This really goes back to what was said earlier on this list about
maintaining a decent attitude and treating all folks fairly...
Reputations take years to build and could be destroyed with so few
misplaced words...
I don't see any of this as a problem but you never can tell... Bad mouthing
Vendors without solid grounds could in fact lead us to this same
conclusion....YUCK.....
Keith Turk
Austin Healey 100, Bugeye, Box sprites, Bonneville Camaro ( Land Speed
Racer)
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> From: Daniel Thompson <dthompson@gbc.ca>
> To: 'spridgets@autox.team.net'
> Subject: Forward: (no LBC content!) this is what happened to the Jaguar
list archives; it could happen to our list one day (although I hope it
won't); please be careful about starting flame wars!
> Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 11:16 AM
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lawrence Buja [SMTP:southern@cgd.ucar.edu]
> > Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 6:32 PM
> > To: announcements@jag-lovers.org
> > Subject: [ADMIN] Update: jag-lovers archives
> >
> >
> > [Note: followups to this can be made to policy@jag-lovers.org]
> >
> > I wanted to update Jag-lovers on the status of the archive closing.
> >
> > First, thanks for all the notes of support. I really appreciate them.
> > And it's been made quite clear what a valuable resource everyone here
> > considers the archive. If it helps, I feel the same and I want them
> > back online as badly as anyone else.
> >
> > Currently, there is NO legal action pending against Jag-lovers. A few
> > threats, yes, but real action, no. And the current situation appears
to
> > be nearing resolution. There is no need to form a Jag-lovers legal
> > defense fund at this time.
> >
> > So, then, why are the archives still closed?
> >
> > The archives remain closed in response to not one, but three vendors
> > informing me that they felt that vendors were being unfairly maligned
> > via Jag-lovers archives and that they had little opportunity to
respond.
> >
> > So why should this concern us?
> >
> > First, fair is fair. If their complaints are valid, then we do need to
> > address them. Jag-lovers is read by so many Jaguar owners now that
> > anything said here, even off-hand comments, can have a tremendous
impact
> > on the Jaguar support businesses. Second, if business owners don't see
> > Jag-lovers maintaining a level playing field, I have no doubt that one
> > eventually will seek relief via the courts. As this incident has
shown,
> > even the threat of such can cause immense headaches for your admins.
> >
> > One long-time Jaguar vendor wrote me...
> > "...I'd be lying if I said we hadn't kicked around doing the same
[suing
> > Jag-lovers]. The real problem is that anyone can join and say what
> > they will, and we (vendors) really cannot defend ourselves. My reply
> > messages (concerning a complaint) have been chopped to pieces or
never
> > make it to the list at all. People who have been on the list awhile
> > can tell who is OK and who is full of hot air... but when the archive
> > is searchable from the Internet, anyone can find ONE message and form
> > an opinion from it. There are two sides to every story, and they
need
> > to be told for things to be fair."
> >
> > Jag-lovers was designed to be positive and balanced forum, acting as an
> > open repository for the shared experience of the Jaguar enthusiast
> > community, for the benefit of Jaguar owners everywhere. We have no
> > desire to be used as a soap-box by one party with an ax to grind
> > against another.
> >
> > Although the attorneys who have reviewed the specific threat before us
> > have assured us that all court decisions to date are squarely in our
> > favor, the simple fact that business owners here feel that they can't
> > effectively address statements which members have made on Jag-lovers
> > indicates that we have to take a hard look at how we are doing things
> > here.
> >
> > Tomorrow, I will send out a request for Jag-lovers members with
> > experience in either law or publishing to join a Jag-lovers advisory
> > panel. This panel will evaluate the current situation and see what's
> > necessary to ensure that we have established a level playing field for
> > both individuals and vendors alike. They will be tasked with seeing
> > that the appropriate policies go into place and that the proper
> > disclaimers are posted to ensure that Jag-lovers is acting only as an
> > impartial kiosk for information. And this group will make the ultimate
> > decision on how we can get back to serving the Jag-lovers archives
given
> > the parameters of this group.
> >
> > If you've made it this far, I thank you for your time. This isn't fun
> > stuff to have to deal with, but if we can get the appropriate
guidelines
> > in place, we can get back to what we're really here for.
> >
> > Again, any constructive comments should go to policy@jag-lovers.org
> >
> > /\ Lawrence Buja http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/southern
> > \_][ southern@ncar.ucar.edu National Center for Atmospheric
Research
> >
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