Sorry, as you might imagine the installation is pretty tight. Unless I had the
car up on a lift, pictures are not going to happen. Let me think about it
though there may be a way. But it wonâ??t be quick
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> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 13:13:46 -0700
> From: "Buck Trippel" <bucktrippel@verizon.net>
> To: <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>, "'LARRY PAULICK'" <lpaulick1@verizon.net>
> Cc: <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
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> Owain, have you encountered either high outside air temps or high altitudes
> when using Evans in your Tiger?
>
>
>
> Buck
>
>
>
> From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 8:42 AM
> To: LARRY PAULICK <lpaulick1@verizon.net>
> Cc: Buck Trippel <bucktrippel@verizon.net>; tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
>
>
>
> Assuming all those things are done, evans is still not quite up to the job in
> my car. Most of those cooling tricks are for slow moving car. My car ran
> too hot even at speed with evans and the less than perfect radiator. As I
> said, with a better radiator or with water instead it is fine.
>
>
>
> My reason for preferring brass is that it can be easily soldered. I
> struggled on for a long time with my brass radiator but eventually it was
> just too stress fatigued and needed frequent repair. If I could get a new
> brass one I would certainly prefer that.
>
>
>
> Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 17:36 LARRY PAULICK <lpaulick1@verizon.net
> <mailto:lpaulick1@verizon.net> > ha scritto:
>
> Another issue is aluminum versus brass radiators. Aluminum radiators are
> lighter but brass transfers heat more efficiently.
>
>
>
> When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a stock two row brass
> retaining the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit was not affected.
>
>
>
> Also if you're replacing or having overheating problems, a closed impeller
> type water pump is much more efficient. Some aftermarket companies sell them
> already set up this way, but you can buy just the impeller plate from Summit
> for a very low price and install it yourself. Pumping efficiency is greatly
> improved.
>
>
>
> TEAE did a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling. This excellent
> engineering study is still applicable today and well worth reading,
> dispelling a lot of myths.
>
>
>
> Another design problem with the tiger is that there is no lower portion of
> the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is removed from the radiator then goes
> down to the ground and circles back through the front of the radiator, at
> rest.
>
>
>
> I know this for a fact since I did smoke test and watched the air
> recirculating.
>
>
>
> I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and made a low cost plastic
> air dam that comes down about 4 inches, to help the flow of air through the
> radiator and continue towards the rear of the car while in motion.
>
>
>
> Bottom line it all works and I don't overheat.
>
>
>
> I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying that the V8 takes up so
> much space that that's why they overheat. Just look at today's cars and how
> they fill the engine bay and it becomes apparent this is another myth.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com
> <mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
> Yep. I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the 500hp
> motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch off even
> back to water and antifreeze. It worked sort of ok with the dale radiator
> but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just couldn?t keep the
> temps down. Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient and lower
> power motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care of.
>
>
>
> Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers
> <tigers@autox.team.net <mailto:tigers@autox.team.net> > ha scritto:
>
> In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they all hot now?) I put Evans in
> a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in front of a rather
> stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an almost 5-thousand mile road
> test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via I80/I90 to attend the TEAE
> United and then Route 66 on the way home. Temperatures were frequently at 100
> degrees. So it got quite a test.
>
>
>
> The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its inferior
> specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the engine heat.
>
>
>
> The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and the
> engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above
> 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA tow
> truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly drained maybe
> half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain water so I could
> get home. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in the 115
> degree August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water, adding Water
> Wetter for corrosion protection.
>
>
>
> I don?t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific heat (or
> ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something like .65
> or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. From my
> experience I?d say one would have to be exceptionally brave to use it,
> especially with a stock radiator system or with a more powerful engine which
> will place even more demand on the Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BTW in the
> Tiger we drove on that trip, we had removed the stock block under the carb
> that hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have made even more of
> a problem.)
>
>
>
> Buck Trippel
>
> Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it contained a more
> detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip ? I think it was
> published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net
> <mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Dr. T. Y. McDowell
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM
> To: Tiger's List <tigers@autox.team.net <mailto:tigers@autox.team.net> >
> Subject: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
>
>
>
> Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant?
>
> It has a boiling point of 375 (F). I'd like to hear from anyone who's using
> it as I'm considering it.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Tym McDowell
>
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> To: JAMES ARMSTRONG <rollright@aol.com>, tigers@autox.team.net
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> James,??Would you happen to have any pictures of the lower shroud?Jim DSent
> from my Galaxy
> -------- Original message --------From: JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers
> <tigers@autox.team.net> Date: 7/2/22 3:14 PM (GMT-05:00) To:
> tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 15, Issue 218
> HelloI met a Canadian guy, I believe from Qu?bec at the 2000 TEAE United in
> Rockland Maine. He said he was fabricating Lower fan shrouds.? I stayed in
> touch, bought the device, had it installed on the Tiger and it works quite
> nicely.My engine is a rebuilt 260 with a comp cam, Edelbrock F4B, PerTronics,
> and that?s it. A mild upgrade but the lower fan shroud does help. For really
> really hot days, I?ve got a Kenlow pusher fan and with everything I have no
> troubleSent from my iPhone> On Jul 2, 2022, at 12:05 PM,
> tigers-request@autox.team.net wrote:> > ?Send Tigers mailing list submissions
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> Message: 1> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 16:29:17 +0200> From: Owain Lloyd
> <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>> To: Buck Trippel <bucktrippel@verizon.net>> Cc: "Dr.
> T. Y. McDowell" <tym2@comcast.net>, "Tiger's List">???
> <tigers@autox.team.net>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling>
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> <CANE47iQLDVr=D_km8HR0ofZyQCG2soZ2fKYc2oBq9EpwUSgtoA@mail.gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Yep.? I run in most cars with no
> problems but in the tiger with the 500hp> motor I needed every bit of
> efficiency possible so had to switch off even> back to water
> and antifreeze.? It worked sort of ok with the dale radiator> but then I
> switched to another brand radiator and it just couldn?t keep the> temps
> down.?? Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient and lower> power
> motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care of.> > Il giorno sab
> 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers <> tigers@autox.team.net> ha
> scritto:> >> In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren?t they all hot now?) I
> put Evans>> in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in
> front of a>> rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an almost
> 5-thousand>> mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via
> I80/I90 to>> attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way home.
> Temperatures were>> frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.>> >>
> >> >> The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its
> inferior>> specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the
> engine>> heat.>> >> >> >> The
> carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and the>>
> engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above>>
> 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA>>
> tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly drained>>
> maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain water so>>
> I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in>>
> the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water,>>
> adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection.>> >> >> >> I don?t have the
> numbers off the top of my head but the specific heat (or>> ability to
> transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something like>> .65 or only
> 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. From>> my
> experience I?d say one would have to be exceptionally brave to use it,>>
> especially with a stock radiator system or with a more powerful engine>>
> which will place even more demand on the
> Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BTW>> in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we
> had removed the stock block under>> the carb that hot radiator fluid passes
> through which probably have made>> even more of a problem.)>> >> >> >> Buck
> Trippel>> >> Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it contained
> a more>> detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip ? I think it
> was>> published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.>> >> >> >> >> >> *From:*
> Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Dr. T. Y.>> McDowell>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM>> *To:* Tiger's List
> <tigers@autox.team.net>>> *Subject:* [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling>> >> >>
> >> Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant?>> >> It
> has a boiling point of 375 (F).? I'd like to hear from anyone who's>> using
> it as I'm considering it.>> >> >> >> Thanks in advance,>> >> >> >> Tym
> McDowell>> _______________________________________________>> >>
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> 11:35:56 -0400> From: LARRY PAULICK <lpaulick1@verizon.net>> To:
> owain.lloyd@gmail.com> Cc: Buck Trippel <bucktrippel@verizon.net>,
> "tigers@autox.team.net">??? <tigers@autox.team.net>> Subject: Re: [Tigers]
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> <8EE82D37-2D80-4774-8AAA-C9B6AF6C080E@verizon.net>> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="utf-8"> > Another issue is aluminum versus brass radiators.?
> Aluminum radiators are lighter but? brass transfers heat more efficiently.> >
> > When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a stock two row brass retai
> ning the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit was not affected.> > Also if
> you're replacing or having overheating problems, a closed impeller type water
> pump is much more efficient. Some aftermarket companies sell them already set
> up this way, but you can buy just the impeller plate from Summit for a very
> low price and install it yourself. Pumping efficiency is greatly improved.> >
> TEAE > did a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling. This excellent
> engineering study is still applicable today and well worth reading,
> dispelling a lot of myths.> > > Another design problem with the tiger is that
> there is no lower portion of the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is removed
> from the radiator then goes down to the ground and circles back through the
> front of the radiator, at rest.> > > I know this for a fact since I did smoke
> test and watched the air recirculating.> > I fabricated a lower fan shroud
> from sheet metal, and made a low cost plastic air dam that comes down about 4
> inch
> es, to help> the flow of air through the radiator and continue towards the
> rear of the car while in motion.> > Bottom line it all works and I don't
> overheat.> > I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying that the V8
> takes up so much space that that's why they overheat. Just look at today's
> cars and how they fill the engine bay and it becomes apparent this is another
> myth.> >> On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>
> wrote:>> >> Yep.? I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with
> the 500hp motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch
> off even back to water and antifreeze.? It worked sort of ok with the dale
> radiator but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just couldn?t
> keep the temps down.?? Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient and
> lower power motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care of.>> >>
> Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers
> <tigers@autox.team.net <mailto:
> tigers@autox.team.net>> ha scritto:>> In August of the hot summer of 2019
> (aren?t they all hot now?) I put Evans in a Tiger which has an excellent two
> row aluminum radiator in front of a rather stock 289. My wife and I put the
> Tiger through an almost 5-thousand mile road test by driving from Los Angeles
> to La Crosse via I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the
> way home. Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a
> test.>> >> >> >> The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures
> its inferior specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the
> engine heat. >> >> >> >> The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled)
> inside the bowls and the engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated
> at altitudes above 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up
> on the same AAA tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and
> reluctantly drained maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it
> with plain water s
> o I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in
> the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water, adding
> Water Wetter for corrosion protection. >> >> >> >> I don?t have the numbers
> off the top of my head but the specific heat (or ability to transfer heat) of
> water is 1.00 while Evans is something like .65 or only 2/3 that of water.
> For me, Evans just did not do the job. From my experience I?d say one would
> have to be exceptionally brave to use it, especially with a stock radiator
> system or with a more powerful engine which will place even more demand on
> the Tiger?s weak cooling system. (BTW in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we
> had removed the stock block under the carb that hot radiator fluid passes
> through which probably have made even more of a problem.)>> >> >> >> Buck
> Trippel>> >> Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it contained
> a more detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip ? I think it was
> publishe
> d in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.>> >> >> >> >> >> From: Tigers
> <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net>> On
> Behalf Of Dr. T. Y. McDowell>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM>> To:
> Tiger's List <tigers@autox.team.net <mailto:tigers@autox.team.net>>>>
> Subject: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling>> >> >> >> Is anyone out there in
> Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant? >> >> It has a boiling point of 375
> (F).? I'd like to hear from anyone who's using it as I'm considering it. >>
> >> >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> >> >> Tym McDowell >> >>
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