=C2=A0 CT.=C2=A0 74=C2=A0 French Blue
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On 8/12/2016 6:41 AM, alan salvatore via 6pack wrote:

If it was just a tear in the vinyl you could put a patch behind it.

With the window separating, I guess I would toss it and buy new.

Al

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:13 AM, otral--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:

What are my options?

1. Buy a new top or,

2. Try to repair.� �(what are the products you guys� recommend?)

Note: my cracks are at the fold ( passenger side window) that include tears and partial separation of the plastic window from the vinyl and small tear in the vinyl top at the fold.

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I've had by 250 since new. I am almost certain the original window folded on the vinyl part that separates the two small windows from the rear window. My new replacement top folds on the clear window portion. I think it would last longer with the original design. Has anyone else noted this difference? - Larry On 8/9/2016 10:13 AM, otral--- via 6pack wrote: > What are my options? > > 1. Buy a new top or, > > 2. Try to repair. (what are the products you guys recommend?) > > Note: my cracks are at the fold ( passenger side window) that include tears and partial separation of the plastic window from the vinyl and small tear in the vinyl top at the fold. > > Alan Graffam in Windsor Locks, CT. 74 French Blue > ____________________________________________________________ > WAHC > Durban Millionaire Exposes How He Earns R1079/Hour from Home > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57a9f36c76888736c41bast01duc > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/cartravel@pobox.com > > _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 13 07:01:57 2016 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0DF2587DDF for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 07:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DD72588790 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 06:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=glemon@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:6919] helo=cdptpa-web26) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id C9/BD-23133-6531FA75; Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:32:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:32:22 +0000 To: Larry Young Sensitivity: Normal Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:32:22 +0000 Cc: Larry Young via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Damaged top From: glemon--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net My Robbins replacement top on my TR250 folds on the vinyl, I don't think they are supposed to fold on the window either. 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Ten years ago I put a new top on my brother's 73 = TR6. Ever noticed that TR6s only have 3 snaps on each side, but Spitfire's = have 4 snaps each? We made a very simple modification and put 4 snaps on hi= s. Top always folds in between the corner and rear window and the windows s= till look brand new. The top boot goes on much easier too with the top nice= ly folded flat on thy vinyl not the plastic. Sloane 69 Six 72 Spit ________________________________ From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Larry Young via 6pa= ck <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 7:28 PM To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Damaged top I mentioned replacing the window, but wanted to mention something else. I've had by 250 since new. I am almost certain the original window folded on the vinyl part that separates the two small windows from the rear window. My new replacement top folds on the clear window portion. I think it would last longer with the original design. Has anyone else noted this difference? - Larry _______________________________________________ www.team.net www.team.net The Team.Net email, archive, ftp and web services are run on a part time vo= lunteer basis. There are out of pocket expenses involved in the network con= nection, name ... Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack otmail.com --_000_BL2PR18MB0867E12FD7F98ACF79D09B5A8E100BL2PR18MB0867namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys,

Don't let this hi-jack the original question, but regarding Larry's comm= ent below: Thirty years ago I put a new top on mine and although it's still= on the car, it has the same issues in the original poster's question, sepa= rating on both rear corners. Ten years ago I put a new top on my brother's 73 TR6. Ever noticed that TR6s o= nly have 3 snaps on each side, but Spitfire's have 4 snaps each? We made a = very simple modification and put 4 snaps on his. Top always folds in betwee= n the corner and rear window and the windows still look brand new. The top boot goes on much easier to= o with the top nicely folded flat on thy vinyl not the plastic. <= /p>

Sloane

69 Six

72 Spit

From: 6pack <6pack-bou= nces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Larry Young via 6pack <6pack@autox.= team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 7:28 PM
To: 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Damaged top

I mentioned replacing the window, but wanted to me= ntion something else.
I've had by 250 since new. I am almost certain the original window
folded on the vinyl part that separates the two small windows from the
rear window. My new replacement top folds on the clear window portion= .
I think it would last longer with the original design. Has anyone else
noted this difference? - Larry

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The pistons hanging up in a high position will certainly do it. That lets more fuel into the carb throat. The throttle shaft seals are probably worn so the carbs are sucking in air from there. Add the extra fuel to that extra air, and there's your problem. Changing the o-rings in the pistons is a must-do but get ready for a rebuild. The rebuild kit includes new bushings for the throttle shafts. I've never done it, but I've wondered if spraying some white grease onto the throttle shafts where they enter/exit the carb body might temporarily seal the air leak caused by worn seals, or even better, cause the seals to expand a bit. Might be worth a shot. Colin 74-1/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: 6pack-request@autox.team.net To: 6pack@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:00:01 AM Subject: 6pack Digest, Vol 23, Issue 4 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to 6pack@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 6pack-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at 6pack-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." Today's Topics: 1. high RPM, won't come down (Glenn Rattmann) 2. Re: Damaged top (alan salvatore) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 12:20:19 -0700 From: Glenn Rattmann To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] high RPM, won't come down Gents, The car is 74.5 with stock Strombergs (175 CD-2 SE) and stock engine, . The last carb rebuild by me was probably 2002, but maybe only 4,000 miles since then. My occasional driver; it has about 105k miles on it. The car had one DPO, he did a valve job at aroung 75k miles. I'm certain carb shaft bushings were never re-done. Problem is-- Engine hot, after a few minutes of stopandgo driving, I might reach say 3500 RPM in normal shift sequences. When I let off the throttle during shifting, or want to decelerate, the RPM sometimes stays at the high peak-- like 3500! A few frantic kicks of the pedal will "usually" bring things down to normal idle-- but it's dicey. There is no stumble on acceleration. I have inspected the action of the pedal/carb linkage when car is at rest, and nothing there seems amiss. So I don't think the linkage is hanging up somewhere (externally). Dashpots are losing oil 'too quickly' and I always have to top them up after the car sits for extended periods (weeks) following, say, a 90 mile drive. Yesterday I pulled the air cleaner for a look, and noticed both carbs have oily gunk on the piston and the contact area of the carb bottom interface The rear one is worse than the front one. Not much doubt that the bypassing oil is responsible for the gunk-- but can the gunk be the cause of the symptom? After some carb cleaner spray, and cleaning out the reachable areas, and adding some oil, I notice the pistons lift normally, falling with a normal 'click' . Prior to the cleaning, the pistons didn't fall normally, but were hanging up slightly when falling. I pulled the carb tops and lifted out the diaphragm/piston/needle. The diaphragms seem ok to me (no obvious tears or cracks) and the alignment tab was correct. I suppose "pinholes" could be there, but not visible...? Pistons look fine, the needles are straight and move correctly against their spring action internally. I have some spare o-rings for the dashpot oil chambers so today I will install them. Could the leaking oil and subsequent gunk I mentioned be the cause of the throttle staying high, as described? If so, then the cleaning plus adding the new o-ring on each dashpot should eliminate the problem. Any comments appreciated. I'm aware that anything beyond this procedure (relatively easy, carbs remain on car) will likely require pulling the carbs . Then we are looking at things like butterfly hang-up... float behavior...float valve... bypass valves... and so on, right? Who sells the best quality float assembly replacement? And which vendor's carb rebuild kits are "best", which partly means "they include the dashpot o-ring" as they should. ISTR years ago, some kits didn't have that o-ring. Thanks, Glenn/San Diego 74.5 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 07:41:48 -0400 From: alan salvatore To: "otral@juno.com" Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Damaged top If it was just a tear in the vinyl you could put a patch behind it. With the window separating, I guess I would toss it and buy new. Al On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:13 AM, otral--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > What are my options? > > 1. Buy a new top or, > > 2. Try to repair. (what are the products you guys recommend?) > > Note: my cracks are at the fold ( passenger side window) that include > tears and partial separation of the plastic window from the vinyl and small > tear in the vinyl top at the fold. > > Alan Graffam in Windsor Locks, CT. 74 French Blue > ____________________________________________________________ > WAHC > Durban Millionaire Exposes How He Earns R1079/Hour from Home > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57a9f36c76888736c41bast01duc > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/6pack/alansalvy@gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Your high RPM is likely caused by a fe= w things occurring at once. The pistons hanging up in a high position will = certainly do it. That lets more fuel into the carb throat. The throttle sha= ft seals are probably worn so the carbs are sucking in air from there. Add = the extra fuel to that extra air, and there's your problem. Changing the o-= rings in the pistons is a must-do but get ready for a rebuild. The rebuild = kit includes new bushings for the throttle shafts. I've never done it, but = I've wondered if spraying some white grease onto the throttle shafts where = they enter/exit the carb body might temporarily seal the air leak caused by= worn seals, or even better, cause the seals to expand a bit. Might be wort= h a shot.

Colin

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Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 12:20:19 = -0700
From: Glenn Rattmann <k6na@cts.com>
To: 6pack@autox.team.= net
Subject: [6pack] high RPM, won't come down
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Gents,
The car is 74.= 5 with stock Strombergs (175 CD-2 SE) and stock engine, .
The last carb = rebuild by me was probably 2002, but maybe only 4,000
miles since then.= My occasional driver; it has about 105k miles on
it. The c= ar had one DPO, he did a valve job at aroung 75k
miles. I'm certa= in carb shaft bushings were never re-done.

Problem is-- Engine hot, = after a few minutes of stopandgo driving, I
might reach say 3500 RPM in= normal shift sequences. When I let off
the throttle during shift= ing, or want to decelerate, the RPM
sometimes stays at the high peak-- = like 3500! A few frantic kicks of
the pedal will "usually" bring = things down to normal idle-- but it's
dicey. There is no s= tumble on acceleration.

I have inspected the action of the pedal/car= b linkage when car is at
rest, and nothing there seems amiss. So = I don't think the linkage is
hanging up somewhere (externally).

= Dashpots are losing oil 'too quickly' and I always have to top them
up = after the car sits for extended periods (weeks) following, say, a
90 mi= le drive. Yesterday I pulled the air cleaner for a look, and
noti= ced both carbs have oily gunk on the piston and the contact area
of the= carb bottom interface The rear one is worse than the front
one. = Not much doubt that the bypassing oil is responsible for the
gunk= -- but can the gunk be the cause of the symptom?

After some carb cle= aner spray, and cleaning out the reachable areas,
and adding some oil, = I notice the pistons lift normally, falling with
a normal 'click' . &nb= sp;Prior to the cleaning, the pistons didn't fall
normally, but were ha= nging up slightly when falling.

I pulled the carb tops and lifted ou= t the
diaphragm/piston/needle. The diaphragms seem ok to me (no o= bvious
tears or cracks) and the alignment tab was correct. I supp= ose
"pinholes" could be there, but not visible...? Pistons look = fine,
the needles are straight and move correctly against their spring =
action internally.

I have some spare o-rings for the dashpot oil= chambers so today I
will install them. Could the leaking oil and= subsequent gunk I
mentioned be the cause of the throttle staying high,= as
described? If so, then the cleaning plus adding the new o-rin= g on
each dashpot should eliminate the problem. Any comments appr= eciated.

I'm aware that anything beyond this procedure (relatively e= asy, carbs
remain on car) will likely require pulling the carbs . = ;Then we are
looking at things like butterfly hang-up... float behavior= ...float
valve... bypass valves... and so on, right?

Who sells t= he best quality float assembly replacement? And which
vendor's ca= rb rebuild kits are "best", which partly means "they
include the = dashpot o-ring" as they should. ISTR years ago, some
kits didn't = have that o-ring.

Thanks,

Glenn/San Diego
74.5

=

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Date: Fri, 12 A= ug 2016 07:41:48 -0400
From: alan salvatore <alansalvy@gmail.com><= br>To: "otral@juno.com" <otral@juno.com>
Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net= " <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Damaged top
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If it was just a tear in the vin= yl you could put a patch behind it.
With the window separating, I guess = I would toss it and buy new.
Al

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:13 AM, = otral--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
wrote:

> What = are my options?
>
> 1. Buy a new top or,
>
> 2. Try= to repair. (what are the products you guys recommend?)
>= ;
> Note: my cracks are at the fold ( passenger side window) that inc= lude
> tears and partial separation of the plastic window from the vi= nyl and small
> tear in the vinyl top at the fold.
>
> Al= an Graffam in Windsor Locks, CT. 74 French Blue
> _= ___________________________________________________________
> WAHC> Durban Millionaire Exposes How He Earns R1079/Hour from Home
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------=_Part_58583734_439871158.1471203016225-- --===============4626246070959968177== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============4626246070959968177==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 15 16:26:23 2016 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80AF2586A0F for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 16:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.119]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9AD2589033 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:59:48 -0600 (MDT) t=1471294792; bh=xiLSBx7x2PV95CofmUOn+1kR466Kkh/YCB0JiPuAUHs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=hfJpf2fmBZ0FE5U2xQsvwrdi1TabZ5E3r3a94m+MLiDv+tlXn+jK1FrI76kRRLECCz7e86+rknaW2crITUD3ZaL+5OwH7N6T/A7Kxv/JX8Sy/txgXb17PAe9nPOpe6SYwzsz53GcsIKn9WvNzPx1NNAzPxqOdSFQsETSgF0CsJShKUL4rDZK2CXDv/u6IEFj8Ypz+1KgypTTLD1w9m5Y3nvp7yCXCDV0kqnfFCYk5qppw6YyZ3BzS08ZnXKHJS6yFY8JljuaxDeBtLOTWaDBG/9xk1rjyOrhYWJqE7wprICvnorutmddTbfdQgc4kT9kNChY36o0la0S3pBPf4p+9w== Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2016 20:59:52 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.129] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2016 20:56:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.171] by tm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2016 20:56:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2016 20:56:53 -0000 Received: from jws100185.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sendmailws123.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 Aug 2016 20:56:52 +0000; 1471294612.819 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 20:56:52 +0000 (UTC) To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: Subject: Re: [6pack] 6pack Digest, Vol 23, Issue 6 From: rnorris1--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5205725438127440627== boundary="----=_Part_15311341_790817999.1471294612459" ------=_Part_15311341_790817999.1471294612459 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regarding the high rpm issue, while indeed the issue may be the carbs in wh= ich case just discard this reply. In the case of my '75, the cause of a 200= 0 rpm idle turned out to be worn springs on the distributor or maybe it was= just nasty inside. When all other remedies failed and it was obvious that = the distributor was at issue, I sent it off or rebuild and it now idles per= fectly. Just sayin',=C2=A0=C2=A0Rick Norris=20 On Monday, August 15, 2016 1:43 PM, "6pack-request@autox.team.net" <6pa= ck-request@autox.team.net> wrote: =20 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6pack@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6pack-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6pack-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." Today's Topics: =C2=A0 1. High RPM, won't come down (COLIN THOM) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 13:30:16 -0600 (MDT) From: COLIN THOM To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] High RPM, won't come down Glenn=20 Your high RPM is likely caused by a few things occurring at once. The pisto= ns hanging up in a high position will certainly do it. That lets more fuel = into the carb throat. The throttle shaft seals are probably worn so the car= bs are sucking in air from there. Add the extra fuel to that extra air, and= there's your problem. Changing the o-rings in the pistons is a must-do but= get ready for a rebuild. The rebuild kit includes new bushings for the thr= ottle shafts. I've never done it, but I've wondered if spraying some white = grease onto the throttle shafts where they enter/exit the carb body might t= emporarily seal the air leak caused by worn seals, or even better, cause th= e seals to expand a bit. Might be worth a shot.=20 Colin=20 74-1/2=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: 6pack-request@autox.team.net=20 To: 6pack@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:00:01 AM=20 Subject: 6pack Digest, Vol 23, Issue 4=20 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to=20 6pack@autox.team.net=20 To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit=20 http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack=20 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to=20 6pack-request@autox.team.net=20 You can reach the person managing the list at=20 6pack-owner@autox.team.net=20 When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific=20 than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..."=20 Today's Topics:=20 1. high RPM, won't come down (Glenn Rattmann)=20 2. Re: Damaged top (alan salvatore)=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------=20 Message: 1=20 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 12:20:19 -0700=20 From: Glenn Rattmann =20 To: 6pack@autox.team.net=20 Subject: [6pack] high RPM, won't come down=20 Gents,=20 The car is 74.5 with stock Strombergs (175 CD-2 SE) and stock engine, .=20 The last carb rebuild by me was probably 2002, but maybe only 4,000=20 miles since then. My occasional driver; it has about 105k miles on=20 it. The car had one DPO, he did a valve job at aroung 75k=20 miles. I'm certain carb shaft bushings were never re-done.=20 Problem is-- Engine hot, after a few minutes of stopandgo driving, I=20 might reach say 3500 RPM in normal shift sequences. When I let off=20 the throttle during shifting, or want to decelerate, the RPM=20 sometimes stays at the high peak-- like 3500! A few frantic kicks of=20 the pedal will "usually" bring things down to normal idle-- but it's=20 dicey. There is no stumble on acceleration.=20 I have inspected the action of the pedal/carb linkage when car is at=20 rest, and nothing there seems amiss. So I don't think the linkage is=20 hanging up somewhere (externally).=20 Dashpots are losing oil 'too quickly' and I always have to top them=20 up after the car sits for extended periods (weeks) following, say, a=20 90 mile drive. Yesterday I pulled the air cleaner for a look, and=20 noticed both carbs have oily gunk on the piston and the contact area=20 of the carb bottom interface The rear one is worse than the front=20 one. Not much doubt that the bypassing oil is responsible for the=20 gunk-- but can the gunk be the cause of the symptom?=20 After some carb cleaner spray, and cleaning out the reachable areas,=20 and adding some oil, I notice the pistons lift normally, falling with=20 a normal 'click' . Prior to the cleaning, the pistons didn't fall=20 normally, but were hanging up slightly when falling.=20 I pulled the carb tops and lifted out the=20 diaphragm/piston/needle. The diaphragms seem ok to me (no obvious=20 tears or cracks) and the alignment tab was correct. I suppose=20 "pinholes" could be there, but not visible...? Pistons look fine,=20 the needles are straight and move correctly against their spring=20 action internally.=20 I have some spare o-rings for the dashpot oil chambers so today I=20 will install them. Could the leaking oil and subsequent gunk I=20 mentioned be the cause of the throttle staying high, as=20 described? If so, then the cleaning plus adding the new o-ring on=20 each dashpot should eliminate the problem. Any comments appreciated.=20 I'm aware that anything beyond this procedure (relatively easy, carbs=20 remain on car) will likely require pulling the carbs . Then we are=20 looking at things like butterfly hang-up... float behavior...float=20 valve... bypass valves... and so on, right?=20 Who sells the best quality float assembly replacement? And which=20 vendor's carb rebuild kits are "best", which partly means "they=20 include the dashpot o-ring" as they should. ISTR years ago, some=20 kits didn't have that o-ring.=20 Thanks,=20 Glenn/San Diego=20 74.5=20 ------------------------------=20 Message: 2=20 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 07:41:48 -0400=20 From: alan salvatore =20 To: "otral@juno.com" =20 Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>=20 Subject: Re: [6pack] Damaged top=20 Message-ID:=20 = =20 If it was just a tear in the vinyl you could put a patch behind it.=20 With the window separating, I guess I would toss it and buy new.=20 Al=20 On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:13 AM, otral--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>= =20 wrote:=20 > What are my options?=20 >=20 > 1. Buy a new top or,=20 >=20 > 2. Try to repair. 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Regarding the high rpm issue, while indeed the issue = may be the carbs in which case just discard this reply. In the case of my '= 75, the cause of a 2000 rpm idle turned out to be worn springs on the distr= ibutor or maybe it was just nasty inside. When all other remedies failed an= d it was obvious that the distributor was at issue, I sent it off or rebuil= d and it now idles perfectly.

Just s= ayin',

Rick Norris

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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 13:30:16 -0600 = (MDT)
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Glenn

Your= high RPM is likely caused by a few things occurring at once. The pistons h= anging up in a high position will certainly do it. That lets more fuel into= the carb throat. The throttle shaft seals are probably worn so the carbs a= re sucking in air from there. Add the extra fuel to that extra air, and the= re's your problem. Changing the o-rings in the pistons is a must-do but get= ready for a rebuild. The rebuild kit includes new bushings for the throttl= e shafts. I've never done it, but I've wondered if spraying some white grea= se onto the throttle shafts where they enter/exit the carb body might tempo= rarily seal the air leak caused by worn seals, or even better, cause the se= als to expand a bit. Might be worth a shot.

Colin
74-1/2
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Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 12:20:19 -0700
Fro= m: Glenn Rattmann <k6na@cts.com>
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Gents,
The car is 74.5 wi= th stock Strombergs (175 CD-2 SE) and stock engine, .
The last carb reb= uild by me was probably 2002, but maybe only 4,000
miles since then. My= occasional driver; it has about 105k miles on
it. The car had one DPO,= he did a valve job at aroung 75k
miles. I'm certain carb shaft bushing= s were never re-done.

Problem is-- Engine hot, after a few minutes = of stopandgo driving, I
might reach say 3500 RPM in normal shift sequen= ces. When I let off
the throttle during shifting, or want to decelerate= , the RPM
sometimes stays at the high peak-- like 3500! A few frantic k= icks of
the pedal will "usually" bring things down to normal idle-- but= it's
dicey. There is no stumble on acceleration.

I have inspec= ted the action of the pedal/carb linkage when car is at
rest, and nothi= ng there seems amiss. So I don't think the linkage is
hanging up somewh= ere (externally).

Dashpots are losing oil 'too quickly' and I alway= s have to top them
up after the car sits for extended periods (weeks) f= ollowing, say, a
90 mile drive. Yesterday I pulled the air cleaner for = a look, and
noticed both carbs have oily gunk on the piston and the con= tact area
of the carb bottom interface The rear one is worse than the f= ront
one. Not much doubt that the bypassing oil is responsible for the =
gunk-- but can the gunk be the cause of the symptom?

After some= carb cleaner spray, and cleaning out the reachable areas,
and adding s= ome oil, I notice the pistons lift normally, falling with
a normal 'cli= ck' . Prior to the cleaning, the pistons didn't fall
normally, but were= hanging up slightly when falling.

I pulled the carb tops and lifte= d out the
diaphragm/piston/needle. The diaphragms seem ok to me (no obv= ious
tears or cracks) and the alignment tab was correct. I suppose
= "pinholes" could be there, but not visible...? Pistons look fine,
the n= eedles are straight and move correctly against their spring
action inte= rnally.

I have some spare o-rings for the dashpot oil chambers so t= oday I
will install them. Could the leaking oil and subsequent gunk I <= br>mentioned be the cause of the throttle staying high, as
described? I= f so, then the cleaning plus adding the new o-ring on
each dashpot shou= ld eliminate the problem. Any comments appreciated.

I'm aware that = anything beyond this procedure (relatively easy, carbs
remain on car) w= ill likely require pulling the carbs . Then we are
looking at things li= ke butterfly hang-up... float behavior...float
valve... bypass valves..= . and so on, right?

Who sells the best quality float assembly repla= cement? And which
vendor's carb rebuild kits are "best", which partly m= eans "they
include the dashpot o-ring" as they should. ISTR years ago, = some
kits didn't have that o-ring.

Thanks,

Glenn/San Di= ego
74.5

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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 07:41:48 -0400
From: alan salvatore = <alansalvy@gmail.com>
To: "otral@juno.com" <otral@juno.com>= ;
Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net= >
Subject: Re: [6pack] Damaged top
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If it was just a = tear in the vinyl you could put a patch behind it.
With the window sepa= rating, I guess I would toss it and buy new.
Al

On Tue, Aug 9, = 2016 at 11:13 AM, otral--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> =
wrote:

> What are my options?
>
> 1. Buy a new= top or,
>
> 2. Try to repair. (what are the products you guy= s recommend?)
>
> Note: my cracks are at the fold ( passenger= side window) that include
> tears and partial separation of the pla= stic window from the vinyl and small
> tear in the vinyl top at the = fold.
>
> Alan Graffam in Windsor Locks, CT. 74 French Blue <= br>> ____________________________________________________________
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Hey all;

I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel= and temp gauges
from working. I'll start up the car and those two = gauges don't function (the voltage
and oil pressure gauges work fin= e). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of driving, they'll
suddenly kick = on and stay on for the rest of the trip. Some trips, they don't come on=
at all. But when one comes on, they both come on. Strangely, when they= don't work,
neither do my turn signals! I've spent the afterno= on tracing wires for power (light
green) and ground wires (green w/blue= for temp gauge green and black for the fuel
gauge). Getting to the gau= ges can be quite the challenge. Any comments? Faulty voltage
stabilizer= , perhaps? I've replaced that in the past...

Dave Friedlander
'74 Six
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From: im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6065892737114386440== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_BL2PR18MB08678B7CB49E85DAF104976D8E140BL2PR18MB0867namp_" --_000_BL2PR18MB08678B7CB49E85DAF104976D8E140BL2PR18MB0867namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, You need to trace in on the schematic, but it sounds like you're losing pow= er to the Voltage Stabilizer, assuming it's down stream from the turn signa= l flasher. You can bypass the VS, both gauges will read high when full and = hot, to see if it's the cause, but it sounds to me like that circuit is los= ing power. It doesn't sound like a ground issue to me. It's not fun removing those gauges. It seems like removing the tach makes i= t easy to get to the VS on the back of the speedo. (unless I have that back= wards) Good Luck, Sloane 69 Six 72 Spit ________________________________ From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of David Friedlander v= ia 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 9:09 PM To: 6-Pack Subject: [6pack] Intermittent ground? Hey all; I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel and tem= p gauges from working. I'll start up the car and those two gauges don't function (th= e voltage and oil pressure gauges work fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of driving= , they'll ... Dave Friedlander '74 Six --_000_BL2PR18MB08678B7CB49E85DAF104976D8E140BL2PR18MB0867namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dave,

You need to trace in on the schematic, but it sounds like you're losing = power to the Voltage Stabilizer, assuming it's down stream from the turn si= gnal flasher. You can bypass the VS, both gauges will read high when full a= nd hot, to see if it's the cause, but it sounds to me like that circuit is losing power. It doesn't sound li= ke a ground issue to me.

It's not fun removing those gauges. It seems like removing the tach make= s it easy to get to the VS on the back of the speedo. (unless I have that b= ackwards)

Good Luck,

Sloane

69 Six

72 Spit

From: 6pack <6pack-bounc= es@autox.team.net> on behalf of David Friedlander via 6pack <6pack@au= tox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 9:09 PM
To: 6-Pack
Subject: [6pack] Intermittent ground?

Hey all;

I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel and tem= p gauges
from working. I'll start up the car and those two gauges don't function (th= e voltage
and oil pressure gauges work fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of driving= , they'll ...

Dave Friedlander
'74 Six

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From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3560479147199874389== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_BY1PR13MB01810143FA4B451329B6F1B380140BY1PR13MB0181namp_" --_000_BY1PR13MB01810143FA4B451329B6F1B380140BY1PR13MB0181namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Been a long time since I experienced the same issue but I think it is the v= oltage stabilizer. Especially since both are acting up. If I recall (withou= t consulting the wiring diagram) there may be one other item affected as we= ll, but then again maybe it is just those two gauges. I can look at the dia= gram if you need me too. -Sent from my Atari 2600- On Aug 16, 2016, at 6:02 PM, David Friedlander via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.= Hey all; I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel and tem= p gauges from working. I'll start up the car and those two gauges don't function (th= e voltage and oil pressure gauges work fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of driving= , they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the trip. Some trips, they don= 't come on at all. But when one comes on, they both come on. Strangely, when they don'= t work, neither do my turn signals! I've spent the afternoon tracing wires for powe= r (light green) and ground wires (green w/blue for temp gauge green and black for th= e fuel gauge). Getting to the gauges can be quite the challenge. Any comments? Fau= lty voltage stabilizer, perhaps? I've replaced that in the past... Dave Friedlander '74 Six _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack ail.com --_000_BY1PR13MB01810143FA4B451329B6F1B380140BY1PR13MB0181namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Been a long time since I experienced the same issue but I think it is the v= oltage stabilizer. Especially since both are acting up. If I recall (withou= t consulting the wiring diagram) there may be one other item affected as we= ll, but then again maybe it is just those two gauges. I can look at the diagram if you need me too.

—Sent from my Atari 2600—

On Aug 16, 2016, at 6:02 PM, David Friedlander via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:

Hey all;

I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel and tem= p gauges
from working. I'll start up the car and those two gauges don't function (th= e voltage
and oil pressure gauges work fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of driving= , they'll
suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the trip. Some trips, they don= 't come on
at all. But when one comes on, they both come on. Strangely, when they don'= t work,
neither do my turn signals! I've spent the afternoon tracing wires for powe= r (light
green) and ground wires (green w/blue for temp gauge green and black for th= e fuel
gauge). Getting to the gauges can be quite the challenge. Any comments? Fau= lty voltage
stabilizer, perhaps? I've replaced that in the past...

Dave Friedlander
'74 Six

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From: fetnerj001--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Dave, Could be the 10V voltage stabalized screwed to the back of the speedometer has a poor ground. The speedo needs to be grounded, usually with a black wire on one of the gauge case post thumbscrews. The heater fan works off that circuit as well - check it for power. Jeff ---- David Friedlander via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > Hey all; > > I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel and > temp gauges > from working. I'll start up the car and those two gauges don't function > (the voltage > and oil pressure gauges work fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of > driving, they'll > suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the trip. Some trips, they > don't come on > at all. But when one comes on, they both come on. Strangely, when they > don't work, > neither do my turn signals! I've spent the afternoon tracing wires for > power (light > green) and ground wires (green w/blue for temp gauge green and black for > the fuel > gauge). Getting to the gauges can be quite the challenge. Any comments? > Faulty voltage > stabilizer, perhaps? I've replaced that in the past... > > Dave Friedlander > '74 Six _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 17 14:41:27 2016 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FD22585FA8 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95DF25876ED for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:56:59 -0600 (MDT) t=1471463815; bh=06P/6ZrQpkRqoBtycBPv4zVMippEpy0VJDj8Na3e4hY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=Sy3q3+ccHDZnfg1tqgZfWcn3WovrQQn4SYoyTedRx2/kidPVW2H3+2Ku8xPi5h29YgI6eXjPVX0MMpnRPZI/SNnZBxDPGsGWxM7pIArrzfqvZ0Soz/RjzlNE54KC4hB0C7D2MN0UG6VwlYhSoZPwNIUTXrplAGbx+U6r3n0EeIA= Received: from [98.137.12.58] by nm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2016 19:56:55 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.241] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2016 19:56:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2016 19:56:55 -0000 EAogAGiol0jw6xLcMvdEXUy7bh.yg_HiebWUVkHxihcK1U3xfBHtBfkrGTyW6QrGvGWVB.e_s7rZ OlfQ17fK71jaSNmOkik1BAnZTk6nPiyC0esfDdLlNJTXOBMiM63mUgcW_88iniCvbcrn.XpYAB_P CNwCbAhMFDTtdEeMCR8nBhpXoCbvtJHNWpfeAknTgYjfwSS3wx4IwasJ64zSOcMBbaNWrgTbmy0R 60xyxkBwKkYZbU0lwMZuzR4r5gjj3bLsogzZURd_hG9ylxgdRVswcYzduShGUl8tTxnWKOy8GfJk mgyW6U9NpOztDDwoeFb6ehvuzHgnH12NntDAbgfrHREHIvzgxJMg4u1TZsq_eSwwIsYsDPqbaQGJ 4m7trp2QZpXKjUohZk7TAqpq3Xn0NvRRqkHbXW31pgfzcPM6CUtyW1H.q0.tC5QB7nZvCjvKxIBG CkZAtQCNH56LaKiLuTw2.yjT3KyAaGNigIGJ8JxFb4qj57br9h6qZ.vmV Received: from jws10719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com by sendmailws112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:56:54 +0000; 1471463814.737 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:56:54 +0000 (UTC) To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>, David Friedlander References: <2023022352.540519.1471463814530.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground? From: John Cyganowski via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0319014610593173487== boundary="----=_Part_540518_2061336896.1471463814527" ------=_Part_540518_2061336896.1471463814527 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel = and temp gauges from working. I'll start up the car and those two gauges do= n't function (the voltage and oil pressure gauges work fine). After maybe 1= 5 or 20 minutes of driving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the trip. Som= e trips, they don't come on at all. David- Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit.=C2=A0 Have someone sit in the= car while idling, monitoring the gauges. You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse box (I think)=C2=A0 See = what that does.=C2=A0 If your gauges come up, then I think you need to repl= ace the fuse box (not too expensive or difficult (getting the 2 screws out = is the hard part.) The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together.=C2=A0 After 40 years of vibration= and corrosion, they sometimes fail. Regards-John CygCC92527LO70 Damson ------=_Part_540518_2061336896.1471463814527 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<snip> I have been trying to track down the gremlin that= 's keeping my fuel and temp gauges from working. I'll start up the car and = those two gauges don't function (the voltage and oil pressure gauges work f= ine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of
driving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the= trip. Some trips, they
don'= t come on at all. <snip>

David-

Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit. Have someon= e sit in the car while idling, monitoring the gauges.

You push on (I think the top termi= nals of the fuse box (I think) See what that does. If your gaug= es come up, then I think you need to replace the fuse box (not too expensiv= e or difficult (getting the 2 screws out is the hard part.)

The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together. After 40 years of vibrat= ion and corrosion, they sometimes fail.

Regards-

John Cyg

CC92527LO

70 Damson

------=_Part_540518_2061336896.1471463814527-- --===============0319014610593173487== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============0319014610593173487==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 17 15:35:55 2016 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2986C2589672 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ua0-f169.google.com (mail-ua0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED122589279 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:22:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ua0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 97so189189194uav.3 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:23:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nbSdbtJCVbJ2kGBiSP5l4bZG4pHky8XcjFv8NL3MHEE=; b=xEY0mNmBP8TvMFT7TMyElvAJtWSAl851xggdsM1fW+6/6U5urcN9y5J8UPfHwcQDBs 2puThRypKJkr42Gq5Cj1EAgKupG2+djY0NPZnwxxcyKbAVbRF2JvHEPZAPT3NAr+cAuP wDFmTqRqx5j/WPFf89JeH/JReFxdmDs/PAmE7UVlmHQAqGuju/ZvLNRbgiIbLVWEOi5Q HPKcVZvfaZtAsfAoCN/yjjBlRgYh4e2BpcRAiG8HLnk/UZgMS9B6TP6ygS4RWN+ytYzG 8jNli8IUBlMl3je3Kq/NLvjVkUv4XoHX2r4aU5abfhaK3U2g1aeks3dlMNq2pDAUTYHt ZBkg== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=nbSdbtJCVbJ2kGBiSP5l4bZG4pHky8XcjFv8NL3MHEE=; b=C4izLKk51GNVBI37HDjHeLU77ZbgdThvIWLgp2Qe/swaqgyAtLH4sesIa5Bzt3uwiI pWYHfuJqVTZ/oRl9wEk9rbQ9EXk0sZ56WxjPSW2euprOflEwpD2LbxLELZN/+hv7vpeN J6n5xVi8ieSUV9dJwBqqrffQ9l21vNaYofgEzX7u9kD1u/RzLJIryub6coddPbcbILw8 zMjp4+xzOmGT4ZVyaqrnYkHVdbs55CwVVqDSeaEhfU8FMKIhJXW+qivYPcaxgYa+2Y30 /MeYixHbB8dV4Jy/d18U4zI+TT32O0g1h+AGnyEqkjk5S1sb/REF9qUPh+bAWJgO3IEW /w3w== 17 Aug 2016 13:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.55.173 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:22:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <2023022352.540519.1471463814530.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2023022352.540519.1471463814530@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:22:29 -0400 To: John Cyganowski , 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground? From: David Friedlander via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2285541242245881706== --001a113ddd583fdda9053a4a3b84 Thanks, John. Your thought process on this is quite good. It turned out that the problem was solved this afternoon, by simply removing the fuse, lightly sanding its metal ends, then reinserting it into the fuse clips! I knew *something* was quite there when I measured zero volts on one end of the fuse and 12.65 on the other! Prior to that, the heater fan, the turn signals, the wipers, the brake lights and the two gauges didn't work. I re-inserted that fuse and it's like 20,000 volts into Frankenstein's monster. It LIVES! Being as the fuse box is relatively new, as are the fuses, it was hard to imagine (*or* *SEE*) *any *corrosion that could cause such chaos! All from one green circuit fuse! It's been a long tome since everything worked so having everything back at the same time is like having a party with old, long-lost friends! LOL! Special kudos to IM Sloane for helping me think through this latest 'adventure'.... Thanks for responding, Dave On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, John Cyganowski wrote: > I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel > and temp gauges from working. I'll start up the car and those two gauges > don't function (the voltage and oil pressure gauges work fine). After maybe > 15 or 20 minutes of > driving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the trip. > Some trips, they > don't come on at all. > > David- > > Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit. Have someone sit in the car > while idling, monitoring the gauges. > > You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse box (I think) See what > that does. If your gauges come up, then I think you need to replace the > fuse box (not too expensive or difficult (getting the 2 screws out is the > hard part.) > > The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together. After 40 years of vibration and > corrosion, they sometimes fail. > > Regards- > John Cyg > CC92527LO > 70 Damson > --001a113ddd583fdda9053a4a3b84 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, John. Your thought process on = this is quite good. It turned out that the problem was solved this afternoo= n, by simply removing the fuse, lightly sanding its metal ends, then reinse= rting it into the fuse clips! I knew something was quite there when = I measured zero volts on one end of the fuse and 12.65 on the other! Prior = to that, the heater fan, the turn signals, the wipers, the brake lights and= the two gauges didn't work. I re-inserted that fuse and it's like = 20,000 volts into Frankenstein's monster. It LIVES! Being as the fuse b= ox is relatively new, as are the fuses, it was hard to imagine (or <= u>SEE) any corrosion that could cause such chaos! All from one g= reen circuit fuse! It's been a long tome since everything worked so hav= ing everything back at the same time is like having a party with old, long-= lost friends! LOL!

Special kudos to IM Slo= ane for helping me think through this latest 'adventure'....

Thanks for responding,=

Dave

On = Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, John Cyganowski <janah@att.net> wr= ote:

<snip> I have= been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel and temp = gauges from working. I'll start up the car and those two gauges don'= ;t function (the voltage and oil pressure gauges work fine). After maybe 15= or 20 minutes of
driving, they'll suddenly kick on= and stay on for the rest of the trip. Some trips, they
don't= come on at all. <snip>

David-

Those 2 gauges = are on the same power circuit.=C2=A0 Have someone sit in the car while idli= ng, monitoring the gauges.

You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse box (I think)=C2=A0 See= what that does.=C2=A0 If your gauges come up, then I think you need to rep= lace the fuse box (not too expensive or difficult (getting the 2 screws out= is the hard part.)

The TR= 6 fuse boxes were riveted together.=C2=A0 After 40 years of vibration and c= orrosion, they sometimes fail.

Regards-
John Cyg
CC92527L= O
70 Damson

<= br>

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From: glemon--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net These are still the traditional Lucas glass tube type fuses? Having owned British cars continously since about 1978 I will add a somewhat redundant and unnecessary, but very sincere and heartfelt "yes, they do that sometimes". Seem like it was more of an issue with my daily drivers back in the day than it has been with the fair weather cars the last few decades, but my own little snippet of experience is by no means a scientific study. At least it is a cheap and easy fix. Greg Lemon _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 18 05:16:01 2016 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249B225895A4 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 05:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495E02589418 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 05:07:53 -0600 (MDT) t=1471518474; bh=5BHJtMIY66Zs9P/pvwU/bQAO8J9Lbo8RxPxRS5lOrys=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=XAknpxbGRCRlxRpQZNZo+o4U4W45+q4ENdrYKUjk4NLeg97tp0S42sU8mW+nAWxIsfyhxf+icV04n3ms8J3Gsc4fvmxl1A+zs8zk8SfAk13+MR6M6Yuq3UErBQiUKO+hG9b0Ng84d3ygqzgvahvPGMxGxp+SDkKSU/ZhUfFmYBo= Received: from [98.137.12.56] by nm23.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2016 11:07:54 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.230] by tm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2016 11:07:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2016 11:07:54 -0000 CvaO28x5xtaAdaYvlb6EpkHqAdc2KhpBzCujVSEtP1At2JJjq2pPJA_38rmFL3lPAFxxbIa7Ufs1 XqmNavvM9jAoRkrn6KdyIQ.VIHON_xelIpW4cYOWEvKdHWk5VpWRomd5cidKqiIjmjoM55YTeVeO uta1HJzG_SFgkiflHs4ee.NWdfzBavKzotmpJRSPHOxqvSRu4wsV1CNC_2zlVl9IoLoQEwNcVNxb A41MPYKFJm44u29u9r_7WBgi3dbTLlGu0T2G0CGsbj8n.AaBm9gOLPZYm8GouQh5RWByVhSuvJCu n84wjhoDVG1DUEGL5xP5hTHdy92zLYeDD.ov_hyroegyKFtraAGxA.6CgCSTeVv2wN5PFNe4ip70 EOZQYU0TXN2gLwyax8jhMgP0uxeVRELGf0BhGzaGgpxt9G5pZ4ADOZN1KNfc9yHJrjT15a9b40V7 qGzwdLxvKxgFBEoiFExQ4irvGDgiJW4MB9VAi02CxSKydhM0AaNT2fdWVdh92G3MyoVs2TVeJSg-- Received: from jws10739.mail.gq1.yahoo.com by sendmailws128.mail.gq1.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:07:54 +0000; 1471518474.417 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:07:54 +0000 (UTC) To: David Friedlander , 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <2023022352.540519.1471463814530.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2023022352.540519.1471463814530@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground? From: John Cyganowski via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0398402762281869439== boundary="----=_Part_957807_325965455.1471518474133" ------=_Part_957807_325965455.1471518474133 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave- Glad it worked out.=C2=A0 I was losing those instruments and devices interm= ittently among other issues. Once I realized they were all on the same circuit, with some manipulation a= nd they would come back only to go again.=C2=A0 So I replaced the fuse box.= =C2=A0 This resolved about 95% of the issues. Corrosion is maybe too strong a word - but oxidation will certainly occur o= ver time and impact the contacts. Best of Luck-John From: David Friedlander To: John Cyganowski ; 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net>=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground? =20 Thanks, John. Your thought process on this is quite good. It turned out tha= t the problem was solved this afternoon, by simply removing the fuse, light= ly sanding its metal ends, then reinserting it into the fuse clips! I knew = something was quite there when I measured zero volts on one end of the fuse= and 12.65 on the other! Prior to that, the heater fan, the turn signals, t= he wipers, the brake lights and the two gauges didn't work. I re-inserted t= hat fuse and it's like 20,000 volts into Frankenstein's monster. It LIVES! = Being as the fuse box is relatively new, as are the fuses, it was hard to i= magine (or SEE) any corrosion that could cause such chaos! All from one gre= en circuit fuse! It's been a long tome since everything worked so having ev= erything back at the same time is like having a party with old, long-lost f= riends! LOL! Special kudos to IM Sloane for helping me think through this latest 'advent= ure'.... Thanks for responding, Dave On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, John Cyganowski wrote: I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel = and temp gauges from working. I'll start up the car and those two gauges do= n't function (the voltage and oil pressure gauges work fine). After maybe 1= 5 or 20 minutes of driving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the trip. Som= e trips, they don't come on at all. David- Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit.=C2=A0 Have someone sit in the= car while idling, monitoring the gauges. You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse box (I think)=C2=A0 See = what that does.=C2=A0 If your gauges come up, then I think you need to repl= ace the fuse box (not too expensive or difficult (getting the 2 screws out = is the hard part.) The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together.=C2=A0 After 40 years of vibration= and corrosion, they sometimes fail. Regards-John CygCC92527LO70 Damson =20 ------=_Part_957807_325965455.1471518474133 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dave-

Glad it worked out. I wa= s losing those instruments and devices intermittently among other issues.

Once I realized they were all on the s= ame circuit, with some manipulation and they would come back only to go aga= in. So I replaced the fuse box. This resolved about 95% of the = issues.

Corrosion is maybe too strong= a word - but oxidation will certainly occur over time and impact the conta= cts.

Best of Luck-

John
=

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From: David Friedlander <f= orzion7@gmail.com>
To:<= /b> John Cyganowski <janah@att.net>; 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net&= gt;
Sent: Wednesday, = August 17, 2016 4:22 PM
Subject:<= /span> Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground?

Thanks, John. You= r thought process on this is quite good. It turned out that the problem was= solved this afternoon, by simply removing the fuse, lightly sanding its me= tal ends, then reinserting it into the fuse clips! I knew something = was quite there when I measured zero volts on one end of the fuse and 12.65= on the other! Prior to that, the heater fan, the turn signals, the wipers,= the brake lights and the two gauges didn't work. I re-inserted that fuse a= nd it's like 20,000 volts into Frankenstein's monster. It LIVES! Being as t= he fuse box is relatively new, as are the fuses, it was hard to imagine (or SEE) any corrosion that could cause such chaos! All f= rom one green circuit fuse! It's been a long tome since everything worked s= o having everything back at the same time is like having a party with old, = long-lost friends! LOL!

Special kudos to IM Sloane for helping me think = through this latest 'adventure'....

Thanks for responding,

Dav= e

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, John Cyganowski <janah@att.net>= wrote:
<snip> I have been trying to track down the= gremlin that's keeping my fuel and temp gauges from working. I'll start up= the car and those two gauges don't function (the voltage and oil pressure = gauges work fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of
driving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for t= he rest of the trip. Some trips, they
don't come o= n at all. <snip>

David-

Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit. Have someone s= it in the car while idling, monitoring the gauges.
You push on (I think the top termin= als of the fuse box (I think) See what that does. If your gauge= s come up, then I think you need to replace the fuse box (not too expensive= or difficult (getting the 2 screws out is the hard part.)

The TR6 fuse boxes were riv= eted together. After 40 years of vibration and corrosion, they someti= mes fail.

R= egards-
John Cyg
CC92527LO
70 Damson

------=_Part_957807_325965455.1471518474133-- --===============0398402762281869439== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============0398402762281869439==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 18 07:30:24 2016 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3F32588FCB for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 07:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail01.lsn.net (mail01.lsn.net [66.90.130.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034992588F03 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 07:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC (65-36-79-11.dyn.grandenetworks.net [65.36.79.11]) by mail01.lsn.net (8.14.4/8.13.6) with SMTP id u7IDN2RZ013513; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:23:02 -0500 To: "John Cyganowski" , "David Friedlander" , "6-Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <2023022352.540519.1471463814530.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2023022352.540519.1471463814530@mail.yahoo.com> <1615097627.957808.1471518474143@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:22:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground? From: Steve Cates via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5368541442226682170== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01D1F929.B97E42D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01D1F929.B97E42D0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Will dielectric grease minimize the problem with oxidation on these = contacts? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Cyganowski via 6pack=20 To: David Friedlander ; 6-Pack=20 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground? Dave- Glad it worked out. I was losing those instruments and devices = intermittently among other issues. Once I realized they were all on the same circuit, with some = manipulation and they would come back only to go again. So I replaced = the fuse box. This resolved about 95% of the issues. Corrosion is maybe too strong a word - but oxidation will certainly = occur over time and impact the contacts. Best of Luck- John -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: David Friedlander To: John Cyganowski ; 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net>=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground? Thanks, John. Your thought process on this is quite good. It turned = out that the problem was solved this afternoon, by simply removing the = fuse, lightly sanding its metal ends, then reinserting it into the fuse = clips! I knew something was quite there when I measured zero volts on = one end of the fuse and 12.65 on the other! Prior to that, the heater = fan, the turn signals, the wipers, the brake lights and the two gauges = didn't work. I re-inserted that fuse and it's like 20,000 volts into = Frankenstein's monster. It LIVES! Being as the fuse box is relatively = new, as are the fuses, it was hard to imagine (or SEE) any corrosion = that could cause such chaos! All from one green circuit fuse! It's been = a long tome since everything worked so having everything back at the = same time is like having a party with old, long-lost friends! LOL! Special kudos to IM Sloane for helping me think through this latest = 'adventure'.... Thanks for responding, Dave On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, John Cyganowski = wrote: I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping = my fuel and temp gauges from working. I'll start up the car and those = two gauges don't function (the voltage and oil pressure gauges work = fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of driving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the = trip. Some trips, they don't come on at all. David- Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit. Have someone sit in = the car while idling, monitoring the gauges. You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse box (I think) = See what that does. If your gauges come up, then I think you need to = replace the fuse box (not too expensive or difficult (getting the 2 = screws out is the hard part.) The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together. After 40 years of = vibration and corrosion, they sometimes fail. Regards- John Cyg CC92527LO 70 Damson -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/scates1@mygrande.net ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01D1F929.B97E42D0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Will dielectric grease = minimize the=20 problem with oxidation on these contacts?

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John=20 Cyganowski via 6pack

To: David Friedlander ; 6-Pack=20

Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 = 6:07=20 AM

Subject: Re: [6pack] = Intermittent=20 ground?

Dave-

Glad it worked = out. I was=20 losing those instruments and devices intermittently among other = issues.

Once I realized they = were all on=20 the same circuit, with some manipulation and they would come back only = to go=20 again. So I replaced the fuse box. This resolved about 95% = of the=20 issues.

Corrosion is maybe too = strong a=20 word - but oxidation will certainly occur over time and impact the=20 contacts.

Best of Luck-

John

From: David = Friedlander=20 <forzion7@gmail.com>
To: John Cyganowski=20 <janah@att.net>; 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> =
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, = 2016 4:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: = [6pack]=20 Intermittent ground?

Thanks, John. Your thought process = on this is=20 quite good. It turned out that the problem was solved this afternoon, = by=20 simply removing the fuse, lightly sanding its metal ends, then = reinserting it=20 into the fuse clips! I knew something was quite there when I = measured=20 zero volts on one end of the fuse and 12.65 on the other! Prior to = that, the=20 heater fan, the turn signals, the wipers, the brake lights and the two = gauges=20 didn't work. I re-inserted that fuse and it's like 20,000 volts into=20 Frankenstein's monster. It LIVES! Being as the fuse box is relatively = new, as=20 are the fuses, it was hard to imagine (or SEE) any=20 corrosion that could cause such chaos! All from one green circuit = fuse!=20 It's been a long tome since everything worked so having everything = back at the=20 same time is like having a party with old, long-lost friends! LOL!

Special kudos to IM Sloane for = helping me=20 think through this latest 'adventure'....

Thanks for responding,

Dave

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, = John=20 Cyganowski <janah@att.net> = wrote:

<snip> I have been trying to track down the = gremlin=20 that's keeping my fuel and temp gauges from working. I'll start up = the car=20 and those two gauges don't function (the voltage and oil pressure = gauges=20 work fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes ofdriving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the = rest of the=20 trip. Some trips, they
don't come on at all.=20 <snip>

David-

Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit. = Have=20 someone sit in the car while idling, monitoring the gauges.

You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse = box (I=20 think) See what that does. If your gauges come up, then = I think=20 you need to replace the fuse box (not too expensive or difficult = (getting=20 the 2 screws out is the hard part.)

The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together. After = 40 years=20 of vibration and corrosion, they sometimes fail.

Regards-

John Cyg

CC92527LO

70 Damson

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From: David Friedlander via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5440297448377433689== --001a113ac90674121a053a58a5ec Steve/all; I have been wondering the same thing.... Which then led me to ask, is dielectric grease better applied to *assembled *components or to the */all*components which are then assembled? I'd like to believe that dielectric grease won't block the flow of current or degrade the quality of a connection. Comments? Dave On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steve Cates wrote: > Will dielectric grease minimize the problem with oxidation on these > contacts? > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Cyganowski via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > *To:* David Friedlander ; 6-Pack > <6pack@autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground? > > Dave- > > Glad it worked out. I was losing those instruments and devices > intermittently among other issues. > > Once I realized they were all on the same circuit, with some manipulation > and they would come back only to go again. So I replaced the fuse box. > This resolved about 95% of the issues. > > Corrosion is maybe too strong a word - but oxidation will certainly occur > over time and impact the contacts. > > Best of Luck- > John > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* David Friedlander > *To:* John Cyganowski ; 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground? > > Thanks, John. Your thought process on this is quite good. It turned out > that the problem was solved this afternoon, by simply removing the fuse, > lightly sanding its metal ends, then reinserting it into the fuse clips! I > knew *something* was quite there when I measured zero volts on one end of > the fuse and 12.65 on the other! Prior to that, the heater fan, the turn > signals, the wipers, the brake lights and the two gauges didn't work. I > re-inserted that fuse and it's like 20,000 volts into Frankenstein's > monster. It LIVES! Being as the fuse box is relatively new, as are the > fuses, it was hard to imagine (*or* *SEE*) *any *corrosion that could > cause such chaos! All from one green circuit fuse! It's been a long tome > since everything worked so having everything back at the same time is like > having a party with old, long-lost friends! LOL! > > Special kudos to IM Sloane for helping me think through this latest > 'adventure'.... > > Thanks for responding, > > Dave > > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, John Cyganowski wrote: > > I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping my fuel > and temp gauges from working. I'll start up the car and those two gauges > don't function (the voltage and oil pressure gauges work fine). After maybe > 15 or 20 minutes of > driving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the trip. > Some trips, they > don't come on at all. > > David- > > Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit. Have someone sit in the car > while idling, monitoring the gauges. > > You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse box (I think) See what > that does. If your gauges come up, then I think you need to replace the > fuse box (not too expensive or difficult (getting the 2 screws out is the > hard part.) > > The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together. After 40 years of vibration and > corrosion, they sometimes fail. > > Regards- > John Cyg > CC92527LO > 70 Damson > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/scates1@ > mygrande.net > > --001a113ac90674121a053a58a5ec Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve/all;

I have been wondering the same thing.... Which then led me to ask, is= dielectric grease better applied to assembled components or to the = /allcomponents which are then assembled? I'd like to believe tha= t dielectric grease won't block the flow of current or degrade the qual= ity of a connection. Comments?

Dave

= On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steve Cates <scates1@mygrande.net= > wrote:

Will dielectric grease minimiz= e the=20 problem with oxidation on these contacts?

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 John=20 Cyganowski via 6pack

To: David Friedlander= ; 6-Pack=20

Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:0= 7=20 AM

Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent= =20 ground?

Dave-

Glad it worked out.=C2=A0 I was=20 losing those instruments and devices intermittently among other issues.

Once I realized they were all on=20 the same circuit, with some manipulation and they would come back only to= go=20 again.=C2=A0 So I replaced the fuse box.=C2=A0 This resolved about 95% of= the=20 issues.

Corrosion is maybe too strong a=20 word - but oxidation will certainly occur over time and impact the=20 contacts.

Best of Luck-

John

From: David Friedlander=20 <forzion7@gmai= l.com>
To: John Cy= ganowski=20 <janah@att.net&= gt;; 6-Pack <6= pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack]= =20 Intermittent ground?

Th= anks, John. Your thought process on this is=20 quite good. It turned out that the problem was solved this afternoon, by= =20 simply removing the fuse, lightly sanding its metal ends, then reinsertin= g it=20 into the fuse clips! I knew something was quite there when I measu= red=20 zero volts on one end of the fuse and 12.65 on the other! Prior to that, = the=20 heater fan, the turn signals, the wipers, the brake lights and the two ga= uges=20 didn't work. I re-inserted that fuse and it's like 20,000 volts i= nto=20 Frankenstein's monster. It LIVES! Being as the fuse box is relatively= new, as=20 are the fuses, it was hard to imagine (or SEE) any=20 corrosion that could cause such chaos! All from one green circuit fus= e!=20 It's been a long tome since everything worked so having everything ba= ck at the=20 same time is like having a party with old, long-lost friends! LOL!

Sp= ecial kudos to IM Sloane for helping me=20 think through this latest 'adventure'....

Th= anks for responding,

Da= ve

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, John=20 Cyganowski <janah@att.net> w= rote:

<snip> I have been trying to track down the grem= lin=20 that's keeping my fuel and temp gauges from working. I'll start= up the car=20 and those two gauges don't function (the voltage and oil pressure g= auges=20 work fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of
dri= ving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the=20 trip. Some trips, they
don't come on at al= l.=20 <snip>

David-

Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit.=C2=A0 Ha= ve=20 someone sit in the car while idling, monitoring the gauges.

You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse box= (I=20 think)=C2=A0 See what that does.=C2=A0 If your gauges come up, then I t= hink=20 you need to replace the fuse box (not too expensive or difficult (getti= ng=20 the 2 screws out is the hard part.)

The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together.=C2=A0 After = 40 years=20 of vibration and corrosion, they sometimes fail.

Regards-

John Cyg

CC92527LO

70 Damson

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--001a113ac90674121a053a58a5ec-- --===============5440297448377433689== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============5440297448377433689==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 18 10:04:32 2016 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98037258979B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:04:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECD125895AD for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Accord ([76.184.96.42]) by p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Yflc1t0040urav801flcLT; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:45:37 -0700 To: "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <2023022352.540519.1471463814530.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2023022352.540519.1471463814530@mail.yahoo.com> <1615097627.957808.1471518474143@mail.yahoo.com> <5A4BE0F3AF8845FA89ACF99AF15634B8@StevePC> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:45:33 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground? From: dave n via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1826126043925745472== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01D1F93D.A5468AC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D1F93D.A5468AC0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not sure if this really explains it: = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_grease From: David Friedlander via 6pack=20 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:34 AM To: Steve Cates=20 Cc: John Cyganowski ; 6-Pack=20 Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground? Steve/all; I have been wondering the same thing.... Which then led me to ask, is = dielectric grease better applied to assembled components or to the = /allcomponents which are then assembled? I'd like to believe that = dielectric grease won't block the flow of current or degrade the quality = of a connection. Comments? Dave ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D1F93D.A5468AC0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

not sure if this really explains it: https://en.wikiped= ia.org/wiki/Silicone_grease

From: David Friedlander via 6pack =

Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:34 AM

To: Steve Cates

Cc: John=20 Cyganowski ; 6-Pack

Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground?

Steve/all;

I = have been=20 wondering the same thing.... Which then led me to ask, is dielectric = grease=20 better applied to assembled components or to the = /allcomponents=20 which are then assembled? I'd like to believe that dielectric grease = won't block=20 the flow of current or degrade the quality of a connection.=20 Comments?

Dave
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Dave N.;e
I have followed the link you provided in your e-mail and the article and i= ts
links explained dielectric grease, how it works and where/how NOT to= use
it, very clearly. The writer of the article highly touted the prop= erties of
polyphenyl ether as the ingredient to seek in electronic conn= ector lubricants,
since I was looking for a way to improve the connecti= vity of my TR6 electrical
connections.

Long story short, I have purchased this item and am awaiting its delivery.= ..
Anyone used this?

ht= tp://tinyurl.com/zkqtjp2

Dave Frie= dlander
'74 Six
'59 TR3A

=C2=A0

On Thu, Aug 18= , 2016 at 11:45 AM, dave n via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:

not sure if this really explains it:=C2=A0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_g= rease

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: David Friedlander via 6pack

Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:34 AM

To: Steve Cates

Cc: John=20 Cyganowski ; 6-Pack

Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground?

=C2=A0

Steve/all;

I have been=20 wondering the same thing.... Which then led me to ask, is dielectric grease= =20 better applied to assembled components or to the /allcomponen= ts=20 which are then assembled? I'd like to believe that dielectric grease wo= n't block=20 the flow of current or degrade the quality of a connection.=20 Comments?

Dave

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I'll try to describe= . Seems to come and go, mostly around 50-ish mph. Feel it in the seat-of-pant= s. Doesn't really feel like a U-joint but I'm not sure. Rear hubs were rebu= ilt a couple years ago. Rear axle U-joints were replaced with hub rebuild, = but drive shaft U-joints haven't been done. Seems like one of the drive sha= ft U-joints may have been done years before but can't remember. Front end = was rebuilt about 5 years ago, not sure if front bearings were done then, t= hink so. Tires are near end-of-life. Need to be replaced due to age and tre= ad is thin but just haven't done it yet. No accompanying noise, just a new = strange tingle in the butt. (haha) Any ideas? Sloane 69 Six 72 Spit --_000_DM3PR18MB0876BCD67ABEEE2E9DC170C18EEA0DM3PR18MB0876namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guys,

This summer the Six has developed a strange vibration. I'll try to descr= ibe.

Seems to come and go, mostly around 50-ish mph. Feel it in the seat-of-p= ants. Doesn't really feel like a U-joint but I'm not sure. Rear hubs were r= ebuilt a couple years ago. Rear axle U-joints were replaced with hub rebuil= d, but drive shaft U-joints haven't been done. Seems like one of the drive shaft U-joints may have been done y= ears before but can't remember.  Front end was rebuilt about 5 ye= ars ago, not sure if front bearings were done then, think so. Tires are nea= r end-of-life. Need to be replaced due to age and tread is thin but just haven't done it yet. No accompanying noise,= just a new strange tingle in the butt. (haha)

Any ideas?

Sloane

69 Six

72 Spit

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If our tires are worn out I think I would get new ones now. An alignment might not be a bad idea either. These are thinks that should be done regardless and it will eliminate them as the source of the vibration and may eliminate the vibration altogether.

John Cyg
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If you can feel it in your butt, i= t's definitely a rear-end issue. If your axle shafts have new U-joints but = your drive shaft doesn't, I'd definitely start by replacing both drive shaf= t UJ's. And, hate to say it, but just because your axle shaft UJ's are fres= h, doesn't mean one of 'em hasn't packed it in.

Co= lin
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Hi Guys,

This summer the Six has developed a stran= ge vibration. I'll try to describe.

Seems to come and go, mostly= around 50-ish mph. Feel it in the seat-of-pants. Doesn't really feel like = a U-joint but I'm not sure. Rear hubs were rebuilt a couple years ago. Rear= axle U-joints were replaced with hub rebuild, but drive shaft U-joints hav= en't been done. Seems like one of the drive shaft U-joints may have been do= ne years before but can't remember. Front end was rebuilt about 5 yea= rs ago, not sure if front bearings were done then, think so. Tires are near= end-of-life. Need to be replaced due to age and tread is thin but just hav= en't done it yet. No accompanying noise, just a new strange tingle in the b= utt. (haha)

Any ideas?

Sloane

69 Six

72= Spit
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Hi Guys,

This summer the Six has developed a = strange vibration. I'll try to describe.

Seems to come and go, m= ostly around 50-ish mph. Feel it in the seat-of-pants. Doesn't really feel = like a U-joint but I'm not sure. Rear hubs were rebuilt a couple years ago.= Rear axle U-joints were replaced with hub rebuild, but drive shaft U-joint= s haven't been done. Seems like one of the drive shaft U-joints may have be= en done years before but can't remember. Front end was rebuilt about = 5 years ago, not sure if front bearings were done then, think so. Tires are= near end-of-life. Need to be replaced due to age and tread is thin but jus= t haven't done it yet. No accompanying noise, just a new strange tingle in = the butt. (haha)

Any ideas?

Sloane

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I've been going through the exact same thing since I rebuilt my TR6 10 years ago. When it first started happening, right around 50mph, I could feel it slightly in my seat. All the universal joints, all the suspension parts and links were new from my frame off. I rotated the brand new tires and rebalanced which didn't seem to help. I bought replacement steel wheels, dial indicated them and and remounted the tires on the best I had with no change. I purchased some Minilites, no change (but I wanted to get those anyway and the car looks cool). I replaced the rear hubs with Goodpart hubs. A slight change in the seat vibration but still there. After a couple more years, the vibration got steadily worse and the front end started vibrating quite noticeably at 50. I ended up removing the front wheel hubs and truing them up in my lathe. No change. I've now replaced just about everything and was at the end of the line until I mentioned it to a friend of mine with a Six a few states away who I see occasionally at TR events. He had the same problem and went through similar trials and tribulations until he rebuilt the steering rack. That cured it for his case. Thats now on my list for the winter months as a last resort to try. I'm not saying this is your problem but it might be something to consider. Have any other 6pack members experienced anything similar with their steering racks? Ron On 8/25/2016 3:27 PM, John Cyganowski via 6pack wrote: > If our tires are worn out I think I would get new ones now. An > alignment might not be a bad idea either. These are thinks that > should be done regardless and it will eliminate them as the source of > the vibration and may eliminate the vibration altogether. > > John Cyg > CC52927LO > 70 Damson > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rmweber_99@yahoo.com > --------------050800060902070007030709 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Sloane,
I sympathize with you. I've been going through the exact same thing since I rebuilt my TR6 10 years ago. When it first started happening, right around 50mph, I could feel it slightly in my seat. All the universal joints, all the suspension parts and links were new from my frame off. I rotated the brand new tires and rebalanced which didn't seem to help. I bought replacement steel wheels, dial indicated them and and remounted the tires on the best I had with no change. I purchased some Minilites, no change (but I wanted to get those anyway and the car looks cool). I replaced the rear hubs with Goodpart hubs. A slight change in the seat vibration but still there. After a couple more years, the vibration got steadily worse and the front end started vibrating quite noticeably at 50. I ended up removing the front wheel hubs and truing them up in my lathe. No change. I've now replaced just about everything and was at the end of the line until I mentioned it to a friend of mine with a Six a few states away who I see occasionally at TR events. He had the same problem and went through similar trials and tribulations until he rebuilt the steering rack. That cured it for his case. Thats now on my list for the winter months as a last resort to try.

I'm not saying this is your problem but it might be something to consider. Have any other 6pack members experienced anything similar with their steering racks?

Ron

On 8/25/2016 3:27 PM, John Cyganowski via 6pack wrote:

If our tires are worn out I think I would get new ones now. An alignment might not be a bad idea either. These are thinks that should be done regardless and it will eliminate them as the source of the vibration and may eliminate the vibration altogether.

John Cyg

CC52927LO

70 Damson

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--------------050800060902070007030709-- --===============7312391226835408613== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============7312391226835408613==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 26 01:58:47 2016 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145EA258946C for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2016 01:58:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail42c28.carrierzone.com (mail42c28.carrierzone.com [66.175.52.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4292589365 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:59:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from GRR-2015.cts.com ([63.200.214.122]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail42c28.carrierzone.com (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id u7PNxmht024986; Thu, 25 Aug 2016 23:59:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 16:59:44 -0700 To: im sloane d18.prod.outlook.com> References: reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Strange vibration From: Glenn Rattmann via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6812586044569828815== boundary="=====================_185434062==.ALT" --=====================_185434062==.ALT Sloane, I can't comment on your specific vibration, but you did mention the tire situation. Echoing John C. here; I put a set of Yoko Avid Touring-S tires on my original steel wheels a while back, and it made a huge difference. It eliminated the vast majority of vibrations, shimmy, thumping, and generally improved the handling too. Ok-- the latter we might expect, merely due to new treads anyway... but I was amazed how much smoother and quieter the car was especially in the region of 45-60 mph. My hubs and front suspension and u-joints are pretty much original, too. If nothing else, you might more easily detect some other more subtle problems if you do the new tires first-- which you will do sooner or later, anyway. I know there are other similar comments by listers in the archives. Good luck, --Glenn / San Diego 74.5 At 06:48 PM 8/23/2016, you wrote: >Hi Guys, > >This summer the Six has developed a strange vibration. I'll try to describe. > > >Seems to come and go, mostly around 50-ish mph. Feel it in the >seat-of-pants. Doesn't really feel like a U-joint but I'm not sure. >Rear hubs were rebuilt a couple years ago. Rear axle U-joints were >replaced with hub rebuild, but drive shaft U-joints haven't been >done. Seems like one of the drive shaft U-joints may have been done >years before but can't remember. Front end was rebuilt about 5 >years ago, not sure if front bearings were done then, think so. >Tires are near end-of-life. Need to be replaced due to age and tread >is thin but just haven't done it yet. No accompanying noise, just a >new strange tingle in the butt. (haha) > > >Any ideas? > > >Sloane > >69 Six > >72 Spit --=====================_185434062==.ALT Sloane,
I can't comment on your specific vibration, but you did mention the tire situation.

Echoing John C. here; I put a set of Yoko Avid Touring-S tires on my original steel wheels a while back, and it made a huge difference.   It eliminated the vast majority of vibrations, shimmy, thumping, and generally improved the handling too. Ok-- the latter we might expect, merely due to new treads anyway... but I was amazed how much smoother and quieter the car was especially in the region of 45-60 mph. My hubs and front suspension and u-joints are pretty much original, too.

If nothing else, you might more easily detect some other more subtle problems if you do the new tires first-- which you will do sooner or later, anyway. I know there are other similar comments by listers in the archives. Good luck,

--Glenn / San Diego
74.5

At 06:48 PM 8/23/2016, you wrote:

Hi Guys,

This summer the Six has developed a strange vibration. I'll try to describe.

Seems to come and go, mostly around 50-ish mph. Feel it in the seat-of-pants. Doesn't really feel like a U-joint but I'm not sure. Rear hubs were rebuilt a couple years ago. Rear axle U-joints were replaced with hub rebuild, but drive shaft U-joints haven't been done. Seems like one of the drive shaft U-joints may have been done years before but can't remember. Front end was rebuilt about 5 years ago, not sure if front bearings were done then, think so. Tires are near end-of-life. Need to be replaced due to age and tread is thin but just haven't done it yet. No accompanying noise, just a new strange tingle in the butt. (haha)

Any ideas?

Sloane

69 Six

72 Spit
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My tires and = wheels have been on a number of cars up here in the northeast! That said, i= f you feel a vibration in your seat and not through the steering wheel, it'= s drive line. Period. My Dad's TR6 had similar vibrations and they were cur= ed when I switched in new axles. Note that there are options with axle repl= acement and there are stock-like axles available for less than $150 from th= e big three, or at least there were. I also got rid of several different re= ar end clunks at the same time.If money is no object - the alternatives suc= h as the GoodParts CV conversion are an excellent choice and you'll probabl= y NEVER have to worry about them ever.Regards,Bob LangTR6s=20 On Friday, August 26, 2016 3:08 AM, RW via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>= wrote: =20 Hi Sloane,=20 I sympathize with you. I've been going through the exact same thing since = I rebuilt my TR6 10 years ago. When it first started happening, right aroun= d 50mph, I could feel it slightly in my seat. All the universal joints, all= the suspension parts and links were new from my frame off. I rotated the b= rand new tires and rebalanced which didn't seem to help. I bought replaceme= nt steel wheels, dial indicated them and and remounted the tires on the bes= t I had with no change. I purchased some Minilites, no change (but I wanted= to get those anyway and the car looks cool). I replaced the rear hubs with= Goodpart hubs. A slight change in the seat vibration but still there. Afte= r a couple more years, the vibration got steadily worse and the front end s= tarted vibrating quite noticeably at 50. I ended up removing the front whee= l hubs and truing them up in my lathe. No change. I've now replaced just ab= out everything and was at the end of the line until I mentioned it to a fri= end of mine with a Six a few states away who I see occasionally at TR event= s. He had the same problem and went through similar trials and tribulations= until he rebuilt the steering rack. That cured it for his case. Thats now= on my list for the winter months as a last resort to try.=20 =20 I'm not saying this is your problem but it might be something to consider.= Have any other 6pack members experienced anything similar with their steer= ing racks? =20 Ron =20 On 8/25/2016 3:27 PM, John Cyganowski via 6pack wrote: =20 If our tires are worn out I think I would get new ones now.=C2=A0An alig= nment might not be a bad idea either.=C2=A0 These are thinks that should be= done regardless and it will eliminate them as the source of the vibration = and may eliminate the vibration altogether.=20 John Cyg CC52927LO 70 Damson =20 =20 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack yahoo.com =20 =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack r6@yahoo.com =20 ------=_Part_143654_1689163122.1472212302593 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

When trying = to sort out a vibration that "might" be related to tires/wheels, it is a re= ally easy step to work with another TR owner to swap on the tires / wheels = to see if the problem follows the tires / wheels. My tires and wheels have = been on a number of cars up here in the northeast! That said, if you feel a= vibration in your seat and not through the steering wheel, it's drive line= . Period. My Dad's TR6 had similar vibrations and they were cured when I sw= itched in new axles. Note that there are options with axle replacement and = there are stock-like axles available for less than $150 from the big three,= or at least there were. I also got rid of several different rear end clunk= s at the same time.
If money is no ob= ject - the alternatives such as the GoodParts CV conversion are an excellen= t choice and you'll probably NEVER have to worry about them ever.
Regards,
Bob Lang
TR6s

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On Frid= ay, August 26, 2016 3:08 AM, RW via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrot= e:

Hi Sloane,
I sympathize with you. I've been going through the exact same thing since I rebuilt my TR6 10 years ago. When it first started happening, right around 50mph, I could feel it slightly in my seat. All the universal joints, all the suspension parts and links were new from my frame off. I rotated the brand new tires and rebalanced which didn't seem to help. I bought replacement steel wheels, dial indicated them and and remounted the tires on the best I had with no change. I purchased some Minilites, no change (but I wanted to get those anyway and the car looks cool). I replaced the rear hubs with Goodpart hubs. A slight change in the seat vibration but still there. After a couple more years, the vibration got steadily worse and the front end started vibrating quite noticeably at 50. I ended up removing the front wheel hubs and truing them up in my lathe. No change. I've now replaced just about everything and was at the end of the line until I mentioned it to a friend of mine with a Six a few states away who I see occasionally at TR events. He had the same problem and went through similar trials and tribulations until he rebuilt the steering rack. That cured it for his case. Thats now on my list for the winter months as a last resort to try.

I'm not saying this is your problem but it might be something to consider. Have any other 6pack members experienced anything similar with their steering racks?

Ron

On 8/25/2016 3:27 PM, John Cyganowski via 6pack wrote:

If our tires are worn out I think I would get new ones now. An alignment might not be a bad idea either. Thes= e are thinks that should be done regardless and it will eliminate them as the source of the vibration and may eliminate the vibration altogether.

John Cyg

CC52927LO

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Dave On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 7:48 PM, RW via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > Hi Sloane, > I sympathize with you. I've been going through the exact same thing since > I rebuilt my TR6 10 years ago. When it first started happening, right > around 50mph, I could feel it slightly in my seat. All the universal > joints, all the suspension parts and links were new from my frame off. I > rotated the brand new tires and rebalanced which didn't seem to help. I > bought replacement steel wheels, dial indicated them and and remounted the > tires on the best I had with no change. I purchased some Minilites, no > change (but I wanted to get those anyway and the car looks cool). I > replaced the rear hubs with Goodpart hubs. A slight change in the seat > vibration but still there. After a couple more years, the vibration got > steadily worse and the front end started vibrating quite noticeably at 50. > I ended up removing the front wheel hubs and truing them up in my lathe. No > change. I've now replaced just about everything and was at the end of the > line until I mentioned it to a friend of mine with a Six a few states away > who I see occasionally at TR events. He had the same problem and went > through similar trials and tribulations until he rebuilt the steering rack. > That cured it for his case. Thats now on my list for the winter months as a > last resort to try. > > I'm not saying this is your problem but it might be something to consider. > Have any other 6pack members experienced anything similar with their > steering racks? > > Ron > > > On 8/25/2016 3:27 PM, John Cyganowski via 6pack wrote: > > If our tires are worn out I think I would get new ones now. An alignment > might not be a bad idea either. These are thinks that should be done > regardless and it will eliminate them as the source of the vibration and > may eliminate the vibration altogether. > > John Cyg > CC52927LO > 70 Damson > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > 6pack@autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rmweber_99@yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/6pack/forzion7@gmail.com > > > --94eb2c1239e43ba3a6053af8f979 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure I understand how a steering r= ack can be a source of
speed-related vibration....

Dave

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=20 =20 =20

Hi Sloane,
I sympathize with you. I've been going through the exact same thing since I rebuilt my TR6 10 years ago. When it first started happening, right around 50mph, I could feel it slightly in my seat. All the universal joints, all the suspension parts and links were new from my frame off. I rotated the brand new tires and rebalanced which didn't seem to help. I bought replacement steel wheels, dial indicated them and and remounted the tires on the best I had with no change. I purchased some Minilites, no change (but I wanted to get those anyway and the car looks cool). I replaced the rear hubs with Goodpart hubs. A slight change in the seat vibration but still there. After a couple more years, the vibration got steadily worse and the front end started vibrating quite noticeably at 50. I ended up removing the front wheel hubs and truing them up in my lathe. No change. I've now replaced just about everything and was at the end of the line until I mentioned it to a friend of mine with a Six a few states away who I see occasionally at TR events. He had the same problem and went through similar trials and tribulations until he rebuilt the steering rack. That cured it for his case. Thats now on my list for the winter months as a last resort to try.

I'm not saying this is your problem but it might be something to consider. Have any other 6pack members experienced anything similar with their steering racks?

Ron

On 8/25/2016 3:27 PM, John Cyganowski via 6pack wrote:

If our tires are worn out I think I would get new ones now.=C2=A0An alignment might not be a bad idea either.=C2=A0 Thes= e are thinks that should be done regardless and it will eliminate them as the source of the vibration and may eliminate the vibration altogether.

John Cyg

CC52927LO

70 Damson

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