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I think the "rust inhibitor" is phosphoric acid. It seems to chemically alter
the structure of rust. Just, it needs to fastidiously flushed off after it
sits for something like 15 minutes.
> On April 24, 2020 at 11:03 AM dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>
>
> That black media he used was likely ground up lava. I have used that and
> its not as aggressive as sand.
>
>
>
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye
> Livingston
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net>
> Cc: Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net) <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] sandblasting
>
>
>
> My nephew started his own company of mobile power cleaning. He bought
> this serious diesel powered professional duel axle trailer rig in Texas, and
> he could power clean with all kinds of media depending on the application,
> and he also had hot water blasting. He did all kinds of jobs, from vintage
> cars, boats for the Coast Guard, to BART stations in San Francisco for both
> graffiti to human waste. And if that wasn't gross enough, he said one of the
> worst was a Chinese restaurant that got sited and fined every day for grease
> oozing out of the cinder black and concrete enclosure for their dumpster.
> One of his easiest jobs was my 8' long utility trailer.
>
>
>
> In all those situations, a mobile service like his, they will capture and
> clean up the media and waste, big vacuum system. For that Chinese restaurant
> he put out dams to channel the water and goo and were vacuuming up all that
> grease and hot water, very gross.
>
>
>
> At my house he used an inert material, but it was not sand. It was some
> sort of black material that looked like shards of coal. I've texted him to
> find out what it was.
>
>
>
> As was mentioned, for the cars he blasted, he had a couple of "learning"
> cars that were not vintage. The trick was to learn not to let the hood, or
> any long body panel, get hot and warp. So check for references to make sure
> who you hire has that experience. After he learned he did several cars
> including BMWs and vintage 911s and 356 Porsches.
>
>
>
> When he did this work, he had a full helmet respirator setup, coveralls,
> gloves and boots. No media got where he didn't want it, but he was a hot
> sweaty mess when he took that helmet off.
>
>
>
> I live in a cul-de-sac and he did the blasting down there, and there was
> just a little bit of media that was under the trailer that didn't get cleaned
> up, so again, a mobile service has a process to not leave all that behind.
>
>
>
> He also had a "rust inhibitor" he sprayed on the bare metal so it didn't
> get a quick flash rust overnight. Google that for details. I was able to
> paint over that no problem. I bought a gallon of black Rust-Oleum paint and
> repainted it myself and it's like a new trailer.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
>
>
> Rye
> PH: 530-FIND-RYE
>
>
> On April 23, 2020 at 9:04 PM, DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye@comcast.net
> mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net > wrote:
>
> > >
> > Back in '08-'09, I had my TR3 body tub and frame blasted at a local
> > powder coating company. $300 each. They blasted every square inch with
> > crushed garnet. The tub was stripped of every bolt-on part. In two
> > different visits, I set up both items on my makeshift engine stand
> > rotisserie, with custom attachments, to make it a lot easier for them and
> > the best outcome. Worth every penny and more.
> >
> > Skip this part if you can and have a company do this work. You
> > might even consider a mobile unit come to you. Different media can be used
> > depending on paint or rust. Special care has to be taken on body parts,
> > not to warp them, but if the person has a little finesse, any harm can be
> > avoided.
> >
> > The important part of good blasting is high CFM from the
> > compressor. If you don't have enough CFM, you'll be working way too hard
> > for way too long.
> >
> > Dave H.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > On April 23, 2020 at 8:25 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com
> > > mailto:grglmn@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > I stripped a TR4 years ago over the course of I don't
> > > remember how many evenings after work, using several gallons of paint
> > > stripper bought at closeout tool store, saying never again and wishing I
> > > had a sandblaster.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Be careful what you wish for I guess.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Greg Lemon
> > >
> > > TR250
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 9:08 PM Jeff Scarbrough <
> > > fishplate@gmail.com mailto:fishplate@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:53 PM Michael Porter <
> > > > mdporter@dfn.com mailto:mdporter@dfn.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Which reminds me of J.E. Gordon's (The New
> > > > > Science of Strong Materials) remark about production welding:
> > > > > "Welding is like Hell--fun for the first three or four hours."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There was a time when I couldn't wait to learn how to
> > > > run the cotton picker at work. It got old kind of quick...But it still
> > > > beat a day in the office in front of the computer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">
I think the "rust inhibitor" is phosphoric acid. It seems to
chemically alter the structure of rust. Just, it needs to fastidiously
flushed off after it sits for something like 15 minutes.
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<blockquote type="cite">
On April 24, 2020 at 11:03 AM dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
<br>
<br>
<div class="ox-07405622ec-WordSection1">
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">That black media he used was likely
ground up lava. I have used that and its not as aggressive as
sand. </p>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div style="border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt
0in 0in 0in;">
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Triumphs
<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Rye
Livingston<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, April 24, 2020 9:25
AM<br><strong>To:</strong> DAVE HOGYE
<dlhogye@comcast.net><br><strong>Cc:</strong> Triumphs
(triumphs@autox.team.net)
<triumphs@autox.team.net><br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR]
sandblasting</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">My nephew started his own company of
mobile power cleaning. He bought this serious diesel powered professional
duel axle trailer rig in Texas, and he could power clean with all kinds of
media depending on the application, and he also had hot water blasting.
He did all kinds of jobs, from vintage cars, boats for the Coast Guard,
to BART stations in San Francisco for both graffiti to human waste. And
if that wasn't gross enough, he said one of the worst was a Chinese restaurant
that got sited and fined every day for grease oozing out of the cinder black
and concrete enclosure for their dumpster. One of his easiest jobs was my
8' long utility trailer.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">In all those situations, a mobile
service like his, they will capture and clean up the media and
waste, big vacuum system. For that Chinese restaurant he put out dams to
channel the water and goo and were vacuuming up all that grease and hot
water, very gross. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">At my house he used an inert material,
but it was not sand. It was some sort of black material that looked like
shards of coal. I've texted him to find out what it was.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">As was mentioned, for the cars he
blasted, he had a couple of "learning" cars that were not vintage. The
trick was to learn not to let the hood, or any long body panel,
get hot and warp. So check for references to make sure who you hire
has that experience. After he learned he did several cars including BMWs
and vintage 911s and 356 Porsches.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">When he did this work, he had a full
helmet respirator setup, coveralls, gloves and boots. No media got where
he didn't want it, but he was a hot sweaty mess when he took that helmet
off.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">I live in a cul-de-sac and he did the
blasting down there, and there was just a little bit of media that was under
the trailer that didn't get cleaned up, so again, a mobile service has a
process to not leave all that behind.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">He also had a "rust inhibitor" he
sprayed on the bare metal so it didn't get a quick flash rust overnight.
Google that for details. I was able to paint over that no problem.
I bought a gallon of black Rust-Oleum paint and repainted it myself and
it's like a new trailer.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">Good luck,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">Rye<br>PH: 530-FIND-RYE</p>
</div>
<div>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"><br>On
April 23, 2020 at 9:04 PM, DAVE HOGYE <<a
href="mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net";>dlhogye@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;">Back in '08-'09, I had my
TR3 body tub and frame blasted at a local powder coating company. $300
each. They blasted every square inch with crushed garnet. The tub
was stripped of every bolt-on part. In two different visits, I set up
both items on my makeshift engine stand rotisserie, with custom attachments, to
make it a lot easier for them and the best outcome. Worth every penny and
more. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;">Skip this part if you can
and have a company do this work. You might even consider a mobile unit
come to you. Different media can be used depending on paint or
rust. Special care has to be taken on body parts, not to warp them, but
if the person has a little finesse, any harm can be avoided. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;">The important part of
good blasting is high CFM from the compressor. If you don't have enough
CFM, you'll be working way too hard for way too long. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;">Dave H. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;"> </span></p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">On
April 23, 2020 at 8:25 PM Greg Lemon <<a
href="mailto:grglmn@gmail.com";>grglmn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">I stripped a TR4 years ago over the
course of I don't remember how many evenings after work, using several gallons
of paint stripper bought at closeout tool store, saying never again and wishing
I had a sandblaster. </p>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">Be careful what you wish for I
guess.</p>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">Greg Lemon</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">TR250</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 9:08 PM Jeff
Scarbrough < <a
href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com";>fishplate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:53 PM
Michael Porter < <a href="mailto:mdporter@dfn.com";>mdporter@dfn.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<p>Which reminds me of J.E. Gordon's (<em><span
style="font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">The New Science of Strong
Materials</span></em>) remark about production welding: "Welding is like
Hell--fun for the first three or four hours."</p>
</div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal">There was a time when I
couldn't wait to learn how to run the cotton picker at work. It got old
kind of quick...But it still beat a day in the office in front of the
computer.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="ox-07405622ec-MsoNormal"> </p>
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