Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript]

[Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>]

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Hmmmm=E2=80=A6

2 hours later, the rad temp is down to 94=C2=BA, and the cylinder head =
is at 108=C2=BA, but the gauge is still reading 150=C2=BA.

So it would seem that the range of motion of the gauge has been =
compromised. This is probably not acceptable.

While the only temperature that needs to be indicated with any degree of =
precision is Standard Operating Temperature (180=C2=BA), I feel I need =
to know that the needle is actually capable of moving significantly from =
this position. So I think this guy is coming out.


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Max Heim
'66 MGB

> On Oct 8, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net> wrote:
>=20
> I=E2=80=99m in NorCal. We have a rainy season (usually), lasting from =
November to April. I usually put the hardtop on at the first heavy rain, =
and leave it on through March, depending on the state of drought.
>=20
> Anyway, I just took the car for a short spin to get it warmed up. When =
I judged it was at operating temperature, the needle had stalled at =
about 150=C2=BA. The IR gun read the thermostat housing temp at 180=C2=BA =
(makes sense =E2=80=94 it's a 180=C2=BA thermostat) and the upper =
radiator temp at 177=C2=BA, so I pulled the glass off the gauge and =
reset the needle to 180. I=E2=80=99m guessing that the motor wasn=E2=80=99=
t fully cooled down yesterday afternoon when I set the needle at the =
rest point.
>=20
> I=E2=80=99ll check it in a few hours and see what it has gone down to.
>=20
> Someone suggested the needle had slipped. That seems to match most of =
the observed facts, but it=E2=80=99s hard to see how that might have =
occurred, given that the needle was attached firmly when I went to reset =
it. I am theorizing that when the temperature exceeded the intended =
travel, the coil slipped a gear tooth, which is why I have had to move =
the needle to correct the range of travel. Anyway, this approach seems =
very promising so far.
>=20
> For now, I am leaving the gauge half out of the dash. so I can easily =
remove the bezel.
>=20
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>=20
>> On Oct 8, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com =
>>=20
>> Youse said -  I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all =
year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6=20
>>=20
>> Wait, don't you live in California where it is nice all year round?! =
(Other than fires)  ;-)
>>=20
>> Dan D
>> '76B, '65B
>> Central NJ USA=20
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>>=20
>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net =
>> Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest:
>>=20
>>    "It means that the movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99=
s way out of calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the =
movement carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an =
easy fix at all. You can send it and it will all depend on the extent of =
the damage if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey"
>>=20
>> =E2=80=A6which sounds kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The =
problem is, the car is undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it =
leaves an open passage to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had =
the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of =
nice weather=E2=80=A6 Grr.
>>=20
>> I think I may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one =
repaired, then sell one later.
>>=20
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>>=20
>>> On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net =
>>>=20
>>> How could the capsule get damaged?
>>>=20
>>> I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the =
way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head.
>>>=20
>>> Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was =
reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner =
fender.
>>>=20
>>> I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know =
it responds to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. =
The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure =
out what that would be.
>>>=20
>>> I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the =
gauge. Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the =
overheating episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the =
housing, preventing it from recoiling?
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> --
>>> Max Heim
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H <mgbobh@gmail.com =
>>>>=20
>>>>   Yours has the non-electric temp sender and gauge?=20
>>>>   If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in =
the little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from =
the beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube =
damaged during the R&R.
>>>>   Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan =
of hot water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer.
>>>> Bob
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net =
>>>> I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge =
is malfunctioning.
>>>>=20
>>>> It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was =
reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to =
operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the =
oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun =
had the thermostat housing at around 180.
>>>>=20
>>>> Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> --
>>>> Max Heim
>>>> '66 MGB
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net =
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage =
into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up =
with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by =
7pm.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=
=A6
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D=
 the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound =
up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom =
tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, =
I think). I didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started =
disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just =
suddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body =
to another.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant =
instantly, and the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by =
completely recoring it.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> --
>>>>> Max Heim
>>>>> '66 MGB
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com =
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet =
you were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to =
puncture a metal radiator!=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Dan D
>>>>>> '76B, '65B
>>>>>> Central NJ USA
>>>>>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ =
<http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs =
>>>>>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I =
got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the =
start of the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew =
off the new Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and punctured =
the radiator, so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the San =
Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center.=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a =
bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of =
traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head =
gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the =
plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my =
photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was =
already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had =
purchased it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was =
still in the paint shop.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" =
nylon 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me =
mine was irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had =
skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had =
inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in =
Campbell and found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them =
now I can save the cam.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I =
should be able to have it back together this weekend.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> A few tips based on my experience:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I =
would have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a =
timely manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D =
and off the highway, it took 4 hours to get a tow.=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and =
lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new =
lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA =
purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I =
suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t =
have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen =
reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a =
different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so =
should not be a cause for worry.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Buy British, Buy Best!
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Max Heim
>>>>>> '66 MGB
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class=3D"">Hmmmm=E2=80=A6<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">2 hours later, the rad temp is down to 94=C2=BA, and the =
cylinder head is at 108=C2=BA, but the gauge is still reading =
150=C2=BA.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So =
it would seem that the range of motion of the gauge has been =
compromised. This is probably not acceptable.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">While the only temperature that needs =
to be indicated with any degree of precision is Standard Operating =
Temperature (180=C2=BA), I feel I need to know that the needle is =
actually capable of moving significantly from this position. So I think =
this guy is coming out.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 8, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Max Heim &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; class=3D"">mvheim@sonic.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m in =
NorCal. We have a rainy season (usually), lasting from November to =
April. I usually put the hardtop on at the first heavy rain, and leave =
it on through March, depending on the state of drought.<div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Anyway, I just took the car for a =
short spin to get it warmed up. When I judged it was at operating =
temperature, the needle had stalled at about 150=C2=BA. The IR gun read =
the thermostat housing temp at 180=C2=BA (makes sense =E2=80=94 it's a =
180=C2=BA thermostat) and the upper radiator temp at 177=C2=BA, so I =
pulled the glass off the gauge and reset the needle to 180. I=E2=80=99m =
guessing that the motor wasn=E2=80=99t fully cooled down yesterday =
afternoon when I set the needle at the rest point.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ll check it in =
a few hours and see what it has gone down to.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Someone suggested the needle had =
slipped. That seems to match most of the observed facts, but it=E2=80=99s =
hard to see how that might have occurred, given that the needle was =
attached firmly when I went to reset it. I am theorizing that when the =
temperature exceeded the intended travel, the coil slipped a gear tooth, =
which is why I have had to move the needle to correct the range of =
travel. Anyway, this approach seems very promising so far.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">For now, I am leaving =
the gauge half out of the dash. so I can easily remove the =
bezel.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: =
13px;" class=3D"">--</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; =
min-height: 16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
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<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 8, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Dan DiBiase &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Youse said -&nbsp;

I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 =
kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Wait, don't you live in California =
where it is nice all year round?! (Other than fires)&nbsp; ;-)</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Dan D</div><div =
class=3D"">'76B, '65B</div><div class=3D"">Central NJ USA&nbsp;<br =
clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; =
target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"">Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at =
MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest:<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;"It means that the =
movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99s way out of =
calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the movement =
carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an easy fix at =
all. You can send it and it will all depend on the extent of the damage =
if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey"</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=E2=80=A6which sounds =
kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The problem is, the car is =
undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it leaves an open passage =
to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two =
weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 =
Grr.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I think I =
may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one repaired, =
then sell one later.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" class=3D"">--</div><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px" class=3D"">Max =
Heim</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div>
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<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">mvheim@sonic.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"">How could the =
capsule get damaged?<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=
 unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the way. =
Then I replaced it after replacing the head.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Unfortunately, it never occurred to me =
to see what the gauge was reading while the head was off and the capsule =
was resting on the inner fender.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test =
would demonstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so =
the capillary tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge =
end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I know there is a =
flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have =
unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episode, and =
is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing it =
from recoiling?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">mvheim@sonic.net</a></div><div class=3D""><br =
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<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">mgbobh@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;tex=
t-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp; Yours has the non-electric temp sender =
and gauge?<span =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; If it does, the gauge is moved =
by pressure of expanding ether in the little capsule that is screwed =
into the engine. If it reads 220 from the beginning, my guess is that =
the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged during the =
R&amp;R.</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; Test by removing capsule from =
engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with your =
hand-held thermometer.</div><div class=3D"">Bob</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br =
style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;tex=
t-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;tex=
t-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(=
204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D"">I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature =
gauge is malfunctioning.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what =
it was reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to =
operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the =
oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun =
had the thermostat housing at around 180.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Anyone seen this before? Any =
suggestions?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" =
class=3D"">--</div><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px" class=3D"">Max =
Heim</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, =
Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-new=
line"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D"">Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the =
luggage into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to =
catch up with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red =
Bluff by 7pm.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Not =
the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6</div><=
div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The plastic blade =
didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, =
actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing =
several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade =
being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I =
didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly =
=E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly =
developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to =
another.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">With =
5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the =
radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring =
it.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" =
class=3D"">--</div><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px" class=3D"">Max =
Heim</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" class=3D"">'66 =
MGB</div></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, =
Dan DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
 class=3D"">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897m_-7840722686676637303Apple-interchange-new=
line"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">A bummer that you =
couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were disappointed. =
Good recovery by Moss, though.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Just tells you how fast these things =
spin, for a plastic blade to puncture a metal radiator!&nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Dan D</div><div =
class=3D"">'76B, '65B</div><div class=3D"">Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"m_-1158636474461823897m_-7840722686676637303gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div></div></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 =
at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(=
204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about =
my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in =
time for the start of the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a =
blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and =
punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the =
San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center.&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I made the mistake of =
trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad place to be on the =
shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of traffic doing 75+), =
which resulted in overheating and a blown head gasket. Total mileage to =
failure on this fan was 307 miles.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Subsequent examination of the stub =
revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of the base of =
the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing =
flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and out of =
warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order back in =
2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But regardless, they =
decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new =
aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought =
this was pretty decent of them.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I just picked up my head at the machine =
shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In =
the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at =
British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing =
pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Now I just need to pick =
up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back =
together this weekend.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">A few tips based on my experience:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed =
out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA =
would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported =
myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to =
get a tow.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam =
and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The =
new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss =
USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I =
suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t =
have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen =
reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a =
different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so =
should not be a cause for worry.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Buy British, Buy Best!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div=
 class=3D""><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" =
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form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" =
class=3D"">--</div><div =
style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px" class=3D"">Max =
Heim</div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px" class=3D"">'66 =
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