Can you pour on some alcohol after the salt??
ooooh.. aaahhhh.. yeah yeah make it hurt baby!
;-> Bryan Vandiver (totally unworthy - with a 59 'greeen' bugeye)
>Cc: <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>Subject: RE: (follow up) Blown Head Gasket
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>Not to keep rubbing salt in the wound, but I bought a complete engine gasket
>set (everything!) from AutoZone. It came in two large FelPro boxes and cost
><$40. And, they had it in stock.
>
>Bill
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-spridgets@autox.team.net
>[mailto:owner-spridgets@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of robert weeks
>Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 6:26 PM
>To: Elliott, Patrick; 'Bryan Vandiver'; mhaynes@ball.com
>Cc: spridgets@autox.team.net
>Subject: RE: (follow up) Blown Head Gasket
>
>
>$64?
>
>I bought the FelPro from Advance Auto and it cost $18 or $19. I think the
>whole FelPro Head set was about $40, but I couldn't see spending the extra
>$$$$
>
>Robert
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>At 5:19 PM -0400 8/19/99, Elliott, Patrick wrote:
>>$64???? I bought Napa head gasket for $18 and guess what, it said felpro
>on
>>it.
>>Hasn't leaked for about 1500 miles now.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bryan Vandiver [mailto:Bryan.Vandiver@Eng.Sun.COM]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 1:41 PM
>>To: Bryan.Vandiver@Eng.Sun.COM; mhaynes@ball.com
>>Cc: spridgets@autox.team.net
>>Subject: RE: (follow up) Blown Head Gasket
>>
>>
>>Mark,
>>
>>Mark, thanks again for your comments.
>>At this point, I'm really skeptical about re-using the copper gasket I
>first
>>
>>tried, (even though there are less than 3hrs running time on it). The
>felpro
>>set
>>I ordered ($64) is supposed to be in today. I also thought I'd take this
>>'opportunity' to make some of the mods, that I had asked about in earlier
>>postings (adding PVC, and vac advance) to my intake manifold and dellorto
>>while
>>I had them off.
>>In any case, it doesn't look like there was any harm done, except for
>>getting
>>oil all over my nice clean engine compartment.
>>
>>Thanks again.
>> - Bryan
>>
>>>To: "'Bryan Vandiver'" <Bryan.Vandiver@eng.sun.com>
>>>Cc: "'spridgets@autox.team.net'" <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>>>Subject: RE: (follow up) Blown Head Gasket
>>>
>>>Brian- The copper doesn't act as a gasket by itself, since it won't deform
>>>under the slight (relatively) pressure applied by the Head Bolts, it acts
>>>more as a shim and thermal conductor than anything else. The 'thick coat'
>>of
>>>Copper Coat should, even with 3 coats, be no more than about .005" thick
>>(if
>>>properly applied). The use of copper coat itself, which contains copper as
>>a
>>>primary ingredient (hence the name) maintains the thermal transmission
>>>capacity of the copper head gasket. Even with a Fel-Pro gasket, I, myself,
>>>would still apply 3 coats of Copper Coat. Just my .02
>>>Mark Haynes
>>>'62 HAN6
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bryan Vandiver [SMTP:Bryan.Vandiver@Eng.Sun.COM]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:29 AM
>>>> To: spridgets@autox.team.net
>>>> Subject: (follow up) Blown Head Gasket
>>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone for all the great feedback!
>>>>
>>>> I pulled the head last night, and here's what I found...
>>>>
>>>> The gasket didn't really 'blow'. The copper gasket itself appeared to be
>>>> in OK
>>>> condition, however it was clear that it failed to seal almost
>>>> everywhere!(gives
>>>> a new meaning to the term 'top-oiling' the pistons). It was very clear,
>>>> because
>>>> of 'staining on the gasket, that coolant, and oil was not being sealed
>at
>>>> all.
>>>> Pistons 2&3 also appeared to be sharing compression. I'm really
>surprised
>>>> my
>>>> engine was running as well as it was, since I just thought it ran a
>>little
>>>>
>>>> rougher than it should!
>>>> In any case, I pick up the felpro gasket I have on order today. I will
>>>> also
>>>> check the head and top of the engine again with a straight edge to see
>if
>>>> they
>>>> should be resurfaced, but if there was a problem there, I would have
>>>> expected a
>>>> leak in a specific area.
>>>> As far as the 'copper gasket' (made in England) goes... the over
>whelming
>>>> advice
>>>> is to make sure it has about three coats of copper spray gasket sealer
>on
>>>> it
>>>> before using. This to me goes against all logic of what a a copper
>gasket
>>>> is all
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> a) if a head 'gasket' doesn't seal without putting a thick coat of
>gasket
>>
>>>> sealing material on it, then, that should have been specified when I
>>>> bought it.
>>>>
>>>> b) the whole reason for using a 'copper' gasket, is to promote a more
>>even
>>>>
>>>> cooling of the head, but in order for this to work, you need 'direct'
>>>> metal to
>>>> metal contact between the copper, and head/engine.
>>>>
>>>> But since you have to do 'a' to make the gasket work, then 'b' is no
>>>> longer
>>>> valid - so what's the point???
>>>>
>>>> In any case, thanks everyone, and if all goes well, I'll have the bugeye
>>>> back on
>>>> the road by Saturday :-
>>>>
>>>> BTW - For the Felpro gasket, should both the head and engine, be
>complete
>>>> clean
>>>> and dry before installing, or is a light coat of oil OK???
>>>>
>>>> - Regards,
>>>> Bryan Vandiver (59-bugeye)
>>>> San Jose, CA
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