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I had my shroud off of the car when I added the lower piece. You have to
drill some holes and attach with screws or rivets ( I used rivets). I
think it might be hard to drill the hole while the shroud is in the car.
If I remember right you will also have to remove the fan to get the shroud
back in.
Have Fun,
Joe Brown
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 9:54=E2=80=AFAM M Lafayette via Tigers <
tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
> RE the added lower fan shroud......does this piece have to be attached
> after the shroud is in place or can the the complete modified shroud be
> slipped on with the fan in place? Mark L
>
> In a message dated 7/19/2023 9:21:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> tigers@autox.team.net writes:
>
>
> I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock
> tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air come=
s
> through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the
> radiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your ow=
n
> radiator. It works.
>
> On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think michael hit the nail on the head. first need to know is it
> overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
>
> a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped. and spal
> is the go to brand. still need the horn holes and gap between cross
> member and rad blocked. cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly an=
d
> can be replaced with a more permanent solution later if you want. also
> need a fan shroud.
>
> personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a
> small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley. that creates enough pull
> through the radiator at idle.
>
> if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem entirel=
y
> and there are a variety of other things to check.
>
> in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions (slowing
> down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a particular
> altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem. there are a bun=
ch
> of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but
> i've only suffered from it once.
>
> one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the tige=
r
> over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose. at lea=
st
> you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with thermostat or
> water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, even how
> blocked the radiator is.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <tigers@autox.te=
am.net>
> wrote:
>
> I=E2=80=99ve been reading about cooling issues with tigers for more that =
a decade
> (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and
> shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on this issue. Just check
> STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first place to
> start is knowing what the actual engine team really is. We all know that
> the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the
> wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines
> can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not necessarily a bad thing=
.
> Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not reall=
y sure is
> does anything. My original guage can show 225-230 on a hot day (humidity
> plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the shou=
ld
> is an issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get under the
> radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be done. However, =
on a hot low
> humidity day.. well good luck. JMO
>
> On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com> wrote=
:
>
> The article includes several suggestions.
>
> One of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the
> bottom.
>
> A list member offered a piece he fabricated.
>
> I obtained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later
> this year.
>
> Even a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.
>
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger
>
> <image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Have you looked at this cooling suggestions?
> http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValan=
ce1.asp
>
> It works great in Southern California heat.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>=
wrote:
>
> My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas. I've read
> through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of t=
he
> suggested modifications. They listed two different pusher electric fans =
in
> the article but both of them are no longer available.
>
> So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan? If so, what part number=
s?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I had my shroud off of the car when I added the lower piec=
e.=C2=A0 You have to drill some holes and attach with screws or rivets ( I =
used rivets).=C2=A0 I think it might be hard to drill the hole while the sh=
roud is in the car.=C2=A0 If I remember right you will also have to remove =
the fan to get the shroud back in.<div><br></div><div>Have Fun,</div><div>J=
oe Brown</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 9:54=E2=80=AFAM M Lafayette via Tig=
ers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:r=
gb(0,0,0)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:bo=
ld">RE the=C2=A0 added lower fan shroud......does this piece have to be att=
ached after the shroud is in place or can the=C2=A0 the complete modified s=
hroud=C2=A0 be slipped on with the fan in place?=C2=A0 Mark L<br></span></d=
iv>
<br>In a message dated 7/19/2023 9:21:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, <a href=
=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</=
a> writes:
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left:2px solid=
blue">
<div id=3D"m_2374319480007710473yiv2963498244">
<div>I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock =
tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes =
through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the r=
adiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your o=
wn radiator.=C2=A0 It works.=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>
<div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <<a href=3D"mailto:owain.l=
loyd@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">owain.lloyd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div=
>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style=
:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transfor=
m:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I think mi=
chael hit the nail on the head.=C2=A0 first need to know is it overheating =
when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped.=C2=A0 a=
nd spal is the go to brand.=C2=A0 =C2=A0still need the horn holes and gap b=
etween cross member and rad blocked.=C2=A0 cardboard and zip ties does the =
trick quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent=C2=A0solution later=
if you want.=C2=A0 also need a fan shroud.
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i hav=
e a small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.=C2=A0 that creates en=
ough pull through the radiator at idle.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>if its=C2=A0overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem=
entirely and there are a variety=C2=A0of other things to check.</div>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions=C2=A0=
(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a parti=
cular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem.=C2=A0 there =
are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield=
, but i've=C2=A0only suffered from it once.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in t=
he tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose.=
=C2=A0 at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with=
thermostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should lo=
ok, even how blocked the radiator is.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<br style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-=
weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-=
space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" clear=3D"none">
<div style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font=
-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white=
-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow noopener norefe=
rrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:=
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><span style=3D"font-size:large">I=E2=80=99ve been reading=C2=A0about c=
ooling issues with tigers for more that a decade (much less than some readi=
ng this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire stud=
ies have been done on=C2=A0this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club sit=
e. All good reads! I think the first place to start is=C2=A0knowing what th=
e actual=C2=A0engine team really is. We all know that the original temp gua=
ge can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degr=
ees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degree=
s easily and that is not=C2=A0necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher =
in mine only because I had one. I=E2=80=99m not really sure is does=C2=A0an=
ything. My=C2=A0original guage can show 225-230 on =C2=A0a hot day (humidit=
y plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the shou=
ld is an=C2=A0issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get und=
er the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be=C2=A0done.=
However, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</span>
<div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>
<div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <<a href=3D"mailto:aball=
ard@ix.netcom.com" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" targ=
et=3D"_blank">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;=
font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;w=
hite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:=
inline">The article includes several suggestions.</span>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">One of them is to seal t=
he missing section of the stock fan shroud at the bottom.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">A list member offered a =
piece he fabricated.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I obtained one and here =
are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this year.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Even a few degrees of co=
oling will be worth the effort.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=C2=A0</div>
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eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Allan Ballard</div>
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eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span id=3D"m_2374319480=
007710473yiv2963498244cid:1896cb123c14211b0811"><image0.jpeg></span><=
span id=3D"m_2374319480007710473yiv2963498244cid:1896cb123c143c689202"><=
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<div id=3D"m_2374319480007710473yiv2963498244yqtfd45538"><br clear=3D"none"=
><br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <<a href=3D"mailto=
:jay.laifman@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect"=
target=3D"_blank">jay.laifman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><=
br clear=3D"none"></blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? =C2=A0<a href=
=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanVal=
ance1.asp" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanV=
alance1.asp</a>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>It works great in Southern California heat.</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" s=
hape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in=
Texas.=C2=A0 I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King=
and I will make some of the suggested modifications.=C2=A0 They listed two=
different pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are no long=
er available.
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, what par=
t numbers?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
</div>
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