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Re: [Non-MG] Re: This list being used for solicitations?

To: Kai Radicke <mowogmg@pil.net>
Subject: Re: [Non-MG] Re: This list being used for solicitations?
From: Gregory Kirk <gkirk@empirenet.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:44:23 -0700
I'd emial this to you personally Kai, but my ISP uses AGIS.  Agis has
tried to cut down on excessive junk mailing, but ... the courtsdecided
that junk mailings were not a violation to the junk-mailer's contract
w/AGIS, so AGIS was erquiroed to continues service for 30 days....



Kai Radicke wrote:

> (If you don't care about Junk Email, then you may delete)
>
> >Philippe...
> >
> >I made a similar inquiry of this list about a month ago. I, too,
> thought
> >the list of list users had been hooked by somebody(ies). After a bit
> of
> >discussion, and some more digging on my own, I realized that I had
> used the
> >Use-Net (??) a few months back. It was likely from there that my name
> got
> >snagged.
>
> UseNET is the biggest possibility, the list archives are also another.
>
> >Someone here also suggested several methods of finding some of these
> jerks.
> >I'm using Spam-Hater right now. SH digs through the offending e-mail
> and
> >sends a message of your choice to every site it came through... I
> wrote my
> >own message because the canned ones in the program are pretty
> childish...
>
> I emailed you (Carol) a list of things you could do after you
> mentioned
> that you were getting UCE (Unsolicited Commercial Email).  The easiest
>
> thing for anyone that is getting SPAMed to request that you provider
> filter
> *all* known IP blocks from AGIS.  My provider has decided to filter
> all
> AGIS traffic to the bit bucket.
>
> AGIS is the backbone provider for the largest junk email
> companies...CyberPromo, Quantcum, TheHitMan, etc.
>
> Filtering AGIS and other spammers at the ISP level is the most
> effective
> way.  You can also report spam email to these addresses:
>
> http://spam.abuse.net
> http://www.cauce.org
>
> You can also forward your ISP this information, and you may find it
> useful
> also:
> http://www.patriot.net/users/scoile/isp-redhat/sendmail/antispam
>
> You will also find other anti-spam ideas on these sites.
>
> And if you ISP needs to find the IP Blocks to "deny" he can turn to
> the
> Inet-Access List archives: http://www.scomm.net/inet-access/
>
> Its in there along with 100,000 other messages on the topic of Spam.
>
> >HOWEVER, some of these guys are getting more "creative" and have
> >successfully been able to "fool" Spam Hater...
>
> Yup, I stopped using Spam Hater...it is becoming too unreliable.
>
> >AND most of these messages offer a "remove" option. At least the
> numbers
> >are dwindling.. That's the best I can offer in the way of HOPE for
> any kind
> >of remedy.
>
> I will have you note that you should never reply to the "remove".  I
> did
> this once and within 24 hours I had 10 more emails from the same
> organization.  I was told that the remove is an effective way of
> identifying *active* email addresses, and then they are databased, for
>
> later use.  SaveTrees (part of Cyberpromo) still doesn't "remove" you.
>
> And if anyone cares, last week (after AGIS disconnected them
> temporarily)
> Cyberpromo announced that it was selling its master database of email
> address, you can buy it for $995.
>
> >I don't think the messages are getting snagged from this list. Just
> my
> >thoughts on the subject... And, if anyone wants a copy of the
> program, let
> >me know... I found it at www.tucows.com -- great resource for
> >free/share/try software...
>
> Tucows specializes in Internet software, Jumbo is much larger and
> covers
> all computing areas... www.jumbo.com .
>
> >Carol
>
> I average about 70 junk emails at my other address,
> mowogmg@dynanet.com.
> This is why I switched providers.  Dynanet also happens to be a AGIS
> customer.
>
> <SNIP>
>
> >>Since these are coming from different sources, I have to assume that
>
> >>someone is sell our addresses.
> >>Someone is using this list for commercial purposes.
> >>That is strictly against the rules of this list.
> >>Please stop.
>
> Well if they are making money, I doubt they will stop...and it is
> unlikely
> that a person is selling the addresses.  It may be some little
> software
> program called a spider that looks for email addresses on the
> Internet.
>
> Ok Trevor, I know you'll find something wrong with my message...so add
> your
> stuff too
> ;-)
>
> If anyone wants more information email me at:
>
> kmr@pil.net
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kai Radicke -- mowogmg@pil.net, 1966 MGB @ http://www.pil.net/~mowogmg
>
> Dialogue Internet - Intelligent Internet Solutions (Net Khan)
>
> IRC: irc.voicenet.com, #inet-access (my nick: ActiveX or KMR)




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