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Any favorites out there or brands to avoid?
thanks
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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Benjamin Zw=
issler <bjzwissler@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 8:01 AM
To: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Soil stack venting issue
I've had two similar issues. Both solved and one may be helpful to you. B=
TW, my house is all PVC drains, but I'm not sure that matters.
My clothes washer drain shared a pipe with a floor drain and utility tub (s=
ink). The floor drain began gurgling when water drained from the other two=
. I tried flushing it but that didn't help. What did help was using some =
bacteria based drain cleaner. It claims to have helpful bacteria that, amo=
ng other things, eat soap scum. That has worked for many years, except whe=
n I flush a lot of harsh cleaners down the utility sink. I used to do some=
auto part washing in that sink, but don't any longer and I haven't had to =
add more bacterial cleaner for a long time. My thought was the harsh chemi=
cals were killing the bacteria.
The other example was on my HVAC unit's condensate drain. It was nothing b=
ut a gravity drain and after many years it began backing up occasionally an=
d then flooding the whole unit with water. I could disconnect it and blow =
through it and that was enough to clear the clog. Also using that pipe was=
a bathroom and the kitchen sink/dishwasher. I tried lots of things (bleac=
h, detergent, bacterial drain cleaners, etc) thinking mold, moss, grease, e=
tc was blocking it, but in the end I installed an HVAC sump with a pump tha=
t collects a quart or so of water and then pumps it out. That's worked fla=
wlessly for a few years --- until the pump breaks.
Ben
Ben Zwissler
812-343-5533
Columbus, IN
jamesf@groupwbench.org>> wrote:
Maybe some of you have an innovative solution...
My house has a single cast iron soil stack that does both drain and vent. W=
hen I flush the toilet, it sucks air from the tub drain. The toilet and tub=
enter the stack separately, but at the same height, using an oddly specifi=
c T with a 4" toilet and a 2" tub inlet about 45 degrees apart. The tub doe=
s not have its own vent. 2 years ago I had a plumber snake the vent from th=
e roof, he found "stuff", and it was fixed. Last week it started again.
My kitchen sink T's into the stack at knee height, so it's the highest item=
on the stack. My thought is, because it's a straight T, not a sanitary T, =
stuff from the sink is solidifying inside the T when the flow hits the back=
of the T, and eventually forming a cap of "stuff" just above the T entry, =
sealing off any venting. I can't tell if the sink is also being used as the=
toilet's vent because there are too many walls in the way to hear what's h=
appening.
My other thought is that the "stuff" is growing like a mold, and sealing it=
off. Does stuff grow in drains?
Any thoughts on what it might be, and how to prevent it? I rarely put oils =
down the drain, and when I do they are cold and mixed with Dawn to emulsify=
it. There isn't enough canopy for leaves or squirrels to get in the roof v=
ent.
thanks,
jim
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 7, 2020 8:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I've had two similar issues. Both solved and one may=
be helpful to you. BTW, my house is all PVC drains, but I'm not sure=
that matters.
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<div>My clothes washer drain shared a pipe with a floor drain and utility t=
ub (sink). The floor drain began gurgling when water drained from the=
other two. I tried flushing it but that didn't help. What did =
help was using some bacteria based drain cleaner.
It claims to have helpful bacteria that, among other things, eat soap scum=
. That has worked for many years, except when I flush a lot of harsh =
cleaners down the utility sink. I used to do some auto part washing i=
n that sink, but don't any longer and I haven't
had to add more bacterial cleaner for a long time. My thought was th=
e harsh chemicals were killing the bacteria.</div>
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</div>
<div>The other example was on my HVAC unit's condensate drain. It was=
nothing but a gravity drain and after many years it began backing up occas=
ionally and then flooding the whole unit with water. I could disconne=
ct it and blow through it and that was enough
to clear the clog. Also using that pipe was a bathroom and the kitch=
en sink/dishwasher. I tried lots of things (bleach, detergent, bacter=
ial drain cleaners, etc) thinking mold, moss, grease, etc was blocking it, =
but in the end I installed an HVAC sump with
a pump that collects a quart or so of water and then pumps it out. T=
hat's worked flawlessly for a few years --- until the pump breaks.</div>
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<div>Ben</div>
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<div>Ben Zwissler<br>
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com</a><br>
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<div>812-343-5533</div>
Columbus, IN<br>
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Maybe some of you have an innovative solution...<br>
<br>
My house has a single cast iron soil stack that does both drain and vent. W=
hen I flush the toilet, it sucks air from the tub drain. The toilet and tub=
enter the stack separately, but at the same height, using an oddly specifi=
c T with a 4" toilet and a 2" tub
inlet about 45 degrees apart. The tub does not have its own vent. 2 years =
ago I had a plumber snake the vent from the roof, he found "stuff"=
;, and it was fixed. Last week it started again.<br>
<br>
My kitchen sink T's into the stack at knee height, so it's the highest item=
on the stack. My thought is, because it's a straight T, not a sanitary T, =
stuff from the sink is solidifying inside the T when the flow hits the back=
of the T, and eventually forming
a cap of "stuff" just above the T entry, sealing off any venting=
. I can't tell if the sink is also being used as the toilet's vent because =
there are too many walls in the way to hear what's happening.
<br>
<br>
My other thought is that the "stuff" is growing like a mold, and =
sealing it off. Does stuff grow in drains?
<br>
<br>
Any thoughts on what it might be, and how to prevent it? I rarely put oils =
down the drain, and when I do they are cold and mixed with Dawn to emulsify=
it. There isn't enough canopy for leaves or squirrels to get in the roof v=
ent.
<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
jim<br>
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