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Allen
Do you have sime photos of your new combined heater/evaporator unit? While my
heater works fine I hsve wsnted to add ac for yesrs.
Steve C.
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Allen Bachelder <bachldrs@comcast.net> wrote:
James,
No, you weren't sleeping. In my case, it was a new combined heater/evaporator
unit - a "Gen II" unit from Vintage Air. It's a tight fit but it works very
well in both modes.
Holiday Cheers!
Allen
Sent from my iPhone
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
Allen Bachelder, prop.
On Dec 19, 2013, at 7:22 AM, my.mga.tc@gmail.com wrote:
Modern MG heater? Or modern car heater? Have details of this conversion been
released? Maybe I was sleeping
James
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Allen Bachelder
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:27 AM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Reply To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections
Yes, Steve is right...
We heard two incredibly-detailed lectures: one on the heater functions and
controls, and one on the inner workings of the Manumatic, which was
considerably easier to understand. (Not to say that it WAS understood!) There
was one freak moment during my restoration when a flash of intellectual light
struck me and lo, for that single moment, I fully understood the workings of
the cowl-vent lever. This flash of brilliance was so full it struck me to the
floor, totally exhausted. To retain that vast battery of comprehension, while
simultaneously grasping the melange of cables and levers obtusely co-mingled so
as to effect all possible permutations and combinations of cold or warm, fresh
or recirculated, air, blown or drawn, through floor vents, or de froster vents,
without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside the car whatsoever is
simply beyond the human realm.
There is little doubt in my mind that three extra-terrestials from a much more
advanced planet landed in Roswell New Mexico in the early '50s, and teleported
their spirits to Abingdon to haunt Gerald Palmer on three successive nights,
leaving him with a heater/defroster design of which he understood nothing but
felt inexplicably compelled to use in the new Magnette. In the meantime, the
three extra-terrestial spirits returned to their home-planet where they were
properly rebuked for their poor navigational skills - having landed in Roswell
instead of Stonehenge where they had previously landed and built this circular
stone marker to guide them back*.
*Although other archeologists have alternatively explained the artifact at
Stonehenge as perhaps a petrified prehistoric, "monumentally" inef ficient
squirrel-cage blower - modeling the design of that unit replicated in the Z
Magnette.
What else could possibly explain this design? No ordinary human being could
possibly have designed this. After all, John Twist himself has exclaimed that
he never understood it. (Really!!) We have here a design clearly emanating
from beyond the human realm... Of course anybody, regardless of intellectual
advancement, can make mistakes - whadaya expect from three guys who couldn't
distinguish Roswell from Stonehenge? Why do you think I replaced my entire
Magnette heater with a modern one?
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Steve Kirby wrote:
this will be of absolutely no help whatsoever, but when Fearless Leader Allen
and I were in the UK celebrating the Magnette's 60th, we were treated to an
explanation by someone, who obviously and actually did understand the thing
(meaning the entire air/heater/circulati on/defroster system). I can tell you
that (NOT speaking for Allen!!!), the explanation was at least an intense 20
minutes long, and had to do with things like "when this is open, then air is
circulating from here to there, which necessitates the #$%^ valve being open,
while simulatanousely the excess air is being directed to the defroster, and
exits out the @#$%^&. This went on for, honest to god, 20 minutes. I was lost
after the 2nd or 3rd @#$%^&*. I've done a couple of B's, and there seems to be
no relationship there whatsoever. I actually understand what happens, I think,
in a B.
But thanks Kelvin . . . I get this part!
#2SteveK
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelvin Dodd
To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections
Lets see if this works.
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rodger Shaver
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:35 AM
To: zmagnette@autox.team.net
Subject: [Zmagnette] Heater control connections
I am almost ready to connect the heater controls from the dash to the valve.
The slide control for temperature does two things, it opens the valve to allow
hot water to flow and it controls an inner flap. How should the valve and the
inner flap be set when I reinstall the cable? Maybe it will be obvious when I
get into the car but not much is obvious to me when I am scrunched up. I
didn't do this step on my prior Magnette re-do because I don't have a proper
valve for it.
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heater works fine I hsve wsnted to add ac for yesrs.<br>
Steve C.<br>
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Please excuse my brevity.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Allen Bachelder
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<div>James,</div><div><br></div><div>No, you weren't sleeping. In my case, it
was a new combined heater/evaporator unit - a "Gen II" unit from Vintage Air.
It's a tight fit but it works very well in both
modes. </div><div><br></div><div>Holiday
Cheers!</div><div>Allen</div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone<div>Spring Creek Home
for Wayward MGs</div><div>Allen Bachelder, prop. </div></div><div><br>On
Dec 19, 2013, at 7:22 AM, <a
href="mailto:my.mga.tc@gmail.com";>my.mga.tc@gmail.com</a>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="width: 100%;
font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);">Modern MG heater? Or modern car heater? Have details of this conversion
been released? Maybe I was sleeping </div><div style="width: 100%;
font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-c
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<p style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro',
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Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From:
</b>Allen Bachelder</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:27
AM</div><div><b>To: </b>List for the Z Magnette Group - North
America</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>List for the Z Magnette Group - North
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style=""><base href="x-msg://1184/">Yes, Steve is
right...<div><br></div><div> We heard two incredibly-detailed lectures:
one on the heater functions and controls, and one on the inner workings of the
Manumatic, which was considerably easier to understand. (Not to say that
it WAS understood!) There was one freak moment during my restoration when
a flash of intellectual light struck me and lo, for that single moment, I fully
understood the workings of the cowl-vent lever. This flash of brilliance
was so full it struck me to the floor, totally exhausted. To retain that vast
battery of comprehension, while simultaneously grasping the melange of cables
and levers obtusely co-mingled so as to effect all possible permutations and
combinations of cold or warm, fresh or recirculated, air, blown or drawn,
through floor vent
s, or
de
froster vents, without disturbing the temperature or humidity inside the car
whatsoever is simply beyond the human realm.
</div><div><br></div><div>There is little doubt in my mind that three
extra-terrestials from a much more advanced planet landed in Roswell New Mexico
in the early '50s, and teleported their spirits to Abingdon to haunt Gerald
Palmer on three successive nights, leaving him with a heater/defroster design
of which he understood nothing but felt inexplicably compelled to use in
the new Magnette. In the meantime, the three extra-terrestial spirits
returned to their home-planet where they were properly rebuked for their poor
navigational skills - having landed in Roswell instead of Stonehenge where they
had previously landed and built this circular stone marker to guide them
back*. </div><div><br></div><div>*Although other archeologists have
alternatively explained the artifact at Stonehenge as perhaps a petrified
prehistoric, "monumental
ly"
inef
ficient squirrel-cage blower - modeling the design of that unit replicated in
the Z Magnette.</div><div><br></div><div>What else could possibly explain this
design? No ordinary human being could possibly have designed this. After
all, John Twist himself has exclaimed that he never understood it. (Really!!)
We have here a design clearly emanating from beyond the human realm...
Of course anybody, regardless of intellectual advancement, can make
mistakes - whadaya expect from three guys who couldn't distinguish Roswell from
Stonehenge? Why do you think I replaced my entire Magnette heater with a modern
one? </div><div><br></div><div>Allen <br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Steve Kirby wrote:</div><br
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vlink="purple"><div>this will be of absolutely no help whatsoever, but when
Fearless Leader Allen and I were in the UK celebrating the Magnette's 60th, we
were treated to an explanation by someone, who obviously and actually did
understand the thing (meaning the entire
air/heater/circulati
on/defroster system). I can tell you that (NOT speaking for Allen!!!),
the explanation was at least an intense 20 minutes long, and had to do
with things like "when this is open, then air is circulating from here to
there, which necessitates the #$%^ valve being open, while simulatanousely the
excess air is being directed to the defroster, and exits out the
@#$%^&. This went on for, honest to god, 20 minutes. I was lost
after the 2nd or 3rd @#$%^&*. I've done a couple of B's, and there
seems to be no relationship there whatsoever. I actually understand what
happens, I think, in a B.</div><div> </div><div>But thanks Kelvin . . . I
get this part!</div><div> </div><div>#2SteveK</div><blockquote
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"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
title="doddk@mossmotors.com" href="mailto:doddk@mossmotors.com"; style="color:
blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Kelvin Dodd</a></div><div style="font:
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href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline; ">'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'</a></div><div
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] Heater control
connections</div><div><br></div><div class="WordSection1" style="page:
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"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt; ">Lets see if this works.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:35
AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; style="color: blue; text-decoration:
underline; ">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Zmagnette] Heater control
connections<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right:
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New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; color: black; ">I am almost ready to connect the heater controls
from the dash to the valve. The slide control for temperature does
two things, it opens the valve to allow hot water to flow and it controls an
inner flap. How should the valve and the inner flap be set when I
reinstall the cable? Maybe it will be obvious when I get into the car but
not much is obvious to me when I am scrunched up. I didn't do this step
on my prior Magnette re-do because I don't have a proper valve for
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