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Re: Welding & WTC

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Subject: Re: Welding & WTC
From: Richard Beels <beels@technologist.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:03:40 -0400
But the 707 could carry a full cross-country load of fuel.  The ESB can't 
really be used as a comparison because the bomber weighed something like 
25,000 pounds (also used gasoline as a fuel).  Modern-day fighter planes 
such as the F-14 or F-15 are larger than WW2 era bombers.

The Empire State Building was designed in the '20's, before modern stress 
analysis and materials.  The ESB is a grossly inefficient building, needing 
to be a wedding cake to get up to its 1300' or so. There comes a point when 
you can't make the bottom broad enough to support the weight of the 
top.  You couldn't bring down the ESB (or similarly constructed building) 
except by mechanically destroying most of a plane (geometrical plane, not 
air plane) through the tower.

Hyman Brown, the Trade Center's construction manager, said the towers were 
destroyed in the only way imaginable. He speculated that flames, fueled by 
thousands of gallons of aviation fuel, melted steel supports, causing the 
collapse. "Prior to 7 o'clock this morning, I would have told you there's 
no way you could bring that building down," Brown said. "What you don't 
plan for is 24,000 gallons of jet fuel. As far as I know, it's never been 
thought of."



At 11:42 9/17/2001,  Eric Murray was inspired to say:

>On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 02:52:37AM -0400, Richard Beels wrote:
> >
> > No, they didn't figure in the fire from the fuel or at least, the plane
> > scenario had the plane going though the building - not exploding within....
> >
>
>I think they figured on a "normal" fire, not one resulting
>from a full cross-country load of fuel.
>
>There was a plane that crashed in to the Empire State building
>in '45 (a bomber of some sort) in the fog.  So the WTC designers
>had some empirical data to work with.
>
>http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.htm
>
>Has a lot of info on the WTC buildings collapse.
>
>John YOung is a NY architect and has a bunch of
>info up on the WTC:
>
>http://cryptome.org/wtc-hazards.htm (asbestos hazards)
>http://cryptome.org/wtc-collapse.htm (collapse)
>
>and other stuff on cryptome.org.


Cheers!

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