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Re: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal

To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>, Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal
From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:21:50 -0400 (EDT)
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   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">The metal housi=
ng is integral to the seal, at least in all originals.&nbsp;</span>
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    On 07/19/2021 3:14 PM Jim Henningsen &lt;trguy75@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff:</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for the tips.</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">List:</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The oil seal was inside a metal housing pressed =
into the timing cover.&nbsp; I had a heck of a time getting it out and dama=
ged it slightly.&nbsp; See attached pictures.&nbsp; Seal1.jpg shows it remo=
ved but resting on opening in orientation it was installed.&nbsp; I don=E2=
=80=99t see this part listed on Moss or TRF.&nbsp; I am assuming this is th=
e oil seal housing that needs to be reused with new seal.&nbsp; Thoughts??<=
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks in advance</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim Henningsen</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ocala, FL</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Cliff Hansen &lt;cliff_=
hansen@outlook.com&gt; <br><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, July 19, 2021 12:=
41 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> Jim Henningsen &lt;trguy75@gmail.com&gt;<br><=
strong>Cc:</strong> 'TR List' &lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;<br><strong>Su=
bject:</strong> RE: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal</p>=20
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Would that bushing be from the rear of the crank=
shaft, where the input shaft of the transmission rides? If so I also have o=
ne in my bin, and that=E2=80=99s a good tip.</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">From the other email, I take it you are already =
planning to remove the timing cover to replace the seal. I would replace th=
e timing chain and tensioner, they are not expensive.</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The hub pulley may need a speedisleeve if the ol=
d seal has worn any&nbsp; kind of groove.</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">When you replace the timing cover, there is a st=
ud in the middle that has to have a fiber washer and gasket sealer between =
the shoulder on the stud and the timing cover, otherwise oil will leak at t=
his spot.</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I did this job about two years ago, leak free si=
nce and that=E2=80=99s a good feeling.</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fw=
link/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3=
.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">=20
     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:trguy7=
5@gmail.com">Jim Henningsen</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Monday, July 19, =
2021 10:28 AM<br><strong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@outloo=
k.com">'Cliff Hansen'</a><br><strong>Cc: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:triumph=
s@autox.team.net">'TR List'</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>RE: [TR] Front=
 Pullet Hub Removal</p>=20
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff, so true.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m refreshing the=
 72k orig mile 4A and I definitely run into the =E2=80=9Cwhile I=E2=80=99m =
there, let=E2=80=99s fix this too so I don=E2=80=99t have to go there again=
 for another 20 years.&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I took the extension and large crank bolt out.&n=
bsp; I had a 2 inch long thick bronze bushing that fits perfectly on my pul=
ley bolt and flush against the crank.&nbsp; That provided the strength to p=
ull the pulleys and hub free.&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks, Jim</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Cliff Hansen &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@outlook.com";>cliff_hansen@outlook.com</a>&gt; <br>=
<strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, July 19, 2021 11:14 AM<br><strong>To:</stron=
g> Jim Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com";>trguy75@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;<br><strong>Subject:</strong> RE: [TR] Front Pullet Hub Removal</p=
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The pulley hub is keyed to the front of the cran=
k and probably adhered with years of crud. My guess is that=E2=80=99s what =
sticking. Some PB Blaster, and a few raps with a mallet (I use a deadblow) =
may persuade it. It=E2=80=99s difficult to use a puller since there=E2=80=
=99s nothing in the center to push against, unless you can find a short bol=
t to thread in where that large dog bolt was removed.</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Since you are in there, if there=E2=80=99s evide=
nce of oil leaking from the timing cover, it=E2=80=99s most likely from the=
 seal between the cover and the pulley hub. But I can see how changing that=
 seal would slide into even more work (hey there=E2=80=99s the timing chain=
, I should replace that=E2=80=A6)&nbsp; BTDT.</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here=E2=80=99s hoping the pulley hub cooperates.=
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>Cliff</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fw=
link/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
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     <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:trguy7=
5@gmail.com">Jim Henningsen</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Monday, July 19, =
2021 4:25 AM<br><strong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@outlook=
.com">Cliff Hansen</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [TR] Front Pullet H=
ub Removal</p>=20
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
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     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff,</p>=20
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     <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, I removed the crank bolt. &nbsp;The pulley=
 seems pretty tight. &nbsp;Will see about getting it off today. Thanks, Jim=
&nbsp;</p>=20
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     <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">&nbsp;</p>=20
     <blockquote>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">On Jul 18, 20=
21, at 8:39 PM, Cliff Hansen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cliff_hansen@outlook.com=
">cliff_hansen@outlook.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p>=20
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim,</p>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I take it you have removed that enormous bolt =
through the extension. The stock pulley is a two part assembly. You remove =
the 6 bolts through the hub and pulley halves. Then it just pulls off the f=
ront of the crank.</p>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/=
fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
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       <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:trgu=
y75@gmail.com">Jim Henningsen</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Sunday, July 18=
, 2021 4:57 PM<br><strong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.tea=
m.net">'TR List'</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>[TR] Front Pullet Hub Rem=
oval</p>=20
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">List:<br>Converting my 67 4A over to the Bastu=
ck narrow fan belt kit. This kit<br>retains the fan extension tube and fan.=
&nbsp;&nbsp; I have the radiator out and fan<br>blade and fan extension rem=
oved.&nbsp; I have the stock pulley at the top dead<br>center position (hol=
e at the top).&nbsp; Have not removed one of these before.<br>Any tips on r=
emoving would be greatly appreciated.&nbsp; I still have the cross<br>tube =
and was hoping it could be removed while that is still installed.<br>Thanks=
 in advance!<br>Jim henningsen<br>Ocala, FL<br>61 3A<br>67 4A<br>75 6<br>81=
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