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Wow Rick and Kent interesting facts. now regarding the 2 stroke Rick are
you using the 100 octane? Also Kent I get the ether being oilless and leads
to scoring the metal but has anyone made an ether combined with an oil for
our 2 stroke engines? I hate starting the "New" foreign made weed wacker
and chain saw. But like I said earlier I'll pick up the battery operated
pull starter for the weed wacker but the chainsaw will be a problem.
Lin
"Pay if forward" in honor of Frank Clarici III, Sprtenut
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
> I use 100 octane LL avgas in my small engines. It's pricey compared to
> auto gas, but works so much better it's worth the extra cost. My 39 year
> old snowblower thinks the stuff is wonderful. :-)
>
> Sent from my keyboard
>
> On Jan 28, 2015, at 12:59 PM, CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Two points to ponder... The first is ether in a diesel. Back in the day I
> worked for Avis Truck Division and we leased/rented trucks. We used to get
> semis back with blown engines. The drivers would use the onboard cold
> weather starting system (ether injection) to boost power when going up
> long, steep hills. It is kind of like using NOX for a second too long!
> Bang, you broke it...
>
> The second is using ether to start a 2 stroke motor. Bad choice because it
> washes the oil off the cylinders and can make it possible for scoring to
> occur. The rings dig into the cylinder wall and leave a groove (scored)
> whereby the compression leaks out into the crankcase.
>
> Today's pump gas degrades much faster than ever before. If you can find
> gas with no ethanol, use that in your small engines and you will not
> experience so many starting/running issues.
>
> My 02,
>
> Kent
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Cebridge via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Ether ( starting fluid) should not even be in a car persons vocabulary!!
>> Have seen soooo many motors turned into junk because of it. Ever seen the
>> head studs ripped out of the block of a diesel engine or a rod snapped in
>> half !!
>> Ill always opt for gasoline vapors off of a rag with gas on it. Just my
>> mileage lol
>>
>> Leo
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets <
>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Most starting fluid is ether, which is a LOT more volatile than
>> gasoline. That's why a balky engine will fire up on the stuff. It does
>> work in two-stroke engines, but in any engine only use the smallest amount
>> you can get away with. Be especially careful with the two-strokes as they
>> are lubed by the fuel-oil mixture and starting fluid washes the oil away.
>>
>> Sent from my keyboard
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Spridget Professors,
>> Thanks so much again for all the help, you guys are so important to me. I
>> remember telling Frank when we went to pick up my Bugeye only a year or two
>> before he left us that besides being sad that my father passed away I was
>> technically lost not knowing where to get good answers to my technical
>> questions. But you guys on this list and Frank's genius put my mind at
>> ease. With threads like these I feel like I just walked out of a classroom
>> with brilliant instructors that made the class the best class ever.
>>
>> Snow was 12"-18" and no need for the genny but so happy I have it ready
>> for both myself and my neighbor and her 2 small boys and any friends or
>> family with there pets that will come over if needed. I tried to post my
>> youtube of the genny running but forgot my youtube password. I'll try again
>> after I shovel the snow as it will freeze tonight and some more snow later
>> in the week.
>>
>> Special thanks to:
>>
>> Rick
>> Kevin
>> Trevor
>> Guy
>> Hal
>> Peter
>> John
>> Billy
>>
>> Happy Spridgeting, and thank you Professors,
>> Linda : )
>>
>> PS If anyone can tell me why is it that when ever I finally end up using
>> starting fluid most engines fire right up and can I use it in a 2 stroke
>> engine carburetor being they use oil and gas mixture. My weed wacker and my
>> chain saw kill me arm trying to get them started after sitting a week or
>> two.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Woohoo! Glad you got it going. Hope the storm leaves you alone and you
>>> don't need it. :-)
>>>
>>> Sent from my keyboard
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <
>>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> She runs.....Yippi.
>>> I got spark with both plugs and it didn't start then I sprayed Starting
>>> fluid and didn't start, then I put the spray hose way into the carb and it
>>> must have reached it and she fired right up.
>>> Thank you all for your help. It's this list with great guys that got me
>>> there as always I love you guys!
>>> Stay safe and warm.
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:13 PM, HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I vote with Hal. You can't leave new gas in the tank for long before
>>>> it goes bad. Friend had a similar problem with a chain saw and took it in
>>>> for repair. The old gas was drained and replaced with fresh. Everything
>>>> was fine. Small engine guy told him most of his repairs now were fixing
>>>> bad gasoline. I'd try draining all the old stuff, not just some of it.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <
>>>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would hate to drain 6 gallons of gas it would take a long time. I
>>>>> added 2 gallons to the 4 that I started with. My little Sprite always runs
>>>>> with year old gas.
>>>>> I really wish I got a genny with elect start.
>>>>> Off I go.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <
>>>>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lin,
>>>>>> If there is any of the old petrol left in the tank drain it and
>>>>>> replace with fresh! Modern fuels will absorb water and become quite
>>>>>> unusable.
>>>>>> I also recommend that you switch to an alternator.....
>>>>>> Hal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Wow Rick and Kent interesting facts. now regarding the 2 s=
troke Rick are you using the 100 octane? Also Kent I get the ether being oi=
lless and leads to scoring the metal but has anyone made an ether combined =
with an oil for our 2 stroke engines? I hate starting the "New" f=
oreign made weed wacker and chain saw. But like I said earlier I'll pic=
k up the battery operated pull starter for the weed wacker but the chainsaw=
will be a problem.<div><br></div><div>Lin</div><div>"Pay if forward&q=
uot; in honor of Frank Clarici III, Sprtenut</div></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ric=
k Fisk via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>></span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>I use 100 octane=
LL avgas in my small engines.=C2=A0 It's pricey compared to auto gas, =
but works so much better it's worth the extra cost.=C2=A0 My 39 year ol=
d snowblower thinks the stuff is wonderful. =C2=A0:-)<br><br>Sent from my k=
eyboard</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br>On Jan 28, 2015, at 12:59 PM, =
CosmicMag1380 via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"=
target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Two points to ponder... T=
he first is ether in a diesel.=C2=A0Back in the day I worked for Avis Truck=
Division and we leased/rented trucks. We used to get semis back with blown=
engines. The drivers would use the onboard=C2=A0cold weather starting syst=
em=C2=A0(ether injection) to boost power when going up long, steep hills. I=
t is kind of like using NOX for a second too long! Bang, you broke it...</d=
iv><div>=C2=A0</div><div>The second is using ether to start a 2 stroke moto=
r. Bad choice because it washes the oil off the cylinders and can make it p=
ossible for scoring to occur. The rings dig into the cylinder wall and leav=
e a groove (scored) whereby the compression leaks out into the crankcase.</=
div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Today's pump gas degrades much faster than ev=
er before. If you can find gas with no ethanol, use that in your small engi=
nes and you will not experience so many starting/running issues.</div><div>=
=C2=A0</div><div>My 02,</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Kent</div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9=
:43 AM, Cebridge via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:spri=
dgets@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>></s=
pan> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Ether =
( starting fluid) should not even be in a car persons vocabulary!! Have see=
n soooo many motors turned into junk because of it.=C2=A0 Ever seen the hea=
d studs ripped out of the block of a diesel engine or a rod snapped in half=
!!=C2=A0</div><div>Ill always opt for gasoline vapors off of a rag with ga=
s on it.=C2=A0 Just my mileage lol</div><div><br></div><div>Leo<br><br></di=
v><div><div><div><br>On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets =
<<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">spridgets=
@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>=
<div>Most starting fluid is ether, which is a LOT more volatile than gasoli=
ne.=C2=A0 That's why a balky engine will fire up on the stuff.=C2=A0 It=
does work in two-stroke engines, but in any engine only use the smallest a=
mount you can get away with.=C2=A0 Be especially careful with the two-strok=
es as they are lubed by the fuel-oil mixture and starting fluid washes the =
oil away.<br><br>Sent from my keyboard</div><div><br>On Jan 27, 2015, at 9:=
24 AM, Linda Grunthaner <<a href=3D"mailto:grunthaner@gmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">grunthaner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Spridget Professors,</div>Thanks so =
much again for all the help, you guys are so important to me. I remember te=
lling Frank when we went to pick up my Bugeye only a year or two before he =
left us that besides being sad that my father passed away I was technically=
lost not knowing where to get good answers to my technical questions. But =
you guys on this list and Frank's genius put my mind at ease. With thre=
ads like these I feel like I just walked out of a classroom with brilliant =
instructors that made the class the best class ever.<div><br></div><div>Sno=
w was 12"-18" and no need for the genny but so happy I have it re=
ady for both myself and my neighbor and her 2 small boys and any friends or=
family with there pets that will come over if needed. I tried to post my y=
outube of the genny running but forgot my youtube password. I'll try ag=
ain after I shovel the snow as it will freeze tonight and some more snow la=
ter in the week.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Special thanks to:</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Rick</div><div>Kevin</div><div>Trevor=C2=A0</div><div>Guy<=
/div><div>Hal=C2=A0</div><div>Peter=C2=A0</div><div>John=C2=A0</div><div>Bi=
lly</div><div><br></div><div>Happy Spridgeting, and thank you Professors,</=
div><div>Linda : )</div><div><br></div><div>PS If anyone can tell me why is=
it that when ever I finally end up using starting fluid most engines fire =
right up and can I use it in a 2 stroke engine carburetor being they use oi=
l and gas mixture. My weed wacker and my chain saw kill me arm trying to ge=
t them started after sitting a week or two.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:01 PM, Ric=
k Fisk <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:refisk@chartermi.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">refisk@chartermi.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-=
left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">=
<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Woohoo!=C2=A0 Glad you got it going.=C2=A0 Hope the =
storm leaves you alone and you don't need it. =C2=A0:-)<br><br>Sent fro=
m my keyboard</div><div><div><div><br>On Jan 26, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Linda Gr=
unthaner via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">She runs.....Yippi.<div>I got spark=
with both plugs and it didn't start then I sprayed Starting fluid and =
didn't start, then I put the spray hose way into the carb and it must h=
ave reached it and she fired right up.</div><div>Thank you all for your hel=
p. It's this list with great guys that got me there as always I love yo=
u guys!</div><div>Stay safe and warm.</div><div>Linda</div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:1=
3 PM, HealeyRick <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex=
;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style=
:solid"><div dir=3D"ltr">I vote with Hal.=C2=A0 You can't leave new gas=
in the tank for long before it goes bad.=C2=A0 Friend had a similar proble=
m with a chain saw and took it in for repair.=C2=A0 The old gas was drained=
and replaced with fresh.=C2=A0 Everything was fine.=C2=A0 Small engine guy=
told him most of his repairs now were fixing bad gasoline.=C2=A0 I'd t=
ry draining all the old stuff, not just some of it.<div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span>On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Li=
nda Grunthaner via Spridgets <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:spridg=
ets@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>></spa=
n> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef=
t-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><span><div dir=3D"ltr">I would hate to=
drain 6 gallons of gas it would take a long time. I added 2 gallons to the=
4 that I started with. My little Sprite always runs with year old gas.<div=
>I really wish I got a genny with elect start.=C2=A0</div><div>Off I go.</d=
iv></div></span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
span>On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Hal Faulkner via Spridgets <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">=
spridgets@autox.team.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-=
left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">=
<span><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Lin,<br></div>If there is any of the =
old petrol left in the tank drain it and replace with fresh!=C2=A0 Modern f=
uels will absorb water and become quite unusable.=C2=A0 <br></div>I also re=
commend that you switch to an alternator.....<br></div>Hal<br></div></span>=
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