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Thanks for picking that u, Guy. Typos are a problem during my pompous email r=
ages. My made in China iPhone seems to remember my typographical error in t=
he hyperlink even after clearing history!
Ron Soave
www.kaneyaerospace.com
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 3:39 AM, GUY DAY <grday@btinternet.com> wrote:
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ox.team.net> wrote:
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> Listen, kids - understanding "why" is very much the point of the article. T=
hings are better when there is a purpose, a vision. When we did the Bustercl=
uster, the "why" was never "To restore this Sprite." It was "Pam and Buster=
will recreate their first date on Sunday in this car." Microsoft brought it=
s Zune MP3 player to market before the iPod and spouted specs, memory, size a=
nd sound quality in all its advertising. No one really paid attention becaus=
e they did not explain "why." Apple came out with the iPad and simply state=
d "4,000 songs on your pocket." Everyone got it.=20
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>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.t=
eam.net> wrote:
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>> Point well taken- Especially the IP factor. Mea Culpa
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>> Mark Haynes
>> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
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>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:43 AM, John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That is all true, BUT, there is another layer to this. My company has al=
so done business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time there g=
etting the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us. They work w=
e got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the minimum possib=
le quality that we could accept. The subs that we worked with did not care i=
f we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to have rework than to d=
o the work to a higher standard. So we basically had to inspect everything w=
e got from them. The reject rate was definitely much higher than any of the=
other subcontractors we worked with. =20
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>> Then there is the IP issue. Just about every design that the China-based=
sub worked on for us ended up getting ripped off and marketed by a differen=
t Chinese company shortly after out contract ended. Both companies were own=
ed by the government of China, so it seems likely they deliberately transfer=
red our technology to one of our competitors. Fortunately they did NOT try t=
o sell our design in the US. I am pretty sure we could have stopped them, b=
ut it would have been expensive. =20
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>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
>> This article is right on point, My brother in-law has traveled to China f=
or business (very astute Engineer BTW) and stated that the Chinese will make=
anything that you want to whatever price/quality point YOU define. They CAN=
make very good tools, but its up to the outsourcing company to tell them wh=
at level of quality they want.
>> Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost to produc=
e rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).
>> JMHO,
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>> Mark Haynes
>> It only goes one way- Pay It Forward
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Thanks for picking that u, Guy. Typos a=
re a problem during my pompous email rages. My made in China iPhone se=
ems to remember my typographical error in the hyperlink even after clearing h=
istory!<br><br>Ron Soave</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><a href=3D"http=
://www.kaneyaerospace.com">www.kaneyaerospace.com</a></div><div><br>On Jan 2=
1, 2016, at 3:39 AM, GUY DAY <<a href=3D"mailto:grday@btinternet.com";>grd=
ay@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue,=
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"=
><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721"><span>Try</span></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"ltr"><a rel=3D"noreferrer" shape=3D=
"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.kaneyaerospace.com.made/"; id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4030" style=3D"color: rgb(25, 106, 212); font-fam=
ily: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-s=
erif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D"">www=
.kaneyaerospace.com</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721"=
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"lt=
r">The separation after the .com bit is missing in my original message and t=
he required link is not obtainable.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14533686225=
05_4721" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" d=
ir=3D"ltr">All the best</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1453368622505_4721" dir=3D"ltr">G=
uy R Day </div> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D=
"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display: block;"> <div style=3D"font-family: Helveti=
caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-si=
ze: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvet=
ica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><=
font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Thursday, 21 January 2016, 2:51, Ron Soav=
e via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@au=
tox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_c=
ontainer"><div id=3D"yiv5034809551"><div><div>Listen, kids - understanding "=
why" is very much the point of the article. Things are better when there is a=
purpose, a vision. When we did the Bustercluster, the "why" was never "To r=
estore this Sprite." It was "Pam and Buster will recreate their first d=
ate on Sunday in this car." Microsoft brought its Zune MP3 player to market b=
efore the iPod and spouted specs, memory, size and sound quality in all its a=
dvertising. No one really paid attention because they did not explain "why."=
Apple came out with the iPad and simply stated "4,000 songs on your p=
ocket." Everyone got it. </div><div id=3D"yiv5034809551AppleMailSignatu=
re"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5034809551AppleMailSignature">Chi=
na? Not under my watch. <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.kaneyaerospace.com.made/";>www.kaneyaerospace.com.Made</a=
> in the USA by people on this list. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
ne">Ron Soave</div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551yqt7212341681" id=3D"yiv503480=
9551yqt03824"><div><br clear=3D"none">On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Mark Hayn=
es via Spridgets <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:sp=
ridgets@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.tea=
m.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Point well take=
n- Especially the IP factor. Mea Culpa<br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D=
"yiv5034809551gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"yiv503480955=
1gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<br clear=3D"none"></div>=
It only goes one way- Pay It Forward<br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div>
<br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, 2=
016 at 11:43 AM, John Innis <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D=
"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:jdinnis@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:jdinnis@gmail.com">jdinnis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none=
"><blockquote class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>That is a=
ll true, BUT, there is another layer to this. My company has also done=
business with sub-contractors in China, and I spent some time there getting=
the subs up to speed on the work they were doing for us. They work we=
got form them was of acceptable quality, but definitely the minimum possibl=
e quality that we could accept. The subs that we worked with did not c=
are if we rejected some product, it was cheaper for them to have rework than=
to do the work to a higher standard. So we basically had to inspect e=
verything we got from them. The reject rate was definitely much higher=
than any of the other subcontractors we worked with. <br clear=3D"non=
e"><br clear=3D"none"></div>Then there is the IP issue. Just about eve=
ry design that the China-based sub worked on for us ended up getting ripped o=
ff and marketed by a different Chinese company shortly after out contract en=
ded. Both companies were owned by the government of China, so it seems=
likely they deliberately transferred our technology to one of our competito=
rs. Fortunately they did NOT try to sell our design in the US. I=
am pretty sure we could have stopped them, but it would have been expensive=
. <br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_extra"><br=
clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"y=
iv5034809551h5">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Mark Haynes via Spridgets <=
span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:sp=
ridgets@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.tea=
m.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></di=
v></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv5034809551gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class=3D"yiv50=
34809551h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>This article is right on point, My br=
other in-law has traveled to China for business (very astute Engineer BTW) a=
nd stated that the Chinese will make anything that you want to whatever pric=
e/quality point YOU define. They CAN make very good tools, but its up to the=
outsourcing company to tell them what level of quality they want.<br clear=3D=
"none"></div>Unfortunately most of the US firms are more concerned with cost=
to produce rather than longevity and quality (Are you listening HF?).<br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div>JMHO,<br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5034809551=
gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mark Haynes<b=
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