----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist@cox.net>
To: "Paul Willoughby" <paulwillou@socal.rr.com>; <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Now VTR Membership was Re: Crash pad replacement
> Paul,
> The information is available for free. It is available from several
> knowledable people on this and other lists. What is NOT free is the cost
> of hosting a website and keeping it maintained as well as coordinating an
> organization as diverse and wide spread as VTR.
>
> I have no comment on hiding data from non members because people who need
> it and refuse to join VTR can still find it if they are creative and
> persistant.
>
> But I believe that we all should join VTR in order to strengthen the
> organization and the worthwhile things that the club represents. The cost
> is very minor compared to what we all spend on our cars every year.
>
> There is strength in numbers and with the number of cars that are being
> crushed, wrecked and rendered into piles of brown powder every year, it is
> even more important that we remaining owners band together to strengthen
> our common interests.
>
> Joe C.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Willoughby" <paulwillou@socal.rr.com>
> To: <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Now VTR Membership was Re: Crash pad replacement
>
>
>> I'm not a VTR member. I won't join them now. Holding the tech tips
>> ransom to
>> force membership isn't right. Besides, those tech tips just aren't that
>> valuable. I can get better information right here, tailor suited to my
>> specific situation. I do contribute monetarily to this list and to my
>> local
>> Triumph club.
>>
>> VTR is a fine organization and a valuable member of the Triumph
>> community.
>> They seem to put on great shows (unfortunately, mostly East Coast). But
>> I'm a
>> firm believer that information on the internet should be free. Offhand,
>> I
>> can't think of another Triumph internet resource that charges for tech
>> tips.
>> Even Moss Motors provides their tech tips for free.
>>
>> Sorry VTR, but you're off base on this one.
>>
>> Paul Willoughby
>> Torrance, California
>> 1964 TR4
>> 1956 TR3
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > If this type of information is a valuable resource to us then we
>> should
>> > support VTR for providing it to us via our Membership in their
>> organization.
>>
>> If, on the other hand, we feel that VTR has been entirely too
>> high-handed
>> in
>> limiting access to information that was DONATED to them with the
>> expectation
>> it
>> would be made available to ALL Triumph enthusiasts, we should "vote with
>> our
>> feet" and look elsewhere.
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