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Owain, have you encountered either high outside air temps or high =
altitudes when using Evans in your Tiger?
=20
Buck
=20
From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>=20
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 8:42 AM
To: LARRY PAULICK <lpaulick1@verizon.net>
Cc: Buck Trippel <bucktrippel@verizon.net>; tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
=20
Assuming all those things are done, evans is still not quite up to the =
job in my car. Most of those cooling tricks are for slow moving car. =
My car ran too hot even at speed with evans and the less than perfect =
radiator. As I said, with a better radiator or with water instead it is =
fine.
=20
My reason for preferring brass is that it can be easily soldered. I =
struggled on for a long time with my brass radiator but eventually it =
was just too stress fatigued and needed frequent repair. If I could get =
a new brass one I would certainly prefer that.
=20
Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 17:36 LARRY PAULICK <lpaulick1@verizon.net =
Another issue is aluminum versus brass radiators. Aluminum radiators =
are lighter but brass transfers heat more efficiently.
=20
When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a stock two row brass =
retaining the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit was not affected.
=20
Also if you're replacing or having overheating problems, a closed =
impeller type water pump is much more efficient. Some aftermarket =
companies sell them already set up this way, but you can buy just the =
impeller plate from Summit for a very low price and install it yourself. =
Pumping efficiency is greatly improved.
=20
TEAE did a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling. This =
excellent engineering study is still applicable today and well worth =
reading, dispelling a lot of myths.
=20
Another design problem with the tiger is that there is no lower portion =
of the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is removed from the radiator =
then goes down to the ground and circles back through the front of the =
radiator, at rest.
=20
I know this for a fact since I did smoke test and watched the air =
recirculating.
=20
I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and made a low cost =
plastic air dam that comes down about 4 inches, to help the flow of air =
through the radiator and continue towards the rear of the car while in =
motion.
=20
Bottom line it all works and I don't overheat.
=20
I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying that the V8 takes up =
so much space that that's why they overheat. Just look at today's cars =
and how they fill the engine bay and it becomes apparent this is another =
myth.
On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com =
=20
Yep. I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the =
500hp motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch =
off even back to water and antifreeze. It worked sort of ok with the =
dale radiator but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just =
couldn=E2=80=99t keep the temps down. Pretty sure it would be doable =
with an efficient and lower power motor if all the other cooling =
problems were taken care of.
=20
Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers =
In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren=E2=80=99t they all hot now?) I =
put Evans in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in =
front of a rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an =
almost 5-thousand mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La =
Crosse via I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the =
way home. Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a =
test.
=20
The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its =
inferior specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the =
engine heat.=20
=20
The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and =
the engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes =
above 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the =
same AAA tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly =
drained maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with =
plain water so I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred =
crossing the Mojave in the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced =
the Evans with water, adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection.=20
=20
I don=E2=80=99t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific =
heat (or ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is =
something like .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not =
do the job. From my experience I=E2=80=99d say one would have to be =
exceptionally brave to use it, especially with a stock radiator system =
or with a more powerful engine which will place even more demand on the =
Tiger=E2=80=99s weak cooling system. (BTW in the Tiger we drove on that =
trip, we had removed the stock block under the carb that hot radiator =
fluid passes through which probably have made even more of a problem.)
=20
Buck Trippel
Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it contained a more =
detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip =E2=80=93 I think =
it was published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.
=20
=20
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
=20
Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant?=20
It has a boiling point of 375 (F). I'd like to hear from anyone who's =
using it as I'm considering it.=20
=20
Thanks in advance,=20
=20
Tym McDowell=20
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Owain, have you encountered =
either high outside air temps or high altitudes when using Evans in your =
Tiger?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Buck<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Owain Lloyd =
<owain.lloyd@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 2, 2022 =
8:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> LARRY PAULICK =
<lpaulick1@verizon.net><br><b>Cc:</b> Buck Trippel =
<bucktrippel@verizon.net>; =
tigers@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless =
Cooling<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Assuming all those things are done, evans is still not =
quite up to the job in my car. Most of those cooling tricks are =
for slow moving car. My car ran too hot even at speed with evans =
and the less than perfect radiator. As I said, with a better =
radiator or with water instead it is fine.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My reason for preferring brass is that it can be =
easily soldered. I struggled on for a long time with my brass =
radiator but eventually it was just too stress fatigued and needed =
frequent repair. If I could get a new brass one I would certainly =
prefer that.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Il =
giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 17:36 LARRY PAULICK <<a =
href=3D"mailto:lpaulick1@verizon.net";>lpaulick1@verizon.net</a>> ha =
scritto:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Another issue is aluminum versus brass =
radiators. Aluminum radiators are lighter but brass =
transfers heat more efficiently.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a =
stock two row brass retaining the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit =
was not affected.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Also if you're replacing or having overheating =
problems, a closed impeller type water pump is much more efficient. Some =
aftermarket companies sell them already set up this way, but you can buy =
just the impeller plate from Summit for a very low price and install it =
yourself. Pumping efficiency is greatly =
improved.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>TEAE did a study many years ago on all aspects of =
cooling. This excellent engineering study is still applicable today and =
well worth reading, dispelling a lot of =
myths.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Another design problem with the tiger is that there is =
no lower portion of the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is removed from =
the radiator then goes down to the ground and circles back through the =
front of the radiator, at rest.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
know this for a fact since I did smoke test and watched the air =
recirculating.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and made a low cost =
plastic air dam that comes down about 4 inches, to help the flow of air =
through the radiator and continue towards the rear of the car while in =
motion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bottom line it all works and I don't =
overheat.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying that the V8 takes up so =
much space that that's why they overheat. Just look at today's cars and =
how they fill the engine bay and it becomes apparent this is another =
myth.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div=
><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd <<a =
href=3D"mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">owain.lloyd@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div><di=
v><div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'>Yep. I =
run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the 500hp motor =
I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch off even back =
to water and antifreeze. It worked sort of ok with the dale =
radiator but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just =
couldn=E2=80=99t keep the temps down. Pretty sure it would be =
doable with an efficient and lower power motor if all the other cooling =
problems were taken care of.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'>Il giorno sab =
2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> ha =
scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'>In August of =
the hot summer of 2019 (aren=E2=80=99t they all hot now?) I put Evans in =
a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in front of a =
rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an almost =
5-thousand mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via =
I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way home. =
Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a =
test.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'> <o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'>The Evans did =
not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its inferior specific =
heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the engine =
heat. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'> <o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'>The carb got =
so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and the engine =
stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above =
4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same =
AAA tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly =
drained maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with =
plain water so I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred =
crossing the Mojave in the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced =
the Evans with water, adding Water Wetter for corrosion =
protection. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'> <o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'>I =
don=E2=80=99t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific =
heat (or ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is =
something like .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not =
do the job. From my experience I=E2=80=99d say one would have to be =
exceptionally brave to use it, especially with a stock radiator system =
or with a more powerful engine which will place even more demand on the =
Tiger=E2=80=99s weak cooling system. (BTW in the Tiger we drove on that =
trip, we had removed the stock block under the carb that hot radiator =
fluid passes through which probably have made even more of a =
problem.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'> <o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'>Buck =
Trippel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'>Ps I wrote up =
some of this years ago and I believe it contained a more detailed =
account of Evans heating issues on the trip =E2=80=93 I think it was =
published in both the TEAE and CAT =
newletters.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'> <o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'> <o:p></o=
:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'>From:</span></=
b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'> Tigers =
<<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Dr. T. Y. McDowell<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, =
July 2, 2022 5:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger's List <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [=
Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'> <o:p></o=
:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans Waterless =
Coolant? </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>It has a boiling point of 375 (F). I'd like to hear from anyone =
who's using it as I'm considering it. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Thanks in advance, </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Tym McDowell </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times-Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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