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I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above car. =
=46rom the info on the certificate, it=E2=80=99s clear it was built for a na=
med customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal Export=
Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for display at a=
ny international motor show were identified very clearly on the build record=
and sales invoice as =E2=80=98motor show car=E2=80=99 and this would have b=
een picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the microfilmed records. It=E2=
=80=99s also worth mentioning the company would never have used a customer c=
ar for exhibition display at any show such as those which were as prestigiou=
s as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my boo=
k, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT document might have bee=
n in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool stands AT the=
show? No way - unless someone can come up with documentation to prove me wr=
ong. I wouldn=E2=80=99t touch it with that claimed or alleged history but no=
doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow the bait and pay way o=
ver the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too often in life, things=
are not always what they seem and in my view this car fits that category.
Jonmac=20
Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intenti=
ons.
> On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney <John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk> wro=
te:
>=20
> What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very differen=
t in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, the paint fini=
sh received detailed attention and were often resprayed several times to giv=
e the paint a =E2=80=98deeper=E2=80=99 appearance. Engine blocks were a shin=
y black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable work=
and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to opera=
te. This was always difficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as c=
losing most doors on those models mostly sounded like putting the lid on an e=
mpty trash can. Every night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door c=
ards in all cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems repo=
rted to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, le=
nses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal were also replac=
ed. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as well and there=E2=80=
=99s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as a display vehicl=
e at a ten day motor show. It will have gone through hell in that time and E=
ngineering always studied reports of how the cars had held up during the sho=
w. Theft, attempted or actual was by no means unknown and one day a man wear=
ing a pair of white overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald d=
ifferential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you could hardly move on the s=
tand because of the crowds. Car =E2=80=98ride heights=E2=80=99 were often ra=
ised a little to allow for the daily punishment of people of various weights=
collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did little to give seats a ge=
ntle life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporarily fitting all cars with he=
avy duty tropical suspension for the show duration. Doing this meant there w=
as nothing like the amount of =E2=80=9Cgive=E2=80=9D found in a car that was=
conventionally sprung.
>=20
> Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your feet=
from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid in an=
unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who mostl=
y bored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same outside=
catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might have been. T=
he truth was, it wasn=E2=80=99t. We all had to wear dark, tailored three pie=
ce suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back cuffs=
and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished=
like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and parted h=
air and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand Manager d=
etected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will admit we, Stand=
ard Triumph=E2=80=99s public face, looked good and perhaps we had a little v=
irtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I=E2=80=99ve yet to meet any c=
ar company employee or salesman who knew as much about his/her product AND t=
he same level of detail of every other make and model of car that competed w=
ith us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I=E2=80=99m still amaze=
d how much I can still recall.
>=20
> Jonmac
>=20
> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest inten=
tions.
>=20
>> On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> I don't believe the suspension was raised. Might appear taller as TR5 ti=
res were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs riding a=
little high.
>>=20
>> Greg Lemon
>> TR250
>>=20
>>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <john@linneyweb.com> wrote:
>>> Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a=
little high.
>>>=20
>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original L=
HD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the U=
SA and is now in the midwest.
>>>>=20
>>>> Anybody know the car? It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd pro=
bably agree. My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget=
, skills, and marque support at the time. But today -- I wish I still had i=
t!
>>>>=20
>>>> Here=E2=80=99s the sales ad:
>>>> https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5
>>>>=20
>>>> Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the=
stuff around engines. Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your effo=
rts in this area back in the day.
>>>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99ve just had a look at the Heritag=
e Certificate for the above car. =46rom the info on the certificate, it=E2=80=
=99s clear it was built for a named customer in Denmark and supplied under S=
tandard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I worked within for several ye=
ars. Cars built for display at any international motor show were identified v=
ery clearly on the build record and sales invoice as =E2=80=98motor show car=
=E2=80=99 and this would have been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogati=
ng the microfilmed records. It=E2=80=99s also worth mentioning the company w=
ould never have used a customer car for exhibition display at any show such a=
s those which were as prestigious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New=
York. A show car? Not in my book, though the person whose name appears on t=
he BMIHT document might have been in England FOR the show but his car on the=
main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way - unless someone can come up w=
ith documentation to prove me wrong. I wouldn=E2=80=99t touch it with that c=
laimed or alleged history but no doubt someone with more money than sense wi=
ll swallow the bait and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a=
clone. Too often in life, things are not always what they seem and in my vi=
ew this car fits that category.<div><br></div><div>Jonmac <div><br></di=
v><div><br></div><div><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Vote fo=
r Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney <<a href=3D=
"mailto:John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk";>John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk</a>> w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equ=
iv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">What many people f=
ail to realise is that motor show cars are very different in many ways to th=
e normal production version. For a start, the paint finish received detailed=
attention and were often resprayed several times to give the paint a =E2=80=
=98deeper=E2=80=99 appearance. Engine blocks were a shiny black, as were hos=
es. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable work and door shuts them=
selves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to operate. This was always d=
ifficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing most doors on=
those models mostly sounded like putting the lid on an empty trash can. Eve=
ry night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door cards in all cars w=
ere exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems reported to the Stand M=
anager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, lenses that had been s=
tolen or damaged through clumsy removal were also replaced. Leaking or non f=
unctional hydraulics were replaced as well and there=E2=80=99s a moral here.=
NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as a display vehicle at a ten day mot=
or show. It will have gone through hell in that time and Engineering always s=
tudied reports of how the cars had held up during the show. Theft, attempted=
or actual was by no means unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of white=
overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald differential!!! It h=
appened on a Saturday when you could hardly move on the stand because of the=
crowds. Car =E2=80=98ride heights=E2=80=99 were often raised a little to al=
low for the daily punishment of people of various weights collapsing into ca=
rs on a crowded stand. This did little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, t=
his was achieved by temporarily fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical su=
spension for the show duration. Doing this meant there was nothing like the a=
mount of =E2=80=9Cgive=E2=80=9D found in a car that was conventionally sprun=
g.<div><br></div><div>Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like s=
tanding on your feet from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for t=
en days solid in an unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking t=
o people who mostly bored you witless and were often less than polite, eatin=
g the same outside catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it=
might have been. The truth was, it wasn=E2=80=99t. We all had to wear dark,=
tailored three piece suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts wit=
h turned back cuffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes=
had to be polished like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculatel=
y clean and parted hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if=
the Stand Manager detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I w=
ill admit we, Standard Triumph=E2=80=99s public face, looked good and perhap=
s we had a little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I=E2=80=99v=
e yet to meet any car company employee or salesman who knew as much about hi=
s/her product AND the same level of detail of every other make and model of c=
ar that competed with us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I=E2=80=
=99m still amazed how much I can still recall.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonm=
ac<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Vote for Guy Fawkes! Th=
e only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br>On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon <<a href=3D"mailto:grglmn@gma=
il.com">grglmn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto">I don't believe the suspension was rai=
sed. Might appear taller as TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wi=
der 185/70, or just new springs riding a little high.<div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, M=
ar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <<a href=3D"mailto:john@linneyweb.com";>j=
ohn@linneyweb.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div s=
tyle=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Lovely car. Did t=
hey raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.<br><div=
><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefer=
rer">don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Friends in NL h=
ave reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 196=
7 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in th=
e midwest.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_attr">Anybody know the car? It's said to be a pretty special TR=
, and I'd probably agree. My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorab=
le given my budget, skills, and marque support at the time. But today -=
- I wish I still had it!</div><br>Here=E2=80=99s the sales ad:<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=3Dtriumph-tr5"; rel=3D"no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfo=
lio=3Dtriumph-tr5</a><br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Note t=
he comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the stuff arou=
nd engines. Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your efforts in=
this area back in the day.</div></div>
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