OK, OK, I relent. With the choices offered, they are indeed Sprites.
Humbled,
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: type79@ix.netcom.com <type79@ix.netcom.com>
To: spridgets@autox.team.net <spridgets@autox.team.net>; dougi@home.com
<dougi@home.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 6:29 PM
Subject: Bee Ess was Dark Green/Production Change Point
>Doug,
>If they aren't "Sprites" then please either explain what they are or
>select an answer from the following list:
>a) Triumph
>b) Messerschmidt
>c) Buick
>
>Please note that this Saturday at 11:00am we will all kneel and face
>East for a moment of silence to praise Horler. 8-)
>
>Jay Fishbein, CT
>AN-5 NOT
>HAN-6 NOT really
>Innocenti-S Now what the Hell is this?
>
>On 03/10/99 17:25:34 you wrote:
>>
>>Again according to Horler, there were 44 built in 1961, all right hand
>drive
>>CKDs, with the last one on February 16 1959. IMHO these don't count as
>>Sprites (shields up!).
>>
>>Doug
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Larry Miller <millerls@ado13.com>
>>To: Doug Ingram <dougi@home.com>; Wm. Severin Thompson
>><wsthompson@thicko.com>
>>Cc: Spridget List <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>>Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 10:01 AM
>>Subject: Re: Dark Green/Production Change Point
>>
>>
>>>It is my understanding that Doug is correct, but, I also understand
>that 30
>>>or so chassis were made in 61, all of which were turned into
>Innocenti's or
>>>CKD's.
>>>
>>>Larry Miller
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Doug Ingram <dougi@home.com>
>>>To: Wm. Severin Thompson <wsthompson@thicko.com>
>>>Cc: Spridget List <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>>>Date: 10 March, 1999 9:50 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Dark Green/Production Change Point
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thanks for the story about the Bishop. I've often wondered about the
>>>history
>>>>of my car - it's rare for anyone to be able to detail 40 or so years
>in a
>>>>car's life......that makes your car very special.
>>>>
>>>>But, you say it was built 1/1/60, that would be New Year's Day, so
>perhaps
>>>>you made a typo????
>>>>
>>>>As far as my reference to production ceasing in November 1960, that
>is
>>>>straight out of Terry Horler's book, which in the absence of a more
>>>>authoritative work, has to be considered the bible, doesn't it?
>>>>
>>>>Doug Ingram
>>>>Victoria BC
>>>>1958 Frogeye
>>>>AN5L/636
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Wm. Severin Thompson <wsthompson@thicko.com>
>>>>To: Doug Ingram <dougi@home.com>
>>>>Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 6:07 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: Dark Green/Production Change Point
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Doug,
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you sure of that date... Nov. 1960??? I belive "the Bishop's"
>date
>>of
>>>>>birth on my certificate is 1/1/60.
>>>>>
>>>>>See http://www.thicko.com/bishop.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>WST
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Doug Ingram <dougi@home.com>
>>>>>To: Spridget List <spridgets@autox.team.net>
>>>>>Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:35 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Dark Green/Production Change Point
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Semantics indeed. Regardless of the date the car was registered,
>isn't
>>it
>>>>>>appropriate to consider the year of manufacture to be the critical
>>issue?
>>>>>>Car #5477 marked the change to the windscreen (although 3 earlier
>cars
>>>>also
>>>>>>had the changes), and this was in October 1958. Somewhere around
>3500
>>>cars
>>>>>>were built from that point until the end of the year, and I think
>they
>>>too
>>>>>>legitimately should be referred to as 1958 models. Sometime in
>January
>>>>>1959
>>>>>>Leaf Green replaced Dark Green, so there were cars made in 1959
>that
>>were
>>>>>>originally Dark Green.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This also occurs at the other end of production of the Mk 1, which
>ended
>>>>in
>>>>>>November 1960. Every time I hear of someone who says they have a
>1961
>>>>>>Bugeye, I want to shout "There's no such thing!!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I had a car that was registered incorrectly, I would take the
>BMIHT
>>>>>>certificate to the motor licensing office, and insist that the
>error be
>>>>>>corrected. But hey, that's me.......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Doug Ingram
>>>>>>Victoria BC
>>>>>>1958 Frogeye
>>>>>>AN5L/636 - Don't try telling me that my #636 ain't a 58!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: TYPE79@ix.netcom.com <TYPE79@ix.netcom.com>
>>>>>>To: spridgets@autox.team.net <spridgets@autox.team.net>;
>>>>>>bthor@master.adams.com <bthor@master.adams.com>
>>>>>>Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 8:21 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Dark Green/Production Change Point
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brian,
>>>>>>>We may just be debating semantics here. I consider "1959" Sprites
>as
>>>>being
>>>>>>those with the later windshields, in addition to some of the other
>>>post'58
>>>>>>improvements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't own the Dark Green sprite that I referenced. It is owned
>by a
>>>>>>friend who purchased it from the second owner. It is a dead
>original
>>car.
>>>>>It
>>>>>>was always dark green. It has the original interior (take those
>words
>>>>>>literally). It has its original tool kit and factory warranty. It
>is a
>>>low
>>>>>>number car, but I can't find the number quickly tonight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since cars of this period did not have a model year designation
>until
>>>the
>>>>>>time of registration, it is most reasonable that these so-called
>1958
>>>Dark
>>>>>>Green cars were registered as 1959's. But to reference all of these
>Dark
>>>>>>Green cars as 1958's gives the impression that they carried the
>early
>>>>>>windscreen and other oddities peculiar to the early cars which is
>not
>>>>true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Again this may be just a matter of semantics, but I have never
>>>considered
>>>>>>anything but an early windscreen car a "1958".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jay Fishbein, CT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 03/09/99 22:29:51 you wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jay,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>With all due respect, I believe that Herb was correct in stating
>that
>>>>>Dark
>>>>>>>>Green was only available on early AN5's. According to the
>>>Austin-Healey
>>>>>>>>Sprite Service Parts List, Publication Number AKD829, Third
>Edition.
>>>>>Dark
>>>>>>>>Green (GN12) was discontinued at Chassis Number AN5/9926. Leaf
>Green
>>>>>>>>(GN15) was introduced as a replacement colour at Chassis Number
>>>>AN5/9927.
>>>>>>>>According to Terry Horler's book, Original Sprite and Midget,
>Chassis
>>>>>>>>number AN5/9926 was manufactured in January 1959. Consequently,
>this
>>>>>>>>colour was only available during the first 10 months of AN5
>>production.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What is the chassis number of your Dark Green Sprite? Did you
>ever
>>>have
>>>>>>>>British Motor Heritage document the date of manufacture and build
>>>>>>>>specifications of your car? It would be rather interesting to
>uncover
>>>a
>>>>>>>>car finished in Dark Green from the works after the BMC
>"Documented"
>>>>>>change
>>>>>>>>point. Anything is possible!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brian Thornton
>>>>>>>>AN5
>>>>>>>>AN9
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I believe that dark green appeared only on early '58 cars....
>>>>>>>>>>herb
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Herb,
>>>>>>>>>With all due respect, this is false. For some reason, the
>>Puddlejumper
>>>>>>>>>website has chosen to perpetuate this myth despite the fact that
>I
>>>>>>>>>brought this to Les Myer's attention early on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For any doubters in the audience, I invite you to CT to view an
>>>>entirely
>>>>>>>>>original dark green 1959 complete with original rubber floor
>mats,
>>>etc.
>>>>>>>>>etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am still at work and don't have access to my reference
>materials
>>but
>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>will check those later upon my return to the ranch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Let's at least keep the basic facts straight and not rewrite
>history.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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