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Re: [Shop-talk] Standby Generators

To: Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net> FILETIME=[579B05A0:01CF03F2]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Standby Generators
From: Jim <jandkstone99@msn.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 12:29:19 -0500
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Hmmm. A very interesting idea. I'll do a little research and see what I can 
learn. 
Thanks. 

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> On Dec 28, 2013, at 12:00 PM, "Brian Kemp" <bk13@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Jim - Here is another idea.  Rather than heat the house, how about just 
> heating the pipes?  I seem to recall some sort of electrical pipe heater wrap 
> that was controlled by a thermostat, set down at about 45 degrees.  You could 
> then put insulated pipe wrap on top of that.  If the current draw is low 
> enough, you could look at a bank of batteries to power it, like people with 
> solar power off the grid.  The batteries could be on a good charger so they 
> stay maintained.
> 
> I don't know the pricing on this option, but it avoids an engine, generator, 
> and transfer switch.  You may even find a small second hand system from 
> someone that upgraded to a larger size.
> 
> Brian
> 
>> On 12/28/2013 7:31 AM, James Stone wrote:
>> Thanks guys.  I will try to answer all of the questions.
>> 
>> The house is on eastern Long Island.  While that isnt a deep freeze area, it
>> certainly gets cold enough to freeze pipes.  And, with electricity powered by
>> the infamous LIPA, being without power after a big snow storm is a definite
>> possibility.
>> The house is a small cottage: 780 sq feet, two bedrooms, one bathroom.  Full
>> basemen, full attic.  Minimal 1950s insulation in the walls (about 1 
>> thick),
>> better in the attic roof.
>> Draining the house would be pretty easy and that is an option.  However, my
>> daughter lives in Manhattan and does go out for a visit periodically.  She
>> didnt inherit my DIY genes, so turning on and re-draining the system is
>> probably more than shed be able to handle.
>> The house is occupied less than half the winter, so any kind alternative heat
>> source is not going to meet the need.
>> The house has two large propane tanks and the gas company tops them off every
>> month, so the odds are pretty good wed be fine during a power outage.
>> While making the house more comfortable while we are there would be a nice
>> side benefit, my primary interest is in protecting the pipes when we are 
>> 1,000
>> miles away.
>> Finally, the $2000 number came from this:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Generac-5837-CorePower-Air-Cooled-Generator/dp/B003XQWY
>> W0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388243033&sr=8-1&keywords=standby+generator.  I
>> havent done any research at all; that was just a quick and dirty search.
>> And, of course, 2 grand doesnt include installation.  While I suspect I 
>> could
>> handle most, if not all, of the job, I also dont think that would be legal,
>> so it would have to be done professionally.  I am sure the total bill will
>> will be well above the 2 grand mark, especially given New York labor rates.
>> 
>> I suspect this is my only option, but I am open to other options.  As I think
>> about it, it probably doesnt have to be totally automatic.  I could get a
>> transfer switch and convert a standard generator to propane (thanks for the
>> conversion link, John) and then ask a friend to go over to the house to power
>> it up in an emergency. But, I suspect I may as well just go with the small
>> standby unit at that point.
>> 
>> Thanks again.  Let me know if the above sparks any other ideas.
>> 
>> Jim
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