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My local British repair shop recommended a Hardi fuel pump, made in German=
y. =C2=A0You can mount it by the fuel tank=C2=A0to push, or in the engine =
bay to pull. =C2=A0Works great, very quiet.=0A=0ARye=0APH: 530-FIND-RYE=0A=
=0AOn August 11, 2020 at 11:27 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com> wrot=
e:=0A=0AI concur with Albert. =C2=A0I have a made in Italy one from TRF on=
my 6 and works perfectly. =C2=A0I carry a spare Delphi low pressure elect=
ric pump in boot as emergency. =C2=A0Real easy to hook up on driver inner =
fender and wire to coil for power. =C2=A0They are inexpensive and readily =
available. =C2=A0=0ACheers=0AJim Henningsen=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 11, 2020, at 1:=
45 PM, albert runyan <albertrunyan@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0A=EF=BB=BF=0AWe s=
topped selling this pump about 5 years ago.=C2=A0 Our current fuel pump is=
made in Italy and we do not have issues with them.=0Aregards,=0AAlbert=0A=
TRF=0A=0AOn Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43 PM staffel <staffel@comcast.net> wr=
ote:=0A=0ASeveral years ago on an evening=C2=A0 club drive in the Catoctin=
Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got =
dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical=
fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericks=
burg and a Motel.=0A=0ANext morning, still raining,=C2=A0 the issue was ap=
parent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.=C2=A0=
Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortu=
nately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.=0A=0A=
Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. S=
o much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.=0A=0AAlso examination=
of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working o=
n the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.=C2=A0=0A=0AA few months later go=
t everything back together.=C2=A0 The engine started right up & ran fine. =
But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original=
=C2=A0 curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, r=
tv) the leak wouldn't stop.=C2=A0=0A=0AMagnifying glass exam of the origin=
al Triumph=C2=A0 Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new T=
RF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not =
Metric either.=C2=A0=0A=0ASo after talking with TRF, I decided to forget t=
he mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala=C2=A0Jaguar V12s & Je=
nsen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).=0A=0AWell, I installed a couple of=C2=A0 di=
fferent new electric=C2=A0 pumps=C2=A0 adjacent to the mechanical pump.=0A=
=0AThey would never 'self prime'.=C2=A0=0A=0ANow, returning to the project=
. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It se=
ems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the=
elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original=
pump, to receive fuel.=C2=A0=0A=0ASo I am redetailing the frame (cleaning=
& new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec p=
ump=C2=A0 right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tan=
k ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric p=
ump.=0A=0ANext will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of ori=
ginality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water =
pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , =
ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the fron=
t of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.=0A=0AFinally hope t=
his resolves the fuel delivery issue.=0A=0AI=C2=A0 wanted to share a warni=
ng about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not was=
te years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.=0A=0AObviously not g=
oing to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the T=
R4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have=
3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.=C2=A0=0A=
=0ASherman D Taffel=C2=A0=0AColumbia MD and Goldvein VA=C2=A0=0A65 TR4 CT =
50054L=0A( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)=0A=0A=0AS=
ent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone=0A=
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<html><body><div>My local British repair shop recommended a Hardi fuel pump,
made in G=
ermany. You can mount it by the fuel tank to push, or in the en=
gine bay to pull. Works great, very quiet.</div><div><br data-mce-bo=
gus=3D"1"></div><div class=3D"x-apple-signature">Rye<br>PH: 530-FIND-RYE</=
div><div><br>On August 11, 2020 at 11:27 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gm=
ail.com> wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D=
"msg-quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">I concur with Albert. I ha=
ve a made in Italy one from TRF on my 6 and works perfectly. I carry=
a spare Delphi low pressure electric pump in boot as emergency. Rea=
l easy to hook up on driver inner fender and wire to coil for power.  =
;They are inexpensive and readily available. </div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Cheers</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jim Henningsen</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 11, 2020, at 1:45 =
PM, albert runyan <albertrunyan@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquot=
e></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">We sto=
pped selling this pump about 5 years ago. Our current fuel pump is m=
ade in Italy and we do not have issues with them.<div>regards,</div><div>A=
lbert</div><div>TRF</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43 PM staffel <<a =
href=3D"mailto:staffel@comcast.net"; data-mce-href=3D"mailto:staffel@comcas=
t.net">staffel@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc=
ccc; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; bord=
er-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans=
-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: =
sans-serif;">Several years ago on an evening club drive in the Catoc=
tin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it g=
ot dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. =
Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fre=
dericksburg and a Motel.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-=
serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: s=
ans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-seri=
f;">Next morning, still raining, the issue was apparent: in the bott=
om of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'. Cleaned the bowl &=
amp; nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag cl=
ub friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.</span></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sa=
ns-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif=
;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">Further examination determined sedim=
ent also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' be=
ing 'effective'.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-seri=
f;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-=
style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">Also=
examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so whi=
le working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF. </span></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: s=
ans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif=
;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">A few months later got everything ba=
ck together. The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matt=
er how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original curv=
ed pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the lea=
k wouldn't stop. </span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-se=
rif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: san=
s-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;=
">Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph Male pipe 'nut' and =
the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mism=
atch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either. </span></div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: san=
s-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;=
" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">So after talking with TRF, I decided =
to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala Jagua=
r V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).</span></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" st=
yle=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span =
face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"f=
ont-family: sans-serif;">Well, I installed a couple of different new=
electric pumps adjacent to the mechanical pump.</span></div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: =
sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif=
;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">They would never 'self prime'. =
</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-fa=
mily: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">Now, returning to th=
e project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the ol=
d fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full=
requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of=
the original pump, to receive fuel. </span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=
=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span fac=
e=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font=
-family: sans-serif;">So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new pa=
int) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump&n=
bsp; right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( a=
fter Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.<=
/span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"=
font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-fam=
ily: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">Next will be modifyin=
g a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump=
feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper p=
ipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along th=
e engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then =
across to the carburetor feeds.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D=
"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-fam=
ily: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-se=
rif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: san=
s-serif;">Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.</span></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family:=
sans-serif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-se=
rif;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">I wanted to share a warning=
about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste=
years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.</span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif=
;" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;" style=
=3D"font-family: sans-serif;">Obviously not going to drive a car with weep=
ing fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar =
6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifol=
ds are on the opposite side of the engine. </span></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><span face=3D"sans-serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"=
style=3D"font-family: sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto">She=
rman D Taffel </div><div dir=3D"auto">Columbia MD and Goldvein VA&nbs=
p;</div><div dir=3D"auto">65 TR4 CT 50054L</div><div dir=3D"auto">( per VT=
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