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Allen, Do you know if John Drake sold his Magnette? It was advertised for
several months a while back. He was looking for around $25,000. John
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:27 AM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Fwd: 1958 MG Magnet 20000
Ah... but Jim, shouldn't your's be priced somewhere over $20K? John Park, I
know you're tired of trying to sell your car in this price range, and both
of you have my compassion. Ultimately, yes, the customer is always right
and we cannot get higher prices for our cars than folks are willing to pay.
But... we can set some ground rules. We can tell the buying public that our
restored cars cannot be had for less than, say, $20K, or $25K if you please.
If somebody wants a restored Z Magnette, that's the price. Period! Of
course I'm NOT suggesting that we coerce each-other into holding out for
higher prices. Those of us who are selling have highly personal reasons for
doing so and we cannot stand here saying that members cannot sell their cars
for less than $???
Whether justified or not, my wife thinks I quit counting after $10K for my
paintwork. Truth is I quit counting after $16K. In addition, I have
thousands "invested" in parts for work I did on my own plus upholstery,
which I hired out. I started out with a $4K car and I've spent well over
$20K more to get the car where I want it. How well I succeeded is a very
personal matter until I put the car up for sale. I did the work without
concern for value gained vs. money spent: I built the car for myself. I
haven't kept tabs, but my expenditure has got to approach $25K plus whatever
value my time has. The same hundreds of hours spent teaching music would
yield far more than I could ever expect to get for the car. The answer is
the same as what we've been telling each-other for years: "investment" is an
inappropriate term as it implies the expectation of a profit. We build
these restorations for the self-satisfaction derived from doing our best,
and we enjoy sharing our pride-and-joys with our MG friends. Sales prices
will not be a return on that "investment"; it will be a "salvage residual"
remaining after we have derived the pleasure we hoped for in the restoration
and showing process. And what about the learning we acquired in that
process? Was that tuition-free? Of course not. The ultimate pleasure from
any hobby, or from the pursuit of art itself comes in doing something as
well as possible without regard for the marketplace. The marketplace may
charge us heavily for our experience, but isn't it worth it? We are not in
this hobby to make money!
If somebody wants to buy my car, the asking price will be about $30K, the
negotiated price may be between $25 and $28K, depending on my mood and level
of desperation. Those of you who have seen my car might have different
opinions, but that's where I stand. With reasonable luck, these will be but
instructions to my executor. But at that point, I'll be gone and won't care.
I will instruct my executor to refrain from diluting the Magnette market
with a sub-priced car. Beyond that, I have no control...
Cheers,
Allen
****************************************************************
Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
****************************************************************
On Jan 12, 2014, at 9:38 PM, James Schulte wrote:
Remember, mine is for sale for a hell of a lot less. (((-'
Jim
58 ZB w/1830 67 B engine and T 35 Borg Warner automatic.
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 12, 2014, at 6:50 PM, John Marcell <mg1948@verizon.net
Begin forwarded message:
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Fwd: 1958 MG Magnet 20000
Date: January 12, 2014 4:24:27 PM CST
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America <zmagnette@autox.team.net
If anyone knows of someone looking for a restored one for that price range
send them my way. A/C & Supercharged, 1100 miles on restoration. Would
consider thinning my herd.
Phil
On Jan 12, 2014, at 12:54 PM, John Marcell <MG1948@verizon.net
Good car, good price if you cant do the work yourself. Even I don't think
you could do one with you doing all the work today.
Phil
Begin forwarded message:
Subject: 1958 MG Magnet 20000
Date: January 11, 2014 9:34:04 PM CST
Take a look at this Magnet.
Gary
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/4281771840.html
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>Allen, Do you know if John Drake sold his Magnette? It was advertised =
for several months a while back. He was looking for around $25,000. =
John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span=
></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> =
zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allen =
Bachelder<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 13, 2014 12:27 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North =
America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Fwd: 1958 MG Magnet =
20000<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ah... but =
Jim, shouldn't your's be priced somewhere over $20K? John Park, I =
know you're tired of trying to sell your car in this price range, and =
both of you have my compassion. Ultimately, yes, the customer is =
always right and we cannot get higher prices for our cars than folks are =
willing to pay. But... we can set some ground rules. We can =
tell the buying public that our restored cars cannot be had for less =
than, say, $20K, or $25K if you please. If somebody wants a =
restored Z Magnette, that's the price. Period! Of course I'm NOT =
suggesting that we coerce each-other into holding out for higher prices. =
Those of us who are selling have highly personal reasons for doing so =
and we cannot stand here saying that members cannot sell their cars for =
less than $???<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Whether justified or not, my wife thinks I quit =
counting after $10K for my paintwork. Truth is I quit counting =
after $16K. In addition, I have thousands "invested" in =
parts for work I did on my own plus upholstery, which I hired out. =
I started out with a $4K car and I've spent well over $20K more to =
get the car where I want it. How well I succeeded is a very personal =
matter until I put the car up for sale. I did the work without =
concern for value gained vs. money spent: I built the car for myself. I =
haven't kept tabs, but my expenditure has got to approach $25K plus =
whatever value my time has. The same hundreds of hours spent teaching =
music would yield far more than I could ever expect to get for the car. =
The answer is the same as what we've been telling each-other for =
years: "investment" is an inappropriate term as it implies the =
expectation of a profit. We build these restorations for the =
self-satisfaction derived from doing our best, and we enjoy sharing our =
pride-and-joys with our MG friends. Sales prices will not be a =
return on that "investment"; it will be a "salvage =
residual" remaining after we have derived the pleasure we hoped for =
in the restoration and showing process. And what about the =
learning we acquired in that process? Was that tuition-free? =
Of course not. The ultimate pleasure from any hobby, or from =
the pursuit of art itself comes in doing something as well as possible =
without regard for the marketplace. The marketplace may charge us =
heavily for our experience, but isn't it worth it? We are not in =
this hobby to make money!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If somebody wants to buy my car, the asking price will =
be about $30K, the negotiated price may be between $25 and $28K, =
depending on my mood and level of desperation. Those of you who have =
seen my car might have different opinions, but that's where I stand. =
With reasonable luck, these will be but instructions to my executor. But =
at that point, I'll be gone and won't care. I will instruct my executor =
to refrain from diluting the Magnette market with a sub-priced car. =
Beyond that, I have no control...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Allen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-style-span><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>****************************************************************</span>=
</i></b></span><span class=3Dapple-style-span><span =
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k'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><=
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class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>Allen & Florrie Bachelder =
=3Diii=3D<<br>Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs</span></i></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT</span></i></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>North Street, MI 48049, USA</span></i></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
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nce.net/member/bachldrs</a></span></i></b></span><span =
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iv><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>=
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'>****************************************************************</span>=
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iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Jan 12, 2014, at 9:38 PM, James Schulte wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Remember, mine is for sale for a hell of a lot less. =
(((-'<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>58 =
ZB w/1830 67 B engine and T 35 Borg Warner automatic.<br><br>Sent from =
my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 12, 2014, at 6:50 PM, John =
Marcell <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mg1948@verizon.net";>mg1948@verizon.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Begin =
forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>From: =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>John =
Marcell <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mg1948@verizon.net";>mg1948@verizon.net</a>></span><o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Subject: =
Re: [Zmagnette] Fwd: 1958 MG Magnet =
20000</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Date: =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>January =
12, 2014 4:24:27 PM CST</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>To: =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>List for =
the Z Magnette Group - North America <<a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>zmagnette@autox.team.net</a>>=
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Reply-To:=
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>List for =
the Z Magnette Group - North America <<a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>zmagnette@autox.team.net</a>>=
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>If =
anyone knows of someone looking for a restored one for that price range =
send them my way. A/C & Supercharged, 1100 miles on =
restoration. Would consider thinning my =
herd.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Phil<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Jan 12, 2014, at 12:54 PM, John Marcell <<a =
href=3D"mailto:MG1948@verizon.net";>MG1948@verizon.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Good car, good price if you cant do the work yourself. =
Even I don't think you could do one with you doing all the work =
today.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Phil<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Begin =
forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>From: =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Gary =
Sandusky <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gary@sandusky.cc";>gary@sandusky.cc</a>></span><o:p></o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Subject: =
1958 MG Magnet 20000</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Date: =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>January =
11, 2014 9:34:04 PM CST</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>To: =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Phil =
Marcell <<a =
href=3D"mailto:MG1948@verizon.net";>MG1948@verizon.net</a>></span><o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Take a look at this Magnet. <br>Gary<br><br><a =
href=3D"http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/4281771840.html";>http://dall=
as.craigslist.org/dal/cto/4281771840.html</a><br><br><br>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p =
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